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Breaking News - The Horrific Video · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: Before getting into this episode, we do want to give
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Speaker 1: a warning that we'll be discussing matters of domestic violence.
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Speaker 2: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 2: with iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 3: Everyone.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to a breaking news episode of the Almost Famous Podcast.
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Speaker 1: We're here to talk about something very serious and very awful.
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Speaker 1: There was a video that was released today about an
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Speaker 1: hour ago to TMZ from somebody in I'm assuming Dakota's
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Speaker 1: camp that shows the video of the twenty twenty three
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Speaker 1: attack on him by Taylor. So this is not the
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Speaker 1: one that has been making current headlines, but and this
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Speaker 1: has been you know, she's been arrested for the incident
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Speaker 1: that is now online. We've never seen in the video before,
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Speaker 1: and it's bad.
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Speaker 3: A couple of questions, just for clarity's sake, One is
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Speaker 3: is it why was he was he filming it? Do
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Speaker 3: you think because this had happened in.
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Speaker 1: The past or lots of people say lots of people
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Speaker 1: are advised when in an abusive relationship to film moments
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Speaker 1: like that so that they have the evidence that the
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Speaker 1: police will need. Girls sometimes don't videotape it, but then
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Speaker 1: they'll like send text or like they'll do voice recordings
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Speaker 1: and date them and all of that. So this is
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Speaker 1: not weird behavior for somebody who is being abused.
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Speaker 3: And the second question I've had is who released it?
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Speaker 4: And then why do we think now.
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Speaker 1: That is the interesting? That is, Yeah, that's that's interesting.
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Speaker 1: So Dakota will really stop at nothing. Somebody said, this
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Speaker 1: is a video that he released to TMZ. It's terrible.
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Speaker 1: It's not saying nobody's saying that it isn't. But this
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Speaker 1: video is from two thousand and three and he decided
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Speaker 1: to just release it right now before Bachelorette season aired.
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Speaker 1: Some people are saying that it was him directly because
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Speaker 1: because now his like meal ticket is gone. Like, some
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Speaker 1: people are arguing that this is I don't think the
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Speaker 1: meal ticket is him being on Secret Lives. But now
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Speaker 1: with like all of this, all these headlines, people are
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Speaker 1: speculating that she will not be on Secret Lives anymore,
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Speaker 1: and now he's just kind of over it. People. We
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Speaker 1: do not actually know who released the video, but people
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Speaker 1: are obviously expecting that it's somebody that is close to
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Speaker 1: to Dakota, as this person would need to obviously get
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Speaker 1: video footage from his phone or footage that he sent
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Speaker 1: to a friend.
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Speaker 4: I'm going to read through.
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Speaker 3: We do have a comment from a couple of people
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Speaker 3: from Bachelor Nation on the video. Blake Hortzman comments underneath
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Speaker 3: the video. His comment reads, this is insane. He says,
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Speaker 3: underneath the TMC video. Let's dive in a little bit
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Speaker 3: to what the video is. It's a triggering video. It's
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Speaker 3: not easy to watch. We see the beginning of it's
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Speaker 3: kind of hard to follow, but as the video progresses
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Speaker 3: we do see.
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Speaker 4: I think one of.
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Speaker 3: The most horrifying moments is there's chairs being thrown and yeah,
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Speaker 3: there's a daughter in the room with them. I can't
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Speaker 3: tell from the video if the daughter is struck by
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Speaker 3: the chair not but the chair does fly across the room,
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Speaker 3: the daughter is in there. You do hear the daughter crying.
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Speaker 3: It's how the video ends. This isn't a very long video,
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Speaker 3: So the backstory of what led to this I'm not
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Speaker 3: familiar with. Maybe you do know, Ashley.
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Speaker 1: The backstory is that he does call the police and
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Speaker 1: she is arrested after this video.
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Speaker 3: But what led to this argument, like, why did he
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Speaker 3: decide to pull out his phone?
