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Football at Four: Discussion on Challenge of Extending Eagles DT Jalen Carter's Contract · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: He joins us for today's edition of Football at four.
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  Speaker 2: Mosch, what's going on, brother Mike?
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  Speaker 3: What's going on? My friend? How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Everything's good.
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  Speaker 1: We got the official dates for Eagles training camp.
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  Speaker 2: Are you ready to go back to work?
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  Speaker 1: July the twenty eighth, the Eagles will be back on
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  Speaker 1: the field. So we got a little over a month
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  Speaker 1: to hang out and have some fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we do. I will be ready when it's time.
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  Speaker 4: Although as I check here real quickly, yeah, I'm actually
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  Speaker 4: not going to be in the area for that specific day.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to be Uh, I'm turning fifty this summer, Mike.
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  Speaker 4: My mother was kind enough to throw me a little party,
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  Speaker 4: so I'll be hanging out with her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be right behind you, man.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be fifty in January, so not this calendar year,
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  Speaker 1: but the next calendar year. So I'll be chasing you
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  Speaker 1: along there.
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  Speaker 2: But the Eagles.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll let you know what it's like by January.
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  Speaker 2: The Eagles back to work.
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  Speaker 1: July twenty eighth is when the Eagles will report, and
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  Speaker 1: then obviously you know, we'll have plenty to report on.
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  Speaker 1: We do have some mailbag questions for our summer Eagles
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  Speaker 1: mailbag for Football at four. There are some stuff I
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  Speaker 1: do want to get into.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: There was a I don't know, a report or somebody
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  Speaker 1: suggesting that the Eagles could be in on Max Crosby.
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  Speaker 1: Is that something that you think is a.
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  Speaker 2: A name that makes sense? Vents?
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  Speaker 1: You know, the reporter from Sports Illustrated said the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: and the Niners. Nuclear was the name he used in
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  Speaker 1: on Crosby. H Does that make sense to you at all?
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  Speaker 3: Well, nuclear is a very strong term. I mean, what
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  Speaker 3: does that even mean.
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  Speaker 4: I mean if if I if I were to use
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  Speaker 4: the word nuclear and say the Eagles are nuclear after
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  Speaker 4: a player, I would expect that deal to be done
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  Speaker 4: by the end of the day. That's me personally. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not trying to criticize. I don't even know that. I
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  Speaker 4: think the Hondo was that the themes the person who reported,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm just saying, like, I'm careful with my
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  Speaker 4: phrasing on terms like nuclear.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, the Eagles are always interested.
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  Speaker 4: They were interested in Max Crosby before the Ravens h
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  Speaker 4: tried to trade for him. From what I understand just
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  Speaker 4: talking to some people who are close to the organ
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  Speaker 4: in the NFL or understand the Raiders organization, it's more
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  Speaker 4: likely that Crosby will be with the Raiders this year,
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  Speaker 4: and if they do move off of him, it will
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  Speaker 4: wind up being because of a trade that netted them
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  Speaker 4: something similar to what they were gonna get from the Ravens,
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  Speaker 4: which is two first round picks. So right, that was
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  Speaker 4: what the deal was, two first round picks that the
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  Speaker 4: Ravens were willing to offer.
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  Speaker 1: It twenty twenty seven first round pick in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: six in the draft that just passed and then one
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  Speaker 1: for next year's draft, which obviously that was it was
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  Speaker 1: two first round picks for Max Crosby.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So would the Eagles be willing to offer a
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven twenty twenty seven first round pick?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think though after after they ausation would have
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  Speaker 1: to be the same.
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  Speaker 4: Well, what I'm telling you is, from what I understand,
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  Speaker 4: that's what the Raiders are looking for, so.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, it depends on how motivated the Raiders
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  Speaker 4: really are to move him, but I mean it sure
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  Speaker 4: sounds from what I gather that they're okay with keeping him.
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  Speaker 4: They've they signed a truckload of free agents, they have
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  Speaker 4: a new regime. Nothing says that, you know, with the
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  Speaker 4: Chiefs trying to see where they're at.
