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PCJ Book Club: 'Sunrise on the Reaping' by Suzanne Collins · Pop Culture Junkie®

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♪ Entertain me, entertain me right now ♪
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Welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie podcast.
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I'm Olivia and I'm here with Shauna.
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And we are so excited to go into the world of Pan M today
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with another episode of our Pop Culture Junkie Book Club.
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This time we're gonna be looking at sunrise
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on the reaping by Suzanne Collins,
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which came out in the last month or so.
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And before we really had deep into the book
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of sunrise on the reaping itself,
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we wanna do a little bit of a spoiler-free discussion
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of the Hunger Games world in general.
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What we knew kind of heading into this book,
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things that we were kind of thinking and knew
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about Hamich Abernathy who is--
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- That he was hot.
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- Yeah, well, Woody Harrelson's hot.
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So, you know. - Yeah.
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- In my head then, Hamich is hot.
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- Not a little rascal.
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- Yes, exactly.
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And so before we dive into our spoiler version
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of sunrise on the reaping,
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if you haven't heard yet,
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here's really kind of a quick rundown of the book.
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The Hunger Games prequel centers on Hamich,
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who you will probably know as Katniss's mentor.
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It's focused on the 50th Hunger Games,
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which is also known as the second quarter quell.
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If that sounds familiar to you,
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it's actually the reaping where they put in
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double the amount of contestants or tributes.
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So rather than 24 people going in from the districts,
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they actually had 48.
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- Do we know what they did in the first quarter quell?
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Because for Katniss's quarter quell,
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they reaped from the pool of existing victors.
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And then yeah, Hamich's was double the tributes.
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I wonder what they did for the first one.
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- So the first quarter quell was the Hunger Games
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where they made the districts of vote
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who would go into the reaping.
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- Oh, that's a mess.
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- Can you imagine winning the Hunger Games
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and then coming back and be like,
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"Oh, have you voted me yet?"
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- Yeah, so you all hate me is what you're saying.
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So you hate me.
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Stacy, I saw you vote for me.
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I saw you fucking vote for me, bitch.
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- Exactly.
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- Yeah, so the first quarter quell,
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you had to vote in people from your district.
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The second was Hamich's.
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It was double the tributes
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and then the last Hunger Games of the Hunger Games
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is the 75th quarter quell.
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And that is reaping of tributes.
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And so they do them every 25 years
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and they're meant to be audacious
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over consumption of a Hunger Games.
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- Yeah, the over the top.
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Even more fancy and ridiculous
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than the usual Hunger Games,
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which is always ridiculous and over the top
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and lots of children dying.
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- Yeah, trigger warning for children dying.
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- Yeah, lots of trigger warnings.
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Just war, you know, hunger, all the things
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that you can imagine, of course, kids dying.
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And, you know, the Hunger Games takes place
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in this dystopian future.
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It's in a place called Pan M,
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which is the ruins of North America
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after like a governmental collapse and war.
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So Pan M is kind of,
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the districts are set up into these 12 colonies,
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formerly 13.
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So kind of think back to when the United States
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first started, we had the 13 colonies
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and those things.
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So it's a bit of a nod back to that.
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But the Hunger Games is--
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- It reminds me kind of like handmade stale
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where it used to be the United States,
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but now it's gillian, gillian.
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- Gillian, yeah.
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- And so yeah, like imagine the United States,
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but yeah, it's broken up into 12.
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I saw a map the other day on social media
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that was like what the districts actually are
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like what they're broken up into,
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but I'm not sure how accurate it was,
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but it was interesting to see it.
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- So it is, it actually came out of a promo
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for the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes movie.
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Is where there-- - Oh, so it was a legit one.
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- Yeah, so it's from the movie specifically.
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And actually, if you just Google like Pan M,
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US overlay, like map, you'll be able to see like,
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District 10 is mainly Texas, like Arizona.
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- Where way in Arizona?
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- Arizona in New Mexico are District 5, California is
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District 4, the District 12, which are where Hamage
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and Katniss are from is known as Appalachia.
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And ultimately, it is--
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- Mountains and trees and forests.
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- Very much that.
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And Pan M is like a futuristic America
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and they've kind of broken it into this,
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but really the Hunger Games gets started
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after what's known as the Dark Days.
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They ultimately reap these young girls and young boys
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to kind of put a remembrance of why
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that they shouldn't rebel against the Capitol.
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- Yeah, it's--
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- It's their ongoing punishment year after year.
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And if you rise up again, then it's just gonna get worse.
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It's toe the line.
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(laughs)
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- Yeah, absolutely.
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And we get introduced really into the Hunger Games world
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during the 74th Hunger Games with Katniss and PETA.
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But really, it was such an interesting way to go back
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and really see these characters 25 years in the future
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and how these people started
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and how they got there ultimately.
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- Yeah, I liked that portion of the book.
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I'm sure that we'll get to it a little deeper
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in our conversation, but I remember texting you
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because you finished it before me, of course.
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Shocker, of course you did.
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Shocked, but I was like, I don't know how I feel
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about all of these characters.
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It kind of just felt like member berries.
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Like, oh, that character is here.
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Oh, yeah, that character is here.
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But by the end of the book, I was like, okay,
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I get it and I like that.
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And it explains why they are the way that they are
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when we run into the Katniss' books.
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Oh, that's why she's like this now
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and that explains her backstory.
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So yeah, I agree, it was interesting.
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- If you haven't finished the book yet,
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or you haven't started it yet,
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hopefully we can kind of convince you
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to read the book from our spoiler free version
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here, familiar names, but not overwhelming.
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- Yes, yes, exactly.
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And I think that the Hunger Games has,
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I mean, when I was younger,
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I, I think I was in high school
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when the original books came out
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and it hit me at such a point in my life.
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Like, the Hunger Games are a YA novel.
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They're very dark YA novel, ultimately.
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- Yeah, they are.
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- Because, you know, children are getting murdered,
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but it has such an important message.
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And so, Suzanne Collins, the writer of the Hunger Games,
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she's known in kind of the book talk world
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and just overall social media world
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as Suzanne Collins does not write a book
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unless she has something to say.
