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The GIANTS with an EPIC collapse vs. the Broncos: What went wrong? · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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They're going to have a ton of money to spend.
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Why not? Pulling in one of the top three
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offensive players in the league we're going to be.
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Looking at Aaron Judge and saying that he can't win the big
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game, Michael Jordan said. I played 82 games.
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You don't see LeBron doing that. A.
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Game where you got to go? Before I told you giant feet and
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Saquon Barkley. This.
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I've been twirling in this chair all freaking time.
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I, I, I will say this a lot to get into with football.
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It's been a crazy, crazy weekend for New York sports, especially
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Aaron Judge is the new American League NVPI think people forget
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about that. I think that was the thing that
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just launched for all the people out there that were not thinking
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that it was going to be him. It's not rally.
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It is the one and only Aaron Judd that is going to win the
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American League MVP. But I, I will say this and I I
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know a lot of people sitting here today are probably
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wondering my thoughts or all of our thoughts on what happened to
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the New York Giants in their debacle.
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There's a lot, a lot to get into with the New York Giants and
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their organization. And the reason why is, ladies
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and gentlemen, is I just got I just finished watching the
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Saquon Barkley documentary. And if you're a giant fan and
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watch that, it would piss you off.
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I don't care who you are. And I know everybody keeps
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saying it won't be announced. He it is, it's it's what has
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been said. It hasn't been announced.
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Fish. I know it's not been announced,
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but it's pretty much in the bag for Aaron Judge.
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I read a bunch of things that he's getting all the 1st place
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votes. It will be announced in no
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November 13th. Aaron Judge is going to win the
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MVP. I'm telling you right now, you
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could book it. I've read a bunch of stories.
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He's winning it. So you could say it's going to
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be announced November 13th. I read a bunch of things over
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the last past couple 48 hours, 72 hours that Aaron Judge is
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winning the 1st place votes, which tells me he's going to win
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the MVP. So it's not going to be rally,
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it's going to be Aaron Judge. And you will hear the
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announcement November 13th. It will be Aaron Judge and it's
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going to be a landslide, all right?
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It's a. It'll be interesting to see, but
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the the difference between the MVPS because there's multiple
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MVPS technically that they vote on, but obviously the the riders
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one is the one that counts when they have that.
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But it'll be interesting to see like some of the the minor, I
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guess publications or whatever for MVP to see because there's
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Cal Raleigh's got one already from like I can't even remember
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what it was. But it'll be interesting to see
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if he if he gets any first place votes on like on the big MVP
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ones. What I'm what I'm hearing is
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Aaron Judge is winning on a landslide.
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A lot of different writers have written stories over the past 24
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to 48 hours and they're saying that Aaron Judge is running away
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with it right now. So we'll see.
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We'll see what happens. I'm pretty sure about this.
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You can book it, you can send it in.
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He's going to win the American League MVP.
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I'm positive on that. And you would remember I said
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this when November 13th comes around and they say Aaron Judge
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wins on a landslide, the MVP. But I watched, I finished
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watching the Saquon Barkley story and the documentary and I
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was shocked on what I watched today.
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I, I, I'm really, really shocked because if anybody has watched
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this documentary, you would understand what the Giants did
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to this guy. This guy wanted to be a New York
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Giant. He wanted to stay a New York
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Giant. As a matter of fact, he told
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Mara that he would take 11 and a half million dollars if they
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offered him the guaranteed money right off the bat, that he would
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stay with the Giants for 11 and a half million dollars.
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He said it on the documentary and Mara was not going to obey.
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He wasn't going to agree by it and either did Joe Shane.
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Joe Shane was sitting there. He talked to Joe Shane three
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times on that documentary and Joe said Joe Shane told him,
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Mara's not trading you, Mara's not trading you.
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So you're going to either have to play out, you're going to
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have to play out your contract or play out the franchise tag
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and and deal with it or don't play sit out.
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Pretty much what he was telling them.
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And so bad, it was so bad that Saquon Barkley fired his agent,
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his old agent, which he's been, he's been with really since
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college, since Penn State. And then he hired a new agent
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because he didn't like how his old agent was working the phones
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with the New York Giants, didn't like how she was really
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negotiating his contract. And and you could see how
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frustrated Saquon Barkley was. And as much as he didn't want to
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be an Eagle, he was happy the Eagles gave him that extension.
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He was happy that he was going to be an Eagle because the
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Eagles offered him $25 million guaranteed, which the Giants
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would not. And all Joe Shane kept saying in
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the documentary is it to Saquon is, well, we got to fill in
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certain spots. We got to fill in certain roster
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spots. Saquon, we, we respect you.
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We love what you do. You're a big part of this
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franchise. You're the face of this
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franchise, but we can't pay you. Do you think he was was was he
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getting an earful like Joe Shane from somebody or what do you
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think? I don't think so.
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I think Joe Shane was making the decisions and he was speaking to
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Mara marijuana this being thing done.
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But Joe Shane was saying well, we need to fill in this spot.
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We need to fill in that spot where we care.
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We're weak there. And Saquon was the face of the
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organization. As a matter of fact, there were
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tons of analysts on the documentary that said, who does
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everybody line up for to get their autograph?
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Nobody was lining up for Dexter Lawrence.
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Nobody was lining up for Daniel Jones.
