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Fractures, fire brigades, and foreign land grabs · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Welcome, Patriots, to another edition of Unleash the Political News Hour.
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  I'm Nate Kane, your host for this hour.
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  And there is not a whole lot on that is being covered right now in the news, but there is one particular topic that I wanted to spend this first segment talking about.
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  And it's something that is a little bit controversial, but I think it's an important issue.
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  And it is the fracturing of the MAGA movement within the Republican Party.
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  There's been a whole lot of kind of changing of positions by several prominent Republicans, including some that are within Congress.
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  And I think it's about time to start speaking up about it.
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  Victor David Hansen had a really great interview this last week that I listened to, where he talked about this issue.
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  And in it, you know, he's, of course, Victor David Hanson, for those of you that don't know, is a longtime conservative intellectual and Trump supporter.
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  He's also a historian.
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  He's written several books.
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  He is a brilliant writer and uh analyst when it comes to these sorts of things.
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  And so I have a lot of trust in the things that he says.
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  And he is explicitly warned about the fracturing of the MAGA coalition over the issue of Israel.
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  Noting how isolationist voices are blending criticisms of U.S.
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  aid with anti Semitic tropes that echo historical prejudices.
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  The basically they are questioning Jewish loyalty, Jewish American loyalty to our country.
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  And I I honestly have to say that I have seen this myself.
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  I think when Trump first got into office during his first term, we saw some of this, you know, within within certain circles of the right, um, particularly within the QAnon movement.
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  And I quickly saw several people kind of putting it down and basically putting it in check.
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  And it kind of went away.
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  And uh you had some groups, you know, calling themselves the alt-right, and uh, but they were they were basically kind of shoved out of the party very quickly.
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  Well, unfortunately, like cancer that has metastasized, uh, we've seen this malignancy, you know, kind of making its way back into the party and spreading, and it's not a good thing.
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  It's something that should concern you know, all of us on the right, because you know, we want to ensure that the information that we're taking in is accurate and is not Nazi propaganda points.
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  But the fact is is that there has been a lot of that going on.
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  Um, without naming names, I have had even some of you know, some friends of mine who uh you know, who I have had to reach out to and actually correct them on some things I've seen them post on social media where they have taken things out of context, or they have basically just outright spread lies and fabrications that were first promoted by the Nazi Party.
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  And while we see on the left, we see a resurgence of communism and you know, and they also have their own problems with anti-Semitism, especially you know, with the far left and the AOC crowd, uh, we've also seen this problem of anti-Semitism starting to rise in the right.
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  And so I think it's important for conservatives to speak out against it when they see it and to make that point.
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  So back to Victor Dan uh David Davis Hanson, what he had said in this interview was that basically there was a split that is pitting traditional pro-Israel Republicans against newer alt-alt that's you know, that's prioritizing America first, but to the point of downplaying Israel's strategic value against shared threats like Iran and Hamas, you know, and and of course, the facts of the issue undermine their claims of Israel being irrelevant to U.S.
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  security.
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  I have been somebody who has, you know, as myself have been kind of frustrated with the uh, you know, with the the move of the Republican Party towards kind of a pro-war stance while under the Bush administration.
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  But having been somebody who served in the military and who has followed very closely the politics of war, I can understand the strategic value of a nation like Israel.
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  So even without the religious rhetoric surrounding the issue, I think it's important to understand that there is a very important strategic reason we have a relationship with Israel, because they really truly are kind of the only Western philosophy-led democratic nation in that part of the world.
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  And um, while I don't agree with everything that goes on in Israel, uh, just like I don't agree with everything that happens in my own country, uh, I don't think it has anything to do with religion.
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  Uh, it has to do with actually you know, more of your progressiveness, uh, that you know, progressive attitudes amongst some of the um the leadership within you know the Israeli Knesset and whatnot.
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  So I think it's important to talk about these things.
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  And and one of the things that has happened that has been unique in this generation that has never happened before.
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  And so I think this is why we are seeing this resurgence happening so quickly and and so influential is because of guys like Tucker Carlson, who have massive followings and who have been staunch supporters of Trump and staunch supporters of kind of the America first agenda.
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  And now, and while I always felt like there was a little bit of a tinge within Tucker Carlson's, you know, kind of like his worldview, if you will, just based off of things that he said, even when he was, you know, on Fox.
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  I felt like there was at least when he was on Fox, there was like a little bit of a something that held him back, if you will, from really expressing like how he really felt.
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  But now that he's out on his own, he really has kind of like shed any sense of discipline, if you will, or even self-censorship or even precaution about the things that he says, and he just says what he thinks, and he doesn't really care.
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  And you know, we live in America, and I'm a firm believer in free speech, and I believe that he has a right to say what he wants to say.
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  But we also, those of us that have a different opinion of than what he is laying out there, that means that we have to speak the truth as well.
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  And we have to get out there and say what we want to say in con, you know, in contradiction to some of the things that is you know that are being said by people like him.
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  And uh, you know, Tucker Carlson recently platformed Nick Fuentes, who is a Holocaust denier, and he allowed basically unchecked promotion of the dual dual loyalty canard that American Jews prioritize Israel over U.S., which is flatly debunked by data showing Jewish Americans have very high rates of military service, civic engagement, and patriotism with no evidence of disloyalty.
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  And by the way, there's a lot of other nations that uh people who who you know may have dual citizenship with.
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  Uh, one of those is Germany.
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  And I think it's important to understand how dual citizenship comes about because when somebody comes to America and they become an American citizen, they they
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  Have to reject their citizenship for any other nation.
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  But those nations don't have to recognize that rejection.
