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Speaker 1: He's the gold perform it tonight. Why did the Albanezer
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Speaker 1: government let in not one jew hating Islamic preacher, but
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Speaker 1: two in just one week. How a celebrity chef was
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Speaker 1: monstered for flying the flag and around the leaders lock
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Speaker 1: up women for not covering their hair, but they're relatives. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: that it all hang out in America, or did until
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Speaker 1: they were booted out. Plus the great NDAs wrought. But first,
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Speaker 1: there's just so much Trump hatred in the media that
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Speaker 1: you now be convinced that Donald Trump is losing this war.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's a disaster. He's got no off ramp.
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Speaker 1: He's lying when he says it's communicating with their own
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Speaker 1: as new leaders, the Iranian regime is strong. In fact,
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Speaker 1: they say the US president must now be desperate, with
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Speaker 1: Iran blocking oil takers and the straight upon moors causing
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Speaker 1: fuel sure cotages almost everywhere. I mean, just look at
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Speaker 1: Trump's hysterical post overnight Tuesday. He wrote, or Wednesday morning
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Speaker 1: our time, Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge
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Speaker 1: day all wrapped up in one. That's his threat to
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Speaker 1: bomb them, opening the effings straight written out almost in full,
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Speaker 1: You crazy bases or you'll be living in hell. Just
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Speaker 1: watch praise be to Allah. Okay, it's a bit out there,
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Speaker 1: but all these criticisms they're really just political slogans. So
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Speaker 1: tonight I'm going to give you the sun of the
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Speaker 1: war that you are not being told. For instance, if
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Speaker 1: the Trump haters were right, you might have heard this bit.
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Speaker 1: Though if they were right, we would not have this
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Speaker 1: headline in Axios around midday today, around mediators make last
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Speaker 1: stitch push for a forty five days cease fire in
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Speaker 1: negotiation that are involving Pakistan, Egypt, and Turkey, as well
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Speaker 1: as Trump's envoice the whit cough and he runs foreign
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Speaker 1: minister as the name, and there were any talks. Now,
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Speaker 1: I actually think that the chances of a cease fire
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Speaker 1: now here low, and Trump's senensive bombing campaign will start
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Speaker 1: in a couple of days. But who knows. Who knows
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Speaker 1: one way or another. The Iranian regime is on the
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Speaker 1: ropes precisely because Donald Trump's war aims have been largely,
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Speaker 1: not completely largely achieved to destroy the islamistra regime's ability
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Speaker 1: wage war and export terror. In fact, an American triumph
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Speaker 1: on the weekend proves exactly this, that is true. Iran
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Speaker 1: managed on Friday to shoot down an American fifteen over Iran. Now,
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Speaker 1: the US quickly rescued one pilot, but the other airmen
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Speaker 1: wounded was missing. Now you've probably heard his story, now
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Speaker 1: how Iraqis were combing the mountains looking for him, with
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Speaker 1: a regime offering a big reward for his capture, because
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Speaker 1: the propaganda, of course, would have been devastated for Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine Iran parading the injured part in front
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Speaker 1: of the world's media and in front of its own people.
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Speaker 1: Would have been catastrophic of Trump, demoralizing for the internal opposition.
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Speaker 1: But it didn't happen, because yesterday, after nearly two days
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Speaker 1: of this airmen being on the run, Trump posted, we
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Speaker 1: got him. The United States military pulled off one of
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Speaker 1: the most staring search and rescue operations in US history.
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Speaker 1: And for once, it's not exaggerating. We told the injured airman,
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Speaker 1: a colonel. He climbed a tall mountain, hid in a crevice,
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Speaker 1: and signaled his whereabouts with an encrypted communications device sparingly
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Speaker 1: so the Iranians couldn't pick up where he was. Special
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Speaker 1: forces were dispatched with two airplanes to pick them all up,
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Speaker 1: although those planes did get stuck in the Iranian sand
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Speaker 1: and had to be destroyed along with two helicopters so
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't fall into Iranian hands, while three other helicopters
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Speaker 1: were sent in a back up. Now Iran is boasting
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Speaker 1: about those planes, but that's nothing compared to Iran losing
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Speaker 1: the airmen. And yet that's not the full humiliation of
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Speaker 1: Iran's military you consider this. The US planes looking for
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Speaker 1: the pilot flew extremely low without being brought down by
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Speaker 1: Iranian forces, clearly didn't have the weapons the US rescue
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Speaker 1: team actually used. They disused the airport south of Isfahan,
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Speaker 1: Around's second biggest city, without being detected. What's more, there
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Speaker 1: are multiple reports which I can't confirm, that local uranians
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Speaker 1: deliberately blocked the roads to stop the Islamic Revolutionary Guard
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Speaker 1: Corps from searching for the American Lots of video online
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Speaker 1: about it. So that Airmin was saved in the heart
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Speaker 1: of Iran after nearly two days using the Iranian airstrip,
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Speaker 1: with Iranian civilians reportedly helping, and there was nothing around
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Speaker 1: regime could actually do about it. That shows how its
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Speaker 1: power has been smashed. So once again Trump has brought
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Speaker 1: himself a bit more time to finish the mission that
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Speaker 1: he said from the start, we'll take another week from now.
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Speaker 1: Last week he said, well, maybe two weeks. One thing
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Speaker 1: that's left to do, maybe to find and if possible,
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Speaker 1: remove the uranium that Iran has a rich for nuclear bombs.
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Speaker 1: It's still there somewhere, so the head of the International
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Speaker 1: Atomic Energy Agency last week apparently it's now split between
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Speaker 1: two places.
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Speaker 2: Even if you moved part of it, you could still
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Speaker 2: have amounts that will be enough to manufacture a few warheads.
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Speaker 1: Do you know where the rest of it is? Can
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Speaker 1: you give.
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Speaker 3: Us basically for han and there's also some in Natans.
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Speaker 1: So all this is why I'm not betting on a
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Speaker 1: ceasefire before Trump's deadline. Might happen, might not, probably not.
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Speaker 1: Now the Trump paters are going to say, well, see
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Speaker 1: there is no our framp. It's an endless war. After
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Speaker 1: five weeks, Iran as the cards, having blocked the oil
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Speaker 1: tankers using that narrow strait of for moors with the
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Speaker 1: Iranian mines, drones and missiles, and that of course does
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Speaker 1: still mean real trouble for us because we stopped refining
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Speaker 1: most of our own fuel, which disastrous stupidity is going
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Speaker 1: to hurt us for months.
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Speaker 2: There are risks to supply chains as long as the
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Speaker 2: straight of Homore's remains closed. We're not going to overpromise
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Speaker 2: in terms of months ahead. There will be challenges and
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Speaker 2: concerns which will just continue to work through.
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Speaker 1: Two developments which possessedly Irun really is in trouble, and
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Speaker 1: not just because it has been made so militarily weak
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Speaker 1: in just those five weeks of war. First, the few
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Speaker 1: oil tankers are now getting through the Strait of Moors,
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Speaker 1: some by hugging the coast of Amman out of you know,
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Speaker 1: it's in Omani waters and there must be some deal
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Speaker 1: with iround there and others. Because Iran has had to
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Speaker 1: let the tankers of friendly countries also go through. It's
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Speaker 1: allowing tankers from Iraq which would otherwise collapse. It's sort
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Speaker 1: of an ally. Some tankers that bound for China, Japan, Pakistan,
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Speaker 1: friends have been lent through and great news for US.