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Speaker 1: Nobody knows he's assuming recording this, as he's probably had
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Speaker 1: instances lead like this leading up to this moment, which
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Speaker 1: is why he pulled his phone out to record, and
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Speaker 1: or he thinks that if he shows what she's like
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Speaker 1: in a moment like this, that she'll stop, because maybe
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Speaker 1: she like blacks out these moments. We also know that
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Speaker 1: she doesn't drink anymore, and she said that she stopped
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Speaker 1: drinking after a moment. It's unclear whether it's the moment
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Speaker 1: that led to her arrests. I'm not sure about that.
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Speaker 1: She may have spoken about that before, but this is
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Speaker 1: around the time that she stopped drinking.
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Speaker 4: You know this whole thing.
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Speaker 3: Actually, if I can just speak, the video was released,
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Speaker 3: so now we have footage of not the most recent
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Speaker 3: incident that caused the cameras at secret lives of Mormon
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Speaker 3: wives to shut down, that this was the original incident
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Speaker 3: that has been known to everyone for a long time.
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Speaker 3: I don't this is the first time we're seeing the video,
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Speaker 3: but we now see why the arrest was made in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. So I want to just speak. I
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Speaker 3: guess on how I'm processing this. I don't know how
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Speaker 3: else to talk about it. I'm still standing firm in
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Speaker 3: this hope that Taylor gets help. She needs help, nobody
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Speaker 3: behaves this way without getting care and getting clarity and
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Speaker 3: getting rest and getting some type of professional help beyond
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Speaker 3: sometimes even talk therapy beyond that. So, because this is disturbing,
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Speaker 3: there's nothing about this video that's not hard to watch.
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Speaker 3: It's hard for a grown man to watch, it's hard
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Speaker 3: for a grown woman to watch. It's hard for anybody
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Speaker 3: to watch this video because it is it feels. It's scary.
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Speaker 3: When chairs are being thrown across the room at another human,
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Speaker 3: it is scary. But how I'm processing this is this
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Speaker 3: domestic violence is a major issue. I don't understand how
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Speaker 3: at some level and this has become excusable or something
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Speaker 3: we can look past it.
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Speaker 4: Again.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that Taylor needs to define herself by
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Speaker 3: this moment. It was a bad moment. It might have
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Speaker 3: been multiple bad moments, we don't know. It doesn't mean
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Speaker 3: that that has to define the rest of her life.
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Speaker 3: I don't want that for anybody. I don't want your
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Speaker 3: worst moments to ever define you. But what it also
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Speaker 3: means with her being cast as the lead of the
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Speaker 3: show is it's almost like we're we've moved on past it,
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Speaker 3: And I think that was our hope as we broke down.
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Speaker 3: Frankie Fridays was, Hey, we know we cannot ignore this
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Speaker 3: thing that happened in twenty twenty three. We know it's
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Speaker 3: a big deal, but yet her and Dakotas still seemed
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Speaker 3: to hang out. Obviously, now we know that they slept
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Speaker 3: together the night before the bachelorette. So whatever happened between
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Speaker 3: the two of them that caused this arrest has you know,
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Speaker 3: the parties involved have must come to some like forgiveness
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Speaker 3: and there must have been some progress forward. That was
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Speaker 3: kind of from a fan's perspective. I guess how we're
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Speaker 3: reading into it, but we can't ignore that this has happened.
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Speaker 3: But I think I was under the assumption, maybe that
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Speaker 3: she was cast as the lead because this was a
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Speaker 3: part of her life that everybody felt strongly was far gone.
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Speaker 4: Right, she quit drinking. That's a huge step. Right.
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Speaker 3: Drinking is oftentimes a drug that leads to behavior that
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Speaker 3: we don't, we're not proud of, or that will regret.
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Speaker 3: So she quit drinking. She took that step. She did
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Speaker 3: go get the help she talks about in episode one.
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Speaker 3: She got some help. She spoke about it publicly. So
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Speaker 3: the only knowledge we had was, hey, everybody's aware of this.
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Speaker 3: Things have been all parties involved have moved on, and
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Speaker 3: they've moved on together, and now she's in a new
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Speaker 3: chapter of life.
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Speaker 4: But then this incident happens, and we still don't.
