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First Day of School: Jeff Hafley Sets the Tone, Achane's Absence & Aikman Questions · The Fish Tank: Miami Dolphins Tales From The Deep

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[SPEAKER_03]: you're now diving into the fish team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Fish Tank Live, presented by Bandhorn Law Group and Casabella Design Group Seth Levitt here live from the Casabella Design Group Studios.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little loud in the back here, Juice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A little loud, though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I apologize.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's windy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't hear that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Nasty weather today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nasty weather is nasty, but my crew is not as always.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm joined by the man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For the best hands in the live podcast business, he is O.J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: McDuffie, Juice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's starting to feel like home again here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm starting to, I was starting to feel like a little disoriented.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out how you know who's nasty and who's not nasty in this crew.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what I mean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know what I mean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were just having all of it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Not at all right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a prime nasty too, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Great crew right here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Big Seth, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's good that you, you know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You're looking good in studio with air, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he always does it, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's what Casabelle design group does.
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[SPEAKER_05]: My question you with this, like the first day, you had a nice circuitry board and everything.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You can practice toast, too, or you can do the cut you off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I might have been cut off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just... You were a Chad Van Horn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we didn't get enough of it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was so nice to have.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right, right, right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to cut back with another candidate.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now that we've put the pressure on it, Betcha Alvaro, next time it'll be a feast in you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have absolutely a feast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you hear the chuckles in the last, and obviously if you're watching now, we don't have Chad Van Horn, at least not yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He might make an appearance as always who's trying to join by the legendary Savak, our Emmy adjacent producer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And back in the saddle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's banned it if you listen to a recent episode of Finn condition banned it makes the parents wrap up the show, which was grateful for, for, for, for, for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we call it a panic appearance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then it is banning it as they say, but the people have been asking and he has answered the Sun Sentinel columnist and of course the host of Dolphins deep dive with Perk because he can't have deep dive with Perk without Perk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has Chris Perkans and we've got him back and we've
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[SPEAKER_04]: Rocket is what I'm saying, let me just say this, Seth got me to judge the Jason sailor poetry slam, louder than a bomb.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was out there on Thursday, um,
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was one of the best things I've ever done.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll say that, and here's why, here's why.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because you know, you always as an older person, you always hear the youth, they're screwed up, and they don't have any focus.
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[SPEAKER_04]: When I do things like this, or when I go to the NAVJ National Association of Black Journalist Job Fair, when I judge high school journalism concepts, it reassures me, not these years have got it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There were some very intelligent stuff, some raw stuff, some will thought out stuff out there that I saw.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've believed in the youth of America once again,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wow, Taylor, do that, that thing, that thing was on point.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let me tell you, it was, it was faith assuring right there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have faith in the youth.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for inviting me out there, Seth.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, let me, let me piggyback on that real quick, big Seth, because I was talking about what we've got on the air, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we did.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, L.T.
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[SPEAKER_05]: have floored in that with Seth and I blew up a poll that you have going on, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's special with Jason Taylor Foundation.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it's so funny, I said beside a couple newbies, you know, when I do not judge this on Tuesday as well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I know what Thursday you were at, but I thought I saw you were too much.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it
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[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I mean, it was so much incredible stuff and I knew what to expect and I still didn't bring my tissue or my handkerchief You know what I mean because there are some amazing poets out there that are telling their stories And I knew they were going to get me perked, you know, I mean I knew that I was going to be emotional with something
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[SPEAKER_05]: and I hit I had set up like right away after words and I was like big Seth man there this is group from Flanagan that I've got to hear their group piece again because it was absolutely incredible yeah a couple of the young ladies there were absolutely incredible a couple of the gentlemen there were absolutely incredible
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I echo what you're saying, man, the way they can put their words to paper and then articulate it out to us.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we feel every single word they're talking about, man, it was so, so incredible, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm, you know, every year, Seth, you know, I do it every year for Seth.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I do it for myself too, man, because I want to hear if these kids have to say.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And every year, perfect, you'll see this when you come back next year, because I got him locked in for Seth already for next year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: to be some other current topic or some other news story that they're going to be talking about and they're so on point about bringing it to light, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it's so much fun, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's always a great thing to go listen to these kids speak.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And like you said, Park, man, the future is bright with a lot of these jokes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was very emotionally.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There were tears well enough in my eyes a couple of times, very emotional.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm glad I did it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll do it again next year if y'all have it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're locked in, you're locked in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, guys, gosh, what a pleasant surprise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Greatful for both of you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The kids are very, very special, but we can't do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I told everybody when we started this thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Perk just made my, I held as long as I could choose my team meeting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I told Perk, Perk definitely thought it was still the Mike McGangler or the way he showed up on Amazon for that team meeting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I held the meeting as long as I could.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a showcase without the judges.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When the judges show up, you know, you guys, they don't always like your scores, but they need you there and it's meaningful to all of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for the kind words grateful for that and for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have trouble with judges showing up on time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could just go, just go digital again, you know, like you did when I was a judge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's when we had Savak in the house when he was 20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just not like 200 in person, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, Savak was hiding behind the lens there, no big set.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Get out there with the kids and yeah, listen to the poem.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_05]: When they're yelling at you and booing at you, that's what you need to see Savak.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, man, up in there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody could handle, that's like the pageant, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we was in the pageant like
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[SPEAKER_01]: those not buying the produce.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, well, look, I talked about it in the Daniel era.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, that is way in the rearview mirror now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Jeff Hathler officially started.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess you could really say it officially started yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or as he said, the first day of school, half said it was like the first day of school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the offseason program has begun for the Miami Dolphins, and probably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Teams throughout the league, but it was the first time we heard halfly not like an introductory press conference not doing the the media tour But standing up at the podium and from from the first question He had the kind of learn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess what the culture of that room is and I thought it was interesting all together Perk walk us through it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You were the guy in the building
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, all of us could have seen it and have most of us probably have seen it on YouTube, but you were in the building.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was the first Jeff Hathley media availability like?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was, it was, it was still, but it was, um, you could feel the passion that Hathley has.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, when Hathley was out in Phoenix at the owner's meetings and I wasn't there,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I listen to the audio and you can kind of tell that half just really wanted to get with the players.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He wanted to get with his guys.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He wanted to be coaching football and I thought Tuesday he got a step closer to that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He met with the team for the first time and you could tell that he was in his element.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I don't think that half I think
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[SPEAKER_04]: John Eric Sullivan is a lot more comfortable talking to the media and talking about what I'm going to do and this and that I think half is a hand in the dirt.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk football.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's get out there and play football type of guy and I think that on Tuesday.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I saw that he was closer to that because he was in front of these guys for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Players went off with offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, special teams, position meetings.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is phase one of the offseason program.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think for two or three weeks, they're just doing meetings and lifting weights.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But to me, I could kind of tell that half was back in his element, or he was a step closer to be him back in his element.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And you know, Big Seth, I love that, too, about, you know, I remember that first day that, you know, with Jimmy Johnson, because you got to set that tone right away, you know, you really do it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And Jimmy definitely set a tone on how things you're going to be.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's what a lot of it was about Perk, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, you know, you want to set the expectations, the tone, the reposition coach, setting up their ways, and the coordinators doing things like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But you, like we talked about that kindergarten teacher, Big Seth, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You got to set it up stern early, man, don't, don't.