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Speaker 1: One super tanker is bound for Muslim Malaysia, which happens
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Speaker 1: to be our third biggest supplier a fuel and Malaysia reckon.
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Speaker 1: There's is many a six more to come now. Of course,
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Speaker 1: it's still not enough, but it does help, so it's
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Speaker 1: not surprising. Although the trumpety media doesn't report this either.
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Speaker 1: There's now division among Iran's leaders. The civilian leadership is
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Speaker 1: calling on the revolutionary guard care this most fanatic. It's
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Speaker 1: like the Iranian ss right and the clerics that actually
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Speaker 1: hold the ultimate power to agree to talks with the
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Speaker 1: US to make a deal to save the country. Now
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Speaker 1: around International that's a British based Persian language of media
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Speaker 1: organization with excellent contacts, still decide to run reports that
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Speaker 1: President Masud Pezshkian and former Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif
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Speaker 1: and former President Hassan Rhani have all called now for
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Speaker 1: some kind of deal, although demonstrates a protest in Tehran
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Speaker 1: organized as Friday by the regime called Zeri and Ruhani
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Speaker 1: traitors and burn their pictures in protest, and of course
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Speaker 1: have been death threats against them. In fact, President Pezshkian's son,
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Speaker 1: an adviser, wrote on his telegram account that he didn't
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Speaker 1: understand the criticism of his father's call for negotiation and
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Speaker 1: called for more respect for him well. The bad news
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Speaker 1: though for the presidents at the new head of the
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Speaker 1: Revolutionary Guard Chorus blocking him. He won't even let him
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Speaker 1: see the new Supreme Leader, who may or may not
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Speaker 1: be actually dead anyway. And by the way, the Guard
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Speaker 1: Corps has the gun, so I guess it is the
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Speaker 1: final say. But there are more signs of fear in
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Speaker 1: the regime that its power is waning. It's been the
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Speaker 1: Easter period hanging at least eight more protesters who demanded
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Speaker 1: freedom from the reign of the clerics, and several of
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Speaker 1: these heroic men chanted for freedom before they were murdered. Haro, haro.
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Speaker 1: That's the side of the war you don't usually hear
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Speaker 1: in the media. So obsessed with picking holes in Donald Trump,
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Speaker 1: they don't even look to the other side of the war.
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Speaker 1: So it won't be surprised if Trump does now decide
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Speaker 1: he cannot stop now, he must finish this job, which
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Speaker 1: means this could will last for weeks more, and not
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Speaker 1: because the US is losing but winning. I just have
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Speaker 1: to wonder again, you know, this is really the smart
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Speaker 1: way to handle a few crises. The Albany is a
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Speaker 1: government refusing to even discuss rationing. Said the what may
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Speaker 1: last for weeks more and if it does stop, there
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Speaker 1: the fuel shortages will almost certainly remain for a while
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Speaker 1: yet resources Mister Crispone admitted just that today.
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Speaker 2: Even if the Straits film was open tomorrow, there's going
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Speaker 2: to be impacts for quite a while for the world
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Speaker 2: to recover.
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Speaker 1: Now already today, to spoad all the government's claims that we
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Speaker 1: have plenty of fuel, two hundred and seventy four service
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Speaker 1: stations had no diesel, the most important working fuel for
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Speaker 1: farmers and miners. Half of those stations in New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: New Southwest in particular, where we've been focusing with the
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Speaker 2: industry on getting fuel to farmers because it's sowing and
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Speaker 2: seeding season, so therefore our service station numbers out a
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Speaker 2: diesel have been higher than anyone would like.
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Speaker 1: But getting the diesels to the farmers in time for
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Speaker 1: the sewing is not enough. They have to know the
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Speaker 1: diesel will also be there for when they spread the
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Speaker 1: fertilizer or and then of course with the harvest thing,
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Speaker 1: So that diesel has to be not just sold at
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Speaker 1: a price where a farmer can still make a dollar
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Speaker 1: for those three critical periods, the price that owns more
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Speaker 1: than three dollars a lead. Farmers also have to know
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Speaker 1: if they spend tens of thousands of dollars on the sewing,
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Speaker 1: will there still be nothing for them? Is it all
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Speaker 1: wasted if there's no diesel later for the fertilizer, for
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Speaker 1: the urea or for the harvesting or under the price
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Speaker 1: that makes commercial sense? Now I got it. We still
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Speaker 1: have twenty nine days of diesel supply left the national
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Speaker 1: stocks and takers are still coming in. And I also
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Speaker 1: god that if the government does talk about rationing, it's
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Speaker 1: going to be even more panic byring at the pump.
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Speaker 1: But surely people, especially farmers, deserve to know if there
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Speaker 1: are plans they can count on to make the fuel
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Speaker 1: last that the worst happens, because just crossing your fingers
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Speaker 1: is not a policy.
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Speaker 4: I'm hopeful that we don't have to rush and Petrol.
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Speaker 1: Joining me in Michael Kroger, former president of the Victorian
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Speaker 1: Liberals is Steve Conroy, former Laby senator and Cabinet minister. Michael,
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Speaker 1: there are fewer service stations without fuel today than the
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Speaker 1: where a week ago. That's good, But should the government
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Speaker 1: just level with voters and give us its plan for
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Speaker 1: making the fuel lasts for the next I know, four
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Speaker 1: or five months. If the worst does.
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Speaker 5: Happen, Andrew, that's absolutely correct. We need a plan published,
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Speaker 5: plan out to December with various continuencies, particularly what happens
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Speaker 5: if oil exports from Middle East don't return to normalody
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Speaker 5: And that's for the very reason that you've explained.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 5: Look, we've had petro rationing before, we held z and
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Speaker 5: evens before. I think it was in nine to seventy nine.
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Speaker 5: I think I remember going to the petrol station with
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Speaker 5: my mother and father on the day when our number
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Speaker 5: plate said we get filled. One of the most important
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Speaker 5: things in this country happens to be food production, and
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Speaker 5: if there's any risk to diesel being available for farmers,
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Speaker 5: we're going to have a food crisis in this country.
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Speaker 5: So it would be preferable for the government to say, look,
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Speaker 5: this is what's either our contingencies out to December. Here's
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Speaker 5: the amount of fuel needed for harvesting season, to make
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Speaker 5: sure our farmers are secure and our food production is secure.
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Speaker 1: We just seem to be.
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Speaker 5: Bumbling along day by day by day, and as I
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Speaker 5: said last week, no one's got any confidence.
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Speaker 1: In poorl Chris Bowen.
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Speaker 5: So if we could see something in writing out the
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Speaker 5: Christmas I think that would give people a lot more confidence.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Stephen. I mean, obviously saving petrol now means something
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Speaker 1: to the government because it's been telling us, you know,
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Speaker 1: if you can catch public transport in the cities please,
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Speaker 1: do you know we reserve some fuel for the bush
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Speaker 1: and all that, So why not actually talk through the
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Speaker 1: plans about potential rationing if it's going to give people confidence.