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Nobody was lining up again for any of their stars, even Burns
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when he got there. Nobody was lining up for.
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They were lining up for Saquon Barkley.
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And Saquon was the superstar. He was the face of the
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organization and they decided in such a unique way, and I'm
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trying to make excuses, make excuses for this, this player
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that has been the face of the organization for five years.
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And and what's so interesting about Saquon Barkley is the
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documentary. Why he made this documentary was
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really to follow through on his career.
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And he started this in 2019 before he was drafted by the New
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York Giants. When his final years at final
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year at Penn State and he got so much video, you got a chance to
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get to know his family. His sisters weren't on it.
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I know he's one out of seven kids.
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I think he has six sisters and he's one.
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He's only there's only one brother, but.
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I I will say this. So how so?
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How long was the the documentary's been Don't like
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has been? Documentary's gone.
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It was a 2 hour. Documentary was an hour and. 45
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but it started in 2019. 2019 Now he's got video of when he was a
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kid and you see a lot of things and they they talk about his
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parents were in the documentary. You got to get to know a little
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bit about his father, that his father was in jail and that his
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mother kind of saved his father's life and moved, they
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moved away, His mother got away. And when his father was doing
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drugs, his mother was doing 2, working 2 jobs, three jobs to
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keep food on the table. And that they were talking about
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they, they were living in one room with heaters and, and they
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were, they weren't living on the streets, but they were
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practically living on the streets.
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Streets it's. It's a crazy.
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Story and and you look at Saquon Barkley now and just how great
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of a man he is and you see the growth of his children in the
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documentary. It's fantastic.
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It's a really, really good documentary by prime.
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I give a shout out to prime prime sports for putting out a
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documentary like that. It was sensational.
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It really was. And if you're a Saquon Barkley
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fan, it's a must watch. It's a must watch documentary.
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And I, I respect Saquon Barkley even more because if you're a
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giant fan and I, I hate the giant fans on what they said
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because they were interviewing when he played the Giants in the
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first game back at MetLife and they were asking fans and the
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fans were like, well, he went to the bad team.
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He went to the team in the same division, a team that we can't
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stand all this other like, listen, the Giants didn't give
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her you the contract. The Giants decided to part ways
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with you. Yes, Mara let you go.
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He didn't franchise you a second time.
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So he let you go to free agency. But I don't think John Mara
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thought that anybody was going to give him an extension the way
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he got it from the Eagles and the fact that the Eagles.
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Do you think, do you think the fans will have a different like
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do you think the documentary is that good where they did a good
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enough job with it? Now the one saying that will
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look back and be like oh man, like now I sound like an idiot
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because they really didn't do anything.
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You would hope so. You would hope so.
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I I feel bad for Saquon because he so badly wanted to be a
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giant. He wanted to retire as a giant.
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He said it to Mara 3 times on the documentary.
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He said it to Joe Shane three times on the documentary.
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He said it to his agent and two agents three times each on the
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documentary. He talked to his friends, his
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wife, you, you. See the video.
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There's so much footage, how much he wanted to be a New York
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Giant and the Giants just didn't respect him enough.
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They didn't really buy into the Saquon Barkley.
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Situation and I, I feel bad for him because when he played the
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New York Giants at MetLife Stadium, he had so much passion
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to just jam it right down their throats at MetLife.
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And it wasn't he wasn't jamming in the fans face.
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He was jamming at the players faces when he was on the goal
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line and he put it in, he jammed it in there and he was telling
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him that you you have nothing on me, you have nothing on me.
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You're like little boys. You're like little boys.
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That's all he kept saying in the documentary and it just shows
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you how much passion this man has and why the giants should
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have never let go of this guy. It it to me, it was, it was just
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so it was a must watch. And it's so very well put
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together. And, and Saquon is one of those
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guys that he recorded everything.
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And he also reached out to Franklin when this was going on,
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when the Giants inside him, he reached out to Penn State's
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Franklin who just got fired. And he asked him, what should I
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do? What where do I go?
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And he says, Saquon, you don't sit out.
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You go and play, show them what you're made of.
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That's who you are. That's the type of player you
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are. And he says, absolutely, Saquon
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Barkley did not sit out in the offseason.
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He went to, he went to all the OTAs and everything.
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It shows you the kind. Of that doesn't happen a lot,
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dudes like that don't, don't you?
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I mean, they might show up for OTAs but they don't participate.
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Nope. And it, it just shows you the
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type of person Saquon Barkley is, the type of fan he is to the
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New York Giants. Remember, he's from New York.
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He wanted to stay in New York, even though he, his family lives
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in Pennsylvania and he's now closer to his parents because
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they live in Pennsylvania. His sisters live in
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Pennsylvania. He wanted to stay in New York.
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He was from New York, the Bronx. So he, he spoke very highly of
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the New York fans and everything like that.
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And he was upset, He really was upset when the Giants decided to
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part ways with him. But he he's, he's really happy
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on his new endeavors over there with the the Philadelphia
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Eagles, winning the Super Bowl, getting a chance to see what he
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did that that unbelievable season, his first year with the
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Eagles should have broken Eric Dickerson's record.
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And by the way, he even said it, if he played in that final game
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against the Giants, he breaks that Eric Dickerson record and
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probably wins the MVP that year, probably wins the MVP that year
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if he breaks that record. And he said, you know, I for the
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team and for the organization, I wasn't all about my own
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endeavors and my own winnings and MV PS I was about winning
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championships. That's what I want to do.
