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Gordie Chiesa Hour on the NBA and March Madness, What the Jazz young guys have to play for, Playoff races + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: He said, let's get the latest called the Utah Jazz
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Speaker 1: with former Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more
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Speaker 1: about the NBA than any of us will ever know.
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Speaker 2: Let's not get crazy.
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Speaker 3: Come for the hoops talk, stay for his list of
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Speaker 3: the day and this today here's oc with basketball sob
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Speaker 3: on Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell show.
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Speaker 4: Com on Welcome in Gordy Chiazza, our resident NBA guru
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Speaker 4: here in studio with us on ESPN seven hundred, didn't
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Speaker 4: it nine, Gordy, long time, no see it's been.
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Speaker 5: Thirteen hours.
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Speaker 6: Yes, very much. And showing last night we were together
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Speaker 6: at the Delta Center. Shown was a lister. I'm a
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Speaker 6: d lister and it did work out though, and walkin
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Speaker 6: Scalley was down in case o Utah football fans. Walgan
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Speaker 6: was there sitting in front row where he deserves to be.
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Speaker 6: Sean I was sending up in the high rafters where
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Speaker 6: we deserve to be. That's you know what I mean. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: you talk about real A listers.
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Speaker 7: You got Morgan and Spence Ecles down there court side,
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Speaker 7: and then you got me and Gordy up there in
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Speaker 7: the nosebleeds.
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Speaker 6: However, our humble beginning, Sean and I, we had a
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Speaker 6: good time enjoying it. And more importantly, the Jazz were
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Speaker 6: competitive again. I know it sounds there's definitely there's ray
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Speaker 6: of hope. Certainly the Jazz played a hard fourth game.
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Speaker 6: Nuggets had to win, and they did. Jamal Murray was
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Speaker 6: absolutely spectacular for the Nuggets point of view, Hey, Sean,
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Speaker 6: give me the hot sauce.
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Speaker 2: Will you please on my food?
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Speaker 6: Because Jamal Murray last night thirty seven points, twelve for
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Speaker 6: sixteen overall, ten for sixteen from three point range and
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Speaker 6: including a possibly a walking violation half court shot where
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Speaker 6: he took an extra step at the end of the
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Speaker 6: first quarter and made it. Maybe they made the shot
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Speaker 6: go win and he had it rolling last night. And
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Speaker 6: Nikolai Jokic was his sixth time in the last seven
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Speaker 6: games a triple double fifteen points, seven boards, and twelve assists. However,
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Speaker 6: he has six turnovers, which was a longing. And the
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Speaker 6: Nuggets they are a tremendous team, but they've got to
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Speaker 6: play better defense, Sewan. So that's very never because the
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Speaker 6: last night's game, just generally speaking, they've got to get
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Speaker 6: better defensively with a more of a focus, but a
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Speaker 6: Jazz point of view. Quickly, cal Philipowski, do you realize this,
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Speaker 6: Sean and James and all listeners that Philipowski's averaged twenty
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Speaker 6: points a game, ten rebounds, six assists in the last
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Speaker 6: four games, including last night twenty five points, pro rebounds
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Speaker 6: and three assists. So cal Filipowski in that role right now.
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Speaker 6: So next year rolls India altered, but he can play
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Speaker 6: in the NBA and be off the bench contributor.
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Speaker 5: I'm glad you mentioned Jokich.
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Speaker 7: I mean, there's a lot of people in the building
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Speaker 7: last night to see some you know, one of the greats.
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Speaker 7: He's gonna be one of the all time greats when
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Speaker 7: it's all said and done. A lot of people in
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Speaker 7: the building, even Jazz fans, are like, I gotta go
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Speaker 7: a Nuggets game see somebody like that play.
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Speaker 5: And we were talking.
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Speaker 7: He had this beautiful no look pass all the way
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Speaker 7: across court into the corner for a three point shot.
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Speaker 7: That is just unnatural for a big man to have
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Speaker 7: that kind of court vision and timing and things like
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Speaker 7: that on his passes. And that's part of the reason
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Speaker 7: he had twelve assists.
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Speaker 5: In this game.
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Speaker 7: Later, after you and I had separated, he had a
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Speaker 7: play that was on the exact.
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Speaker 5: Opposite end of the spectrum for me.
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Speaker 7: And I want to know how you handle this if
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Speaker 7: you're a Nuggets coach and if you're a Nuggets teammate. Look,
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Speaker 7: I don't think the outcome of this game was really
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Speaker 7: in doubt for most people. But you know, the Jazz
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Speaker 7: were rallying in the fourth quarter. They were playing hard,
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Speaker 7: they were they were hustling. Yokish made this like horrifically
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Speaker 7: bad outlet pass after a rebound, and I think it
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Speaker 7: was sensible. He just threw it to the opposition, right,
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Speaker 7: and fine, that happens.
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Speaker 5: Whatever.
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Speaker 7: When you're better more than when you're good more than
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Speaker 7: you're bad, you can deal with the turnover here and again.
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Speaker 5: But then he groaned. He just put his arms and
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Speaker 5: he stood there, Gordy.
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Speaker 7: His feet did not move again after he threw the
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Speaker 7: turnover pass, and the Jazz just fast break right behind
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Speaker 7: him and score a bucket. And he's standing there looking
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Speaker 7: at the jumbo tron lamenting his bad pass instead of
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Speaker 7: trying to correct the mistake. And I was like that
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Speaker 7: that is bad body language. That is a bad example
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Speaker 7: of how you're supposed to play basketball. No doubt, he's
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Speaker 7: one of the best in the game, one of the
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Speaker 7: best in the world, one of the best ever when
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Speaker 7: it's all said and done, Like I just mentioned, but
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Speaker 7: that right there, how do you react to it if
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Speaker 7: you're on his team and you're his coach, I couldn't
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Speaker 7: believe we saw that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, disappointment first and disappointing. But here's the thing about it,
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Speaker 6: teaching point. When you inbound the ball, don't throw the
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Speaker 6: ball blindly inside the first thing. Inbound the ball, always
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Speaker 6: with two hands. So Sewan, if you had a faked
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Speaker 6: the ball still in your hand, he did one like this.
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Speaker 2: He non shown.