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And I think that is.
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- Absolutely, yep.
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- And it's very profound.
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- It's in a coincidence.
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- Yeah, that this book came out in the time
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that it did and what we're facing in the United States.
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There are so many little nods where it's not overt,
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but if you know, you know.
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- Yeah, absolutely.
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And, you know, when she first wrote the initial book,
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she's been quoted to say,
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you know, I was channel surfing
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between reality TV and an actual war coverage
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when Katna's story came to me.
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One night I was sitting around
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just flipping channels of young people competing for money.
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I don't know, maybe.
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And onto the next, there was a group of young people
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fighting in an actual war.
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And I was tired.
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- Yeah.
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- And the lines began to blur in this very unsealing way.
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And I thought of this story.
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- That's fascinating.
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I mean, you think about how you watch the war,
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you watch one tragedy, you all get sad.
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And then it's, okay, we forget about that
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and move on right to the next one.
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And then that fast tragedy becomes a distant memory
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and how it just kind of becomes, I don't know,
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oversaturated of this 24/7 news cycle.
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Let's all watch the news all night and just get sad
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and riled up and then not do anything about it
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where tragedy can become entertainment, absolutely.
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- Well, the Vietnam War was the first war
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that we ever had brought into our homes, right?
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But I think of the Iraq War as, you know,
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just constant coverage where people could tune into it
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at any given time and it was always there.
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And so it was really, really interesting.
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She had a father who served in Vietnam
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so she kind of had that background in it.
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But the original trilogy was inspired by Greek mythology
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and particularly the myth of theses and the Minotaur
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in which Athens was forced to sacrifice seven boys
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and seven girls to the Minotaur as punishment,
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which is a very clear parallel there and bringing that in.
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- I feel like a lot of mythologies have that sacrifice
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your youth to God.
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It's like even God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his son,
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Isaac, to prove his loyalty to him and in the end,
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God pulled a, "Gachah, oh, you were gonna do it,
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"she'll, you don't have to anymore."
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But like, definitely a running theme
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throughout a religion of mythology.
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- Yes, ultimately, and we've been retelling
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Greek mythology stories, stories of religion
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over and over throughout it and just finding new ways
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to resonate with it.
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Now, after the initial Hunger Games trilogy,
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I think that Suzanne Collins was like perfect.
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I wrote my little story, everything's gonna go well
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in the world.
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But as we mentioned earlier, Suzanne Collins
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really doesn't write anything by mistake.
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And I think that we first saw that she really had
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something to say with the ballad of songbirds and snakes.
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- Oh, gosh, which I still haven't read.
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- Yes.
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Did you watch the movie yet?
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- You know, I haven't and everyone keeps telling me
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how good it is.
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I think I will.
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My gut reaction of why it's taking me so long
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is that I really don't, I mean, I don't like snow, obviously.
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And so I'm like, why the fuck would I want to watch
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an entire movie dedicated to,
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like in this guy's sob story?
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- Yeah, like I don't hear you.
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- But I don't hear you. - But I don't hear you.
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- You're so hot. - Yeah.
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I know, but I'm like, oh, oh, what was me?
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You had a sad story and now you're gonna be like a dictator
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and a fascist.
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I don't know.
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But I've heard that it's more than that.
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So I'll give it a whirl.
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- Yes, I think that the movie, I mean, a lot,
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and we'll talk a little bit about the movie,
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or the book to the movie adaptations, I think, a lot.
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- Yeah.
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- What is said in ballad of songbirds and snakes?
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So in the book of ballad and songbirds and snakes,
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you're through snow's mind, right?
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So you hear his internal monologue
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and you hear that he is deep down like a bad person,
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even before he becomes like evil snow.
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And so-- - Okay.
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- So it's always been there.
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See, I wanted that too.
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I'm sick of all these.
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- Yeah.
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- I like a complex villain and I like a tragic backstory,
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but sometimes I want a villain who's just a dick.
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I want him just to be a bad person.
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I don't need some sob story.
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I don't know.
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- Yeah, and I think, you know,
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she is exploring these really popular themes
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in all of her books, right?
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So she's been on record to say
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the ballad of songbirds and snakes is looking at human nature
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through the philosophical arguments of Hob's,
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Locke and Russo.
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And ultimately, like, is someone born bad
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or is it something that happens to them?
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Is it a series of things that occur
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that lead them to this path
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and make them ultimately bad?
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And so I think it is a very interesting look
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into how does someone become like a fascist dictator?
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- Or they are terrible.
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- And all of a sudden.
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- Who broke Donald Trump's heart.
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- Yeah, right?
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And she came out with that.
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I mean, when did it come out like in 2021?
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So she was writing it around the time of, you know,
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the Trump presidency and things like that.
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And so four sunrise on the reaping.
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Ultimately, she has been said to draw inspiration
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from the Scottish philosopher, David Hume.
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Oh, yes, my favorite.
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Oh, yes, of course.
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It's a-- - Yeah, undoubtedly.
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(laughs)
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Hume, Hume's philosophy explores the easiness
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in which the many are governed by the few.
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- Oh, shit.
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- Yes.
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- So his whole kind of philosophy explores that
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and why are we willing to do that?
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And it also kind of lends itself into propaganda
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and how we find ourselves believing that
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and accepting that.
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Even when we do know that things are bad
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and people don't have our best interest in heart.
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- Yeah, and like the diffusion of responsibility
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at a certain point, like we all see that something bad
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is happening, but we all think,
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oh, somebody else will take care of it.
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Somebody else will take care of it.
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And at a certain point, everybody just kind of sits back
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and lets it happen because they think,
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at a certain point, oh, it's too hard to do anything
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about it now.
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Like no one did anything, so now none of us can.
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And then that's how people get away with continued evil shit.
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- Yes, exactly.
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And before we head into our spoiler version,
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give the listeners who maybe read slower than you,
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a spoiler free review of the sunrise on the Reaping Game.
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- First of all, it is April
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and I've already finished seven books this year.
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And I know you've probably finished like 35,
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but that's pretty good for me.
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- That is good.
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- I loved this book.
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I have not read song of--
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- That was some words in this guy.