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  Speaker 3: They're in a little bit of transition.
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  Speaker 4: With Mahomes coming back from his ACL You know, the
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  Speaker 4: Broncos are still very good.
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  Speaker 3: The Chargers are trying to get over the hump.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, you see, when you have a new regime,
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  Speaker 4: you can be within a year or two pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I'm sure they have a lot of
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  Speaker 3: faith in.
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  Speaker 4: Their new coach, who is just the offensive cordator of
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  Speaker 4: the Seahawks who helped them win that championship in one year.
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  Speaker 4: So my point is, from what I understand, that the
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  Speaker 4: Raiders have not backed down from that kind of an offer.
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  Speaker 4: And so now, if you're the Eagles, are you going
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  Speaker 4: to give them next year's first round pick? And then
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  Speaker 4: you know you got two in twenty twenty eight because
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  Speaker 4: you made a trade with the Patriots. But Mike, we
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  Speaker 4: spent an awful lot of time talking about all the
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  Speaker 4: players the Eagles are gonna have to extend or let
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  Speaker 4: walk over the next year or two. If I'm the Eagles,
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying to keep as many of those high top
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  Speaker 4: one hundred picks as possible because I'm gonna have to
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  Speaker 4: do a lot of retooling in case I lose a
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  Speaker 4: lot of these guys.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know how realistic it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me throw it to you this way.
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  Speaker 1: And it goes to a mailbag question we got here.
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  Speaker 1: This one's from Marcus and Cherry Hill and he says, hey,
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  Speaker 1: jeff and Mike, with the news that the Titans locked
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  Speaker 1: up Jeffrey Simmons three years, one hundred and five million,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred million in guarantees.
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  Speaker 2: How much.
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  Speaker 1: Does this push the Eagles to try to get something
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  Speaker 1: done with Jalen Carter and lock him up to a
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  Speaker 1: long term deal? This this question is a good one
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  Speaker 1: from Marcus. It also breaks off a lot of other questions.
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  Speaker 1: Do the Eagles want to pay him what Jay, what
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons got? Are they looking at that? Why didn't
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  Speaker 1: we set the market or we wanted the market set?
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  Speaker 1: Would they trade Jalen Carter because they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: pay him what Jeffrey Simmons got paid? So instead of
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  Speaker 1: a pick, maybe you put Carter in a deal like that.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot there, good question, Marcus.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, of course, Good job, Marcus, there's obviously. So it
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  Speaker 4: does open up the door for a lot of different opportunities.
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  Speaker 4: The one thing that, like I think sometimes fans, not
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  Speaker 4: just Eagles fans, every fan does is like see something
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  Speaker 4: like that and think, oh my God, Like, now my
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  Speaker 4: player or the player I root for the team I
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  Speaker 4: roofer has to pay even more, like X amount of
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  Speaker 4: dollars more. I mean, Jeffrey Simmons has been the best
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  Speaker 4: defensive tackle in football for a couple of years now,
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  Speaker 4: and he's better than Jalen Carter.
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  Speaker 3: Now, maybe maybe.
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  Speaker 4: Jalen Carter has more upside, maybe he will be a
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  Speaker 4: better player. But if you're if someone's gonna like get
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  Speaker 4: mad at me for saying that Jeffrey Simmons is a
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  Speaker 4: better the player or has proven more than Jalen Carter
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  Speaker 4: in this league, then I think that they're nuts.
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  Speaker 3: To be honest with you.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Jaalen Carter was awesome as a rookie, but
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  Speaker 4: he obviously dealt with a lot of injuries and is
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  Speaker 4: both at Georgia. He had the shoulders, now he's got
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  Speaker 4: the shoulder. He wasn't as much of an impact player
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  Speaker 4: last year as a year before. So there's no law
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  Speaker 4: that says Jialen Carter needs to be paid thirty five
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  Speaker 4: million dollars a year. And if Jed Drew Rosenhouse wants
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  Speaker 4: to ask for it, he can ask for it. And
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  Speaker 4: if he doesn't get it then and he says, well,
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  Speaker 4: then trade my client.