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Speaker 6: I threw the ball into the wrong team sense the ball,
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Speaker 6: who was very alert sent the ball. Also, if he
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Speaker 6: knows what he did, he was crouched, he was low
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Speaker 6: and so he didn't see him meaning yokage, and he
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Speaker 6: threw the ball with one hand versus two, and that
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Speaker 6: was a steal. That's bad. The worst part about it,
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Speaker 6: Your point is well taken. Where he had cement feet,
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Speaker 6: he'd even move. He didn't even try to make a
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Speaker 6: play on the ball to try to recofire it. At
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Speaker 6: that moment he was playing backwards instead of forward. And
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Speaker 6: even the great players like Yogage, they do that. It's
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Speaker 6: uncalled for, it's unnecessary. I'm sure they'll show that in
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Speaker 6: the film today, as far as far as the session
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Speaker 6: to show to teach everybody inbound the ball not blindly
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Speaker 6: but with two hands. Since it bob he was alert.
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Speaker 6: He made a good play on the ball, and it
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Speaker 6: really it kept the Jazz momentum going. That game was
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Speaker 6: hard for it till even till the end, and the
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Speaker 6: last two and half minutes of the game that's when
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Speaker 6: they that's when they Nuggets subbed out. So you can
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Speaker 6: learn from it. No one's perfect, but the better teams
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Speaker 6: have less. And I called that self inflicted turnovers. Sure
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Speaker 6: it wasn't the defense, it's him.
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Speaker 7: So John Conchard was hustling all over the place last night, right,
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Speaker 7: good to see.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 7: I think the fans reacted well to it. Obviously, you
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Speaker 7: know there's some uh, there's some Jazz fans, especially in
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Speaker 7: the building that reward effort. Teams down like twelve conchars,
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Speaker 7: makes a hustle, play steel and everyone gets on their feet.
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Speaker 7: It's like, I was truly impressed last night with the
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Speaker 7: fans as much as I was with the Jazz team.
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Speaker 7: But for a guy like Conchar, he's not getting a
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Speaker 7: lot of minutes in a normal season, He's not getting
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Speaker 7: a lot of minutes on a normal team that's not
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Speaker 7: in a tank. These minutes that he's showing that kind
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Speaker 7: of effort, he's showing that good stuff. What could it
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Speaker 7: do for him as his NBA career moves forward with
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Speaker 7: the Jazz or without right, because he's not going to
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Speaker 7: play twenty nine minutes in an average NBA game probably
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Speaker 7: ever when a team's trying to win. But when you're
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Speaker 7: putting good tape out there in these tanking efforts, what
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Speaker 7: does it do for a player?
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Speaker 6: It's his value. So all the teams are watching the
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Speaker 6: players perform, especially on a non winning team's end of
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Speaker 6: the season. Who plays to win? Who plays for themselves?
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Speaker 6: And Conchar plays for the group. And that's why he's
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Speaker 6: an impressive guy in that role. And that's the key
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Speaker 6: word as far as what is his role for the Jazz.
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Speaker 6: His contract is team friendly, showing it's six point six
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Speaker 6: point five five million next year, it's guaranteed in the
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Speaker 6: in the in the NBA lexicon. That's very good contract
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Speaker 6: for the Jazz, and so I'm assuming that they'll keep
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Speaker 6: them here unless there's some sort of mega trade showing
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Speaker 6: on July first. With uh, we'll say Walker Kessler, where
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Speaker 6: the Jazz might say, say, hypothetically, just sign and trade
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Speaker 6: him with other pieces they add another really another elite
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Speaker 6: star player. So Conchart would be valuable with other teams
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Speaker 6: also with the Jazz. In that role, he's he'll excel
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Speaker 6: in it. He hustles. They're nothing like guys that play hard.
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Speaker 6: You know, I asked this question playing hard is a
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Speaker 6: skill just like shooting, dribbling, passing, rebounding. Because it wasn't
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Speaker 6: a skill, everyone would happen. And that's why John Contard
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Speaker 6: those guys are valuable to the Jazz in particular, but
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Speaker 6: other teams also. They add value every day, and that
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Speaker 6: you want to do is a professional athlete, you want
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Speaker 6: to add value to your resume of why you should
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Speaker 6: have me on your team and on your roster.
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Speaker 7: One more home game this season for the Utah Jazz.
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Speaker 7: It's Houston, Oklahoma City, New Orleans on the road. They're
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Speaker 7: back home April tenth against Memphis. Then they finish on
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Speaker 7: the road against the Lakers. That So you've got one
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Speaker 7: more home game, and I mean, I imagine that home game
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Speaker 7: is gonna look like a lot of the games that
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Speaker 7: the Delta Center did this year. But what's the mentality
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Speaker 7: of a coaching staff, staple on the team, maybe even
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Speaker 7: you know, members of the front office, knowing that you're
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Speaker 7: gonna shut the lights out for one last time against Memphis,
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Speaker 7: But then when you flip them back on again next year,
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Speaker 7: everyone's gonna expect you to win instead of what these
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Speaker 7: last four years have looked like. So what does that
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Speaker 7: Memphis game look like?
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Speaker 6: With all that in mind, One the finale of this season,
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Speaker 6: and two we're going to get it. We're gonna start
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Speaker 6: over fresh, starting literally when the players leave exit the
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Speaker 6: locker room. I say this all the time. It's very
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Speaker 6: interesting that these same fifteen players will never be in
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Speaker 6: the same locker room, Sean and maybe in the same
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Speaker 6: state ever again together. It's pretty powerful that these guys
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Speaker 6: were your teammates and floormates and you might never see
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Speaker 6: them again literally in the same room as a collective group.
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Speaker 6: So from managing point of view, they're going to thank
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Speaker 6: all the players for their efforts. They're going to talk
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Speaker 6: to the players about what they should work on. Most times,
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Speaker 6: usually speaking Seowan, with a young team, the management and
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Speaker 6: the workout people give the team to give the players
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Speaker 6: usually three weeks on their own. So for example, they
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Speaker 6: wouldn't start working guys out until probably we'll say early
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Speaker 6: May May tenth, May fifteenth, right around there, and then
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Speaker 6: it'll start again as far as with their core group
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Speaker 6: as far as keep working them out, as far as
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Speaker 6: trying to improve their skill level. Because where the NBA
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Speaker 6: calendar is that the playoffs starts showing on Saturday, April eighteenth,
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Speaker 6: and the playing tournament starts on Tuesday, April fourteenth to Friday,
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Speaker 6: April seventeenth. But in jazz basketball Sewan, this is Mother's Day,
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Speaker 6: and sure I know everybody loves their mother, whether than
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Speaker 6: heaven or not. Right now is that Sunday May tenth,
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Speaker 6: But in jazz basketball, that's the NBA Draft lottery selection order,
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Speaker 6: So that's when the Jazz find out when they are picking,
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Speaker 6: and that's going to be a huge factor as far
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Speaker 6: as that. So management is going to work with the
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Speaker 6: players as far as what they have to work on.