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Speaker 3: The government has set out a plan saying there are
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Speaker 3: four stages and we're only in stage two. So let's
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Speaker 3: look say that there is a very good reason and
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Speaker 3: seventy percent, seventy percent of Australians know what the reason is.
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Speaker 3: And his name is Donald Trump. Now, the three of
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Speaker 3: us on this program right now are all supportive of
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Speaker 3: the excursion into Iran. But in terms of trying to
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Speaker 3: get a handle on what is going on, let me
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Speaker 3: just read you. I'll read you the first four of
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Speaker 3: about twenty days worse. Donald Trump. March third, we won
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Speaker 3: the war. March seven, we defeated Iran. March nine, we
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Speaker 3: must attack Iran. March nine. The war is ending almost
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Speaker 3: completely and very beautiful. It's just the first four or
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Speaker 3: five days. So what you can need to understand is
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Speaker 3: that the Pentagon because they're now house trained and the
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Speaker 3: State Department equally as house trained. They know they can't
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Speaker 3: contradict the president in briefing to allies. So for those
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Speaker 3: those first few weeks, the American agencies were telling its allies,
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Speaker 3: including Australia, it's all going to be over very quickly.
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Speaker 3: Since that point, after about two weeks, when Trump was
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Speaker 3: for not having a plan to actually end the conflict
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Speaker 3: and being surprised that suddenly twenty percent of the world's
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Speaker 3: oil was cut off from.
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Speaker 1: The rest of the world, at what's happened. It's just
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Speaker 1: check you sitting here, Michael. No, I'm sitting here. I'm
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Speaker 1: sitting here, I'm reading here. I'm a fact checking you.
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Speaker 1: I'm fact checking you. One, it wasn't Donald Trump that
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Speaker 1: caused the oil blockade. It was Iran. Okay, let's get
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Speaker 1: the causality straight. It isn't Donald Trump shooting ships. It
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Speaker 1: is Iran.
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Speaker 4: Or you can.
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Speaker 1: Sell you tell me how many of those Australians if
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Speaker 1: that's what they think, If they're all as wrong as you,
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Speaker 1: they're still wrong. Even if there are Australians are wrong.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Look, there are australians'm Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: If they believe but I don't believe Australians they are
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Speaker 1: as dumb as you just said. They wouldn't be as
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Speaker 1: dumb as you saying that Trump I didn't know it
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Speaker 1: was dumb that I soil. You're wrong and they're right. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Trump caused the alt stop. He did, not Iran did.
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Speaker 1: It was a deliberate strategy. Please don't confuse after it
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Speaker 1: Attacker withol. I'm not very seriously. I'm not being serious
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Speaker 1: in saying that it was iron shooting the tankers. Apparently
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Speaker 1: Stephen's world is Donald Trump pulled, you know, machine gunning
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Speaker 1: them or whatever.
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Speaker 3: I think I've never I've never said any of the
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Speaker 3: things you've just attributed to me.
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Speaker 5: I think the Americans must have never said them. The
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Speaker 5: Americans must have closed the Straits. Home was Andrew. And
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Speaker 5: by the way, Stephen, if you're confused about Donald Trump,
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Speaker 5: just to mentionine how the Ranians are feeling.
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Speaker 3: No, it's a brilliant five d chests. I've heard it
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Speaker 3: all now. Were up to a forty five day armistice, Stephen.
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Speaker 1: It was day one, well, day one, he said, five
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Speaker 1: to six weeks. I don't know whether you were asleep Bard,
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Speaker 1: I think he said six weeks. Get somebody wins first March.
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Speaker 1: How many weeks I got a quote from almost how
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Speaker 1: many weeks have gone passed?
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Speaker 2: Day?
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Speaker 1: He said? Five? Donald Trump? Day one?
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Speaker 3: Tell me when I'm just quoting your Donald Trump, I
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Speaker 3: know you don't like me to quote honestly.
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Speaker 1: That's enough and as West real turn honestly true. If
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Speaker 1: I can't get through the Vietnam even we don't have
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Speaker 1: a debate, Mike will go.
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Speaker 5: The Vietnam War went for twenty The Vietnam War went
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Speaker 5: for twenty years, Andrew the American invasion in Afghanistan went
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Speaker 5: for twenty years.
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Speaker 1: The Iran Iraq war went for eight years.
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Speaker 5: World War II went for six years. When we're going
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Speaker 5: to what five weeks?
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Speaker 1: What's he done in five weeks?
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Speaker 5: Has destroyed the Air Force, the Navy, the nuclear production facilities,
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Speaker 5: the missile production facilities. Of course he hasn't found one
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Speaker 5: of the big prisons of me. He hasn't found and
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Speaker 5: destroyed the enriched uranium yet, which is four hundred and
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Speaker 5: sixty kilograms. If you enriched uranium is the size of
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Speaker 5: a large box, right, so you know in a country
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Speaker 5: at that size, hasn't found that yet. He smashed the
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Speaker 5: leadership of Iran. I mean he's he's shown to the
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Speaker 5: Iranian neighbors that they are not your friend. So he's
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Speaker 5: united the Arab world against the Iran et cetera, cetera.
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Speaker 5: Long this goes on, there's more pain for Americans, Australians
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Speaker 5: and everyone else around the world because of higher energy prices,
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Speaker 5: which shows you why Australia should be so sufficient in oil.
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Speaker 5: By the way, By the way, but he's causing men's damage.
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Speaker 1: In men's damage, I want to skip to Yes, look
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Speaker 1: exactly correct, which was the whole aim. But I want
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Speaker 1: to get skipped too quickly while we've got time and
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Speaker 1: we're running out of it. The government last week canceled
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Speaker 1: the visa he gave to a visiting Islamic preacher from
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Speaker 1: Bangladesh after media reports that it was a Jew hater
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Speaker 1: who had actually said things.
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Speaker 6: Like this to be the sharp black bulak.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So the Jews got divine punishment from Hitler. But
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Speaker 1: it seems the government, even after knowing that, didn't check
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Speaker 1: on another visiting Bangladeshi speaker at the very same speaking
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Speaker 1: tour organized by the very same people, and too more
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Speaker 1: media reports on Sunday, Hello that this was another Jew
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Speaker 1: hater have listened a legal Conroy? How does this government
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Speaker 1: not four months after the Bondo mescre of Jews stop?
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Speaker 4: You know?
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Speaker 1: How does it lead in not one but two hate
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Speaker 1: preachers like that?
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Speaker 7: Well?
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Speaker 3: Look, if I was Tony Burke, I'd be calling in
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Speaker 3: the department and saying who the hell didn't do the checking,
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Speaker 3: who the hell signed their visas?
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Speaker 1: Who let them in?
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Speaker 3: Who recommended that they be given a visa? I mean,
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Speaker 3: I'm pleased to see they've acted quickly on the one,
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Speaker 3: but it is just I would be demanding heads rolling
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Speaker 3: if I was Tony Burke inside his department and Andrew Conrad.
