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Ohio's Big Choice (Live from Cleveland!) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 2: What's up, Cleveland? Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Alyssa Mastromonaco.
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  Speaker 5: I'm John Lovett.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Visor.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: We have an outstanding show for you tonight. Congresswoman Amelia
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  Speaker 1: Sykes is here. The executive director of Pro-Choice Ohio, Kelly
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  Speaker 1: Copeland is here. And we are so lucky to be
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  Speaker 1: joined by our pal, Alyssa Mastromonaco.
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  Speaker 2: The co-host of Hysteria.
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  Speaker 4: So excited to be here.
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  Speaker 2: We're so glad to have you. All right, let's get
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  Speaker 2: to the news.
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  Speaker 1: So the war in Gaza has obviously become a big
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  Speaker 1: political issue here in the United States, obviously. As Israel
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  Speaker 1: began its ground invasion over the weekend, the GOP presidential
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  Speaker 1: candidates spoke at the Republican Jewish Coalition in Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 7: Oof.
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  Speaker 1: Vivek Ramaswamy told the crowd he'd love nothing more than
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  Speaker 1: for Israel to put the heads of Hamas leaders on
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  Speaker 1: stakes and line them up. Nikki Haley hit Trump the
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  Speaker 1: hardest for when he called Hezbollah smart and criticized Netanyahu.
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  Speaker 1: And then Trump got up, ignored all of them, and
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  Speaker 1: got the best reception of the day.
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  Speaker 7: The experts said our pro-Israel policies would produce terror and chaos,
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  Speaker 7: but I knew the opposite was true.
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  Speaker 5: That turned out to be right.
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  Speaker 7: Every single life that is lost in this conflict is
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  Speaker 7: on the shoulders of Hamas, Hamas alone, Hamas alone. And
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  Speaker 7: I think you have to really add in the word Iran.
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  Speaker 7: Think of this. We immediately announced that we're giving Hamas
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  Speaker 7: $ 100 million. We're going to give it to them into Gaza,
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  Speaker 7: but they take it, 100 percent of it.
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  Speaker 5: They don't take 90 percent.
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  Speaker 7: They take 100 percent.
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  Speaker 5: The Biden State Department, which is.
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  Speaker 7: Admitting colossal amounts of jihadists into our communities and campuses
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  Speaker 7: and our refugee programs. That's why you see all of
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  Speaker 7: these big demonstrations.
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  Speaker 5: In New York and Chicago. Nobody can believe what's taking place.
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  Speaker 5: They're letting them in at levels.
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  Speaker 7: That nobody's ever seen before.
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  Speaker 5: We cannot allow that to happen. And we don't want
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  Speaker 5: to be like Europe. with jihads on every corner.
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  Speaker 7: I will cancel the student visas of Hamas and sympathizers
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  Speaker 7: on college campuses.
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  Speaker 5: The college campuses are being taken over.
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  Speaker 7: And all of the resident aliens who joined in the
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  Speaker 7: pro-jihadist protest this month, nobody's ever seen anything like it.
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  Speaker 7: Come 2025, we will find you and we will deport you.
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  Speaker 5: We will deport you.
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  Speaker 2: A chicken in every pot and a jihad on every corner.
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  Speaker 5: I have to say, look, I don't like Trump, but
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  Speaker 5: I think that Oberlin Hamas exchange program was a mistake.
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  Speaker 1: Tommy, would there be peace in the Middle East and
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  Speaker 1: calm in the streets if Trump were president right now?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm really never happier that he's no longer president
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  Speaker 8: than when there is some sort of global crisis or
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  Speaker 8: war breaking out or conflagration. You can imagine him in
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  Speaker 8: the Situation Room, refuses to turn off Fox and Friends.
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  Speaker 3: He's retweeting Cat Turd or whatever he does.
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  Speaker 8: I would argue that despite what President Trump said there,
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  Speaker 8: that his policies actually helped get us to where we
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  Speaker 8: are today and made things worse. That's because, starting at
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  Speaker 8: the top, Hamas is evil.
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  Speaker 3: It's a terrorist organization. They have a founding charter. You
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  Speaker 3: can read it.
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  Speaker 2: It's anti-Semitic.
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  Speaker 8: It is designed to eliminate the state of Israel and
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  Speaker 8: the terror attack on October 7th was unjustifiable and evil
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  Speaker 8: and indefensible. And it's completely understandable that the Israelis would
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  Speaker 8: respond with military and intelligence operations first.
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  Speaker 3: But I do think.
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  Speaker 8: Long-term to actually eradicate Hamas, you have to get to
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  Speaker 8: the root cause of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. You have to
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  Speaker 8: improve the life for Palestinians and you have to get
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  Speaker 8: back into a process of negotiations that can lead to
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  Speaker 8: a two-state solution in a Palestinian state. And so what
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  Speaker 8: Trump did in office with his dumb ass son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
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  Speaker 8: was he empowered Hamas by systematically undercutting the Palestinian Authority.
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  Speaker 8: You have basically two power centers for the Palestinian people.
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  Speaker 8: There's Hamas and the PA, the Palestinian Authority. And Trump
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  Speaker 8: cut aid to the Palestinian Authority. He undercut the PA
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  Speaker 8: in negotiations on final status negotiations about a two-state solution
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  Speaker 8: by recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and moving.
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  Speaker 3: Our embassy there.
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  Speaker 8: And then his entire focus started to be on the
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  Speaker 8: Abraham Accords by the end of the administration, which are
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  Speaker 8: these deals between Israel and basically a bunch of regional
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  Speaker 8: autocrats like the UAE or Sudan to normalize relations with
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  Speaker 8: Israel after given major incentives from the United States, often
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  Speaker 8: it was weapons systems, et cetera. Now, like the normalization,
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  Speaker 8: the Abraham Accords and the normalization deals are not bad
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  Speaker 8: in and of themselves, but they made the Palestinian leadership
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  Speaker 8: and the Palestinian people felt like they were left behind
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  Speaker 8: and like they were an afterthought and.
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  Speaker 3: Desperate and hopeless.
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  Speaker 8: And like there was no way out of Gaza or that,
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  Speaker 8: you know, their future was a life under a military
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  Speaker 8: occupation in the West Bank without, hope for a Palestinian state.
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  Speaker 8: And so that kind of desperation and hopelessness is fuel
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  Speaker 8: for an organization like Hamas that can point to the
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  Speaker 8: Palestinian Authority and say, look at them, they are feckless,
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  Speaker 8: they are corrupt, they've not delivered a thing for you
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  Speaker 8: through this political track, come to our side, we'll take
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  Speaker 8: direct action. And that can be a powerful message in
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  Speaker 8: that kind of situation. we need to, going forward, make
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  Speaker 8: sure that that lunatic is never the president of the
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  Speaker 8: United States again. But also, Joe Biden, I think the
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  Speaker 8: Biden administration needs to focus much more on getting the
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  Speaker 8: Israelis and Palestinians into a room, back into negotiations, and
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  Speaker 8: I think less on the kind of Abraham Accord agreements
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  Speaker 8: with the Saudis that they've been more focused on.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it feels like we could be at war
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  Speaker 1: with Iran right now if uh, he was president since
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  Speaker 1: he was saying, uh, and I would throw the word
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  Speaker 1: Iran in there.
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  Speaker 2: Too, just, which is something you want to say off
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  Speaker 2: the cuff. I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, I'm going to say one word, Hamas and Iran.
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  Speaker 1: Also, also if he was president, I think we could
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  Speaker 1: very well be seeing like crackdowns and deportations on campuses
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  Speaker 1: right now because he's, we've, we've seen him do this
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  Speaker 1: with protests before. Like, I don't think he would be, uh,
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  Speaker 1: handling that so well.
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  Speaker 6: The free speech warriors in the Republican party. Seriously, John.
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  Speaker 1: Um, So Alyssa, some of the other Republican candidates, Nikki
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  Speaker 1: Haley did it during that event, clearly thought that they
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  Speaker 1: would be able to make an issue out of Trump's
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  Speaker 1: Hezbollah praise and his Netanyahu criticism. Judging by that crowd
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  Speaker 1: of Jewish Republicans and all the polls, they seem to
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  Speaker 1: have failed.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you think that is?
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  Speaker 4: You guys.
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  Speaker 9: Clearly the Republicans have the memory of goldfishes.
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  Speaker 4: They don't care.
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  Speaker 9: This is, you know, like Tommy said, Trump did some
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  Speaker 9: things that would make them happy when he was president.
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  Speaker 4: He moved the embassy to Jerusalem, things like that.
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  Speaker 9: But mostly, this is like the first time he was
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  Speaker 9: really in a room back to back, you know, which
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  Speaker 9: we would call a cattle call, like of all the
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  Speaker 9: other candidates. And the truth of the matter is, like,
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  Speaker 9: his base shows up. Like they want to hear what
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  Speaker 9: he has to say. They almost don't care what he's saying.
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  Speaker 9: They just want to hear him talk. And I mean,
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  Speaker 9: also on the one.
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  Speaker 4: Hand, Nikki Haley, girl.
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  Speaker 9: Your qualification being like, as president, I would not compliment
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  Speaker 9: Hezbollah is like not exactly what I'm looking for.
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  Speaker 4: I hope so. It seems like a low barrier to entry.
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  Speaker 4: But look, I mean, this is.
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  Speaker 9: The same man that told people during a global pandemic to.
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  Speaker 4: Inject bleach into their arms. And people are like, you
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  Speaker 4: know what?
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  Speaker 9: Let's give him another chance.
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  Speaker 4: And so it didn't.
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  Speaker 9: Really surprise me, though I have to tell you, watching
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  Speaker 9: that clip, I was like I did not miss him
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  Speaker 9: that is that level of stupidity to be confronted with
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  Speaker 9: daily he's sort of.
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  Speaker 1: Been hiding out like we haven't been seeing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of him I think when people see more of them
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  Speaker 1: be like oh yeah I also think like he he
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  Speaker 1: did his he did his penance he praised BB after
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  Speaker 1: he made those comments But he's not super interested in
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  Speaker 1: the standing with Israel part.
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  Speaker 2: What he's much more interested.
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  Speaker 1: In is scaring Americans into thinking that dark-skinned foreigners are
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  Speaker 1: coming to cause us harm.
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  Speaker 2: Totally. And he's the only one who can protect us.
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  Speaker 9: But, like, also, Republicans, do you not remember when he
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  Speaker 9: was still on Twitter and hate-tweeting Kim Jong-un? I mean, like,
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  Speaker 9: this is not someone we want to be president of.
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  Speaker 9: when the stakes are as high as they are. And
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  Speaker 9: so it was very sad to see him get the
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  Speaker 9: applause that he got, but it's not exactly like he
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  Speaker 9: was confronted with other dynamic competitors.
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  Speaker 2: That is also true.
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  Speaker 1: Dan, the White House responded to Trump's promise to reinstate
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  Speaker 1: an expanded Muslim ban with a statement that said, opposing
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  Speaker 1: hate is more pressing now than ever as American Muslims
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  Speaker 1: and Arab Americans increasingly find themselves the targets of appalling
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  Speaker 1: smears and heartbreaking violence. So Biden's obviously the president who
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  Speaker 1: repealed Trump's Muslim ban. Why do you think they also
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  Speaker 1: wanted to weigh in on those specific comments?
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  Speaker 10: I think Biden is obviously torn. The Democratic Party is
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  Speaker 10: very divided on Joe Biden's response to Israel, what it means,
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  Speaker 10: whether he's doing enough or saying enough or expressing enough
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  Speaker 10: empathy for the people suffering in Gaza, and also responding
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  Speaker 10: to we are having across the board there is a
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  Speaker 10: a raft of anti-Semitic commentary and rhetoric and attacks in
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  Speaker 10: this country. There has been anti-Muslim attacks and rhetoric in
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  Speaker 10: this country. And Biden is right to speak out about
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  Speaker 10: what Trump wants to do is to weaponize the fear
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  Speaker 10: that is happening here for political gain.
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  Speaker 6: To call it out for.
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  Speaker 10: And it is also notable that Trump's Muslim ban was
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  Speaker 10: one of his most unpopular policies that he put in place.
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  Speaker 10: And to remind people that that is what he would do.
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  Speaker 10: He's another person who would divide in this very dangerous time.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think also it's to sort of send a
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  Speaker 1: message that, like, yes, Biden repealed the Muslim ban. Biden
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  Speaker 1: will continue to speak out against Islamophobia. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: in 2025, it's either going to probably be Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: or Joe Biden as president. And if it's Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 1: this is what you're going to get from him.
