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Inside The Data: Going Inside Jaelan Phillips' Pass-Rush Win Rate · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, welcome back to Inside the Data on Inside the Birds,
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  Speaker 1: and of course I'm Jeff Moser alongside our data and
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  Speaker 1: analyst expert, analytics expert. I should say, Sam Finkle, what's
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  Speaker 1: going on? Sam? How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: What an intro I've been working on that. It definitely
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  Speaker 2: can tell it looks great. It's not a great for sure.
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  Speaker 1: If I had done it too long, then you would
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  Speaker 1: have heard my voice crack. So I had to do
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  Speaker 1: it really quick. I'm not Michael Buffer. I can't carry
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  Speaker 1: that thing for for twenty five seconds. So I did
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  Speaker 1: it perfectly.
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  Speaker 2: There.
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  Speaker 1: Great to have you and very appreciative because we are
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  Speaker 1: going to do a two part Inside the Data series.
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  Speaker 1: This show is part one that everybody's listening to. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna recap the trade deadline, specifically the Eagles moves.
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  Speaker 1: I also want to get your insight, whether it's analytically
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  Speaker 1: or not, just on some of the other moves around
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  Speaker 1: the NFL. And then in Part two, which will come
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  Speaker 1: out later this week, we're gonna kind of summarize five
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  Speaker 1: major themes of the first half of the Eagles through
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  Speaker 1: an analytics lens and it's gonna be really comprehensive. So
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  Speaker 1: very excited about that show as well. So everybody gets
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  Speaker 1: a two for one deal this week too. To Inside
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  Speaker 1: the Data this with Sam Finkel in one week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure that's like I have an early Christmas present, Sam.
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  Speaker 3: That's very kind. I hope everyone feels the same way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they do. Why wouldn't they just your first reaction? Now,
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  Speaker 1: you know, last time we did an inside the Data,
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles had already traded for Michael Carter the second,
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  Speaker 1: so we went through that and the thing with him
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  Speaker 1: was that there was a small sample size this year
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  Speaker 1: to work with, but we were able to get contextual
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  Speaker 1: with his career. Talk about an even smaller sample size,
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  Speaker 1: JayR Alexander, who's only played about sixty snaps this year.
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  Speaker 1: But in general, when you fold in Carter to the second,
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  Speaker 1: Jaire Alexander and Jalen Phillips from Miami, putting the analytics aside,
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  Speaker 1: just overall your.
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  Speaker 2: Thoughts, Yeah, I mean, listen, I think they're pretty low risk,
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  Speaker 2: high reward moves and you don't normally see that. Particularly
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  Speaker 2: the Alexander trade. They didn't really give up that much,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, you feel pretty good if he can
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  Speaker 2: return to form, and it's a big if. With the
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  Speaker 2: Phillips trade, I also feel like you feel pretty good
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  Speaker 2: because if he doesn't work out for whatever reason, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's another body and they need the body, and then
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  Speaker 2: you get the comp pick if he leaves next year.
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  Speaker 2: So it's you feel pretty good just based on what
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  Speaker 2: was given up and what is really at stake. And
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  Speaker 2: that's why I think, like, honestly, it's a pretty low risk,
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  Speaker 2: high reward, which again you don't normally see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. And in a case like the
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  Speaker 1: Alexander one, where you give up like a future seventh
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  Speaker 1: to get back a sixth, which does I think what
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  Speaker 1: the deal was?
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  Speaker 2: I think I think we gave a the Eagles gave
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  Speaker 2: us sixth and got and gave a seventh as well.
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  Speaker 3: It was the Ravens.
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  Speaker 1: I'm murdered that the Ravens sent Alexander and a future
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  Speaker 1: seventh twenty twenty seventh seventh round pick to the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: in exchange for a twenty twenty six sixth round pick. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're correct. So that is just such a low, low
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  Speaker 1: exchange of picks that could wind up being even though
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  Speaker 1: they're in different rafts, Like, I don't even consider it
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  Speaker 1: the trade to be honest with you, it's just like
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles got Gyr Alexander and who knows at that point,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because you and I both know both these
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  Speaker 1: teams are going to trade that pick that they got
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  Speaker 1: from each other seven times over before they actually make
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  Speaker 1: the pick.
