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EDP22: Dean wins a 10km / London DL / Marathon WR holder banned / European U23's / Sydney Marathon Elite field · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast.
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  We're on episode 22. I'm joined by the man fresh off
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  a 10K race this morning and the man who's also maybe been
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  following those results quite closely.
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  So welcome to the pod fest. Dean Manzies, how you doing post
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  race? Thanks, Ron.
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  Yeah, doing well. It's nice to see you this
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  morning. Yeah, I was maybe doing some
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  illegal pacemaking on the bike. I might have a chance with that
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  one. I.
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  Didn't hear that. How are you?
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  Pacemaking and the short course. There we go.
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  There we go. No, I'm good, I'm good after a
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  big week or running. So yeah, nice to just sit down
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  now on a Sunday and just relax. I bet it feels better this week
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  having already got your long run done and not thinking about
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  having to go out after the recording.
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  Yeah, even though where I'm from, I'm from this place called
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  Mead and like Dublin is like did like county next to us.
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  And I went into Dublin to do my long run around this, like
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  massive big park. And then, yeah, Phoenix Park,
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  Yeah. And when I tell you it lashed
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  for the full hour and 50 minutes, it lashed.
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  And Mead, there wasn't a drop around.
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  I was like, for God's sake. Someone gone.
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  All solo. Shit.
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  Just me and my thoughts. 27° and pump and pump and rain.
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  I'd say it was like 20, the heat wave, it's still lingering but
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  it's just not as sunny now. I don't get the time.
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  The the listener's been loving this, the climate band, so you
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  know it's. Because it's real, it's not bad.
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  Anyway, it was a bit of go on. Sorry, Ron.
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  Now you go, you go. Oh no, I was just going to say
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  there was a bit of climate chat ahead of the race on this
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  morning's race and it knew there was like a Perth where the
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  voodoo doll that I would have been working on to try and
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  sabotage the the morning, but fortunately it did hold out.
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  I got it instead. Karmic Universe.
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  It was quite, I mean, we'll talk about the weather when you can
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  recap the race. I guess we have a huge episode
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  coming up. So a bit of a structure to lay
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  out ahead of it. We've got some results from here
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  there and everywhere really. We've got London Diamond League,
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  there's a couple of European under 20 threes races.
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  There was meetings in Madrid, in Belgium and in Italy.
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  Throughout Europe. We've got running news topics,
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  including the highly anticipated conversation around Ruth Chapman
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  Gassich being suspended. We've got the Sydney Marathon
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  men's elite field and a World Athletics Championships
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  qualification breakdown. Because I want to talk about
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  this because it's a topic that I've been confused about or not
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  certain about in the past. When people are talking about
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  standards and they're in or they're out, I've never really
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  understood properly how it works and we talk about it often, so
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  forth. It might be cool to give some
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  context and break it down. We've got a YouTube Diaries
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  which we haven't actually spoken about off air, which one we're
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  going to go with. So we'll see where we land.
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  And we do have a double trouble. I can confirm this week.
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  If the boys haven't got one, I've got one up my sleeve.
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  So you're good with that agenda, lads?
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  All. Right, sweet.
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  I also just want to thank, thank all the listeners for tuning in
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  and being back with us for another week.
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  So hopefully you're enjoying the ride because we are definitely.
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  So I'm going to talk about these, these qualification
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  standards before we go through the results because it might
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  just give some important context for when we're hearing these
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  results and who's run, which times and whether they're in or
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  they're out. So there's a defined number of
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  athletes eligible for each event, and that differs based on
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  the distance. For example, for the 1500
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  meters, there's 56 spots, for the 5010 thousand, there's only
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  42 spots, and for the marathon, there's a hundred spots.
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  Now there's two main ways of actually qualifying, and that's
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  either running the World Athletics to find standard or
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  getting in through your World Athletics ranking.
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  And now World Athletics have set these standards up so that they
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  want around 50% of people to hit the auto qualifier and 50% to go
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  in through their ranking. So that's why often people will
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  talk about the standard being difficult to meet.
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  It's kind of done deliberately. I don't know why they only want
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  50% of people to hit it, but that's what they're going for.
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  I thought part of the motivation was to encourage people to,
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  because what they can do with points is the points are both
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  based on how fast you run and then where you run those times.
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  And so I think it's to try and, and so depending on the quality,
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  it's to give mates that create the really good mates are able
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  to offer more bonus points with their events.
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  And then like Australian, like your national championship gives
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  bonus points. So I think it's to then
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  encourage athletes to 1 compete at their like national champs,
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  which it's like in Australia, it's been super effective.
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  Like you would not see all these US based athletes coming, you
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  know, coming all the way to Perth to run a track mate.
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  Would it not be for the fact that it helps them qualify for
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  major championships? And then yeah, sort of the the
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  competitions themselves, when they put on these huge label
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  events, it sort of gives them like greater standing and allows
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  them to offer more points. So the tracks slight better
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  fields. Yeah, that's true and fair.
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  And I guess the the time based element encourages people to run
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  fast as well. So not just racing for position
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  and placement in these races, but also get after the times and
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  the records. But I think Stephen Scullion, he
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  came like he ran Dublin Marathon a couple of years ago and he
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  was, it was like to try and get points for Paris.
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  But him winning the Dublin Marathon and running to 11 was
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  the equivalent of running, let's say like a 209 or something
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  because he wanted the Irish national championships as well.
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  So it's a good way to like sort of like pump up your points,
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  yeah, and get a good qualifying, yeah.
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  That's where it gets a little bit messy as well, because the
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  there's some certain cross country meets which are heavily
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  weighted, aren't there? So people who target them can
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  get like in through the back door.
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  I think you just mentioned for the tank, I think there's only
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  27 spots. I don't think there's 45 because
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  I think it's 3 heats in the 5K of whatever that works out to be
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  to make however many spots it was.
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  And then it's like one straight final, up to 27 people in the
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  10K. So like because like you
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  mentioned, not every event's got the same amount of people in it.
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  I think some events are harder to get into really than others.
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  Like you only have to be. That's where I think the 10K is
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  particularly hard. Well, here's the thing.
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  There's a maximum of three athletes.
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  And this is this is funny when you look at the 10K standings,
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  maximum of three athletes per country allowed to get in,
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  unless your country has a wild card so that you might be the
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  the reigning champion or something along those lines to
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  get a fourth entry. And when you look at the 10K
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  standings in particular, the amount of Kenyans and Ethiopians
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  that are in like the top 304050, but because there's three ahead
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  of them, they can't get in. So the guys who are ranked like
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  70th, 80th, 90th from the respective countries, different
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  countries, European countries, they're getting in.
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  And these Kenyans, Ethiopians who've run 30 seconds faster,
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  they can't get in because there's at least three people
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  faster than them. So the period for achieving
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  these times, they have a qualifying window and that
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  differs again based on the event, but it's split largely by
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  the marathon being a longer window.
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  I guess because of the the individuality of running a
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  marathon, there's less chance to do it.
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  So they give them a longer qualifying period.
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  And then largely the track based events have a shorter window.
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  So most of them are about 12 months or a little, little bit
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  longer up to 18 months. So it's important to note that
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  the the marathon window is actually closed now.
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  So the, I don't know if the selections are finalized, but
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  the rankings are finalized and the all the track window is
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  still open until the end of August, which is why it's
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  incredibly exciting at the minute.
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  But you've got people chasing times and trying to get more
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  points to bump themselves up those rankings.
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  So as Dean alluded to, it's the rankings are done on a points
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  based system and there's a World Athletics algorithm which kind
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  of produces this point score for you for each race.
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  And then your ranking is based on your average of your best 3
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  results during that period. And also as we said, the meets
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  are categorized from F all the way up to from F, it goes EDCBA
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  and then the top one being OW, which interestingly stands for
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  Olympics or Worlds. And depending on which category
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  meet you're at is how many kind of the weight that goes towards
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  you score or your time there. So interestingly enough, when
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  you look at the marathon with the being 100 positions,
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  qualifying time is two O 630. And for context, only 31 people
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  ran that standard. So if we're looking at that 5050
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  split with that, it was only a 31% split.
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  So that means that 69 positions are open via the world ranking.
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  And as I said about different countries having different
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  numbers of people in those rankings.
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  So Australia have got 3 in this because Andy Buchanan in the
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  men's ran the standard, Tim Vincent was ranked 79th and
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  visit Liam Boudin was is the other guy isn't he?
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  He he was in the rankings there whereas GB only have a male
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  caress in there because of his British Championships win in
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  London Marathon last year. He didn't win the marathon but
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  it's the British champs and Ireland have got 2IN.
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  I mean I've never heard of either of these marathoners to
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  be fair. Owen Hikohasso and I didn't know
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  the other guy's name. It would be Peter Lynch.
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  He ran like 209 low in Hamburg there earlier on in the year and
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  Hiko won Dublin. Well, I think he came.
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  He won the Irish, Dublin, the Irish Marathon Championships
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  last year in like again like 209 something.
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  So Hiko would have trained like Dublin Track Club, which is
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  linked to the Melbourne Track Club and I think he spends most
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  of his time out in Ethiopia doing whatever they do out there
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  now so. So yeah, just a bit of an overt
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  condean. I thought with the the rankings,
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  maybe it's different for say world champs, but I thought for
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  the 8 and 1500 it was your average of your best 5
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  performances equals your ranking score.
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  And then for the 5K it's average of your best three.
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  And then for that the tenor marathon, it's average of your
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  best 2. Like I think as you change in
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  distance, the number of events that count towards your world
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  rank score changes. We sort of talk sick, you know,
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  because you can do a lot of shorter events, whereas you can
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  only run, you know, a couple of marathons a year and then
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  different events can count towards your ranking score.
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  Like it's not like for the 1500 it has to be 15 hundreds or
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  miles. I think you can like other
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  events at score well I think. Yeah, it's very complicated
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  system, but hopefully that breaks it down somewhat for
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  people. So leads us nicely into the
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  results and Owen is going to talk about London Diamond
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  League. Yeah, so Lynn was on Saturday
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  evening for me and like absolutely stacked fails.
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  So we, we'll start off by the men's 1500 and three of us sort
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  of we had a we also each picked someone who we thought was going
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  to win. Ryan, who did you pick?
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  I think I said K in the end. Dean, who did you pick?
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  Did you pick anyone? No, I said on the I said it was
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  too hard. I like, like going into the
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  race, I just couldn't decide. I felt like, like Jake Wightman,
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  like he'd been tearing up the training track, hadn't he?
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  And then Josh Kerr, like who said who said on the group chat
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  something about like Josh Kerr when he generally talks, he's
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  fit. Me.
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  Yeah. And so like, and then and then
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  George Mills had just run, what, 328 or something.
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  So I was like, I didn't know who to pick.