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  And so countries like Ireland and Germany, for example, they refuse to recognize any, you know, any rejection of one of their citizens who may choose loyalty with America and become an American citizen.
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  So they automatically have dual citizenship, whether they want it or not.
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  But the notion that you know that these people simply by the fact that they hold dual citizenship makes them unpatriotic or un-American.
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  Is simply ridiculous.
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  You have to look at what the people actually believe and what they're actually doing.
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  Are they serving this country?
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  Are they engaged in civic duty?
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  You know, are they living in the United States?
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  You know, what are what is the criteria that is being considered?
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  And so when people get painted with a broad brush, simply on the basis of their ethnicity or their religion.
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  We have to see that as a red flag.
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  And I think that's uh one of the things that I think has been going on.
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  And it doesn't just end with Tucker Carlson.
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  We've seen this, of course, with Marjorie Taylor Green, uh labeling you know Israel's Gaza operations as genocide, which is completely ignoring the basic facts.
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  And I happen to like Marjorie Taylor Green.
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  I at least I used to.
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  I actually sat, I was seated at her table, and we had talked for a couple of hours uh a few years ago, and she's completely shifted in her views, and I don't know what is influencing her, but it certainly isn't the truth.
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  Um they also have Matt Gates basically showing opposition to Israel.
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  He's another person who I really respected and admired, but I'm seeing now this you know, this view.
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  Now, the the views of why they are the way they are, and then you got some other people like Rand Paul and and Massey, their views I think are pretty consistent.
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  Uh, Rand Paul and Massey mean they have they've been basically they're more on the libertarian scale of things, and so I don't necessarily have a problem with them because they're they're consistent, and and their reasoning for why they believe is really more of a philosophical one, and it's not, I don't think it's really based on conspiracy theory or on you know, this notion of a of a grand Jewish conspiracy.
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  No, they're just they don't want our money going to any nation.
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  They're they kind of feel that way about every country outside of the United States.
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  But I do think that it's something that we need to be concerned about.
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  We need to be looking at it, and so I would encourage folks to really do your homework before you pass along any kind of meme or any kind of uh you know post that somebody posts that has you know some sort of uh negative connotation towards Israel because what I've found is as I've started looking at some of these, it has become very apparent to me that there is a major propaganda war that is going on right now, largely being funded by Iran and promulgated by Hamas and uh you know Hamas's supporters here in the United States, uh, which is coming largely out of our universities.
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  So, folks, uh, I just want to encourage you to take a look at the facts before you get out there and make comment or or promote that kind of material.
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  Uh, because we are facing a lot of disinformation that is being put out there on the internet, and I think that is the key to all of this of why we're seeing such a rapid malignancy, if you will, of this kind of ideology.
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  And uh, and it's got to be countered.
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  Well, that's all I have for this segment, and uh, but we've got a couple of really good segments that are coming beyond that, and I want folks to stick around and and listen.
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  We're gonna be talking about wild horses fire brigade, and uh in the next segment, and I think you're gonna find it very interesting because this is kind of a feel-good story in this next segment of something that I think people on both sides of the aisle can get together and you know, and and find support for.
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  It certainly is something that's going to save the horses, save American lives, and save U.S.
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  Welcome back to Unleash the Political News Hour.
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  I'm your host Nate Kane, delivering the raw truth on America's toughest issues.
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  In this second segment, we're tackling wild horses, wildfire prevention, and bureaucratic waste with a solution that saves lives, horses, and billions in taxpayer dollars.
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  Look, folks, it's not too often that I get the opportunity to talk about something that's really great, uh, that's very positive, and is something that you know people on both sides of the political aisle can be can get behind.
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  So I really want folks, I want you guys to listen to this and and take this information back to your representatives.
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  Our guest today is William Simpson the second, founder and executive director of Wild Horse Fire Brigade, an all-volunteer 501c3 nonprofit, WHFB's proven nature natural wildlife abatement and forest protection plan lets wild horses live free while grazing down fire fuels, aligning with the 1971 Wild Horse and Borough Act.
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  So, folks, this is a like I said, a great story that we're going to get into here.
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  Uh, William, I want to thank you so much for joining the show.
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  We got a lot to talk about.
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  Thank you very much, Nate.
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  I appreciate your time and being on your show.
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  So, William, a lot of people don't realize, especially if they're not living, you know, out in the Midwest or uh, you know, they don't live near where these wild horses are.
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  Most people don't know the history of wild horses in America.
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  Can you give us a kind of a quick synopsis of of how this came to be, you know, what it was at at its peak, what it's at today since the 1971 act, and and kind of you know, give us the history of this.
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  Okay, thank you.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, and you're right.
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  Very few people actually know the the true natural evolutionary history of American wild horses.
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  So all horses in the world originally evolved here 55 million years ago.
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  There were several different uh lines of horses, and and they're about as big as dogs with three toes.
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  Today, um, the modern horse we all see, equus cabalus is a single-toed horse.
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  They remember the parasodactyl family means were they're related to tapirs and elephants, actually.
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  Um, about a million years ago, the modern horse we all see Equus Cabalus crossed Beringia, that's the land bridge between um Alaska and Siberia, and that's how Eurasia got all their horses until up until a million years ago, there were no horses in Eurasia, no horses in your Europe or Africa or Asia million years ago, American horses crossed over, and and then they began to evolve there, and that's how they ended up with zebras and polski horses and conic horses.
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  In the meantime, they kept doing what they did here.
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  They went through the ice age, of course.
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  Um, some survived, it wasn't a complete extinction event.
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  Um, most of them did get uh extinct, but uh it really wasn't a complete extinction.