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Speaker 1: How haven't heard him do that?
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Speaker 5: No, Andrew, How in the hell can we have confidence
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Speaker 5: that the three thousand visas given to people from Gaza
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Speaker 5: were properly investigated When two very high profile Jewish hating
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Speaker 5: Islamic hate preachers can get visas the same Home Affairs
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Speaker 5: department that couldn't uncover them despite it all being on
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Speaker 5: the internet. They've given three thousand visas to people from
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Speaker 5: an area where we don't have an embassy, we don't
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Speaker 5: have a consulate.
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Speaker 1: How can that be?
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Speaker 4: How can we be sure that they got that right.
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Speaker 1: So how is it that two newspapers uncover those two
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Speaker 1: hate preachers. But the department which is charged with looking
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Speaker 1: after these people, they would have let them all, oh
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Speaker 1: they were ready in the country. They would have led
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Speaker 1: them waltz through, giving speeches everywhere and let them believe
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Speaker 1: peacefully without those news paper saying hey, can you do
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Speaker 1: your job? I mean, I find that astonishing. Michael Kroger,
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Speaker 1: Stephen Conroy, thank you very much to you both. After
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Speaker 1: the break, how much trouble is the Iranian insulment's regime
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Speaker 1: in and why are relatives of that regime living in
21:15
Speaker 1: the US instead? Back to the war with Iran, Donald
21:23
Speaker 1: Trump threatening all hell by Wednesday morning, now our time.
21:27
Speaker 1: If Iran doesn't it take us through the straight up
21:30
Speaker 1: of wars. He changes deadline last night at the same
21:35
Speaker 1: time you get then these reports today of negotiations over
21:39
Speaker 1: possible cease far joining us the country stop foreign affairs
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Speaker 1: for RADI. Greg Sheridan of The Australian, Greg, great to
21:45
Speaker 1: see you again. What do you think we are going
21:48
Speaker 1: to get on Wednesday? Talk of peace or a lot
21:52
Speaker 1: of bombs exploding at once?
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Speaker 4: Well, Andrew, it's great to be with you, and I
21:57
Speaker 4: have to confess that, you know, this is one of
22:00
Speaker 4: the very few subjects on which I don't have a
22:02
Speaker 4: very firm and clear opinion. Seems to me there are
22:04
Speaker 4: three obvious outcomes for Trump. Either re escalates, or he
22:09
Speaker 4: goes home, or there's a deal. Now, you'd have to
22:14
Speaker 4: say that Trump doesn't always enforce deadlines, So one outcome
22:19
Speaker 4: that would be consistent with past behavior would be to say, look,
22:23
Speaker 4: we're on the brink of a deal after all, and
22:25
Speaker 4: I'm extending my deadline for five more days or something
22:28
Speaker 4: like that. Seems to me Trump is putting pressure on
22:31
Speaker 4: the Iranians as far as he can, hoping that the
22:33
Speaker 4: regime cracks, and perhaps it will.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that he wants to do.
22:38
Speaker 4: Everything that he threatened in that expletive ridden social media post.
22:46
Speaker 4: He doesn't any longer threaten to knock out their desalination plants.
22:50
Speaker 4: But if you knocked out all of their domestic electricity,
22:54
Speaker 4: you would be killing a lot of civilians. And I
22:57
Speaker 4: think you know that's not really the American way of war.
23:01
Speaker 4: They've always tried to avoid killing civilians.
23:04
Speaker 1: So it's pretty fluid.
23:07
Speaker 4: It's good to see these signs of internal disagreement in
23:11
Speaker 4: the Iranian regime, although typically the Iranian president is never
23:15
Speaker 4: a very influential person. I mean, I know, doubt how
23:18
Speaker 4: weird that sounds, but if you look back at their
23:20
Speaker 4: previous presidents. On the other hand, Trump has inflicted so
23:24
Speaker 4: much pain on them that the constituency for a deal
23:27
Speaker 4: must be growing even within Iran.
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Speaker 1: Well. The problem, of course with the presidency is that
23:33
Speaker 1: ultimate authority is with the clerics. They can veto anything
23:37
Speaker 1: that goes through Parliament if it doesn't conform with their
23:40
Speaker 1: interpretation of Islamic law. That's the way the constitution is
23:44
Speaker 1: set up. So you're right, but this might be one
23:48
Speaker 1: of those opportunities where they're trying to serve themselves. But
23:50
Speaker 1: in the on the other hand, the Revolutionary Guard Corps,
23:54
Speaker 1: it's got the guns. So anythink that's going to go
23:58
Speaker 1: Like I said, like you said, so there are these
24:00
Speaker 1: so signs of division. How do you see it working out?
24:05
Speaker 1: I would have thought, given Iran's history that whatever however
24:11
Speaker 1: it works out, there's going to be a lot of bodies.
24:15
Speaker 1: I think that's right.
24:16
Speaker 4: So they've killed thirty or forty thousand of their own
24:18
Speaker 4: citizens earlier, this year, they went through eight years of
24:24
Speaker 4: war with Iraq, in which at least a million people died,
24:29
Speaker 4: and they are driven by their hatred of Israel and
24:33
Speaker 4: their hatred of the US, and their Shea Islamist theocratic vision.
24:39
Speaker 4: Now it may be that Trump is slightly miscalculating them,
24:44
Speaker 4: because these might be the first people he's ever come
24:46
Speaker 4: up against who are not motivated by money or self
24:50
Speaker 4: interest or national interest. So Trump is trying to change
24:53
Speaker 4: the balance of interests. But these are theocratic fanatics, and
25:02
Speaker 4: also a huge number of Iranians live off the regime,
25:06
Speaker 4: and a huge number of Iranians have committed murder and
25:09
Speaker 4: violence in the name of the regime, so they are
25:13
Speaker 4: very motivated not to give up power. At the same time,
25:18
Speaker 4: I do think Trump does create trouble for himself in
25:21
Speaker 4: the way he frequently says contradictory things. I mean, last
25:25
Speaker 4: week in the Address of the American People, he said,
25:27
Speaker 4: we don't care about the Strait of Horn moves. It
25:29
Speaker 4: means nothing to us. We're going to leave it to
25:31
Speaker 4: others to fix up. And now he's saying, if you
25:34
Speaker 4: don't open the straight of Horror moves, we're going to
25:36
Speaker 4: bomb you to the stone Age. Now, honestly, I just
25:38
Speaker 4: don't know how anyone interprets what that all means. But
25:43
Speaker 4: be under no mistake, the world needs civilization, wants We
25:48
Speaker 4: will all be much better if the United States and
25:52
Speaker 4: Israel succeed in destroying this regime. Every civilized person should
25:58
Speaker 4: want that. But I think it's very fluid at the moment.