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I want to win championships and that's all I care about.
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It's not about my MVP awards. And even the game, some of the
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games that he played when the coach was going over there to
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him and saying, well, you can do all you can break this record.
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You can break that. He says, listen, let the other
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guys eat. Let the other guys eat.
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It just shows you the type of person Saquon Barkley is.
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And I, I was just enamored how great of a person this man is.
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And I'm telling you, Giant fans, Eagle fans, any fan that wants
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to check out this documentary, it is a home run documentary by
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prime. Loved it.
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Congratulations to Saquon Barkley.
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It was a sensational, sensational documentary.
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It's been a crazy, crazy weekend for me.
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I, I, I'm trying to give you all the energy I possibly can, but
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Giant fans, I don't know how much energy you're going to get
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from this month. In one of the most absolutely
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worst fourth quarter collapses in NFL history, the New York
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Giants lost to the Denver Broncos 33 to 32.
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The Giants had a 99.8% win probability when they were
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leading the game 26 to 8 with under 6 minutes to go.
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In the fourth quarter and it's worth worst.
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Play as a professional. Jackson Dart followed a Bow
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Knicks touchdown with a horrible interception with under 5
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minutes to go, setting up the Broncos in the red zone.
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Knicks had two passing touchdowns and two rushing
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touchdowns in the fourth quarter in a historic comeback win.
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Dart redeemed himself late in the game on a touchdown drive
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with the Giants down with under a minute to go.
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But the Giants backup kicker replacing Graham Gano, they
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missed his second extra point, putting the Giants up only two.
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Then the hero of the day for the Broncos was Giants defensive
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coordinator Shane Bowen who played a version of prevent
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coverage dropping 8 back and only rushing 3 in the eventual
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game-winning drive with only Brian Burns of the starting
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defensive line group on the field to start the drive.
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NFL sack leader Brian Burns and All Pro defensive tackle Dexter
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Lawrence played placed blame at Bowens feet when Burns was
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caught yelling at him on the field.
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And with Lawrence telling reporters to ask the coaches
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what went wrong in the fourth, Brian Dabal said he does not
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plan on making any changes to the coaching staff after the
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loss. The Broncos became one of just
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four teams in NFL history to score 30 or more points in the
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fourth quarter after being shut out for the rest of the game.
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Well, tried fans, there's a lot to eat on this one.
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A lot. And if you're a Turkey eater and
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Thanksgiving's around the corner, you're going to have to
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eat a lot of Turkey and a lot of sleeping after this game.
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Honestly, this should have fired Brian Dabel.
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This should fire Brian Dabel. You're up 19 to nothing going
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into the fourth quarter, 19 to nothing going into the fourth
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quarter. There is no reason why you gave
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up a 19 nothing lead against a Bronco team that's had problems
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scoring for the last three weeks.
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They couldn't score against The Jets.
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How does Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence and this front 7, who's
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one of the top 7 front sevens in football, give up 30 points in
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the fourth quarter to a team that can't score?
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Jackson Dart? Everybody wants to blame Jackson
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Dart for that interception. He's a rookie.
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He's going to make mistakes. Rookies make mistakes.
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You cannot expect this kid to make every single throw and do
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it so perfectly in his first season, which by the way, he
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didn't even start. Russell Wilson did.
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It's the defense that choked in this game.
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It was this front 7, which has been fantastic.
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And by the way, what the hell is Thibodeau doing in the fourth
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quarter? Where the hell?
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He's a deer in the headlights. The guy has no idea how to play
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defense. This guy standing there and
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standing there and sitting there on the sidelines trying to make
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excuses after that complete debacle in the red zone.
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How do you play a game like that and expect to go out there after
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the game and speak to the press and point your fingers at the
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coaching staff? How about you're the ones making
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the money. You're the one out there.
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Dexter Lords, you're making big money, Birds, you're making big
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money. You're front 7 tempo.
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You're expect to make a lot of money at the at the end of this
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season, and you go up in the fourth quarter and lay up a
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lousy goose egg when you could be 3 and four and a borderline
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playoff team right now and everybody wants to point their
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fingers at Bowen. Is Bowen a good defensive
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coordinator? I never thought Bowen was a good
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defensive coordinator. Where did he come from?
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The Tennessee Titans? Come on, guys.
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But but before he got this job before.
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Bowen's got this job. Did anybody really know who he
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was? Honestly, he's not Todd Bowles,
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he's not Robert Sala, he's not one of those.
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He's not guys like Aaron Glenn. These guys, this guy, just be
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honest. This guy on Tennessee, they,
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they had a good defense last year.
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He is not one of those world renowned defensive coordinators
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and to sit here and point your fingers at him, listen, the
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players got to play. You got to go out there and make
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plays. That's why you're out there.
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And there's no excuse for any of the players on the football
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field. And by the way, the offense that
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went dry, Yeah, the Cam scatter boos.
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Everybody loves Cami. They love the way he plays.
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They love how he runs his head into people's guts.
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What did Cam do in the fourth quarter when you needed him?
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Nothing. I want to hear it, Fish.
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You want to tell me he caught the ball?