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  I figured it'd be one of those 3, but I couldn't pick tell you
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  which one. So we'll give you Robert Farkin
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  anyway. It was won by this young Kenyan
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  lad, he's apparently he's 18 and Kowich Fanuel Kipzogi in 328
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  which is actually at meet record.
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  Second was Josh Kerr in three 2937 and 3rd was Isaac Nader in
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  331. So other notable mentions Jake
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  Whiteman 4 to Jude Thomas in fifth in 332, Elliott Giles in
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  6th, Admiral Spencer in 8th, Oli Whore in 11th and unfortunately
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  Cam Myers in 13th. But I'm coming.
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  I think it was with hundred 200 to go, 250 to go and there was a
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  fall. So George Mills got caught up
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  with Cam Myers, Robert Farrakhan Oli whore got caught up in it.
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  So that really ruled out them boys.
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  But that glad it won at Coach Fanuel, Jeanie Mackie, he put
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  one into Josh Kerr, Genie Mac, some kick on him and did you
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  guys watch it? I did, yeah.
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  They, they set it up pretty well with the pacemaking, didn't
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  they? And I think was it George Mills
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  that went with the was behind the rabbits and then there was
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  behind him and they're all pretty well strung out.
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  This could be, I don't know, my double, double Trouble, but I
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  don't know, Just George Mills seemed to get into more than the
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  average person's number of fools, but he's fallen.
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  So many times. Yeah, well, and he was.
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  I was watching YouTube last week and he said he has a beer the
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  night before a race. Maybe.
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  Yeah, maybe he's drunk. Yeah, because like, I don't
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  know, he he was going backwards and then he caused a huge pile
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  up for like forever. Any other than I think the top
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  two maybe like even Jake Whiteman who finished fourth, I
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  think was a little bit caught up by it, wasn't he?
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  Yeah, I'm not sure. What do you think?
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  By that point, Mills was starting to go a little bit
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  backwards because he'd done a lot of the lead and then it's
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  kind of killed Whiteman and obviously Myers as well, because
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  they were coming through, weren't they?
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  Yeah, it would have been interesting to see how Cam Myers
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  would have finished that after he was coming up really, really
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  nice, but then just got, unfortunately he got caught up.
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  But that's racing, isn't it? Yeah, it is, yeah.
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  That I, I feel like that was one of my ex and the the other one
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  was like, I don't know that. Did you hear the commentators
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  before they were talking about the three British athletes that
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  were in the race that we sort of spoken about?
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  And then there was like that I think they'd make up three of
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  the top six fastest ever. And the other three of the top 6
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  being like Mo Farah, is it? Steve Cram and Sebco were all in
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  the crowd as well. And and sort of lights, all the
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  six sort of greatest smilers are all present.
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  And sort of it was sort of hyped up to be this really big
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  showdown and the like young, the 18 year old Kenyan athlete sort
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  of stole the show. And I don't know, I just felt
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  like in, in light of some of the recent news, I just, I don't
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  know, didn't know how to feel about it.
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  I just felt like there was like a, a special moment for like the
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  London Diamond League. Maybe, I don't know, didn't
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  quite feel as special as what it could have been.
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  Say with Josh, say if Josh Kerr, which he looked really good
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  right by 1 athlete, I would have you know, I was pretty excited
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  for him to win. Yeah, Ruth Chapman Gathich has
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  done this Fanwell Coetch absolutely no favours at all if
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  if all's well in his camp. Has she?
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  But yeah, the way he was able to pull away because it looked like
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  Josh was going to come past him at one point, didn't it?
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  And then he just got this insane stride out of nowhere and was
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  like pumping and driving his arms and just moved away
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  completely. And Josh is probably thinking
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  like, what we got to do here. Like I've I've had a kick left
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  in me and I've delivered it and it's done nothing.
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  Like I think if it Jacob Inger Britain still comes second to
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  this Efaniel Koich guy. Like he pulled up before the
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  line as well. Yeah, it's.
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  And he's 18. And he's 18, yeah.
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  As as per official records. Yeah, there's.
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  A little bit of doubt floating around about that age, isn't it?
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  Yeah, of course. Because he's already ran 327
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  this year as well. That guy his.
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  PB is 3/27/72. And there was another angle I
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  wanted to mention from this. So going into it, Jude Thomas
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  had the qualifier and so does Ollie Hall and obviously Cam
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  Myers does too. So there was eyes on Adam
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  Spencer because he was yet to have the auto qualifier.
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  So he needed to hit the time, but then also potentially beat
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  Jude Thomas and or Ollie Hall. So he's run the time, but but
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  Jude's finished ahead of him, but Olly Hall, who's got like a
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  331 or something like a faster qualifying time, has finished
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  below him. So I think it just leaves a lot
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  of uncertainty around that selection because he's put
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  himself in the mix essentially. Yeah.
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  So. So if you were to pick based on
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  that race and assuming Cam doesn't fall over, who would you
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  pick? Hypothetical.
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  I'll pick Cam Meyer. It's 3 isn't it?
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  I'm picking Cam Meyers, Jude Thomas and Ali Hor.
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  Same to you, Ron. Well, I think Cam's a walk,
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  isn't he? Like he's straight in and then
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  Jude seems to be in the best form.
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  Like he's just recently run the standard and now he's racing
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  well and stuff as well. So he goes, but then.
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  I don't know like. Ollie, like he's run a good
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  time, but isn't really off here much like recently, does he?
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  And like, Adam Spencer's a good championship racer.
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  Like he got into the semis or something.
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  And in one of the major championships before, hasn't he
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  like was the only one to get out the heat?
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  And then now he's got the time. He won nationals over here.
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  And you you're saying Cams have walked because he won nationals
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  or because of the four he's in? Yeah, I don't know, maybe I'm
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  just buying, buying into his his hype a bit too much, but he has
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  been running well all year I guess, hasn't he?
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  And he's starting to like be competitive in these like major
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  European mates. Yeah.
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  And each country, you know, like World Athletics, you have the
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  auto standard and then points. But I think each country then it
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  has its own selection policy and criteria.
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  And I'm pretty sure winning nationals and running the auto
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  standard, I thought maybe that guarantees your selection.
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  I think maybe has in the past. So I think maybe he is a Walker
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  anyway. So who would you land on, Dean?
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  Yeah, same. I think the same, yeah, based on
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  how it's going. Ollie, Ollie, Horace.
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  Like Jude, Ollie and Kim. Yeah.
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  Who got picked last year? Who got picked for the Paris
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  Olympics? Who?
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  Was Adam Spencer won nationals? So he went and Cam Myers missed
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  out and it was Stewie, wasn't it?
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  Oh yeah, it's fine. So Jude was not in the picture.
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  Yeah, Cam was already selected. I'm just looking.
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  But yeah, it's a good point, like all these races everyone's
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  racing for, like there's races within races which makes the
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  these mates super exciting. And I think because Josh Kerr
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  won the did he win worlds? Yeah, he's the reigning 1500
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  meter world champion, isn't he? From 2023.
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  Yeah, so I think in his national champs coming up now, he's
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  actually under the 5K. Yeah, because he's a auto
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  selected for the for the 1500, Yeah.
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  OK. So then who are the other two
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  that probably go for the OR is it selection in the in?
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  Yeah, you have to hit a standard and then get selected.
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  Like they're really strict. Yeah.
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  So if you fall, you're out. Hey, like in those?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because Elliott Giles fell in
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  his 1500s. That's right.
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  Yeah. And then he but he was lucky
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  enough to get selected in the eighth.
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  Yeah, But what does Josh Kerr run for 5K?
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  Probably just sits and kicks and runs 1335.
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  Yeah, what does he run in an LL5K?
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  What's he run like for 3K? He runs something under 3730
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  hasn't he? For 3K?
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  And he's run 62 for the half marathon or something like that.
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  Yeah, I think if he's fully fit under 13 minutes.
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  Yeah. Anyway, I was going to say I
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  don't think he'll have to run fast to win that 5K, but it
• 21:07
  depends if Mills is doing it or not.
• 21:10
  But Mills might be the same. He might be already pre selected
• 21:14
  for the 5K so we might opt for to do the 15 again.
• 21:17
  Yeah, when is that? That's the end.
• 21:19
  It's like 3, I think it's either the week, I think USA is 2 weeks
• 21:23
  away and then the UK ones are three weeks.
• 21:26
  So it's it's interesting. Good racing.
• 21:29
  Yeah, right. Moving on to the women's mile.
• 21:32
  So the men's was a 15 and the women's was a mile.
• 21:36
  Gudaf Tisigay won this race in 411, which was a meet record,
• 21:42
  world lead and a national record for Ethiopia.
• 21:45
  Second was Jess Hull in 413 and 3rd was Ireland's Sarah Healey
• 21:52
  in M416. Other Noble mentions what would
• 21:57
  be Linden Hall in 9th. She ran 4/19 for the mile.
• 22:01
  I'll be Caldwell sort of blew up a little bit and ran 4:20.
• 22:06
  And yeah, this race was crazy. I want to see gay.
• 22:12
  She went out so hard. So whatever, I can't do the
• 22:17
  Irish ones, you can't do the see the Europeans.
• 22:20
  Wait, so how do you say it? It's a guy.
• 22:23
  It's a guy, all right? Sick guy.
• 22:25
  Yeah. She went out hard.
• 22:27
  And you're 1 Halem I think. Yeah, she came.
• 22:31
  Yeah, she ended up finishing tenth.
• 22:33
  She went with her and oh boy, she blew up hard.
• 22:36
  But yeah, I'd say she had like a good 30 meter, 40 meter gap on
• 22:41
  the second group and then they slowly, just will slowly wound
• 22:45
  them in. But umm, Sigai held her off and
• 22:49
  she had something left in the last 200.
• 22:51
  But yeah, I thought she was in serious trouble when she I think
• 22:54
  she ran like a 62nd. First lap.
• 22:57
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is just running, which is
• 23:01
  a mile the hard way. Which is that fight to keep yay
• 23:04
  gone chasing 4 pace like it, you know, no one has ever been able
• 23:09
  to run at that pace and it's just crazy.
• 23:11
  Like they've got the pacing lights.
• 23:12
  They knew like, yeah, I don't know.
• 23:15
  She she's just wild. But hey, because she she did
• 23:18
  this was it in the Olympics? I think as well last year.
• 23:21
  I think she just, I don't know if she wrecked her Olympics, but
• 23:24
  like she did the 1500 and 5K and she's just, she just sends it
• 23:28
  like. Just is she the one?
• 23:30
  On a Tuesday, you know, just going hard.
• 23:34
  Was was she on the back of Chibet last week in the 5K and
• 23:37
  then that 200 meters out she's the one who stopped.
• 23:40
  Yeah. What the hell?
• 23:41
  She's a crazy like. And then you think when when
• 23:44
  Jess closes the gap on the bell, you're like, oh, Jess is like
• 23:47
  time this perfectly. She's going to breeze past.