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  Speaker 2: So and we'll we'll track every single Oh, I know
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  Speaker 2: we will, yeh.
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  Speaker 1: So So okay, so the Eagles improve themselves. I think
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  Speaker 1: we both feel that way. Some teams took really big
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  Speaker 1: swings out of the ankles, I might say, and we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: But the Eagles, I thought, moderately, not moderately, they improved
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  Speaker 1: themselves without bankrolling their future or leaving themselves in, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a scary territory going down the road.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely awesome.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So what we'll do is take a look
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  Speaker 1: from an analytics standpoint of the data that you compiled
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  Speaker 1: here on the trade acquisitions. Let's get into the jar.
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  Speaker 1: Is it Jari Jaiyir Jari? I think it's Jaiyir?
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Jay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I gotta get on Greg on that one. But
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  Speaker 1: just as you laid it out, here are the terms
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  Speaker 1: of the deal. The Eagles get Alexander and next year
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, sorry, two years from now, seventh round pick,
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  Speaker 1: and the Ravens get a sixth round pick from the Eagles,
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  Speaker 1: of which I think they have a few as they
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  Speaker 1: typically do. So let's now look at the data that
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  Speaker 1: you compiled here on Jarry Alexander and I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: let you take it away with what you think stands out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, again, small sample size, but I was
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  Speaker 2: able to use the same chart that I did for
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  Speaker 2: Michael Carter and all the snaps Jia Alexander has done
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  Speaker 2: this year has been on the outside, so it worked
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  Speaker 2: out really well. Again, not a great QBR one to
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  Speaker 2: eighteen point eight, which would be the worst among every
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  Speaker 2: corner in the corner room. And he allowed five targets,
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  Speaker 2: five targets, five receptions, one hundred and sixteen yards thirty
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  Speaker 2: after catch, no touchdowns, no interceptions. And then you look
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  Speaker 2: at those like relative stats and it's two point seven
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  Speaker 2: yards per coverage snap, eight point six snaps per target,
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  Speaker 2: and eight point six snaps per reception. Because again it's
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  Speaker 2: the same number, which you know that yards per coverage
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  Speaker 2: snap is the highest among relevant corners. I mean, Perry
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  Speaker 2: Nickerson would be higher at three point five, but he's
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  Speaker 2: only had four coverage snaps. I'm not sure it's particularly
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  Speaker 2: fair to say, but again, you know, there's a small
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  Speaker 2: a sample size, and there really wasn't that much opportunity
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  Speaker 2: for j R. Alexander in Baltimore after he got hurt
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  Speaker 2: and he was a healthy scratch. There was some you knows,
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  Speaker 2: there's a reason why Baltimore moved on from him too,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I probably said it already on too many
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  Speaker 1: different podcasts throughout the week, Like it's hard to get
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  Speaker 1: past the context that the Ravens were one of the
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  Speaker 1: worst defenses in the NFL for the first six to
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  Speaker 1: seven weeks and they would not play him even when
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  Speaker 1: he was healthy. Now, just being healthy to be to
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  Speaker 1: be fair, right, means you can play, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean your conditioning is there. He obviously had the knee
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  Speaker 1: I think had knee surgery, and then he was slowed
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  Speaker 1: up in camp. So like you know, Brandon Graham right
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  Speaker 1: now is healthy, but I don't think the Eagles are
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  Speaker 1: ready to play him for an entire game, so to speak.
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  Speaker 1: So it's your conditioning that really matters the most, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe they just felt like he was not conditioned Now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how that helps the Eagles who really
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  Speaker 1: need an answer at CB two. They feel like four
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  Speaker 1: weeks from now or three weeks from now, or even
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  Speaker 1: maybe sooner than that, they can get his conditioning up
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  Speaker 1: to be the player that he was a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, I mean, you don't necessarily know if
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  Speaker 2: he's even going to be that player again. But if
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  Speaker 2: you can get, you know, eighty percent of that, you
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  Speaker 2: feel pretty good at your second position.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Well, the mission here is can I get something
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  Speaker 1: that's better than what I've been getting from Adriy Jackson
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  Speaker 1: or Killy Ringo.