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  Speaker 3: We'll say that's up to Jillen Carter.
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  Speaker 4: But I think the floor for Jalen Carter would now
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  Speaker 4: be thirty five I'm sorry this dealing would be thirty five.
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  Speaker 4: It's more likely thirty one to thirty four range. So
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  Speaker 4: maybe this deal for Simmons, who also is represented by
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  Speaker 4: drero'sen House. By the way, maybe that helps the Eagles
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  Speaker 4: get him at a price that's more reasonable than having
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  Speaker 4: to pay north of thirty five million.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to a David who was in
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  Speaker 1: Ridley Park, Pa. Do we actually need Crosby or is
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  Speaker 1: this just classic Hallie Roseman never being satisfied if they
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  Speaker 1: pull the trigger. What's the realistic type of package that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't involve giving up Jalen Carter. We kind of hit
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  Speaker 1: on that a little bit there, But do you think
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  Speaker 1: you actually I think the first part of his question
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  Speaker 1: is a good one. Do you actually need Crosby?
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  Speaker 3: I mean no, I mean you don't need him.
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  Speaker 4: But just like with the Miles Garrott conversation, right when
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  Speaker 4: you add a guy who's probably gonna be in the
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  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, you are that much better of a
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  Speaker 4: football team and you have fewer questions, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: j had a really nice breakout last year.
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  Speaker 3: I think the world of Jealox Hunt.
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  Speaker 4: But I can't sit here and sign a document right
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  Speaker 4: now that officially states that Jealax Hunt is going to
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  Speaker 4: be a superstar, right, or we're not going to have
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  Speaker 4: any regression or anything like that, and we saw that
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  Speaker 4: two years ago.
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  Speaker 3: It looked like Nolan Smith when they won the Super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl was.
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  Speaker 4: On his way to becoming one heck of a player,
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  Speaker 4: but last year didn't stay healthy, took a step back.
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  Speaker 4: So honestly, your only bonafide sure Pro Bowl edge rusher
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  Speaker 4: right now is Jonathan Godard, and he's coming off with
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  Speaker 4: shoulder surgery.
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  Speaker 3: So I think you'd have much fewer questions.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think, I know you would have fewer questions
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  Speaker 4: if you brought Max Crosby into this edge rush rotation.
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  Speaker 4: You would feel really confident about what you got and
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  Speaker 4: then you figure it out from there.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Brian in Washington Township.
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  Speaker 1: Most with all the changes over the offseason, including adding
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  Speaker 1: some young weapons like mackay Lemon, how do you expect
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  Speaker 1: the offense identity to show during the twenty twenty sixth season.
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  Speaker 1: Is this a more balanced attack or is this staff
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  Speaker 1: gonna double down on the explosive pass heavy scheme that
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  Speaker 1: we have seen to maximize all these wide outs.
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  Speaker 2: Brian, Washington Township, that.
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  Speaker 3: Was a lot of questions.
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  Speaker 4: In one question, I would say that the offensive identity
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  Speaker 4: will be that the Eagles will still want to run
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  Speaker 4: the ball at a like at a higher than league
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  Speaker 4: average rate, but what they would like to do with
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  Speaker 4: their passing game is to be able to work that
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  Speaker 4: off of some under center off the off under center
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  Speaker 4: play action, you know, as opposed to their passing game
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  Speaker 4: in the past, which has been.
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  Speaker 3: Like we run the ball, We run the ball, and
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  Speaker 3: then we.
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  Speaker 4: Get to like second or third long, and then we
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  Speaker 4: drop back and pass. There wasn't a real marriage or
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  Speaker 4: a symmetry between the run game in the past game.
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  Speaker 4: There is an expectation with the Shanahan style offense. McVeigh
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  Speaker 4: stout these West Coast modern nine West Coast offense that
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  Speaker 4: you're trying to do a better job of running, of
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  Speaker 4: marrying your run concepts with your play action concepts, so
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  Speaker 4: things look similarly and they open up things in the
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  Speaker 4: past game for you. All that stuff about like explosives
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  Speaker 4: or you know, the second that remains to be seen.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like the.