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Speaker 6: The coaches get also well deserved rest for a few weeks.
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Speaker 6: Then everybody in the personal side is going to start
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Speaker 6: evaluating the draft.
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Speaker 5: All right.
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Speaker 7: We've got Gordi Chiasa all the way until about twelve thirty,
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Speaker 7: so I'm going to try to stay on our clocks,
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Speaker 7: maybe for the first time in several months. Plenty more
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Speaker 7: to talk about in the NBA. We had a revelation.
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Speaker 7: We gave some sound to you yesterday about tom Izzo
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Speaker 7: talking with its sons about a head coaching job. Plenty
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Speaker 7: of things that we need to pick Gordy's brain about,
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Speaker 7: So don't go anywhere. You listened to the Sean O'Connell
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Speaker 7: We got Prince bringing us back in on the radio.
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Speaker 7: We've got Brett Hart. Oh that's not brtent Hart. Who's
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Speaker 7: Brett Michaels. We got Brett Michaels on the Pat McAfee
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Speaker 7: show on the TV in front of us. Apparently he's
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Speaker 7: performing live at the end NFL Draft. I want to
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Speaker 7: know how many guys that are being drafted into the
13:05
Speaker 7: NFL have ever even heard of Brett Michaels.
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Speaker 5: What a wild What a wild choice by the NFL.
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Speaker 5: Shout out to Rock.
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Speaker 7: Of Love, that weird dating reality show that he did
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Speaker 7: a long time ago.
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Speaker 5: It would have been twenty ish years ago now.
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Speaker 7: Fantastic stuff, all right, Gordy Chase is here in studio
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Speaker 7: with Hare's plenty more NBA to get to. But we
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Speaker 8: He's had a bit of a rough go of it here,
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Speaker 8: at least in the first round. He's not just in
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Speaker 7: up and down the Wassas front. Tell him OC and
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Speaker 7: Gordy sent you here. In studio with us, tom Izzo
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Speaker 7: said that he and Matt Ishbia had some serious conversations
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Speaker 7: about Izzo jumping to the pro ranks and taking the
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Speaker 7: Phoenix Sun's job. It's always revisionist history when you hear
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Speaker 7: about these things after the fact.
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Speaker 5: But yeah, what do you think of that possibility, Gordon.
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Speaker 6: Well, the first thing is that Matt played for Tom
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Speaker 6: Misso back in two thousand as a walk on player,
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Speaker 6: so he's Tom coached them in college, and it could
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Speaker 6: have happened that. I'm sure the job was offered. They
15:35
Speaker 6: get the job to Jordan Ott, who's done a tremendous
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Speaker 6: job for the Suns. The Suns right now of forty
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Speaker 6: two and thirty four and they're the seventy seed trying
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Speaker 6: to climb into the sixty for the playoffs. All right,
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Speaker 6: So this is the great debates shown for the last
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Speaker 6: fifty years. Why does so few college coaches do well
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Speaker 6: when they get a job as a head coach in
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Speaker 6: the NBA? And I listed this five reasons why. One
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Speaker 6: is the length of schedule. There's eighty two games, and
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Speaker 6: these games, or most of them, are absolutely grueling, and
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Speaker 6: so there's no letup. It is a marathon, it is
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Speaker 6: not a sprint. And so college coaches most times now
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Speaker 6: in this generation, we roughly thirty five to thirty seven games,
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Speaker 6: but eighty two games plus usually there's a six preseason games,
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Speaker 6: so we're talking eighty eight games, and if you're a
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Speaker 6: good team, you go into the playoffs, usually playing ninety
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Speaker 6: games one time, showing in jazz basketball the just played
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Speaker 6: back in nineteen ninety seven season. In nineteen ninety eight,
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Speaker 6: we played one hundred and ten games the whole each season,
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Speaker 6: one hundred and ten, which shows you how crazy it is.
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Speaker 6: So the length of schedule is a factor as far
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Speaker 6: as coaching adjusting as far as college coach. The second
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Speaker 6: one is team practices. So you practice absolutely way a
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Speaker 6: lot more, but also the practices aren't as long cause
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Speaker 6: there's so much physical wear and tear on the players
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Speaker 6: that as a college coach, you've got to rejudge your
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Speaker 6: mentality where practice is so important it is, but you
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Speaker 6: can't have it for long practices because the players they're
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Speaker 6: they're mentally and physically, you've got to keep their energy
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Speaker 6: up as far as playing. The next one is with
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Speaker 6: that also said, now you're in charge of roughly of
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Speaker 6: twenty five people around you in the program, meaning assistant coaches,
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Speaker 6: video people, the medical staff, as far as trainers, and
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Speaker 6: now you've got to understand that each each one has
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Speaker 6: a different component how they view how they view it,
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Speaker 6: and you're in charge of them. So that's a factor
17:41
Speaker 6: as far as how do you temper them as far
17:43
Speaker 6: as getting everybody on the same part of it. Next
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Speaker 6: part travel plane rights, that you're absolutely you live on
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Speaker 6: a plane, and that you've got to understand about the mentality.
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Speaker 6: There's the rigors of travel. Shall you travel internationally? You
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Speaker 6: know what it's like. Picture being an MBA player where
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Speaker 6: you're a star player. Say Victor wen beyonmber all right,
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Speaker 6: whose body frame is angular with those high hips and
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Speaker 6: he's playing will say four games and seven days and
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Speaker 6: including of three plane rights. And that you that you
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Speaker 6: can't practice hard with those people, and you've got to
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Speaker 6: give it the proper rest, both mentally and physically. And
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Speaker 6: the last part about it, as far as the fifth
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Speaker 6: reason why or often head coaches in college don't make
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Speaker 6: really successful pro coaches, is that, oh, by the way,
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Speaker 6: in college, you're the star of the organ of the franchise.