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He run the ball. Scataboo, to me, needed to play
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better in the fourth quarter. If you want to be considered an
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elite running back, you want to go dancing around and doing your
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stupid, stupid, crazy, stupid dances in the you know, when
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you're getting to the end zone, your back flips and I don't care
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if fish, you can make all the excuses you want.
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The offense wasn't the problem. Yeah, it was because when the
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going got tough, they couldn't run the ball when they needed
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to. The offensive line sucks.
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The only guy on that offensive line that's worth a damn, worth
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a poo, and I'm not going to say the real word I want to use is
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Thomas. That's the only one.
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That offensive line is crap. It's crap.
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You're not going to sell me on that.
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And and then again, there's a lot to, there's a lot of blame
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to go upon this. Loss.
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Everybody wants to blame the the quarterback, the coach.
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This team is just it's very that game was very jet like.
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That is, that to me is the biggest jokes.
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But you keep pressing the button over here, you you see what
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you're doing over here, Look at the bottom.
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The fact here is the New York Giants are in a bad position
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now. And Dabel, who looked like was
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going to keep his job in the offseason because if he pulled
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off this win against this Broncos.
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This is not a good Broncos defense.
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I, I mean, I'm, I'm not. This is a good Broncos defense.
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This is not a great Broncos team.
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It's not we thought that this was going to be an all world
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offense this year. Bonex his second year with this
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offense. I I know and I said it, they
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don't have a secondary wide receiver and it's been a big
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problem. They used Mims a lot in the
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fourth quarter. Mims was being used a lot in the
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fourth quarter. I, I don't know if this Bronco
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team is going to win any championship if they don't add
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some offensive help. And Bonex, he's having a
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sophomore year that we have said sophomore years are not very
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good for these young quarterbacks.
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And he's not even young. He's a, he's really a veteran
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because he came into the league later in his career.
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He's 24 years old when he was a rookie, almost 25.
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He's what, 26 this year, 26 just this year?
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I mean, Donald, Sam Donald's been in the league for how many
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years? Eight years.
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Yeah, this is right for him. He's 28.
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Bo Nicks is only been in the league for two years.
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Sam Donald has been in the league for 8 and he's what, 2
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years, a year and a half older than Bo Nicks?
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I'm, I'm just my thought here is the Broncos defense is
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sensational. It's the best defense in the
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league. We knew this.
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We knew this going into this game.
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We knew this going into the season.
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This is a great defense, but if they can't put points on the
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board, they're not beating. Teams like the Eagles, they're
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not beating Kansas City in the playoffs.
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They're not beating Buffalo and, and, and, and even if Baltimore
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sneaks in or even the Bengals sneak in, I don't think
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Pittsburgh's any good. And I, I think Pittsburgh's
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going to come down to their game because as much as Aaron Rodgers
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looks half decent this year, this is not what we expected, at
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least what I expected this Pittsburgh team to be.
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I thought this was going to be an all world defense and a
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decent, decent offense. This has been a better offense
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and not a very good defense this year in Pittsburgh.
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So. Yeah, I'm just speaking my my
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thoughts here. The Giants had a chance on
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Sunday to go 3 and 4, be on a win a streak.
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They beat the Eagles. They beat the Broncos
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back-to-back games after losing to the Saints and had a chance.
24:53
To make a run for the playoffs. They're not making the playoffs
24:56
now. They don't stand a chance.
24:59
Not a chance. Because now they're 2:00 and
25:02
5:00 instead of three and four. And even if the Commanders look
25:06
bad, which I've said, Jaden Daniels is again hurt and the
25:10
Commanders A sophomore year, again, Caleb Williams looks
25:13
better in his sophomore year instead of his rookie year.
25:15
But that's just why I told you Caleb Williams is special
25:17
because he still had a good freshman year and now his
25:20
sophomore year is even better because he actually has a a
25:22
competent coach. Dabel is on the hot seat, deeply
25:30
on the hot seat now. And honestly, if, if they lose
25:33
another game like this or if they have a lead going to the
25:36
fourth quarter and lose the lead in the fourth quarter, Dabel's
25:39
going to get fired. There's no way John Mayra is
25:42
going to keep this guy as a head coach after this debacle of a
25:46
loss. This is this is as bad as, and I
25:49
know this isn't the Super Bowl. This is as bad as the Atlanta
25:52
Falcons and the Newark Patriots. This is bad.
25:57
It's the same game. It really is.
26:00
Think about it. The Giants were up.
26:02
What? What was the score 26 to?
26:04
What was it? 26 to 8 What was the Patriots?
26:07
Well, I mean, what was Atlanta's lead in the fourth quarter?
26:10
28 to 9. 28 to 9, it's practically the same game.
26:14
It happened practically the same way.
26:18
And and I'm going to tell you this, the Patriots had Tom
26:22
Brady, the Broncos have Bo Nicks.
26:26
Bo Nicks who barely threw 300 yards in a game all season, and
26:33
he was a world beater in the fourth quarter to a New York
26:36
Giants defense that has the best pass rusher in the league right
26:41
now. Dexter Lawrence, who's probably
26:43
one of the top three interior players in all the football
26:47
tempered all who expects to get paid one of the best young pass
26:50
rushers in the league. How do you give up 30 points to
26:54
this Broncos team? It's embarrassing.