• 23:49
  Then she just found something and went again, didn't she?
• 23:52
  Yeah. Yeah, she's, but that was an
• 23:55
  area record as well. By Jess Hall By.
• 23:57
  The way that was lowering her own.
• 24:00
  Yeah. And weren't they because I think
• 24:02
  that was the commentators are saying so faith keep you.
• 24:04
  Aegon has the world record. And then the the the second
• 24:08
  fastest time until this race just gone for the women's mile
• 24:12
  was held by Sufan Hassan, I think in like was it 413 or
• 24:17
  something like I think. And so I think these times might
• 24:19
  have been at least one or both were inside that as like second
• 24:23
  like so they go like 2 and four or two and three fastest times
• 24:26
  for the mile ever, I think. Sad point, it doesn't bode too
• 24:30
  well for hopefully not like hopefully she's just focusing on
• 24:34
  Sydney, but the fact that Hassam was ADNS here, hopefully
• 24:38
  nothing's. Wrong.
• 24:41
  The next race was the women's 5K, which was won by Elsa Medina
• 24:47
  in 1430. Then it was Fantea Billena in.
• 24:56
  This is why, right? You have to read the results,
• 24:59
  right? Like.
• 24:59
  I'm glad you're doing this on. I I didn't know the names are so
• 25:03
  hard. Like said nothing.
• 25:08
  Yeah, so the winner ran 1430.57, second was 1430.9 and then Rosie
• 25:15
  Davis came in 3rd in 1431, which was an area record, and George
• 25:21
  Griffith ran. I think it's Rose Davies, but I
• 25:26
  don't mind that one. We should get Rosie Davis.
• 25:31
  You switched the eyes between the 1st and I.
• 25:34
  Know where? So we're mates.
• 25:35
  So I call her Rosie. And 5th came Georgia Griffiths
• 25:41
  in 14. Yeah.
• 25:43
  Oh yeah. Fifth came Georgia Griffiths in
• 25:47
  1432 which was a PB for her. Hannah Nuttall from England was
• 25:54
  11th. That was big PB for her in 1439.
• 25:57
  But all these times are crazy fast guys like all these women
• 26:00
  are running like in the 1440s for 5K which is the.
• 26:04
  Standard is 1450, so everyone who's finished the race has run
• 26:08
  the standard. Wow.
• 26:12
  Yeah, the girls. George Griffith done so much
• 26:14
  work in this race. So there was like 2 groups and
• 26:17
  George Griffith was she didn't go with the lead group so she
• 26:20
  had like 50 meters to close and she went off by herself and
• 26:24
  slowly closed that. And yeah, she's rewarded with a
• 26:26
  massive PB. Next up, men's 800 winner was
• 26:31
  Manuel Wignani in 142 flat, which was a meet record.
• 26:37
  Second was Marco Arop in 142.22 which was a season's best for
• 26:43
  him, 3rd Max Bergen 142.36 which was APB for Max and 4th was
• 26:50
  Bryce Hoppel in 142.71. Other normal mention, Mark
• 26:56
  English came seventh in 144.07, Ethan Hussey from the UK 144.3
• 27:03
  and Ben Patterson would not have been happy with a 146.08.
• 27:10
  Again, 142 for an 800, Absolutely bonkers.
• 27:14
  But yeah, that one you only guys fit.
• 27:19
  Felt like the, the women's 5K was like so much fun to watch.
• 27:22
  Like in just having a couple of Aussies just keeping up with
• 27:25
  like a pack of Ethiopians, you know, like it was not at least
• 27:28
  it was fun that fun to see and like going from 1450s to 1430s
• 27:33
  like a big jump. So it was pretty cool to have
• 27:35
  like like 2 Aussies running that fast.
• 27:37
  Like, I don't know, pretty exciting.
• 27:38
  Like you think they're now might probably more likely to make the
• 27:41
  final right for world champs, which is cool.
• 27:45
  You're thinking Rose Davis could win it at one point, weren't
• 27:48
  you? Yeah.
• 27:49
  Yeah, because, you know, she kicks, she can kick super fast.
• 27:51
  So you sort of like can she? But the the top, was it two or
• 27:55
  three Ethiopians? They look so good on that back
• 27:58
  straight in the last lap is just, I would, I don't know,
• 28:01
  they're pretty classy. So is Georgia Griffiths a 5K
• 28:05
  runner now? Yeah, well, looks that way.
• 28:07
  There's been a bit of question marks over recently, hasn't
• 28:09
  there. But then I think she also ran at
• 28:11
  800 in the week, like 159 or something as well.
• 28:14
  So I. Mean, yeah, I don't know, she's
• 28:16
  kind of like time and isn't she? She's like the Australian record
• 28:19
  holder for the three Ki think she run like 824 or something.
• 28:23
  824 and 1432 just just got you on.
• 28:27
  We'll see, I have a 5K in two weeks.
• 28:33
  Oh, another note mentioned, was that English girl in insurance
• 28:38
  or Ryan help? Oh yeah.
• 28:41
  Yeah. Inez Fitzgerald, She's like 20
• 28:44
  odd. Is she 20 years old or
• 28:46
  something? She ran 1439, which was like
• 28:50
  some UK or European record. Under 20.
• 28:53
  Under 20, yeah. Yeah, crazy stuff under 20 year
• 28:58
  old. Did you guys, did you guys find
• 29:00
  that 800 was just a bit like after last week's 1 was just not
• 29:04
  that exciting like cuz they built the last?
• 29:06
  Was it Monaco up? That's not as excited.
• 29:09
  You're thinking when Yoni had lost it at one point, aren't you
• 29:14
  looking how did Marco a Rock got got himself into the lead and
• 29:17
  he's in lane one and he's still, he's a massive guy.
• 29:21
  Like he looks like a buddy, A basketball player or an NFL
• 29:24
  player or something. And he's managed to leave space
• 29:27
  on the inside of his own lane for one.
• 29:29
  You need to squeeze back the inside.
• 29:33
  That's London net. Is that the last big Diamond
• 29:35
  League before? There's a big lull now, is
• 29:37
  there? Because there's going to be
• 29:39
  nationals for all the countries, and then they'll probably just
• 29:42
  go away for before Tokyo. Yeah, it was seemed good though,
• 29:45
  didn't it? Like it was sold out and like
• 29:47
  the atmosphere and stuff like that.
• 29:48
  That's the type of meet you need, isn't it?
• 29:51
  To kind of, yeah, a little bit export.
• 29:54
  But guys, even the little meats in Ireland there last week and
• 29:57
  like they were all like packed as well.
• 29:59
  It's crazy how like popular and big like running has has gotten
• 30:04
  like even like people that don't run will just rock up and like
• 30:06
  actually go and watch the watch the event.
• 30:10
  It's crazy. So I was through the rest of the
• 30:16
  results from the week before, the main events of London.
• 30:20
  So on Tuesday last week, or might have been even earlier
• 30:23
  than Tuesdays might have been Last Sunday, Jack Rayner had his
• 30:26
  first race in a while in a 3000 meters in Marseille.
• 30:30
  He ran 748 high, which I think he would have been not too happy
• 30:35
  about because I think he mentioned he wanted to run 730
• 30:39
  something and he was in finishing seventh behind Scott
• 30:43
  BT of the UK sort of context. He's part of that Team Macau,
• 30:47
  who we've done YouTube Diaries on before.
• 30:50
  He ran a 7:45 for 3rd. Interesting here because Jack
• 30:55
  has the standard from the indoors back in Boston and so
• 31:00
  does Kai Robinson. And obviously as we know, Seth
• 31:03
  O'Donnell has just gone to Europe now with his his new Nike
• 31:07
  deal chasing sometimes and he started to run.
• 31:10
  I think he's done a 15 and 337 and a 5K and 1313 or something
• 31:18
  the other night. Is it 1713?
• 31:20
  Seventeen. Yeah.
• 31:21
  Guys, did you see and wear the full Nike on the plane?
• 31:28
  Did you see where singlet? Like singlet please.
• 31:33
  Like sitting in a plane because he was afraid his bag was going
• 31:36
  to get lost or something. So, so like often you you're
• 31:42
  told like take as carry on your racing flats and stuff just in
• 31:46
  case you lose your bag. You know where.
• 31:49
  Yeah. No, no, I'm not saying we're in
• 31:53
  the actual race day kit to ensure that you don't forget it.
• 31:57
  You know, I'm sure there's a bit on that YouTube video where it
• 32:00
  cuts to him like in the seat on the flight and it's only like a
• 32:05
  very brief image, but I'm sure he's got arm sleeves on as well.
• 32:13
  Oh, he's so. Funny.
• 32:15
  And then his class like his manager or someone rings him and
• 32:19
  this is on the YouTube as well. He's on the phone and the guy's
• 32:22
  like, oh, this, There's a bit of chatter online about you wearing
• 32:25
  the race kit on the flight, you know, some boy.
• 32:32
  But yeah, be interesting to see how he goes in his pursuit of
• 32:35
  the standards. So he's running out of time, but
• 32:38
  I'm sure he's going to cram a few races.
• 32:39
  Then moving on to the European Under 23 Championships, which I
• 32:43
  don't actually know where these have been held, I haven't
• 32:46
  looked, but I've seen that an Irish girl won the 10,000
• 32:50
  meters, Owen, Annika Thompson. Yeah, I've seen that as well.
• 32:54
  And I've never heard of that kid before in my whole life, which
• 32:56
  is, yeah. Wow, She must be.
• 32:58
  I'm presuming she's in College in America because normally they
• 33:00
  go over young and like to get really good and you only hear on
• 33:03
  them then when they come back and do these like, sort of major
• 33:05
  championships. But yeah, like 3231 for like a
• 33:10
  championship race as well. Like that's crazy.
• 33:13
  There was a men's 5000 meters which was won by Nails Laros
• 33:17
  which if we recall back to the pre classic mile, he's the guy
• 33:21
  who closed from absolutely miles back.
• 33:24
  So no surprises that he's won in an under 23 field there.
• 33:29
  But he's run 1344 to be again an Irishman, Nick Griggs in second
• 33:35
  and a Brit Will Barnaco in 3rd. Yeah, Nick Griggs is pretty
• 33:39
  legit his I think that's his like 6th European medal and he's
• 33:43
  like again 20 to 21. So yeah, like Larus is just like
• 33:48
  a level above all them log again like he's going.
• 33:50
  Is he gone? Is that Nick Griggs?
• 33:53
  Is he at AUS college or was? No.
• 33:56
  So he's he's from up north in Ireland, but he's like just
• 34:01
  based in Ireland. He's sponsored by Puma.
• 34:03
  OK, say that full time professional.
• 34:06
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Isn't he the guy who's like best
• 34:09
  on the scene when he was like 16 or something?
