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The Creators Are Afraid of Their Creation | Episode 369 · V

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  Speaker 1: Everybody, welcome to Vance on a Monday. Great to be
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  Speaker 1: back with you, as always, the best audience anywhere. We've
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  Speaker 1: got a big show to get to today. We've got
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  Speaker 1: to talk about all of the warnings that the artificial
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  Speaker 1: intelligence titans are making. We have a grand conspiracy update,
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  Speaker 1: a big one, actually, a big news item to share
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  Speaker 1: with you. We'll go through the known details as one
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  Speaker 1: of the great patriots who's been working on this grand
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy case just resigned. What does it all mean? We'll
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  Speaker 1: explore that coming up in just a moment. And also
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  Speaker 1: that Lindsay Clancy case, just when you think it couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get crazier, well, it just got crazier as now we
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  Speaker 1: find out more details about the lone juror who did
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  Speaker 1: conclude that she was guilty as hell and the efforts
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  Speaker 1: to destroy him are underway. It's all ahead on this
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  Speaker 1: edition of Vince. It's always great to have you with us.
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  Speaker 1: And thanks for those of you who were with me
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  Speaker 1: last week as we were in Dallas, Texas, baby. Dallas, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: feel so good about. We had a good trip to
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  Speaker 1: Dallas last week. I really appreciated the opportunity to spend
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  Speaker 1: some time with a bunch of great patriots. So many
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  Speaker 1: of you, those of you who were there stopping by
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  Speaker 1: to say hello, it was so nice to see you.
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  Speaker 1: And everyone's just so sweet and wonderful. And I'm just
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  Speaker 1: reminded what a great country we live in with so
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  Speaker 1: many great patriots in it. All concentrated in Dallas last
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  Speaker 1: week for that Republican convention where we also got a
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  Speaker 1: chance to talk to a lot of the leaders of
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  Speaker 1: our country, a bunch of U.S. senators and congressmen. I,
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  Speaker 1: of course, browbeat all of them about the importance of
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  Speaker 1: the Save America Act, and the fight continues. So that was,
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  Speaker 1: it was a good week. A great opportunity for me
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  Speaker 1: to get to spend some face time with our team.
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  Speaker 1: We were all spread out across the country. We got
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  Speaker 1: producer Jim in Dallas and producer Josh and producer Justin
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  Speaker 1: in Florida. Haley Carania is based out of Florida as well.
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  Speaker 1: And we just, we all got together. Great. Teresa from
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  Speaker 1: Westwood One is great. It was just so nice to
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  Speaker 1: spend time with everybody. and to double down on our
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  Speaker 1: efforts to create this great America-loving content each day. So
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  Speaker 1: that was a joy, a total joy. And then this week,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be off to Kansas City, by the way, for
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  Speaker 1: a big Kansas City radio station event. We've got KCMO.
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  Speaker 1: That's my local affiliate in Kansas City. And we are
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  Speaker 1: doing an event that'll be— let me just remind myself. I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking at their website right now. I think it's Wednesday night.
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  Speaker 1: September 16th. Yeah, that would be Wednesday night at Boulevard Brewery.
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  Speaker 1: I believe they still have tickets available. So if you're
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  Speaker 1: in the Kansas City area and you want to hang
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  Speaker 1: out with me, kcmotalkradio.com. You can get that. And yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'll have some Kansas City barbecue too while I'm there.
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  Speaker 1: The Kansas City people have been giving me crap for
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  Speaker 1: posting online about how much I enjoy Texas barbecue. And
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  Speaker 1: they're like, you gotta go to Kansas City. It's way better.
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  Speaker 1: I've had Kansas City barbecue before. I really enjoy it too.
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you guys fight it out. I just love
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  Speaker 1: good food. Big fan of that. Big fan of that.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, I'll be partaking when I'm in Kansas City.
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  Speaker 1: as well. We didn't have a show on Friday. All
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  Speaker 1: of us were traveling back to our respective locations. Well, actually,
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  Speaker 1: I stayed in Dallas for a little bit to do
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  Speaker 1: a radio show there, but our podcast team was all
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  Speaker 1: in the air. So we didn't do a show on Friday,
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  Speaker 1: but we're back today. But Friday, of course, was the
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  Speaker 1: 25th year since 9-11-2001. And we spent a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time on the radio show doing a commemoration of September 11th,
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  Speaker 1: and we won't do that in its totality today. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: it is a very important day in America's history, and
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  Speaker 1: it deserves to be remembered in as much vivid detail
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  Speaker 1: as you could possibly summon all the time. That's why
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  Speaker 1: we say never forget. It's about preventing those types of
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  Speaker 1: attacks from ever happening again and remembering what it was
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  Speaker 1: like to have a unified country in the wake of 9-11,
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  Speaker 1: to have kind of an adult reaction to the attack
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  Speaker 1: on our country. And for a moment, we were all
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  Speaker 1: together waving American flags, putting them on our cars and
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  Speaker 1: celebrating our country and then taking it to our enemies.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to be reminded of both the attacks and
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  Speaker 1: the spirit we had after September 11th. And over the weekend,
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  Speaker 1: there were a number of, I thought, really moving commemorations
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  Speaker 1: of September 11th at a couple of the sporting events,
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  Speaker 1: which were something. Josh, we've got a couple of these.
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  Speaker 1: Which one do you want to start with here? Because
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  Speaker 1: Josh pulled these together for me this morning. OK, Lee
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  Speaker 1: Greenwood was performing. This would be at the Yankees game
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  Speaker 1: and it will be a reprisal of his performance of
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  Speaker 1: proud to be an American back during the World Series
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  Speaker 1: in 2001. This would have been after the 9-11 attacks.
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  Speaker 1: Take a look. Here's Lee Greenwood singing this weekend. In
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  Speaker 1: a vision where at least I know my dream. That
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  Speaker 1: I won't forget the man who died, who gave that.
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  Speaker 3: Right to me.
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  Speaker 1: And at least I know my dream.