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  I shouldn't even use that term.
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  There were splinter populations that survived.
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  How do we know that?
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  We know that because we're now finding fossils that are 5700 years old, 5,000 years old, well after the ice age ended.
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  So you can't have fossils 5,000 years ago if there were no horses.
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  It's impossible.
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  So they were there, and that also predates Columbus.
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  Now, that's not to say the Europeans didn't bring horses as well.
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  Of course they did, but on the transatlantic crossing and those small ships in those days, they couldn't have horses on the deck of the boat because they'd be slammed back and forth during heavy weather on the Atlantic.
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  So they hung them in slings.
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  Only half the horses on the voyage survived because they suffered cardiopulmonary compression from being hung in slings for so long with their body weight.
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  It's kind of like you know, you can imagine a 500-pound sumo wrestler sitting on your chest.
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  You're not going to be breathing very long.
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  And so um, at the end of the day, they did land some horses, but they were different.
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  Different horses.
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  They were big horses.
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  You know, we know from science, you can only put 20% of a horse's body weight on its back.
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  And so the horses that evolved for cavalry and knights and and for agriculture and the Eurasia were big horses.
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  They were 1200, 1500 pounds and bigger.
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  The horses that survived the ice age here, the splinter populations were small horses.
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  They're you know, six, seven, eight hundred pounds, 13 hands tall, you know, and uh a horse that small, you can't put a 350 pound conquistador on his back with you know a conquistador, you know, you got 1780 pound man, you got armor, and you got a saddle, you got guns, ammo supplies, you know, 350 pounds, you can't do it.
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  That would kill one of our native horses, they can't carry that weight.
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  So it's it's not either or it was both.
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  So rolling up until today, you know, they got of course uh used, they got rounded up.
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  Um the some of the numbers that we see um, for instance, in 1580, uh Sir Francis Drake was a military serving uh knight for Queen Elizabeth.
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  He was sent up to the Pacific Northwest on his voyage, and he stopped uh along the Oregon California uh border, what which is what we call it today.
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  Back then it was wild lands, but you know, we know today that he did come into this area in 1580, and he and some of his explorers actually documented horses living among the indigenous people here, and so we have some of those ancestral bloodlines in the herd that we own and manage at 200 horses today.
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  Um going forward from that, we know from a solid history, published newspapers and things that in the early 1900s, prior to World War One, we had about two to three million horses in North America right here in America, and then in World War I, we sent about a million horses to war in World War One for cavalry for to haul uh artillery around, and some of them even got eaten, and they died in the arms of our war heroes over there.
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  So um they can you say we built America off their backs?
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  We've they've helped fight our wars, and and and you know, we have a huge co-evolutionary overlap.
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  Humans and horses have this huge overlap.
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  So for a long period of time in history, too.
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  So let's let's quickly get to the this 1971 act, which was supposed to protect these icons of the West, but it seems that BLM really turned it into a taxpayer-funded roundup machine.
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  What's gone wrong with the implementation and how do you know how do how do scandals like illegal slaughters fit into the bigger picture of this government failure?
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  Yeah, that's that's really a great question, uh Nate.
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  And so here's what happened in 71, because of all the pilfering of the American wild horses, um, uh, and then after the war, of course, the dog food companies, Alpo and other people started, you know, rounding up.
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  That's what the movie The Mustangs with Clark Gable was about, they're rounding up horses for pet food.
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  Um, and we got down to in the neighborhood of 20,000 horses.
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  I mean, it was a decimation.
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  So in 71, President Nixon signed the free roaming wild horse and borough protection act to protect horses on 53 million acres of American land.
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  That's what he assigned.
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  And of course, since 71 and between 71 and today, we have 100 million more Americans living in in America, 100 million more people.
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  More demand on product services, and many of those things come from public lands, where these horses happen to be at.
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  So administratively, the BLM rolled back the 53 million acres and created more land for livestock grazing and basically rolled the horses back to 28 million acres from 53 approximately, 53 million acres to 28 million acres.
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  And then on those 28 million acres, the horses only have 7% of the grazing.
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  And the reason for that is is a horse is a non-commercial herbivore.
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  They are a very important herbivore in North America ecologically, but nevertheless, um the beef industry and the lamb in you know the sheep industry have dominated the market, and the grazing permits are American taxpayers' gift to the ranching industry because you can't even feed a gerbil for a dollar for 35 uh per month, let alone a cow and a calf of to 500 pounds for a dollar 35 a month.
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  So the grazing permits, the BLM sells are highly sought after.
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  There's a huge political push to get more of that, and in order to create that under the Federal Land Management Protection Act, the land managers have to reduce other herbivores that have lesser value.
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  So they're not taking away deer or elk, which are also herbivores, those are ruminant herbivores, big difference.
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  But what they are doing, because the hunting industry supports those, um, and that's big money again.
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  Okay, livestock industry, big money, hunting, big money.
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  So they're getting pushed off the land in many areas.
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  And since the BLM is a typical government agency, you know, slow, you know, they're checkers players in a chess game, so they're outmatched when they're trying to deal with natural history and evolution and wildlife management, they're just way out of their water.
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  And and so their only idea is to just decimate them instead of repurposing them.
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  That's the smart move.
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  Right.
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  So that that brings up a good point because you know, in the past, you know, prior to US, you know, prior to European colonized colonization of America, um, you you had these massive buffalo herds and wild horses and a whole lot of other herbivores that help to you know keep down and and really were part of the ecosystem and and the you know, the part of the reason why we have such fertility in this country.
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  Now you have a plan that basically saves not just the wild horses but also American lives and billions in taxpayer dollars.