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Speaker 3: Have the clarity on what this incident was that shut
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Speaker 3: down the filming of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. But
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Speaker 3: my question is, like, how could they have cast this? No, Like,
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Speaker 3: maybe they didn't. I don't want to be an excuse maker,
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Speaker 3: but maybe they didn't know that this was still something
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Speaker 3: that she would be susceptible to, that this would be
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Speaker 3: her reaction to something that was frustrating. But it feels
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Speaker 3: like we're almost excusing domestic violence. And that is just
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Speaker 3: I almost feel like weird saying I don't know why
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Speaker 3: I feel weird saying it's like, it's not okay, how
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Speaker 3: are we excusing this?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's such a weird situation because obviously a lot
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Speaker 5: of like really hardcore supporters of Taylor might say, you
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Speaker 5: guys knew that happened in twenty twenty three and that
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Speaker 5: she has forgiven you know, she has been forgiven in
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Speaker 5: some ways by Dakota to the point where they obviously
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Speaker 5: continue their relationship that she has learned and changed her
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Speaker 5: lifestyle and all that, and they're gonna say, well, you
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Speaker 5: knew that.
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Speaker 1: Going into the casting. And then they're going to say,
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Speaker 1: and this video is from twenty twenty three, like, can't
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Speaker 1: hold this against her now that you're seeing it differently
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Speaker 1: than you would have just knowing that she had been
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Speaker 1: arrested for it. The fact of the matter is you
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Speaker 1: can't change how people react to things, and we're going
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Speaker 1: to react more strongly when we actually see the video,
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Speaker 1: So the seeing it does change things. And when you
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Speaker 1: pair it with the fact that this has been three
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Speaker 1: weeks of something happening over there where it's been shut
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Speaker 1: down because the girls feel so seriously about whatever recently happened,
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Speaker 1: it's just it's the combination.
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Speaker 3: I'm also, you know, as we do this dive, deep
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Speaker 3: dive into everybody's reactions and what's happening, you know, without
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Speaker 3: knowing any really details around what happened that caused the
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Speaker 3: cameras to shut down, a lot of Taylor's biggest supporters
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Speaker 3: are saying, and I think Taylor's even kind of like
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Speaker 3: hinted at it that Dakota is like trying to sabotage
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Speaker 3: her where is that coming from? Without watching the show,
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Speaker 3: I don't know who he is or his personality, but
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Speaker 3: where is it coming from that they feel like he
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Speaker 3: is out to sabotage her?
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Speaker 1: I don't know that that's Again I haven't watched season
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Speaker 1: four yet, but I wouldn't say there's anything that we've
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Speaker 1: seen that they've just been volatile, Like their whole relationship
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Speaker 1: has been volatile. So I think people are just like,
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Speaker 1: but he.
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Speaker 3: Keeps coming back to her, and she keeps coming back
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Speaker 3: to him.
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Speaker 1: What's happening is just like the ultimate toxic relationship. And
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Speaker 1: I think that because we all know it is a
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Speaker 1: toxic relationship and it's unfolded in front of people's eyes
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Speaker 1: for like the past two years. Now, I think they
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Speaker 1: just think, oh, this is his next move because he
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Speaker 1: hates that she's about to be the bachelorette, or perhaps
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Speaker 1: he hates the fact that she was engaged, because maybe
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Speaker 1: she was engaged, and so now he's just trying to
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Speaker 1: sabotage this opportunity for her. I think that for Secret
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Speaker 1: Lives to be shut down for three weeks means that
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Speaker 1: there is evidence that he's not lying about what happened
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Speaker 1: three weeks ago. And that the other girls are supporting him.
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Speaker 4: Are they supporting him?
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Speaker 1: That's just what I'm feeling, Okay, that they are because
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Speaker 1: they are kind of on strike right now, and I
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Speaker 1: don't think that they would be on strike if they
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Speaker 1: didn't have some sort of proof.
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: What.
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Speaker 3: Hannah comes in and says, they're not supporting him.
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Speaker 1: They're not supporting him.