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  Speaker 2: And I think eighty percent of what jay R Alexander
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  Speaker 2: has been in his career feels really good there.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, if you can get eighty percent of what
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  Speaker 1: jay R Alexander has been, you've got yourself Darius Slay
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  Speaker 1: last year. That's how I would look at it. I
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  Speaker 1: just think at this point that's a pretty big if,
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  Speaker 1: given you know the drop off, and you know, the
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  Speaker 1: Ravens were excited to get this guy, and even Howie
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  Speaker 1: Roseman said he thought it was a great move by
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens because what the Ravens wanted to do was
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  Speaker 1: be able to play JayR Alexander outside and then play
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  Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins, their first round pick from last year outside,
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  Speaker 1: play Marlon Humphrey. They're all pro corner who's a great
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  Speaker 1: hybrid corner at the nickel, and then keep Kyle Hamilton,
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  Speaker 1: they're all pro safety at safety. What they've wound up
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  Speaker 1: doing has not hurt them too much because their defense
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  Speaker 1: is getting a little better. They've just basically moved Humphrey
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  Speaker 1: back to the outside opposite Wiggins, and moved Kyle Hamilton
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  Speaker 1: to that nickel role, that slot corner role, and then
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  Speaker 1: just replaced him with a different safety. And Hamilton is
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  Speaker 1: so good as a nickel safety that it really seems
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  Speaker 1: like they've been okay. I mean, they again bad defense,
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  Speaker 1: but their last game, I know was against the Dolphins,
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  Speaker 1: but they started to look better and they got healthier.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you teem me up perfectly, because I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about their defense compared to
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles defense. Just because know, a lot of your
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  Speaker 2: statistics depend on everyone else, especially on defense. So I
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  Speaker 2: think that's a good way to talk about it. But
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  Speaker 2: before we do that, I have a very fun fact
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  Speaker 2: for you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gooy.
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  Speaker 2: Both the Eagles trades post Michael Carter were the eighteenth
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  Speaker 2: overall pick for in their relative respective drafts.
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  Speaker 1: So Jay R. Alexander was the eighteenth overall pick of
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  Speaker 1: the Packers and Phillips was the eighteenth overall for the Dolphins. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's crazy. How about that.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to say that one right now. That's
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  Speaker 2: a fun fact. But let's let's go into the actual
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  Speaker 2: substance of stuff really quick.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you look, if you go down on
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  Speaker 2: the chart, you can see a comparison between the Ravens
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  Speaker 2: pass defense and the Eagles pass defense. And I just
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  Speaker 2: think that's worth just discussing because I think it really
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  Speaker 2: depends on you know, your people surrounding you, especially at corner.
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  Speaker 2: I think corner is a really important position that is
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  Speaker 2: dependent on you know, the pressure, dependent on everybodybody else.
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  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of things. So first off, let's let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about passing yards per game. The Eagles have been
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  Speaker 2: allowing two hundred and fifteen point nine and the Ravens
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  Speaker 2: two thirty two point two. So just with that said,
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles, that's twenty fifth and I'm sorry, that's.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's that might.
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  Speaker 2: Be Hold on one second, I gotta just check something
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  Speaker 2: because it's it's different than.
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  Speaker 1: What I had on that starts per game.
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  Speaker 3: You're checking, Yeah, yeah, because it's different on what you were.