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  And this is the kind of ingenuity that quite honestly is is the kind of thing we need more of in this country because I see so many people I've known people, uh in fact, uh a former employer that I had, his wife was very involved in trying to save wild horses, and your idea I think actually has the potential uh to gain some steam on both sides of the aisle to protect these horses because they have, like you said, a purpose.
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  So tell us about your first hand experiences on the the Clamathon uh fire and how grazing by wild horses actually prevents these mega fires.
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  Right.
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  So um when I retired into the mountains up here in the wilderness in 2014, I realized there was wild horses here.
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  And you know, I went to Oregon State, I was a pre-med science major, I had a background in science, so and and I grew up in the livestock business, so I understand both sides of that coin.
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  Um, and then when I realized that they were wild, I started watching them and observing them and documenting what they were doing.
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  And that was early on, that was in 2014, well before the Clamathon fire in 2018.
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  Well, then in two early 2018, before the Clamathon fire, Colorado College had been reading about my research, and they came down here and did a documentary that became an award-winning documentary called Fuel Fire and Wild Horses, Fuel Fire and Wild Horses.
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  So that documentary um was made two months before the Clamathon fire came.
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  And in the documentary uh that I made with Colorado College, I talked about what I was seeing the reduct fire, the cost-effective reduction of fire fuels and very rugged terrain where there's predators.
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  You can't do livestock uh grazing up here, it doesn't work.
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  The the terrain is way too rugged, very little access.
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  You have apex predators, bears, lions, wolves.
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  And so uh what I had said in that documentary then actually came true during the Clamathon fire back in July of 2018, two months after we filmed.
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  So it's not like I'm kind of making this up as I go along.
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  I talked about it way before it happened, you know, but two months before.
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  Then it happened, and everything I said came true.
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  And now we have a new after the fact uh a summary of of what happened during that fire called horse of nature.
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  So that's another award-winning documentary on the film festival circuit right now, horse of nature, and there's a website, horse of nature.com that has quite a bit of information.
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  Um, the fire fuel reduction.
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  Well, I was on the fire line for nine days as a technical advisor to Calfire.
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  Um, and during the time I was assisting them by showing them where the big fire breaks are created by the horses and where the roads were and all that other things they needed to know to be ahead of this fire.
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  Um, I noticed what the horses were doing actually during the fire, which has never been done before by anybody.
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  Um, I'm actually the only person I know of in the in the world living among and studying a free roaming, naturally living herd of wild horses in the wilderness.
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  And we teach a wild horse ecology class up here for uh Cal State.
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  So and we call it the good old method in honor of Jane Goodall, because by being an embedded observer, you see things nobody else gets to see through binoculars or with telephoto lens lenses.
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  Um so we watched them graze, and then we saw the results of that grazing empirically.
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  The data is in it does assist fire uh management and it reduces the intensity of the fire, which allows um, for instance, people into carbon sequestration, these forests uh uh carbon uh um businesses, you know, basically they're selling credits for car, you know, carbon sequestration in these big forests.
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  Well, the biggest threat to those forests is the reversal of that fortune.
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  If the forest burns down, not only do you lose your carbon sink, but you volatilized all the carbon into the atmosphere.
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  So this is the best protection you could ask for, and it's cost effective because these horses do their job for free, and they don't sue you.
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  Don't need taxpayer dollars.
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  If the you know they need the natural selection by the predators, you know, that enhances their genetic vigor.
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  It's it's such a beautiful relationship when you see it work.
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  The BLM needs to stop doing what they're doing because it's a phenomenal waste.
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  It's bad enough that they're they're subsidizing um livestock grazing with tax dollars because the uh the assignment of of grazing units, the the grazing management plans for ranchers, um, costs them 33 million dollars a year to do that, and they only bring in 14 million.
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  That's a real great business model, I think.
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  Yeah, well, and it's sound and when you think about and when you think about the amount of money that is lost, uh, you know, when there are these massive fires, um, not just in in terms of agriculture, but when it makes its way into you know into populated areas as well.
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  It's just horrendous.
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  They cost well, it it you know, Nate, it doesn't even have to be that UCLA just released 11-year study that shows that wildfire smoke kills people at great distances.
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  Um in California alone, 11 years.
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  Yeah, my wife was killed by the toxins in the wildfire smoke from the Clamathon fire, and and and during that time, no that cal that I'm sorry, the University of California study was not available.
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  And I was enduring and experiencing what they later published in their 11-year study that 5,000 Californians die prematurely every year, and the economic damage from that is 435 billion dollars from the smoke alone.
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  We're not talking about property destruction, we're talking about people dying at great distance from the fire.
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  So um, yeah, my wife's case, she was at the best hospital in Portland, St.
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  Vincent's neurological wing.
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  I mean, it's this state of the art, and they spent a million dollars trying to save her.
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  And once you breathe these new chemicals, see the fires are hotter than ever before.
• 31:57
  So we're getting a new chemistry, and this new these new compounds are deadly, and if they don't kill you right off, they could predispose you to cardiopulmonary issues and other disease states.
• 32:08
  So um, what we can do, we have the good, there's a lot of good news here.
• 32:12
  We we can create, I can create with my plan 350,000 more AUMs or grazing units for the livestock industry.
• 32:21
  I can create that by removing the horses from the areas where they are right now, and you put us assigning them into fuel mitigation roles, and so that creates more grazing right away.
• 32:31
  It saves taxpayers 150 million dollars a year right away that could be put back into improving our grazing lands with more wells, more fuel management, I mean, or more um, you know, uh uh vegetative management for you know three seeding, you know, fixing the the damaged lands because there's a 50 cows for every horse out there.