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  Speaker 2: Love it.
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  Speaker 1: So here's to Dan's point about the Democratic Party divide.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a pair of fun headlines from the New York
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  Speaker 1: Times over the weekend. The first is Democrats splinter over
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  Speaker 1: Israel as the young diverse left rages at Biden. And
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  Speaker 1: the second is primary battles brew over progressive Democrats' stances
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  Speaker 1: on Israel. So this seems like a split that's unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: only going to get worse as the death toll rises
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  Speaker 1: in Gaza. How do you think President Biden is handling
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  Speaker 1: the issue?
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  Speaker 2: How about that for the question? I give love at
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  Speaker 2: the hard one.
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  Speaker 5: I got this. So, first, just a caveat that no,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not the person who understands how Joe Biden should
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  Speaker 5: handle the delicate, strategic, and diplomatic and political challenge of
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  Speaker 5: Israel and Palestine at a moment of a generational crisis.
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  Speaker 2: Why not?
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  Speaker 3: Just working on the game.
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  Speaker 5: Because we're touring. I've been watching a lot of Survivor. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: So just everyone heard that caveat?
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  Speaker 3: Great.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like it is, I think, important that we're
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  Speaker 5: seeing a little bit more of Trump as just a
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  Speaker 5: bit of a refresher as to where the base of
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  Speaker 5: the party is on this issue, having Vivek out there
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  Speaker 5: saying these sort of bloodthirsty things, having Trump out there
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  Speaker 5: with this Islamophobia, sort of complimenting what people like Lindsey
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  Speaker 5: Graham have already been out there saying, kind of representing
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  Speaker 5: what the right actually believes, which is sort of an
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  Speaker 5: unfettered approval of an unrestrained response by Israel. On the
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  Speaker 5: other hand, you have, I think, a lot of anti-Semitism,
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  Speaker 5: a lot of anti-Israel propaganda, a lot of misinformation meant to,
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  Speaker 5: I think, rightly kind of speak to the concerns and
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  Speaker 5: pain and fear and people have legitimately for the Palestinians,
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  Speaker 5: but at the same time, I think, alienating the vast
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  Speaker 5: group of people in the middle who believe in both
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  Speaker 5: the humanitarian responsibility that the world has to the people
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  Speaker 5: of Gaza, as well as understanding and having empathy for
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  Speaker 5: Israel and the crisis it's in, the losses it's experienced.
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  Speaker 5: So I think there's two things.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 5: In word and in deed. Look, the challenge, right, is
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  Speaker 5: we don't know the difference between what Joe Biden says publicly,
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  Speaker 5: what the administration says publicly, what the administration is doing
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  Speaker 5: to pressure Israel behind the scenes. But that being said,
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  Speaker 5: I think that there is more Joe Biden could be
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  Speaker 5: doing to speak to that growing, progressive, young part of
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  Speaker 5: the party that truly doesn't understand why the United States
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  Speaker 5: isn't putting more pressure on Israel. And I think that
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  Speaker 5: that calls for actions, but also calls for words. And
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  Speaker 5: just speaking to that concern directly and explaining more directly, A,
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  Speaker 5: what we can be doing to protect people in Gaza,
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  Speaker 5: and B, why part of this deeper problem is not
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  Speaker 5: just what Israel is doing to remove Hamas, but also
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  Speaker 5: the failures on the part of Hamas, on the part
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  Speaker 5: of the Palestinian Authority, the failures that have happened inside
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  Speaker 5: of Gaza, inside of the leadership on behalf of the
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  Speaker 5: Palestinians that has helped lead to this moment.
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  Speaker 5: academic, lefty, online jargon like settler colonialism
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  Speaker 5: to speak out when people say things like from the
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  Speaker 5: river to the sea, which is terrifying to people that
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  Speaker 5: follow it to its logical implication, which is that there
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  Speaker 5: cannot be a state of Israel, that there's a value
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  Speaker 5: to denouncing that because it's like, why are you calling
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  Speaker 5: for this kind of denunciation? The crisis right now is
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  Speaker 5: that they're bombarding Gaza, that thousands of people in Gaza
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  Speaker 5: are dying, and I appreciate that. I hear that, but
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  Speaker 5: What I see is that I think the most effective
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  Speaker 5: way to advocate on behalf of the humanitarian needs of
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  Speaker 5: the people of Gaza, the safety and lives of the
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  Speaker 5: people in Gaza, is being part of this big coalition
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  Speaker 5: that understands that the future of Israelis and the future
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  Speaker 5: of Palestinians are linked, and that you need people that
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  Speaker 5: believe in a free and safe democratic and Jewish state
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  Speaker 5: of Israel to demonstrate that they believe in the humanity
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  Speaker 5: of people in Gaza, but you also, those people that
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  Speaker 5: are advocating and believe in Israel want to be part
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  Speaker 5: of a coalition with the people advocating on behalf of
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  Speaker 5: Gazans that your advocacy isn't at the expense of Israel's
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  Speaker 5: right to exist to the safety and freedom of people
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  Speaker 5: in Israel as well. And I feel like that is
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  Speaker 5: a big group of people. That is sort of the
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  Speaker 5: big middle between the very far right which does not give,
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  Speaker 5: that basically wants Israel to level Gaza and the very
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  Speaker 5: far left that doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, look, I think if the progressive movement
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  Speaker 1: is about anything, it's about solidarity. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: it is possible and important to hold two ideas in
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  Speaker 1: your head at the same time, which is you can
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  Speaker 1: want solidarity Joe Biden to do more to pressure Bibi
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  Speaker 1: to go after Hamas in a way that results in
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  Speaker 1: fewer civilian casualties, a lot less suffering, and a war
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't spread throughout the Middle East. And if Biden
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  Speaker 1: doesn't think that's possible or wise, he needs to tell
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  Speaker 1: the American people why. And then I think Jewish Democrats
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  Speaker 1: who are upset with progressives, like you said, want them
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  Speaker 1: to be more forceful, not only in their denunciation of Hamas,
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  Speaker 1: but also in their denunciation of the disgusting anti-Semitism that
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing here in the US and all over the world.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think those two, I think you can
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  Speaker 1: advocate for both those things.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think they should be in conflict at all.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, just to say it simply, it's like,
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: that if you care about advocating for humanitarian aid and
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: relief for people in Gaza, you are in a much
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: better position to do that when you're advocating it as
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: part of a big coalition that recognizes, that, whatever, I've
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: said it already, move on. How many more weeks are
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: we going to talk about this? I guess forever.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Tommy, it does seem like every day more and more
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: progressives are calling for a ceasefire. You have, I saw
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: you on Twitter. I also see you in person, but
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I saw you on Twitter.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: That's the public.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Why do you think the Biden administration isn't there yet
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: for people who are just wondering? Like what's going on?
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: So President Biden and a lot of people around him
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: think that the better path in terms of actually influencing
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: Bibi Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel and getting them
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: to do what they want is to back him publicly
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: and then fight with him.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Privately.
• 19:50
  Speaker 8: I've been in meetings with these same people giving the
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: same advice when it was President Obama. They say hug
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: Bibi in Joe Biden's case to Israel. That was physically happened.
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: But then, you know, tell them what you really think
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: in private. And I'll just be honest, I fucking hate that.
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: I hate that philosophy. I I hate that approach for
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: a couple of reasons.
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: One, I.
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: Don't trust Bibi Netanyahu. I don't think he's a good leader.
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: I don't think he's an honest person. And I don't
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: think we should outsource decision-making to him. Two, if you
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: only speak your mind privately, then you forego your ability
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: to define the narrative and tell the world what you think.
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: And if Biden has concerns about the way the Netanyahu
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: government is conducting this operation in Gaza, the world is
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: not hearing it. The world thinks that everything the Israeli
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: government does is backed 100% by the United States. And
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: so in fairness to Joe Biden, I think that his
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: trip to Israel and his pressure from him personally and
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: from his team is part of the reason that the
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: Israeli government did not launch a preemptive strike on Hezbollah
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: in Lebanon, which would have been an unmitigated disaster. It
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: would be opening a second front in this war is
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: about the scariest thing I could imagine.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: But if the U.S.
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: Has been pressuring Israel privately to allow more aid into Gaza,
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: to dial back the airstrikes, to forego a ground invasion,
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: then they have failed and seemingly failed catastrophically. And so, listen, again,
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: I'm a podcaster, right? I'm not living next to Hamas.
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: I'm sitting here in Los Angeles, the comfortable life. But
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: I fully understand that right after the terrorist attack on
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: the 7th of October, that the Israeli Defense Forces had
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: to target Hamas. They had to take out the rockets
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: that were still being launched into Israel. Days and days later,
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: they had to go after their leadership. They had to
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: try to disrupt any kind of Hamas operations they could
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: find to rescue hostages in those early days. But now
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: we're sitting here three plus weeks later, 7,000 airstrikes later
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: in an area half the size of New York City,
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: the latest casualty count on Sunday night was 8,000 people
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: are dead, many of them children. And so what I
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: would like to see is at least some sort of,
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: at least a temporary ceasefire. Some of the timeframes have
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: been floated, let's say five days. You get humanitarian aid
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: into Gaza. You begin negotiations around getting back hostages. I think, unfortunately,
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: if history proves to be true now, that We're going
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: to get hostages back. The Israelis will get hostages back
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: through some sort of prisoner release and swap. That's what
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: happened when Hamas took a soldier named Gilad Shalit, held
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: him for five years, and the Israelis ended up having
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: to trade, let 1,000 prisoners out of Israeli prisons to
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: get back Shalit. I think something similar might happen here. But,
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: you know, like, big, big, big picture. I don't want
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: to see Israel get drawn into a bigger... quagmire, ground invasion,
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: a broader regional conflict that includes Hezbollah, which has a
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: lot better arms and 10 times the funding from Iran
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: and would just be a very, very scary proposition. You know,
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: and I think Joe Biden went over to Israel and
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: was like, you know, don't repeat the mistakes we made
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: after 9-11. Don't react out of vengeance. It's like, think
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: about this. I think that's very good advice. And I'm
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: hoping that some sort of like temporary pause or ceasefire
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: could lead to a more measured response because the Israeli
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: government is saying like, this is going to take a
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: long time. This will be months long process is a
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: long campaign. So, you know, let's get relief into these
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: people who desperately need it now.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I think Tommy fixed it. So come to Cleveland.
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: They said to Alyssa, we'll have a light conversation about politics.
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: These guys know that I was like, Here's the thing.
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: I'm going to be super honest with you guys. I
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: feel very self-conscious when I'm put in a position to
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: talk about something that I don't know a ton about.
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: And I wish more people were like me a little bit.
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: I think in general, we all wish more people were
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: like you.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: It's like, here's what I would just say. This is
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: my two cents.
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: Protesting what the Israeli government is doing is fine. It's
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: what this country is built on. You can protest and
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: it's freedom of speech, but for God's sake, do it peacefully.
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: Don't do it in a way that makes people who
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: are already afraid and living in a fear that you
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: possibly can't understand feel more fearful. And I think that
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: that's just so important on social media and You know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: I was telling these guys, I have gone down such
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: a spiral because I see something and I have to
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: fact check it like five different times because I want
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: to make sure whatever I'm reading is true. And so
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: I would just say that I think so many people
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: have good intentions and just really think about, you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: when you are talking to someone about this issue, you know,
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: It may be an intellectual exercise for you, but it
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: may be them revealing to you their deepest pain. And
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: so don't discount that by trying to win an argument.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: That is a.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Good note to end on.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll be right back.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Now it's time for OK Stop. You know how it works.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: We roll a clip. Sort of. We comment as we go.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: This week on OK Stop, Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: You know him, you love him.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Big fans. Got some big Johnson fans.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: We've already forgotten who he is. But before we forgot him,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Before we knew him, before he was a member of Congress,
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: he was a candidate. And when he was a candidate,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: he gave a sermon where he laid out his philosophy.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: What he believed about the culture. And also what he
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: believed about certain gigantic boats. And what could have been
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: on them. And it's a lot more than you'd think.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Let's roll the clip.
• 26:54
  Speaker 11: Some of y'all were around in the late 60s. You
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: remember what that was about. The counter-cultural revolution. Woodstock and
• 26:59
  Speaker 11: drugs and peace and free love and all that. But
• 27:01
  Speaker 11: more about the undermining of the foundations of religion and morality.