26:58
They have one guy, one good offensive player on this whole
27:02
offense. And by the way, how could you
27:05
not stop this running game, the Broncos running game?
27:09
Yeah, they have JK Dobbins. That's great.
27:11
And he's been very good. JK Dobbins.
27:14
He plays this game that you puts himself out there where he's
27:17
probably going to go down. Harvey's the other guy.
27:20
They're young rookie. This, this running game in the
27:23
fourth quarter, they dominated. A line of scrimmage dominated.
27:29
It was embarrassing. Giant fans.
27:32
I don't want to hear any. Excuses.
27:33
There's no excuse to this. And I got a lot to say it to the
27:36
New York Jets. Don't you worry.
27:38
I got a lot to say for my Jet fans, you idiot Jet fans.
27:43
And I don't want to hear from all the other podcasts out there
27:46
saying and want to blame Aaron Glenn and say Aaron Glenn needs
27:49
to go. And by the way, I listen to the
27:50
Herd take and I got something to say to the Herd too.
27:55
This is embarrassing. And it's not about the coaching.
27:58
It's the players. You got to go out there and make
28:01
plays. You're making tons of money.
28:04
You got to go out there. It's not the play calling.
28:06
Stop with the 8 prevent. The Jets have played that year
28:09
for year in and year out and they win games.
28:12
I'm not saying The Jets are any better than the Giants because
28:15
they're hot, but The Jets put up a little bit more of a challenge
28:19
in the fourth quarter against the Broncos than the New York
28:23
freaking Giants, who had something to play for.
28:25
The Jets are, oh, and freaking 7.
28:28
They're the worst team in the NFL to the Giants that had a
28:31
chance to be second place, tied for second place in the in the
28:36
AFC East. That's it, I'm done.
28:41
Yeah, you explained it very well.
28:43
It was embarrassing on many fronts.
28:45
When it looks, you look at the defense first mainly, mainly the
28:47
secondary because they were, it looked like they were having
28:50
their one of their better games of the year all of a sudden.
28:52
And then they forgot how to cover.
28:53
They forgot how to actually jam wide receivers.
28:55
Like you were saying, they had a good game plan on Sutton.
28:57
And it had nothing to do with the secondary.
28:59
It really had nothing to do with the secondary, had everything to
29:02
do with the front 7. These guys are as good as any.
29:06
Dude, the Giants in the last three weeks, their front 7 has
29:10
it's it's in the top three in PFF.
29:13
This is one of the best front sevens in football, and you lay
29:18
up a lousy goose egg against the Denver Broncos offense.
29:23
Yeah, I was going to get to that, too, with the run defense
29:24
like you were talking about, like they kind of surprised you
29:26
by staying aggressive with the run game or the short passing
29:29
game, which a lot of people were criticizing Sean Payton for
29:31
throughout the year. Like way too many screen passes,
29:33
especially on 1st down. He was getting predictable, and
29:36
the Giants look like he was adjusting to that in the
29:38
beginning. Then all of a sudden they
29:39
stopped doing that when Sean Payton didn't stop going with
29:42
his ways. You mentioned RJ Harvey having
29:43
probably his best game of the year all around and a lot of
29:46
these secondary guys finally stepping up for the Broncos that
29:48
weren't stepping up all season because they've been a pretty
29:51
mediocre offense so far this year.
29:52
Have they? They had turnover issues and
29:54
like sack issues. No, but it wasn't.
29:57
You know what I you know what I love about Giant fans?
30:00
You know what I love? They they find a way to point
30:02
their fingers at guys they don't like, like fish.
30:06
Like our friend over here, poops.
30:09
They got somebody to point to. They want to blame it on
30:11
somebody. They're going to blame the
30:13
corners. They're going to blame Banks.
30:14
They're going to blame the fish. Could come in, he could say
30:17
whatever he wants and yap his big fat mouth because he's a
30:19
Giant fan. Because that's what Giant fans
30:22
do, they yap. My mouth isn't that fat.
30:25
Come on. Front service your.
30:32
Power Soon as the corner went out, we couldn't stop a single
30:36
pass stop. Cordell flots our best.
30:39
That's the problem. Pressure on Bo Nicks in the
30:42
fourth quarter, you had all the capability to do that.
30:47
So tell so tell me why it's not the coach's fault when he's the
30:50
one dialing up the blitzes or not and he decides to playoff
30:53
coverage because he's doing like what you said they did in the
30:56
Super Bowl and play this stupid type of prevent, keep everything
31:00
kind of really in front of us. But when you play it like that,
31:03
you're just giving up first down after first down.
31:06
And then you have Dante Banks in for Paulson Adibo, and it's not
31:10
about the pass coverage. He gave up those touchdown runs
31:13
'cause he dives inside and gives up contain.
31:16
He is a garbage football player at this point in his career and
31:19
he shouldn't be on the field this part.
31:21
And they they don't have any depth in the secondary and
31:23
they're screwed. How long has Banks been in the
31:25
league speeding? 3 years.
31:27
Three years and he's a got. Three painful years.
31:30
He was a first. Round talent.
31:32
Yeah, so was Evan. Evan Neil.
31:34
And they don't even let him see the light of day anymore.
31:37
And they just keep. Him, you know him and Makai
31:39
Becton have hamburger eating contests.
31:41
So you're going to sit here to me, you're going to sit here
31:43
with me right now and you're going to blame the secondary and
31:46
not the front 7 you? Have nothing to but.