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  Speaker 4: It's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: So awesome. You know, actually, you think about this. Lee Greenwood,
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  Speaker 1: who's always been a patriot, was never quite so, I think,
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  Speaker 1: political as he is now. And now at this stage
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  Speaker 1: in his life, he's just like, I'm not pretending at all.
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  Speaker 1: He's on stage with President Trump on a routine basis singing,
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  Speaker 1: God bless the USA. It's wonderful. It's wonderful what he's
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  Speaker 1: been advocating for and the way he's used his immense
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  Speaker 1: talents to advance our country's priorities. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: you would think that like a lot of like kind
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  Speaker 1: of like mainstream sort of like spreaders sports leagues and
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  Speaker 1: entertainment people would be trying to keep their distance from
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  Speaker 1: Lee Greenwood. Props to the Yankees for bringing Lee Greenwood
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  Speaker 1: back out onto the field there to perform for the
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  Speaker 1: fans and to commemorate again, 25 years ago. This is
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  Speaker 1: what it looked like. I've got, let's see here. I've
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  Speaker 1: got this Lee Greenwood from 25 years ago. Here he
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  Speaker 1: is performing. From the nature of Minnesota. To the hills
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  Speaker 1: of Tennessee Across the plains of Texas From sea to
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  Speaker 1: shining sea From Detroit down to Houston And New York
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  Speaker 1: to L.A. Look how good he looks. Build a pride
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  Speaker 1: in every American heart And it's time we stand and say.
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  Speaker 2: That I'm proud to be.
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  Speaker 1: An American Where at least I know I'm free And
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  Speaker 1: I won't forget the men who died Who gave that
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  Speaker 1: right to me And I gladly stand up Do you
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  Speaker 1: remember the emotion? And defend her still today Cause there
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  Speaker 1: ain't no doubt I love this land God bless.
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  Speaker 2: The USA.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing. Just amazing. What an amazing moment. Do you remember
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  Speaker 1: the emotion of all of that? I just, holy cow,
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  Speaker 1: it's coming back to me now, just thinking about it,
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  Speaker 1: just the feeling we had as a country. And the
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  Speaker 1: American flags in the chat, thank you, everybody, as we
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  Speaker 1: celebrate Lee Greenwood and his amazing masterpiece, which he has
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  Speaker 1: performed ever since. And I don't, my suspicion is he
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  Speaker 1: never tires of it. Never at all. What a great American.
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  Speaker 1: So there's Lee Greenwood this weekend. We also had another moment.
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  Speaker 1: One of the other sporting events, what was it, the
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  Speaker 1: Giants game last night, Josh? Yeah, the Giants game, they
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  Speaker 1: put on the field, they put two skylights up straight
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  Speaker 1: up into the air, looked like the Twin Towers. And they,
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  Speaker 1: of course, got the gigantic American flag. It was a
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  Speaker 1: really amazing scene. They also had the NYPD there. They
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  Speaker 1: were honoring the NYPD and the New York City Fire Department.
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  Speaker 1: with a performance of the national anthem. Take a look.
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  Speaker 1: This is what it looked like on the field last night.
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  Speaker 1: The fireworks going up. The Twin Tower Memorial. American flag
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  Speaker 1: covering the whole field. Very cool. Very cool. Love of country, man.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely wonderful. And then we got one more for you, right, Josh? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And then finally, this one's from the Milwaukee Brewers game.
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  Speaker 1: This was on Friday. This would have been on the date,
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  Speaker 1: September 11th. A 102-year-old veteran by the name of, I
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  Speaker 1: want to make sure I get this right, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's Sveri Vinje. He is a World War II Navy veteran,
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  Speaker 1: 102 years old, And he sang God Bless America during
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  Speaker 1: the seventh inning stretch. Take a listen to this guy's
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  Speaker 1: voice at 102. Great Patriot.
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  Speaker 2: Watch.
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  Speaker 1: God bless America. My home sweet home.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for saving the world. Man. What a great country.
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  Speaker 1: What a great country. God bless him. 102 years old.
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  Speaker 1: Still with us. What a great country. Holy cow.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: We got a lot to get to today. A lot.
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  Speaker 1: There's an artificial intelligence debate that's raging right now, and
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  Speaker 1: it's even tempting Washington to jump in the regulatory game
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  Speaker 1: in a big way. Anytime Washington gets involved in anything,
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  Speaker 1: we get nervous, don't we? We get nervous. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: typically redound to our benefit. The more meddlesome Washington is,
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  Speaker 1: the worse it is for the American people. I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about what exactly is happening here, because this
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  Speaker 1: seems like a very, very consequential story. Let's dive in.
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  Speaker 1: This starts with the Anthropic CEO, his name is Dario Amadei,
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  Speaker 1: this weekend releasing a nearly 4,000-word essay that it's time
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  Speaker 1: to slow down the development of artificial intelligence in the
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  Speaker 1: United States. He said, we've got to pace the frontier.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he says. We must pace the frontier, meaning
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  Speaker 1: frontier being the big AI companies that are at the
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  Speaker 1: bleeding edge of the development of artificial intelligence. He writes,
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  Speaker 1: Dario Amadei writes in this piece that he believes AI
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  Speaker 1: could be one of the great wonders of the world
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  Speaker 1: in terms of curing, for instance, major diseases. He does
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  Speaker 1: believe that. He thinks in the next five to 10 years,
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  Speaker 1: major diseases could be cured by AI. Economic growth rates
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  Speaker 1: could be accelerated. We could have a world of abundance
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  Speaker 1: and empowerment, and we could usher in a renaissance of
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  Speaker 1: democracy and freedom. He says he feels that. He feels that.
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  Speaker 1: He believes that. But he also says, like many technologies
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  Speaker 1: before it, AI brings risks. And because it is such
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  Speaker 1: a powerful technology, these risks are serious. I've written a
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  Speaker 1: lot about those, he says. They include the following. The
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  Speaker 1: risk of losing control of AI systems, misuse of AI
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  Speaker 1: for cyber attacks and bioterrorism, and serious economic disruption. A
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  Speaker 1: race to the bottom spurred by commercial incentives can make
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  Speaker 1: these risks more acute, he writes. So here you have
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  Speaker 1: one of the leaders in the development of artificial intelligence saying,
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  Speaker 1: the power of these systems is so immense that there
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  Speaker 1: is a lot of peril ahead if we don't do
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  Speaker 1: this in a wise way. And well, that's assuredly true.