26:03
Speaker 1: Now you mentioned Strada for Moors, so this is the
26:06
Speaker 1: Iranian's big card, right, it runs big card cut off
26:09
Speaker 1: to Strata for Moors. Twenty percent of the seaborne trade
26:12
Speaker 1: in oil stopped, although a lot of that now you're
26:15
Speaker 1: forgetting about. I don't know how much. I think is
26:18
Speaker 1: about three to five million barrels a day. Of that
26:23
Speaker 1: twenty million going now to a pipeline across Saudi Arabia
26:28
Speaker 1: to the Red Sea being diverted. You're now getting Iran
26:31
Speaker 1: allowing a trickle of oil also to go through in
26:34
Speaker 1: tankers to Malaysia, which is very good for US because
26:37
Speaker 1: it's one of the countries whose refineries make Australian petrol
26:42
Speaker 1: and diesel. It's going to Malaysia, it's going to Pakistan,
26:45
Speaker 1: it's going to India, even Japan. What's happening there.
26:49
Speaker 4: Well, this is the way Iran wants to normalize, if
26:53
Speaker 4: you like, They're happy to make a deal that means
26:56
Speaker 4: they get to stay in control of the stradu born
26:58
Speaker 4: Mers and they would understand you can't cut the straight
27:01
Speaker 4: of hor Moves off forever. They wouldn't make any money themselves.
27:04
Speaker 4: But Iran itself isn't now making about twice as much
27:07
Speaker 4: money per day as it was making before this war
27:10
Speaker 4: started because America hasn't tried to interdict its oil because.
27:14
Speaker 1: The world is so short of oil.
27:16
Speaker 4: Russia, of course, is another big beneficiary, getting billions and
27:18
Speaker 4: billions of dollars more for its oil, and no one
27:21
Speaker 4: is getting boycott Russian oil now. So I think Iran
27:24
Speaker 4: would like to reopen the straight of holl Moves, starting
27:27
Speaker 4: with friendly countries and then charging a tariff on all
27:32
Speaker 4: the other countries. Now, if it's left with the ability
27:36
Speaker 4: to do that, it will have enough money to rebuild
27:38
Speaker 4: pretty quickly, and also it will have more strategic influence
27:42
Speaker 4: over the Middle East and the global economy than it.
27:45
Speaker 1: Ever had before.
27:46
Speaker 4: The other thing is, while that Saudi pipeline is operating,
27:51
Speaker 4: and that's great, that's terrific, we still don't know what
27:53
Speaker 4: the Hoodies are going to do. They fight a few
27:55
Speaker 4: missiles at Israel and then they stopped. But the Hoodies
27:58
Speaker 4: were effectively They've fort America to a standstill in the
28:01
Speaker 4: previous battle, and they were effectively able to massively disrupt
28:06
Speaker 4: the trade through the Red Sea and the Saudi Port
28:10
Speaker 4: as well within range of hurting missiles and drones. Now,
28:14
Speaker 4: I don't say that to say we're going to lose
28:16
Speaker 4: or anything, but honestly, this is intensely, intensely unpredictable. But
28:22
Speaker 4: I think the Iranians will want to make a deal
28:24
Speaker 4: so long as they stay in power and they control
28:27
Speaker 4: the straight of hor moves that would have been utterly
28:31
Speaker 4: unacceptable a few weeks ago. But I think Trump is
28:34
Speaker 4: also in a pretty weak position politically. The American people
28:38
Speaker 4: are against this war. He has really alienated the Allies
28:41
Speaker 4: and he's turned all their publics against them, whereas a
28:45
Speaker 4: previous American president like Bush would have had the support
28:49
Speaker 4: of Allied publics. You know, the Australian public support the
28:52
Speaker 4: Iraq war. They're against the Iran wars. So everybody's room
28:56
Speaker 4: for maneuver is quite limited here. You hope that the
28:59
Speaker 4: Arean regime cracks. The final happy thought I'll give you
29:03
Speaker 4: is it's very clear now that Russia and China are
29:05
Speaker 4: helping Iran. That is, of course a very material consequence,
29:10
Speaker 4: and it also it's a tremendous boost for the staying
29:12
Speaker 4: power and the morale of the Muller's regime.
29:16
Speaker 1: Well, of course, because I mean we've discussed before, you've
29:20
Speaker 1: really got to look at the big picture. This is
29:21
Speaker 1: more like World War three, one battlefront involving the alliance
29:25
Speaker 1: of China, Russia, Iran and North Korea. And you've got
29:30
Speaker 1: to see these is all inconnected. They're all helping each
29:33
Speaker 1: other defeat their so called enemies. Greg Sheridan, thank you
29:37
Speaker 1: so much for your time. Really appreciate that. I've got
29:41
Speaker 1: to give it a little aside on all this. You know,
29:46
Speaker 1: it's leaders, Iran's leaders, fundamentalists, you know, they call for
29:49
Speaker 1: the death to America. They call America the Great Satan.
29:53
Speaker 1: They arrest women who won't cover their hair. Yet the
29:57
Speaker 1: assassinated lead of the Revolutionary Guard, Core, the head of
30:00
Speaker 1: their foreign operations, cousin of Solomony, he had or still
30:06
Speaker 1: has if his looking on a niece and a grand niece,
30:11
Speaker 1: living like Hollywood princesses in the US for years and
30:16
Speaker 1: not covering up very much at all, and I don't
30:19
Speaker 1: just mean their hair, but now they're being thrown out
30:22
Speaker 1: of the US because the mother celebrated attacks against American soldiers,
30:25
Speaker 1: praised the run's new supreme leader, denounced the America as
30:28
Speaker 1: the Great Satan, and back the Revolutionary Guard Corps, which
30:31
Speaker 1: is in fact a designated terrorist outfit, including in Australia.
30:36
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, don't you get sick of those extremists
30:42
Speaker 1: imposing on women in Iran or their own women folk
30:46
Speaker 1: don't want when they go and visit the Great Satan
30:49
Speaker 1: the US. Honestly, after the break the Indies mess, even
30:55
Speaker 1: labor politicians are now calling it out. Labors starting to
31:03
Speaker 1: wonder where the money went, the Albanies, the government, where
31:07
Speaker 1: did it all go? And just attentions going to the
31:10
Speaker 1: National Disability Insurance Scheme because just the basic figures alone
31:14
Speaker 1: tell you it is being roughted sideways. It was meant
31:18
Speaker 1: to help be permanently and significantly disabled, but now seven
31:23
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand Australians are on it. That's one
31:26
Speaker 1: in thirty five. One in thirty five Australians claiming on
31:29
Speaker 1: I'm permanently and significantly disabled. Can you believe that? Really?
31:34
Speaker 1: And then there's the shunks of course serving them. Now
31:37
Speaker 1: this is now costing US fifty billion dollars a year
31:41
Speaker 1: and rising. The Oubanies government says we're on top of this.
31:43
Speaker 1: You know, it's now rising to just five to six
31:46
Speaker 1: percent a year that much. So it was interesting that
31:49
Speaker 1: even a labor senator, Michelle nander Raja now says, Look,
31:53
Speaker 1: if we're going to make savings by cutting things like
31:55
Speaker 1: a couple of gains tacks, you know, things that people want,
31:59
Speaker 1: then I don't want to see that wasted and unsustainable,
32:02
Speaker 1: poorly managed programs like the Indias. I think it's worthy
32:05
Speaker 1: that they are trying to cut it down to five
32:06
Speaker 1: to six percent, but that is not enough, not nearly enough.