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  Speaker 4: Eagles have a ton of explosive passing weapons that we
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  Speaker 4: know of.
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  Speaker 3: We know DeVante Smith can be.
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  Speaker 4: Explosive, but without aj Brown, I mean, Mkay Lemon will
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  Speaker 4: be a slot receiver. I know everybody's like enamored with
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  Speaker 4: what he's looked like on certain video clips in practice,
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  Speaker 4: but we have to see if he is an explosive receiver.
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  Speaker 4: He's not a guy who is known for beating a
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  Speaker 4: defense over the top Dallas Goddard's now what thirty one?
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  Speaker 3: He's still a very productive over the middle receiver.
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  Speaker 4: But is he going to turn around and break contact,
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  Speaker 4: stay healthy and turn eight yard games.
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  Speaker 3: Into twenty yard game? I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Is the running back going to be a featured part
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  Speaker 4: of this pass offense we've wanted it to be. I
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  Speaker 4: can't tell you that that's got to be something that
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  Speaker 4: we see when the regular season starts. So I do
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  Speaker 4: think the Eagles without aj Brown lack a secondary explode
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  Speaker 4: a primary explosive option, but they could do better as
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  Speaker 4: our unit making yards after the catch. I imagine Eli
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  Speaker 4: Stowers has an explosive elopment to his game, but I
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  Speaker 4: don't know how much he's going to be out there
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  Speaker 4: to begin with and how simple it is going to
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  Speaker 4: be for him to translate.
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  Speaker 3: It over to the NFL level.
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  Speaker 4: So I almost think the Eagles will be a little
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  Speaker 4: bit more deliberate and methodical at first on how they
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  Speaker 4: move the ball and we'll see if like a guy
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  Speaker 4: like Dontavian Wicks or Marquise Brown, right, we'll see if
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  Speaker 4: they can bring an explosive element to this pass offense
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  Speaker 4: along with DeVante Smith.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Brian. Let's go to Ray and Millville. How
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  Speaker 1: confident do you think Vic Fangio is in Jehaid Campbell.
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  Speaker 1: It's an interesting question because he really liked Nakobe Dean.
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  Speaker 4: He did, but he also had no problems starting Johad
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  Speaker 4: Campbell for the first eight games of last year as
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  Speaker 4: a rookie. It's not like he started him, but like
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  Speaker 4: nursed him right or pulled him for Jeremiah trying to
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  Speaker 4: He just started him. He was basically playing every ILB
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  Speaker 4: snap until the Kobe Dan came back, right.
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  Speaker 1: But I would I would interject and say when Dean
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  Speaker 1: came back, Campbell essentially had no role.
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  Speaker 4: That is correct, And but I mean the Kobe Dan's
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  Speaker 4: not there anymore, so I would think he goes right
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  Speaker 4: back to Campbell. And as long as Campbell is healthy
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  Speaker 4: in year two and is making strides, then he should
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  Speaker 4: be He should be vixed.
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  Speaker 3: Guy unless he screws up.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, I mean, I think Vick is not
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  Speaker 4: afraid to play young talented athletic players. We saw from
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  Speaker 4: Andre mccoobaugh last year mccooba started, And remember mccoomba had
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  Speaker 4: some screw ups that Tampa Bay game where he let
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  Speaker 4: was it uh Guka beat him over the top because
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  Speaker 4: he kind of messed up on a read. Like he
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  Speaker 4: knows young guys are gonna make mistakes. As long as
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  Speaker 4: they're compensating for him and growing each week, He'll play them.
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  Speaker 2: All right. This from Tom and Marlton.
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Mailatta said that he feels like a rookie again
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  Speaker 1: working under the new offensive line coach. What kind of
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  Speaker 1: transition do you think this will be for the line
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  Speaker 1: that have only played for one coach?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it'll be in some cases difficult, in
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  Speaker 4: other cases potentially easier or more alleviating. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: think that I even had to talk with Jordan my
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  Speaker 4: Lot about this, so it's interesting he brought it.