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  Speaker 1: It has to be. I mean, clearly, each of these
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  Speaker 1: companies who are developing these amazing technologies has to realize
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  Speaker 1: that they have to do it responsibly as they develop it.
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  Speaker 1: For instance, do you want every criminal on planet Earth
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  Speaker 1: to have access to a system where they can simply
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  Speaker 1: type in a prompt and then subsequently, say, hack a
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  Speaker 1: financial system without much technical know-how to begin with? Suddenly,
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  Speaker 1: sinister forces everywhere can become hackers of the financial system.
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  Speaker 1: Or an adversary can use our AI systems to take
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  Speaker 1: down our grid, or steal our intellectual property. Can't let
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  Speaker 1: that happen. These are very, very powerful resources that should
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  Speaker 1: be wisely built. There's no question about that. But the
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  Speaker 1: question really does become like, well, then what do you
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  Speaker 1: do about it? Does it really require a government intervention
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  Speaker 1: in order for that to happen? Each of these AI
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  Speaker 1: tech companies should be responsible in terms of how they
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  Speaker 1: develop these things just as a matter of their own
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  Speaker 1: humanity for themselves. In the article, Dario Amadei writes that
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  Speaker 1: his concerns, let me pull this up. My first concern,
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  Speaker 1: he writes, he says, my first concern is that roughly
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  Speaker 1: since this summer, AI has been advancing drastically, basically very fast,
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  Speaker 1: driven primarily by AI's growing ability to build the next
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  Speaker 1: generation of AI. In other words, AI can build itself.
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  Speaker 1: This dynamic is called recursive self-improvement. And it is starting
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  Speaker 1: to happen across the industry, including at Anthropic. Left unchecked,
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  Speaker 1: it could outrun our ability to understand and control these systems.
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  Speaker 1: And so it must be pursued very carefully, if at all.
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  Speaker 1: He said his second concern is the OpenAI hugging face incident.
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  Speaker 1: You may be familiar with this. This is when a
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  Speaker 1: swarm of agents at OpenAI essentially acted as a fanatically
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  Speaker 1: devoted collective. They conducted cybersecurity attacks on targets they were
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  Speaker 1: not asked to attack and that were unrelated to the
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  Speaker 1: task at hand, sacrificing themselves for the success of the
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  Speaker 1: group and attempting to hack into the greater that was
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  Speaker 1: responsible for evaluating their performance. It's easy to dismiss the
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  Speaker 1: incident because no one was hurt and the economic damage
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  Speaker 1: was minimal. But he writes that this swarm proved that
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  Speaker 1: there could be massive catastrophic damage if this is unchecked.
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  Speaker 1: It's my worry that in six to 12 months, such
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  Speaker 1: a swarm could be capable of taking over the entire
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  Speaker 1: internet with a persistent botnet, he warns. Now, that was
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  Speaker 1: an interesting story. So in that story, that OpenAI hugging
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  Speaker 1: face story, they had, OpenAI had these bots in what
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  Speaker 1: they call a sandbox. They believed that the bots were
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  Speaker 1: essentially cut off from the actual public internet, that they
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  Speaker 1: had no way of accessing it. And then the bots
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  Speaker 1: were not supposed to be able to communicate with one another.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the bots uploaded a file to the
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  Speaker 1: system that was a form of communication to the other bots.
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  Speaker 1: The other bots saw it, and then they all began
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  Speaker 1: communicating with each other through a messaging board that they
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  Speaker 1: invented amongst themselves. I say them as if they're people,
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  Speaker 1: but again, the computers, they invented the computer programs invented
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  Speaker 1: a messaging board to have communications between these computer bots.
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  Speaker 1: And then eventually they figured out a way to hack
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  Speaker 1: into the public internet. And of course, one of the
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  Speaker 1: problems with that story is OpenAI just kind of let
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  Speaker 1: it happen. They didn't realize this was going on because
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  Speaker 1: OpenAI wasn't vigilant to this. So this was going on
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  Speaker 1: for weeks before OpenAI even detected it. So that kind
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  Speaker 1: of sounds like a human error, doesn't it? that the
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  Speaker 1: humans didn't shut down what was happening with their own
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  Speaker 1: bots that they had generated. Just to be clear on
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  Speaker 1: what precisely went down there. Now, this warning that he
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  Speaker 1: put out, he put out basically with a series of things,
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  Speaker 1: a three-step plan that he's proposing. He's got a three-step
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  Speaker 1: plan for how to handle all of this. Here's what
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  Speaker 1: he writes. And then I'll get to, in a moment,
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to all the other AI tech leaders jumping
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  Speaker 1: in on this. But but if you're seeing what you're
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  Speaker 1: seeing this morning, there's chaos in the markets over this.