• 34:12
  Ran a stupid mile. Yeah, and he had the park run
• 34:15
  world record as well there for a little bit until they took them
• 34:17
  away. I always get confused when I say
• 34:19
  his name, like am I familiar with him as an athlete?
• 34:22
  But then him you know the Will Griggs that always comes into my
• 34:31
  head and the women's 800 still in the European under 23
• 34:35
  championships. I don't know this girl as an
• 34:38
  athlete, but I've seen the time and I thought is worthy ever
• 34:40
  mentioned. So Audrey wear out a Swiss girl
• 34:44
  as round 15742 to win that. So that's the fifth fastest time
• 34:49
  across seniors in 2025. Like 157 wins, most 800 meter
• 34:54
  races regardless of the meet. So we'll we'll keep an eye out
• 34:57
  for her in Tokyo, especially because the the women's 8 is
• 35:01
  potentially a little bit weak this year.
• 35:02
  Like we've seen Georgia Bell, Georgia Hunter Bell win in
• 35:06
  London on Saturday. So it's open to anyone unless
• 35:10
  Keely comes back firing. She might do double hay that she
• 35:17
  the Olympics last year. Yeah, she can run them both,
• 35:20
  can't she, to be fair. And then I think typically the
• 35:24
  800 is there secondary event, but then winning that last night
• 35:28
  and with the lack of field potentially might sway, are you
• 35:31
  right? Yeah, Yeah.
• 35:33
  I think that they said it was like the second is the second
• 35:35
  fastest time this year. 156 is like rapid.
• 35:38
  It's funny, like when you look at the old time lists for that,
• 35:41
  the fastest are from like the 80s and the 90s and apparently
• 35:44
  there's just crazy doping going on with like the Russians and
• 35:47
  the Chinese wasn't there. Yeah, there's totally hope.
• 35:51
  Yeah, probably not the same gear based on the size of some of the
• 35:54
  athletes back then. Maybe.
• 35:57
  Just to note, there's also still to come a women's 1500 and 5000,
• 36:02
  which haven't been at the time of recording, and a men's 800
• 36:05
  meters, which includes A Brit, Henry Jonas, who's ran 14144.1
• 36:11
  in his in his heat and he's up against Niels Laros in the final
• 36:15
  of that. So interesting to see how that
• 36:17
  plays out. Moving on to the European meets
• 36:20
  in midweek, like there's literally something on every
• 36:22
  night at the minute. It's so hard to keep up with it.
• 36:25
  But there was a Grand Prix Brescia in Italy and there we
• 36:30
  had Rose Davis was in this 1500 meters.
• 36:33
  She's around four O 9. Sophie O'Sullivan was in behind
• 36:36
  her in 5th place with the 4:10. And there's another Irish girl
• 36:40
  there, Jodie McCann, 413. There was a women's 800 meters
• 36:45
  again, Australians in there, Georgia Griffith and oh, this is
• 36:48
  the 159 I was referencing. She's around 159.75 for a fourth
• 36:53
  place finish. So I mean, these guys who are
• 36:56
  over in Europe, like they must do some travel to be fair
• 36:58
  because they're moving from city to city almost like every other
• 37:01
  day. I don't know if you have noticed
• 37:03
  it but especially following like the Toms and stuff over there,
• 37:07
  their journey there seems to be a new country every day.
• 37:11
  So I commend these people who managed to stay at peak fitness
• 37:14
  whilst going through this travel as well.
• 37:16
  It's kind of like a underrated aspect of it.
• 37:20
  And sort of to your point earlier about the World
• 37:23
  Athletics quota system, and like, I think the creation of
• 37:27
  the quota system and the creation of a split between
• 37:30
  ranking points and auto times means that you're going to have
• 37:34
  all these athletes wanting to get to the fastest meets they
• 37:37
  can and therefore making the meets as as quality as they can
• 37:41
  to try and as they chase the points ahead of peaking for a
• 37:44
  world champ. So it's sort of, yeah, like all
• 37:47
  the Aussie athletes finish their, we finish our track in
• 37:50
  April. And then you've got all this
• 37:51
  time over in European summer going to these meets.
• 37:54
  But I would imagine it's the same the world over.
• 37:56
  Everyone's trying to get into these competitions, which, which
• 37:59
  because of the world ranking system being what it is, people
• 38:03
  are incentivized to want to get into them, which is just which
• 38:06
  it just makes makes for better athletics, which is yeah, I, I
• 38:10
  really like how they how the system works at the minute.
• 38:14
  Over to Belgium on Wednesday night in Liege, there was a
• 38:17
  women's 5000 meters where Mordy Skyring ran the qualifier.
• 38:22
  So she's run 1449.93 to win the race.
• 38:25
  So she's dipped under the qualifier by 7 hundredths of a
• 38:29
  second there. I'm not sure if that might be a
• 38:32
  first or maybe she's done it once before sub 15.
• 38:35
  But yeah, incredible run to get the time there.
• 38:39
  Izzy back. Doyle was also in that race just
• 38:42
  4 seconds behind that with a 1453 and another Australian not
• 38:47
  rule was back in 6th in 15 O 9. So I'm not sure if maybe Izzy's
• 38:53
  attention might turn towards a 10K now, but off the top of my
• 38:57
  head I'm not sure what big 10K meets are coming up.
• 39:01
  There's probably another one, is there not?
• 39:03
  Nah, on the track. Yeah.
• 39:06
  Nah, because they're all there's no meats now because of the
• 39:08
  national championships coming up.
• 39:09
  So I'd say this was like the sort of last chance and it's.
• 39:12
  Interesting that we're like other.
• 39:14
  Sorry, I want you there. There was a fast meet in Belgium
• 39:18
  last night. It was something like Hudson
• 39:20
  something. I'm surprised she didn't.
• 39:22
  You'll come on to it later. I'm surprised she didn't pick
• 39:25
  that one because that is just like a faster meet.
• 39:29
  But yeah, I don't know what she'd do now.
• 39:31
  Yeah, with Rose and Georgia running the time last night as
• 39:35
  well, and then Maudie's got it there.
• 39:37
  It's tough. So she's back on the marathon
• 39:39
  train. Well, it's not bad to fall back
• 39:42
  on, is it? She's she's got the entry there,
• 39:45
  but she was just toying with whether she was going to take it
• 39:47
  or do one of the track ones, I think.
• 39:50
  So what does she have to qualify for the 10?
• 39:52
  No. I don't think anyone does like
• 39:54
  yeah, I'll have to check the quota ranking system says, but I
• 39:59
  don't think, what is it, 3020? I think something silly.
• 40:02
  And again, it's sort of set so fast because it's like a 27
• 40:07
  person. Quota to fill, you know, so then
• 40:09
  you're trying to just get 13. If it's 50%, you're trying to
• 40:13
  set a standard that only 13 people run based on three per
• 40:17
  country. I mean, it's probably 30 between
• 40:19
  Ethiopia and Kenya that run it, but outside of that that that's
• 40:23
  6. I mean, looking at the rankings,
• 40:25
  it says she's in at the minute. So you've got Lauren Ryan is in
• 40:29
  16th on the on the rankings list.
• 40:31
  Like across the world. You forgot about her because
• 40:33
  she's based in America. Then Rose Davis is is in there
• 40:38
  in 23rd, but potentially she might just look to do the five
• 40:42
  you don't know and then is he's 25th.
• 40:46
  So I mean, I don't know whether these are due to be updated or
• 40:49
  not, but hopefully. So at the moment for the 5K it's
• 40:52
  Lauren Ryan, Georgia Griffiths and Rosie Davis.
• 40:58
  Is it? No, were you?
• 40:59
  You're talking about the 10K then, right?
• 41:01
  I was reading the ten. Yeah, in the five.
• 41:05
  It might be what you've just said there.
• 41:06
  Oh, Linden Hall's got got one as well.
• 41:09
  Sheesh. Yeah, we'll see.
• 41:11
  Let's, let's leave it up to the selectors.
• 41:17
  There was also a men's 1500 meters at that meet in Belgium,
• 41:21
  which was run by a Belgian athletes.
• 41:24
  But in second was Henry Mcclucky, who if we think back
• 41:27
  to last week's episode, he won. Was it the meet that you were
• 41:31
  at? Owen?
• 41:31
  He won the 3000 there in a very quick time.
• 41:35
  So he's run 335 for 2nd. And then Carl Davis Australia
• 41:41
  had his first of two 330 sixes in quick succession because he
• 41:46
  also ran in Madrid on Saturday night and ran another 336.
• 41:51
  There was another Belgian meet in actually don't know
• 41:54
  whereabouts in Belgium it was. It was the one I was on about in
• 41:58
  Hudson something. It's a really fast one.
• 42:01
  Yeah. So those boys have obviously
• 42:03
  been after the 5000 meter qualifier there, haven't they?
• 42:05
  Because the guy Isaac Camelli, who's born is around 30 and O,
• 42:08
  1.39 and I think the times 30 and O. 131 yeah, that's brutal.
• 42:16
  Brian Faye was second in 30 and OA.
• 42:18
  He's got he's edging closer and further down was Dara Mcelhenny
• 42:23
  in 1312 and Scott Beatty Debris 1327 and also James W 1334.
• 42:31
  So the British guys haven't haven't got much going on over
• 42:36
  the 5000 meters at the minute. Like formerly James West has
• 42:40
  been like national champion right up there in the
• 42:43
  international scene as well. But it seems like only George
• 42:46
  Mills can kind of do it at the minute.
• 42:50
  Well, Scott B has run thirteen O 3 or 4, hasn't he?
• 42:54
  Has he run that low? I knew he's run in the teens, I
• 42:57
  thought. But.
• 42:58
  I think he's run super low. Yeah.
• 43:00
  So on his day, he'll be there thereabouts.
• 43:03
  But it's just like guys 13 O1. It's just it's crazy fast.
• 43:08
  Like it's it's crazy. It's not fair.
• 43:13
  Yeah, yeah. It's important to take a step
• 43:15
  back when you're reading these results and almost saying it in
• 43:18
  a manner of like, come on, guys, why aren't you running faster?
• 43:20
  But it's just because like the the other ridiculous people that
• 43:24
  you have to compare them to when you're on that national and
• 43:26
  international stage. But we're probably going to
• 43:29
  touch on it like later, like the people who are doping are
• 43:34
  raising these standards to like a ridiculous level that like are
• 43:38
  actually not achievable. It's got a knock on effect the
• 43:41
  whole way down the ladder, which is it can be detrimental to
• 43:45
  someone's running career like because the standards are like
• 43:48
  let's say Dan Mcalheny, 1312 is a really, really, really good
• 43:51
  time if them boys aren't weren't doping and running 1240s and
• 43:57
  1230s. Like the standard will be like
• 44:00
  1310 or 1315, which is normal. It's just that domino effect it
• 44:04
  has on everyone. Yeah, 1305, he has run there.
• 44:08
  You're right. 1304 even. Good segue indeed.