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  Speaker 1: About to say was correct. But I mean we can
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  Speaker 1: we can recheck the rankings again.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it is correct. I just wanted to
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  Speaker 3: check really quick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, Oh right, because it's defense. Yet never mind,
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  Speaker 2: I I was looking at our offense. I'm like, that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't sound right. Yeah, so our path the Eagles pass
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  Speaker 2: defense has been to I just want to see where
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  Speaker 2: that is relative to everyone else, and that is.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty fifth is what they are in passing our drive
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  Speaker 1: belief seventeenth actually, oh seventeenth, okay, so twenty fifth would
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  Speaker 1: be their all. That's that's what got me too.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for a quick second, I want to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that always we're given the right you know, I
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  Speaker 2: hit the same button.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: I had a little mini you know, did I get it?
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  Speaker 3: I did not get it wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I just we're good, all right, So seventeen seventeenth, just
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  Speaker 2: because I wanted to give context to it. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 2: pass yards per play Eagles is six point one the
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  Speaker 2: Ravens six point two. Not a huge difference there, huge
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  Speaker 2: difference in the passing touchdowns allowed Eagles eight Ravens twenty,
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  Speaker 2: and a huge difference in the EPA per pass soles
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  Speaker 2: are negative zero point one nine. Remember negative is really
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  Speaker 2: good for defense. You don't want it to be positive.
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  Speaker 2: And the Ravens are closer to that zero market negative
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  Speaker 2: zero point zero four. And then importantly the time to
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  Speaker 2: pressure Eagles at two point five to one and the
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  Speaker 2: Ravens at two point six to three. So it just
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  Speaker 2: means that the Eagles pressure is getting there faster they
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  Speaker 2: are being They're better past defending team in general, both
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  Speaker 2: on EPA and yards per game allowed. So I think
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  Speaker 2: that those are important contextual details that have impacted to
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  Speaker 2: some extent Guy Alexander's performance. And again we talked about
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  Speaker 2: how the Ravens defense got better, so these statistics actually improved,
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  Speaker 2: So when JayR.
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  Speaker 3: Alexander was on the field, they were actually probably worse.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So I guess what we could kind of gleaned
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  Speaker 1: from this is a little bit is maybe in a
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  Speaker 1: if his conditioning gets better and within a better environment,
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  Speaker 1: then maybe you get what we were talking about, that
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  Speaker 1: eighty percent of the player that he used to be
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  Speaker 1: and you've benefited.
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  Speaker 3: From that exactly. That's the thought process. And again, you know,
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  Speaker 3: best case.
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  Speaker 2: Scenario he does return to that former turned to eighty
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  Speaker 2: percent of that form. Whatever that number is, Like, we're
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  Speaker 2: just putting a number out there, and that would be
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  Speaker 2: a solid outside corner that you would be pretty happy
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  Speaker 2: with that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. One thing that I'm going to introduce also so
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  Speaker 1: conceptually here just which might explain some of those numbers
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  Speaker 1: is anybody who's watched the Ravens not only knows that
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  Speaker 1: they've had a lot of injuries, but they lost non Dematabik,
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  Speaker 1: who's a really good interior pass rusher. They've really struggled
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  Speaker 1: to generate a pass rush, so they had to blitz
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  Speaker 1: a lot more than the Ravens typically blitz. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: their blitz percentage according to Pro Football Reference is I
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  Speaker 1: have it as tenth right here at twenty five point six,
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  Speaker 1: and that's pretty high for them. They are they're usually
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  Speaker 1: a front four, they're like the Eagles. They're usually a
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  Speaker 1: front four dominant team, a pass rush dominant team. They're
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  Speaker 1: not afraid to blitz, but it's not really what they've done,
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  Speaker 1: but because they've had to, it's probably put their corners
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  Speaker 1: and defensive backs in not the best categories. And as
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  Speaker 1: your time to pressure shows, they haven't really been getting
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  Speaker 1: to the quarterback even with their blitzing as much as
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  Speaker 1: they'd like to, or as fast as quickly as they'd
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  Speaker 1: like to. So now you put Jero Alexander in a
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  Speaker 1: better defense that might have just upgraded, well definitely just upgraded.
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  Speaker 1: It's pass rush with Jalen Phillips, and you start to
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  Speaker 1: like you can see I guess the way the wheels
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  Speaker 1: turned in Howie's head where maybe you get something better
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  Speaker 1: because of that.