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  Speaker 3: Up after the season. I asked him if he felt
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  Speaker 3: like the way the Eagles played football with.
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  Speaker 4: The tush push being such a prevalent part of their
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  Speaker 4: third and fourth and short and the inside zone running
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  Speaker 4: up the gut. I asked him if he thought that
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  Speaker 4: that was one of the reasons why the line really
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  Speaker 4: wore down over time and had all these injuries last year,
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  Speaker 4: And he said, you know, I expect him to say no, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: but he acknowledged that that, yes, that the physical style,
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  Speaker 4: the punishing style that they've played with for so long,
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  Speaker 4: may may have He wasn't sure, but contribut to guys
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  Speaker 4: getting hurt and guys wearing down. Plus teams were doing
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  Speaker 4: things differently defensively. They were slanting and you know, going
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  Speaker 4: across their face more to get into the backfield.
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  Speaker 3: So now you bring in a different.
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  Speaker 4: Zone blocking scheme where you're not always blocking hat on
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  Speaker 4: hat per se. You're moving horizontally, which is good if
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  Speaker 4: you have good athletes, which the Eagles do on the line.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that might help preserve them a little bit
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  Speaker 4: and take advantage of their athleticism as a whole instead
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  Speaker 4: of just the center kicking out on inside zone. It
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  Speaker 4: might take advantage of their athleticism as a whole moving
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  Speaker 4: sideways a little more, and maywear the defense down a
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  Speaker 4: little bit more because they're moving side to side.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Christian Ocean City, Sorry, do you think the
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  Speaker 1: edge rotation behind Grenard is elite enough to execute Fangio's
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  Speaker 1: vision here or to rethin in the secondary.
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the beginning of the question, which I didn't be
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  Speaker 1: able to couldn't fit cause they don't get so many
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  Speaker 1: characters on the screen. He say, which position group has
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  Speaker 1: you more concerned? The edge rushers or the secondary?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I've got no concerns about the secondary. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I think I think the secondary might be the best
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  Speaker 4: in the NFL. And if that's the case, if they
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  Speaker 4: turn out to be, then they're gonna help that edge up.
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  Speaker 1: He mentioned, by the way, Sorry, he does say, are
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  Speaker 1: they thin if there's an injury to the secondary?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, give me a secondary that's not you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: well I would. I would argue though that in Jonathan
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  Speaker 4: Jones of about fifteen year veteran, thirteen year veteran, a
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  Speaker 4: guy who's played a lot of football. They have a
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  Speaker 4: veteran outside corner who can come in and play and
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  Speaker 4: has experience more so than they've ever had. They usually,
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  Speaker 4: you know, whether it was Job or whether it was
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  Speaker 4: Eli Rix or whether it's Killy Ringo. I mean, they
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  Speaker 4: had guys who were first off the bench, who were
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  Speaker 4: young guys who didn't have a lot of NFL experience,
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  Speaker 4: So I actually think they have more at the corner
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  Speaker 4: than they've had in the pass and same thing.
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  Speaker 3: At safety with Epps and with Michael Carter.
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  Speaker 4: The second you know they got with the gene who's
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: gonna play safety and base downs? They got three guys
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  Speaker 4: there alongside mccooba who played a lot of NFL games.
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  Speaker 4: So I do think the depth is better in the
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  Speaker 4: second era.
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  Speaker 1: All right, this one's from Kevin and del Ran yo Bosh.
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  Speaker 1: Does a guy like Bernard have a shot at making
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  Speaker 1: the roster as a developmental depth piece? Kevin in del Rand?
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Who are Bernard?
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Yo? keV?
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  Speaker 4: I was actually near del Ran a lot this weekend
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  Speaker 4: in rank Kocus Woods watching.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know where that is, yeh, it's in
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: that you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, like Mount Laurel, Mount Holly, Willingborough area.