32:10
Speaker 1: Joining me is the man who helped create the scheme
32:12
Speaker 1: and was Minister for it formulated Leader, Bill Shorten, now
32:15
Speaker 1: Vice Chancellor and President of the University of Canberra. Bill
32:18
Speaker 1: Shorton loved me to see you again look up for
32:20
Speaker 1: I did ask you, in fact come and talk about
32:23
Speaker 1: our universities, and I will come to that very quickly.
32:25
Speaker 1: But the India is how did it go? So wrong.
32:31
Speaker 7: Well, it's my old job. But to be clear, in
32:35
Speaker 7: the year before Labor got elected and I became the minister,
32:38
Speaker 7: it grew at twenty three percent per year. It was
32:40
Speaker 7: out of control. In the reforms which I put in place,
32:44
Speaker 7: we got the growth down to single digit. It's still
32:46
Speaker 7: got to go further. But one of the things which
32:49
Speaker 7: I did, i'd laid out a roadmap. I'm sure the
32:51
Speaker 7: current government's following it. We've got to create rain in
32:55
Speaker 7: the sum of the service providers that some of the
32:57
Speaker 7: mishanks and they're unregistered. So I'll be looking forward to
33:01
Speaker 7: seeing what's in the budget about giving greater tools to
33:04
Speaker 7: rain in the shocks. I mean, you can't just leave
33:08
Speaker 7: it to the market when you're handing out government money.
33:10
Speaker 7: There's got to be guidelines around it. But I will
33:12
Speaker 7: just defend the scheme. It's changing people's lives, but we've
33:16
Speaker 7: got to just make sure the money is getting through
33:18
Speaker 7: to the people for whom it was set up. The
33:20
Speaker 7: other thing, of course, is that there's been a lot
33:22
Speaker 7: of cost shifting onto the scheme where a lot of
33:24
Speaker 7: other agencies, the education system, the health system all says
33:28
Speaker 7: everything's inn ndis matter and when the NDIS is only
33:31
Speaker 7: lifeboat in the ocean. People will swim to it. So
33:34
Speaker 7: I think there's a whole lot of other things have
33:36
Speaker 7: got to change. But that's happening. And I know that
33:40
Speaker 7: there's sixty to seventy people now in jail because of
33:43
Speaker 7: the task force that I set up at the end
33:45
Speaker 7: of twenty twenty two. So listen, there's still where there's
33:49
Speaker 7: government money. Andrew, you know there's some people can't help
33:52
Speaker 7: themselves that's not just confined to the NDAs Medicare and
33:56
Speaker 7: the top end of town also don't mind a government
33:58
Speaker 7: hand out if they can squeak it in to their
34:00
Speaker 7: back pocket.
34:02
Speaker 1: That's absolutely true. The NDS is now a hot issue,
34:06
Speaker 1: of course, because the Governm's funding the money's running out,
34:10
Speaker 1: big deficits and also these handouts now for the to
34:14
Speaker 1: deal with the war in Iran. Pips are squeaking and
34:18
Speaker 1: you've now come up with an excuse for eight new
34:20
Speaker 1: tax I've got to look ask and SATCHI here'll Bill
34:24
Speaker 1: short and levy on business profits to go to what
34:27
Speaker 1: you call an education sovereign wealth fund. Why yet another tax?
34:31
Speaker 1: My question is, you know an educate the wealth fund
34:34
Speaker 1: is a good idea why.
34:35
Speaker 7: Not just fun in general case, Well, first of all,
34:41
Speaker 7: the Norwegians, no doubt, probably had this debate fifty years
34:45
Speaker 7: ago and there'd have been people running around like headless
34:47
Speaker 7: chooks and said we shouldn't have a Norwegian sovereign wealth Fund.
34:51
Speaker 7: And that's now meant that generations on corporate taxes.
34:55
Speaker 1: Lower in Norway.
34:57
Speaker 7: The real issue though, is that we've got a situation
34:59
Speaker 7: in Australia where for the last forty years we've been
35:02
Speaker 7: relying on our post school system to be funded by
35:05
Speaker 7: increasing student debt and by international students. Now we've got
35:09
Speaker 7: a big debate in Australia do we have too many
35:11
Speaker 7: international students? And then we've got this big debate where
35:15
Speaker 7: now on average any students are paying over fifty percent
35:19
Speaker 7: of their courses, so they're getting up into six figure debts.
35:23
Speaker 7: The question is if we're going to charge people based
35:26
Speaker 7: on the benefit they get from something. Business gets a
35:29
Speaker 7: benefit too from having educated graduates. When you go to
35:32
Speaker 7: a doctor, you mightn't have had to study medicine, but
35:35
Speaker 7: you're pretty glad that someone has. And that I just
35:38
Speaker 7: think that we can't keep telling our millennials and our
35:42
Speaker 7: gen z's too bad, so sad you've just got to
35:45
Speaker 7: pay for everything because the boomers wouldn't.
35:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it's a good idea to do
35:50
Speaker 1: it from general tax because you know, when they hypothecate
35:53
Speaker 1: things like this, sure, oh it's for students. You know,
35:56
Speaker 1: it's always for something fluffy and cute and escense. Let's
36:01
Speaker 1: hypothecate a fund for cleaning toilets or something like that.
36:04
Speaker 7: Right, if the debate, If the debate is that we
36:10
Speaker 7: can't just rely on sixty five billion dollars of student
36:13
Speaker 7: debt and we can't just rely on international students, I'm
36:16
Speaker 7: open as to what the solution should be. But you know,
36:20
Speaker 7: let's tell the truth. In this country, we need to
36:22
Speaker 7: be independent compared to the rest of the world. We
36:24
Speaker 7: need national sovereignty. The best thing that we've got going
36:28
Speaker 7: for us is the brains and capabilities of assies. And
36:31
Speaker 7: this goes for tape and higher ed And yet we're
36:34
Speaker 7: asking the next generation to do the heavy lifting because
36:37
Speaker 7: other people just want to privatize the profits and socialize
36:40
Speaker 7: the losses.
36:42
Speaker 1: Now, Bill Short and I'm hoping that I'm going to
36:44
Speaker 1: get a frank answer from you, because you are now
36:49
Speaker 1: pitching the University of Canberra is like a not quite
36:53
Speaker 1: a trade exaggerated tradees university, but one where tradees can go.
36:57
Speaker 1: You've got cheaper degrees, you've got shorter degrees for people
37:00
Speaker 1: that have already qualified for TAFE and all that. I
37:02
Speaker 1: think that's great. I think that's great. But then can
37:05
Speaker 1: I ask you you say, look, training all these people
37:07
Speaker 1: through university is good for business. I'm trying to see
37:10
Speaker 1: the link between that and a degree in whiteness studies
37:16
Speaker 1: or all these ridiculous Look at your naval degrees that
37:21
Speaker 1: you're seeing through universities at the moment. Do you think perhaps,
37:25
Speaker 1: you know, let's fund yours, but maybe some of those
37:28
Speaker 1: other courses might have to go by the wayside.