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[SPEAKER_05]: don't come in here like, you know, early and they're trying to get started later, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and you made a long man, let it go how supposed to be.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'll say this one thing that I liked about half me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He talked a lot that they talked about accountability and, and, you know, being untimed and being responsible and being accountable to your teammate.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, I'm not saying that that was missing in the last administration.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we're saying it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Paul, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We can say whatever we want.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now we know we know now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Come on now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, yeah, I think it's going to be more of an emphasis here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that I get the feeling from listening to Hathley and Sullivan that this administration, this regime, this staff is more grounded in football reality.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's again, hand in the dirt, accountability, show up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: play some football, don't worry about social media likes and all that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Show up and not somebody off the line of scrimmage and we'll take it from there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's what we need to hear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did anybody ask them about a shoe?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't see them more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're sorry.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm full, though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's coming.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was about a hat, though, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's first coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was Allen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was Allen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was, I don't, everyone has seen it, you know, the start where he asked and he started to get the first question from Allen and everybody was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
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[SPEAKER_01]: I took a lot away from that presser, and you can only take so much, and especially at this time of the year, but we see how often if we've seen, and we've seen too much of it here in South Florida, with the change, every time it's a change in coach, and it's also like politics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't like the Republican president, let's vote for the Democratic president.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the tough coach, let's get the players coach, we've got the offensive coach, let's get the defensive coach, because that didn't work out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you see that happen all the time, and I don't know, I haven't done a study on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be interesting to see what teams fire an offensive mind to coach, but higher an offensive mind to coach, because they believe in the system, they just think they got the wrong guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And...
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[SPEAKER_01]: You had Brian Flores, who was just an absolute ballbuster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was no-not-sense, he fight into the death if he had to, even if he didn't have to, perhaps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The press conference is, it was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you guys had to bring a crowbar to try and get anything out of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was almost entertained by that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so difficult those press conferences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Mike McGangel comes out here and he's very, you know, all the criticism people said word salad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought in those 20 to 45 minutes that he gave you guys every time he got up to the podium, he really made an effort to try and give information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really did think that he made an effort to answer questions and I given credit for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: even though I think there were times where he could have just taken the other out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, he was took a completely different approach and then of course also tried to be a stand-up comic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think Hathley is the exact opposite of Mike McDaniel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I almost think he's somewhere in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got, you know, he's kind of got an affable personality, you know, crack a joke here and there, but he is serious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought it was very interesting to hear him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So many of the things he said, could have been taken or interpreted as anti-mikmik Daniel, like, uh, or the opposite of what micmikmik Daniel would do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to come in here and tell you what my program is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to get it in here and throw quotes up on the wall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what's important to you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Beyond time, everything you've got every time you're here, you know, none of those things are the things that we felt we ultimately saw in four years with Mike McDaniel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how much he was coached up on what people felt went wrong or those are just normal things that football coaches do and Mike McDaniel was so counterculture that it just feels like it was the exact opposite of everything he brought to the table.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that half is I think you're right half is kind of somewhere in between.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mike McDaniel was a football coach, but I think Mike McDaniel got too much into the entertainment aspect of the NFL, you know, the speed and the fashion and the social media lives and let in tie recap what was it the the YouTube guy I am speed or whatever right show up at practice and and and that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: half is not going to have that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's just not his style.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not the type of team he's going to have.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I don't think it was being counter to Mike McDaniel.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was just him being him and Mike McDaniel was being Mike McDaniel.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But again, I think Mike McDaniel was much more into the entertainment aspect of the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Not that that's bad.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have to be winning.
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[SPEAKER_04]: when you're into that kind of stuff and they weren't winning.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's why Mike took the fall in 2024 and 2020, but 2022 and 2023 might make Daniel was the most entertaining coach in the league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: 2024 and 2025 when they started losing, it was like, hey,
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[SPEAKER_04]: This dude of the word salad, he's not that funny, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I think they were both being real, but again, to me, Ashley is just more grounded in football, like hand in the dirt, not somebody off the line of scrimmage.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's more of my style.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm more flow in fangeo than McDaniel.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right, right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think half isn't having it, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, he's he's and I think honestly he's halfway between, you know, McDaniel and and Flores, you know, have half that, you know, I So, you know, and I think that's important.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it has to be a balance, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: There has to be a balance perk.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You still got these new school kids that, you know, love, you know, the new way of doing things, but you also have to have an old school coaching mentality in order to get the best out of that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think that
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, when you look at the dolphins and what we're going through the last few coaches, they went one way with Flores, they went another way with Nick Daniel.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now I think that they said, all right, we need to find somebody that's a little bit on both sides.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think he might be leaning more flow than he is, Nick Daniel, when it comes to how he's going to handle that locker, which is probably a good thing as well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So he's more thinner left.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Not, not, probably, probably.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're correct.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're correct, Jason.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You brought up an important point with talking about that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Look, half is a guy who was just in college, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: So he was at DC.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So he can kind of relate to these new school kids, but he's an old soul, an old football soul.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I guess.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So he's kind of got a hand in each potware.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He was just in college.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He knows about NIL and transfer portal and what kids won.
17:01
[SPEAKER_04]: But he's kind of an old football soul, old school guy.
17:05
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think that's going to be a good blend of good mix.
17:07
[SPEAKER_04]: That's going to serve him well, relating to players.
17:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And he wants to relate to play it.
17:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was also kind of an interesting dynamic of when I'm talking about these polar opposites and then him being in between.
17:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really,
17:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
17:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't quite fascinating juice, but I did enjoy the way he explained how, you know, they were itching for players to be in the building and he said the building comes alive when players are in the building.
17:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And I couldn't agree with that.
17:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't agree with that more.
17:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Having worked in an NFL building for eight years, it's a different feel just to build those
17:48
[SPEAKER_01]: built to have football players in them doing football things they're designed for that the locker room has to have a certain vibe to it The training rooms have to be active open room those guys are doing and you feel all of that now that buildings a lot bigger, but
18:04
[SPEAKER_01]: When you're working in a building like that, you feel that energy.
18:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You know when there are meetings and there are coaches and there are the anticipation of having to be somewhere and beyond time and don't interrupt those things and there's an action associated with it.
18:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it permeates its way into the press areas, but man, you just feel it.
18:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if you don't have
18:27
[SPEAKER_01]: If there's no player availability, you still kind of know that that building is operating the way it should be.
18:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I thought that was a cool statement.
18:36
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, there's so much going on in these buildings.
18:39
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, think about when we love baby, when we love baby, there was nothing going on in that building.
18:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Like you're talking about kind of all season like where there's nothing going on.
18:48
[SPEAKER_05]: But you said it, man, there's so many different things that are going on.
18:51
[SPEAKER_05]: And people are interacting with so many people.
18:53
[SPEAKER_05]: And there's no other sport.
18:55
[SPEAKER_05]: we need as big a building as you do when it comes to set foot point, you need a big building and when a big building is empty with no players.
19:03
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like it's ghost town and it's like it's just a tough deal.
19:06
[SPEAKER_05]: But for these guys, man, you know, to be able to go in there, like for me, I couldn't wait to get back out here.
19:12
[SPEAKER_05]: I couldn't wait for, you know, Thursday at school.