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(laughs)
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I haven't read that yet or seen the movie,
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but I am a huge Hunger Games fan.
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I have watched those movies way more times
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than I think is probably healthy.
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(laughs)
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And read all of the books immediately when they came out.
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And this book was,
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you hear Hamich's voice in your head.
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It's written in such a perfect tone of voice.
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Almost where I had to reread certain lines like twice
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because they weren't quite grammatically correct
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because it's the way that he speaks, right?
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Do you know what I'm trying to say?
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- Yes.
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- And he'll say something and I'm like,
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"Wait, what is he trying to--
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- He speaks like someone from Appalachia, you know?
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- Exactly.
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And so I really liked that detail.
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And yeah, without saying any spoilers,
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I haven't cried in a book in a long time.
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And I went to the end of this book.
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And my husband was in his office playing video games
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and I walked in and I was like,
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"You don't even understand."
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And he's like, "No, I don't."
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I write down.
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- He's still reading two years later.
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He's like, "Yeah, I don't get it."
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- He's never gonna finish, dude.
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- Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
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I definitely rated this five stars on Goodreads.
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It was great.
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I think it had the right amount of fan service.
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It really explored a deep meeting, a deep theme
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and dark as hell.
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And I think for a story, you think you know so much about
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because you met this character within the Hunger Games.
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I mean, there was still so much that shocked me throughout
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and even though you know what's coming at the end
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because you meet Hamich later down the road,
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you know what's not gonna be good.
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Like, I knew even those final couple pages,
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I was reading it like, "Oh, like you turned the page
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"because you're like, "Oh, something bad's gonna happen."
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- Yeah.
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- Oh, lo and behold, it's Hunger Games.
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So it lots of bad things happen.
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But it all makes so much sense to explain
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why Hamich is the way he's now.
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- Yeah, absolutely.
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- Okay, so now that the fairies of the world
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are out and not listening.
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- Hey, hey, she learned how to read eventually.
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- Yeah, you're slowly becoming literate.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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- She figured it out.
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- We wanted to do this book,
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but we wanted to give our listeners enough time
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to be able to get through it and read it.
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And ultimately, we are aware that people have lives
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unlike myself.
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And so, you know, sometimes it's hard to get through a whole book
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unless you have high perfectations.
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And so, you know, I think that this book in itself
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was so well done mainly because we kind of alluded to it
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in the beginning, hey, Mitch is a character
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that we know survives the Hunger Games, right?
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We meet him with Katniss and 25 years from now.
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We know that he is a very sad alcoholic
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who has no family, no friends.
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At a certain point, they ask him, well, do you have any tips for us?
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And he goes, accept the inevitability of your,
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like, imminent demise.
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- Of your imminent demise, basically.
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- Except the fact that you're gonna die
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and there's nothing you can do about it.
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And they were both like, aren't you supposed to be armant
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or like, so that is the first introduction we get to him.
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- Yeah, and ultimately, if you never read
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the Hunger Games books, but you did watch the movies,
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hey, Mitch is very much changed within the book to movie, right?
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So within the movie, he is kind of there
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as the silly alcoholic.
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He's there for comedic relief.
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I mean, it's really hard not to--
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- But just sad because I tragic alcoholism is not funny.
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- Yeah, well, it's the Hunger Games.
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So it's murder.
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- Hey, you lived and now you just drunk all the time.
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- Yeah.
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- I mean, to be fair, that would be absolutely being--
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- Yeah, I mean, that's me and I'm not going into the Hunger Games.
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- That's me right now. - Yeah, and ultimately, the book itself,
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it changes a lot of things about Heymich.
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So we have the iconic Woody Harrelson playing Heymich,
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but within the books, Heymich is actually described
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as having dark hair and gray eyes.
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He is much more--
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he's not blonde hair blue-eyed within it.
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And a lot of the people within District 12 fit that.
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So Katniss has more olive skin tone.
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She is very dark hair.
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And so, you know, kind of keep that in mind
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whenever they originally casted it,
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where, you know, he doesn't necessarily fit the book description.
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Woody Harrelson?
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Woody Harrelson is just so good, though.
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And that has to be it.
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It's just like, he captures it so well,
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just that like tragic nuance,
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do you know there's something else there?
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You don't really get to find out, you know,
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in those first couple books or even movies,
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but you know something went down, right?
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- Yes. - To make him the way he is.
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And Woody Harrelson is just such an amazing actor.
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It's like, I'm thinking PETA's character, too,
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is also kind of that like blonde kid,
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but I don't remember if he has described that way in the book.
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- He is just blonde in the books.
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- Okay.
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Yeah, but he's just, he nailed it.
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So, you know, no stink from me with a different hair color.
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- Yes, and in the books, Hey Matches is seen
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as much more strategic and helping Katniss and PETA
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kind of navigate the capital itself and understanding,
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like what are they gonna look for?
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He definitely like pushes Katniss and PETA
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into their romance and their interview presentations
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and doing those things.
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And so, I think it, you lose a little bit of the depth
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to Hey Match within the movies that you would have had
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if you had read the original Hunger Games trilogy.
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- I agree with that.
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You do see like spots of it in the movie
21:30
where he looks over and sees like the kids playing
21:34
with the toys and you can, you know, in the capital
21:36
and they're playing with like swords,
21:38
wow, Katniss and PETA are in the games.
21:40
And you could see that like sadness in his eyes
21:42
where he's like, oh, these kids are playing murder
21:45
and when he starts hustling the room
21:47
and trying to get them some sponsors, you know,
21:51
especially once the, once catching fire is over
21:55
and the plot is revealed with Plutarch,
21:58
then we really get to see him kind of become more
22:00
of that strategic player.
22:02
But I agree it was definitely like a lot of things
22:06
between these movies and the books were more nuanced
22:08
or they cut them out for the sake of film
22:11
or even for violence is sake in some of them, I think.
22:14
- Yeah, yeah, and that's, he's like, yeah, right.
22:19
So I love that you just said like, you know,
22:22
the plot to overthrow the capital
22:25
become with District 13.
22:26
Like, so you know that Hamish has involved in that
22:29
within the original trilogy, but you don't know
22:32
when they met, how they met,
22:34
you have a friendship spell.