37:33
Speaker 7: Well, first of all, if people want to pay to
37:35
Speaker 7: study something, good luck to them. If you want to
37:37
Speaker 7: study kinesiology, if you know, no, I won't say canesiology.
37:41
Speaker 1: That's a good one.
37:42
Speaker 7: That's a good that's up to you. That's up to you.
37:45
Speaker 7: I don't mind what you spend your money on in
37:47
Speaker 7: the privacy of your own home. But what I'm talking
37:50
Speaker 7: about with the University of Canberra is training people for
37:52
Speaker 7: the jobs that Australia needs. We've got physios and nurses,
37:56
Speaker 7: he or occupational therapists. We've got archite texture, we've got
38:00
Speaker 7: industrial design, got accounting, you know, the teachers, And what
38:05
Speaker 7: we're saying to people is that if you're an adult,
38:08
Speaker 7: why not contemplate coming back to UNI. People choose not
38:11
Speaker 7: to go to UNY for all sorts of reasons. One
38:14
Speaker 7: is maybe they didn't get the marks when they are
38:16
Speaker 7: at school. Too is maybe they came from a family
38:18
Speaker 7: where they wasn't a long line of university graduates. It
38:21
Speaker 7: wasn't in that family sort of knowledge. There's people from
38:24
Speaker 7: the Bushoo don't feel they've got the connections in the city.
38:27
Speaker 7: And there's adults who it might nessuited them back in
38:30
Speaker 7: the day, but now they're ready to upgrade their skills.
38:33
Speaker 7: And I'm just making the point that education belongs to everyone,
38:36
Speaker 7: and people should have the ability to study and be
38:40
Speaker 7: encouraged to study. But of course it's got to be
38:43
Speaker 7: something which enhances their future prospects. And you know, I
38:47
Speaker 7: think some of the courses which gets some of your
38:49
Speaker 7: viewers up in arms are not that frequent across the
38:52
Speaker 7: university sector. I think most universities are trying to turn
38:55
Speaker 7: people out for the jobs of the future and so
38:58
Speaker 7: they have a better living and can tribute to the country.
39:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a number of other university has got
39:04
Speaker 1: more and I for the buck, which is why they
39:07
Speaker 1: so invested in foreign students to turn the back. But anyway,
39:11
Speaker 1: that's just the mean. I'm being cynical. I'm being cynical,
39:14
Speaker 1: but I will build.
39:17
Speaker 7: I've got to go bouncing ball before it goes We'll
39:21
Speaker 7: talk again. I want to phase into your optimism phase now.
39:27
Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm all on board for a trade university.
39:30
Speaker 1: You know, I'm really on board for that because we've
39:32
Speaker 1: discussed it before. But I just think some of the
39:35
Speaker 1: more esoteric I wonder why am I paying for it?
39:39
Speaker 1: But Bill Shorten, thank you and all the best for you,
39:42
Speaker 1: you and your endeavors. Now coming up after the break
39:47
Speaker 1: the panel and how the council culture worked on a
39:50
Speaker 1: celebrity chef. I often wonder, as to you, I'm sure
40:00
Speaker 1: why more people don't speak up. I mean, so few
40:03
Speaker 1: dare these days, which I'm sure is one reason why
40:07
Speaker 1: one nation is going game busters. In fact, I read
40:10
Speaker 1: the saddest thing on the weekend in the nine newspapers,
40:15
Speaker 1: but it was presented by them as a good thing.
40:18
Speaker 1: It was a profile of celebrity chef Shane Dehlia, son
40:22
Speaker 1: of a son of Maltese parents, but a man who
40:25
Speaker 1: has celebrated Australia Day. Has said his father came here
40:29
Speaker 1: to assimilate, not to be a Maltese, just living in
40:32
Speaker 1: Australia where you built great country. But that was then.
40:36
Speaker 1: Let me now read from this profile. Delia says a
40:40
Speaker 1: moment came when he realized he would not put his
40:44
Speaker 1: family at risk, and it's more conscious now of doing
40:50
Speaker 1: things the right way. He also said he was more
40:53
Speaker 1: scared after he posted online about his love for Australia
40:59
Speaker 1: Day and lamented the murder of US conservative Christian Charlie Kirk,
41:08
Speaker 1: you know the guy assassinated. Delia thought that murdering this
41:13
Speaker 1: Chinese conservative preacher was wrong. Hospitality progressives rubbished him online,
41:20
Speaker 1: rubbished him online and reposited that Maha turned Maga. That's
41:27
Speaker 1: his restaurant, Maha turned Maga, And Delia says, but it
41:31
Speaker 1: was probably more extreme in certain ways and certain views.
41:36
Speaker 1: Sorry than I should have been, he says. Carefully. He
41:42
Speaker 1: says carefully as being or careful. Oh god, I did
41:46
Speaker 1: support Australia day. I think I might have got away
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Speaker 1: with it. And now the reporter says he is older,
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Speaker 1: wiser and karma, throwing himself into a reset of his business, older,
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Speaker 1: wiser and car and just praise Australia again, joining me
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Speaker 1: Lisa Goddard, former foreign correspondent, founder of the DNI Media
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Speaker 1: and Scarne, you're so sadneaking to Georgia. Honestly, I just think, Lisa,
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Speaker 1: that that is so sad. He gets smashed by lift
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Speaker 1: wing people progressives, according to the Age newspaper, lifting people
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Speaker 1: in the restaurant business for liking our flag, hating the
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Speaker 1: murder of a conservative. Now he says it's scared, he's
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Speaker 1: going to pull his head in and he's praised by
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Speaker 1: the paper for being wiser. Your reaction, well, Andrew.
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Speaker 8: He was also asked what does it mean? What does
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Speaker 8: Australia mean to you? And he said that's a loaded question.
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Speaker 8: Now what type of country are we living in today
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Speaker 8: where you can be asked what does Australia mean to you?
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Speaker 8: And you are too frightened to say, It's a country
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Speaker 8: that I love, it's a country that I'm proud of.
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Speaker 8: It's a flag that I'm proud to fly because that's
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Speaker 8: the position he's he's been put into. Basically, it's the
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Speaker 8: Left playbook. You know, we don't want to hear what
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Speaker 8: you have to say. We don't want you to be patriotic.
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Speaker 1: So what are we going to do.
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Speaker 8: We will bully you, we will intimidate you, and ultimately
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Speaker 8: we will silence you, and if that doesn't work, we
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Speaker 8: will outright cancel you. That's the world we're living in.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think they go to the restaurant reviews section
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Speaker 1: give in one star, not for the food, but for
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Speaker 1: the opinions that expresses somewhere else Thanika. What do you
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Speaker 1: make of it?
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Speaker 9: Well, just on that point, what does Australia mean to you?