19:15
[SPEAKER_05]: I really couldn't, you know, I'd already made my trip to Cancun, you know, spent 10 days there of my boys kicking it, you know, we went, we had three spring breaks that we've overlapped in the perk, you know what I mean, make sure you catch, you know, you know, that's exactly.
19:30
[SPEAKER_05]: And maybe
19:30
[SPEAKER_05]: I never know what you were, you know what I mean?
19:32
[SPEAKER_05]: But the same time, no, you know, I couldn't wait to get back to work, man.
19:36
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think a lot of these guys can't wait to get back to showing proof in that building.
19:40
[SPEAKER_05]: So you're right, except that I love a liability building, man.
19:43
[SPEAKER_05]: And new energy, I think it's going to be new energy.
19:45
[SPEAKER_05]: They're not coming back with the same old same old, it's going to be new energy for everybody in that building.
19:50
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
19:51
[SPEAKER_04]: You're exactly right, Seth, and Jews, because, yeah, I mean, the league is about players, right?
19:56
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's the energy.
19:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, exactly.
20:01
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the energy that you need to feel all the time.
20:04
[SPEAKER_04]: And I can tell you, even as a media member, I personally, I hate the off-season.
20:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Ain't it?
20:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, hey, ain't it?
20:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Because it's just a bunch of this.
20:14
[SPEAKER_04]: A bunch of yapping.
20:15
[SPEAKER_04]: And you aren't going to settle anything from months.
20:18
[SPEAKER_04]: I used to always say about the NFL when it was a 16-week season that it was 48 hours of action.
20:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, 16 games, three hours per game, 16 times three is 48.
20:29
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
20:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
20:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
20:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
20:34
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
20:35
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
20:35
[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks.
20:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so excited to get you to screw up this whole thing though.
20:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, it screwed up my whole thing, but it was it's just the NFL is built on top, right?
20:48
[SPEAKER_04]: It's some little action, but you're so happy to have that action.
20:52
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so precious.
20:53
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, when died during the building and then we just slowly ramp up to training camp and when pads come on and joint practice and then it really means something.
21:01
[SPEAKER_04]: But this is the start you need this buzz.
21:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree with you 100%.
21:06
[SPEAKER_04]: It makes the lead.
21:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Let me ask you this real quick, but I'm sorry, big sad for let me ask you this big perk because you've had He's big time when he's a you know 30 at the 30 of Joseph show up out at 30 Yeah, we had a we clap you all the amazing big time right there 30 30 out of 30 getting there
21:31
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, like like you've had somebody's first day at school press conferences with some of these our last eight coaches.
21:40
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I'm quite a few of them.
21:42
[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
21:42
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
21:42
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, what is what is his stat with you in terms of like, you know, no, he can't do anything right now about, you know, the X and O's or we all know anything about what has can do with the Poppy September.
21:52
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe you know, late August, but how has opening press are right there?
21:57
[SPEAKER_05]: How does that stack up with you?
22:01
[SPEAKER_05]: finished up.
22:02
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a great question.
22:03
[SPEAKER_04]: It's set up very well.
22:05
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that because he gives that confidence of a football guy, right?
22:10
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that that flow there, the same thing, Gacy, the same thing, Phil B.
22:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Not really.
22:16
[SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't there for the very first press conference of Mike McDaniel, but I'm the old season.
22:22
[SPEAKER_04]: football guy right defense run game you know not this dude's head off don't apologize to him all that kind of stuff I grew up in the 70s and 80s Jack Tatum and the steel curtain and and all that kind of stuff so that's the type of football that I love and I get the feeling that that's the type of football that half me and Sullivan love and so you know I thought it
22:50
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a guy who was very happy to be around players again.
22:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Like you said Seth the building is full, is buzz and it's got energy.
22:58
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that came through with half that I'm around the guys again.
23:03
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's do this.
23:05
[SPEAKER_04]: So that I got a very good vibe from Hathley.
23:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and let me say this because Mike McDaniel took a lot of criticism for, you know, wanting to be the guy's friends, I didn't get that feel and I guess we'll see how it'll manifest itself.
23:20
[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't get the feel that all the players are here so now I can go compare watches and shoes and be their friends.
23:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he definitely wants to be in charge.
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the stuff he said about.
23:30
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of cultivating leadership and showing people how to lead and recognizing when they do things that show that they're good leaders and supporting that and encouraging that and modeling it for my thought that was all cool stuff but he wants to coach players.
23:43
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in the business to be with players and coach players.
23:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was cool.
23:47
[SPEAKER_01]: There was one player missing.
23:49
[SPEAKER_01]: There was one player missing and it is, you know, perhaps the most important player
23:59
[SPEAKER_01]: should we care is it just expected he said that's just what happens this time of the year which is what you should say on day one if he's not there by day 15 or day one of training camp then it's a different conversation.
24:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Well juice water your thoughts I'll start with you from the players perspective if you were there for off season workouts would you just think hey he's he's doing what he's got to do like what what do you think about that well you know I think I think
24:22
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a point in time when you don't show up.
24:24
[SPEAKER_05]: I think right now is a time where you probably want to be there with a new administration.
24:28
[SPEAKER_05]: And really not doing anything that could jeopardize, I think, your ability to get the new contract or whatever it might be, the reason you might not have been there.
24:38
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't hear him say it was excuse or anything.
24:40
[SPEAKER_05]: A lot of times, your coach who you're up there and say, well, we talked to Devon.
24:43
[SPEAKER_05]: He's not going to come.
24:44
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't hear you in that.
24:45
[SPEAKER_05]: And if I'm wrong, please correct me.
24:48
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like this, you know, at some point Devon's going to get a contract.
24:54
[SPEAKER_05]: probably he's not he's not going to play football this year without a new contract.
25:00
[SPEAKER_05]: That's my opinion and rightfully so as well, you know, why should he go into his last year, right, Perk?
25:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Why should he go into his last year and I get paid and then he sees guy, he's a lot of guys that were just in that building, get paid before they had to go into their last year and he knows his value to the football team.
25:22
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, with that being said, be careful out there because, you know, that's somebody come up with two first round picks, you know, and, you know, I mean, I know, I would hate to lose the Barney Tam, but it hurt you tell me to walk, said, you tell me somebody said, would you two first round picks for him?
25:40
[SPEAKER_05]: We got to let it ride, right?
25:42
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's all right.
25:43
[SPEAKER_05]: We got to let it ride.
25:44
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just saying, though, I think for him, it's probably, hopefully, you know, it's a little business decision right now, but don't, you know, don't, don't, don't, don't.
25:55
[SPEAKER_05]: hold out as a, I don't know if you want to hold out and face one.
25:58
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
25:59
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's like a little bit early time to be holding out, and I know work can be done, and I know that we talk about it, it's mostly classroom and workouts, nothing too much football stuff.
26:09
[SPEAKER_05]: So I just think that, you know, but here's the thing that I said, you know this, man, I'm putting my hand in anybody's pocket.
26:15
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, keep your hand on my pocket, so I'm all for making a business decision.
26:20
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
26:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
26:24
[SPEAKER_04]: I think you raised an interest in point because you look, I'm all for Devon HN.
26:29
[SPEAKER_04]: You're a one hundred ninety one pound running back.
26:32
[SPEAKER_04]: You better get your bag when you can.