22:36
And ultimately that's really what you get
22:38
within this book, right?
22:39
So him and Plutarch, you mean?
22:41
Him and Plutarch, him and Beatie, him and,
22:45
- Mags and mags. - Mags and mags.
22:47
Yes.
22:48
So we talked about it a little bit in the beginning
22:50
where you see these characters from catching fire,
22:54
which are virus, Beatie and mags.
22:57
And ultimately, Hamish was originally supposed to be
23:02
briefed within those games.
23:05
So he was supposed to go in, but PETA actually
23:08
volunteers as tribute, so me, Mitch gets taken out.
23:12
But you meet these characters,
23:14
Mag is actually Hamish's mentor
23:17
and virus as well is involved within the mentorship,
23:22
because again, they have 48 mentor,
23:25
are they 48 tributes?
23:27
So they have two mentors. - Remember that little line
23:31
in catching fire where Katniss is like,
23:35
oh, there's no way she's gonna survive talking about mags.
23:39
And then Hamish says, well, I hope when she goes,
23:42
she goes fast, she's actually a really nice lady.
23:44
- Yeah.
23:45
- And it just brings so much more depth to that now
23:49
that you know, like, yeah, she was so there for him.
23:53
It makes sense why,
23:55
why risks is, what's the good word for this?
24:00
Talks to herself in his kind of strange, right?
24:05
- Yes, it's alluded that they were tortured
24:07
at the end of this book, but we don't really know how.
24:10
Same with mags doesn't even speak anymore, right?
24:13
Like, virus is kind of like,
24:15
loses a mind a little bit, but mags is just silent,
24:18
isn't she, in catching fire?
24:20
She's just mute.
24:21
- Yeah, she doesn't really speak, but at the same time,
24:25
she's also Annie's mentor, I think at some point within it.
24:29
So I don't know if she's just like old,
24:31
within catching fire.
24:32
I know that it impacts her quite a bit,
24:34
but I don't know if she's like,
24:36
I don't think she has a single line in that entire movie
24:39
from watching it, and she kind of like signs to catness.
24:43
I don't know, it's just, to me,
24:44
both of their characters speak trauma,
24:46
something happened, and then we see in sunrise
24:49
on the reaping that they were tortured
24:51
after "Hammages Games."
24:53
So like, that explains why they're the way they are now.
24:56
- Yeah, ultimately, and so you start to see these connections.
25:00
We also meet Beatie, who actually, as a result of his,
25:05
so Beatie is known to be one of the smartest people
25:11
within Pennam, not just the districts,
25:13
not just the capital, and he's very in control
25:17
of their electrical grid and their power grid.
25:20
And so they cannot kill him as a result of his rebellion.
25:25
So what they end up doing is they send in his son
25:29
into the Hunger Games.
25:32
His 12 year old son goes in, so the first year,
25:35
and ultimately, like, Beatie goes into it,
25:38
knowing that his son is going to die,
25:41
and they hatch this plan of how do we destroy the arena itself
25:46
and go through this kind of large plot to destroy it
25:53
with Ampert Beatie's son, and then ultimately,
25:57
Hamich as well, and so Hamich is involved in it.
26:00
- How did you feel about that plot?
26:02
It was so frustrating, and purposefully so,
26:05
I think it's supposed to be frustrating,
26:07
in that he keeps getting, he goes through the plan, right?
26:12
He floods the system, and it doesn't really do anything.
26:16
And it leads to Ampert's, like you said, Beatie and him,
26:20
already knew he was gonna die.
26:22
It was punishment for Beatie to have to watch his son die in TV.
26:25
And he was like, I want it to just be as quick and painless
26:27
as possible, and it ended up being the most gruesome death
26:30
of the games. - Oh, yeah.
26:31
- Oh my God.
26:33
Oh, never looking at a squirrel the same.
26:36
- Literally, squirrel.
26:38
But, and then, so he gets through this whole plot,
26:42
and Hamich beats himself up throughout the book too.
26:45
His internal monologue is just, I'm useless.
26:48
Why did I do this?
26:48
I should have just not done anything.
26:50
It would have been better to not do anything,
26:52
which is that diffusion of responsibility, right?
26:54
He's kicking himself or doing something
26:56
because it didn't really work out.
26:58
And I know he has another plan in the end,
27:00
but it's frustrating to see him go through that, right?
27:05
- Yeah, well, I think that's kind of like the argument
27:07
of the whole book, right?
27:10
Like of, you know, I think that Hamich's actions
27:15
do cause the capital to lose control of the narrative
27:20
within the game.
27:21
They wrestle it back in the end, ultimately,
27:24
with the replays and what they let people kind of see
27:28
on the second go around.
27:29
- Propaganda, and that's what the news,
27:31
like, you know, that's propaganda now,
27:33
just tweaking things to your liking.
27:36
And like, in the United States,
27:38
has it any country as propaganda,
27:39
but you think of North Korea, right?
27:41
Or they only show you the certain things
27:43
that make them look real good.
27:45
And so people don't know the actual truth.
27:47
But, yeah, it's so frustrating.
27:49
And you just want to scream and throw the book across the room.
27:53
- Yeah, and I think, you know, at the end of the book,
27:56
they had this line where, you know,
27:59
there's gonna be another victor later,
28:02
who's luckier than you are, but has catches fire
28:06
and that rebellion goes into it.
28:08
And you see that, you know, there are so many people involved.
28:13
We haven't really talked about Plutarch yet,
28:14
because I want to spend some time on him,
28:16
but you see so many people from the district
28:19
who have Plutarch involved in this story as well.
28:22
And then Hamich, who was courageous enough to do it,
28:25
he was courageous, he had the plan,
28:27
but he didn't have the luck, and he didn't have, you know,
28:30
the right kind of factors working for him at that moment in time.
28:35
- He had people who had his back,
28:39
but not to the degree that Katnist did.
28:42
So I do think, thinking back, you know, in the moment,
28:45
he probably thought, oh, this was useless, this didn't do anything,
28:48
but no, absolutely did.
28:50
You have to try and fail.