• 32:53
  So they talk about grazing damage.
• 32:54
  We know who's doing the grazing damage, and it isn't the horses.
• 32:57
  So, but we can fix that.
• 32:59
  We can fix that, we can create more grazing, and we can reduce this loss of life and save wild horses in the process because when you put horses into that natural wilderness habitat, um, and keep people out of the mix, they they will thrive.
• 33:15
  Our herd does very well up here, and yeah, we do lose horses to predation, but that's part of nature's plan.
• 33:21
  You know, you they've been here two million years.
• 33:24
  We don't want to mess around with it.
• 33:25
  So, William, what can people do right now?
• 33:28
  You you know, are there any members of Congress that are you're working with or uh is the Trump administration involved at all uh in terms of his BLM in looking at some of these ideas?
• 33:41
  Well, the problem we have here is economics, okay.
• 33:44
  Um, the people that are whispering and and Donald Trump's here, the President Trump's ears are people that have economic interests, they're self-interested people, they're not looking at the the people of the United States of America, us, okay.
• 33:57
  They're looking at their own interests, and and that's fine, okay, but they don't get to wipe out an American iconic treasure that helped us build America to serve their own needs.
• 34:09
  And so what I'm trying to do is break through that ice.
• 34:11
  And I need people to talk about wild horse fire brigade.
• 34:15
  I need I need help.
• 34:16
  I need somebody to promote what I'm doing and get me next to one of Trump's top advisors, not somebody who's gonna you know sequester my information in in lieu of a more profitable methodology.
• 34:29
  Um this is about saving hundreds of lives, thousands of lives.
• 34:33
  You know, you know, if I extrapolate the UCLA study, it's 80,000 people a year get dead early because of the wildfire smoke.
• 34:41
  And then and that's a lot of people compared to how many people get actually killed by the fire itself.
• 34:46
  It's a huge huge thing.
• 34:48
  So wild horse fire brigade.
• 34:50
  If somebody googles wild horse fire brigade, they're gonna find us right away.
• 34:54
  Uh we need help, we need funding.
• 34:56
  We fund all of our own work here.
• 34:58
  We're we're not funded with tax dollars, so it's about donations.
• 35:02
  Um now where what's the your website uh that that people can go to?
• 35:08
  It's wild horse fire brigade, four words wildhorse firebrigade.org, or they could just Google Wild Horse Fire Brigade, it comes right up to the top.
• 35:18
  And is there uh are you on social media?
• 35:20
  Is there a way for people to reach out to you and contact you, or is your information on that site?
• 35:26
  Yeah, all of it's there, and we also have uh a Facebook page, we have uh YouTube channel and we have Instagram.
• 35:34
  So Wild Horse Fire Brigade, uh, check it out because this can save billions of dollars, you know, these losses are in the billions, and we can have a huge effect.
• 35:44
  And and people can get to live.
• 35:45
  Grandmas, grandpas, and children can live with this program.
• 35:50
  Absolutely.
• 35:50
  Well, William, it's been eye-opening.
• 35:52
  I want to thank you for coming on the show.
• 35:54
  For our listeners fired up about this, you know.
• 35:57
  They're there, I would recommend that you guys go to the Wild Horse Fire Brigade website, uh, go on there, get connected, find out what you can do, reach out to your representatives because we need people who are going to basically champion this within the government.
• 36:14
  That's how these things are gonna get done get done.
• 36:16
  So, folks, um, you know, please go check out the website.
• 36:21
  Uh, again, William, thank you for joining the show.
• 36:24
  And uh, we're gonna have to cut to a short break here.
• 36:27
  Folks, uh, stick around because when we return, I'll be diving into another critical issue, and that is U.S.
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• 37:28
  Welcome back to Unleash the Political News Hour for our final segment.
• 37:33
  We're coming in hot.
• 37:35
  I'm your host Nate Kane, and we've saved a bombshell for last.
• 37:40
  The silent invasion of America's heartland, foreign entities led by communist China are snapping up our farmland at an alarming rate, threatening our food supply, national security, and the very sovereignty of the United States.
• 37:55
  This isn't just about acres, but it's about who controls what feeds your family.
• 38:00
  We're gonna get into a lot of different topics on this, but I want to start with the issue of China, China, uh, particularly uh and the national security threat that they they pose.
• 38:13
  Joining me to help break this down is AJ Richards, CEO of From the Farm, a powerhouse organization fighting to protect American agriculture, empower family farmers and reclaim our food independence from globalist threats.
• 38:30
  AJ's on the front lines exposing how foreign ownership undermines rural communities, spikes food prices, and hands our enemies leverage over our dinner tables.
• 38:40
  AJ, welcome to Unleashed.
• 38:42
  Thanks for having me.
• 38:43
  Appreciate it.
• 38:44
  So let's start off with the hard numbers.
• 38:47
  I mean, you know, it's not a huge amount of land that China owns in the grand scheme of things, but they do own quite a few, you know, a few hundred thousand acres.
• 38:58
  And um, and it looks like uh a good half of that is right around military installation.
• 39:04
  So can you can you break that down for us?
• 39:06
  Like what is the numbers that we're talking about here?
• 39:09
  Yeah, we're looking at about 270,000-ish acres of Chinese owned farmland.
• 39:16
  Um, it's come down a little bit.
• 39:17
  It was at 350,000 just in the last few years because consumers are awake, they're paying attention, they're putting they're putting uh momentum behind the awareness, which then you know presses our our uh leaders in the country to start doing something about it.
• 39:32
  So that's great.