• 44:13
  Does that bring us to it? She's here we are.
• 44:16
  So for anyone who's been sleeping under a rock for the
• 44:21
  past week, Ruth Chapman Gasich, who's the women's world record
• 44:25
  holder in the marathon, who's run 20950 something in Chicago
• 44:30
  last year, has been suspended for taking a masking agent.
• 44:36
  Wasn't it? It's hydro hydrochlor or
• 44:39
  something. So she hasn't been caught with
• 44:41
  EPO or any of the actual like drugs that enhance performance,
• 44:45
  but it's the thing that masks these things.
• 44:48
  So it doesn't look good either way.
• 44:50
  So Chris Chavez from Citius Mag posted the timeline on on X in
• 44:55
  the week and it kind of sums it up and gives a really good
• 44:57
  picture as to what's gone on. So I'll whiz through it and then
• 45:01
  we can we can get you each other's opinion.
• 45:03
  So October 13th, it was where she ran that ridiculous world
• 45:07
  record. And then there was all sorts of
• 45:10
  chaos because she was asked about it almost a bit indirectly
• 45:14
  in the press conference afterwards, someone said about
• 45:17
  the number of dopant cases in Kenya.
• 45:19
  What would you say to someone who is a bit sceptical?
• 45:23
  And her response was, I don't have any idea.
• 45:26
  And the journalists then followed it up by saying some
• 45:29
  people might think that's too fast, what would you say?
• 45:32
  And she said she just said, you know, people must talk.
• 45:35
  People must talk, but I don't know.
• 45:39
  So I mean, looking at all this with hindsight, like it's, it's
• 45:41
  hard to read, isn't it really? Then a couple of days later,
• 45:45
  Kenyan parliament's actually came out and they were, they
• 45:48
  were kind of slagging this guy off the journalist who'd asked
• 45:51
  the questions, demanding an apology and like kind of
• 45:55
  legitimizing what Ruth had done and asking everyone to praise
• 45:58
  her and all this sorts of nonsense.
• 46:01
  So it doesn't make them look good as federation or an
• 46:05
  organization, however they would picture themselves now that
• 46:09
  they've defended that and all this has come out.
• 46:12
  On December 11th, the world record was ratified, which is
• 46:15
  the actual sad part about this because they haven't actually
• 46:18
  caused it open at the time. It's been after the fact.
• 46:22
  I think it was around Lisbon in February.
• 46:24
  So that means that despite all of these findings, her world
• 46:29
  record, her 209, actually stands and is still by definition
• 46:34
  legitimate, which is like completely insane.
• 46:39
  December 31st she raced to 10K in Madrid and ran 3132, which
• 46:44
  was slower than what she split 10K through the marathon by over
• 46:47
  a minute In February. She actually raced, Yeah.
• 46:53
  I still remember that, yeah. In February she said she'll be
• 46:57
  racing the Lisbon half and in March she ran one O 620 at the
• 47:01
  Lisbon half which is slower than her one O 4 O2 PB and the one O
• 47:06
  416 that she split in Chicago. Later on in March she test
• 47:12
  positive for Hydrochlorothiazide.
• 47:16
  April the 3rd the test is reported to the AIU.
• 47:19
  April the 16th, she's notified of the positive test and was
• 47:23
  interviewed by the AIU in Kenya two days later, which if you can
• 47:27
  piece all this together, April the 18th, she withdrew from the
• 47:31
  London Marathon. So remember when that was a news
• 47:33
  item and she said I'm not in the physical or the mental shape or
• 47:38
  something along those lines, wasn't it?
• 47:41
  Which just reads so differently now and then.
• 47:45
  So she's taken her provisional ban from that moment she's like
• 47:49
  volunteered to start the provisional ban and in reading
• 47:52
  about it apparently because this masking agent is like on a lower
• 47:57
  level class of drug as per the AIU rules like it's not EPA or
• 48:02
  something. The ban only carries 2 years I
• 48:06
  think. So she's started her two years
• 48:09
  immediately from April when she like voluntarily accepted it,
• 48:13
  even though it's only come into place now.
• 48:15
  So yeah, she'll be back in April 27 with a world record probably
• 48:20
  still in hand, probably the prize money still there as well,
• 48:23
  and still be in a 2 times Chicago winner and a World
• 48:28
  Championships winner. This one like sort of actually
• 48:32
  made me mad. It was like, I don't know, it
• 48:36
  just really, really pissed me off.
• 48:37
  This one, like in that marathon she ran like ridiculous 5K
• 48:41
  split, I think. Did you run a 5 KPB on A10 KPB
• 48:44
  in that marathon in Chicago? She ran the 6th fastest half
• 48:48
  marathon ever. Yeah, and it goes even deeper.
• 48:52
  Like I'll actually share on our Instagram later, but this Irish
• 48:56
  lad does a bit of digging and it's like a 10 minute video of
• 48:59
  him like chatting about it but like her agency.
• 49:02
  Yeah, I wanted to. Yeah.
• 49:06
  Because who's she represented by?
• 49:07
  By? I forget, I've forgotten his.
• 49:09
  What's his name again? It's.
• 49:11
  A Francesco Rosa or something? Like that, That's it.
• 49:14
  Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so I think within the
• 49:17
  agency, they've had like 5 World Marathon major champions and
• 49:22
  five have been popped. And when you look at the
• 49:24
  athletes, who else are a part of that agency, I'm just saying
• 49:27
  who's a part of the agency now? I'm not saying that they're on
• 49:29
  Anton Blame Tibet is a part of that agency.
• 49:32
  Your man Aragawe from Ethiopia at the 5K runner with the lads,
• 49:36
  he's on in that agency. Like there's some pretty big
• 49:38
  names there. But the fact that there is like
• 49:42
  a history of people getting popped, like it's just, it's
• 49:45
  just not fair. They need to like never be able
• 49:49
  to. Huge names, right?
• 49:50
  But they like I, I think like Jemima, is it some gong?
• 49:55
  Like she won like the 2012 Olympics, I think.
• 49:58
  And she later test positive. And I still remember watching
• 50:02
  the women's Olympic marathon, like super excited to watch that
• 50:05
  watching. But you're watching the person
• 50:07
  break away and win the race, and now you're just, I don't know,
• 50:11
  it's sort of the whole complexion of all these races
• 50:13
  would change, you know, And the moments for people are all gone.
• 50:16
  Like it's. Yeah, I don't know.
• 50:18
  It's. Not rotten, isn't it?
• 50:20
  And it stinks. It's it makes watching it
• 50:23
  difficult because naturally, like you say, you see that guy
• 50:27
  beat Josh Kerr on on Saturday and you're like, first thing
• 50:30
  you're thinking is I wonder, like in six months time will,
• 50:34
  will we be thinking differently about this guy?
• 50:36
  Like it's, it's a horrible way to be watching the sport.
• 50:40
  And the annoying thing is like it's when she actually ran this
• 50:43
  run, it's like it was so obvious to everyone at the time.
• 50:46
  Like it kind of was a bit taboo. Like no one really wanted to say
• 50:50
  it, but everyone's thinking it and now it comes out it's just
• 50:53
  like, for God's sake. Like we also have to like push
• 50:58
  on. She has not been caught actually
• 51:00
  taking the drugs. So they have like finessed the
• 51:03
  system. They know how to get by.
• 51:05
  It's just the thing that stops them testing positive like that
• 51:09
  hydrochlorides, whatever side that I think that makes you like
• 51:13
  piss. So like you flush it at your
• 51:15
  system. And so again, she has not tested
• 51:18
  positive for the drug. She's tested positive for the
• 51:21
  thing that hides the drug. So yeah, it's just, it's so
• 51:24
  deep. Kenya is so rotten.
• 51:26
  And they're just like the the sanctions aren't strong enough.
• 51:30
  Like if you get popped, you should never be allowed to run
• 51:33
  again in a competitive race. Give all your money back.
• 51:35
  This woman, she ran, she won Chicago twice and she got the
• 51:39
  world record. Like, that is generational
• 51:40
  wealth for her. She's happy out.
• 51:42
  She gets 2 year ban. She can train for two years.
• 51:44
  Chill out. It's just so not fair.
• 51:47
  And like, yeah. All all your honors should be
• 51:49
  stripped of you. Like she shouldn't be able to be
• 51:51
  a Chicago winner, a world winner.
• 51:54
  And like with the SO she got popped after Chicago so do
• 51:57
  people just think she magically started taking drugs like after
• 52:00
  she ran a 209? Like it doesn't make sense.
• 52:03
  Like strip everything from her. Like poor Emily Sisson, she came
• 52:07
  second in Chicago in 2022. Could she have been the first
• 52:10
  woman to ever win like the world, an American world major
• 52:14
  or American woman or something like that?
• 52:16
  There's massive knock on effects for everyone and it's just
• 52:18
  fucking bullshit at this stage. Yeah, not good.
• 52:21
  And then like, it's like you say that the agents like the coach,
• 52:24
  whoever he is, like, how is he like still getting away with it
• 52:27
  and being able to represent athletes?
• 52:30
  It makes you wonder like, what is going on behind the scenes?
• 52:33
  Like there's so much evidence just screaming at this guy.
• 52:37
  And like, why has nothing been done about it properly?
• 52:40
  Like why? Why is Kenya not been formally
• 52:42
  investigated in in a deeper level?
• 52:45
  Oh, and I think I read somewhere that fair enough, she might get
• 52:48
  some of her earnings stripped, but the percentage that went to
• 52:51
  the agent doesn't get taken so she gets to keep it.
• 52:55
  He gets paid, he's done. His job, he got it through the
• 52:57
  drugs test. It's just, yeah, you can't.
• 53:02
  And it's terrible for your man. Like that 18 year old kid from
• 53:04
  Kenya, like he could be just a generation of talent, but now he
• 53:08
  sort of has dirt on his name because he's from Kenya and you
• 53:11
  think, oh, what if? Yeah, the thing that she was
• 53:15
  caught taken Owen, it does it makes you we more so it
• 53:18
  obviously like flushes it out. And I read that they allow for,
• 53:24
  I can't remember what the measurement says, but it's 20
• 53:26
  nanomoles or whatever the measurement says they allow for
• 53:29
  that in case of like cross contamination and stuff like
• 53:32
  that. So the amount that they found in
• 53:34
  her was 3800. So it was 190 times over the
• 53:40
  allowed. Limits like come on.
• 53:43
  And I don't get why is only released like there during the
• 53:46
  week when she was like actually caught mid-april.
• 53:48
  I think just in case of you don't want to, you don't want to
• 53:53
  allege someone stoked when you're not like I think there's
• 53:56
  a, a process that has to follow. I think after the positive
• 53:58
  sample, before they're like, like, let's say they think they
• 54:01
  have a positive sample, but it's later proven not to be in the
• 54:04
  case that's thrown out. Then I think there's the right
• 54:06
  for privacy rather than incorrectly alert someone.