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  Speaker 1: There's lots of conversation in Washington over this. This is
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  Speaker 1: the big story coming out of the weekend. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: telling you right now. He says he's proposing a three
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  Speaker 1: step plan with the goal of what he calls pacing
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  Speaker 1: the frontier pacing, you know, like a pace car in
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  Speaker 1: auto racing where everybody is moving at the same rate.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to build AI at a balanced rate that
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  Speaker 1: aims to ensure its safety while still achieving its benefits
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  Speaker 1: and grappling with important geopolitical agendas. Dilemmas, rather. To be clear,
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  Speaker 1: pacing doesn't mean halting AI, but ensuring companies take adequate
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  Speaker 1: time to align and safeguard their models and for third-party
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  Speaker 1: evaluators to confirm it. Our pacing framework is an attempt
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  Speaker 1: to further strengthen our commitment to safety and encourage a
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  Speaker 1: race to the top. So then he goes on and
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  Speaker 1: he says, here's what we're going to do. And he
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  Speaker 1: says he's voluntarily doing this at Anthropic, but he wants
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  Speaker 1: all the other companies to join him in this. And
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  Speaker 1: there's just a couple of key elements to it. I'll
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  Speaker 1: just quickly go over them without reading the whole essay
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  Speaker 1: to you. You can read the essay yourself on Dario
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  Speaker 1: Amadei's website. That's DarioAmadei.com. But here's what he writes. He
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  Speaker 1: wants slow pacing, deliberative pacing for AI. He wants third-party
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: evaluators to be inside of each of the AI companies,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: starting with Anthropic, people who are not a part of
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the company, but are given employee level access so that
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: they can be vigilant to how these companies are building
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: these models. He's calling for government regulation. And I'll get
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to that in just a moment. That's the big one.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: And you may already be on guard for what that means.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: He's calling for government regulation of artificial intelligence. He's calling
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: for industry coordination where all these companies can cooperate together.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: And he's calling for international cooperation between foreign governments that
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: have basically all of these AI companies under their countries.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: That would require the president of the United States, the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: executive branch being involved for that international coordination. These are
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: what he's calling for. And the big AI tech titans,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: all of them, including guys who hate each other, they're
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: all jumping in with their opinions and they all seem
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to agree. I'll get to that in just a moment.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: We have a lot more to discuss coming up on
• 20:38
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• 20:42
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• 20:44
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• 21:49
  Speaker 1: let's take a look at AI and what's happening here.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: So we've got Dario coming out, Dario Amede coming out
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: from Anthropic and saying, okay, this is what we need
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: to do. Now, how do the other AI guys, AI
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: titans feel about this? Within the hour, Elon Musk, who
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  Speaker 1: runs SpaceX and, of course, Grok, came out and said, quote,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Dario is right. So Elon Musk, which is a big,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: kind of a big deal, I would say. I think
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk has a lot of well-earned trust in terms
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: of wanting to protect free speech, wanting to protect open discourse,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: wanting to advance this technology and doing it with the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: interest of preserving humanity. So I would say that that's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: probably the biggest indicator of the weekend for me. that
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: there may be some merit to the claims that there
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: are deep concerns about AI that need to be mediated. Here,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Elon goes, Dario is right. And then one of Elon's enemies,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: like his arch nemesis, Sam Altman over at OpenAI, he
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: also came out yesterday, this weekend, saying that Dario, he
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: agrees with Dario that we need to pace the frontier.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And then a guy who co-founded Google's DeepMind, he's also
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Alphabet's chief scientist by the name of Demis Hassabi. I
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: may be getting the pronunciation of his name wrong, but
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: not his job. His job is with Google. He says
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: that Dario's essay points towards the right path forward. The
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: details need working through, but the direction is correct for
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: meeting this critical moment. Now, one more guy I want
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to include in this before we start making some other
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: assessments about it. And that's somebody who we know and love,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: which is Chris Pavlovsky, the CEO of Rumble. He's also
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: in the AI game at a different scale right now,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: but he's got Quake AI, Rumble does. And Chris weighs
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: in and says that Dario is spot on. Take a
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: look at this. He says, Dario is spot on. I
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: agree with him. Anthropic is doing this right. Anthropic is
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: doing this right. And that's the part I want to
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: dwell on here. Dario Amadei is at the moment volunteering
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to pace the development of Anthropic's bleeding edge artificial intelligence.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: We're going to bring in people, third party. The government's
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: not forcing him to do this. He's just doing this
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of his own volition out of a sense of responsibility
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: to humanity. Well, that makes a lot of sense. And
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: so I agree with Chris here when he says Anthropic
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: is doing this right. Here's where my guard is up
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: and where your guard should be up as well. To
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: what extent are the most powerful and wealthiest artificial intelligence
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: players on the whole planet right now trying to devise
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: a protection racket to prevent upstart AI companies from crowding
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: into their space? In other words, To what extent is
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: this an effort to build an artificial intelligence cartel? If
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: you impose government regulation on any industry, the only players
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: who can survive under the punishing extent of government regulation
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: are the ones with the money, the lawyers, and the
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: power to succeed. If you're a brand new company or
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: if you're in kind of your nascent stages, it's very
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: difficult to catch up with the big guys already, just
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: in a regular free market. But if you have a
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: government market, a government controlled market, where heavy regulation is interfering,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: it creates incumbency protection. So if your guard is up
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: right now because of that issue, well, then you're just
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a normal thinking person. You've seen this before. You've seen
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: industries exploit their relationships with the government in order to
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: crowd out the free market. And in that case, it's
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: not a free market, it's a rigged market. It is
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: very appropriate to be on guard for that. An additional
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: piece of this. Remember, the more the government is involved
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: in the regulation of artificial intelligence, you also have to
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: be concerned about the long run impacts on speech. If
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the government is dictating what's considered acceptable results from artificial intelligence,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: what AI is allowed to convey to you, what they're
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: allowed to talk about, whether AI can perceive that there
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: is a difference between men and women, or if you
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: can pretend like they can change their sexes, you know
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. If AI is prevented from telling
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you the truth by virtue of the government lording over it,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: that's a disaster of a system. So before we go
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: diving headlong into a world where the government gets a
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: say over the way AI is constructed and what's considered
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: safe and whether or not this is good for the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: American people, just remember the government on a routine basis
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: has abused its power in order to make our institutions worse.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Don't believe me? Look at higher education, so-called higher education.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Universities across our country have become dumpster fires of misinformation
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and overpriced left wing garbage because of that hand in
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: glove relationship with the government. We have to be very
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: careful when we pursue government regulation as a means to
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: address any of this. Another reason to be careful and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to be on guard for this is because what the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: hell does Congress know about this subject? Half these guys
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: don't even know how to turn on their computers. Nevertheless,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: how artificial intelligence works or should work. This is an
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: area where, again, the more you're pushing for government control,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the more I'm resisting your demands. So I am entirely,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: entirely inclined to believe that AI is a very, very
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: powerful tool that can be used for utter evil that
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: each of these companies should be on guard for. And
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: by the way, if they create an environment where people
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: are being hurt by their products, they should be sued
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: for that. There should be litigation consequences for companies that
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: lead to destruction in the United States of America. Not
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: a question at all. You should be able to understand
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the products that you're developing. If the product is outpacing