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: Because if you remember, in the late 60s, we invented
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: things like no-fault divorce laws. We invented the sexual revolution.
• 27:11
  Speaker 11: We invented radical feminism. We invented legalized abortion in 1973.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Okay, stop.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 27:20
  Speaker 9: Radical feminism. Oh my God, whatever will we do? We
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: invented no-fault divorce.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Could you imagine?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Invented like we're Edison cranking things out in a lab.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Also, who's we?
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: Getting a patent for no-fault divorce.
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: What role did Mike Johnson play, we?
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: It's real don't threaten me with a good time list.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: Look, everything went downhill after Ma terminated that pregnancy. Sure,
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: she was 47, but she and Walter could have made
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: it work. Did that work for anybody? Me! I love Maude!
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Do people in Cleveland know about Maude?
• 28:02
  Speaker 9: Maude was the first woman in prime time to get
• 28:05
  Speaker 9: an abortion.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: Welcome.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: And that's not on my cards, I knew that.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: We know that we're living in a completely amoral society.
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: And so people say, how can a young person go
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: into their schoolhouse and open fire on their classmates? Because
• 28:21
  Speaker 11: we've taught a whole generation, a couple of generations now
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: of Americans that there is no right and wrong, that
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: it's about survival of the fittest, and you evolve from
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: the primordial slime.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Okay, stop.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Fuck the primordial slime?
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: Look, I was going to become a pastor. But now
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: that I know about the voyage of the beagle, I'm
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: going to kill a volleyball team. You see the finches
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: had different their noses. The finches with the longer beaks survived.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Now I'm going to kill everybody. He drew little pictures
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: in his little book of all the different animals he
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: saw in the Galapagos. And ever since I have this
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: image in my mind. Sorry.
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 29:18
  Speaker 11: You can't read the words, they're real small, but if
• 29:19
  Speaker 11: you drive around the state of Kentucky all over the interstate,
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: you'll see this billboard. Answers in Genesis put it up.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, stop.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Just so people understand for reference. Mike Johnson is showing
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: a billboard for Ark Encounter, a creationist museum in Kentucky
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: dedicated to the Great Flood and the construction of Noah's
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Ark as real, historical, verifiable events, including explaining... how they
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: got all the dinosaurs on there.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: A lot of dinos on the Ark, guys. A lot
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: of dinos on the Ark. It's a big boat.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: And there was room for all the dinosaurs on there.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: And that's so important.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: So important.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: All right, let's continue.
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: To all of our liberal, intolerant friends, thank God you
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: can't sink this ship.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: Okay, stop.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: That was a laugh line. I don't understand.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: So the billboard is a picture of Noah's Ark, and
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: it says, to all our liberal, intolerant friends, thank God
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: you couldn't sink this ship. I don't even understand what
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: it means.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Like, of course we... We didn't exist. We're modern day people.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Nor would we have wanted to sink the ship if
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: it had existed.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Can you sink a metaphor?
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: Also, I'm really struggling with this band set up in
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: the back because you know just the most cringy creed
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: shit is about to get played.
• 30:48
  Speaker 10: It's like what happened immediately prior or immediately after this sermon?
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I think this was the big event of the day.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: He's a keynote.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: I just think it doesn't make sense. Like, hey liberals,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: we wouldn't let you on this ship then, you wouldn't
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: get on now. That's at least something. Yeah. You know, hey,
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: God flooded the earth.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: But maybe not historically accurate.
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: But I've also seen Jurassic World and you don't get
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: on the boat with the dinosaurs.
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: And the dinosaurs can swim.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: They're in the water too.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: That's the other part.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: You guys, we've cracked the code here.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I could talk about the Ark thing forever.
• 31:26
  Speaker 12: We're getting to the.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Bottom of the Ark.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Look, I know I brought it up. What I really
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: don't understand, I still, like the Ark is not even
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: the most confusing part to me. The most confusing part
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: to me is the first couple years post-Ark. That's just,
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: I don't get it. I don't know what they're eating.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Were there extra species just to be consumed? Because it's
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: like if you're going to, because these are predators that
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: need to eat other birds. And so it's like, are
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: there birds we don't have because those are the ones....
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: There's a big hole in the plot line in the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Bible between.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Suddenly you're just like, whoa, did I miss a page?
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: So you're like, where did the white walkers go? This
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense anymore.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: Do you think he brought all the freshwater fish on
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: the boat?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: That's a great question.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: Interesting.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Was it all fresh water? Just two of each fish?
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: Is it all fresh water?
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: You guys, I feel like I missed a lot in
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: fourth grade history.
• 32:26
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: If we ever did an interview with Mike Johnson, these
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: are the only questions.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Uh-oh.
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: Nothing about the supplemental.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Or government funding or his views on whatever.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I'd just be like, we've got to talk about the Ark.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I just want to talk about the Ark.
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: Vintage Tim Russer, just like follow-up after follow-up after follow-up.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Picture up on the screen.
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: Okay.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: So, no, but this is neat.
• 32:52
  Speaker 11: Do you all watch the New Year's Eve, Rockin' New
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: Year's Eve with the ball drops for New Year's Eve?
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: So Kelly and I put the kids to bed.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: We were watching it.
• 32:58
  Speaker 11: And this year, Ryan Seacrest is standing there in Times Square.
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: And I see over his shoulder, Kelly, come here, come here.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Okay, stop.
• 33:06
  Speaker 9: Do they still call it Rockin' New Year's Eve?
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: Just thinking of poor Kelly in another room having a
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: solitary moment of peace. Just gripping the counter and thinking
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: of Someone else, somewhere else.
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: No-fault divorce.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Just regretting her decision to get into this covenant marriage.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: All right, we can keep going. Maybe they're happy.
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: Giant digital billboard right over Ryan Seacrest's shoulder. There's like
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: 20 billion people watching it. Is that, to all of
• 33:44
  Speaker 11: our intolerant liberal friends, it's like, they did not do that.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: They did. They went there. Okay, stop.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: They went there, girlfriend. And we all remember, after liberals
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: saw this vague and confusing billboard behind Ryan Seacrest in Manhattan,
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: we all gave up completely, and the conservatives had won.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: Every Jewish gay guy married their bossiest single girlfriend.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Barack Obama sent Lena Dunham to Gitmo. We all remember that.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that happened.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: When that happened. Hillary agreed not to go to Wisconsin.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, Tom. Was that too soon? Jesus Christ.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Still too soon. Still too soon. What did you want, Dan?
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: We stopped pretending to recycle.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: After we saw that billboard, Disney released a short film
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: where Woody and Buzz Lightyear bullied that boy from Luca
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: until he went back to the sea. Back to the
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: sea with you. No finding love on the land, you
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: little Italian boy in this metaphor. And that's okay.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: Stop.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: When we come back, Ohio Representative Amelia Sykes.
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: Joining us now is a representative for Ohio's 13th Congressional District,
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: Congresswoman Amelia Sykes. Thank you.
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: Thank you.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Ohio Democrats turned out, huh?
• 35:32
  Speaker 12: Yes, they did. What else did you expect, right?
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I'm impressed.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I'm impressed.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here.
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: It's great timing because you guys have a big election
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: coming up in November.
• 35:45
  Speaker 12: No, hadn't heard of it.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: So for folks at home, can we start with issue one?
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: Can you explain to.
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: Folks on the podcast who might not know about issue one,
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: about how important this vote is for abortion rights in
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: the state of Ohio.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 36:03
  Speaker 14: Issue one is very simple. It is going to codify
• 36:06
  Speaker 14: in our state's constitution the right for women to access
• 36:09
  Speaker 14: abortion services in Ohio.
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: It's very simple. But wait, there's more.
• 36:18
  Speaker 14: There's more because not only will it say that people
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: can access abortion services, that there is a constitutional right
• 36:24
  Speaker 14: for birth control. for fertility treatment, for miscarriage care, all
• 36:29
  Speaker 14: of the things that a person of reproductive age wants
• 36:33
  Speaker 14: access to. So not only can we grow our families,
• 36:37
  Speaker 14: start our families, we can survive in a state like
• 36:40
  Speaker 14: Ohio that has one of the worst maternal mortality.
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: Rates in the entire country.
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: So we're going to win, but what happens if we don't?
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: What are the stakes?
• 36:58
  Speaker 14: Well, if we don't win, and we are not speaking
• 37:00
  Speaker 14: that to existence because as excited as this crowd is,
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: that's what people feel like all over the state. There
• 37:06
  Speaker 14: has been a lot of confusion. There was an issue
• 37:10
  Speaker 14: one in August. There was an issue one in November.
• 37:12
  Speaker 14: August was no. November is yes. The ballot board had
• 37:17
  Speaker 14: some very strange language. They rewrote the language to be
• 37:21
  Speaker 14: longer than the actual ballot language, took out all of
• 37:24
  Speaker 14: the meaningful pieces of information so folks actually knew what
• 37:27
  Speaker 14: the ballot language was going to do. And now we
• 37:29
  Speaker 14: have our governor doing a press tour saying, hey, guys,
• 37:34
  Speaker 14: don't worry. We'll put those exceptions in that we've been
• 37:37
  Speaker 14: fighting against for the past 10 years.
• 37:40
  Speaker 12: Just trust me. And so we are.
• 37:46
  Speaker 14: So we are not thinking of what's going to happen
• 37:49
  Speaker 14: when this fails, because it cannot fail.
• 37:51
  Speaker 12: It cannot fail. This is a must pass ballot initiative.
• 37:55
  Speaker 14: And that's why you're seeing such excited, exuberant people all
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: across the state and really all across this country who
• 38:01
  Speaker 14: wants to see a state like Ohio, y'all, Ohio, make
• 38:06
  Speaker 14: sure that we are enshrining abortion rights and reproductive rights
• 38:09
  Speaker 14: in our Constitution.
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: So I'm excited. You guys are excited too, right? We're
• 38:14
  Speaker 12: not going to fail. We're not going to fail.
• 38:17
  Speaker 8: So I know that you've been working on maternal health
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: issues for a very long time, not just in U.S.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Congress, but here in Ohio.
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: How big is this moment, is this vote for that
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: broader set of issues that you've dedicated your career to?
• 38:29
  Speaker 14: Well, they're very much one and of each other because.
• 38:34
  Speaker 14: When you look at states that have abortion bans like
• 38:36
  Speaker 14: we have in Ohio, we have some of the highest
• 38:38
  Speaker 14: maternal mortality rates. And that means people who have tried
• 38:42
  Speaker 14: to get pregnant are looking forward to pregnancies, can't have them.
• 38:45
  Speaker 14: And in addition to our maternal mortality rates being high,
• 38:48
  Speaker 14: our infant mortality rates are high. So we're talking about
• 38:51
  Speaker 14: devastation in families because folks aren't being able to access
• 38:54
  Speaker 14: the care they need, when they need it, how they
• 38:57
  Speaker 14: need it. And while I think I'm pretty smart, I'm
• 39:00
  Speaker 14: not the one that should be answering the questions as
• 39:02
  Speaker 14: to when someone can have an abortion, can go to
• 39:06
  Speaker 14: an emergency room, should be on a certain type of medication.
• 39:09
  Speaker 12: That's not my job.
• 39:11
  Speaker 14: Unfortunately, many of my colleagues don't have that level of
• 39:14
  Speaker 14: humility to understand there are things that we do and
• 39:17
  Speaker 14: do well, and there are some places we should not
• 39:19
  Speaker 14: be a part of. And decisions about reproductive health care,
• 39:22
  Speaker 14: what's happening in doctor's offices is not a place where
• 39:25
  Speaker 14: I should be. And I don't want to be there.
• 39:27
  Speaker 14: I want you to be there in the comfort with your...
• 39:30
  Speaker 14: loved ones, your physicians, your health care providers. But unfortunately,
• 39:34
  Speaker 14: we're not getting that. So I am very worried about
• 39:36
  Speaker 14: the maternal health crisis in Ohio, especially as a black woman.
• 39:41
  Speaker 14: Black women have some of the worst maternal death rates
• 39:45
  Speaker 14: and morbidity rates in this state, in addition to the country.
• 39:49
  Speaker 14: And we are constantly trying to convince our colleagues that
• 39:52
  Speaker 14: this is a matter of life and death for us.