• 54:09
  I think. Have you guys seen that?
• 54:12
  Sorry. There.
• 54:14
  You go, did you guys ever, do you ever listen to the Real
• 54:16
  Science of Sport podcast? Did you ever hear the one when
• 54:20
  they tried to quantify her improvement and try and see if
• 54:25
  it was the shoes and what maybe made sense in terms of like how
• 54:30
  it whether or not the performance was actually true or
• 54:34
  real? Yeah, it was a very fair debate.
• 54:37
  Yeah. And these guys doing a great job
• 54:39
  of just sort of trying to bring clients to the to the discussion
• 54:44
  and they tried to quantify her personal improvement and tried
• 54:48
  to see if it was possible and sort of left it for listeners to
• 54:53
  decide whether or not at the time we thought the performance
• 54:56
  was a fair performance. It was, yeah.
• 54:58
  Really interesting discussion. So if anyone's, you know, like
• 55:02
  you'll be interested to listen back to that with the benefit of
• 55:04
  hindsight. And then just a couple of days
• 55:06
  ago, they released like a little emergency podcast reflection.
• 55:10
  I think post that, I've not listened to it yet, but I think
• 55:13
  that'll be an interesting listen as well because those guys do
• 55:16
  their best to sort of just commentate on sports as like
• 55:19
  sort of leading experts as sports scientists.
• 55:22
  So yeah, I'm keen to hear their reflections on that.
• 55:25
  But I think I remember when they released that podcast sort of
• 55:30
  where I where I ended up was struggling to see how it was
• 55:34
  physically, like how how it was possible, Like they sort of
• 55:37
  presented all these factors and I struggled to walk away with
• 55:40
  saying it was legitimate. It's funny you say that because
• 55:45
  I actually did go back and listen to at least parts of it
• 55:48
  on the back of the news because I thought, same as you, it'd be
• 55:51
  an interesting reflection with hindsight.
• 55:53
  And I did and noted a couple of things.
• 55:55
  And it's annoying because it's like when you listen to it now
• 55:58
  now in the outcome, it's like screamingly obvious.
• 56:02
  So they said her performance in that marathon using Jack Daniels
• 56:07
  formula is equivalent to a sub 4 minute mile for for the women.
• 56:11
  And obviously we've just seen how Faith Kippy a gone with all
• 56:15
  of Nikes technological advancements, has got on trying
• 56:18
  to do that. It's equivalent to 28 O six in
• 56:23
  the 10,000 meters, which hasn't 29 been broken like once or
• 56:27
  something or maybe not even And Paula Radcliffe's world record
• 56:33
  at the time the 215 was it. It took them 16 years to to
• 56:37
  break that barrier and Chapman Getich's run was 10 seconds per
• 56:43
  mile quicker clips. It's just sickening.
• 56:50
  But like, obviously we're on the back foot because you're trying
• 56:53
  to catch them after the fact. And like, clearly there is a
• 56:58
  problem whereby the doctors who are helping them do one step
• 57:02
  ahead of like the the investigators in the AIU.
• 57:06
  But there must be the knowledge out there with clean, legitimate
• 57:09
  doctors who must know how they're possibly going to try
• 57:13
  and get around these these rules.
• 57:15
  So they should work with like good doctors to figure out what
• 57:19
  methodologies they'll be using and try and catch them in the
• 57:22
  act or prevent them from even doing it.
• 57:25
  I'd say it's hard to find a good doctor over there when they're
• 57:27
  offered like a couple of grand to literally just hide it.
• 57:30
  Like it's so rotten. Like you need to come down so
• 57:33
  hard on these guys now. Like at what stage does like a
• 57:37
  national band come in just bang Kenya?
• 57:39
  Like I know it would be crazy because Kipchoge is gone then
• 57:43
  like there's so many big names gone.
• 57:46
  Like, is it too hard? Is it too harsh on the people
• 57:48
  that aren't doping? But like, then again, you don't
• 57:51
  know, like, at what stage do we do?
• 57:53
  Do they put down the big band? Something's got to give.
• 57:56
  Be interesting to see what happens on the back of this now
• 57:58
  and you're wearing it and then all.
• 58:01
  I don't know if you've seen all the listeners clearly feel very
• 58:04
  similar, if not the same in the sponsors.
• 58:06
  Like everyone's just sick of having to entertain it.
• 58:10
  So I think that's a fair representation of fans of the
• 58:13
  sport in general. Like everyone's on the same
• 58:15
  wavelength. I suppose we'll park that item
• 58:19
  there until the the next case next week.
• 58:25
  So moving on to the Sydney Marathon field.
• 58:27
  So the men have announced the elite field now on the back of
• 58:31
  the women doing so a week or two ago.
• 58:34
  So we've got Kip Jogi of Kenya. Obviously this guy speaks for
• 58:40
  himself. And then there are 12345678
• 58:46
  other sub 205 guys. Like that is incredible depth at
• 58:51
  the top end. Like we talked about the London
• 58:53
  field earlier on and they're obviously household names as
• 58:56
  well. But like the times that these
• 58:58
  guys are running and the depth that Sydney have pulled in here
• 59:01
  is insane because then there's a further must be 12 who are sub
• 59:06
  two O 8 and I was wondering if they would get anyone over from
• 59:10
  Europe. So there is an Italian guy and a
• 59:13
  German guy in there as well as most of the others being Kenyans
• 59:17
  and Ethiopians and then into the Australian only field.
• 59:23
  Like, this is so exciting as well to see how how this will
• 59:25
  pan out because we've got Brett Robinson, Tom Dicanto, Dean, do
• 59:31
  you want me to leave your name out or say it?
• 59:35
  That's all good. Where was I?
• 59:43
  Tom Dicanto? Liam Adams, Reset Edwards, Nick
• 59:49
  L, Julian Spence, Dean Menzies, Kieran Perkins, Fraser Darcy,
• 59:53
  Matthew Cox And then there's a couple of exciting debutants as
• 59:57
  well. Have to string sauce, Sam
• 59:59
  Clifford and Joel Turban White. So that's going to be insane.
• 1:00:04
  I'm like something in the back of my mind really wants me to
• 1:00:07
  book some flights over to Sydney just to watch it.
• 1:00:09
  But I know it's an expensive expensive do not to run.
• 1:00:13
  Come here. When I seen Matthew Cox, I was
• 1:00:15
  like, oh, Genie Mackey's out. I.
• 1:00:20
  Was like how's your name? That's similar in Australia
• 1:00:22
  running a similar time. Same.
• 1:00:25
  It's funny. Imagine if that got this Matthew
• 1:00:27
  Cox. Guy has only recently ran his
• 1:00:30
  time there and Matthew Fox, when he gets out he sees there's
• 1:00:34
  literally a Matthew Cox who's one place above him on The
• 1:00:37
  Australian. It'd be like, excuse me, I think
• 1:00:44
  there's a typo. I think that's from a while ago,
• 1:00:47
  yeah. It's so interesting to see how
• 1:00:52
  have to Sam Clifford and Joe, well, mainly half two and uh,
• 1:00:56
  Clifford go in their debut. Like did it go out hard with the
• 1:01:00
  big boys or do they be it run it more conservatively?
• 1:01:03
  Because I think half 2 has dropped out of one a marathon
• 1:01:06
  already. He ran one in Europe, but.
• 1:01:08
  Hamburg he tried and yeah, DNA. Yeah, so it'll be interesting to
• 1:01:12
  see how them boys like for your first one to be Sydney, it's a.
• 1:01:17
  Tough introduction. Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  And I did it back in 2023 and it was particularly hot that day.
• 1:01:26
  But like that lead men's group were like messing about.
• 1:01:29
  Like I think they still went through halfway in 63 something
• 1:01:33
  on like a like it got close to 30° during the race, like like
• 1:01:40
  an Irish heat wave. It was and it and it's like I
• 1:01:47
  can't remember off the top. It's something like 325 meters
• 1:01:51
  of elevation, which like say New York is renowned by going
• 1:01:55
  through all the boroughs. I think it has like 240 meters
• 1:01:58
  of elevation. So like, like it's proper like
• 1:02:01
  hilly. Like I think like early in those
• 1:02:04
  sorts of marathon to maybe 80 meters, like do you remember
• 1:02:07
  ballot was Ballarat like 80 something meters I think
• 1:02:09
  perhaps. And so yeah, 320, it's like,
• 1:02:13
  it's not like it's hilly. So yeah, tough marathon.
• 1:02:16
  So there's 10, 10 Australians there in the in the Australian
• 1:02:19
  only field sub 2/19 with obviously then those 3
• 1:02:23
  debutantes to go in as well. So let's call it 13 and it pays
• 1:02:28
  down to is 1/5. Fifth.
• 1:02:29
  Yeah. But just shows that like usually
• 1:02:32
  maybe people will do like some mental maths and figure out if
• 1:02:35
  they're a chance for the payday or not, weren't they?
• 1:02:37
  And that might influence the decision.
• 1:02:39
  But because of the the amount of money that's on the line and it
• 1:02:42
  pays down to 5th and like the abilities as you get to like the
• 1:02:47
  5th Australian down to like maybe the 13th Australian,
• 1:02:50
  everyone's kind of very similar. It's the chance of getting that
• 1:02:54
  decent money, isn't it? Yeah, and I think it's probably
• 1:02:56
  just the, it's the first world major in Australia ever with,
• 1:03:02
  you know, some of the biggest names in running ever.
• 1:03:05
  I think it's sort of like it's a pretty rare opportunity, I
• 1:03:08
  think. So I think it's getting a lot of
• 1:03:10
  people excited. Like you don't see, you know,
• 1:03:13
  when would you have the opportunity to to front up to a
• 1:03:15
  race like that? Never.
• 1:03:17
  Well, Speaking of which, are you able to speak on the like the
• 1:03:21
  package that comes with it in terms of like, are you in the
• 1:03:24
  the hotel and stuff like that with the elite field?
• 1:03:26
  No, So I don't know who, I don't know what the cut off is, but
• 1:03:29
  yeah, no, I like pretty limited assistance to be honest, so.
• 1:03:33
  I think Yogi's getting a a sweet, so it's all going to him.
• 1:03:40
  That's right. I think they, I think they might
• 1:03:42
  have spent a lot of their available budget on a few of the
• 1:03:46
  Stefan and Elliot there are so. Yeah, they've soldier dream in
• 1:03:50
  terms of rubbing shoulders with Kip Chogi, but you went to see
• 1:03:52
  him once all weekend. That's right.
• 1:03:55
  That's so good though. When is Sydney guys?
• 1:03:59
  End of August. How many weeks?
• 1:04:01
  Less than 6 is it? Six, yeah, I think six weeks.
• 1:04:05
  Wow, so are you deep in a marathon block now, Dean?
• 1:04:07
  I need to talk to RAF about it, to be honest.