31:49
Before the the front seven, I mean, banks had banks, not
31:52
banks. Burns had another sack in the
31:55
game. Burns was effective.
31:56
Not in the fourth quarter. He's leading the NFL in the
31:58
sack. Here's If you're not winning, it
32:01
doesn't matter if you're leading the league.
32:03
It's a big deal. It's a big deal to league the
32:07
league in something, especially sack.
32:08
You're going to sit here and tell me?
32:10
Oh, oh, oh, that's what it is. You talk about how great Trey
32:13
Hendrickson was on a losing team.
32:16
Oh well, that's going to be the same thing.
32:17
So we're going to sit here today and we're going to say.
32:20
He's on pays for more. We're going to sit here today,
32:22
we're going to talk about Brian Burns and how he leads the
32:25
league in sacks, and it's not. Oh my God.
32:28
You're the oh. My God, right the.
32:30
Leader of this defense and you're not putting enough
32:33
pressure on the quarterback. Bo Nix is running outside of the
32:37
pocket and scoring. Are you kidding me?
32:40
It's an embarrassment and I want to hear from Dexter Lawrence.
32:44
I don't want to hear Dexter Lawrence at the end of the game
32:46
pointing his finger at the coach.
32:48
Why don't you? You know why He pointed his.
32:49
Finger at him because he didn't put him on the field.
32:52
Look. At your seat didn't put.
32:53
Dexter Lawrence on the field to start the last drive.
32:58
That's like when Popovich took Duncan out for that rebound in
33:02
the Game 6 of that finals against the Heat.
33:04
Oh yeah, let's just not have our best guy in there.
33:07
Oh yeah, he won't get a pass rush.
33:09
Stexter, Lawrence put two guys on a mill.
33:11
Push the pile. Are you kidding me?
33:13
Every lineman can't. Can't wait for it in your ears.
33:16
Back on the last the last couple of plays of the game, that's the
33:20
reason why the Giants lost. Why would you not start your
33:23
best player at the top three player on the team, if not best
33:27
player? Don't you love at the end of the
33:29
game? Who does that?
33:31
What kind of good coach does that?
33:32
I absolutely no good coach does that.
33:34
The Giants don't have good coaches right now and.
33:36
For Why do you not think that's coaching?
33:38
If your players aren't on the field, they can't make the
33:40
plays. Oh, OK, All right, so because
33:43
the player. If they don't, if Jabba wasn't
33:45
put into the game, he can't help win the game.
33:48
The same idea? Listen, fish, you're going to
33:50
find every way to make excuses for this debacle.
33:54
It doesn't matter if. You making excuses?
33:56
It's an excuse. Just placing blame, you know
33:59
what the blame is? The players when they were on
34:01
the field in the fourth quarter when they were up 19 and
34:03
nothing. It should not have even been
34:04
close. You stop and you win.
34:07
That's what you do. And Dexter Lawrence burns this
34:11
front 7, which everybody and including yours truly thought
34:14
was a world beater going into the fourth quarter.
34:17
And this is. This could be a top three front
34:20
7 all of a sudden fell flat on their asses and it has nothing
34:25
to do with coaching. It has everything to do with the
34:28
players showing up, play in and play out.
34:31
I could give a crap how many sacks Mr. Burns has.
34:36
I could care less. He can have 25,000 sacks in the
34:41
season. If they're not winning, it
34:44
doesn't matter. You play to win the game.
34:47
Herm Edwards said it best. And am I right, Speedy?
34:50
Well, yeah. And also, no matter what level
34:52
of coaches you're going to have when you're facing a coach
34:54
that's as experienced as Sean Payton and even a defensive
34:57
coach has been as as successful as Vance Joseph has been in two
35:00
different stints with in two different stints when Miami not
35:03
great as a head coach with the Broncos.
35:04
But now a second stint with the Broncos as a defensive
35:06
coordinator has been great. And you have to be able to be
35:09
more creative than they've been. And I think that's where I think
35:12
the the talent does lie with the traditional pass rushers.
35:15
And you took made the comparison with the Falcons, like the
35:18
Giants, that Giants defense probably has more talent on that
35:21
defense collectively than the Super Bowl team with the
35:23
Falcons. Maybe the Falcons had a better
35:24
secondary, but the Giants have this pass rush Atlanta and have
35:27
a level of pass rush like that and they get predictable with
35:30
their pass rushes. Same types of the moves.
35:32
Thibodeau, he's developed nicely.
35:34
His move step better. Burns obviously has been great,
35:36
but you look at they're playing the same way.
35:39
Good coaches are going to counter that like Sean Payton is
35:42
going to counter that finally and make it work.
35:44
I agree with you with the offensive coaching.
35:46
Like I would blame that more on the players because I think the
35:48
players Scatabo is making some going into holes that I don't
35:52
think we're necessary. Jackson Dart I solely blame him
35:54
for that interception because he could have ran, he could have
35:57
thrown it. Away rookie, right he was.
35:59
Trying to make a play. He saw the field differently and
36:02
he made a mistake. I'm not going to blame a rookie
36:05
for the loss. No, I'm going to blame the guys
36:07
that are making money. I'm going to blame it on Mr.
36:10
Burns sitting there and tax the Lawrence at the end of the game.