26:35
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't know when your career is going to end.
26:37
[SPEAKER_04]: On the other hand,
26:39
[SPEAKER_04]: You should probably show up for day one of the new administration and let them know that football is more important to me than getting paid.
26:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Devon A. Chan is not that type of dude though.
26:49
[SPEAKER_04]: I think this is more about business.
26:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody doubts his love for the game.
26:53
[SPEAKER_04]: He's taking advantage of a business opportunity and trying to maximize it when he can.
26:59
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's smart on his part.
27:01
[SPEAKER_04]: I won't get I won't get nervous until he starts missing full pad two a day.
27:07
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean a full pad training can't work out two a days all the
27:10
[SPEAKER_04]: in a bit.
27:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
27:26
[SPEAKER_04]: And till Devon starts missing full pad training camp practices do your thing you're running back get your bag when you can because you're career as a 191 pound running back is probably shorter than anybody else's career on that team.
27:43
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a great point, but he's also a 191 pound hard to touch.
27:49
[SPEAKER_05]: He gets it.
27:50
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, if you're looser.
27:51
[SPEAKER_05]: 191 in a looser is a little different in 191.
27:55
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I'm just 191 for no reason.
27:58
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
27:58
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
27:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to ask a different question.
28:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm looking at the chat and someone brought up Troy Ackman.
28:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know, made made news.
28:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, have you seen them around the building?
28:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming he's not around the building.
28:18
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I'll say they're sees he's he's not I tried to tell y'all, but go.
28:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I will be not he's been you know, he's been on the on two podcasts
28:27
[SPEAKER_04]: saying that, you know, he's interested in the dolphins.
28:31
[SPEAKER_04]: He's got a vested interest here.
28:33
[SPEAKER_04]: And I did ask Jeff Hathley about Troy Atman.
28:37
[SPEAKER_04]: And, half, I was kind of surprised by his answer that he said that, yes, I've consulted with Troy and I continue to consult with Troy.
28:45
[SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, you wonder, you know, what it Troy, we think that Troy was instrumental in the John Eric Sullivan higher because he was on the selection committee.
28:54
[SPEAKER_04]: We think that Troy was instrumental in the Jeff half of the higher again on the selection committee and said that he had talked to half and he was very impressed with half before, you know, just as a as an ESPN analyst to defensive coordinator, he was very impressed with him.
29:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I would guess that Troy eight men endorsed Malik Willis, but you wonder how heavy is Troy eight men's influence here?
29:19
[SPEAKER_04]: If Hathley has said that he's talked to him since being hired, what is Troy consulting on?
29:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Is he consulting on the first round day?
29:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Is he consulting on Ty Simpson?
29:31
[SPEAKER_04]: It raises interesting questions.
29:34
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll say this also.
29:36
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm all flooring.
29:36
[SPEAKER_04]: I like getting an outside voice in because good to have been doing before was not working.
29:42
[SPEAKER_04]: So you bring in Troy, 8 men, you bring in Daniel Silman, who is Ross's son-in-law and Steve owner, Steve Ross's son-in-law and a sports son, you know, he's a member of the relevant relevant company CEO I believe.
29:58
[SPEAKER_04]: He's got some sports experience.
30:00
[SPEAKER_04]: I like bringing in the outside voices.
30:01
[SPEAKER_04]: I like 8 men being there.
30:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So Michael Levus says the board Troy, I think, the better.
30:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the question, it does raise a lot of questions, and I have a few of them, but here's my first one.
30:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Where the house dammer?
30:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, who's asking Dhammarino?
30:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Is anyone consulting with Dan?
30:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the kind of thing Dhammarino doesn't do this.
30:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: But Dan's got a job there, too.
30:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Dan was on the selection committee, why I don't understand, and we're going to talk about quarterbacks, so we're not also asking Dhammarino.
30:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, John, you know what, and, oh, Jay, you know this better than me and Seth, you do too.
30:33
[SPEAKER_04]: I think Dan was to, you know, shake hands and kiss babies.
30:37
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think you'd like to put in the 12 hour days.
30:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, you want to put in the 12 hour days.
30:43
[SPEAKER_01]: But Dan is right there.
30:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Troy isn't even.
30:45
[SPEAKER_06]: Troy, put in the 12 hour days.
30:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Troy, put in the 12 hour days.
30:50
[SPEAKER_01]: like the building damn arena's a guy who helped to build those darn facilities when it's time to go ahead and open deficit so I just I'm not anti-trui I'm not anti okay so I so Mike says okay damn hasn't been traveling around a week for 15 years going from team building team
31:06
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but get what I have sat in those production meetings.
31:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that that makes anybody a better evaluator of talent or understanding how to build buildings.
31:16
[SPEAKER_01]: They make friends and kiss babies and do all that stuff too.
31:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I will say this.
31:21
[SPEAKER_01]: they probably evaluate more film than Dan is evaluating, because he's got to watch games and understand what to expect.
31:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, Troy, Acme, very bright guy.
31:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Clearly he wants to do this.
31:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I just find it very interesting that you've had Dhammerino on the payroll.
31:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm trying to choose my words carefully, because I don't want to step into something that I shouldn't step into.
31:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that if you're going to consult one guy, you got another guy who's right there as well, who also has a lot to offer.
31:49
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
31:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe he isn't even consulted.
31:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
31:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think it's interesting that Troy Ackman is saying these things on podcasts, but who internally is supposed to answer for that?
32:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like who for the Miami Dolphins?
32:02
[SPEAKER_01]: You asked that question, Perk.
32:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Who can you ask?
32:05
[SPEAKER_01]: That can say help me define Troy Akeman's role with this team.
32:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he going to have a page in the meeting guy when the new when the dolphin's twenty twenty six Three guys like that as Troy Akeman going to have a page there is special consultant.
32:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I just really interested to know and it feels like it's in the shadows If you if you look through a dolphins lens, but Troy Akeman is like hey Cowboys didn't ask me.
32:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, let's go go go go go go go go go go go go go
32:29
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's a win-win having both of them, bro.
32:32
[SPEAKER_05]: I really do, man.
32:33
[SPEAKER_05]: You got some, you got two dudes that know Ball.
32:36
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, we're talking about how we love old school football.
32:40
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, we're talking about how we love the way the game supposed to be played.
32:43
[SPEAKER_05]: You can't tell me those two together does it a lot of times what I love most about all this guys.
32:49
[SPEAKER_05]: A lot of times a head coach is intimidated by having two guys like that in the building.
32:55
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, you know, they don't want, they don't want, you know, the hell, we've even won Jason Taylor in the building.
33:01
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, they were, they were afraid of Jason Taylor after me and my thing, and that's my thing in the building because, you know, you gotta do that smart as hell.
33:07
[SPEAKER_05]: Those are game, tough as hell, coaches as ass off, you know, to me.
33:11
[SPEAKER_05]: And this is for, you know, for Mike, shit.
33:18
[SPEAKER_05]: Damn, fuck.
33:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Sleeping man.
33:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get them caught up in the chat going.
33:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's 30 a minute.
33:26
[SPEAKER_01]: See that you first want juice.
33:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a makeshift.
33:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to get on it.
33:30
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a good thing.
33:31
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
33:32
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's like, yeah, so it's good to have these guys.