• 39:33
  Um, but yeah, like you said, much of it is centered and close to military bases throughout the country, which leads to a whole nother host of concerns that that people need to be aware of and and our nation and it's and it's uh security as a whole.
• 39:48
  Yeah, and I mean I don't think anybody has to be a rocket scientist to figure out it's not a good idea for an adversary of the United States to have land that is right next to military bases and in.
• 40:00
  About half of the land that China owns, which that in and of itself makes no sense why any foreigner should have ownership of land in the United States.
• 40:10
  Like I'm not opposed to them having say a 99-year lease, but I do have a problem where they're not United States citizens and yet they have ownership of something that is not something that we can produce more of.
• 40:23
  Right.
• 40:23
  It makes no sense.
• 40:24
  Right.
• 40:25
  And then that raises the costs for American citizens to own the land and to be able to produce food for us in our own nation.
• 40:32
  Lots of issues that go with that.
• 40:34
  Absolutely.
• 40:35
  And and it's not just China.
• 40:36
  I mean, I think I the largest owner, foreign owner of American land is Canada.
• 40:42
  Yes.
• 40:42
  And uh, and they own millions of acres, right?
• 40:45
  Yeah, about 15.3 million acres is owned by uh Canada.
• 40:50
  Yeah.
• 40:51
  And and while I don't have a, you know, I'm not opposed to, you know, to Canada, you know, they're an ally of ours, but uh they're not, you know, they might not be a a they might not be an enemy when it comes to warfare, but they certainly are not our friend when it comes to trade.
• 41:06
  And we've seen this uh in the way that they have, you know, basically they've had a we've had a very upside down relationship with them when it came to dairy farmers uh as well as loggers, you know, they have you know put incredible tariffs on dairy products and and on uh lumber.
• 41:24
  Yeah, and this is a problem.
• 41:26
  And then yet at the same time, they buy up land here, uh, you know, that they can farm on, and it's it's not exactly reciprocal.
• 41:34
  While we can own land in Canada, in a lot of these places, it's completely restricted.
• 41:41
  Uh, you know, like some some cases it's like restricted down to 10 acres, like I think in Saskatchewan or you know, it's just it's crazy.
• 41:48
  Yeah, it's definitely it's definitely there's definitely an imbalance.
• 41:52
  And I think the biggest challenge or the biggest reason is just our complacency for so many years, you know, leading up to the you know, COVID really shine a light on how that complacency has put us as a nation in a real vulnerable position for our own sovereignty and and especially food sovereignty.
• 42:10
  Yeah.
• 42:10
  Now, there was something that that in the case of China and let's just say, you know, other foreign adversaries as well.
• 42:17
  You know, I think of Iran, Russia, um, you know, obviously Cuba, Venezuela, you know, North Korea, these are all countries that probably have no business owning any land in our country at all, let alone even leasing land in our country.
• 42:34
  But the the problem is is that they've somehow been able to purchase and acquire land here.
• 42:42
  Right.
• 42:43
  Now there's a process, right?
• 42:45
  That is at least for that land that is near military base, there's a national security uh check, if you will, that is supposed to prevent that.
• 42:54
  And I believe the Cypheus Committee and there might be you mentioned another committee, I think last night on our show.
• 42:59
  Um, but tell us a little bit about that and why it's broken.
• 43:03
  Yeah, so the uh agriculture foreign investment disclosure act is what you're referring to, the AFIDA.
• 43:09
  Uh and the issue with that is it's self-reported.
• 43:13
  And I think there was only one or two cases in the last 11 years where um they did any investigation to find any wrongdoing, just because again, being self-reported and also um understaffed is another reason for that.
• 43:28
  And and frankly, you know, we don't I'm not a fan of more federal employees.
• 43:34
  So that's a that's a challenge there in and of itself.
• 43:37
  But when it's self-reported and there's a lack of oversight, you're gonna definitely have these issues where there's consolidation or or land grabs that are happening that that are not good for us as a nation.
• 43:48
  Yeah, and I think a lot of it is happening through, you know, various investment uh funds and things like that that are including land as a part of the portfolio, but might be heavily leveraged by you know, Chinese ownership or you know, maybe even other countries that that we prefer not to have any ownership in our our country.
• 44:07
  Yeah, this is a problem.
• 44:09
  Yeah, when you have multiple shell companies that that they'll set up just to be able to make the acquisition, and you have such a uh a lack of oversight, you can see why it's easy for that to happen.
• 44:20
  Absolutely.
• 44:21
  Now one of the things that you know, this is obviously China's a threat, and and I think a lot of people are aware of that, but I want to move on to some other threats too, because you know, there's you you've been fighting against globalization, you know, especially of our farms.
• 44:37
  And I do see this as a problem.
• 44:39
  I'm not opposed to you know, having global markets, right?
• 44:44
  I think it's a great thing when we can, you know, sell to other places, provided that we're selling to our own people first.
• 44:50
  I don't like this idea of you know, us selling everything off to the point where it raises the prices you know, in our own country to where it's you know, we can no longer where there's a a scarcity, right?
• 45:03
  But there's always a it's a good thing when we have a market to offload excess, right?
• 45:09
  Yes.
• 45:10
  So, you know, tell me a little bit about that and and what you see as kind of what's been happening to the American farm and in particular to these family farms.
• 45:19
  What what's why are there so few of them nowadays?
• 45:23
  Well, it's consolidation.
• 45:24
  So you have uh, you know, speaking of beef specifically, the antitrust laws that are in place are not being enforced.
• 45:31
  And those started changing with Reagan actually back in the 80s when they um when they changed the antitrust thought laws that allowed for what we now have today, which is four major corporations in the beef side that that have captured that supply.