36:13
Blaming the coaching staff. Give me a break.
36:15
Take responsibility for the loss.
36:18
Stop blaming other people. You want to blame the coaching
36:21
staff? Blame yourself.
36:22
Look yourself in the mirror. You're a bunch of bitches.
36:26
That's what you are. That's what the Giants are.
36:28
Just as well as The Jets and the Jet players.
36:30
A bunch of babies. A bunch of babies and the Giant
36:35
fans. I don't want to hear your crap
36:37
on social media. Get rid of Gable.
36:39
You know what? Get rid of yourselves.
36:41
Give yourself a wedgie. You are a bunch of babies, cry
36:45
babies, because you had a chance to win, you have a chance to
36:49
make the playoffs, and you showed up in the fourth quarter
36:52
playing dipsy doodle with a team that's not even any good
36:55
offensively. It's embarrassing.
36:58
Absolutely. So fire Bowen, these the
37:01
defensive coordinator, 33 points in the fourth quarter.
37:06
I would suspend the players like.
37:08
Suspend Bowen. I would suspend Brian Burns and
37:11
Dexter. What are you talking about?
37:13
For what? Opening your fucking.
37:15
Fat mouths at the end of the game.
37:18
He he look, Burns said it on the field and the camera caught it.
37:21
Lawrence tried not to say anything, but it was so bad.
37:25
It was so bad, so irresponsibly bad.
37:29
By Bowen, I mean you saw, I mean, look, Dave will get takes
37:33
credit because he's the head coach and he has to have better
37:36
control over those end of the game situations.
37:38
He is not blameless and I don't think he survives this either,
37:41
but Bowen should not have been allowed to come home on the
37:44
plane. I love.
37:45
That was terrible. I love the way Dabel at the end
37:48
of the game, you saw how upset he was.
37:50
He took his headset off, he slammed it on the ground.
37:52
He was upset. You saw it in his face.
37:54
You can tell that he's taking this seriously.
37:57
It's not like he's sitting there.
37:59
And because Aaron Glenn, as much as Jet fans think that Aaron
38:02
Glenn's gonna get fired at the end of the year, there's no way
38:05
he gets fight. This would be an have to be an
38:07
absolute debacle and The Jets have to be completely ram jammed
38:12
in the last three or four games of the season for Aaron Glenn to
38:15
lose his job after one season. It would be an absolute, you
38:19
know, absolute crazy move for the New York Jets to go in.
38:24
And I I, you know what? I want to say something before
38:26
we get into The Jets. I want to say something to the
38:28
Herd, OK, I have to say this. I listened to the Herd the other
38:33
day. Everybody knows who I'm talking
38:35
about. I I watch his show.
38:37
He's probably 1 of very few people.
38:39
I watch because I want to laugh at some of his stupid takes.
38:43
OK, stupid dump takes. When he came out and he said he
38:48
has four ways and four things that Jets needed to do.
38:50
And the final thing he said was at the end of the season, keep
38:55
Aaron Glenn to the end of season, fire him and hire Mike
38:57
McCarthy. I laughed at that take so much
39:04
that I'm going to write to the Herd and the show to see if he
39:08
will respond to my incompetent, crazy answers to why the New
39:14
York Jets would never do something like that and we never
39:18
throw away an X Jet that was a pro ball player.
39:22
And one of the faces of this franchise in the 90s, OK, it is
39:27
despicable how the Herd could get away with some of the stuff
39:31
that he says and that the organization has.
39:33
The Jets. Woody Johnson doesn't speak up
39:35
for his own coach. I just.
39:38
And The Jets fans, what a disgrace.
39:43
What a disgrace. Yes, Jake Asman, yes, I'm going
39:46
to say it and you're going to listen.
39:50
Jake Asman, who went out there kissing Aaron Glad's ring,
39:55
whatever rings they were, because he never.
39:56
Won a Super Bowl, kissing his ass when The Jets brought him
40:00
in. All this guy is going to be an
40:01
absolute God here in New York. He's going to win champion.
40:05
He might win championships. He might bring, he might bring
40:08
this team. Back.
40:09
To the forefront of winning and then all of a sudden in six
40:12
games throwing them to the walls saying that they should fire
40:15
him. Practically embarrassing.
40:19
In an embarrassment, everybody, I have to say something.
40:22
And Jake, you don't have to listen to show.
40:24
I could give a shit if you listen to the show.
40:26
And I am going to curse on this show tonight because I'm
40:28
disgusted. I'm disgusted with New York
40:30
sports. I'm disgusted watching this
40:34
garbage. I'm tired of it.
40:36
I'm tired of it. Met fans making excuses, Yankee
40:40
fans making excuses. Now we're going to hear Rangers
40:42
and Islander fans. What's next, the Brooklyn Nets?
40:46
Give me a break. I don't want to hear the
40:48
Brooklyn Nets fans. And I'm going to tell you this
40:51
right now, the Knicks better come out like world beaters
40:53
because they're expected to win the East or I'm going to be
40:57
taking shots at them. The whole the whole season.
41:01
It's an embarrassment. It's an absolute embarrassment.
41:05
New York sports is garbage. Garbage.
41:10
That's what you do. This is what this is what we're
41:12
selling. Buffalo Bills, even how they
41:15
look good as a Buffalo fans would say they're the only New
41:19
York team. I I just, I'm tired of this.