• 1:04:09
  So say, say what? Say what we think.
• 1:04:12
  OK, OK. There's more of an idea than AI
• 1:04:16
  think. Yeah.
• 1:04:17
  To be truthful, my main goal is Valencia in December, so that's
• 1:04:23
  really the priority. And then, yeah, this is just an
• 1:04:27
  opportunity. So maybe something we
• 1:04:29
  considered. But yeah, to be honest, the main
• 1:04:31
  goals of Valencia. Nice there seems to be it.
• 1:04:34
  So many going over to Valencia as well.
• 1:04:36
  Lots of Melbourne based athletes going over so that'll be cool.
• 1:04:41
  So nice segue again into training weeks.
• 1:04:44
  Do you do you both want to tell us about your week?
• 1:04:46
  Do. You want to give an injury
• 1:04:47
  update, Ryan? Oh yeah, Scramble to get our
• 1:04:50
  training weeks up. Yeah, go on.
• 1:04:52
  Sorry, just dropped that on. So yeah, I went and seen the
• 1:04:56
  sports doc on Thursday. So this is a recommended sports
• 1:05:00
  doctor like specialises in sports injuries and he comes
• 1:05:03
  from a run in and try background himself.
• 1:05:06
  So I was somewhat relieved even just getting the appointment
• 1:05:10
  with him. He relooked at the MRI, which I
• 1:05:13
  had done back at the start of May.
• 1:05:15
  And seeing that there's actually a stress fracture in, I can't
• 1:05:18
  remember the bone, but it's basically the bone that goes
• 1:05:21
  down into your heel. Which hearing that actually
• 1:05:25
  makes me feel somewhat relieved because it kind of makes sense
• 1:05:27
  as to why it hasn't been healing.
• 1:05:29
  How I would, pardon the pun, I've expected it to be healing.
• 1:05:34
  So I mean, the good news is that now from that MRI, I'm nine
• 1:05:38
  weeks on anyway. So how it is right now shouldn't
• 1:05:41
  be how it looks on the image. And he started some treatment,
• 1:05:46
  which is cortisone type treatment, but it's not
• 1:05:50
  delivered via injection the way it typically is.
• 1:05:53
  So he said he's been doing it with athletes since the 80s this
• 1:05:57
  way, which is via electrical impulse.
• 1:06:01
  So he like straps this piece of material to maheal and lathers
• 1:06:06
  it in cortisone and it's attached to a battery, which
• 1:06:09
  like kind of charges that through the skin barrier.
• 1:06:12
  And it's seen as a lot safer than getting the injection
• 1:06:16
  straight into the area. Because when you, when I've
• 1:06:18
  spoken to people about getting a cortisone injection, everyone's
• 1:06:22
  kind of like wary, like, oh, well, when you return it will
• 1:06:25
  respond really well. And then there's the risk of
• 1:06:28
  rupturing it completely because it's kind of like such a short
• 1:06:32
  term fix. Where is this?
• 1:06:34
  Because it, it's delivered over like 5 rounds of treatments over
• 1:06:37
  2 weeks. It's supposed to be more of a
• 1:06:39
  slow burn, but a lot more safe. So I mean, stresses are
• 1:06:43
  typically what, like 3 months to return from anyway?
• 1:06:46
  And then I've got to have this treatment for the actual planter
• 1:06:49
  for two weeks. So I don't know, feel a lot
• 1:06:51
  better about it. Hopefully another month or so.
• 1:06:54
  I can just be a bit more patient now and stop like trying to
• 1:06:57
  force the idea of like, oh, I should be back running because I
• 1:07:01
  shouldn't. So yeah, we'll, we'll just keep
• 1:07:04
  ticking over with that. And is there a date logged in
• 1:07:08
  for getting a scan to see how it's going or?
• 1:07:10
  Yeah. So that's what I thought.
• 1:07:12
  I thought, well, maybe we'll get another scan then to like
• 1:07:15
  physically see to actually see like what the healing process
• 1:07:18
  has been like. But he was like, it's probably
• 1:07:20
  not required, but maybe I'll, I'll push it again in another
• 1:07:25
  couple of weeks because I would like to see where it's actually
• 1:07:28
  up to because it's hard when you're looking at something that
• 1:07:30
  was 9 weeks ago and you're thinking, well, what's it look
• 1:07:33
  like now? But that might take the
• 1:07:35
  threshold of expenditure on this recovery journey over like
• 1:07:39
  $2000. So we'll have to see.
• 1:07:45
  It's not cheap. I think I single handedly kept
• 1:07:49
  the Australian healthcare system afloat when I was in Australia.
• 1:07:52
  Between freaking scans and physio appointments and
• 1:07:55
  massages. They should owe me money, but at
• 1:08:01
  least positive you've got you're on the track, you're getting the
• 1:08:04
  treatment, so hopefully you can see the light at the end of the
• 1:08:06
  tunnel pretty soon. That's it.
• 1:08:07
  I mean, I literally feel like we say this every episode, but what
• 1:08:12
  did they say last week? Dean, I was talking to you
• 1:08:14
  offline about the cross training and stuff and it's like I've hit
• 1:08:17
  rock bottom and I'm on the up. So it's week 1 of building back.
• 1:08:22
  Let's see. OK so start of my week I was
• 1:08:27
  deep deep deep in the oven. So umm, I took the morning over
• 1:08:32
  the weekend I'd like my first track speed session.
• 1:08:34
  Then I had the long run and my heart was strong and my heart
• 1:08:38
  rate was through the roof. So Monday morning I just took it
• 1:08:41
  off and then then in the evening I just done like 45 minutes easy
• 1:08:45
  and a few strides and I was sort of back to normal.
• 1:08:48
  That little break in the morning just sort of gave me that extra
• 1:08:51
  bit of time to recover. And yeah, I was sort of back on
• 1:08:54
  track. And Tuesday, 2 sessions for
• 1:08:58
  first one was it was 2 sets of four by AK and the first one was
• 1:09:05
  at like the lower end of threshold.
• 1:09:06
  So in and around like 3, I think average like 3-10 feeling,
• 1:09:11
  feeling good. And then for the last four, I
• 1:09:15
  done them at around like 255 per kilometer again feeling good,
• 1:09:21
  feeling in control, which is which is good.
• 1:09:23
  I had 6 minutes rest like in between the two sets as well.
• 1:09:26
  So I was like fully recovering, like ready to roll.
• 1:09:29
  And then in the evening I done 7 by 2 minutes and I done it
• 1:09:36
  around this grass track beside me.
• 1:09:39
  And guys, I was genuinely getting close to being blown
• 1:09:42
  away. It was so windy, like running in
• 1:09:45
  the back straight. It was literally like I dropped
• 1:09:48
  to like 340 per kilometer pace. But then you'd make it up on the
• 1:09:51
  other side because you'd have such a big boost because be at
• 1:09:54
  your back. But I sort of should have taken
• 1:09:57
  the wind into account because I'd say the effort was higher
• 1:10:01
  than it should have been. I should have just dropped it
• 1:10:03
  back a little bit. But yeah, still, like, I'm still
• 1:10:08
  feeling good. And then Wednesday.
• 1:10:11
  I have a, a bit like the the weather calculator.
• 1:10:16
  I have a wind calculate like calculation, but it's not, I
• 1:10:20
  thought I remember reading it's a book like the law of running
• 1:10:24
  and like this big book. And I thought basically the what
• 1:10:29
  I took away from the chapter on like wind impact of wind on
• 1:10:32
  running is essentially, let's say you're running into the
• 1:10:35
  wind. It costs you 10 seconds a
• 1:10:37
  kilometer running into it. You get half of that back.
• 1:10:41
  So let's say you're running. Let's say you're trying to run
• 1:10:44
  320 per K, but you can only run 340 per K into the wind.
• 1:10:50
  You'll then only run I think 310 per K running with the wind.
• 1:10:54
  So you'll only get about 10 seconds of that back.
• 1:10:56
  So the the overall cost over the 2 kilometers you lost 10
• 1:10:59
  seconds, if that makes sense. Yeah, I'm trying to find, I
• 1:11:02
  don't have Stratford Premium, so I can't normally it tells you
• 1:11:04
  the weather and all, but yeah, so I can't even see like how
• 1:11:08
  strong the wind was. And not good.
• 1:11:11
  No, I was. I was, it was a lot.
• 1:11:14
  Wednesday morning I got out for 75 minutes, so I done 75
• 1:11:22
  minutes, 16.4 kilometers and then that evening I got a
• 1:11:26
  massage, a well needed massage. The following morning I done 80
• 1:11:31
  minutes at 80 minutes around 4:30, which is around like 17.6
• 1:11:38
  kilometers. Again, feeling good.
• 1:11:40
  The heart rate's pretty good. Been pretty good lately.
• 1:11:42
  I feel like I've sort of like jumped up a level in fitness and
• 1:11:46
  Friday totally off, just chilling.
• 1:11:48
  How many steps? No steps.
• 1:11:50
  No. Steps, if you could see me right
• 1:11:52
  now, feed up. That's all I do on a Friday.
• 1:11:56
  So Saturday was yesterday. So it was like probably again my
• 1:12:02
  second like hard like speed session.
• 1:12:05
  So the session was 6 by 800 meters and the plan was let's
• 1:12:10
  say run the 1st 400 in like 7170 and then the 2nd 400 try and
• 1:12:16
  kick it down a little bit. So 6968 and then the first Rep I
• 1:12:21
  went through the 1st 400 and like 68 and I was like oh shit.
• 1:12:25
  So then I jammed on the brakes and around the 2nd 400 and like
• 1:12:28
  72. So it was like the opposite of
• 1:12:29
  what I was meant to do. But no, they were all so I think
• 1:12:35
  I started at like 220 for the 800 and I knocked it down like
• 1:12:38
  nearly a second each wrap. So I just find 800 so hard to
• 1:12:42
  run. I don't know why.
• 1:12:44
  Like I feel like I'm trying to kick it down.
• 1:12:46
  I only knock like a second off. It feels like I'm running like 5
• 1:12:49
  seconds faster, but I only knock a second off it.
• 1:12:51
  And then there was 2 minutes recovery between each Rep and
• 1:12:55
  then I 3 minutes recovery and I done 3 by 400.
• 1:12:59
  And these four hundreds were like hard.
• 1:13:01
  So I think I'd done like 6261 sixty for the off, 60 seconds
• 1:13:07
  for the four hundreds, which, yeah, I was happy with because I
• 1:13:10
  didn't think I could run like I thought my Max was like 6465 so.
• 1:13:15
  Off 60 seconds as well. Yeah, literally still panting
• 1:13:19
  going into the next Rep. And so yeah, I was happy with
• 1:13:23
  that. I feel like like after this
• 1:13:26
  track season and after cross country, I'll try and do like a
• 1:13:29
  speed block, like try and do a 1500 indoors, a 3K because I
• 1:13:33
  feel like it would really benefit over the 5K.