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  Speaker 3: Just so you know, the Ravens are we're twenty sixth
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  Speaker 3: pre and blitz in the year before.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, great, So so that just shows you the extremes
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  Speaker 1: that they've had to go through to get pressure generation
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  Speaker 1: this year. And the Eagles are also higher in their
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  Speaker 1: blitz percentage this year. You know, I think VIC ended
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  Speaker 1: last year around somewhere between nineteen and twenty one percent.
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  Speaker 1: And I know this year, it's up because they also
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  Speaker 1: have struggle. They're at throughout twenty two to twenty three percent.
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  Speaker 3: We're at nineteen point three and twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and so they're up, plus their man coverages
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  Speaker 1: up as well. But that might actually I think the
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  Speaker 1: idea is that goes back to normal now that they
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  Speaker 1: add jal and Phillips, who will talk about in a second.
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  Speaker 1: And again that's just if you can play more zone
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  Speaker 1: and blitz last, that helps your your corners out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're at twenty three point six this year. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 2: And another thing that is important with that context is
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  Speaker 2: because they are blitzing so much, you don't have as
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  Speaker 2: much help in other coverage shells. I mean, one of
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  Speaker 2: the benefits of not blitzing is that you have more
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  Speaker 2: guys in space to cover, particularly when you're in zone,
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  Speaker 2: but also when you're in man you have safeties and
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  Speaker 2: other people that can help in different actual zones and
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  Speaker 2: that helps significantly.
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  Speaker 3: So when you blitz, you have less people that can support.
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  Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, That's why Vic Fangio is famous for not
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  Speaker 1: throwing a single blitz at the at the Chiefs in
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  Speaker 1: one and up. Let's move on to Jalen Phillips and
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  Speaker 1: as you have it here, the Eagles give up a
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  Speaker 1: third round pick now they had two, which is why
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Howie Roseman gets a lot of credit for not having
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to ever bankroll the future. Right, he had two third
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  Speaker 1: round picks to begin with, and so from the Jets
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  Speaker 1: trade of a Hassan reddick that a lot of people
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: have forgotten about, and so they still have a third
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  Speaker 1: round pick and just get rid of this one.
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  Speaker 2: And they kept the Jets third round pick, which is
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  Speaker 2: notable because it would be considerably better pick.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and the Jets are off to a terrible start,
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  Speaker 1: and there are probably not within the trades that they
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  Speaker 1: just made, probably not going to win too many more
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  Speaker 1: games the rest.
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  Speaker 3: Of the year anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, you're absolutely right. So this this trade again,
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  Speaker 2: you teed it up perfectly. But let's look at that
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  Speaker 2: edge room really quick. You see a lot of red
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  Speaker 2: on there. Yes, never feel good when you see a
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  Speaker 2: lot of red on my charts.
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  Speaker 3: Just in general.
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  Speaker 1: Your red is not all just like poor stats, but
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: like injuries too, and environments. Yeah, you have a you
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  Speaker 1: have a cancel out for those who are just listening
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  Speaker 1: and can't see the color. There's there's like not only red,
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  Speaker 1: but there's like these almost like a teacher's you know,
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  Speaker 1: red penning through like Zadarius Smith like you're gone, dude.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for contributing.
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  Speaker 2: So what is interesting though, is I mean, you look
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  Speaker 2: at these statistics and if you ignore Phillips, I mean
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  Speaker 2: you don't have as much production. But when you put
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  Speaker 2: Phillips in there, it's all green. Almost everything is green.
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  Speaker 2: He immediately becomes your best pass rusher immediately. Right, It's
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: kind of interesting. And this is not a sample sized
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  Speaker 2: thing at all. Right, you look at the pass rushes.