• 39:54
  Speaker 14: And you either have to care about us or you don't.
• 39:57
  Speaker 14: And you let me know that you don't care about
• 39:59
  Speaker 14: me by supporting anti-abortion legislation. And if you're voting no
• 40:04
  Speaker 14: on one, I know exactly what you think about women.
• 40:06
  Speaker 14: You don't think anything about us. You can tell I
• 40:15
  Speaker 14: care about.
• 40:15
  Speaker 12: This a little bit, right? Just a little bit.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Just gonna air out that applause. That's good stuff.
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: We were in Kentucky yesterday, bastion of liberalism. We were
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: knocking doors with some amazing organizers from Planned Parenthood. We
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: were in a very Catholic neighborhood and we talked to
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: a couple of folks who were like, listen, folks who
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: looked like me in 30 years, right? Like people don't
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: look like Democrats. We're like, oh yeah, I'm pulling the lever,
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: straight take a Democrat for the first time. in my
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: life because of abortion access. But the other thing that
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: some of the organizers were talking about at the doors
• 40:59
  Speaker 8: was the concern that birth control was next, that they
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: were coming after all sorts of steps in the bedroom.
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: Is that something that you're talking to voters about? Is
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: that a concern here?
• 41:10
  Speaker 12: Absolutely.
• 41:11
  Speaker 14: But the biggest issue is freedom, the freedom to choose
• 41:14
  Speaker 14: your own destiny. And to have some dude someplace deciding
• 41:19
  Speaker 14: what I can and cannot do or this person deciding
• 41:22
  Speaker 14: what you can or you can or you can or cannot.
• 41:25
  Speaker 12: Do, it's absurd.
• 41:26
  Speaker 14: And so when I talk to people, I talk about
• 41:28
  Speaker 14: freedom and the ability to make decisions for yourself and
• 41:31
  Speaker 14: who is the person who is best situated to do it.
• 41:35
  Speaker 14: It's obviously you. It's not the Speaker of the House.
• 41:38
  Speaker 14: It's not our governor. It's not our attorney general. And
• 41:41
  Speaker 14: it certainly is not our Secretary of State.
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: So why... Would.
• 41:46
  Speaker 14: We allow them the opportunity to make such important decisions?
• 41:50
  Speaker 12: And we're not.
• 41:51
  Speaker 14: And so when I say to you, we cannot lose.
• 41:54
  Speaker 14: We're not going to lose because we cannot lose. And
• 41:57
  Speaker 14: I am repetitive in that way. I used to be
• 42:00
  Speaker 14: a cheerleader, so repetition is the key. You have to
• 42:02
  Speaker 14: say it over and over again. That's how people remember.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: I like it a lot. I like it a lot.
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: Speaking of dudes who want to tell us all what
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: to do, have you met the new Speaker of the House, Mr.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: Mike Johnson?
• 42:13
  Speaker 13: No.
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: No one has met the guy. Like, did he just
• 42:18
  Speaker 8: come out of nowhere for everybody?
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I.
• 42:21
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 42:22
  Speaker 14: So I am a first-term member of Congress, so that
• 42:24
  Speaker 14: gives me a little bit of leeway. But when Susan
• 42:27
  Speaker 14: Collins said, maybe I have to Google this dude and
• 42:30
  Speaker 14: I can figure out who he is.
• 42:31
  Speaker 12: And how he can work, I mean... Jeez. He's one
• 42:36
  Speaker 12: of your people.
• 42:36
  Speaker 14: You could show him a little bit more love. But
• 42:39
  Speaker 14: we are finding more about him. We're learning more about him,
• 42:42
  Speaker 14: as we just saw in the previous segment.
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: And.
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: You know, I was very.
• 42:46
  Speaker 14: Disappointed to see us just not do anything for weeks
• 42:49
  Speaker 14: at a time. We were supposed to be in our
• 42:51
  Speaker 14: districts working with our constituents. We had to cancel all
• 42:54
  Speaker 14: these meetings and people were expecting us.
• 42:57
  Speaker 12: And instead, we're in D.C.
• 42:58
  Speaker 14: Sitting around and just voting for people who don't have
• 43:00
  Speaker 14: enough votes and who knew they weren't going to have
• 43:02
  Speaker 14: enough votes to be speaker. Yet and still, the people
• 43:05
  Speaker 14: in our districts across the country were looking for us
• 43:07
  Speaker 14: to show up. looking for us to be in meetings
• 43:10
  Speaker 14: and talking about the work that we were doing. And
• 43:12
  Speaker 14: then next thing you know, in the middle of the night,
• 43:14
  Speaker 14: it seems like Mike Johnson gets the votes and the
• 43:17
  Speaker 14: nod from Donald Trump, and now he's our speaker. And
• 43:22
  Speaker 14: in the time that we've had to understand who he is,
• 43:25
  Speaker 14: it's really disappointing, but not really shocking, that we have
• 43:29
  Speaker 14: a Speaker of the House who wants to gut Social
• 43:30
  Speaker 14: Security and Medicaid, who wants every state in the country
• 43:34
  Speaker 14: to be a right to work, who does not believe
• 43:37
  Speaker 14: that there should be same-sex marriage, and wants a total
• 43:41
  Speaker 14: abortion ban. And so when you ask me why am
• 43:45
  Speaker 14: I so optimistic about issue one, it's because I have
• 43:48
  Speaker 14: to be. Because if someone like Mike Johnson is the
• 43:51
  Speaker 14: Speaker of the House, and he is, he's going to
• 43:54
  Speaker 14: push for a total abortion ban. And the only thing
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: that is going to save us is us in Ohio.
• 44:00
  Speaker 14: And that means issue one must pass.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: So we were in D.C. a couple weeks ago.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: We met.
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: We did an event on the Hill. Got to meet some, like,
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: really amazing, exciting, inspiring new members of Congress on the
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: Democrat side.
• 44:19
  Speaker 12: We have a great class.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: You guys, like, it's really an amazing group of people.
• 44:23
  Speaker 12: We have the best class ever.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're cool. They're fun. They're, like, brilliant in all
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: these different ways.
• 44:27
  Speaker 12: Can confirm, yes.
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: But it was so funny being with you all because, like,
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: we were all kind of gossiping and trying to figure
• 44:32
  Speaker 8: out what's coming up next, and nobody knew.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Everyone's just, like, checking Twitter. So can you just help everyone.
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: Understand, like, There's no one in charge of the House
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: of Representatives. What do the members do for like three weeks?
• 44:45
  Speaker 14: Well, we got really good at talking to one another
• 44:50
  Speaker 14: about who are we following on Twitter to figure out
• 44:52
  Speaker 14: where we would get information from. And it was really
• 44:55
  Speaker 14: interesting trying to see who is actually the. reporter, the
• 45:00
  Speaker 14: news person that was getting it right. And then we
• 45:02
  Speaker 14: were trying to figure out who was the mole in
• 45:04
  Speaker 14: the Republican conference. Because there's someone who's giving them all
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: the information. And one of the, Jake Sherman, he was
• 45:11
  Speaker 14: the guy. And it's like, who is calling Jake Sherman?
• 45:14
  Speaker 14: It's like play by play, second by second. And he
• 45:18
  Speaker 14: had more information than the people in the room. So
• 45:21
  Speaker 14: that was sort of one of the games we were playing,
• 45:24
  Speaker 14: trying to figure out what was going on.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I was playing the same game. It was a great game.
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: Speaking of members of Congress who we may or may
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: not know, do you know Dean Phillips? Do we have
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: any impression of him?
• 45:35
  Speaker 14: I am super excited that we have an administration that
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: has done great things for this country, including this state.
• 45:43
  Speaker 14: And if I could give a big shout out, because
• 45:45
  Speaker 14: we just got a tech hub in Akron. Are you
• 45:47
  Speaker 14: guys familiar with the tech hubs? And no, I'm not
• 45:51
  Speaker 14: going to answer your question, just in case you're wondering.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Perfect.
• 45:55
  Speaker 14: I'm going to take this opportunity to talk about what
• 45:57
  Speaker 14: the administration has done for Ohio's 13th district, because our
• 46:01
  Speaker 14: community had researched and applied for a tech hub last
• 46:04
  Speaker 14: year and was denied. And now we're going to have one.
• 46:07
  Speaker 14: And it's all around polymer science. And listen, polymers are
• 46:10
  Speaker 14: very cool. Just trust me. So if you're ever wondering
• 46:14
  Speaker 14: about plastics and polymers, come on to Ohio's 13th district.
• 46:16
  Speaker 14: We'll tell you all about it. But what I'm most
• 46:18
  Speaker 14: excited about is that we have an administration right now
• 46:21
  Speaker 14: that is doing what we've asked them to do.
• 46:24
  Speaker 12: That is supporting our workers.
• 46:26
  Speaker 14: That is trying to put more money in people's pockets,
• 46:28
  Speaker 14: that is being thoughtful about women's rights, about diversity, about
• 46:33
  Speaker 14: ensuring that everyone can live their American dream. And I
• 46:36
  Speaker 14: think that people will see that come election time next year.
• 46:39
  Speaker 14: We are a year out, and it's hard to get
• 46:42
  Speaker 14: people to focus on elections. Even as we're trying to
• 46:44
  Speaker 14: get to issue one, people are busy. They've got kids.
• 46:47
  Speaker 14: They're trying to put food on their table. And it's
• 46:51
  Speaker 14: easy right now to get caught up in the chaos
• 46:53
  Speaker 14: of who is this and what shiny object do we
• 46:55
  Speaker 14: want to follow? I'm looking at the results. And I'm
• 46:58
  Speaker 14: looking at what we're getting in Ohio's 13th congressional district.
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: And I'm pleased to be supporting an administration, we'll be
• 47:04
  Speaker 14: supporting an administration that will continue to deliver those results.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: I hope you do too.
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: I like that.
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: So you're talking about workers in your state and support
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: for them. I know you recently joined with a bunch
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: of UAW workers on the picket line. You were out
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: there showing solidarity. There's been some debate and some concern
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: about whether rank-and-file union members feel like the Democratic Party
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: is fighting for them. What did you come away with
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: feeling like after that time on the picket line?
• 47:38
  Speaker 14: Well, that was not my first time on the picket
• 47:40
  Speaker 14: line with UAW striking workers. And I have to say it.
• 47:45
  Speaker 14: Did you all see that time when Marcy Kaptur said...
• 47:49
  Speaker 14: Is this your first time?
• 47:51
  Speaker 12: That won't be me. It was not my first time.
• 47:53
  Speaker 14: So what we heard from workers several years ago when
• 47:56
  Speaker 14: we were in Toledo is the same thing that we
• 47:58
  Speaker 14: heard from folks a couple of weeks ago was they've
• 48:01
  Speaker 14: been working really hard. They made a lot of people
• 48:03
  Speaker 14: very rich and they just want to make sure that
• 48:05
  Speaker 14: they are able to access the same ways and pathways
• 48:09
  Speaker 14: to wealth and being able to put food on their table.
• 48:13
  Speaker 14: Folks across this country, folks across Ohio and my district,
• 48:16
  Speaker 14: they are struggling. And inflation is high. And we have
• 48:20
  Speaker 14: to accept that to be a truth. But we also
• 48:22
  Speaker 14: have to recognize that there are pathways for folks to
• 48:26
  Speaker 14: get what they need in order to survive. And unions,
• 48:29
  Speaker 14: labor unions, are leading the way. I was so amazed
• 48:33
  Speaker 14: as I talked to those workers and understood what they
• 48:35
  Speaker 14: were sacrificing to be on strike. That they weren't getting
• 48:39
  Speaker 14: the pay that they should have been getting to pay
• 48:42
  Speaker 14: for food.
• 48:43
  Speaker 12: Gas, groceries, rent, mortgages.
• 48:45
  Speaker 14: But they knew how important it was for them to
• 48:48
  Speaker 14: stand up, not just for themselves, but for workers across
• 48:51
  Speaker 14: the UAW, but not just members of unions, members who
• 48:55
  Speaker 14: may not be in unions thinking, why would I want
• 48:57
  Speaker 14: to be a part of that?
• 48:58
  Speaker 12: Well, you want to be a part of it because.
• 49:00
  Speaker 14: These are the people moving the conversation forward and making
• 49:03
  Speaker 14: sure that you have your access to the American dream.