33:35
[SPEAKER_05]: These football guys in the building that the hate co-state.
33:40
[SPEAKER_05]: They're not worried about anything other than coaching, but they don't mind the influence that some of these guys in the building.
33:46
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, Uncle Dan was at, they never two in them called Uncle Dan.
33:49
[SPEAKER_01]: He did.
33:50
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean like all I'm calling Michael Dan.
33:52
[SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, I just think that a guy like damn Reno and guy like Troy can bring so much to the table and if guys respect them, let's say he's think about it though, too.
34:05
[SPEAKER_05]: A lot of these kids in the locker right now.
34:08
[SPEAKER_05]: The only no damn Reno from Ace Ventura.
34:10
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
34:12
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't know anything about Troy as a player.
34:13
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll let you know about Troy as on TV.
34:16
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, that's just, that's the way they are right now because it's been so long since they played.
34:20
[SPEAKER_05]: Tell them about the 90s, man.
34:22
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, these kids, most of these kids weren't even born to a bit 2000s, you know what I mean?
34:27
[SPEAKER_05]: So.
34:28
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, so it's interesting to see how Danny's not, you know, being talked about a lot in Troy is, but I love the dynamics.
34:35
[SPEAKER_05]: We all can agree that from the, the, the higher in Sully to higher in half and all these things that Troy and Danny were part of, I think they've collaborated pretty well.
34:48
[SPEAKER_05]: So we'll see how big of part.
34:51
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, we didn't need by that to have
34:56
[SPEAKER_04]: No, but I, you know, I do wonder about the power structure and how Sully feels about it because if Troy is in here, you know, and half is talking to Troy, Sully is, I don't know, maybe, maybe Sully welcomes it, maybe Troy is not a threat, maybe Troy is a threat to a first time GM, right?
35:19
[SPEAKER_04]: uh, who isn't secure in his job yet hasn't been through a draft hasn't been through a season.
35:25
[SPEAKER_04]: I just want to see the power pyramid not have asked about it.
35:28
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's that's why I asked to have to be about it.
35:31
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm very interested about Troy Akman's role.
35:35
[SPEAKER_04]: How does marino feel about it?
35:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what is his influence on the draft, on decisions throughout the season, on the final 53 man roster?
35:46
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree with you, Seth, is he going to have a page in the media guy to see an advisor, especially with ESPN?
35:58
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there's a lot of questions to be answered here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I do think that it's a positive for the organization overall.
36:06
[SPEAKER_04]: I just think there's probably, they might have this thing worked out and I might just be the nosy media member who has no, you know, who should be, who should know all this stuff anyway.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What does it matter?
36:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Why do we have to tell you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm curious about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you can't walk in a name that big and not expect people to want to understand it, particularly when that name that big keeps talking about it, right?
36:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you're, it's every bit of your right to ask that question.
36:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it would be silly to, in my opinion, to just ignore it.
36:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It's joy, friggin' acmon.
36:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, and you have me, like they're both there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How could you not want to understand it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say this though, where's Van Horn?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say this that
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[SPEAKER_01]: John Erick Sullivan does not come across to me as a guy who does not feel comfortable or as concerned or as looking over a shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he approaches every day like, I am making the decisions here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am going to consult everyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I value what everybody brings to the table, but the buck stops here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think that's the approach he's taken and I love that about him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: throw shade, although I know it's a very popular thing for Miami Dolphins to do, but because I like the man personally and worked with him personally, it's very different than what we felt we saw from Chris Greer, at least from an outside looking in, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there is no doubt about who's in charge in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: from, you know, day-to-day building that football team, it very much seems to be John Erick Sullivan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: From everything we've seen in the way he's carrying himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I am intrigued by the Troy Acment Dynamics, the Troy Acment Dynamics, and I'm not, I hope I'm not projecting that there's some beef between those two guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's, I mean, those guys are incredible respect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Troy Acment would tell you, the Dynamics was zero growing up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm not projecting that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just intrigued by the entire dynamic.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I think Mike Leaver asked a great question, too, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, when you asked, we'll try being the war room.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a great question.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It tries in the war room.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I've been told that he will be.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's a big thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a big thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You're my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, man, he's going to be in the war room and see him on the cliffs, but both of those guys in the war room.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Why would you be in the war rooms?
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're not helping make a decision in the war room.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what point being there?
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[SPEAKER_05]: You could be at a watch party somewhere, just kicking it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Imagine if you walked in and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and out and
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[SPEAKER_05]: They pulled you back in juice man said that's what's going to bring I'm supposed to be on the west coast I know big sad and that you know He's hate to tell you man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They brought me back in man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm a That tells you what they think Yeah, well if they don't move out of it, then it could be what if they moved the I got to be on the road perk.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I got to be somewhere
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got to be somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got to get the West Coast Lord in 30.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, I agree with you there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's a nice place to be.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, nice place to be pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was that survive?
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm going to say I look forward to the draft.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and, and you know, I.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know which way the dolphins are going to go, whether they go offensive tackle and with number 11, I should say, whether they go offensive tackle, it's now in no of France is now in no or from Miami is there, whether they go corner bank, men's toward the lane, the kid from LSU, I think it's too early to go edge rush, I don't think, I think the best guys are going to be gone, recent daily, recent Ohio State and David Bay,
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[SPEAKER_04]: After that, I think there's a drop off, so maybe you go live receiver, you know, McIe lemon, if Carnell Tate is there from Ohio State, I like him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's my kid from Ohio State, Tyson, but Jordan Tyson, Jordan Tyson, I like that live receiver also, so it's it's I would think they go corner back.
40:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Offensive line or wide receiver at number 11 and then we see what they do at number 30 you could get it in Russia at number 30 nice nice I'm thinking I'm thinking all wide receivers for all the picks we have.
40:51
[SPEAKER_05]: I was thinking, see which one works out best from a leaf.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that that could be the best form of the perk.
40:58
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, that's the thing we did in your formula, wasn't it?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They got a real leaf score.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Running back to receivers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Or two something.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It can't be, you know, that's what I said.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like me, you know, I mean, we're just being able to run.
41:12
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, but the draft strategy, draft strategy is going to be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what to expect at 11 or 30 because there's no precedent.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think we would have had a pretty good idea with Greer and Mike McDaniel, they son for previous years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They were emphasizing the trenches the last couple of years at the top of the draft, but we'll see what these guys is going to be very interesting what they do at number 11.
41:36
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's interesting that you say that too because I know that you know half had a lot of great things to say about the young guys that are on the defensive line that we have from last year, he feels like those guys, you want to see more you don't trust them on purpose.
41:49
[SPEAKER_04]: I would grab the defensive tackle and look, I, you know, I think Jordan Phillips has the best potential out of them all in the fifth round pit, Kenneth Grant, the first round pit.
41:59
[SPEAKER_04]: He's a Z biggest, the seventh round pit.
42:01
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think it's kind of one of those things where if they don't bite as a puppy, they might not bite as a dog.
42:07
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm going to draft a defensive tackle.
42:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I know you got that sealer there, but I wrote just yesterday.
42:15
[SPEAKER_04]: I wonder about that sealer if he fits into the rebuild.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to be 31 on September 7th next year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to cost $2.7 million on the cap when he'll be 32 at the season opener.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Does that fit into the rebuild a team that's really looking to get younger?