• 45:46
  And their focus, of course, is maximize efficiency for revenue, so they vertically integrated a mass scale.
• 45:52
  Our cattle ranchers are the last bastion of freedom when it comes to our food production.
• 45:56
  That means that those the starting point of that supply comes from our cow calf operations, which are the ranchers that have mama cows that then breed them for babies that go into the supply chain.
• 46:08
  And the issue now is that because of that consolidation and aggregation, there's very few places for those cattlemen to sell their livestock except for into these auctions, these markets that are controlled by those big four, and then they control the prices.
• 46:23
  So our ranchers have become price takers, not price makers, simply because they don't have a competitive market because of that consolidation.
• 46:31
  And there's another problem too, I think on the other end of this too, right?
• 46:35
  Because uh you've got a consolidation that has happened around the meat packing industry uh to where there's a very limited number of major corporations that own like the majority of meat packing.
• 46:46
  Yes.
• 46:46
  And that also ends up driving, you know, driving the the uh the prices down that that uh the uh cattlemen can get for their livestock, right?
• 46:58
  That's right.
• 46:59
  And just recently the president announced a uh uh an investigation into the consolidation and why what they call boxed beef prices, which is what uh restaurants, retailers, and consumers are essentially paying that price for, comes from those big four packers.
• 47:16
  And so those boxed beef prices, they are setting record prices right now when we're losing farmers and ranchers at a rapid pace.
• 47:24
  In fact, we've lost 17% of our uh ranchers just in the last few years, something like 20,000 ranchers a year for the last five years have gone out of business.
• 47:33
  Uh and so uh imports are increasing out of necessity because we're losing the foundation of where that food came from to begin with.
• 47:41
  Now, speaking of imports, we also have like okay.
• 47:45
  So I want to just this is where the foreign interest comes in as well, right?
• 47:49
  Because we have um, I think like one of the largest pig, you know, farms right in America is owned by the Chinese.
• 47:57
  Is that correct?
• 47:58
  Yeah, Smithfield Foods uh is a Chinese own corporation.
• 48:02
  Um they bought it a few years ago from an American-based company.
• 48:06
  And and so do is there, you know, are they exporting all of that product to back to China?
• 48:13
  Uh, you know, what's going on there?
• 48:16
  Yeah, not necessarily.
• 48:17
  They do export, they do export to China our our pork supply, but really it comes down again to the control of that.
• 48:24
  Um, for example, um, where I'm from in Utah, uh place called Milford, Utah, there's Circle Four Farms, and they were producing um, you know, tens of thousands of pigs a year.
• 48:38
  Well, because of that consolidation, they ended up closing a plant in California that was um that was the primary processor, which then affected the downstream of that.
• 48:48
  And so that pork production in Utah um went from something like a hundred thousand hogs down to 20, uh, 20,000.
• 48:59
  And so that's that's our food supply.
• 49:01
  That's that's what's going into the primary food system of America.
• 49:06
  So with that consolidation, we just find ourselves extremely vulnerable.
• 49:09
  In fact, on the beef side, only about 30 slaughterhouses process 80% of the meat we consume.
• 49:16
  And those processing facilities are owned by those packers.
• 49:20
  Now, when you look at that from a national security issue, when 30 facilities are processing that much meat, and those are soft targets.
• 49:28
  If you want to see America go into famine overnight, you take out some of those facilities, and we don't have the production capacity to feed America.
• 49:36
  Which doesn't have it's not that hard to do, folks.
• 49:38
  Um look, a lot of stuff is automated today.
• 49:41
  And uh, you know, cyber warfare, it's been used in the agriculture industry.
• 49:46
  And uh you we had mentioned or talked a little bit about that.
• 49:49
  Uh two kind of you know, two problems, right?
• 49:52
  You know, in in that in that you have the Brazilians that don't own a large portion, you know, of our
• 50:00
  Food production and uh and then secondly, they got hacked.
• 50:04
  Yeah, in 2021, Russian hackers hacked the largest processor, which is JBS, uh, and that shut them out of their production in 2021.
• 50:12
  That's why this meat shit, the store shelves had you limited on what you could purchase for meat, uh, simply because they couldn't access the software to continue business until they paid that 11 million dollar ransom to release the software.
• 50:25
  Wow.
• 50:26
  That's just crazy.
• 50:27
  Yeah.
• 50:28
  And then what precedence does that set for the next group from another country that wants to do the same thing?
• 50:33
  Right.
• 50:33
  Now, you know, on that note, um, just because this is an area of interest of mind, you know, in cybersecurity.
• 50:39
  Uh, you know, there was a major fire that happened at, and of course, there's been major, major fires at multiple food manufacturing plants all across America.
• 50:50
  Um, and in fact, uh it just it seems to be a growing trend and a growing problem.
• 50:56
  But one particular fire that caught my attention was one at a dairy farm where I think there was like 1,500 head of cattle that burned up with this dairy farm.
• 51:05
  And I was really curious because I had been involved in some cyber warfare units uh with NSA and and uh and uh US Cybercom.
• 51:14
  And one of the things that that we had looked at was national critical infrastructure and saw is where there's a lot of automation on these farms.
• 51:22
  And in this case, they're they were I I was able to go back and find an expose where they were showcasing how they had automated this farm and how everything was running off of robots and computers and off of methane gas that was being produced by the cow dung and all of that.
• 51:39
  And they actually showed like the machines that they were using, which then provides information to hackers on you know what to look for in terms of vulnerabilities and exploits.
• 51:50
  So I am very suspicious that that fire may have been uh instigated through a cyber attack, but you know, we probably will never know.