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: your understanding, you do have a problem. No question. But again,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I'm concerned about government encroachment. This is the same reason
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: that people are concerned about the flock cameras, by the way.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: One of the reasons people are concerned about flock is
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: not that they don't want to catch criminals. Of course
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: they do. It's that the government created the conditions where
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: criminals were running roughshod over the whole country. And then
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: in order to redress the problems that they created, they're
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: now saying every law-abiding citizen needs to be surveilled?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: No.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Hell no. Why don't you just enforce the law? That's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: what needs to happen here. And so on this AI stuff, again,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: are there good people who are saying we need to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: be cautious about AI and its development?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Chris Pavlovsky, Elon Musk, for sure.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: But my guard is up when I hear people demanding
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: government regulation. When you do that, I'm inclined to think
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you're just trying to create a protection racket. So this
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: is the thing that we need to be on guard for. Now,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: in the midst of all of this, China, the Chinese,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the chi-coms, are in the midst of a big AI
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: race with us. So if you listen to the president
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: this weekend or at any other time on this issue
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: of AI, He's basically been like, oh, people just need
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: to stop worrying. We need to beat China in the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: space race. That's kind of the general tenor of his
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: feeling on this subject. And he's right about that. We
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: have to beat China in the AI race because there's
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: no— in what world do you want the shy comms
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to control global knowledge? That's a disaster, a total disaster.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Can't have that happen. We've got to beat them. One
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: of the realities here is that China has been using
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: American AI in order to train its models. Did you
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: know that? The Chai comms have been secretly training their
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: AI models on American systems. Take a look at this.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: This is a CNBC report on the subject. This is
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: just from a few days ago. Well, to hell with it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I can't show you because CNBC has blocked me out.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: How about that for AI? I don't subscribe. But here's
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the headline anyway. Chinese AI labs secretly used millions of
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: clod exchanges to train their models, Anthropix says. Yeah, so
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Chinese companies are pretending like they have good AI. And instead,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: all they're doing is they're feeding a bunch of prompts
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: to American AI companies. And then they're asking the American
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: AI to break down the pattern of logic that led
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: to these conclusions. And then the Chinese models are getting
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: trained up on American technology. So the chi-coms are doing
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: it again. Once again, they're stealing intellectual property from American companies,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: innovators who created it in the first place. So part
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: of the race with China isn't actually a race at all.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: They just keep stealing from American AI because China kind
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: of sucks right now relative to American AI development. But
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: it might not be that way for long. This is
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: a very real race we have going on with China.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: And it could very much dictate the future of our planet,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: of all of humanity. So in this moment where you're
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: seeing a lot of kind of like you know, chicken little,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: people going crazy, the sky is falling. This is where
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: cooler heads need to prevail. We need to have like
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: adult conversations on this subject. The president of the United States,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: if he's going to get involved here, should probably have
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: a summit of some kind with all of the AI
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: tech leaders. Have this be as public as possible. Let
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: them discuss in public what the risks are and how
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: this works. Let's have a real conversation. instead of just
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: sprinting headlong into a regulatory framework designed to create an
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: AI cartel that in the end gets manipulated by government forces.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: At some point, maybe President Trump's not in charge, Democrats
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: run the show, and suddenly AI is designed to empower them.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Would they rig AI for their own benefit? You're damn
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: right they would. They rig elections. Why wouldn't they rig AI?
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: A lot more ahead. Speaking of rigging elections, the grand
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: conspiracy case, You've got updates on that coming up in
• 32:22
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• 35:08
  Speaker 1: conspiracy update. Let's talk about it. What the hell just happened?
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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Joe DeGeneva is out. Joe DeGeneva is out.
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  Speaker 1: It was Thursday when the news broke. And the last
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  Speaker 1: And I'm walking around Thursday with producer Jim, and we
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: run into John Solomon from Just the News. And John says, hey, Vince.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And I go, hey, man, good to see you. And
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: he's like, Joe DiGenova just resigned. And I said, no.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: He goes, yeah. I said, that's terrible news. That is
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: terrible news. And I asked him, did you write about it?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Sure enough, he did. John had just written about this
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: on the Just the News website. And here's what he wrote. Well,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: here's actually one of his writers, Misty Saveri, wrote about it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: They posted it. Justice Department Prosecutor Joe Genova abruptly resigns
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: from leading grand conspiracy probe. Now, I've told you before
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: about Joe. Joe's a patriot. just an absolute patriot. And
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I was so elated to hear that he'd be leading
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: the grand conspiracy case down in South Florida. And for
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: him to resign, that instantly triggered to me like something
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: really distressing is going on here. But I will tell you,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: as I read through this story, there may not be,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: this may not be catastrophic. This may actually be just
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: a difference in approach. And I'll explain. Just take a
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: look at this. Federal prosecutor who was tapped by Attorney
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: General Todd Blanch to supervise the grand conspiracy investigation targeting
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Obama and Biden-era officials resigned unexpectedly on Thursday. Blanch had
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: selected Joe DiGenova to lead the investigation into claims the
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Democrats have attempted to undermine President Trump and keep him
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: out of political office, treating the last decade of political
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: weaponization of law enforcement and intelligence agencies as as an
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: ongoing criminal conspiracy. And you know why this is important.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: For those of you who haven't been with us all along,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I'll just remind you, or perhaps you forgot. The reason
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: why you want to get them in an ongoing criminal
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: conspiracy is because the statute of limitations continues to run
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: from the last overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And that can be as simple as doing a media
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: interview where you deny that you did anything wrong. So
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: if James Comey comes out and goes, this is unfair,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't do anything wrong, boom, the statute of limitations
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: continues to run. And it can stretch back to the
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: beginning of the conspiracy, meaning that you could get guys
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: for the crimes committed in the 2016 election with the
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Trump-Russia collusion hoax. So the grand conspiracy case is a
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: very important construction here in order to go after all
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: of this. DeGeneva confirmed his departure in a call to CBS.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: This would have been on Thursday. He said it was
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: an honor and a privilege to serve the president and
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the department. He did not state why he was resigning.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: He did say that his wife, Victoria Tunsing, also a
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: great American, would be leaving as well on Friday. Although
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: DeGeneva did not give the reason for his departure, he
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: told the Associated Press that there was enough evidence, there
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: is enough evidence to try and prosecute people in the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: grand conspiracy cases. So Joe is saying, we've got the evidence,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: we can do this. Quote, there's plenty of evidence in
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: all of these cases to prove the theories of prosecution,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: he says. It just takes time to get there. And
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: some people want to get there a little faster than others.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: And you can't do that. Ah, now we've got something
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to deal with, to work with. Here's where the difference
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: appears to be. Joe, who again, I would say is
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: unquestionably patriotic and wants to destroy the people, and I
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: mean this in terms of having just consequences. He's not
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: trying to do anything unjust. He's pursuing justice. He wants
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: these people locked up for what they did to our country.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: He just thinks that this needs to be done correctly
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: so it sticks. You see what I'm saying? Now, you
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and I are impatient on this subject. In fact, we've
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: been maybe far too patient on this broader subject that, well,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: we'll be able to get there eventually. You know, it's 2026.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: All this crap was happening in 2016, and we're still
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: waiting on lots of these guys to be arrested, lots
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: of them, the big fish to be arrested and perp
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: walked and go through the trial and imprisoned, all of it, okay?