42:33
[SPEAKER_04]: So I would probably draft a defensive tackle.
42:38
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't assume improvement.
42:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I know the biggest improvement, a lot of guys make this from year one a year two and they always say that's the reason is because going into your rookie year, you train for the combine.
42:51
[SPEAKER_04]: You're training in 40 yard, dash and bench press and shuttle run after your rookie year, you actually train football stuff, the defense and the offense that you play in as a rookie so you make a bigger jump.
43:04
[SPEAKER_04]: But I still don't assume improvement, undrafting and detackle.
43:07
[SPEAKER_04]: And what's the worst I can happen?
43:09
[SPEAKER_04]: You have too many detackles.
43:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how high though?
43:11
[SPEAKER_01]: How high?
43:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a quarter.
43:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I would, I don't think around three or four, because I was somebody okay.
43:18
[SPEAKER_04]: Because I want somebody who's going to contribute.
43:20
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, Jordan Phillips and in brown five and Zeke Bigger's in brown seven.
43:24
[SPEAKER_04]: That's nice, but
43:26
[SPEAKER_04]: That's not somebody you expect to be an impact player.
43:28
[SPEAKER_04]: That's somebody you expect to be a rotational player.
43:32
[SPEAKER_04]: If they're an impact player, that's a nice surprise.
43:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to get an impact player third or fourth round, probably.
43:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting, very interesting.
43:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I also thought you were the one who asked him about you ask halfway about sealer, right?
43:45
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I did.
43:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought his answer was really good.
43:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds to me like he's very excited to have him this year.
43:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was pretty cool to hear him explain what he felt sealer does well.
43:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But you also bring up a very good point and describe the exact type of player that John Eric Sullivan gets rid of.
44:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe not this year, but
44:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Not at that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Not at that number.
44:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that number.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's just not answer that number.
44:14
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a position in that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, no chance.
44:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
44:17
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it sounds like here.
44:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're going to jump into.
44:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to tell you all in a second, but I just want to bring up really quickly a little fin condition update.
44:25
[SPEAKER_01]: We dropped the new episode today.
44:26
[SPEAKER_01]: We focused on my 1981 top snap more card on a map.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm that more.
44:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's an actual one for me.
44:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So sign by net, a lot of fun episodes, and Finn condition right now is on the apple top 100 charts for hobby podcasting in the United States.
44:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So appreciate everybody who's listening to it.
44:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And in Mexico, we're on the top charts of Mexico, and I hope we'll meet you in the crew with me.
44:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Got on the UK charts today.
44:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're loving us up in the UK as well.
44:56
[SPEAKER_01]: We were a white part.
44:57
[SPEAKER_04]: We were a beautiful man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The head of the world.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I told you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I look.
45:05
[SPEAKER_04]: I got a whole collection.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got a shoe box in my closet.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've probably got an old Jamie Duffy card.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I collect it for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe until I see it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll have to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I actually I probably don't.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I collect it from the mid 70s up until the early 80s.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So there's probably like a eight-year span, six or eight-year span, and I've got a couple of them from the 2000s.
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[SPEAKER_04]: from the 90s and 2000s, but yeah, I'm mostly 70s and 80s.
45:38
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to give these, yeah, at some point, you know, everybody can DM me, don't put it on the page.
45:46
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think I'll allow you to post to my page, but I'm going to get away some tickets for the over the TGL this weekend.
45:53
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
45:53
[SPEAKER_05]: That's pretty cool.
45:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Watch party.
45:55
[SPEAKER_05]: on Saturday.
45:57
[SPEAKER_05]: So I've got like four passes, man.
45:59
[SPEAKER_05]: Curdy said my man, Mark, you know, Mark Gundry, you know, a whole life and he's also a color Williams, you know, real estate agent, but he gave me some passes, man, for
46:10
[SPEAKER_05]: for this event this weekend.
46:12
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's that thing, you know, a tiger will, you know, perk with it's, and do it all for the Jupiter, the Jupiter man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I've got four passes man.
46:20
[SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be very interesting for me to go in there and see what it's all about.
46:25
[SPEAKER_05]: So I guess the first few guys, the people that DM me on any of my socials, you know, I mean, they hit me up all the time.
46:33
[SPEAKER_05]: And they want to talk shit to me.
46:36
[SPEAKER_05]: There we go.
46:38
[SPEAKER_04]: I heard it lit up there.
46:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I heard it's a great atmosphere.
46:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Dave Huy, our columnist went there.
46:44
[SPEAKER_04]: He said it's a great atmosphere.
46:46
[SPEAKER_04]: So I know a couple of other people have been up there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So jump on those tickets.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
46:51
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the deal.
46:52
[SPEAKER_05]: And Big Seth, we've got when are we doing our drawing?
46:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was going to pull it Friday.
46:56
[SPEAKER_01]: That's I'm glad you brought that up.
46:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have an opportunity to win.
47:01
[SPEAKER_01]: The, the prize possession in this, in this giveaway that we're doing is the OJ McDuffie 1993 upper deck rookie card signed by OJ McDuffie with the inscription air slops it's a one of one for one of these entire planet.
47:16
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Jim McDuffie, air slots, Russian card, okay?
47:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't know what that is in reference to, go back and listen to think of this step of split number two, you can learn all about it.
47:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I'm giving away not the shirt I wore, but the same model of shirt that I wore in episode one and two.
47:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a, it's a damn arena, Mitchell and Nest T-shirt, a $60 MSRP T-shirt, unopened still in the bag, okay?
47:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not the sweaty one that I wore.
47:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody wants that.
47:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Clearly, I heard it doesn't probably know what else.
47:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's that T-shirt and then now these tickets that OJ is giving up and all you need to do is tweet at us that you are following Finn condition and not on the socials.
48:05
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to be following Finn condition on Apple Podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on Spotify or on the Fish Tank YouTube channel.
48:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, Finn conditions also available right here on the Dolphins Talk YouTube channel as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Finn conditions blowing up everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you show us that you're following one of those three channels, you'll be entered to win.
48:23
[SPEAKER_01]: You get an entry for each and every one that you're following.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can have up to three entries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to pick some winners here on Friday, just.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's great, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I am I also able to win?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can win those tickets.
48:39
[SPEAKER_05]: You also have a ticket, man.
48:43
[SPEAKER_01]: David Fernand is most aware of the green hat that I wore in that year.
48:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to wear blue hat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The sign line boy hat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I need to give away something too.
48:53
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49:16
[SPEAKER_04]: And they'll, and they'll, you know, they'll take care of it.
49:20
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like five days after I stop the service and I call them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, I haven't gotten this email.
49:26
[SPEAKER_04]: They were like, yeah, you can keep the equipment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We don't need it.
49:31
[SPEAKER_06]: You got to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They already know, they're like, no, you can do that.
49:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You crap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
49:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
49:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You still have that router.
49:45
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to, okay, we're going to come up with something creative.
49:47
[SPEAKER_01]: We're somebody doing an autograph.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's Perkins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're the ass router.
49:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
49:53
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We gotta do it.
49:56
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
49:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna.
49:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we gotta get Sam Markoo involved in this promotion for sure.
50:01
[SPEAKER_01]: It was good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
50:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are the contests.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go check them out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gentleman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to know what you tried to tell us.