• 49:05
  Speaker 14: So I left there probably more encouraged at their grit
• 49:10
  Speaker 14: and their resilience and their willingness to be there they
• 49:13
  Speaker 14: probably did more for me than I did for them
• 49:15
  Speaker 14: showing up there. And I am steadfast, wholeheartedly, always will be,
• 49:19
  Speaker 14: in solidarity with our union's friends because they are truly
• 49:23
  Speaker 14: the reason why people can have a good life in
• 49:25
  Speaker 14: this country.
• 49:26
  Speaker 12: They truly are. And we should support them every step
• 49:28
  Speaker 12: of the way.
• 49:29
  Speaker 14: So bravo to UAW, two out of three. They've got
• 49:32
  Speaker 14: one more left. And we'll be excited and we'll be
• 49:34
  Speaker 14: cheering them on when they do it.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 49:37
  Speaker 8: Last question for you. We were talking in D.C., You're
• 49:40
  Speaker 8: in a tough seat. It's basically a toss up. Presidential
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: years can be challenging for Democrats in Ohio. Like, what's
• 49:48
  Speaker 8: it going to take for you to win, for Sherrod
• 49:50
  Speaker 8: Brown to win, for all the other statewide and local
• 49:52
  Speaker 8: Dems to win, too? I'm not leaving anybody out. And
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: how can people help out?
• 49:56
  Speaker 12: Absolutely.
• 49:57
  Speaker 14: So first of all, it's going to take everyone in
• 49:59
  Speaker 14: this audience to help us all win. And so we're
• 50:01
  Speaker 14: relying on you. And let me thank you in advance
• 50:04
  Speaker 14: for all that you have done and all that you're
• 50:06
  Speaker 14: going to do to make sure that we keep Sherrod
• 50:08
  Speaker 14: Brown and the United States Senate and we reelect myself
• 50:12
  Speaker 14: and Marcy Kaptur and Joyce Beatty and Chantel Brown and
• 50:15
  Speaker 14: Greg Lansman. And so I'm in Ohio's only toss-up congressional district.
• 50:20
  Speaker 14: All the others are either safe D or likely D,
• 50:22
  Speaker 14: and I'm in the only toss-up district. And people often
• 50:25
  Speaker 14: are really shocked to hear that because they assume, as
• 50:28
  Speaker 14: a black woman, I'm in a very D plus 40 district,
• 50:33
  Speaker 14: but I'm not. My district is an R plus one district.
• 50:37
  Speaker 14: And I won and outperformed President Biden's performance. I won
• 50:42
  Speaker 14: by five points. And I won because of people like
• 50:46
  Speaker 14: you in the audience. I won because I went to
• 50:49
  Speaker 14: the people and told them how I'm going to work
• 50:51
  Speaker 14: for them. And I showed them my record. And I'm
• 50:53
  Speaker 14: going to continue to show them my record and say,
• 50:56
  Speaker 14: I am earning your vote. I'm not just going to
• 50:59
  Speaker 14: ask for it. I'm going to earn your vote. But
• 51:01
  Speaker 14: I'm also going to ask you to make a donation
• 51:03
  Speaker 14: because it's really expensive. My race was $ 21 million. Did you?
• 51:08
  Speaker 12: $ 21 million.
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yes.
• 51:10
  Speaker 14: Let's all be appalled with, first of all, how much
• 51:12
  Speaker 14: elections cost and that this race was $ 21 million. And
• 51:16
  Speaker 14: so the Republicans have already started attacking me. They've stopped
• 51:21
  Speaker 14: for a little bit because I think they were trying
• 51:22
  Speaker 14: to get their act together. But now that they're back,
• 51:24
  Speaker 14: I expect to see them soon. So visit Amelia Sykes
• 51:27
  Speaker 14: for Congress, forcongress.com. Please make a donation if you can.
• 51:32
  Speaker 14: Make sure that we push back against these MAGA extremists
• 51:36
  Speaker 14: and win in a district where they don't expect us to.
• 51:39
  Speaker 12: We can do it again.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 51:41
  Speaker 8: Well, folks, listen, some really good members of Congress out there.
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: There's very few great ones. So please make a donation.
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: Help out.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Congressman Amelia Sykes, thank you so much for being here.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Thank you for coming.
• 51:55
  Speaker 11: Thank you.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: There are just 78 days to go until the Iowa caucuses.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: And one week until the Republican debate in Miami. And
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: it looks like it'll be down to Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Vivek Ramaswamy, Chris Christie.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: And just today, Tim Scott said he finally qualified.
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, my guy.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: There you go. Mike Pence has dropped out.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: Oh, mother. He decided he'd rather hang at home.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: He just couldn't hang. Beat me. Beat me.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: Yikes.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: He suspended his campaign. From what?
• 52:42
  Speaker 9: Boo.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: And the party's criminal defendant frontrunner.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: It was really neck and neck. Okay.
• 52:50
  Speaker 13: Wow.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: And the party's criminal defendant frontrunner is skipping yet again.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: because of his huge lead in all the polls that's
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: undoubtedly due to performances like this.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're not doing well.
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: They're not being treated. And they are right now at
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: a level, I think we're going to get, so we're
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: at 28. You know, the same people that attacked Israel
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: are coming into our country, too. And did you ever notice,
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: somebody said the other day, some fool on CNN said, oh,
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: isn't that nice?
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: They're all nice young men.
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: They have young men, 23, 24, 22 years.
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: Old, strong. They like nice young men.
• 53:32
  Speaker 7: There's something going on. There's something going on. It's not
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: a good thing. They have a lot of young men, young,
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: strong men. I don't want to insult the women, but
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: they're young, strong men, even though, as you know, they
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: want men to play in women's sports.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: You know that? We're not going to allow that. We're
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: not allowing that. I want to do that too. I'm
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: an extraordinary athlete. I want to play.
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: And I apologize for those lights. The only place I
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: don't have a light up here, so that means we're
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: going to have to wig it tonight, okay?
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: There's no light. They give us plenty of lights, but
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: not to read this crap. Look, they write a beautiful...
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: They wrote me a beautiful speech.
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: I might as well throw it right out that window.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Man, that's... That's tough for the speech writers. I will
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: tell you.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: That hurts.
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: When did you get into the.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Where does that voice come from?
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Nice young men. Strong. Strong young men.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Sexy men.
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: Something's going on. Something's going on. It's like he clicked
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: over to the wrong Pornhub site. Just put that in
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: an ad.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: What is that? Weird guy.
• 54:40
  Speaker 13: Weird dude.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Alyssa, the field is narrowing, but so far the polls
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: are not. Though by the time people listen to the show,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: there will be a new Des Moines Register poll that
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: could render all of our takes meaningless.
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I know, I know.
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: What, you got a message box in waiting?
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow morning at 6 a.m., we're going to get a poll.
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: These takes, you can either eat them tonight or they're
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: banana bread tomorrow.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: But Alyssa, do you, we haven't talked about this, do
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: you see anything brewing that could change the dynamic in
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: the Republican primary over the next 78 days?
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: You guys.
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: So, you know, you talk about the polar coaster and everything,
• 55:26
  Speaker 9: but I did a little polling deep dive in preparation
• 55:30
  Speaker 9: for today. So there was a new 538, is that
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: what it's called, 538?
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:34
  Speaker 12: 538 poll.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Trump, 56.9.
• 55:34
  Speaker 12: DeSantis, 14.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: Haley, 8. Ramaswamy 5.8. Okay. So you want to hear
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: my take?
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: Just FYI, Tim Scott's at two in that poll.
• 55:49
  Speaker 9: I stopped writing them down below five.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Smart.
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: So here's my vibe.
• 55:58
  Speaker 9: He's like in pretty good shape.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: Except, except... There are some things that.
• 56:06
  Speaker 9: Have happened in the past couple of weeks. One particularly
• 56:10
  Speaker 9: delicious development that I've enjoyed. So one, we got a
• 56:14
  Speaker 9: little Jenna Ellis white lady tears, right?
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: Then you've got Sidney Powell.
• 56:20
  Speaker 9: You've got Ken Chesbrough, or as I like to call
• 56:23
  Speaker 9: them all, star witnesses.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: So, like, it's possible that they've got the goods on him.
• 56:31
  Speaker 13: Oh, yeah.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Like, it's possible.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: It's possible.
• 56:33
  Speaker 9: The best part, the most delicious nugget for anyone who
• 56:36
  Speaker 9: missed it, Ivanka has been ordered to testify in.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: The New York civil fraud trial.
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: I am not going to lie.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Under oath, do you love your father?
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: I love this so much.
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: Under oath, is your father ever told you he loved you?
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: There you go, Dan.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: Fight for too much.
• 57:00
  Speaker 13: So, you know, I think.
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: There are a lot of things that could happen in court.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, like they are moving.
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: Like when Fannie Willis filed these charges, everyone was like,
• 57:08
  Speaker 9: there is no way she's going to be able.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: To flip people this fast. Seems that she could. So
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know. We'll see what happens.
• 57:17
  Speaker 9: I really think that that is the only potential that
• 57:20
  Speaker 9: could upend him from being the Republican nominee.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: God help us all.
• 57:25
  Speaker 9: But yeah, that's.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: My hot take.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: I just wonder if it'll happen in time.
• 57:32
  Speaker 9: I mean, that's the whole thing, but, like, Sidney Powell
• 57:35
  Speaker 9: cut a deal in, like, a week.
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: You know, Jenna Ellis, I mean, she was, like, one
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: and done.
• 57:40
  Speaker 9: She's like, I'll take probation, I'll testify as needed, and
• 57:44
  Speaker 9: I will do community service. Like, this is what I
• 57:46
  Speaker 9: have to imagine is, like, real. Like, these people are
• 57:50
  Speaker 9: getting away with actual kind of murder.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: You know, like.
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: Can you imagine?
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: It's the standing in the middle of Fifth Avenue thing.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: It's just getting closer and closer to the truth.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Crying, crying.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: I should have asked more questions. Of Ruli Giuliani? Yes,
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: you should have.
• 58:06
  Speaker 9: But, like, she got community service and, like, a $ 5, 000 fine.
• 58:09
  Speaker 9: Must have given something good. I mean, look, unless law
• 58:14
  Speaker 9: and order after all these years has let me down,
• 58:16
  Speaker 9: I've got to assume she gave something good.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Well, so, obviously, you can't beat something with nothing. So
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: someone has to beat Donald Trump if he is somehow
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: weakened between now and Iowa.
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Dan, here's the top Politico headline today. I know you're
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: excited about this. The rise is real. That's in quotations.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Haley's breakout is jolting. 2024 is undercard race. Are you
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: feeling the jolt?
• 58:42
  Speaker 10: Look, John, who isn't riveted by the ups and downs,
• 58:46
  Speaker 10: the moving and shaking, and the riveting race for a distant.
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: Second of Donald Trump? I mean, the whole thing is stupid.
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: She's not even in second place yet. She's in third place.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Again, that's a pretty confident statement.
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: I'm just giving you the national polls.
• 59:05
  Speaker 10: I think there is a, this is the important caveat here,
• 59:07
  Speaker 10: there is a chance that the Des Moines Register poll
• 59:10
  Speaker 10: will come out that will show her in a distant
• 59:13
  Speaker 10: second to Donald Trump.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure you got on the
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: record saying that. I'm trying to save you.
• 59:18
  Speaker 10: If there is some prize for second place in the
• 59:21
  Speaker 10: Republican primary, which Ron DeSantis and Nikki.
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: Haley seem very convinced there is. Do you get like
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: half the pot?
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, you're vice president.
• 59:30
  Speaker 10: Whatever it is, she is well-positioned to have a shot
• 59:34
  Speaker 10: to possibly come in second.
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: I think we should all pay a lot of attention
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: to that.
• 59:37
  Speaker 9: Do you think it's because she said she would never
• 59:39
  Speaker 9: compliment Hezbollah?
• 59:41
  Speaker 10: Honestly, that story in Politico was so goddamn stupid that
• 59:46
  Speaker 10: I've been stewing about it since you sent it to
• 59:47
  Speaker 10: me this morning.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: It was the headline. It was the full page of Politico.