28:51
Like, revolutions aren't just easy.
28:53
It's not something you just try once,
28:55
and then you overthrow the government and everything's hunky-dory.
28:58
It's like, people will try and fail and fuck up and fall down,
29:02
and you will vote somebody out of office,
29:04
and then four years later they'll come back,
29:06
and it doesn't mean that you just stop, you keep trying.
29:10
So I think that's, you know, kind of like the epilogue
29:13
at the end of the book, he's like, yeah,
29:14
I did meet somebody who had more luck than I do.
29:18
And did destroy not only the arena, but the entire system.
29:23
So yeah, in that moment, it just,
29:24
it was so heartbreaking to see him be like,
29:25
why am I even doing this?
29:27
I keep fucking up, I keep failing, and you're like,
29:29
no, man, this is necessary, this is necessary,
29:32
the failure is necessary.
29:34
- Yeah, and ultimately, you know,
29:36
there's so many beautiful like callbacks within it.
29:40
Whenever I think, whenever I realize that,
29:45
you know, there's the scene with Lenore Dove and Hamich,
29:48
where he talks about wanting to be the last person
29:52
ever reaped, and to be fair, he technically was,
29:56
but it was 25 years later, because Hamich was the last name
30:00
pulled, and then Peter, you know, volunteers distribute,
30:04
but then that's the last hundred things.
30:06
- Yeah, so there's blue my mind,
30:08
you can blue my mind a little bit.
30:10
- Oh, so there's so many beautiful things
30:13
within this story, but, you know, one of the characters
30:16
that I think was the most interesting that we got to me
30:19
and get to know as a younger person
30:22
was definitely Plutarch Heavensby, who it--
30:26
- Did you picture him as--
30:28
- Phillips Seymour Hoffman.
30:29
- William H.
30:30
- I almost said it, William H. Macy.
30:32
- Why?
30:35
- I did picture him as William H. Macy.
30:37
I pictured him as film, like,
30:38
Phillips Seymour Hoffman the entire day.
30:40
- Yeah.
30:40
- May he rest in peace.
30:41
- Just like a young Phillips Seymour Hoffman,
30:43
yeah, absolutely.
30:44
- Absolutely, let me tell you.
30:45
- Hey, Mitch, it was just a young, what do you hear?
30:47
I'll say that in my mind.
30:48
- 100%.
30:49
But, yeah, I mean, I think that meeting Plutarch
30:53
as a younger person, as such a younger privileged person
30:57
who also kind of could see through it.
31:00
So you see these early seedlings of us,
31:05
no, hating Plutarch.
31:08
Now Plutarch is younger than him,
31:11
but Plutarch really kind of plays this angle
31:13
of getting what he needs out of the capital,
31:16
but also having this kind of like secret rebellion.
31:19
And you see that-- - Yeah.
31:20
- That the resources of the capital,
31:22
I mean, sometimes you need someone on the inside like that.
31:25
- Or an over their trust, get the money in the resources,
31:28
get on the inside.
31:29
- Yes, and one of the most interesting things to me
31:32
that I think I saw within this book that I took away
31:35
was the Heavensby family are even among the district
31:39
and the capital.
31:40
Some of the few people who still have access to books
31:44
and books that we would know today in North America.
31:47
So I don't think I ever really like grasp the level of like,
31:52
book burning, information control that the capital had
31:57
on books like the Raven by Edgar Allan Poe
32:01
is within this book quite a bit.
32:03
And no one-- - Yeah, exactly.
32:05
I know I caught that and it took me a minute too.
32:07
I didn't mean to cut you off,
32:08
but like when he first started quoting the Raven,
32:11
I was like, oh, yeah, you're like,
32:13
I forgot that this, yeah, I forgot that this took place
32:16
in what used to be the United States.
32:18
So yeah, this literature did exist in this world.
32:22
It's just people don't have access to it anymore.
32:24
So now it's just passed down through song
32:27
and through tale and spoken word, yeah.
32:29
But yeah, a lot of song, especially in the same.
32:33
- Yes, exactly.
32:34
And so, you know, it, how does the Heavensby's
32:38
because the Heavensby's are one of the richest families
32:40
within the capital.
32:41
They're richer than the snow family
32:43
and you see that within valid a song, birds and snakes.
32:47
And that is ultimately like why snow
32:49
so deeply despises the Heavensby family as well.
32:53
But they're keeping up with the genders a little bit.
32:56
Their ability to retain information and retain text
33:00
is actually what gives them that sets of humanity
33:03
in empathy and wanting to overthrow it.
33:07
Now, Plutarch I think is very self-serving within himself
33:11
because he's not like overtly putting his money there.
33:15
He's kind of behind the curtain tinkerer,
33:18
which might be what people need.
33:19
- Yeah, I mean, he's not gonna put his name in face to it.
33:22
Yeah, which, you know, for better or worse
33:24
could be something that any revolution needs
33:26
and I'm sure it is, but even when the book started
33:29
and he kind of started exposing himself to Hamich
33:33
as being on his side, I know how it ends
33:37
and I know who Plutarch ends up being.
33:39
But even I was like, wait, is he bad?
33:41
Is he bad?
33:43
Like even you aren't sure if he's kind of like playing Hamich.
33:48
- Yeah, I think he's meant to be very self-serving
33:52
where he thinks that's gonna be best.
33:55
Like does he do it because snow hates his family
33:59
and he knows that snow has to be overthrown
34:02
or is he doing it for the good of goodness, you know?
34:06
And so I think he gets results, so that's good.
34:09
I think that he's a very interesting character.
34:12
He's a very complex character.
34:14
And so one thing I didn't mention about Susan Collins
34:17
is she was originally a screenwriter
34:20
and so she likes to write within trilogies
34:25
and all of the books are written within a three-act structure
34:29
as well.
34:30
- So do you think is gonna be the next,
34:32
it's gonna be Plutarch?
34:34
Because I think she is going within a story of snow,
34:39
Hamich, someone deeply impacted but becomes,
34:43
like who is hurt but becomes a part of a rebellion
34:46
and then someone who is, you know, on the outsides
34:49
of that society and decides to join
34:52
because they don't have everything they want.