41:23
I'm tired of watching, losing, losing, losing organization,
41:28
quarterback, defenses, coaches. I'm tired of it.
41:34
I'm tired of this garbage. I'm watching this.
41:38
I spend my Sundays watching New York football.
41:45
John, before you go, I just want to mention Carl's commentary.
41:47
He said Burns was gashed in the fourth quarter and the front 7
41:50
was flat in the fourth quarter and the kicker was miserable.
41:52
Yes, the front 7 did struggle. And Burns, if he made his plays
41:54
before that, yeah, maybe he wouldn't be so gassed.
41:56
And stop with the kicker. Stop with the goddamn kicker.
42:00
Oh, he missed the view. He missed the kicker and he made
42:02
the kicker go to overtime and you would have lost it overtime.
42:08
No, I, I mean, you guys kind of hit everything too.
42:10
But I think, and the one thing too is, is, you know, you guys
42:13
kind of always coaches players. I think it's an accumulation of
42:18
everything. Kind of like everybody said
42:19
there, there's going to be blame put on somebody obviously,
42:22
right. But I think everybody in their
42:26
own right has a, a role in the debacle.
42:30
I mean, I, it's crazy to think there's been over 1600 games to
42:35
that point. The Giants had to lead that one
42:37
and they had a 99.8% chance to win in over 16.
42:41
That's just that that's not just one aspect of the team, right,
42:46
That's that's from the code that's from top to bottom.
42:49
So there there is literally, you know, not one finger to point.
42:53
I don't I think it's just all of it as a whole that just
42:58
basically peed down their leg. I mean, there's there's no way
43:01
to only person that was excited in this whole realm was my son
43:04
because he's a Broncos fan. So sorry, guys, but it was it,
43:09
it was interesting to to see because you know, as as we were
43:13
on a meeting or whatever and it's just you could kind of see
43:17
the wheels turning of like all giants fans and even Errol, you
43:20
said you're like, they're going to win the game.
43:22
And fish is like, don't blow this, don't blow this.
43:24
And you're like, oh, wow, you kind of look and you're like,
43:28
maybe they they might blow it. And then you kind of see what
43:32
happens. And, you know, listening to
43:34
everybody this morning and it's like, well, yeah, they, you
43:37
know, they dropped eight. They they've done it before,
43:40
blah, blah, blah. What are you going to do in that
43:41
situation? I mean, obviously I've never
43:43
been in this situation, so I don't know.
43:45
But it's, I think it's an accumulation of just for a
43:49
breakdown of that magnitude. It's hard for me to look at it,
43:54
to be able just to point it at one thing where I think it's
43:58
just, it's as a whole, everybody needs to look in the mirror and
44:02
be like, what the hell happened and how can we fix it and make
44:05
sure that it doesn't happen again?
44:07
It really doesn't matter, Java, because it's never going to have
44:10
to make. It doesn't mean anything.
44:12
It's never going to happen again because the Giants.
44:14
Just. Cost themselves a playoff, a
44:17
playoff run, because now they're they went from. 3:00 and 4:00.
44:21
To two and five, what are the chances that's.
44:24
A. That's a big difference.
44:25
It's a huge difference. It's a huge difference.
44:28
Because they have been tied for second, right?
44:30
They would have been tied for a second or right there, what's
44:33
who's in second place? They yeah, they'd be right
44:35
behind Washington by a tiebreaker.
44:36
They technically would be last because Dallas won, but they'd
44:39
be right there in that three win cluster.
44:41
They would they, they had a very good chance to be that second,
44:45
that second team and a wild card team, maybe the final wild card
44:48
team in the NFC because it's wide open.
44:50
Besides the teams that we've mentioned the, the, the
44:54
conference is wide open in the NFC.
44:56
So and there's a lot of football to be played.
44:58
So it's not like it's over and we will get into the Kansas
45:02
City. For everybody that thinks that
45:04
Kansas City is just going to run away with the AFC now that they
45:06
have Rice back and they look like world beaters against the
45:08
Raiders, that's another thing. Garbage that I've heard over the
45:12
last couple, the last 24 hours. Thank you to all the fans.
45:15
We really appreciate everybody listening to us.
45:17
Speedy, who do we have on the show on Wednesday?
45:20
All right, joining the show for the first time at 8:45 will be
45:23
Emmanuel Bar Barberi, Yankees postgame host.
45:25
He's on WFAN and SNY and also do some college basketball
45:28
broadcasting for for Fox and for Sienna Hoops as well.
45:32
Manny is one of the nicest people I have ever met.
45:35
I saw him at an event that I was over the summer.
45:39
He noticed me, I noticed him, we spoke.
45:41
He is a lot taller than I expected.
45:44
Guy's like 6 foot 4, but very, very nice kid.
45:48
He's doing good things. He's doing big things with the
45:50
Yankees. At one point a lot of people
45:53
thought was going to be the voice of the New York Yankees,
45:55
but he's growing into it and I'm looking forward to seeing and,
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and him moving up in his success of his career.
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So I'm interested to hear what he's got to say about the
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Yankees. He's he's, he wants the chance
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to, you know, work, you know, kind of interview with Jabba a
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little bit and, and get his take cause Jabba was one of his
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favorite players too growing up. So so we'll get Emanuel on Manny
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