• 59:53
  Speaker 10: It is just a reminder that we do not need
• 59:55
  Speaker 10: minute-by-minute coverage of a largely boring campaign.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 8: We haven't talked about the arguments for two days a week.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: That's all you need.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 10: I would say an hour and 15 minutes twice a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 10: week is fucking pitch perfect.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: We've been talking about Gaza and the speaker's race for
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: so long now. We actually haven't covered the GOP primary
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: in a while, partly.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Because there's nothing much to cover. There's a reason because
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: there's nothing to cover, yeah. I know.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 10: But in the story, they're like, one of the reasons
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 10: people are moving to Nikki Haley is that the attention
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 10: has turned to foreign policy, and she has a foreign
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 10: policy background.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: Did we think that's what's happening?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: No, no I don't.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Tommy, Ron DeSantis' new line is that Trump is only
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: leading because he has 100% name ID. And Trump's super
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: PAC apparently just went up in the air in Iowa
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: with an ad attacking DeSantis. Do you think, it's hard
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: to say this with all the straight face, do you
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: think that he's still a threat to Donald Trump? Or
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: are they just looking to humiliate him at this point?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 12: Hmm.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, both.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 8: We were raised in a normal political world where you
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 8: don't punch down. The sort of early phases of the
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 8: campaign are kind of nicer and it's lots of like
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 8: oblique shots on policy, right? Trump just got into the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 8: campaign in 2016 and started pummeling anyone he perceived as
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 8: a threat. And I was watching his speech in Nevada
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 8: where he was bragging to this audience for an hour
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 8: and 10 minutes that he does not play prevent defense
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: prevent defense for you non-football fans uh is when you
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 8: drop back all your defensive backs you won't give up
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 8: a touchdown why are you looking at me we're gonna
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 8: love it but you're willing to give up some kind
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 8: of short yardage trump does not play prevent defense right
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: he is smash mouth football he's blitzing he's killing the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: quarterback so i think like He just likes kicking the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 8: shit out of Ron DeSantis.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Who doesn't?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: Agree with Trump.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Agree with Trump.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: Remember when DeSantis got in the race and Trump was
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 8: like openly deciding which nickname he was going to use?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: Like, should I use DeSantis? Should I call him Meatball?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: And these conservative... Tiny D? Anyone remember Tiny D?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Tiny D. DeSanctimonious? DeSantis? At one point he just like
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: gave up. He's like, I'll call him whatever the fuck
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: I want. He's not going to win.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: And these conservative commentators like Mark Levin were like, oh,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't do that.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: It's going to offend a lot of conservatives.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: What happened?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 8: Trump skyrocketed to like, 50% in all these polls, and
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 8: DeSantis tanked.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: So I think he both loves what he's doing. When
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: you love what you're doing, it's not a.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: Job, but it's also effective politics.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: It's also like DeSantis coming out with a new rationale
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: for why he's losing is actually why he's losing underneath
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: why he's losing, which is because he's the kind of
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: person that thinks that's a good idea. Ron DeSantis, actually
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: what is most interesting about Ron DeSantis as a candidate
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: is is one thing he successfully did is introduce himself
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: to the United States of America. He actually is way
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: better known than he has any right to be. Going
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: after Disney, becoming the fucking woke police, having that personality,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: it really connected. What personality? And unfortunately, it connected in
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: a really bad way. The United States is aware of
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: Ron DeSantis, and they say, no, thank you. Donald Trump
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: isn't just winning against people who haven't heard of Ron DeSantis.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: Republican primary voters are aware of Ron DeSantis. They've given
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: him a good look. They've said, what's going on in
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: those boots, sir?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: You're wearing a 5'10 suit. You got 5'7 energy.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 8: The theme of this swing.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: The theme of the weekend, yeah.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: Just to put some numbers on this.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: I just did that, Dan.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Did you?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 10: Is that Rhonda Sanchez is trailing by 45 points in
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 10: the polls, and his approval rating is about, his ID,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 10: his name ID is about five points less than Trump's.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: So that doesn't work that well for him, that excuse.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: That's bad.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: So the minority of Republicans who don't want Trump as
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: the nominee, some of them are in the consultant class
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: because they've run elections, and some politicians as well, they're
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: starting to say that it is time for all the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: other candidates to drop out, just like Pence did, so
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: this can become a one-on-one contest. Lovett, do you think
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: it's quitting time for your friends Chris Christie and Tim Scott?
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: I know they're, hmm.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: Look, obviously, the conversations I have with Chris are between us,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: and I'm going to leave. That's my counsel to him.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: Tim Scott should drop out. But the problem with this is, look, sure,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: we know the field.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: Great.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: But, you know, there's this idea that the people not currently,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: that all the people supporting Tim Scott, all the people,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: all the people, all the persons supporting Tim Scott.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: Doug Burgum and his wife. The idea is that these
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: votes are going to all kind of go to the
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: Trump alternative. A lot of them are going to go
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: to Trump. You look at some of the polling. If
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: you ask, if you do the whole field, you'll end
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: up with Trump in the high 40s and DeSantis way
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: below and the rest of them getting their single digits.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: If you just do, say, Trump and DeSantis, Trump goes
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: above 50. So, sure, yeah, consolidate.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: Try it.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: No bad ideas in a brainstorm.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 8: There is this, you know, this is silly to talk
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 8: about because it's coming out after we post this show,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 8: but this Des Moines Register poll will be interesting because
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 8: the last one, the Des Moines Register polls in Iowa
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: are the best in the business by far. It's a
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 8: woman named Ann Seltzer who's like the best pollster there
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: is for the state, maybe the country. And her previous
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 8: polls have showed like a 28%.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: Trump or die. Like I will vote Trump or nobody vote.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 8: I'll be very interested to see if that number has
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 8: moved and there still is the potential for for someone
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 8: to consolidate the other voters.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Because, look, I agree with you a lot.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 8: It's, like, probably a lost cause, and these folks aren't
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 8: going to do the right thing and drop out and
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 8: allow the vote to consolidate. But it'll be interesting to
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 8: see if that's even an option anymore.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it seems pretty clear from this conversation
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: where everyone stands here. Just for fun, would anyone like
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: to make an argument that one of these goobers might
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: beat Donald Trump in Iowa and New Hampshire?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Let's lay out the fantasy scenario. Anyone? Sure. Okay. I mean.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 10: We're never going to know because these are terrible candidates
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 10: whose campaigns are run by idiots. They don't seem to
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 10: want to win. And most of them are now, honestly,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 10: with all seriousness, they're not trying to be Donald Trump.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 10: They're trying to be vice president to Donald Trump. They're
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 10: trying to maintain whatever role.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think Haley is.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: I think 100%.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: She's now gone.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: It's so funny. There's this line, right? There's the red
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: line for Trump. how much you subtly attack Donald Trump.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: And then if you go over and you like directly attack,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: she's like now pretty close to, I think he's very
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: upset with her.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 10: And he may be, maybe she won't get it, but
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 10: it is what people are trying to navigate now is
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 10: they're not trying to win. They're trying to manage their
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 10: loss in a MAGA dominated Republican party.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: Are they going to be the vice president?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 10: Are they going to be someone who is still a
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 10: member in good standing of that party to run again
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 10: in 2028, whether Trump wins or loses because he can't
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 10: run for reelection or And so that is why the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 10: attack ads on the air are not any of these
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 10: fucking idiots attacking Donald Trump. They're attacking each other. DeSantis
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 10: and Haley have ads on the air attacking each other.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 10: Because they want to split up that 24% between the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 10: two of them. Like, what are they doing? Like, there
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 10: is a way to try to do this. There is
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 10: a way to actually do it. It requires the field
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 10: to win over one person. And that person is probably
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 10: Nikki Haley among this group. Because Ron DeSantis has the
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 10: political skills and charisma of a banana slug. And we
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 10: should not count on him to do it.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: What's a banana slug?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: He is not that guy.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: It's like a little Ron DeSantis. It's like, um, it's
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: like it's a little moves on the ground.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 10: And so what you would have to do is you
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 10: would have to consolidate it. You would have to, then
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 10: you're one-on-one, you have to beat him in Iowa and you,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 10: then you have to beat him in New Hampshire. There
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 10: is no skip Iowa, go to New Hampshire cause you're
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 10: gonna get clobbered in South Carolina. And the thing about
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 10: Trump is he's never lost. And even according to all
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 10: the voters, according to the voters, he didn't.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Lose in 2020. Stop this deal over here.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: Where were you on January 6th?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: Dan took a shit in Pelosi's office. Yeah, wow.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: That's a heel turn.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 10: And so what you would do is if you wanted
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 10: to actually try to beat Trump, it's one person. They
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 10: tried to beat him in Iowa. They make an explicit
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 10: case at Evangelical Christians in Iowa that Trump is not
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 10: the person who can carry what they want, who will
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 10: not win. who will be chaotic, you would take all
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 10: that insane shit that most voters, even Iowa caucus voters,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 10: are not seeing, you put it, because Fox does actually
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 10: not cover Trump like we think they cover Trump.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: They do not put his bad moments on air.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: No one does anymore, by the way. The stuff that
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: we show, there's like five Twitter accounts that have all
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: those clips.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: You don't see them on CNN.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: The right-wing media has canceled Trump. They canceled him.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: It's outrageous.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 6: He's being shadow banned by Fox.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 10: But I think my point here is that the odds
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 10: are that Trump still wins in that, but there is
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 10: a theoretical path to getting it done. But I don't
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 10: think any of these candidates and certainly the people who
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 10: work for them are up to it because they are
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 10: not playing to win. They're playing to manage their loss.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: I think, I think, yeah, you're right that Haley is
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: the closest. And again, like I, I did not have
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: high hopes for her when she started. So I was,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: I'm already wrong. Like she's gone farther than I thought
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: she would. But like, I looked at the last Des
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Moines register poll and, It was Trump 42, DeSantis 19,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Scott 9, Haley 6, Pence 6, Christie 5, Vivek 4,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Burgum 2, Will Hurd 1.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Not with us anymore. Seven points up for grabs. Yeah,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: not sure five, right?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: So if Haley, in this next poll, just for fun,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: if she took all of Pence's support, Scott's, Christie's, Burgum's, Hurd's,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: and half of DeSantis's, she still wouldn't beat Trump, but
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: she'd be close.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: She'd be within striking distance.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: I think the thing about that, Matt, so I think
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: two things. I think one, to Dan's point, I actually
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: think the most important thing is what's going to happen
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: with DeSantis, right? Whether Scott drops out or Christie drops out,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: there's just not enough happening there. Does DeSantis view it
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: as in his interest to go through with this farce
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: any further, or does he see some equity in getting
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: out and getting behind or he's getting behind, Haley seems inconceivable,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: getting behind Trump seems inconceivable, who knows? But just getting
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: out to stop, to not put himself through the auger
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: of this fucking defeat he's about to experience, that leaves
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: some space for Haley to get higher in the polls.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: She doesn't need to, in the next round of polls,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: or the round of polls after that, she doesn't need
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: to be beating Trump. She doesn't need to be faster
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: than the bear, she needs to be faster than the
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: other guys. You know? And then the conversation can change
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: if Trump shows some weakness because of exogenous forces like,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: a judge in New York taking all his money or
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: him getting thrown in jail for contempt.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: I also think the scenario where this works is, again,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: real long shot here. Everything that Alyssa was saying about
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: all of his legal woes suddenly bubble up a lot.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: He says some crazy shit.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden's approval rating would have to start creeping up
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: because then electability might start becoming a concern for Republicans again.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Right now, part of the problem is it's like, well,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: if Nikki Haley's argument is I'm the one who can
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: beat Joe Biden, but also Donald Trump is beating Joe
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Biden in some polls, or at least tied with him
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: in polls, then, like, why wouldn't you just take Donald Trump,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: you know? But if Joe Biden's approval rating started coming up,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: then Nikki Haley, of all these people, is probably the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: best position, because if she can somehow beat him in Iowa, which, again,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: then goes to New Hampshire and can beat him in
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: New Hampshire, then, unlike any of these other candidates, she's
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: positioned really well in South Carolina, right? So then, like,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: then you have a thing, but, like, Again, that's pretty
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: far away.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 10: Trump has never faced a real primary loss because even
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 10: though he lost Iowa, it was so confusing. It wasn't
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 10: announced for a long period of time. It was wrapped
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 10: up in allegations that Ted Cruz ran these robocalls to
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 10: convince people not to vote. And so then he went
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 10: to New Hampshire and he had a huge victory, South
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 10: Carolina huge victory, and was off to the races.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: And so a.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 10: Candidate who depends on inevitability, and that is a big
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 10: part of what has been part of Trump's rise over
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 10: the last year, is that people have seen he might
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 10: as well get on board because he's going to win.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: If you shatter the myth of inevitability, something is possible.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 10: Nikki Haley might be someone who would be well-positioned in
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 10: hypothetical general election polls against Biden to seem as electable
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 10: or more electable than Trump because Trump will seem weak
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 10: if he loses.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: There's a huge unexpected loss in Iowa.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Well, we'll see.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 9: The first woman present cannot be a Republican.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 13: Dear God, no.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Not making any predictions, but I would not.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: Just put it out there.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: I would not hold my breath. Okay.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: When we come back, the executive director of Pro-Choice Ohio,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Kelly Copeland.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 9: A critical fight for abortion rights.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: And you guys know I love to talk about abortion.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 9: Is playing out right here in Ohio where voters will
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 9: decide if they want to enshrine abortion rights into the
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 9: state constitution. Here to talk about abortion rights and combating
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 9: Republican extremism, my hero, an icon, Executive Director of Pro-Choice Ohio,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 9: Kelly Copeland.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: Kelly, thank you for coming on the pod.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: Thank you. O-H.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 13: That's what I'm talking about.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 9: Okay, so not only is she my icon for all
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 9: of the work she has done for 20 years.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: 21.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: 21.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 9: But I heard you're also a cat lady.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 13: Oh, my God. Just give me the chance to talk
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 13: about my cat, His Grace.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 9: And I'm just saying it's National Cat Day, so it
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 9: is kismet that we are here together.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: All right, Kelly.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 9: So, for anyone who doesn't know What's the state of
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 9: abortion care access in Ohio right now? Is it correct
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 9: that y'all still have a six-week ban, but the courts
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 9: have blocked enforcement for now?