34:55
- If she writes a book about Plutarch,
34:56
it'll be interesting too.
34:58
Because it'll be the first book that she's written
35:00
if somebody who wasn't a tribute.
35:02
So it'll be definitely kind of a snow isn't a tribute.
35:06
- Well, that's true, but somebody,
35:08
he's like training a tribute or he's,
35:11
he's a mentor in the beginning.
35:13
- Yes, I guess that's true,
35:15
but it's somebody who's not like either a mentor
35:17
or a tribute, like.
35:18
- Yeah, well, I mean, Plutarch is like the video,
35:23
the propaganda person who like follows them around.
35:26
So he's involved in the games,
35:27
but probably still like get through the plot
35:30
of A Hunger Games within the book.
35:32
- Yeah, well, because Plutarch becomes a game maker, right?
35:36
And so he starts as the film person
35:40
who's like following around the district.
35:41
I think it'd be really interesting to see how he moves up
35:45
within that and like what does that do?
35:46
- Yeah, we're gonna see like that a,
35:48
like what promotion, what bad did he have to do
35:52
to get there to eventually do good?
35:54
I think that's a really interesting philosophical.
35:56
Like the needs, the many overcome the needs of one.
36:00
Like I think I could really see her making that argument
36:04
and saying, hey, is this even a good person?
36:06
Is this someone that you should support?
36:08
Because they did all this bad even though it led to
36:12
an overall much greater good.
36:14
Like I can see-- - He's gonna have to do something bad
36:16
to earn Snow's trust, right?
36:18
He's not just gonna let this guy move from being like
36:21
a propaganda journalist, if you know,
36:24
journalists very loosely there to be a game maker.
36:28
You gotta do something, shoot that toddler in the head
36:30
or something, I don't know.
36:31
- Yes, yeah, ultimately.
36:32
And I think that'd be a really interesting philosophical argument,
36:36
right?
36:37
There's so much philosophy around the needs of the greater good,
36:42
makeup for bad actions, negative action to one person.
36:47
I do think that it's gonna be a Plutarch
36:50
if she does end a third book.
36:51
She goes inside for sure she is.
36:53
But just-- - Oh, these are making so much money though.
36:56
- Yeah, but what I really do want to see
37:00
is a Finic Odare, a Hunger Games.
37:04
- Yeah.
37:05
- And if they could just age down some--
37:07
- Daddy. - At a Catholic.
37:08
- He's so hot.
37:10
He's so hot and touching fire.
37:11
- He's so hot.
37:13
Oh my God, just in a sugar cube.
37:15
- Yes, that was like when he pops that sugar cube in.
37:18
Oh, baby.
37:19
- I'll be your sugar cube, daddy.
37:21
- Yes.
37:21
- Yes, so hot, and he's amazing.
37:24
- Also really hot and dainty Joe's in the sixth.
37:27
- Squirrel.
37:28
- And also hot in that movie where he is a paraplegic
37:32
with me before you--
37:34
- With Daenerys Targaryen.
37:35
- Yeah, yeah, very hot.
37:37
Sorry, see this is why we need a Squirrel.
37:39
- Squirrel.
37:40
- So I'm eating squirrels.
37:42
- No but-- - He's a track.
37:43
- Yeah, but one of the funniest things,
37:46
I think about this book coming out
37:50
is the internet reaction to it.
37:53
So whenever the movie came out,
37:56
they had Tom Blithe play, Snow.
37:58
Tom Blithe is a very attractive man.
38:01
And so the--
38:02
- You mean in "Balad Assam Burns" and "Snakes."
38:05
- The ditty of the snakes and the birdies.
38:07
- Yes, yeah.
38:08
And so there were all these fan edits of Tom Blithe as Snow.
38:13
- Oh my God, so--
38:14
- No people thirsting over snow.
38:16
- Yes, and the internet said that this book was
38:19
our consequence of that.
38:21
And that's why she ultimately ripped our freaking heart out.
38:25
I mean, there were so many good characters.
38:27
- Oh, he's handsome.
38:28
- Oh, yeah.
38:29
Did you see him as Snow?
38:30
Type, type.
38:31
- Yeah, I'm looking at him right now.
38:33
- Yeah. - But also, we've said this before,
38:36
never trust a blonde man.
38:37
- Yeah, never trust a blonde man.
38:39
But you know, these characters within this book
38:43
were so amazing.
38:44
I mean, like, mazily Donner, so good.
38:47
You see nods of her throughout.
38:49
- I love her.
38:50
- Oh, we love a best.
38:52
- She bests me, girl.
38:53
She reminds me of Cordelia Chase, right?
38:57
- Yes.
38:57
- A bitch with a heart of gold.
39:00
- A bitch with a heart of gold.
39:01
- Yeah, that's perfect.
39:02
- She will look at your outfit and be like,
39:03
what the fuck are you wearing?
39:05
And then also offer to redress you
39:08
unless you get on her bad side.
39:09
And then she's just gonna make little jabs
39:11
at you every time you see her.
39:13
- I don't know if you ever caught this,
39:15
but the mocking J-Pan, that cat-ness guess--
39:17
- Yes, it's mazily's.
39:19
- Yeah, so--
39:20
- Yes, 'cause she thought it was ugly, right?
39:21
(laughing)
39:23
- Yeah, so--
39:24
- She's like, what is that?
39:26
- We had a mazily who is an amazing character.
39:29
Lulu, who, oh my god,
39:31
- Oh my god.
39:32
- Oh my god, just so sad.
39:33
- Rip my heart out with Lulu and Lulu.
39:38
What's Lulu's actual name, I forgot.
39:40
- Loyella?
39:42
- Loyella, yes.
39:43
- Loyella and Lulu,
39:44
both equally tragic characters.
39:48
Poor Wyatt, who doesn't get much to do in this book,
39:51
but he's there.
39:52
And Ampurt, who has, like I said, a horrifying death.
39:57
All of the deaths in this book are horrifying.
40:01
- Yeah, never gonna look at a squirrel the same.
40:04
- No, eaten by squirrels, blown up, heads cut off.
40:09
- The killer head chug.