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Speaker 9: For a man whose parents were from Malta, wouldn't you say, well,
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Speaker 9: you know what it means a great deal from me,
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Speaker 9: given that my heritage is from Malta, that my relatives
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Speaker 9: came here to this great country for a better life,
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Speaker 9: and that we're so lucky to live in Australia than
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Speaker 9: what we would be if the family was still living
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Speaker 9: in Malta or anywhere in Europe. I mean, we really
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Speaker 9: are the lucky country. And if you can't answer a
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Speaker 9: very basic question, then the question has to be asked,
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Speaker 9: what on earth are you doing here? I am so
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Speaker 9: disappointed Andrew that he backed down.
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Speaker 7: And this is what the left do.
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Speaker 9: They claim that they are the most tolerant of them all,
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Speaker 9: when really they are the worst. And they will crucify
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Speaker 9: you when they disagree with you. They don't want a
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Speaker 9: debate with you, they don't want discussion. When they disagree,
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Speaker 9: you get canceled. And if the last two and a
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Speaker 9: half years in this country have taught us anything it's
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Speaker 9: that we need to be having these conversations because look
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Speaker 9: at what is going on in our own backyard.
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Speaker 7: And it's not.
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Speaker 9: Racist to have those conversations that he seems to be
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Speaker 9: shying away from, or to hold these views that are
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Speaker 9: called extreme. I'm not sure what talking about the awful
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Speaker 9: murder of Charlie Kirk has to do with being extreme,
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Speaker 9: but this is another example of why we cannot back down.
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Speaker 9: And no wonder, no wonder, one nation's ahead, no wonder
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Speaker 9: true true.
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Speaker 1: I just saw people criticizing the flagshuld have made that
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Speaker 1: multice cross not scared but anyway, Lisa, sorry about that. Lisa,
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Speaker 1: South Australia just had its election for the version of
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Speaker 1: the Voice Aboriginal Only Advisory Parliament, just ten percent of
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Speaker 1: Abriginal adults voted for it ten percent. Two people were
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Speaker 1: elected with just fifteen primary votes, and six women were
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Speaker 1: elected with no votes at all. Because have they've got
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Speaker 1: to have affirmative actions, so three represented from each region.
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Speaker 1: They've got to be women. No other women put up
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Speaker 1: their hand, so they've got it with not a single vote.
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Speaker 1: What does that tell you?
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Speaker 8: It tells you you need more votes to become a
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Speaker 8: school captain in this country than you do to be
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Speaker 8: actually on this voice. It is ridiculous, Andrew. And what
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Speaker 8: it says if you look at this for a very
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Speaker 8: simplistic view, is that if you have fewer than ten
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Speaker 8: percent of the Indigenous population, which is about thirty thousand
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Speaker 8: people in South Australia who actually bothered to vote, how
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Speaker 8: much support do they actually have for this voice? And
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Speaker 8: can you even call it a voice? It's what an
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Speaker 8: echo chamber with some people who are elected by a
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Speaker 8: very small number of people to do what it's been
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Speaker 8: there since twenty twenty three. There are still some serious
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Speaker 8: questions about what it's actually been doing. Obviously, one nation
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Speaker 8: and the liberals when it repealed. I think it should be.
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Speaker 8: But the point is it's costing one point five million
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Speaker 8: dollars were estimated to Surely that money is the same
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Speaker 8: old argument. Surely that money would be far better spent
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Speaker 8: directly on the communities than into this voice that's having
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Speaker 8: very little input.
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Speaker 1: Well it makes me wondered, Danika, who wanted this voice?
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Speaker 1: If only ten percent of people vote for it? And
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Speaker 1: where the election can be rigged by one family, one
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Speaker 1: big family or a little you know, a car load
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Speaker 1: of activists could arrange just the fifteen votes and get
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Speaker 1: you on.
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Speaker 7: Well, isn't it incredible?
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Speaker 9: I don't know what the point of democracy is. But
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Speaker 9: you know the fascinating thing is when they did that
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Speaker 9: part that voice in twenty twenty four and they got
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Speaker 9: ten percent of the vote, Andrew the South Australian Labor
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Speaker 9: government said it was a successful turnout. I'm not sure
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Speaker 9: what's successful about ten percent. I don't know what their
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Speaker 9: threshold is. But now you've got fifteen percent of the
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Speaker 9: primary vote plus women because of some sort of deipolicy,
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Speaker 9: and this is I actually think this is quite dangerous.
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Speaker 7: I mean, where is it going to lead?
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Speaker 9: We've got states forging ahead with the voice like this
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Speaker 9: that they're freelancing. Look what's just happened in Victoria with
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Speaker 9: the treaty legislator legislation. Now everything, every law has to
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Speaker 9: be looked at under treaty, and you can see.
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Speaker 7: Where it's going.
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Speaker 9: They are making up the rules even though sixty percent
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Speaker 9: of us said no to being divided by the color
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Speaker 9: of our skin. I actually think that this sets a
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Speaker 9: very dangerous precedent and one which could be replicated across
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Speaker 9: the country.
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Speaker 1: It's just look, ninety percent of average is clearly don't
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Speaker 1: value it enough, and so it becomes a plaything for
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Speaker 1: activists white and black, and it's a curse. It's it's
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Speaker 1: a cancer and democracy. Lisa, how did you spend Easter?
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Speaker 1: Because I felt I couldn't really go for a long
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Speaker 1: driver feeling guilty.
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Speaker 8: Now what did you do, oh Andrew, I think you're
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Speaker 8: trying to shame us. Look, I jumped on a plane.
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Speaker 8: I did the very bad thing. There were tickets that
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Speaker 8: were bought well before the fuel crisis.
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Speaker 7: I have to say, but no.
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Speaker 8: Look, my husband is a tragic AFL fan, and we
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Speaker 8: were at the Good Friday game and like his team
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Speaker 8: won for the first time in eight years, so it
47:46
Speaker 8: was a very good Friday for him. But look, I'd
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Speaker 8: hate to be thinking about having been on the road
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Speaker 8: because I looked at what happened on the Bruce Highway
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Speaker 8: in Queensland that tripped to the Sunshine Coast. There was
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Speaker 8: still gridlock on that highway. So for all of the
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Speaker 8: warnings from the Prime so people still hit the road.
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Speaker 8: They still went to their destination. And yes, it would
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Speaker 8: have cost them a hell of a lot more because
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Speaker 8: of what's happening in our poor planning when it comes
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Speaker 8: to fuel supplying this country. But they were still out there,
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Speaker 8: and from what I'm told, domestic affairs or domestic travel
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Speaker 8: around this country was still pretty much on track with
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Speaker 8: what it was last year.
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Speaker 1: Deanika, you got thirty seconds to confess to petrol guilt.
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Speaker 9: Oh well, I'm going to outdo both of you. I
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Speaker 9: flew to Perth, so I flew the longest at of it.
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Speaker 9: So I went five hours there for over forty five
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Speaker 9: hours over the weekend. So I'm so sorry, Anthony, al
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Speaker 9: but easy, I've done the dirty on this labor government
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Speaker 9: this weekend.
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Speaker 1: Look, if there's no ap guests lest for me come
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Speaker 1: August I know who to blame. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 1: She Lisa got out in Denikon, Georgia. Thank you very
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Speaker 1: much to you both. Up next to Sherry, hosts the boat,
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Speaker 1: Carol and Marcus. What a treat,