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: What is the latest?
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 13: Yes, that is correct. And what we mean by for
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 13: now is that days, even hours after the election on
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 13: November 7th, the state Supreme Court could rule against us
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 13: and they could put the six-week ban into effect. I mean,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 13: if we don't pass issue one, they will move to
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 13: put that six-week ban back into effect as it was
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 13: for 82 days last year, except this time it'll be permanent.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 13: I know, it's a bummer. I'm sorry to bring you down.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 9: No, we're here for real talk, okay? This isn't just
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 9: like a tiptoe through the tulips. Okay, anti-abortion officials purposely
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 9: made this whole process as confusing as possible.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: Erin and I covered it a lot on Hysteria.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 9: There was an August special election where Republicans tried their
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 9: fuckery to change the rules of the ballot initiatives altogether.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 9: Republicans come out of the woodwork in August. It is,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 9: they did it in Kansas, they did it in Ohio,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 9: but you prevailed.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 13: Yeah, y'all beat their ass.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 12: So now, that failed.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 9: Now there's another vote on the actual issue one initiative.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 9: Let's settle this once and for all. What do Ohioans
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 9: need to know about issue one?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 13: Well, first of all, it's a yes on issue one
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 13: in November. It was a no in August. Don't get
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 13: it confused. But, you know, I think you bring up
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 13: such an important point because our opponents have used and
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 13: leveraged the full force of the state government against you,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 13: against all of us, Our taxpayer dollars, they spent $ 20
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 13: million on that special election in August. Taxpayer dollars. They
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 13: have messed with the system every step of the way.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 13: The AG has put out legal opinions, their campaign propaganda.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 13: The State Senate has done the same thing. The Attorney
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 13: General made a summary of the amendment that is filled
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 13: with bogus information. And they're doing all of this because
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 13: they've had 50 years 50 years since Roe vs. Wade
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 13: to make the case that their agenda to outlaw all
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 13: abortion in all circumstances is what we should do.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: And they have failed.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 13: And so that is why they have to do all
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 13: of this unscrupulous, frankly legalized cheating to try to subvert
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 13: your vote. Because the vast majority of Ohioans and the
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 13: vast majority of Americans believe that we should make our
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 13: own reproductive health care decisions, not the government. But these
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 13: extremists who have taken over Ohio through gerrymandering and through
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 13: so many other unscrupulous practices, they don't care. They don't
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 13: want to represent us like my Congresswoman Amelia Sykes. They
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 13: want to rule us. And we're not going to let them,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 13: are we?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: Hell no. Speaking of unscrupulous, so I went down the
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: rabbit hole.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 9: I've been trying to learn for months everything I can
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 9: learn about Ohio.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, dear.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 9: And I know I'm going to bring up something that.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: We hate to talk about, but we have to talk about.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 9: People have been saying that the amendment would bring back
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 9: partial birth abortions, which haven't been legal in 15 years.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 9: Can you please explain to us what voting yes on
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 9: issue one would actually do?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 13: Voting yes on issue one would protect access to abortion
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 13: when it's needed for health care reasons. It would make
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 13: sure that no Ohioan has to worry that they won't
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 13: get access to care when their life is in jeopardy.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 13: It makes sure, but it also has the language that
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 13: says that there can be restrictions after the point of viability,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 13: but those restrictions can't be the ones that our opponents want.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 13: What our opponents want is that when people experience a
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 13: pregnancy complication, and think about it, we're talking about very wanted,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 13: planned pregnancies where someone gets the worst news, where maybe
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 13: they've already picked out a name, and our opponents are
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 13: so heartless that they want to tell those people, too bad.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 13: Too bad if you die. Too bad if you can't
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 13: make the decisions that are best for you and your family.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 13: Too bad. And the most serious consequence of issue one failing,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 13: and the one that I'm scared the most about, is
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 13: when it was in effect, the six-week ban for 82 days,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 13: there was an incredible safety net with abortion funds in
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 13: Ohio and abortion clinics and activists, maybe many of you,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 13: where we were able to provide financial and logistical support
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 13: to get people out, get people care in other states.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 13: But if you're sick, you may not be able to travel.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 13: You may not be able to get to Pittsburgh or
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 13: Detroit or Chicago. And that is the thing that has
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 13: been most terrifying. It was the most terrifying thing during
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 13: the 82 days that the six-week ban was in effect.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 13: And it's the most terrifying thing about the possibility of
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 13: not passing issue one. And it's frankly the thing I
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 13: worry about most for my kids. They're young women in
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 13: their 20s. And even with all the connections and all
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 13: the resources I have, I'm so scared. that when it's
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 13: their time to plan a family, if they decide to
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 13: be pregnant in the state of Ohio, that they'll get
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 13: the care they need. That's why all of us have
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 13: to work night and day to make sure that not
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 13: only that doesn't happen to people, but that every pregnant
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 13: person doesn't have to be afraid. People came up to
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 13: me all during those 82 days talking about how they
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 13: were so scared. They were scared that they wouldn't get
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 13: the care they need. They were scared that they might die.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 13: That is what they're trying to do to us. That's
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 13: how little they care about us. And that's how much
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 13: we have to fight and love each other. That's why
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 13: we have to pass issue one.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: And to your point, Kelly, that is not hyperbole.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 9: What's happening in Texas, The women who have been forced
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 9: to go into sepsis because doctors didn't want to put
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 9: their careers.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: On the line to be able to provide.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 9: Abortion care, this is real. And this is not dramatic.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 9: This is not propaganda. This is happening across the country
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 9: where abortion's been outlawed.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 13: Yeah, in Ohio during those 82 days, women who were
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 13: experiencing miscarriages were sometimes sent away from hospitals, even though
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 13: they were bleeding, bleeding heavily, filling up, forgive me, one
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 13: diaper after another with blood, and they were turned away
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 13: because the hospitals and the doctors were worried that they
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 13: would be criminalized if they helped these patients. That should
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 13: never happen. I mean, Cleveland is a medical destination. With
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 13: the Cleveland Clinic, people come from all over the globe
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 13: to Cleveland. How could we possibly let them do this
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 13: to us?
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: We won't.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: No, we won't. So there's been an interesting thing.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 9: The tactic of changing the ballot initiative process was both
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 9: shady and quite extreme. And now those who oppose issue
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 9: one are spreading misinformation and lying about what the ballot
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 9: initiative does. Can you give us some examples of this
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 9: bad faith fuckery?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 13: I mean, they want parents to be afraid. that they're
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 13: going to be able to access healthcare without them, that
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 13: they'll be able to change the physicality of their gender
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 13: and their sex. They just have made up all of
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 13: these wild things. And I always think to myself, why
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 13: are you picking on kids? Why are you picking on
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 13: children who need access to health care? Why are you
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 13: lying to parents? We know that parents who had underage
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 13: daughters who needed an abortion during those 82 days had
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 13: to take them out of state. What kind of parental
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 13: rights is that? I mean, issue one will strengthen parental
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 13: rights because parents will be able to get their daughters
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 13: the abortion care and other health care they need here
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 13: at home, as it should be.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: So a.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 9: Majority of Americans support abortion, access to abortion.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 13: Yeah, like eight out of ten.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: Like a lot.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 13: Like a lot, a lot.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 9: So why are Republicans so obsessed with our bodies, even
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 9: though it is a losing issue for them at the
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 9: ballot box?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 13: You know, I've been trying to figure that out.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 12: It's hard.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: It makes no sense.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 13: Well, I mean, that's, you know, I have a deputy director,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 13: Jamie Miracle, and she and I have done this work
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 13: together for 21 years, and she's our lobbyist. Yes, Jamie Miracle.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 13: And she's very scientific, and she's very thoughtful and smart
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 13: and educated, and she goes into this statehouse with facts.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 13: She's gone into this statehouse with... I mean, we were
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 13: just talking backstage. We have brought hundreds of abortion storytellers
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 13: and doctors to the statehouse. We've been fighting this six-week
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 13: ban since 2011. This is 13 years that we've fought
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 13: this fight. We were the first state in Ohio. And
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 13: the one thing I know about our opponents is they
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 13: don't give a shit about us and they don't give
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 13: a shit about the facts because they had it all.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 13: You know, when Governor DeWine, you know, he's out here going, well,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 13: you know, we'll We'll find some other path. It's, you know,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 13: it's don't worry, trust us. Bologna, he knows. We've had
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 13: hundreds of people come testify at the statehouse. We have
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 13: had thousands, 700,000 people sign the petition to put this
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 13: on the ballot. Ohioans don't trust you, Governor DeWine. And
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 13: you've given us reason not to. They don't listen to us.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 13: They don't care about us. And I don't understand why
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 13: they're such a bunch of bastards.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 12: I really don't. That's a vibe.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: I want to dig a little deeper even more.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 9: The campaign opposing issue one, Protect Women Ohio, recently said
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 9: that the effort.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 13: I don't need protection from you.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 9: Thank you.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 13: Protect Women Ohio.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 12: No thank you.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 9: They recently said that the effort to get this amendment
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 9: on the ballot is anti-parent. We've seen the right more
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 9: and more try to embrace being the party of parents.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 9: to justify taking away abortion rights, censoring what kids read
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 9: and hate on the LGBTQ community. What does this bill
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 9: actually mean for parents and families and how do we
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 9: combat pro-parent messaging?
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 13: Well, how many of us are parents? Those are the facts.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 13: Parents and parenthood should be the decision that you make,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 13: not the decision the government makes. I mean, that is
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 13: the bottom line. Who decides? Is it you and your
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 13: family or is it the government? Is it Mike DeWine?
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 13: Is it Frank LaRose? Is it any one of those scumbags?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 13: I mean, when we're talking about parental rights, we're talking
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 13: about the right to live our lives our own way
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 13: and not have the government tell us how to live
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 13: our lives. I mean, issue one opponents are anti-parents rights.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 13: They want to take away your ability to make decisions
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 13: with your family. They want to, as was those 82 days,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 13: they want to make all the decisions for you. That's
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 13: why parents had to flee the state with their children
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 13: who needed access to abortion. How are they somehow the
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 13: standard bearer for parental rights when they forced families to
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 13: go through that?
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 14: Amen.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 9: This important vote has captured the nation's attention, especially as
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 9: abortion rights prove to be a critical issue in every
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 9: election since Dobbs. Even, I need to say, even in
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 9: New York State where I live, the Equal Rights Amendment
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 9: will be on the ballot in 2024 because if a
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 9: Republican wins, if Donald Trump wins and a national abortion
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 9: ban were to take place, even New York would need
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 9: the Equal Rights Amendment to protect women in New York State.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 9: So that said, What lessons should those watching across the
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 9: country learn from how you've organized around issue one?