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Speaker 6: Hi, guys, I'm gonna jump in real fast, be on
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Speaker 6: another zoom and I'm actually in the car. They they
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Speaker 6: are fully supporting Taylor to get the help she needs. Yea, they,
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Speaker 6: but they at this whole season of season four that
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Speaker 6: I've like, I'm almost done with it. They want Dakoda
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Speaker 6: off the show because of how he react, because how
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Speaker 6: he sets Taylor off. Essentially, they do think he sabotages
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Speaker 6: them or sabotages Taylor anytimes she has something good coming
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Speaker 6: up or she's ready to move on. He then essentially
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Speaker 6: like will love bomb her and tell her he loves
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Speaker 6: her and he wants to marry her and everything's in
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Speaker 6: the past and that he and like so he does
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Speaker 6: kind of like mess with her head in this like
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Speaker 6: sight toxic cycle that they have, and the girls do
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Speaker 6: see that so they have been very supportive of trying
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Speaker 6: to get Dakota off the show.
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Speaker 3: Interesting, so do we see the sabotaging behavior during Secret
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Speaker 3: Lives It is.
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Speaker 6: I would say it's a manipulative tactic and it's not
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Speaker 6: soon were obvious. But there's like a scene where all
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Speaker 6: the girls go to La for to support Whitney and
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Speaker 6: jen on Dancing with the Stars and dad Talk comes.
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Speaker 6: Essentially all the husbands come, but some of the women
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Speaker 6: say they only come because of the women who have
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Speaker 6: like young babies to take care of. And then Dakota
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Speaker 6: shows up when like Taylor was like kind of trying
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Speaker 6: to like meet a guy and have him over and
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Speaker 6: Dakota just kind of like crashed it, which led to
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Speaker 6: like a pretty massive toxic fight, and then I mean
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Speaker 6: it's bad because then Taylor slept with him, and so
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Speaker 6: it's just like a really vicious toxic cycle. But I
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Speaker 6: would say Dakota is not innocent as far as like
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Speaker 6: emotional abuse and kind of initiating this cycle.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I was just referring to them the past
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Speaker 1: three weeks they feel like but I guess that's a
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Speaker 1: different situation. They like just don't want her, but don't
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Speaker 1: They like also not want her to get away with it.
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Speaker 6: I think they just want her to get the help
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Speaker 6: that she needs, like that you'll see in this season
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Speaker 6: season four, they constantly are talking to her about their
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Speaker 6: trying to support her in a way that's like, you
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Speaker 6: have this incredible opportunity for the bachelorette, don't ruin it.
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Speaker 6: So they really try to kind of support her and
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Speaker 6: trying to get him away. But they realize like anytime
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Speaker 6: he comes around, it's just like and essentially they the
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Speaker 6: reason they also think he's sabotages is because it comes
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Speaker 6: out that he sleeps with a couple of Taylor's close
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Speaker 6: friends and then before the girls have the app and
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Speaker 6: then he tells her, so it was like she's four
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Speaker 6: days away from leaving for the bachelorette and that's when
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Speaker 6: he decided to like drop the bomb on her that
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Speaker 6: he slept with some of her friends and it just
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Speaker 6: like sends her into a spiral. So that's where like
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Speaker 6: the sabotaging comes from.
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Hannah having It's nice to have somebody
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Speaker 1: who's seen season four on here. I also have a question,
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Speaker 1: do you think that the guy do you think that
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Speaker 1: this is him that released the video. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: kind of kind of has to be right, It's got
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Speaker 1: to be someone or someone very close.
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Speaker 3: To him, I do.
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Speaker 6: I mean, yes, I agree with you. It has to
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Speaker 6: be either him or someone super close there is I mean,
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Speaker 6: it's obviously his video. It's he's holding the camera, it's
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Speaker 6: his point of view.
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Speaker 2: The time.
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Speaker 6: And I do agree with some people that the timing
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Speaker 6: of all of this is very suspicious of this like
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Speaker 6: coming out right now. But regardless of that, this, this
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Speaker 6: video is horrific and it's it's not okay. But I
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Speaker 6: mean it's it's got to be him or somebody close
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Speaker 6: to him. I don't know how else they would get
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Speaker 6: this video.