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Speaker 6: You need the team, you're the head coach. But in
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Speaker 6: the NBA there's only one star, and that's the players,
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Speaker 6: those two or three main guys in your team. They
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Speaker 6: are the stars of the team. Jerry Stone used to
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Speaker 6: say this all time shown and a perfect NBA team
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Speaker 6: would be the team is NBA champions. The photo of
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Speaker 6: the team is the twelve players and no coaches in
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Speaker 6: the photo.
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Speaker 2: No coaching. Yes, Sean said it for decades.
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Speaker 5: I believe it. I've read it. He said that. But
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Speaker 5: coaching matters.
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Speaker 6: It does matter. But with the star players, give them
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Speaker 6: their due. So the team photo NBA champions it's just
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Speaker 6: the players, not the coaches involved. That's a mentality you
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Speaker 6: have to readjust some say I understand it, but they don't.
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Speaker 6: The most recent one right now is Billy Donovan. So
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Speaker 6: Billy Donovan, who I coach that Providence so I know
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Speaker 6: since he's twenty years young. He's been reported Sean right
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Speaker 6: now to be the coach of the North conn of
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Speaker 6: tar Heels. He's denying it.
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Speaker 2: I get it.
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Speaker 6: I understand. You have to on the contract with the Bulls.
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Speaker 6: The Bulls right now are heading to the fourth straight
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Speaker 6: losing season. Even though Billy Donovan is a good coach,
19:56
Speaker 6: back to back championships at the Florida Gators six and
19:59
Speaker 6: oh seven. But I get Hirst hired by the Carolina
20:02
Speaker 6: tar Heels. Even Billy would say that it's a tough
20:07
Speaker 6: adjustment going from college basketball. Even though you coach a
20:10
Speaker 6: lot of guys, they're gonna be in the pros on
20:12
Speaker 6: you in your college team. It's the whole thing around
20:15
Speaker 6: you that's overwhelming.
20:18
Speaker 7: Gordy, how much variation is there still in today's NBA
20:21
Speaker 7: around how teams manage all that stuff you just mentioned, right,
20:26
Speaker 7: the workload, the travel, you know, the I guess, the
20:30
Speaker 7: dynamics between player and coaches. We have so much history
20:34
Speaker 7: now in the NBA of what has worked and whose
20:37
Speaker 7: philosophies have worked. You would think that if you got
20:39
Speaker 7: a head coaching job in the NBA, you just be like,
20:42
Speaker 7: all right, I'm going to replicate as much of what
20:45
Speaker 7: Greg Popovich did as possible. I'm gonna do as much
20:47
Speaker 7: of what Phil Jackson did or Jerry Sloan did as possible.
20:50
Speaker 7: How uniform is it from team to team, coach to
20:53
Speaker 7: coach that you handle all these things, these logistics and
20:57
Speaker 7: the practices and the shoot arounds in a say, in
21:01
Speaker 7: a similar fashion.
21:04
Speaker 6: Well, the coach in college was successful doing it a
21:07
Speaker 6: certain way, and it's hard to have people alter some
21:13
Speaker 6: of their success by giving it by by a different
21:18
Speaker 6: level now. And so they they say often that I'll adjust,
21:23
Speaker 6: but sometimes it takes them a year or two to adjust,
21:26
Speaker 6: and by that time Sean, they've lost part of their
21:28
Speaker 6: star players as far as believing in them. And that's
21:31
Speaker 6: why it gets very interesting. So you've it's better to
21:33
Speaker 6: be over ready shown any job than to be underready.
21:37
Speaker 6: And that's why it's it's critical that you that they
21:41
Speaker 6: hired people that have been at the level most times, Sean,
21:44
Speaker 6: I say this often, whether it was a college coach
21:47
Speaker 6: or with the the NBA, is that when you hire
21:50
Speaker 6: somebody for a new job, you get hired to be
21:52
Speaker 6: a head coach in the say college basketball, you're only
21:56
Speaker 6: allowed to hire I say, only one person that wasn't
22:00
Speaker 6: at that level to begin with. So if you're a
22:03
Speaker 6: college coach, will say Alex Jensen, there's there's some terrific
22:07
Speaker 6: high school coach out there that you really think is
22:10
Speaker 6: a tremendous coach. Great, hire them junior college coach and
22:14
Speaker 6: or hire them. But you've got to hire the other
22:17
Speaker 6: three or four people that are full time. They have
22:20
Speaker 6: to ready be at that at that level already to
22:23
Speaker 6: be hit the floor running that if there's if it's
22:26
Speaker 6: a steep learning curve, it affects everybody in the NBA.
22:30
Speaker 6: The sanding Also, you're a star player, you become a
22:34
Speaker 6: head coach in the NBA. So like Jason Kidd, who
22:37
Speaker 6: also coached when I coached the Nets, is that his
22:39
Speaker 6: first job was with with the Milwaukee then the Nets
22:43
Speaker 6: and then the Mavericks, and so we had to hire
22:46
Speaker 6: people around him that were assistant coaches that were already
22:49
Speaker 6: in the NBA. From a coaching philosophy that you know,
22:54
Speaker 6: these drills that we've always do all the time, I
22:56
Speaker 6: think they're successful. Whatever drills are as far the teaching
23:00
Speaker 6: opponent of it. And then also understanding the length of
23:04
Speaker 6: the game, that the game is much longer than college basketball,
23:09
Speaker 6: so you've got to understand the dynamics of it. It's
23:12
Speaker 6: really it's really humbling Sean about how about in the NFL.
23:17
Speaker 7: First time coach, Oh, this is okay, So we've talked
23:22
Speaker 7: about this. This is being a coordinator, first time being
23:25
Speaker 7: a coordinator, first time being an NFL coach, first time
23:29
Speaker 7: being a position coach in the NFL. You get these
23:33
Speaker 7: it's the ladder that most people have to climb, right,
23:35
Speaker 7: but oftentimes not all that often you'll get a college
23:40
Speaker 7: coach who gets the opportunity you think they should keep
23:44
Speaker 7: mostly an NFL staff, Yes, don't bring the guys that
23:49
Speaker 7: were with you in college that helped you be successful
23:51
Speaker 7: in college, because it's that different of a dynamic with
23:54
Speaker 7: pro athletes.