40:10
- The killer head chug.
40:11
- Yeah. - Yeah.
40:12
- This one had a lot of crazy mutations.
40:16
I also think the arena, as itself,
40:19
was really, really interesting.
40:20
It's known to be this beautiful scenery,
40:23
but everything is poisonous.
40:24
So it's like, what looks beautiful on the outside
40:27
and can kill you or the illusion of beauty.
40:30
- Like a red rose with sorens.
40:32
- Yeah, the illusion of beauty.
40:35
So honestly, if you can't tell,
40:37
we could go on and on and on about this.
40:39
But I think that this book has so many deep themes within it
40:44
and ultimately of how power structures
40:48
try to maintain control and how individuals
40:50
can resist oppression even when that victory
40:54
seems impossible.
40:55
Again, Suzanne Collins, just an amazing person
40:58
to come in and create a story.
41:00
- Incredible. - They'll live.
41:01
- Yeah, ultimately.
41:03
And I think even if she wrote like a joke book,
41:08
it would still be amazing and have deep themes
41:10
and meaning within it.
41:12
- I'd still cry.
41:13
- Yeah, absolutely.
41:14
So she's just amazing at really telling a story
41:18
that makes us think.
41:20
And so we're gonna take a quick break
41:23
and we're gonna talk a little bit about the film adaptation.
41:26
(dramatic music)
41:29
- Okay, so if you haven't heard yet,
41:34
the Sunrise on the Reeping book was immediately picked up
41:38
for a movie, Go Figure, just like the Ballad of Songbirds
41:43
and Snakes, they kind of immediately,
41:44
like I think as soon as Suzanne Collins finished the book,
41:47
they started to write the script.
41:49
And so it was so close afterwards, yeah.
41:51
- Yeah, and she writes in a really good way
41:53
because again, she was a screenwriter
41:56
to be adapted into a movie.
41:59
- Well, we don't have any official casting announcements.
42:04
They have started to release a little bit of buzz,
42:08
a little bit of rumors within it.
42:10
- And rumor mill buzzing.
42:13
- Yeah. - Love it.
42:14
- And I think most of these sound legit.
42:18
- Yes, they do.
42:19
So for our leading man here,
42:23
we have Charlie Plummer as Hamich Abernathy.
42:26
So I had originally wanted this person to be
42:30
Keeper Sutherland because obviously it's Donald Sutherland's
42:33
son, but I actually do really, really like this casting.
42:38
- Keeper Sutherland as old girl.
42:41
- So is President Snow.
42:43
- He's pretty. - Yeah, but you mean for Snow,
42:46
I thought you meant for Hamich.
42:48
And I was like, "Bad, you are so pretty."
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- E.K. Lying really am, aren't you?
42:56
And now I'm just gonna picture Keeper Sutherland
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trying to play a 16 year old.
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And he's like, "Yeah, I'm big."
43:04
- So we have 24 hours to be in to destroy the arena.
43:08
- I would watch that though.
43:11
I would definitely watch that.
43:12
- Oh, absolutely.
43:13
- No, that key would be great for Snow.
43:15
- Yes, Keeper Sutherland for President Snow
43:18
because his dad was the older snow.
43:20
But unfortunately they're not doing that.
43:23
The rumored casting for this is actually
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rafes finds so not only-- - So old the more?
43:29
- Yeah. - Literally old the more.
43:31
- So not only is he going to play Voldemort,
43:34
he will play Snow.
43:36
- The girl has come to die.
43:39
- So literally Voldemort.
43:41
So Voldemort. - Literally Voldemort.
43:43
- So the girl has got fire.
43:46
- Has come to die.
43:49
- Literally.
43:51
I don't hate it.
43:54
I think you could do a good job in it.
43:56
- It's a good actor.
43:57
- Yes, he is.
43:58
Even if he has a confusing name to pronounce.
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(laughing)
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- It's too much his name ever.
44:04
- Okay, how old is Snow supposed to be in his 50s, right?
44:07
- Yes, yeah.
44:08
- So it-- - Okay, it's--
44:09
- It's fine as 62.
44:11
So-- - Yeah, yeah.
44:12
- It's close.
44:13
Same with Keeper Sutherland.
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I was going straight.
44:17
I just want NEPO baby casting.
44:19
Same thing with Plutarch.
44:22
I wanted it to be Philipsy More Hoffman's son.
44:26
- But-- - Was he an actor?
44:27
- Yeah, he is.
44:29
But they're saying that it will most likely be Jesse Plemons.
44:34
- Which-- - Jesse Plemons would be--
44:36
- Perfect.
44:37
- He looks so much like him.
44:38
- Yeah, he looks, he's spot on,
44:40
and he's a very good actor.
44:42
- Yeah, he looks so much like Philipsy More Hoffman.
44:45
Now, I love this one the most.
44:47
Out of all the rumored fan casting.
44:49
- Yeah, I love that.
44:50
- I don't know.
44:51
- We have Kirin Colken as a Caesar flickerman.
44:55
I don't know.
44:56
I mean, I would have to see it.
44:57
- Kirin Colken again. - Cool act.
44:58
- A wonderful actor.
45:00
But I'm not sure if he looks like--
45:03
- Stanley Tucci.
45:04
- Yeah, I don't know if I can,
45:06
I see that him growing into Stanley Tucci.
45:09
- Oh my God, no, I see it so much.
45:11
- It's essentially-- - And it's a very young
45:13
Caesar flickerman too.
45:15
And they're gonna have, like Caesar flickerman,
45:17
wears all those colors and like literal drag
45:19
all the time. - That's true.
45:21
- I see it for him. - He is a gay icon.
45:24
- Literally Kirin Colken is so funny.
45:26
I think that he's probably my favorite
45:28
out of all the rumored fan casting released so far.
45:30
I think he would-- - Yeah, he's wonderful.
45:32
- And do a really good job.
45:34
And then-- - Oh no, he would do amazing.
45:36
I just, I need to see the full makeup effects maybe.
45:40
- Yeah. - I need to see a purple booth font
45:41
on him. - Yeah, right.
45:43
- Exactly.
45:44
And the last one that we've had come out of this.