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: But Joe's point appears to be, we've got these guys.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I don't want them to squirm out. And if we
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: do this in a way that's too rushed or too sloppy,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: they're going to be able to walk. And I don't
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: want that to happen. This is, now I'm putting words
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: in Joe's mouth, but I'm inferring this directly from this quote. Additionally,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: we've got another report this morning. This one comes to
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: us from CNN. It just came out before the show
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: began this morning. Exclusive tense phone call and resignation upend
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Justice Department probe into Trump's top foes. Now they, they, uh, Basically,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: they're reporting, again, CNN is alleging this. Not clear to
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: what extent this is true. Take it all with a
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: grain of salt, it's CNN. But they say the Justice
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Department's push to pursue a sweeping conspiracy probe has descended
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: into turmoil and possibly new delays following Joe's resignation. Joe
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: resigned today after a tense phone call with Attorney General
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Todd Blanch. according to two people familiar with the matter.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: The final clash centered on DeGeneva's effort to block lawyers
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: dispatched by Justice Department headquarters from assisting the probe following
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: broader disagreements with top justice officials over its pace. Among
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the disputes that added to tensions between DeGeneva and his
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: bosses in Washington was DeGeneva's request for a high security
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: room known as a SCIF to be built at the
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Fort Pierce office. They wanted a place to look at
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: classified documents. The team worked in an office with a
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: special room where they could look at sensitive documents, but
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: not the highest classified. Justice Department officials told DeGeneva that
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: he and his team should just use a skiff at
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: an FBI office miles away, two people familiar with the
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: investigation told CNN. DeGeneva also pressed for more lawyers for
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: his team. Justice officials pushed back on any claims that
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: he was denied resources, according to two people familiar with
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: the investigation. For more than a year, justice officials have
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: pushed to bring the criminal charges against former CIA Director
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: John Brennan, who is accused of making false statements to Congress.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Since DeGenova joined the probe, he's chosen to pursue a
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: broader set of charges against several of Trump's political critics,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: including Brennan, who were involved in investigations of him over
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the past decade. So that's also interesting. So this is true.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: This suggests that perhaps that Joe is trying to widen
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: this to capture all of these criminals and not just
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a single one. He is not looking for onesies and twosies.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: He wants to take down the whole scheme, all of them,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: all of them. DeGeneva resigned Thursday on what was a
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: busy day for the inquiry as investigators were presenting a
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: witness for testimony to a grand jury in the probe.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: DeGeneva's abrupt departure could mean more delays in the investigation
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: that has stumbled past internal expectations of charges earlier this year.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: More recently, officials at the Justice Department have anticipated possibly
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: seeing the first charges to come as soon as this month,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: as soon as this is the month of September. With
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: DeGeneva gone, Justice Department officials feel confident in the team.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: They expect to see the momentum pick up, a U.S.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: law enforcement official said. that they decide to accelerate after
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: the onesies and the twosies rather than the big sticky
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: case that Joe DiGenova was trying to build. That could
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: be what's going on here. But to kind of just
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: set an understanding about this story, I don't think, based
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: on everything I've seen, everything I've heard, everything I've consumed,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think that the Justice Department has deep state
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: actors or something who are trying to stop Joe from
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: pursuing the bad guys. And I don't think that Joe
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: is some kind of spineless sellout who is trying to
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: avoid bringing charges. I don't think that's what we're dealing
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: with here. I think we're dealing with competing interests in
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: how to best secure charges against the people who have
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: hurt our country. That's really what it is. And if
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: that's the debate, I'm perfectly content for that to be
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the debate. That's a perfectly fine debate. Have that. And
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: it's led Joe to resign. Now, one other piece of
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: this that I think is meaningful. I've seen some people
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: claim that, oh, the Justice Department is standing in the way.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: The FBI has been standing in the way. Joe DiGenova
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: straight up said that the FBI has been wonderful. The
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Kash Patel-led FBI. Now, this is great news, too, that
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: the FBI has been great and not that surprising given
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Kash Patel's obsession with this issue. Here's NBC's reporting on
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: the subject. And here's what Joe said in the piece.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: He said, I have no doubt that I was going
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: to be able to take every one of these cases
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: across the finish line because we had put them in
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: the perfect posture to proceed, says Joe. FBI Director Kash
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Patel was, quote, absolutely superb in supporting our investigation, DeGeneva said.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: And he also praised Brett Skiles, the special agent in
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: charge of the FBI's Miami field office, as the finest
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: senior agent in charge that I've ever dealt with in
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: my years in the Justice Department. I wish everybody involved
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: in the process had been as good as the FBI.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: DeGeneva said that his time in the government only supported
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: his belief that a network of government officials did conspire
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: against Trump as he first came to power a decade ago. Quote,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: most of the information that had been previously printed in
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: the independent press about the conspiracy against the president starting
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: in 2016 was absolutely correct. Absolutely correct. In other words,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: these people broke the law, they rigged our system to