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  Speaker 3: You know, does a guy like Bernard have a shot
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  Speaker 3: at making the roster?
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: Well, I think they're using the exemption on him if
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, right, I have to find out if
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: that means, if that carries through, like if he makes
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: the fifty three or they still allowed to use the
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: exemption on him to get like a fifty fourth. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, but I mean they'd use the seventh drop
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  Speaker 4: pick on him. So they plan that, and they know
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  Speaker 4: he's gonna have years of development, So it wouldn't shock
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  Speaker 4: me if you wound up on the fifty three, especially
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  Speaker 4: if they're allowed to use that exemption.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to sorry here. This one is
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: from Tim. He didn't leave a town. Come on, Tim,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: we tell you gotta leave your town. Who do you
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: view as the single biggest threat in the NFC East
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: and any specific division matchup that could give you a
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: headache this year.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Oh, this is a great question for inside the Birds
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: fans because we are about to start our NFC East.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: We do this every summer, we do an NFC East
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: previous series, but we bring Greg Cosel on not to
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: just say like this is good, this is beat. We
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: really get into the nuts and bolts of scheme and
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: coaching philosophy. And there's a lot of new There's new
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: coordinators almost on every single team, right Dallas got a
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: new DC, Eagles have a new OC, Washington has a
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: new OC n DC.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: The Giants have a new oc DC head coach.
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  Speaker 4: So it's gonna be a really awesome series, and we're
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: going to get into the nitty gritty. I I just
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: think overall, the division is better, there's more talent. I
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  Speaker 4: think you saw last year the Giants started to take
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: a little step forward. They beat the Eagles in the game.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Dallas probably should have beat the Eagles twice if we're
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: being honest about the season opener. Ceedee Lamb dropped the
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: pass that if he catches it, you know Dallas could
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: win that game, so or at least tie in it.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there, so.
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  Speaker 2: In the half, right right?
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: So uh and then the Commanders, Uh, well, we won't
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: count the resting starters game.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: They did beat the Eagles, that doesn't count.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: I think they've got work to do, but I expect
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: them to be there last year. So but right now,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: I think the Cowboys with Christian Parker, with the additions
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: they've made on defense, Jalen Thompson's a good safety, Quinn
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Williams from last year, upgraded the linebacker a little bit,
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: and with the offense they had was already prolific. I
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: think that they're a pretty good threat to the Eagles.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: And then we'll see about the Giants. I think it
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: could be some sneaky. Their defense, the personnel mic is
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: very good.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I agree on the Giant thing. Could be the question
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: too about giving you a headache. The Giants can give
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you a headache. They can be a pain in your ass.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: John Harbaugh team can always be an ache for anybody
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: because they're always They're always.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Well coached, they're always disciplined.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I ran something that the Giants had the lead in
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter in eight games last year and lost
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: all eight games.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why they've all got fired.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I think after the Bears.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Did it right, they came back from eighteen points to
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: win the game. After like, what team is that? The
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Broncos have done it like against them three earlier?
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Phil and Brigantine, one of our great listeners,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: says Mike Jeff, what health concerns are there related to Crosby?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Shouldn't the compensation be less since the Ravens backpedaled off
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: of that deal based on those concerns. That goes back
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I guess to our earlier conversation because he just texted
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that in on the text board here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I just think that that just all comes
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: down to do the Raiders think he's damaged goods, and
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: if they did, then they would probably trade him for
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: something lower. But from what I understand, they are fine
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: with him playing because they they are trying to build
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: up and they need it.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: They love the guy. I mean the guy.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, great player, fits the community all that I mean.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: So unless they get a haul, then they're good with
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: hanging on to him.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: So it's not like it doesn't feel like an A. J.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Brown situation for them where it's untenable for him to
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: return to the locker room.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: He's fine with being with the Raiders as far as
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I understand.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: So we'll say unless unless there's a We got a
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: couple of weeks here before they started training camp less
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: some things turn I don't. I don't see any like
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you're getting Max Crosby for like
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: a fourth round pick discount.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, this one is from Mike in the ninety seven
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: to three studio.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Uh if the Eagles, do you.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Think the Eagles won you from ninety seven?