45:48
Now, they've been rumored to be playing two people.
45:52
I'm gonna say the one that I want them to play the most.
45:56
But I'll tell you the second laughter.
45:58
So L-fanning is rumored to be a young,
46:02
effie trinket.
46:03
I totally forgot to mention.
46:05
We meet effie within the book.
46:07
How effie in the industry-- - Oh my God, I love effie trinket.
46:10
I love that she had, Hey, Mitch is back.
46:13
Like, throughout, I mean, she's still effie
46:16
and she's still gonna be a capital darling.
46:19
But we see that little bits of humanity
46:21
where she knows that this isn't right.
46:23
- Yes. - You know, she--
46:25
- Yeah, I mean, as much as she wants to say,
46:27
well, this is for the greater goods.
46:29
And the games really are for the greater goods.
46:31
Like, you know, there's that doubt in her mind
46:32
where she's like, this is also gonna mess up.
46:34
- Yeah.
46:35
And so, L-fanning, I think, just like the red carpet looks,
46:40
we would get leading up to this movie as her
46:43
in "Math Addressing." - Oh my God.
46:44
I would love it. - Yes.
46:45
I think she would make a great effie trinket.
46:48
I also saw a fan cast of Lily Rinehart.
46:52
- Yeah. - Yeah.
46:54
I think she's too, like, sweet looking for that.
46:56
- Mm. - Vienna.
46:57
- Okay, I could see that.
46:59
I want her to get some more roles.
47:00
I like her. - I see.
47:01
- I like her too. - I think she's good.
47:03
- Lily Rinehart's hilarious.
47:05
Al-fanning has also been said to be rumored
47:08
for Mazzle Lee Donner.
47:10
But I think that needs to be like a mega bitch.
47:12
Someone who looks bitchy right out the gate.
47:14
- Yeah, I need a Burnett.
47:17
I don't know. - Well, she's blonde.
47:18
- She's blonde in the middle of it.
47:19
- Is she blonde? - Yeah.
47:20
- In my head, I picture her as a sassy Burnett.
47:23
Maybe it's just I pictured her just as charisma carpenter
47:26
in the entire movie. - Yeah, I'm fair, probably.
47:27
- Or the entire book.
47:28
- Yeah, charisma gets some blonde highlights.
47:31
- Yeah, let's get charisma in there.
47:32
(laughing)
47:34
- And so those are the main speculations of characters
47:39
we've seen so far.
47:40
Again, no one is confirmed yet.
47:43
I think the movies are kind of stuck to what
47:46
the other movies did, where they can't stray too far
47:51
from those original castings,
47:53
but I think they do have some wiggle room within it.
47:56
If they were to cast Hamage as someone with dark hair,
47:59
they'd be in trouble for continuity sake,
48:01
but-- - Yeah, it just wouldn't make sense.
48:03
But I mean, yeah, it doesn't.
48:04
You're never gonna get somebody who looks exactly
48:07
like somebody else because humans have faces.
48:10
- Yes, I also think they could do.
48:12
- That's for Chessie Plymans.
48:13
That one's-- - Yeah, that's--
48:14
- Those two might be related, I don't know.
48:16
- That's Philipsy Morehoff, a little spot on.
48:19
(laughing)
48:20
- Or they just get, I almost like Kristen Stewart.
48:24
- No.
48:25
- Kristen Dunst to play Fee would like that too.
48:28
She's a little too old though.
48:29
- Oh, I would love that.
48:31
I just watched Hidden Figures for the first time
48:34
over the weekend, and Kirsten Dunst is delightful in it.
48:37
I mean, she's a bitch, but she's good.
48:39
- I've seen that movie, but I don't remember her in it.
48:42
- I love that. - She plays, yeah,
48:43
like one of the higher ups in NASA,
48:45
who at first is like kind of trying to hold
48:48
the other ladies down, and then eventually she's like,
48:50
"Yeah, you could do this."
48:52
So.
48:53
- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:54
Now it's coming back to me.
48:56
- I don't know, I haven't really been able to place
48:58
Lenore Dove in my mind.
49:00
I almost want it to be someone who has like a Rachel
49:05
Zegler look within her because it's like,
49:09
that Rachel Zegler within that story, right?
49:12
- Oh, Lucy Gray. - Yeah, Lucy Gray.
49:15
Lucy Gray is her aunt.
49:17
Lenore Dove is a redhead, right?
49:20
- I can't remember.
49:21
I think she does have a strawberry blonde or red hair.
49:24
Ooh, the redhead from Riverdale.
49:26
I could see her in it.
49:27
I don't know if she could sing, no.
49:29
- I mean, she's singing Riversdale,
49:30
but they all kind of were forced to sing in Riverdale.
49:33
- Yeah, right, exactly.
49:35
No, but I really, really love the book.
49:37
I mean, I think that so many good things to say,
49:41
even if you loved it. - Yeah, me too.
49:43
- If you went into it and you're like,
49:44
well, why would I read that?
49:45
I already know what's gonna happen.
49:46
Oh, boy.
49:48
- You don't though.
49:48
You think you know, but you don't.
49:51
- The buckle.
49:52
- This is the true life of HeyMitch.
49:54
- HeyMitch, have a happy nothing.
49:56
- And the stories that get told around it.
49:58
Why did I go to a studio?
49:59
- This is behind the music of HeyMitch.
50:01
(laughing)
50:03
I was doing behind the music, but I was doing S.V.
50:07
Oh my God.
50:08
(laughing)
50:10
- Man.
50:11
Behind the music is you think you know, but you don't.
50:16
This is the true story of Britney Spears.
50:19
- Then it's all like a breakdown.
50:21
Anyway, aging myself VH1, where you at?
50:24
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50:28
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50:31
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50:32
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50:34
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50:40
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50:42
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50:45
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50:47
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50:49
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50:50
Want actually the day that Sean broke her foot
50:53
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50:54
We finished all of the Hunger Games movies.
50:59
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51:00
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51:03
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51:05
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51:07
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51:10
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51:12
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51:14
I just didn't know it.
51:15
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51:16
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51:17
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51:18
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51:20
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51:22
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51:23
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53:49
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