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: destroy a political opponent, and we have the evidence to
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: prove it. That's what Joe is telling us. So hold on.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Hold on. Hannah asks in the chat, why is he leaving? Again,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: it looks to me like it's just a difference in strategy.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: How to bring the charges, how to make them stick,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: how to win. That's it. How about this? Why don't
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: we put some outreach to Joe? We'll see if we
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: can't get him on the show to talk. And I'd
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: love to do that. Would you like to see that, guys? Chat,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: would you like to have Joe DeGeneva stop by? This
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: could be a good opportunity to chat with him on
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: what precisely went down, just in terms of whatever he
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: can actually share with us. He is speaking to the press.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: It would be great to talk to him. He's been
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: a friend for years, so we'll see if we can't
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: get him on the program. That would be good. We'll try.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: We'll try. We'll see. Yes, yes, yes. That's what people
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: are asking for. Well, then we're going to try. We're
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: going to do that very thing.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Now. That's a grand conspiracy update. I know everyone wanted that.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I wanted that. I wanted a grand conspiracy update. By
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the way, another sign that it's not dead. The thing
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: is very alive, and it's very busy. May it produce
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: extraordinary results very soon. Very soon. Let me see. I'm
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what else we should hit today.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: One of the things that I want to hit with
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: you is, well, actually, I should definitely do this because
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: this kind of involves me. John Cornyn, you know that
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: guy John Cornyn? John Cornyn, the fired Republican senator from
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: the state of Texas. God bless the people of Texas
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: who fired John Cornyn. John Cornyn this weekend was, first
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: of all, the reason I say it involves me is
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: because he was subtweeting me because of what I said
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: about him. And here's how it went down. John Cornyn
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: this weekend posted that J.D. Vance is an extremist, he wrote.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Do you see this tweet? Cornyn says, quote, the extremes
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: of both parties, this is a share on X, the
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: extremes of both parties, Republicans' MAGA wing, represented by J.D. Vance,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: and the progressive left, represented by Zoran Mamdani, you know,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the communist, have drawn closer to each other. Then he
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: shares a link to a Wall Street Journal article trying
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: to make this argument. Extremes?
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: What?
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: You're a sitting Republican senator calling the sitting Republican vice
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: president of the United States an extremist? What the hell
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: is wrong with you? And so that led me to
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: the most obvious conclusion ever, which is John Cornyn is
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: attacking the vice president of the United States? What the
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: hell is he doing?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: So.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I posted this. John Cornyn is now attacking the vice
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: president of the United States. Again, Texas voters made the
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: right decision. And that decision, of course, was choosing Ken
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Paxton over John Cornyn. John Cornyn's been bitter ever since,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: refuses to even lift a finger to help Ken Paxton
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: win in that race. In fact, he's been going to
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the press and crapping all over Ken Paxton, calling him
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: lazy and he's a terrible, terrible candidate.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: What?
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: And meanwhile, Cornyn has been pretending he supports the Save
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: America Act, pretending he wants Republicans to lead in the Senate,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: pretending like he wants the president's agenda to to continue
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: with greater backing, and yet he's doing nothing to achieve that.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: In fact, he's working against it, including by attacking the
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: sitting vice president of the United States, who, to be clear,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: is on our side, unlike John Cornyn. J.D. Vance is
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: a freaking star, and John Cornyn is a bitter whack job.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: So he's attacking J.D. Vance. The whole thing is crazy.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: And that led to, so the internet exploded. about this,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of action on that post over
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: the weekend. So then Cornyn, instead of like, you know,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: just directly tweeting at me, sub tweets me. And he
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: says this, one of the most counterproductive things about current
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: political discourse, especially on social media, is that when you
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: disagree with someone on a policy matter, you're accused of quote,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: attacking or disloyalty to that person, even though you mostly
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: agree on other policies. It ain't so. I'm sorry. You
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: just called the guy an extremist. You posted that the
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: vice president of the United States is extreme. What else
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: would you call that? That was not an overstatement on
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: my part. That was an accurate chat. Am I right?
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: It was an accurate assessment of what he was doing,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: a sitting senator in his own party, was doing to
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: the vice president. This is pathetic, actually. Now he doesn't
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: even have the spine to defend his original post. Pretty gross.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: And to be clear, how does the Republican Party think
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: about J.D.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Vance?
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Well, there was this moment at the convention Thursday night,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: cut to, watch this. My friends, we've got to take
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: stock of what we've accomplished. When we came into office...
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Can we please? We got to take care of business
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: this November, then we'll worry about what comes next. He
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: had a great speech on Thursday. Great speech. As the
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: crowd chants, 48, 48. John Cornyn is not chanting that.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: John Cornyn is attacking him on Twitter in the head
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: of the midterms. Meanwhile, the actual Republicans were chanting 48, 48, 48.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: JD Vance had a wonderful speech. Did you see when
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: it was disrupted by that whack job that was waving
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: a Palestinian flag and a Mexican flag at one point?