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Speaker 3: I think Hannah just summed it up perfectly. This video
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Speaker 3: is horrific. It is it's not okay, and fans of
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Speaker 3: Taylor are not. Like we were sitting here and I
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Speaker 3: guess we still are going Taylor, like, we've learned a
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Speaker 3: lot about you, you know, over the last few months,
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Speaker 3: and it's now this like plea I guess as a
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Speaker 3: fan of hers, to say, please go get help, take
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Speaker 3: a break. You've communicated on social media how tired you
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Speaker 3: are and how strung out you are, and how overwhelming
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Speaker 3: this has been. You need to put your foot down
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Speaker 3: and say it's too much for me right now, I
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Speaker 3: need to take a break this video, no matter when
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Speaker 3: it happened and when it was released, I think the
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Speaker 3: timing is suspect. I don't know who it came from
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Speaker 3: and why it came out now. I don't know that,
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Speaker 3: And that's a whole different conversation about, you know, trying
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Speaker 3: to cause chaos in the midst of something good in
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Speaker 3: somebody else's life, but we don't know the details of that.
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Speaker 4: But watching this video is not okay.
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Speaker 3: Like when I watch this video, the contents of this
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Speaker 3: video is not okay.
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Speaker 4: It's not good.
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Speaker 3: Here's my question through it all. And again, I'm somewhat
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Speaker 3: naive to all this, so I know I'm speaking from
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Speaker 3: a place of opinions and at sometimes even a lack
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Speaker 3: of understanding of what all's happening here. I get that,
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Speaker 3: But I know enough from breaking down everything and researching
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Speaker 3: the Bachelorette and seeing the lead up to the show,
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Speaker 3: is this and this isn't a not I don't want
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Speaker 3: anybody to hear this and think this is a knock
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Speaker 3: on Taylor or Dakota I don't know these people personally
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Speaker 3: by it, I don't know them at all. But when
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Speaker 3: if it was obvious the show and the powers of
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Speaker 3: be and the fans knew that something bad happened in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, to what extent we just found out today?
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Speaker 3: What that you know video showed? Why are we platforming
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Speaker 3: this couple? Like, let's get all away from the Bachelorette
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Speaker 3: for a second. We have a Secret Lives and Mormon
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Speaker 3: Wife show that came out, Like, why is this what
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Speaker 3: we're representing through a through Disney, a family television, like
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Speaker 3: a network created to inspire and imagine for the for
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Speaker 3: kids and adults everywhere. Why is this what we're platforming now?
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Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense to me.
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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 4: Am I wrong? Do you disagree?
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Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, no not. I completely agree. This
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Speaker 1: is like horrendous. I think it's I think that video
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Speaker 1: with the child involved in the way that those stools
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Speaker 1: just flew at him, three of them, It's awful. I
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Speaker 1: just had to I guess, like, I'm just trying to
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Speaker 1: think from the perspective of being in their shoes right now.
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Speaker 1: I think that there must have been something that happened
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Speaker 1: in February to make Dakota take the actions that she's
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Speaker 1: making now. Are those close to him, I.
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Speaker 4: Don't agree with that.
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Speaker 3: You don't no base on what we're hearing from her
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Speaker 3: friends and from her is I wonder if he would
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Speaker 3: have found a way to do this no matter what
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Speaker 3: he was loved. You know, the rumor is he loves
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Speaker 3: bombs her right right before a bigger moment.
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Speaker 1: And especially if he was engaged and happy in a relationship.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe this would have like, maybe he would
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Speaker 3: have found a different way. It doesn't make his behavior
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Speaker 3: any better. We don't know though, that he even released
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Speaker 3: a vide Like, we don't know any of that, so
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Speaker 3: we're just speaking on speculation there.
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Speaker 4: The video is bad.
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Speaker 1: I just like, I can't step away from this fact.
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Speaker 1: And I think the video is so bad. And if
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Speaker 1: we'd ever seen this video back in August, you know,
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Speaker 1: when they decided that she was giving a bachelor, there's
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Speaker 1: no way, if there's actual video footage out there, they
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Speaker 1: would not have done this. I mean, they couldn't possibly
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Speaker 1: even if you know, you know, secret lives went on
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Speaker 1: and all that. We just it's so much different seeing it.