23:55
Speaker 6: Yes, you can hurry only a few, but not, don't
23:58
Speaker 6: bring the whole staff. Do not do not even though
24:01
Speaker 6: you feel much more comfortable. Again, is that it's cruel
24:05
Speaker 6: professional sports? You know, they say, we'll be patient. Oh really,
24:09
Speaker 6: we'll be patient. Oh really, we'll be patient until why
24:12
Speaker 6: you're suddenly suddenly why that that you're you're not winning
24:16
Speaker 6: and you think you should. And the reason why is
24:18
Speaker 6: because you don't understand and implement the dynamics of what
24:22
Speaker 6: it takes to one at that level. Even though it's
24:25
Speaker 6: still the same game of word that it's still the
24:28
Speaker 6: same port of sport, but not the same game. It's
24:32
Speaker 6: much faster more in the NBA basketball, it's much faster,
24:36
Speaker 6: it's more physical. There's there's better players around you showing
24:40
Speaker 6: often in the In the NBA, most of the young
24:43
Speaker 6: star players never heard of the guys of the team's
24:46
Speaker 6: bench players, and they can't believe how good that guy was.
24:49
Speaker 6: That guy's really good. Where did he play at? What
24:51
Speaker 6: school did he go at? Where's he from? And then
24:54
Speaker 6: so you play against him and he realizes, wait a second,
24:57
Speaker 6: this guy is coming after me.
24:59
Speaker 7: So I'm looking at to compare and contrast and try
25:04
Speaker 7: to illustrate your point. I was like, Okay, famous college
25:08
Speaker 7: coach got an NFL job. What did his staff look like? Right,
25:13
Speaker 7: the one with the most obvious local connections. When Urban
25:15
Speaker 7: Meyer had his failed experiment in the NFL, What did
25:18
Speaker 7: his staff look like? And he was about fifty to
25:21
Speaker 7: fifty So he probably brought in too many college coaches
25:24
Speaker 7: in your opinion, probably interesting.
25:26
Speaker 6: Yeah, probably, because again, Sean, the learning curve is steep.
25:32
Speaker 5: Yeah, even though you.
25:33
Speaker 6: Know the game like you do know the game, you
25:36
Speaker 6: know football, you know basketball, but there's this different dynamics involved,
25:42
Speaker 6: and the other guys you play against are always good.
25:47
Speaker 6: There's no letup, Sean, Like last night you and I
25:50
Speaker 6: were together. You can make a narrative if the Jazz
25:54
Speaker 6: made a few more defensive stops and wasn't Jamal Murray
25:58
Speaker 6: having a heat wave game, the Jazz with their ten
26:02
Speaker 6: day contract guys could have won that game. If three
26:06
Speaker 6: or four things went their way tilted their way during
26:09
Speaker 6: the game, suddenly the Nuggets would lose that game. An
26:12
Speaker 6: illustration is that even with lesser teams and guys that
26:18
Speaker 6: really aren't on everybody's radar, they're still good players and
26:23
Speaker 6: that's what's so humbling about it.
26:26
Speaker 5: All Right, we gotta take a break.
26:28
Speaker 7: Gordy's with us for another twenty seven minutes, so we're
26:30
Speaker 7: gonna maximize that as much as we can. It's the
26:33
Speaker 7: Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven.
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Speaker 3: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the
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Speaker 5: All right.
26:57
Speaker 7: One of the many reasons I love talking to Gordy
26:59
Speaker 7: Gia says.
27:00
Speaker 5: He always brings a different angle to look at things.
27:03
Speaker 7: He always brings in something that we haven't considered, whether
27:06
Speaker 7: it's in basketball or elsewhere. During the break, we were
27:08
Speaker 7: just talking about the NFL head coaching world. And you've
27:16
Speaker 7: got a first year head coach this year with the
27:20
Speaker 7: Cleveland Browns, who Todd Munkin is the first time head
27:25
Speaker 7: coach at age fifty nine when he was hired. It'll
27:28
Speaker 7: be sixty when he coaches his first NFL game. A
27:30
Speaker 7: longtime assistant, right, And you're like, oh, well, why wouldn't
27:34
Speaker 7: the NFL hire more guys that are experienced like this, well,
27:38
Speaker 7: you're either like a career assistant and you can work
27:41
Speaker 7: in the league until you're in your seventies, or you're
27:44
Speaker 7: given head coaching opportunities when you're young. For the most part,
27:48
Speaker 7: and actually the individuals who have been hired for the
27:53
Speaker 7: first time head coaching opportunity after age fifties, so you're
27:56
Speaker 7: an over fifty rookie. Only three of those guys in
28:02
Speaker 7: the NFL have finished their careers as head coaches with
28:06
Speaker 7: winning records. The combined win total regular season win total
28:10
Speaker 7: for all these fifty year old coaching rookies is three
28:14
Speaker 7: hundred and thirty three wins four hundred and twenty four losses,
28:17
Speaker 7: a forty four percent win percentage, which is obviously below
28:21
Speaker 7: the standard that you want for an NFL franchise.
28:23
Speaker 6: So interesting it always is, and it tells his story,
28:28
Speaker 6: and that's why franchise is always trying to do both
28:34
Speaker 6: hire that younger assistant coach and promote him because he's
28:40
Speaker 6: a great communicator or the older veteran that's been around
28:44
Speaker 6: for a long time but isn't totally set in his ways,
28:48
Speaker 6: and that is more steadiness about him as far as
28:52
Speaker 6: personality I just described right now, really showing Michigan football
28:57
Speaker 6: right now.
28:58
Speaker 5: They did.
28:59
Speaker 6: They hired they a Hi Kyle who is absolutely steady.
29:02
Speaker 6: What you see is what you get. There's no absolutely
29:06
Speaker 6: gray area, and Michigan is all on about that. Because
29:10
Speaker 6: of the previous coach it didn't work out some self
29:13
Speaker 6: inflicted you know.
29:14
Speaker 7: I was talking with an assistant coach at the University
29:17
Speaker 7: of Utah Tuesday's practice and we were talking about the
29:19
Speaker 7: stylistic differences, and you know, he kind of had a
29:23
Speaker 7: laugh about what Morgan Scalley just has to do so
29:27
Speaker 7: much on his plate now, and he was like, I
29:29
Speaker 7: could never do. And I was like, well, hold on,
29:30
Speaker 7: you're probably going to be a head coach someday.