50:11
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm trying to tell you that the big ten is the shhh.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Sheet.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh.
50:21
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh.
50:21
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh.
50:21
[SPEAKER_00]: He wouldn't let me have that one.
50:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to let you have it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There it is.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In the 2025, 2026 school, you're the big tennis, the big bad bully on the block, and the division one, Kylie sports.
50:38
[SPEAKER_05]: As of today, the Big 10 holds the college football title in the end of the NCAA wrestling title in state, well, who's actually won 13 or last 15, but who's counting the big set?
50:49
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
50:50
[SPEAKER_05]: The reference always been dominant in the Big 10 the past 20 years.
50:54
[SPEAKER_05]: The women's hockey title resides in the Big 10 with Wisconsin and the first African-American woman on the national team, Layla Edwards, from Cleveland, which is Big Seth's old stomping
51:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Green Road baby.
51:06
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And just recently in T.A.
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[SPEAKER_05]: basketball championships UCLA women beating Dawn Staley in the pop South Carolina and Michigan men beating up on team that top dogs the past five years in U-Khan and who knows what's going to happen in the cross and soccer and all the other sports that I don't give a damn about.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
51:33
[UNKNOWN]: Now,
51:34
[SPEAKER_05]: Iowa State and the previously mentioned Indiana, you know, playing the portal, playing the NIL, but the playing field is finally even now big seven that and that means more good players are bypassing the SEC and coming to the big 10.
51:50
[SPEAKER_05]: That is why this draft season that Dolphins just think big 10 first, then SEC and ACC.
51:58
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, six of the top 12 players are in the big 10.
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[SPEAKER_05]: that they're projected, right?
52:04
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, granted now, granted.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Most of those guys are from Ohio State.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Who cares, Big Sam?
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
52:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's not like a commercial, but that was good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was definitely it was well thought out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was well thought out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There it is again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Savak, what'd you try to tell us?
52:42
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I don't understand how everybody doesn't have an O.J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: McDuffy card, considering that man had like 80 of them frigging things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see that one party?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, about 50 cents on that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I made about 50 cents on that.
53:01
[SPEAKER_00]: But all right, guys, all right.
53:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I tried to tell you all, and I apologize for saying this again because I know we're tired of hearing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Trust the process.
53:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I know we've heard it for two decades straight, like a broken record, echoing through the nightmares of every long stuff for my enemy man.
53:19
[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, it's less of a slogan and more like a sleep paralysis demon that's whispering in our ear and awkward orange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
53:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet, here we are, being asked to buy in one more time.
53:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But this time feels different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not in the usual, just squint a little and the kind of way and you'll see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the potential actually feels tangible, real, like something that's reach out and grab, on, you know, instead of another mirage shimmering over hard rock stadium.
53:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I know big Seth pushes back on the whole Packers on South Beach idea, but honestly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not an insult, it's a blueprint, and a proven one at that.
54:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we all know about Sally, but let's not gloss over the fact that the two teams that just met in the Super Bowl, both front offices are rooted in Green Bay DNA.
54:13
[SPEAKER_00]: John Schneider, cut his teeth as a top-aid in Green Bay, climb the ladder, took over in Seattle, and now he's sitting on his second Super Bowl ring as GM.
54:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Elliott Wolfe, learn the ropes in Green Bay, sharpened his blade in Cleveland under John Freakendorcy, who's going to have to change his name to that because I'm not going to stop calling him that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he just helped turn New England back into a legit contender in two years flat.
54:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And Dorsey, come on, you guys already know how I feel about Dorsey, the man builds monsters for a living.
54:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He was handpicked by Andy Reed, another Green Bay product, by the way, but most people don't realize Andy Reed was just an offensive line coach all the way up for about a decade until he made it to Green Bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there is a pattern here, now whether people want to see it or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I could run through Dorsey's resume again, but I already did that on my own channel, so go ahead and figure it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Savak and run that back if you need a refresher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We won't know, or we won't truly know what we've got in Coach Hathley and to the ball snapped in the bullet start flying, but Sally, there's enough smoke to believe there's real fire behind it.
55:27
[SPEAKER_00]: because here's the truth nobody wants to say out loud.
55:30
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no class room for being in NFL GM.
55:33
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no degree, no certification.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You learn by being in the room, watching, absorbing, bailing and adjusting, selling, learning, green bay and organization that doesn't just flirt with success.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They sustain it.
55:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, Miami's last regime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say their teachers weren't exactly valedictorians.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One more time, trust the process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if this thing hits, the way it looks like it might give it a few years.
56:06
[SPEAKER_00]: After league is going to be scrambling to build the Dalton's north or Dalvin's west or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when that happens, just remember, I tried to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: very nice well research rooted in the process so very nice about choose I might jump perk and save him for last because he said Troy Akeman's part of his I tried to tell you all and I kind of don't want to I want to hear that so I'm I'm going to go if that's okay with you
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[SPEAKER_01]: turn 65 years old today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So happy birthday, Mark Clayton.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And anytime I see the name Mark Clayton, I try to tell you all that that man belongs in the pro football hall of fame.
56:59
[SPEAKER_01]: My creative writing here isn't particularly creative, but it doesn't need to be.
57:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to read some names to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jerry Rice, Terrell Owen, Steve, Sergeant Chris Carter, Harold Carmichael, Cliff Branch, Freville, and the Kauf Charlie Taylor, John Stahlworth, Marvin Harrison, Calvin Johnson, Sterling Sharp, Raymond Barry, James often drew Pearson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Andre Reed, Tim Brown, Isaac Bruce, Michael Irvin, Charlie Joyner, Art Monk, Andre Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: every one of these men that I just named are Hall of Fame Y receivers who did not turn receptions into touchdowns at the rate that Mark Clayton did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Calvin Johnson here at Call Michael Charlie Taylor, Fred Blitnikov, James Lofton, Bob Hayes, Andre Johnson, Raymond Barry, Art Month, Cliff Branch, Bobby Mitchell, Sterling Sharp, Michael Urban Charlie, Joyner, John Starworth,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy Legs-Hersh, Lynne Swan, Drew Pearson, their Hall of Fame Wider Severs who caught less touchdowns than Mark Clayton did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I could do this all over and over and over again, large and brown Bruce Barry in a whole list of other guys, Hall of Fame Widers who had less double-digit touchdown seasons than Mark Clayton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I'm going to give you two other names.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Randy Moss and Jerry Rice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps the two greatest wide receivers in the history of this great game that we love and they are the only two men who had seasons with more touchdown catches than Mark Clayton's 18 and 1984.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When the only two guys who are better than you are literally the best two who ever played and maybe two of the best football players who ever played the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps you should give some credence to what Mark Clayton did on a football field.
58:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you are just saying all you're just an old guy who likes old guy stuff, let's talk about some of the best receivers in the game today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who are the best guys today as Justin Jefferson would he be on the list of the top five receivers and professional football today?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, his touchdown to reception radio ratio is 13.8.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mark Clayton is 6.9.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every time every 6.9 times Mark Clayton caught a football, he scored a touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin Jefferson's doing at a rate of 13.8.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mark Clayton had 582 receptions in his career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin Jefferson is 579.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're pretty close there, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Apples to apples.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Guess how many touchdowns Justin Jefferson has, 42.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Literally half of what Mark Clayton has.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the same amount of catches, Mark Clayton doubled Justin Jefferson's touchdown catches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are we talking about here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How about from our chase?