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Speaker 3: But they were leaning into it, Ashley, This wasn't a
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Speaker 3: new a new chapter for Taylor's story. This was, you know,
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Speaker 3: an unpredictable season and a messy season. They were leaning
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Speaker 3: into this idea that things were gonna be chaotic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right, they weren't trying to make it
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Speaker 1: seem I don't know, Sorry, I'm not a loss for
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Speaker 1: words right now.
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Speaker 4: Does the show air? Does? Does it come out on Sunday?
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Speaker 1: No, it can't come out on Sunday. It certainly can't
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Speaker 1: come out on Sunday. And I think it'd be weird
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Speaker 1: as hell for to air. You and I have seen
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Speaker 1: the first episode. You guys, we've already recapped the first
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Speaker 1: episode on recording. It would be so bizarre to watch
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Speaker 1: that season after watching that video. We just couldn't do it.
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Speaker 1: We also have to think about all the guys out
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Speaker 1: there that signed up for this season and had all
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Speaker 1: these experiences experiences with her, and now they're seeing this video.
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Speaker 1: Think about the guy that she chooses. You know, I've
20:50
Speaker 1: been adamant that I don't think she chooses anyone, and
20:52
Speaker 1: now that they're spoilers out there, like, I think she
20:55
Speaker 1: chooses someone, and I just can't imagine being him.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so summarize all this, I guess to put our
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Speaker 3: thoughts in concise manner. A video is released by TMZ
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Speaker 3: showing the altercation between Dakota and Taylor that led to
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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three arrest. That video is now out
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Speaker 3: there everywhere. I mean goodness. It was released an hour
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Speaker 3: and a half ago and it's on every news cycle
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Speaker 3: that I can see that when I turn on my
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Speaker 3: computer or when I turn.
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Speaker 4: On my phone.
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Speaker 3: So the video is not good. It's not good at all.
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Speaker 3: There's nothing to it that isn't hard to watch. It's
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Speaker 3: in a lot of ways it feels.
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Speaker 4: Goodness, I'll use Taylor's words.
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Speaker 3: It's not only heavy, it's also disturbing because there is
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Speaker 3: this like switch that doesn't flip even in the midst
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Speaker 3: of a kid in the room chairs being thrown. It's
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Speaker 3: not like a moment to calm down. It just gets
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Speaker 3: worse and worse as you watch the video. And now
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Speaker 3: we sit as our you know, this really anticipated season
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Speaker 3: of The Bachelorette is supposed to air in just a
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Speaker 3: few days, and wondering, you know, will it air, should
22:17
Speaker 3: it air, and if it does air, how do they
22:20
Speaker 3: even broach the fact that now anybody wants to has seen.
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Speaker 4: This incident. And then on the back of all that,
22:29
Speaker 4: we've had an.
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Speaker 3: Incident in February that's caused the Secret Lives of Mormon
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Speaker 3: Wives cameras to shut down and for the contestants in
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Speaker 3: that show to plead for Taylor to get help, as
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Speaker 3: Hannah shared, and for Dakota to kind of take a
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Speaker 3: step away from it all because when he's around, it's
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Speaker 3: not good. It's not just it's not even good TV.
22:47
Speaker 3: It's just unhealthy for everyone involved. And so there's a
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Speaker 3: lot of still unknowns. The pieces of the puzzle of
22:56
Speaker 3: what happened in February are still very much unknown. But
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Speaker 3: this video did come out, and I do think I
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Speaker 3: think no matter what, no matter what you feel about this,
23:05
Speaker 3: no matter what you think about Taylor, no matter like
23:08
Speaker 3: what side you're on in all of this, and I
23:10
Speaker 3: don't even know what's like, I don't know enough to
23:12
Speaker 3: make like strict judgments on this. No matter what, when
23:16
Speaker 3: this video affects things, even if it was in twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty three, because it was released, like it or not,
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Speaker 3: it does affect things because it now gives us, as
23:27
Speaker 3: actually said a picture of what happened in twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: three and how bad it was. That makes us go, hey,
23:34
Speaker 3: you can't ignore it like this. This is too much
23:37
Speaker 3: in our face now, like it or not, it's going
23:39
Speaker 3: to change the way this show. And really, I think
23:42
Speaker 3: Taylor's personal life moves from here.