29:33
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, I guess so. And that's someone who's
29:37
Speaker 5: right now.
29:37
Speaker 7: In college football, it's shifted very very young, right, So
29:42
Speaker 7: you're talking about when you round into like your mid thirties,
29:47
Speaker 7: you're probably starting the campaign for head coaching opportunities. It
29:50
Speaker 7: used to be mid forties or fifties before you got those.
29:53
Speaker 7: This is a guy that's now in his mid forties,
29:56
Speaker 7: and I'm like, man, I've watched his entire career and
29:59
Speaker 7: I thought someday he's going to be a head coach.
30:01
Speaker 7: And I'm looking at it now and be like, you're
30:02
Speaker 7: about to age out of having a first time head
30:05
Speaker 7: coaching opportunity.
30:06
Speaker 5: He's never been a head coach before.
30:08
Speaker 7: I was like, that's actually pretty crazy because as a
30:11
Speaker 7: human being, he's still a young person.
30:12
Speaker 5: He's a young guy. He's got all his life left,
30:14
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
30:15
Speaker 7: But in the coaching world, we've swung so young now
30:20
Speaker 7: that if you don't have that first time head coaching
30:22
Speaker 7: opportunity when you're in your mid forties, you're starting to
30:27
Speaker 7: be the upper end of that that spectrum.
30:30
Speaker 2: You mentioned before.
30:31
Speaker 6: The average agent NFL head coach right now is age
30:34
Speaker 6: forty seven. Yeah, and so this shows you that that's
30:37
Speaker 6: a young person. Age forty seven, however, probably has at
30:41
Speaker 6: least minimum twenty five years of experience as far as
30:47
Speaker 6: coaching football or coaching basketball. Sure, so you're twenty two
30:51
Speaker 6: to twenty three years old, you didn't didn't play in
30:53
Speaker 6: the NFL, or didn't play over, didn't play in the
30:56
Speaker 6: Canadian League and the NBA, didn't play in Europe, and
30:59
Speaker 6: still the start your coaching Korea as far as learning
31:03
Speaker 6: the craft coaching is a craft. You know, there's like,
31:06
Speaker 6: there's no place to go to learn how to be
31:08
Speaker 6: a coach. You realize that there's no Okay, I'm gonna
31:11
Speaker 6: major in coaching in college? Really like what what? What
31:16
Speaker 6: school has that? And so it's really trial by error.
31:19
Speaker 6: And the more people you work with when you're a
31:22
Speaker 6: younger person in the profession, you get a whole galaxy
31:27
Speaker 6: of things that you that you like or you don't like,
31:31
Speaker 6: and that's why. And later on you take for everybody
31:35
Speaker 6: what you learned about and put your own recipe for success.
31:39
Speaker 7: All Right, I'm gonna ask you an unfair question right now.
31:41
Speaker 7: Right you get dropped into a team president, team owner,
31:45
Speaker 7: general manager role, whatever they say, Gordy, we need to
31:48
Speaker 7: hire a new head coach, and we've got these two
31:51
Speaker 7: candidates for you. One of them played ten years in
31:55
Speaker 7: the NBA or professionally if you want to say Europe,
31:57
Speaker 7: that's fine, and he's been coaching for ten years since
32:01
Speaker 7: playing for ten years. The other guy started off as
32:04
Speaker 7: a coach and only a coach. They played in college whatever.
32:08
Speaker 7: He's got twenty years. So they both have twenty years
32:10
Speaker 7: of experience at the professional level. But one of them
32:13
Speaker 7: has been a twenty year coach, climbed the ladder as
32:16
Speaker 7: an assistant.
32:17
Speaker 5: He was cutting tape way back in the day. Whatever.
32:19
Speaker 7: The other guy played ten years in the league, and
32:22
Speaker 7: now as a ten year coach, you only get to
32:24
Speaker 7: choose one.
32:26
Speaker 5: What's the better higher the first.
32:28
Speaker 6: Guy to ten to get the player that played ten
32:30
Speaker 6: years in the NBA and we've coached for ten years.
32:32
Speaker 6: Because the why, yes, street credit okay with the players,
32:35
Speaker 6: it's other worries if you haven't played in the NBA
32:38
Speaker 6: or the NFL and you so you have to have
32:42
Speaker 6: how do you get street credit with the players? You
32:44
Speaker 6: have to be unbelievable teacher of the game, like you know,
32:49
Speaker 6: you're one of the best teachers in the world of basketball.
32:52
Speaker 6: And just as important, you've got to be able to
32:55
Speaker 6: talk to talk and communicate. And if you're non NBA
33:00
Speaker 6: or non NFL former player, that's that's how you thrive
33:06
Speaker 6: in professional coaching. So that scenario, I would go for
33:10
Speaker 6: the first option, not the discredit person in twenty years
33:13
Speaker 6: in the NBA or the NFL as assistant coach. I'm
33:16
Speaker 6: going with somebody had a players think this generation is
33:19
Speaker 6: much different now, Sean, It's the it's different and it's
33:22
Speaker 6: never it's gonna get even crazier with AI coming along someday,
33:28
Speaker 6: hits there right now. So the ability to communicate with
33:31
Speaker 6: younger people, and how do you do that. One is
33:35
Speaker 6: being a world class listener. Listening is a sign of intelligence.
33:39
Speaker 6: And two at the players feel, generally speaking, that you
33:43
Speaker 6: really care about them as people. That's what I call
33:46
Speaker 6: sharing and caring. You share your knowledge of what you know,
33:49
Speaker 6: but you care about them as an individual player, and
33:53
Speaker 6: that's how it gets. That's how you're able to succeed. Plus, also,
33:57
Speaker 6: the players have to believe in you of what you're saying.
34:01
Speaker 6: That sounds simple showing, but you know something, it gets
34:04
Speaker 6: very cloudy in the interpretation.
34:07
Speaker 5: All right.
34:07
Speaker 7: Back to the current state of things in the NBA
34:09
Speaker 7: with the playoffs approaching, play in tournament right around the corner.
34:13
Speaker 7: Are the Golden State Warriors handling Steph Curry correctly.
34:17
Speaker 2: Yes, yes they are. They're sitting them out.