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[SPEAKER_01]: His ratio is 9.6.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has 54 touchdowns and 520 catches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very impressive, but an 84 touchdowns.
59:38
[SPEAKER_01]: What about Amon Ross St. Brown?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's another guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 12.4 is his ratio only 44 touchdowns with 547 receptions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these are modern day players with modern day rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is absolutely insane what Mark Clayton did at 5 foot 9 in 1984 in the 80s and the early 90s and I get that he has the greatest pure passer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to ever play the game as the guy who threw them through the ball, but that should not diminish his greatness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't believe me, you can go watch something else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My nine minute video that I did in terms of what I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to bring it up every time because it's Mark Clayton's birthday today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday Mark Clayton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You belong in the profile ball hall of fame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, great stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's not there watching long guys this morning.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I called him this morning because he was watching a long guys Did a lot and he was sitting on the porch drinking lemonade.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's moving to cigar.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So as he said Yeah, yeah, all right, I guess I'm hitting clean up here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So
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[SPEAKER_04]: Freud Aceman is gaining influence in the Dalton's organization, and I tried to tell y'all that this was going to happen.
1:00:59
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that this was going to happen as soon as Troy's name came up, that he was going to gain influence.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think the two strongest people that are gaining influence in that organization are Brandon Schwer, the salary capologist, and Troy Aceman,
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I do like that the dolphins have gone to Troy Eighthman.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I do like that Steve Ross has gone to an outside voice.
1:01:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Troy Eighthman is somebody who is one title as a player.
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[SPEAKER_04]: As a quarterback, the most important position in the NFL.
1:01:31
[SPEAKER_04]: He's somebody who has made a lot of associations around the league as a ESPN analyst.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He talks to all these players.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He talks to all these coaches.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He talks to executives.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He knows what's going on in the league.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think this is a good move by the dolphins.
1:01:48
[SPEAKER_04]: I think this is a good move by Steve Ross.
1:01:50
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it shows a willingness to break with some of the stuff that they've done in the past where they've been kind of an insular organization.
1:01:58
[SPEAKER_04]: The essay gone outside sometimes, but pretty much they rely on their same guys.
1:02:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I like that they have gone outside the organization.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They've gone to try eight men, somebody who knows what it should look like.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it sounds like they are tapping him very seriously as far as information on who should be the GM, on who should be the head coach.
1:02:21
[SPEAKER_04]: We know that Jeff Hathley told us on Tuesday that he has talked to try eight men a few times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, you do wonder where the 8man influence came from, why throw a 8man, as Seth said, what does damn arena of think about this?
1:02:36
[SPEAKER_04]: As I brought up, what is John Eric Solomon think about this?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That stuff that we can resolve later.
1:02:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Right now, I know that Troy 8man is gaining influence in this organization, and he's excited about it.
1:02:50
[SPEAKER_04]: Troy 8man has talked about this on two separate podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How he's been influential in the dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How he's going to be rooting for the dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Troy 8man is somebody who is shaping the future of the Miami dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Troy 8man is gaining power in this organization.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to continue.
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[SPEAKER_04]: to gain power in this organization.
1:03:15
[SPEAKER_04]: I tried to tell you, oh, there it is.
1:03:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, Troy is going to be his name.
1:03:22
[SPEAKER_04]: His name is going to be heard a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_04]: His face is going to be seen a lot more.
1:03:28
[SPEAKER_05]: That's that's good stuff right there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Great job, gentlemen.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that right there, part man.
1:03:33
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's it's it's we're seeing it over and over again.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like you guys both talked about today.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're he's been talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I trust you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I decided.
1:03:43
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:03:43
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what's up right there, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I did see some of these other players probably that have been doing big things with these organizations.
1:03:50
[SPEAKER_05]: And you know, why would Jerry Jones not have him in the building?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the big conversation, right?
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_05]: They know what I mean.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, it's too late now, though.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's ours now, Larry.
1:04:01
[SPEAKER_04]: But you know what?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Even people are saying that about Steve Roth, what about Dan Moreno?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why do you mean Troy?
1:04:07
[SPEAKER_04]: I, you know, and then Tom Brady is out there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, doing his thing with the radio.
1:04:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
1:04:13
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Matt Ryan, though.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was just about exactly that Ryan, yeah, I think these are good things because it brings in, you know, new voices not look.
1:04:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Troy has a play since, you know, what the 2000s we know, but he still somebody who has had his hand in the league and and the same with Matt Ryan the same with Tom Brady so I think it's a good thing, but I do wonder the origin of the of the Troy 8man.
1:04:44
[SPEAKER_04]: involvement, did you ask Dan, did Dan give his approval, did you go over Dan, did Dan say I don't want this?
1:04:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe we're not entitled to know this as media members, but I think fans, people who pay their dollars are entitled to have some of these answers.
1:05:03
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's really kind of why I asked the questions.
1:05:08
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think fans who pay their money to this organization are entitled to know something about the power structure, not everything, but more than we know right now.
1:05:21
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's an interesting point there, entitled to know, I don't know.
1:05:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we're entitled to know or not, but we certainly, it would be ridiculous to not understand that
1:05:38
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so they have to recognize that the curiosity is going to be there and if they didn't think that was going to happen, then they completely misread the room.
1:05:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you cannot sneak a name like Troy and into the building and it's soon nobody's going for, you know, crazy.
1:05:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can imagine that Dan's not cool with it, dude.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's got to be cool with it, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't imagine he's not.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's a marino off in that fashion.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm sure Troy is going to be in the war.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to be pictured in the war room on draft night April 23rd and that first round his face will be shown probably right next to damn marino as they were at the introductory press conference for John there, I saw them in and then a Jeff Hathley, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: They were sitting side by side.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It'll probably be something similar on draft night.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm guessing, but still, you kind of have to wonder about the dynamic and what everybody thinks about it and how it came to be.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we're the correct, let's protocol follow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you give Dan right a first for few of the, you want this job?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you want this role?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because we're talking to Troy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I hope it was done that way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The right way.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure it was.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think it was.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I agree with you, Jews.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I don't know if there was any more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think I'm going to shut up and listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great stuff, great show, another way to fill up in off season here, never, never don't moment in Miami Gardens.
1:07:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, great stuff, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we didn't even get in to run.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He lost her.
1:07:12
[SPEAKER_05]: But that was no we did we didn't write all man I don't know you better not you better not he is man, it's it's he really sad bro
1:07:32
[SPEAKER_05]: I love the source.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I hate that he was the source.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I wasn't in somebody else, but thank him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: If he has a good source, he was right there.
1:07:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, it looks like he put a game on it.
1:07:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say that for the game on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he won the nine months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He put his name on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: often stuff guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Next Wednesday, I don't know that we're going to, well, it's your call, juice.
1:07:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a lot of them in a bomb Florida individual finals.
1:07:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I will not be available.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've pulled Chad Ben Horn into being one of my judges.
1:08:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you guys got it, well, we'll make an announcement later.
1:08:05
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we'll figure it out.
1:08:07
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we'll figure it out.
1:08:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But hey, we do appreciate everybody coming out tonight and definitely thanks for
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who the hell?