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Speaker 1: As Ben mentioned, I just feel like there are a
23:52
Speaker 1: lot there's no right and wrong. There's right and wrong here.
23:54
Speaker 1: There's blatant right and wrong here. But there's like a
23:57
Speaker 1: lot of thoughts and opinions. And I just want to
23:59
Speaker 1: say that this is us talking out our thoughts and opinions,
24:02
Speaker 1: like we don't nobody, I don't. There's so much we're
24:06
Speaker 1: just we're just talking things out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're not afraid to say domestic violence is bad.
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Speaker 1: No, of course, of course we're saying this like this
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Speaker 1: is what we were saying the denestic volumes is horrible. This
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Speaker 1: video is horrible. And that is what we know. That
24:20
Speaker 1: is what we know. Everything else, well, we honestly don't know.
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Speaker 1: We're talking.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but this is not good.
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Speaker 3: It's not good, and something has to happen, like the
24:30
Speaker 3: like Disney or ABC. Somebody has to say something at
24:35
Speaker 3: some point, so we know where the people that are,
24:38
Speaker 3: you know, pulling the strings, where they what they think
24:40
Speaker 3: about all this, what they feel about it if they
24:42
Speaker 3: decide to air the show Sunday. I want to hear
24:45
Speaker 3: why they're deciding to air this show. Even if it is, Hey,
24:48
Speaker 3: we've spent our whole budget for the year on this show.
24:51
Speaker 3: We have to air it or this whole thing goes under.
24:53
Speaker 3: I want to hear them say that if it's Hey,
24:56
Speaker 3: I want to know.
24:57
Speaker 1: I feel for the people who worked on the show,
24:59
Speaker 1: not the people that put her in this position, but
25:01
Speaker 1: I feel like she that like everybody that you know,
25:06
Speaker 1: it works behind the scenes like so much blood, sweat
25:08
Speaker 1: and tears, and they're excited for the public to see
25:10
Speaker 1: it and then this is happening. I also want to
25:13
Speaker 1: mention something that Charity said, and you may have covered
25:15
Speaker 1: it in the podcast this week, but she said I
25:18
Speaker 1: think it was Charity. I'm sorry if it wasn't. But
25:20
Speaker 1: Bachelor alum, whoever you were, said, it's great that we
25:24
Speaker 1: can that like the show lets you discover so many
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Speaker 1: things about yourself and it helps you grow and all
25:29
Speaker 1: of that could take you away from a bad situation
25:32
Speaker 1: at home. But it's also not mental health like therapy.
25:35
Speaker 1: It's not like a retreat center that's going to cure
25:39
Speaker 1: your issues. And if her girls at Secret Lives really
25:45
Speaker 1: wanted her to get help and thought that she really
25:48
Speaker 1: needed it, I'm not believing them. But like, if he
25:51
Speaker 1: was already in that position over the summer where she
25:53
Speaker 1: was needing help, the bachelor reat wasn't the place to
25:57
Speaker 1: get her therapy.
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Speaker 3: No, somebody, I mean, I would hope somebody that cared
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Speaker 3: about her would have stepped in and been like, hey,
26:03
Speaker 3: maybe not now, Like this opportunity is probably going to
26:05
Speaker 3: exist for you in another year. It would probably let's
26:10
Speaker 3: just take it, take some time. As stuff comes out,
26:13
Speaker 3: we'll continue to jump on talk about it. A lot's happening. Goodness,
26:17
Speaker 3: it feels like the last week has been a year Lee,
26:21
Speaker 3: you know, and it's leading up to Sunday's premiere of
26:25
Speaker 3: a very anticipated season of The Bachelorette that I know
26:28
Speaker 3: they put a ton of time, effort, and money behind.
26:31
Speaker 4: And it's one of the reasons.
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Speaker 3: Why I would love to hear what they have to say,
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Speaker 3: like what are they thinking, how are they navigating this?
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Speaker 3: It would bring a lot of a lot of clarity
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Speaker 3: and it would sure up a lot of the things
26:45
Speaker 3: that we're speculating honestly right now and that fans are speculating.
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Speaker 4: But we'll see. We'll be back until next time. I've
26:55
Speaker 4: been Ben, I've been Ashley.
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