34:20
Speaker 6: They're going to try to play them, possibly the last
34:25
Speaker 6: showing two games just to give him some some reps
34:28
Speaker 6: in a game as far as the speed of his
34:30
Speaker 6: Steph Curry, the world's greatest shooter, which we're talking about
34:33
Speaker 6: giving him some reps, and I know that they're not
34:36
Speaker 6: going to. Uh if it just doesn't play any game
34:40
Speaker 6: the last few games, they will not He will not
34:42
Speaker 6: play in the playing tournament. You can't do that to
34:45
Speaker 6: him because there's such a factor as far as getting
34:49
Speaker 6: some competition in the present tense right now. So he's
34:53
Speaker 6: right now, showing's talking about the Warriors right now with
34:56
Speaker 6: the ten seed, they can't go any any worse than that.
34:59
Speaker 6: The thirty six and forty they're gonna play two road games,
35:03
Speaker 6: probably against the Blazers on the road, and probably the
35:09
Speaker 6: winner the lose upont the loser of the Clippers' sons
35:13
Speaker 6: in the play in tournament, and so they're gonna try
35:16
Speaker 6: to get some juice with their team. It sounds really
35:20
Speaker 6: weird saying it, but showing the Warriors have actually somewhat
35:23
Speaker 6: overachieved without Jimmy Butler and those guys, and without Steph
35:27
Speaker 6: they're ten seed.
35:30
Speaker 2: That's where this should be.
35:31
Speaker 6: So he's gonna try to play the injury right now
35:34
Speaker 6: he has right now as far as injury is a condition,
35:38
Speaker 6: all right, there's so much wear and tear on that
35:40
Speaker 6: small body of Stephan Curry and there's so many jumps
35:44
Speaker 6: in that jump shots in his legs where his body
35:47
Speaker 6: is slightly breaking down, and what he has right now
35:50
Speaker 6: is right knee swelling and soreness. Based on what thousands
35:55
Speaker 6: of games played at the highest level, it happens he's
36:00
Speaker 6: thirty eight years old.
36:03
Speaker 7: I mean, I got out of competition at age thirty five,
36:07
Speaker 7: so I wanted to quit while I was ahead. You
36:09
Speaker 7: don't like seeing and you hope it doesn't happen anyone.
36:12
Speaker 7: And obviously the smaller bodies I think handled it a
36:14
Speaker 7: little bit better. But it's one of the worst things
36:17
Speaker 7: when you watch your heroes age as athletes. Right, you
36:22
Speaker 7: see a guy that you watched in the NBA, especially
36:25
Speaker 7: like a big seven footer now in his fifties, and
36:28
Speaker 7: you watch him trying to move around, You're like, oh my.
36:30
Speaker 5: Gosh, what did you do to yourself?
36:32
Speaker 7: I mean, we all love the late great Bill Walton, right,
36:35
Speaker 7: and he maintained this incredible positivity and this really sunny disposition,
36:40
Speaker 7: but he had to bring around it, like he had
36:43
Speaker 7: to bring a special chair around with him to do
36:45
Speaker 7: those broadcasts for all those years because he couldn't sit
36:48
Speaker 7: in a normal sized chair. He couldn't bend his knees
36:50
Speaker 7: down that far without having himself get it all locked up,
36:53
Speaker 7: mess with his knees, mess with his back all that.
36:56
Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean Steph Curry is not a giant
36:59
Speaker 7: in the same way. But that's a lot of up
37:01
Speaker 7: and down, and even those of us mere mortals who
37:04
Speaker 7: haven't been jumping for our entire adult life get the
37:07
Speaker 7: wear and tear.
37:08
Speaker 6: Add to that, Bill Walton had twenty two surgeries on
37:11
Speaker 6: his body during his Korea at both his back, also
37:15
Speaker 6: his ankles and his feet. And so that's what reason
37:18
Speaker 6: why it's all connected. As far as we have injuries,
37:22
Speaker 6: lower injuries are created by so much stress and wearing
37:26
Speaker 6: tear on your knees and below.
37:29
Speaker 7: Did you ever have a player dealing with a collapsed
37:33
Speaker 7: lung as you're rounding into the playoffs? Kate Cunningham with
37:36
Speaker 7: Detroit has a new mo thorax that collapse lung. Now, look,
37:40
Speaker 7: sports injuries are serious enough by themselves when we're talking
37:44
Speaker 7: about internal organs, something as important as your long And
37:48
Speaker 7: I know doctors are great. Medicine is fantastic and they
37:54
Speaker 7: find relatively routine recoveries here, but this is a professional
37:58
Speaker 7: athlete and the law are this engine that drives everything
38:04
Speaker 7: in your exertion.
38:05
Speaker 5: So have you ever dealt with this? Have you ever
38:07
Speaker 5: seen teams deal with this?
38:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've not dealt with it.
38:10
Speaker 6: But Jajy McCollum had a collapse lung a few years ago,
38:14
Speaker 6: so he was the most recent NBA player and he
38:17
Speaker 6: missed literally half the season. And so with Kay Cunningham,
38:21
Speaker 6: they are hoping to get him back in the first
38:24
Speaker 6: round of the playoffs. But again the doctors will absolutely
38:28
Speaker 6: use very good precaution. If he's not ready, he will
38:33
Speaker 6: let him won't play in that first round. And speaking
38:35
Speaker 6: of the Pistons, they're in first place fifty five and
38:38
Speaker 6: twenty one. They won their the Central Division title this
38:43
Speaker 6: year for the first time in eighteen years since two
38:47
Speaker 6: thousand and eight. And do you realize that the Pistons
38:51
Speaker 6: two years ago had the worst recond in basketball where
38:55
Speaker 6: they only won fourteen games. So sean, they went from
38:59
Speaker 6: fourteen wins to now fifty five fifty five victories as
39:04
Speaker 6: we speak, in a two year period, led by Kate
39:07
Speaker 6: Cunningham and led by this young superstar also Jellen Durhan
39:11
Speaker 6: and all the other supporting cast. And they've done a
39:14
Speaker 6: tremendous job. And now the point of reckoning now is
39:18
Speaker 6: with with Kate Cunningham. I think they can get past
39:22
Speaker 6: the first round, but they need Cunningham in the second
39:25
Speaker 6: round to play against probably either the Calves or the
39:28
Speaker 6: Hawks in the second round.
39:33
Speaker 5: Gordy, what's your list today?