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 13: That this is a grassroots movement, that this is a
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 13: movement fueled by love. You know, when we dropped off
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 13: those 420 boxes filled with 700,000 signatures to get on
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 13: the ballot, the one thing I was so overwhelmed by
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 13: was was the love, the love that so many people
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 13: put into this work. This is a work of love
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 13: and community compassion. This is a grassroots effort. This is
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 13: something that whether you're a Democrat or an independent or
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 13: even a Republican, this could affect you and your family.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 13: This is bigger than politics. This is a deeply personal situation.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 13: It's something that affects generations. I do this work because
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 13: I know how important it is My great-grandmother had 21
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 13: children that lived. My grandmother had an illegal abortion to
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 13: save her life during the Depression. My mom was an
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 13: incest survivor. I know from my family how important these
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 13: decisions are, how important access to abortion, to sex education,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 13: to contraception, to fertility treatment, to all of those things are,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 13: because it's affected every generation of my family. And we cannot,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 13: in any state, no matter what they throw at us,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 13: no matter how long we have to work. I mean,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 13: we've worked 13 years to stop the six-week abortion ban.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 13: And people are like, why do you keep doing it?
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 13: Because fuck them. They can't take this from us.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 7: Amen.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 11: Amen.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: You deserve all that applause.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 12: That's right.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 9: Kelly, you helped create a broad coalition that organized getting
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 9: signatures and mobilizing voters all across the state. What would
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 9: you tell someone listening who might want to get involved
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 9: in organizing but is nervous to start?
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 13: Get over it. Get in it. You know, this stuff matters. And,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 13: you know, start somewhere. Reach out to an organization that's
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 13: doing the work and say, what can I do? Put
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 13: me to work. I would like to see you all
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 13: go to work right now, if you haven't already, by
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 13: signing up at our.win. That's Ohioans United for Reproductive Rights
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 13: dot win. Because we need to turn out the vote.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 13: And everyone can do something. I had a campaign once
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 13: where I had a little old Hungarian woman, and she cooked.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 13: And she fed our volunteers.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 13: It was such good food. And, you know, she couldn't
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 13: walk door to door. You know, she couldn't hear well.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 13: She couldn't make, you know, the phone calls. But she
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 13: could cook. And that's what she did. And so there's
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 13: a role for everybody. Whether you're a graphic designer, whether
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 13: you're a power walker, if you like to talk on
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 13: the phone, if you're a great cook, reach out to
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 13: an organization that does the work that you care about
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 13: and say, put me in, coach. Send me to work.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 9: Kelly Copeland.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: Let me just say.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 9: For years, when so many of us were saying Roe
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 9: could be overturned and people called us hysterical.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 12: Oh, yes.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 13: The old hysterical.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: We're hysterical.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 9: Our uteruses are just taking over our brains. You have
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 9: been fighting the fight. You have been teaching organizers how
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 9: to organize. You have been keeping women safe. And I
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 9: just want to say, like, truly from the bottom of
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 9: my heart, thank you so much.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: You are a hero.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 13: It is a privilege.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: Sativa. Indica. Pod Save America. Abortion isn't the only thing
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: on the ballot come November 7th. No, we're also talking
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: about ganja. Grass. Jolly green. The devil's bouquet. That old
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: giggle smoke. Baby's bad broccoli. You know what I'm talking about.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: Ohioans are voting on the potential legalization of marijuana. From
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: the smell in here, we already know where you stand.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: But how good is your memory, you stoners? We're about
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: to find out in a game we're calling Reefer Madness.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 5: If you think you know a little something about the
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: legal state of the wacky tobacco, Vandalin is out there.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: Can we get the house lights up? And if you
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: want to answer a question, raise your hand. Hi, what's
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: your name?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Kyle.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: Kyle?
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Okay, someone over there knows who you are. Okay, well, that's...
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: Are you a celebrity in this place?
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm famous. Nice.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: Kyle just got doxxed. That was cool.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: John, you want to kick us off?
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: Sure. Hi, Kyle.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: So, former Attorney General Jeff Sessions, remember him? Said he
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: thought this group of people were, quote, okay... until I
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: found out they smoke pot. What group was he referring to?
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: Was it A, the KKK, B, the Black Panthers, C,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: the Branch Davidians at Waco, D, Black Lives Matter?
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: Branch Davidians.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: The answer is A, the KKK.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: The worst answer possible, Kyle.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: So Sessions later tried to walk back his comment made
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: in the early 80s saying he was joking. But it
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: and similar comments cost him a federal judgeship in 1986.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: But then he ended up being Attorney General. So that's that.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: Wild.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: Wild. Who's next? Somebody raise your hand. This person did. Hi,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: what's your name? Natalie. Natalie.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: Madeline?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: Natalie.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: Natalie? Yes.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: Natalie. Are you from Cleveland, Natalie?
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 12: No, I'm not.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: Okay, Alyssa's got a question for you.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 13: Okay, are you ready?
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 9: Which future president declared on the campaign trail, quote, leading
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 9: medical researchers are coming to the conclusion that marijuana, pot, grass,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 9: whatever you want to call it, is probably the most
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 9: dangerous drug in the United States, and we haven't begun
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 9: to find out all of the ill effects, but they
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 9: are permanent ill effects.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 13: Oh, I just have, I don't get choices.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 9: No, no, you have to just like, let me tell
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 9: you something.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: This one's pretty straightforward.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: Drugs.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 12: Bad.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: Reagan.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 6: Got it.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 13: Nice.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: Good cues. Who's up next? Hi, what's your name?
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 11: Sarah.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: Sarah, as of 2022, marijuana was fully illegal, meaning there
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: is no dispensation for any use in which four states?
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: That's right. Just say four states.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 12: Four states where there's no dispensing.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: There's nothing. They've got nothing.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Wow. No multiple choice?
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: No multiple choice.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, I can do it. I've got this one locked.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: Which of these is not one of the states?
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: Sarah.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: Wyoming, Idaho, Kansas, Oklahoma, South Carolina.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 12: South Carolina.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Wrong.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: It's Wyoming, Idaho, Kansas, and South Carolina. All four states
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: have had multiple measures, but they didn't pass. They couldn't
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: get them done.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: Bet they're very tightly wound.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: Could use some weed in some of those places. Hi,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: what's your name? Adam. Adam. Are you from Cleveland?
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: Not originally.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 13: Tommy?
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: Okay, Adam.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 8: This future president said he never violated America's drug laws
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 8: until he admitted he tried marijuana while overseas.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: Marijuana?
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah. This is a Republican question in that you have
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 8: no choices. You just have to say it.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: That's a good joke.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 8: I winged that one because the joke writers didn't give
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 8: me options.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: Oh, sorry. My symbols to crash together for you, Tommy.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 8: Should i refresh on your drink perhaps i'd love that
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 8: adam do you have a guess.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: I want to say clinton i know it's wrong i'm
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: gonna go oh oh shit trust yourself trust yourself adam.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 8: Nice uh with answer bill clinton in 1992 who said
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 8: he didn't like it and didn't inhale.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: Come on yes he did come on bill i actually
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 5: like i didn't i didn't realize the details of that
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: story which is that he was asked about drug use
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: and said, I never violated the drug laws of this country.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: And then when someone said, well, what about when you
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: were in college at Oxford? He goes like, yeah, I
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: tried weed. And then there was a whole news cycle
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: about how it's not about the drugs, it's about his slickness.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: And it's like, what an era where that was potentially disqualified.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: It was kinder, gentler time.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, were they wrong?
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: I guess his slickness did prove to be an issue
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: over the long run.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: Famously.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 6: Got some problems.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 9: Still too soon.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: Who's up next?
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 12: Hi, I'm Deb.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: Hi, Deb.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, Deb.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 12: Are you ready?
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 6: This is not multiple choice.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 10: Meanwhile, which other president-to-be said this on his campaign trail?
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 6: When I was a kid, I inhaled. That was the point.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 13: That was Barack Obama, wasn't it? Yes.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 6: That is correct.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 6: Talk about a man who can read the room.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: All right. What do we got?
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 12: Hi, my name's Claire.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: Hi, Claire. Hello. All right.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: This former Speaker of the House sponsored legislation that would
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: have made bringing two ounces of marijuana into the country
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: punishable by life imprisonment or.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: If it's the second offense... The death penalty.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 10: What?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: Mike Johnson?
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: Not Mike Johnson.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: Good guess.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: I should have started with that.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 12: Gingrich.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 13: Yes.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: Newt Gingrich.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: It was Newt Gingrich.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: Wow. That is crazy.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: That man was trouble.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: That was the.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: 90s. 1996.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: What?
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: Marijuana, you're dead.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 13: Right?
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: Contract of America was 94.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. College.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: Country's nuts.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: Nuts.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: Hasn't stopped. Got worse.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: Who's next?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Jesse. Hi, Jesse.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: Are you from Cleveland?
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: I am from Kent.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: That's cool.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: All right. I guess that's close, based on the context clues.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: Good job.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: OK, you ready?
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: I am.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: OK, this is not multiple choice.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 9: When asked if he ever tried marijuana, this former Speaker
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 9: of the House said, quote, that was a sign we
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 9: were alive and in graduate school in that era.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: McCarthy?
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: Someone said.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 5: Not a fan of Hintz and Kent? It's Gingrich.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: Sorry, that was so unfair to you.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: I would have guessed Pelosi.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: I would have said Boehner.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 5: Boehner likes weed. Boehner's a weed lobbyist now.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: Who doesn't now?
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: Pfeiffer. Alright, who's up next? Fucking Narc Pfeiffer.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: Alright. Mike Johnson of the group.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 5: Every group has a Mike Johnson, and if you don't
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: know who the Mike Johnson is in your group, look
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: in the fucking mirror, pal. I can't see. Is anyone
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: from Cleveland?
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: We have somebody here.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 12: What's your name?
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: Zach.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 5: Zach.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: Over here, John. Zach's over there.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: To your right?
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 13: No.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: To your right?
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 13: Further.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: There you are.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: There you go. A meta-analysis of 36 papers dating from
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 5: 2013 to 2021 published this year found that legalization of
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: marijuana lowered the rates of A, suicide, B, binge drinking, C,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: traffic fatalities, D, cannabis use in teenagers, E, all of
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 5: the above, or F, all of the above except for
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 5: the teen thing. I'm going to go with E. E,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: all of the above? All of the above. It turns out...
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: It turns out that when weed is legalized and dispensed
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: from an official location, it's harder for teens to get
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: their hands on. Something to think about. Something to think about. Hi,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: what's your name? Megan. Hi, Megan.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: Are you from Cleveland, Megan?
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 7: Ish.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: You are? Ish.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: You can't kind of be from somewhere.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: Not from there, but I lived there.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 5: Where are you from?
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: Northern Michigan, but I.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: Wow. Wow.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: Wait. I've been a Cleveland resident for many years.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: Is that Meg Harbaugh?
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: I think I.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: We know each other, right? Just kidding.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 8: Which state governor said of marijuana in 2007, quote, that's
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 8: not a drug.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: That's a leaf.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: Adding in another interview, I smoke the marijuana. I always inhale.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: There's a hint inside of it for someone who would
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: say the marijuana. Think about someone saying it in a
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: kind of action hero type of way.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 6: Would you say it's Nikki Haley?
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: Oh. What?
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 13: Arnold. Schwarzenegger.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: Dan, take us home.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: Who we got? Hello. My name is Lex, and I
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: love you all. Thank you. But Lex, I have to ask.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: Where are you from? I literally live in the city
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: of Cleveland. I was like summer.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 13: Winner, winner.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: Finally. Thank you, Lex. Okay.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 6: Here we go.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 10: If November's weed proposal passes here, Ohio would become what
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 10: number state out of our 50 nifty to legalize recreational usage?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I spent a decade in Colorado, so I can't
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  Speaker 6: do math anymore. You're not making a case for the initiative.
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  Speaker 2: Fair.
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  Speaker 5: Let's go with 26. Oh, so close.
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  Speaker 7: 24.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, look at that.
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  Speaker 2: But pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: Pretty good.
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  Speaker 9: I need tags on where it's legal.
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  Speaker 13: What?
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  Speaker 5: Who was talking?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, sorry.
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  Speaker 5: What did you say? No, no, we're good. Oh, come on.
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  Speaker 5: Let me talk to Alyssa.
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  Speaker 2: She's my favorite.
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  Speaker 5: Yo. Lex, you've lost the game.
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  Speaker 9: But you've won my heart.
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