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Trying to fly that one by me?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I've go here. Do we
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: think the Eagles want to attach themselves? Long turned to
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Jalen Carter.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Want to sure.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Are they worried?
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Well, I yes, from what I.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Understand that, you know, and this is from talking to
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: some other teams who are trying to figure out what
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: the Eagles are doing with jilln Carter. From when I
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: just talking to them, they feel like maybe there's some
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: reluctance to want to extend him long term at a
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: huge amount of money, you know what I'm saying, Like,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: it's not just about the years, about the money and
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: the years and what's going to happen, Like when they
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: saw that. I'm not hearing that they're completely against it
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: or anything. They just have some concerns about exactly what
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: they want to do going forward there.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Like when they saw that deal today, like.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Crap, No, I mean again, I think like.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: I think that if Jeffrey Simmons is setting the floor
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: at thirty five million, then you don't have to pay
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Jill and Carter thirty five million because he hasn't proven
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: to be Jeffrey Simmons yet, so in a sense.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: So you think he gets less than Simmons, even though
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: he's younger.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, how old Jiffry, He's just like Jeffrey Simmons
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: is thirty three, right, Simmons.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Could be twenty eight years old.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I mean, this is not an old guy
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: by any stretcher. You're still getting next three or four
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: years of him being really good. So see Lawrence.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Text to Lawrence was at thirty two million, right, and
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I think, by.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: The way, twenty five so three extra.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Years, right, And Jalen and Chris Jones was somewhere north
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: of thirty million, So you knew it was going to
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: be north of thirty million. You just didn't want Simmons
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: to sign for like forty million. And then like, now
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: I gotta give Jalen Carter like thirty eight or something.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: So I just I think it made it more obvious
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: what Carter's tag is, something in that thirty to thirty
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: three range.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I just you know, I wonder if I'm Jalen Carter,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I'm the younger guy, I say, hey, I want more years.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: He got three years. I want five years at that average?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: And how much you know, do you feel comfortable knowing
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: that you've got to pay the other guys still too?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Well, that's that's the point I was about to make
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: with you.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Mike.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Let's say you're I mean, you're the Eagles, and you're
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: already paying Jalen Carter twenty six million a year, right,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: you have a player like Moro Jomo who's up on
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: the end of his deal this year, and he's proven
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: to be pretty good, you know. I mean six and
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: a half sacks I think last six acts last year
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: for a DT that's pretty good. He almost had numbers
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: very identical to Milton Williams this third year.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: So you'd have to be happy with that.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: And then you've got a couple of guys in the
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: pipeline Ty Robinson, plus guys that you have to pay
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: going forward, which is Jelex Haunt and Cooper to gen
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: QUINNYA Mitchell.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: So you know, it's not just about.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Jillen Carter maybe having a down year last year or
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: having some off field concerns that he came with.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: It might just be about resource allocation.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, they'd love to have a homegrown guy who
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: they drafted in top ten be with them for a
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: long time.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: But if it meant that they lose two guys because of.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: It, or a guy that they like like Moro Joemo
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: has to go when they could keep him at a
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: lower rate and pay some of all that stuff. Factors
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: into it, and so I'm sure they would like to
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: try to find a deal that works best for them
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: and Joe and Carter to keep them but also allows
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: them some financial ability to keep the entire defense intact.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll continue our summer mailbag questions with Jeff.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: He is jumping in for Adam tomorrow on the show.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: So we have a ton more here that we will
• 24:40
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• 24:43
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• 24:46
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• 24:50
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• 24:53
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• 24:55
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• 25:00
  Speaker 1: is Monday's mail bag for you.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: All right, Thank you Mike from ninety seven three Studio
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: for that wonderful question and all the great listeners as well.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Hey, I tried, I tried, all right, man, Thanks, you
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: got it. There's Jeff Boucher everybody from the Inside the
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