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: And then JD Vance had the dunk of the night.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I think it actually was the dunk of the entire convention.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Watch.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Here's that moment. Cut one. Watch this. So what? What
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: the people at home missed is that we just had
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: a protester interrupting us and waving the Mexican flag. Well,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: my friend, if you love Mexico so much, get your
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: ass over there. I'll buy you the plane ticket. Oh,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I'm laughing. It's just as hard as it was the
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: first time I heard it. It's so freaking funny. It
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: was great. It was really great. Did you see how
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: NBC responded to that? They thought it was a conspiracy.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: They have a conspiracy theory about this. They thought that
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: that guy was a plant. I'm serious. That the RNC,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump and J.D. Vance had planted a guy
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: in the crowd with a Palestinian and a Mexican flag.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: This is NBC News's a chief White House correspondent. His
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: name's Garrett Hack. He wrote, Vance's quippy response to a
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: protester who interrupted and threw a Mexican flag on stage
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: was so quick, it kind of makes you wonder if
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: that wasn't entirely a surprise. Yeah, that's right. They planned it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: It's so stupid. It's so catastrophically stupid. And that tweet
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: is still up, by the way. That's not even an archive.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I just clicked the live tweet and there it is.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: He's proud of it. He put a marker down because
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: he thinks it's going to come true. It was an
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: inside job. It was a false flag operation. It's so stupid.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: It's really, really extraordinary. All right. One more thing for
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: you today before we go. I got to tell you
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: about some of the developments in the Lindsay Clancy trial.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: The trial, of course, is over. It was a mistrial trial. uh,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: because the, the jury couldn't come to a conclusion. It
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: was 11 to one, 11, uh, people who wanted to get,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: let her get away with murder. And one Patriot who said,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I don't want her to get away with murder. Uh,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: she needs to be held accountable for her crimes. Uh,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: well that Patriot, we found out a lot more about him, uh,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: over the weekend. And, uh, it has been, the whole
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: thing has just been absolutely, uh, crazy. Um, Let me
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: see here. I've got here's Oprah. Oprah's audience. This is
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: this is Oprah. Oprah went to Massachusetts. Here's Oprah audience
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: saying that, you know, we need to do we don't
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: need justice. What we need is to now widen the
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: net a little bit. It shouldn't just be Lindsay Clancy
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: who can be cheered for strangling her children. We should
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: also celebrate black women who strangle their children to death.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Cut sex. Watch this.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: And the other thing that I would just be remiss
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: to not say is I I hope this never happens again.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: We know statistically it really will.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: It will.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: I want us to have the same passion for people
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: who don't look like Lindsay. Who don't have her same access.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: Who don't have her same access and education, her melanin,
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: her privilege.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: There are.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: women of color sitting around this country in prisons for
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: the same thing that we've never heard of. And I
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: just want to remind us to have the pink shirts
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: and the energy for them as well.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: We need to support black women who strangle their kids.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: This is that psycho stuff. That's psycho stuff. That's Planned
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Parenthood approved, by the way. Planned Parenthood, which is aborting
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: 40% of all black babies in the United States every year. Sinister.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely sinister. Children have been so devalued that you now
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: have entire rooms full of women applauding on national television
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: about strangling them after they're born. That's disgusting. You want
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: to talk about a real problem going on in the country?
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: That's catastrophic. That's catastrophic. And meanwhile, we got the jurors
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: from the trial keep being interviewed by the media. The
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: media is very fascinated. Why was that guy a holdout?
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Why was there a guy who was a holdout? And
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: it led to this crazy moment. This came to us
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: from CBS Mornings, where Lindsay Clancy juror Paula Devlin, thank
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: you to Curtis Howe for pulling this, is talking to
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Gayle King. Now, you'll know Gayle King, you may know,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: is Oprah Winfrey's best friend. So it's kind of interesting
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: that this clip came out within the same 24 hours.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Watch this moment on national television.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I'm curious about the jurors themselves, because we know it
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: was Nine women, three men. What was the age range?
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: What was the racial makeup? I haven't heard any of that.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: What was it? 70-ish to 22.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: And one person of color and then everybody else was white.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: A lot of the jurors had children. One person of
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: color was a person of color, a woman or a man?
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: A man.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: A man.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Is a holdout juror a person, a black man? Yes.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: A black man is a holdout juror? Yes. Well, I
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: have to sit with that for just a second.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: He's not allowed to be rational. He's not allowed to
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: be on the side of justice. His skin color dictates
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: what he should be doing, which is he should be
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: advancing injustice. That's Gail King's assessment. She couldn't even handle
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: that detail.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: What?
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: He's black? And he supports justice?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: He's a patriot. He believes in justice. Good for him.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Good for him standing up to the rest of that
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: room who was trying to browbeat him into submission. Why
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: won't you let her go? Why won't you let her go?
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I don't believe in strangling children. At one point, they
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  Speaker 1: say he even... He grabbed the bands that she used.
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  Speaker 1: I think these were exercise bands that she used to
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  Speaker 1: strangle the kids. How disgusting. And he demonstrated on a
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: water bottle to the horror of the other jurors what
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: that would look like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like i don't know why he did that to impress
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  Speaker 1: upon you that this is murder you lunatics and yet
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: he's being cast as the villain for standing up for
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: the for the lives of those children in fact uh
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: gail king was not the only one who was stunned
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  Speaker 1: by this revelation Here's like one androgynous Lindsay Clancy enthusiast
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  Speaker 1: over on TikTok going crazy about this. Cut to having
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: a watch.
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  Speaker 3: The holdout during the Lindsay Clancy trial was a black man.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not going to share any opinions because I'm
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  Speaker 3: not a person of color. I am a non-practicing white.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised.
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  Speaker 3: It changes the landscape of the conversation a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: And I think a lot of us were assuming that
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  Speaker 3: it was a white man.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: She's a non-practicing. He? Is it she?
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: He?
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a non-practicing white. You hear that?
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not practicing anymore. I've perfected it. It's so crazy.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: And so the left is going crazy over this. And
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: now the hit pieces are coming out. You seen this?
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  Speaker 1: Now NBC Boston is posting hit pieces about this dude.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: The holdout juror in the Lindsay Clancy trial had a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: history of domestic violence allegations. The NBC 10 Boston investigators
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: have learned through court documents and interviews with family members.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Read the full investigation here. What? So now you're trying
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: to dig up dirt on this guy in order to
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: destroy him? To make the case, you know what this is,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: is to make the case that that women deserve to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: be able to strangle their children without criminal consequence. That's insane.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: You're insane. There is a sickness that exists that pervades
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: this entire story. I don't care if the majority of
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: the jurors are engaged in this mass psychosis. It's a problem.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: It's a problem. It's evil is what it is. And
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: now you have the media trying to jump in in
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: order to hurt this guy? That guy's a patriot. Good
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: for him for standing up for what is right, even
• 1:01:19
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• 1:01:22
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• 1:01:26
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