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  Speaker 2: He has the most out of everybody in the entire
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  Speaker 2: room at one eighty one.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't incredible because this would actually be considered not
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a down year for
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  Speaker 1: Jaen Phillis, but you know, coming back from the two
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  Speaker 1: major injuries he's had last years, it's his numbers aren't
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  Speaker 1: what they were, say, prior to those to when he
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  Speaker 1: played for VIC a couple of years ago, when he
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  Speaker 1: was set in the world on fire, and yet he's
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  Speaker 1: still green compared to the rest of the Eagles pass
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  Speaker 1: rush here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, you're right, those injuries are tough.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the torn achilles in twenty three and the
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: partially torn acl and twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: There's are tough injuries. To come back from.
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  Speaker 2: But he's getting healthier, he's in a scheme that he's
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: thrived in, and he immediately becomes your best pass rusher immediately.
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  Speaker 2: It is it's a That's why I feel really good
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  Speaker 2: about this trade.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you look at it. He's had the most hurries,
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  Speaker 3: he's had the most sacks, which is not that special
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  Speaker 3: because you look and there's not that many sacks in
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  Speaker 3: his edge room.
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  Speaker 2: Zarias Smith was leading the room as a retired player
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  Speaker 2: and hasn't played for the last like two or three weeks,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: which is never good. He would lead in pressures, he
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  Speaker 2: leads in pass rush per pressure.
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  Speaker 3: He leads.
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  Speaker 2: He leads in win rate significantly nineteen point three. Huge elite,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely elite win rate. Everybody else is in the single digits.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody else is in the double digits. And also really
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  Speaker 2: good get off at zero point eighty six. Ogbo Acar
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  Speaker 2: Kwonkuo has the best win rate, I mean best get
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  Speaker 2: off at zero point six. But he's only had two
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  Speaker 2: pass rush opportunities, so I'm not sure that's particularly fair
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  Speaker 2: or accurate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you took away the guys who were retired
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  Speaker 1: Zaria Smith and on Ir and you just made this,
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  Speaker 1: and even Patrick Johnson since he's not in the fifty
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  Speaker 1: three anymore. If you've just made this about the top
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  Speaker 1: three of Phillips, Hunt, and Ucha, then I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips gets almost a clean sweep in every single category.
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  Speaker 1: The only thing he doesn't have more than is quarterback hits,
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  Speaker 1: of which jalal Ex Hunt has seven and Phillips has four.
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  Speaker 1: But every other category he would be the winner.
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  Speaker 3: I believe. Yep, you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that tells you something, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 3: It does tell you something.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad you put together the right Side column
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: for people who are just listening. You know, it starts
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: off with giving the hurries, the hits, the sacks and
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: the pressures and showing how much more Jalen Phillips has
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: than the rest. But we always say, Sam and I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: both always say sometimes those can be misleading. If you
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  Speaker 1: have three times as many pass rushes as somebody else,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: then your stats are of course they're gonna look better.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: But what is your rate?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: The fact that he wins in pass rush for pressure
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: or wait no a yeah right, yeah yeah pass rush yes?
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  Speaker 1: Meaning how many times is the pressure on a pass rush.
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  Speaker 1: He wins in that he wins in. His win rate
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  Speaker 1: again for those who can only listen, is nineteen percent.
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  Speaker 1: The next highest is a Jaylex Hunt at nine percent,
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  Speaker 1: a little less than nine percent and at eight and
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  Speaker 1: a half. So you're talking about a guy who more
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  Speaker 1: than double and almost tripling the win rate of the
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  Speaker 1: other two guys. So I think that's really impressive.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so honestly best trade that they've made, honestly this year.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, I would agree, now, I would, we could, we
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  Speaker 1: could have taken a deeper dive if we want to
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  Speaker 1: do Sam, But I didn't, you know, I asked you
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  Speaker 1: for just the just the the stats that we normally
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  Speaker 1: go to. Phillips plays inside quite a bit against in
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  Speaker 1: Miami's defense because they have Chop Robinson, Penn State and
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: and Bradley Chuck. So I don't think he's gonna occupy
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: that kind of a role in Vic Fangio's defense here
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: because they just need more from their edges and they
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: have pretty good interior pass rushers. But I would probably wonder,
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  Speaker 1: like how much when you put a great pass rusher
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: like that inside against guards, does that help inflate the
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  Speaker 1: win rate and they get off a little bit. That
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: would be the only thing I'd be I'd wonder about that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably, uh, it probably would factor in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not enough to say that, you know, nineteen percent
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: compared to the you know eight point eight and eight
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  Speaker 1: point five or it is just like it's like misleading.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: It's not. It's not misleading. He's just not even a
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  Speaker 1: pass rusher.