39:35
Speaker 6: My list today? It's a short one also, and you'll
39:39
Speaker 6: before I forget Sewan. We got so much feedback from
39:41
Speaker 6: the list the other day about that short list, about
39:44
Speaker 6: the triple crown of a basketball and people are talking
39:49
Speaker 6: about it. Develts on last night they were asking me
39:51
Speaker 6: about what about so and so and so and so
39:53
Speaker 6: and so and so, and I had to tell them, well,
39:55
Speaker 6: they're right, but they warn an Olympian or they warn't
39:57
Speaker 6: a they warn't a ncchchampions.
40:00
Speaker 5: That was our trivia question. Somebody won.
40:02
Speaker 7: Somebody won Weezer tickets because of the knowledge that you gave.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad I could help out them and Weezer.
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Speaker 6: But helping out right now, here's the Korea Top twelve
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Speaker 6: whin it's NBA players combining regular and postseason victories. The
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Speaker 6: most games ever won individually by an NBA player. What
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Speaker 6: is quickly? What are some of the attributes. One you've
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Speaker 6: got to be a skilled basket maker. Two health and
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Speaker 6: longevity persona, so that's why you've got to have a
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Speaker 6: long career. Three you need other talented floormates to help
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Speaker 6: you win. Four generally speaking, you're an an elite late
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Speaker 6: game closer. And five you got to be mentally strong.
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Speaker 6: A dozen of the greatest winners of all time in
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Speaker 6: NBA basketball number twelve. Scottie Pippen played in nine hundred
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Speaker 6: and forty six victories, Number eleven all time, Shaquille O'Neill
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Speaker 6: nine forty eight, Number ten of all time, Kobe Bryant
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Speaker 6: nine hundred and seventy one, Number nine, Dirk Nowitzki nine
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Speaker 6: hundred and eighty five, Number eight. Interestingly, I didn't know this.
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Speaker 6: Sean Derek Fisher played in one thousand and fourteen victories.
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Speaker 6: Number seven. I worked him out twice with the Jazz.
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Speaker 6: One time, Sean, the Jazz didn't draft him. He went
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Speaker 6: to the Spurs. Well, the Jazz thinking at that time
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Speaker 6: front office. Tony Parker one thousand and twenty nine victories,
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Speaker 6: Number six. I coached this guy for sixteen years. John
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Speaker 6: Stockton one thousand, forty two victories, Number five. His trusted
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Speaker 6: sidekick also former jazz Man cal Malone one thousand and
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Speaker 6: fifty victories. Number four all time, Robert Parrish one thousand,
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Speaker 6: one twenty one. Number three, the trusted sidekick of Tony Parker.
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Speaker 6: That is Tim Duncan one thousand, one fifty eight the
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Speaker 6: last two Kareem Abdul Jabbar second all time one thousand,
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Speaker 6: two and twenty eight and the number one winner of
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Speaker 6: the most games ever won NBA basketball between the regular
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Speaker 6: season and postseason. He plays for the Lakers. He's still
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Speaker 6: going strong at age forty one. He's gonna add to
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Speaker 6: this is Lebron James. He's been in victory wise one thousand,
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Speaker 6: two hundred and twenty nine games. Thus that's my winning
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Speaker 6: list of today.
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Speaker 7: I would be remiss if I didn't ask you one
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Speaker 7: more NBA question. We've got we already already mentioned. You know,
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Speaker 7: you've got the NBA Draft lottery covering up and the
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Speaker 7: final fours this weekend. We'll get to that here in
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Speaker 7: just a second. How set are teams on their opinion
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Speaker 7: of players at this juncture of the process.
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Speaker 2: Not at all? Okay, no, not at all.
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Speaker 6: No, there's still debate, Oh very much, Yes, it's ongoing.
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Speaker 7: It never stops, so especially with that top three, four, five,
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Speaker 7: where the Utah Jazz are projected to be. Although I
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Speaker 7: guess seven is the most likely statistical outcome for your
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Speaker 7: upcoming draft pick. But there's still a lot of potential
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Speaker 7: movement rolling around in there, oh very much.
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Speaker 2: Yes, there are. And that's good.
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Speaker 6: It's healthy is that everybody has their voice and opinion
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Speaker 6: and then the decision makers are going to take it
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Speaker 6: all together and then they're going to decide and it's
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Speaker 6: absolutely critical and Jazz basketball who they take and the
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Speaker 6: other teams. Also because you hit the home run like example,
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Speaker 6: I know weap o' clock right now, Spurs Stephen Castle
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Speaker 6: in a before home run and Victor Ren beyond the
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Speaker 6: home run back to back years home runs.
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Speaker 5: Final four, Yes, before I let you go? Who advances.
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Speaker 2: Yukon and Arizona?
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Speaker 5: All right, Yukon, Arizona, Natty, let's go.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but remember, Sean, can I give can I quit
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Speaker 6: right now? Charles Dickens, Sure you don't mind. From the
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Speaker 6: Tales of the Tails of Two Cities, Sean, my bracket
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Speaker 6: was the best of times.
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Speaker 2: It was the worst of times.
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Speaker 6: So please do not go by Gordon Chias as far
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Speaker 6: as NCAA basketball, do not trust me, do not.
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Speaker 7: It's it's the number one testament we have to present
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Speaker 7: to you. How your bracket. It's such a wild attempt
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Speaker 7: to try to play guest work. The guy who knows
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Speaker 7: way more about basketball than any of us is uh.
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Speaker 7: He's down near the bottom of our rankings and our
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Speaker 7: ESPN seven hundred Million Dollar Bracket Challenge.
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Speaker 6: That's why I belong. He's talking about me, and that's
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Speaker 6: where I belong. And I get too emotional on my
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Speaker 6: picks because I have a hard time going against coaches
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Speaker 6: that I like their families. I'm sure I'm not exaggerating.
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Speaker 6: That's fair of my I know, the wife and the kids,
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Speaker 6: the grandkids. I can't do it morally.
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Speaker 2: Yikes.
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Speaker 5: Gordy, always great having you here.
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Speaker 2: Thanks showing peace out.
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Speaker 7: Gorda Chiay is a best in the business, our resident
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Speaker 7: NBA guru.
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Speaker 5: We've got a daily dump.
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Speaker 7: Zach Partridge still gonna join us, Roxy Bernstein coming at
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Speaker 7: one point thirty.
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Speaker 5: He's on the call for the Utah Mammoth.
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Speaker 7: Tonight, it's The Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred
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