• 51:59
  Yeah, I'm sure that would be highly classified and kept under wraps, but just I'm speculating here, but it certainly is a possibility, and I would say it's probably likely probable.
• 52:10
  Yeah, there was a Tyson Foods fire that happened in Holcomb, Texas in 2019, and that facility processed six thousand six thousand head of cattle per day, roughly five percent of the beef production.
• 52:21
  And you saw an immediate jump in prices when that fire burnt down because again, everything is built for maximized efficiency.
• 52:28
  When you have 6,000 cows scheduled to be processed in one facility today, that means you have 6,000 tomorrow and the next day, which means in the feedlots, you have 6,000 head every day ready to go in for processing.
• 52:40
  Right.
• 52:40
  And so we saw that during COVID.
• 52:42
  What happened was is all these small processors, the ones we had left throughout the country, which there are very few, something like 3,000 independent processors in our communities.
• 52:53
  They got flooded with the backfill because it was cheaper to put all these ranchers and feeders panicked because there was nowhere for them to go.
• 53:01
  And it's expensive to keep an animal alive versus put it in the freezer.
• 53:04
  So they flooded our small processors.
• 53:06
  In fact, we were selling direct to consumer, and we used to be able to call our processor and you know, schedule five or six or however many we needed within the next week or two.
• 53:15
  And we called them and when COVID hit and they said we can get you in in a year and a half.
• 53:20
  It was 18 months, and that was nationwide.
• 53:22
  So this is a it's a supply chain risk, and it is a it's a single point of failure, you know, uh, or maybe a few points of failure.
• 53:31
  Yeah.
• 53:32
  It does provide some efficiency.
• 53:34
  It's a huge national security risk to have so much hanging on, you know, four companies.
• 53:41
  So that's where you step in.
• 53:43
  And we've got a few minutes left in in this segment.
• 53:46
  And I want to just give you an opportunity to tell the American people what your company from the farm is doing and why you started what you're doing.
• 53:55
  Yeah, thank you.
• 53:56
  We we recognize because when COVID hit, you know, my family are five generations of ranchers.
• 54:01
  They're actually the Bundy ranchers that many people have heard of uh from southern Utah.
• 54:05
  And so we we were processing, going direct to consumer, and then when that supply chain was significantly disrupted in 2020, it became very clear that we have weakened our national security and food security as a nation.
• 54:18
  And uh it became very clear that the only way that we can make this right is to reconnect the consumers directly with the farmers and ranchers and processors throughout our country in a way that drives the demand for that to grow so that we can have a reason for folks to build more processors in these communities, our communities throughout the nation.
• 54:38
  Uh, when we diversify and create a parallel economy, we can drive that growth back into our rural communities and revitalize them because one, we're able to get the producer, the retail dollar.
• 54:51
  Right now, ranchers only earn about nine to fourteen cents on the dollar for the animal that they spend 24 months raising, you know, through blizzards, through droughts, through all the challenges that make nature uh outside of policy throw at them.
• 55:06
  It's a very demanding job, and yet they're only earning about nine cents on that because the middleman get it all.
• 55:11
  So with the spirit of that in mind, we developed a platform to cut out all the middlemen to help those consumers go direct to the source, similar to like how Airbnb helped uh build this entire industry of short-term rentals, uh, or Uber did with uh ride sharing.
• 55:28
  That's the vision of from the farm, cutting out the middlemen, taking care of all those problems that make it difficult for that producer to go from you know gate to plate and simplify that process and then re-educate the consumers on what that looks like.
• 55:43
  It was only a generation ago where our parents knew how to buy a side of beef.
• 55:47
  And because of marketing and and convenience, we've become uh distracted and separated from you know what I believe, and and I think everybody would agree, our most important resource as a living organism is the food we put in our bodies, and yet we no longer know how to source that at the at the beginning of where it starts.
• 56:09
  Yeah.
• 56:09
  Well, AJ, we're just about out of time, but um, if you would, can you please tell people where where can they find out more about this?
• 56:16
  Where can they get food directly from the farmer?
• 56:19
  Yes, if you go to FromTheFarm.org, uh, we've got about a hundred producers in 35 states across the nation and growing.
• 56:26
  You can find more information with us.
• 56:28
  All the social media channels is from the farm USA.
• 56:31
  Um, and you can find us there and get connected and shake the hand that feed you.
• 56:35
  That is awesome.
• 56:36
  From the farm.org, folks.
• 56:39
  Gotta check it out.
• 56:40
  Uh, I've I've looked at it about a year ago, and the number of farmers that have joined this program is just it's it's grown exponentially, and it's awesome.
• 56:50
  Uh, very excited to find out about that.
• 56:53
  And uh AJ, thank you so much for you know, dropping these truth bombs, you know, and they did they demand action.
• 56:59
  So, folks, listen, uh, this is where you get involved, and you have a direct partnership with the farmer to help them be able to continue to provide you great products, and at the same time, you're helping America fight the globalists and these you know, mega corporations that really don't care about maintaining the ecology, you know, of the lands that uh, you know, that they're they're producing this food on.
• 57:27
  So it's a great organization, and um and and I'm really grateful for you coming on and talking about these issues.
• 57:34
  Thanks for having me, Nate.
• 57:35
  Appreciate it.
• 57:35
  Absolutely.
• 57:36
  Well, that's a wrap on today's unleash the political news hour, folks, from wild horses battling wildfires to China eyeing our croplands.
• 57:44
  The threats are real, but so are the solutions.
• 57:48
  Stay vigilant, support American made and tune in next time for more unfiltered truth.
• 57:54
  This is Nate Kane signing off.
• 57:56
  God bless America.