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  Speaker 2: Even if it regresses, you would still take oh yeah,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: even a five percent decrease, you feel really good about.
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  Speaker 1: What is again, what is considered an elite win rate
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  Speaker 1: for an edge wresher?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I have those statistics.
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  Speaker 2: Give me one second. I want to say exactly the
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: right thing, So give me one second. No problem for
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  Speaker 2: an edge you typically want. So what what I have
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  Speaker 2: is poor is less than seven percent, average is ten
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  Speaker 2: to fifteen and elite is.
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  Speaker 1: Like twenty Okay, so he's right on the cusp of
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: being you know, above average to elite there.
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  Speaker 2: Which is better than anything that they had. So absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: and honestly, if you're saying that he played on the inside,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: you know that number goes down a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Elite is closer to fifteen percent.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, all right, another Dolphins Eagles comparison. This is
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  Speaker 1: the same thing that we did with the corners, where
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  Speaker 1: I'm starting to the defense, the pass defense, but now
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  Speaker 1: the pass rush. I guess correct.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's the same statistics pretty much, I
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  Speaker 2: mean exactly, but it's just comparison, right, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: That should not say Ravens Dolphins. It had the right colors,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: just not the right na.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, what's important here Dolphins actually allowing less pass yards
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  Speaker 2: per game at one ninety eight point one.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because you can run for two hundred yards
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  Speaker 1: against them, if you want to exactly.
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  Speaker 2: They've been awful against in their run defense. Yeah, teams
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: have been taking advantage of that. But and that's what
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I was going to go to with The second point
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: is their yards per play is six point eight, which
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: is a significant difference from six point one that the
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: years allowing they almost double in past touchdowns allowed. Eagles
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: have allowed eight, Dolphins have allowed fifteen, and then their
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: EPA per pass is jarring. The Eagles are at minus
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: zero point one nine, as we said, and the Dolphins
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: aren't plus zero point one five. So it's not like
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: you can't beat them by passing. And teams have been
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and they've been, you know, leading to scores every time
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: they pass against them. And then interestingly, their time to
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: pressure is slower than the Eagles, which honestly leads me
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to a bigger point about the Eagles pass rush is
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: they're getting pressures, they're just not getting Sacks's that's where
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I would I would say, and I think getting a
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: guy like Phillips gives you an opportunity to convert those
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: pressures into sacks.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I imagine that was the whole point, right of Howie
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Roseman making that move, thinking that he's got something that
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: will add to what he has, which is probably better
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: than it might look on paper. But when you add
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: somebody like Jenlen Phillips, it's like the rising tide lifting
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: all the ships. Like everybody benefits from that end. I'll
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: leave it to this and when he had his very
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: good year under Vic two years ago before the injury.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: He was playing really well. So was Christian Wilkins, the
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: big interier pass rusher who had nine sacks that year.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: So if you put Jalen Phillips on the line that
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: has a really good interior pass rusher, like I don't know,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Jalen Carter, then it probably leaves a lot of one
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: on ones more so than Jail Phillips was probably seeing
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: this year with not a whole lot of interior pass
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: rush on that Dolphins d line.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think that's a great point. And I think,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: you know, just make each other better. That's at the
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: end of the day, that's what you're trying to do.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: So that's right, Okay, great stuff. That is our trade
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: deadline recap. In our next episode, we're going to recap
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the Eagles five major themes analytically of the first half
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: as they get ready for the second half of the season.
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  Speaker 1: That'll do it for this episode of Inside the Data
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  Speaker 1: for Sam Finkel, I'm Jeff Mosher. We'll catch you all
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  Speaker 1: on the next one.