• 1:13:35
  Like being able to run comfortably at that pace.
• 1:13:39
  Your 5K pace would feel so easy then.
• 1:13:42
  And then so that was that, like 11.
• 1:13:44
  I finished that session in the morning and my sister was
• 1:13:47
  playing in a big game at like 5 and it took like an hour and a
• 1:13:51
  half to get to the game. So I had to like cram my double
• 1:13:54
  N, like I'm going to say like 2 hours after that session so that
• 1:13:57
  he's done 45 minutes around the football pitches here at home at
• 1:14:01
  like 5 minute kilometer pace, literally just shuffling about.
• 1:14:05
  And then there today, this morning was my long run, an hour
• 1:14:08
  and 50. The 1st 60 was pretty moderate.
• 1:14:12
  And then the last 50 minutes I sort of like picked it up a
• 1:14:16
  little bit. So I think I averaged like 338
• 1:14:19
  for the last 50, just sort of get a bit of like threshold in
• 1:14:23
  that last. So I think I'd done 27
• 1:14:26
  kilometers, averaging 4 O3, felt good, heart rate good.
• 1:14:30
  The whole total week was 122 kilometers and that's probably
• 1:14:34
  my biggest week now. I've got nationals in two weeks,
• 1:14:36
  so I'll probably have one more big session on Tuesday, but then
• 1:14:40
  I'll start sort of winding down, getting fresh.
• 1:14:43
  But it's all in in one pace, Touchwood.
• 1:14:45
  It's being yet strapped together.
• 1:14:47
  It's holding up just two more weeks.
• 1:14:50
  That's cool. With that long run, did you see
• 1:14:52
  what's the, I don't know what the direct quote is, but Canova
• 1:14:55
  has got a quote as any something along the lines of like medium
• 1:14:58
  speed is, um, is always good if you're feeling good or something
• 1:15:02
  like that. Just as if to say like basically
• 1:15:05
  equivalent of steady running. Isn't it like just it's not just
• 1:15:09
  because you're not doing like a Rep or threshold work.
• 1:15:11
  It's not aimless work. It's like really good.
• 1:15:14
  And I feel like it's good because I feel like if you're
• 1:15:15
  going for like a two hours or an hour and 50 minute, I feel like
• 1:15:18
  you just get a bit stale If you're just going the same pace
• 1:15:21
  or sort of like when you sort of upper up a bit for like in the
• 1:15:24
  middle of it or near the end just to get the legs rolling.
• 1:15:27
  It's sort of like, I don't know, feels good.
• 1:15:28
  But again, conscious that my heart rate isn't going too high,
• 1:15:31
  like keeping a little in it because last week I was it's
• 1:15:33
  cooked. So I think I'm I'm back out of
• 1:15:35
  the oven again, Thank God. Yeah.
• 1:15:37
  But again, it's still very humid here.
• 1:15:39
  So the heat wave still hasn't left, just no stun.
• 1:15:43
  We've no sun, but like it's a lot of cloud cover.
• 1:15:47
  So I'm not ideal running conditions, but I'm just putting
• 1:15:49
  up with it. It's a good segue for me.
• 1:15:56
  My training week, I believe it or not, started off with two on
• 1:16:01
  Monday with two easy commutes to and from the office.
• 1:16:04
  And then Tuesday ran to the office and then ran to the track
• 1:16:08
  and the session was, and you guys would remember this one,
• 1:16:12
  but it's 2K threshold lap jog and then it's 5 by it's sort of
• 1:16:19
  three sets of 2K. So the first one is 5 laps at
• 1:16:22
  threshold lap jog. Then it's 5 by 300 meters at
• 1:16:27
  VO2100 meter. Sort of float like you're not
• 1:16:30
  completely, you're not jogging you, you sort of continue in
• 1:16:34
  that pace and then back up to VO2 and then another lap jog.
• 1:16:38
  And then it's 200 slightly like quicker than the PO2, then your
• 1:16:42
  300 pace and then 200 meter flow times 5 as well to finish.
• 1:16:47
  And so Max and Luke were, were there, but I, I did my
• 1:16:53
  threshold. I, I said to the guy that the
• 1:16:57
  guys are like, what pace do you want to do the threshold at?
• 1:16:59
  And I said 74 seconds and they said, oh, can we go 70 twos?
• 1:17:02
  And I said, oh, not for me. And then they proceeded, I think
• 1:17:05
  they did 69 seconds for their first lap.
• 1:17:07
  And then I never saw them again. So I think they, I think it was
• 1:17:12
  like 550 or thereabouts. I think they did their threshold
• 1:17:16
  in and then. Do they understand the
• 1:17:19
  definition of the word threshold or what?
• 1:17:21
  What's the issue here? I said to them, I said, at least
• 1:17:24
  I know I'm not in 63 minute shape for half marathon.
• 1:17:28
  And it didn't, it didn't squash their enthusiasm, but it did
• 1:17:33
  change quickly because then we got to the 300 meters and they
• 1:17:37
  did their first Rep. They didn't wait for me.
• 1:17:38
  And then they did their first Rep.
• 1:17:40
  And then they all like started jogging and then they started
• 1:17:42
  looking at each other. And then I think by two laps I'd
• 1:17:46
  caught them. But then I think Luke was doing
• 1:17:48
  them like very fast and then sort of almost walking the
• 1:17:51
  hundreds and then Max was doing something in between.
• 1:17:53
  And anyway, I just did my as what we normally do them.
• 1:17:57
  So about 51 seconds for the so sort of 68 second pace, right,
• 1:18:01
  but for 300 meters and then 21 seconds for the 100m jog.
• 1:18:06
  And then the two hundreds were about 32 seconds, 33 seconds and
• 1:18:10
  then a similar sort of 42 second jog or float between them.
• 1:18:15
  So, yeah, so that was, I think pretty consistent with sort of
• 1:18:18
  how we've done that workout in the past in terms of pacing and
• 1:18:21
  stuff. And I don't mind it because it's
• 1:18:23
  more continuous and more a bit more aerobic.
• 1:18:25
  I don't mind the session so. Inside your head, whilst the
• 1:18:30
  initial threshold's going on, you're thinking, oh I can't wait
• 1:18:33
  to get these floats going. I was then they didn't wait.
• 1:18:37
  I was, I was fired up by that point.
• 1:18:39
  I was probably took a bit for me to cool down afterwards because
• 1:18:42
  what are you doing? Like it's so stupid running the
• 1:18:46
  1st 2K in like 550. They flooded themselves with
• 1:18:49
  lactate. Yeah, hard way to run.
• 1:18:51
  That's not. Yeah, hard way to run.
• 1:18:54
  But I mean, if you survive, you'll probably get quite fit.
• 1:18:57
  But yeah, Wednesday, just a couple of easy jogs to and from
• 1:19:02
  the office. And then Thursday, double
• 1:19:06
  threshold. So in the morning, just three by
• 1:19:08
  8 minutes with a one minute float, just similar to what all
• 1:19:12
  the other week, like the last X many weeks have been nothing too
• 1:19:16
  much to report to be honest. And then in the afternoon it was
• 1:19:21
  a can't remember. It's called like a stair fart
• 1:19:23
  lick or something. But essentially a minute at
• 1:19:26
  threshold a minute float and then you increase it by a
• 1:19:29
  minute. But you you do a minute float
• 1:19:31
  each time. But the threshold intervals are
• 1:19:33
  one minute, 2 minute, three minute, 4 minute, 5 minutes, 6
• 1:19:37
  minutes if if I wasn't racing on Sundays, but I stopped it after
• 1:19:40
  5 minutes. So that was 20 minutes of, of
• 1:19:44
  running felt all right. I was, oh, I was with Luke for,
• 1:19:49
  for part of that. Didn't feel too bad.
• 1:19:53
  Friday ran into the office and then I ran to get a massage on
• 1:19:57
  the way home from work. So got a massage and then ran
• 1:20:01
  home, which was good. And then Saturday.
• 1:20:03
  The mileage on your car must be so low every every commute is
• 1:20:07
  via via fees. Yeah, sorry and I should cave
• 1:20:13
  here. I wasn't.
• 1:20:14
  I was like 2 KS I think to get to the massage while I was
• 1:20:17
  sweating by the time I got there.
• 1:20:19
  But yeah, I don't drive. I don't drive a lot to be
• 1:20:21
  honest. I don't know why we have that
• 1:20:22
  second car, could probably get rid of it have.
• 1:20:24
  You ever run? Either of you ever ran to a
• 1:20:27
  haircut? It's so awkward because like you
• 1:20:29
  think I'm just going to jog. So like you won't be sweaty, but
• 1:20:32
  then the 1st place that sweats is like the back of your head on
• 1:20:35
  your neck there. And then I'm sat in the Barber
• 1:20:38
  chair like still cooling down. I can just feel the sweat driven
• 1:20:42
  down your neck. It's not good.
• 1:20:44
  I've never done that before. Yeah, I actually got my hair cut
• 1:20:48
  on Friday too, but it was in the city.
• 1:20:51
  Did you from there? No, well, I just from the
• 1:20:54
  office. It's your lunch anyway.
• 1:21:03
  Yeah, so just you could be on your own on the on the haircut
• 1:21:11
  maybe, but I wouldn't I wouldn't do sporting in here.
• 1:21:15
  Yeah, maybe we need them to listeners right in if that's
• 1:21:18
  what you've done. But Owen sporting and nice in
• 1:21:21
  your haircut by the way as well, right?
• 1:21:23
  Yeah, people go fast. I needed to shave off a few
• 1:21:27
  seconds, so I talk. Get rid of the Big Mopper here.
• 1:21:30
  To paint a picture for the listeners, can you describe your
• 1:21:33
  order to the Barber? I literally said kit, I think, I
• 1:21:39
  think it's called a burst fade. So it's basically around my ears
• 1:21:43
  is like skinned. And then I sort of have like a
• 1:21:46
  wee, like a little bit of hair in the middle, yeah.
• 1:21:49
  Where's the hair in the middle at the back?
• 1:21:51
  Yeah, yeah, if you see the sides.
• 1:21:53
  Oh yeah. Oh God, it's like a mullet.
• 1:21:56
  You sort of, yeah, yeah, yeah. Got a few compliments on it.
• 1:21:59
  So it's either it must have been really, really bad before or my
• 1:22:03
  Barber done a really good job. So I don't know.
• 1:22:07
  There you go, just just before I forget that could be a funny A
• 1:22:11
  segment next week depending on if if people engage with it or
• 1:22:14
  not. What?
• 1:22:15
  What's the most random or funniest place you've ever ran
• 1:22:17
  to? Like as a commute.
• 1:22:21
  I'd have a few I reckon. The good old running home from a
• 1:22:25
  night out must be on a few people's list.
• 1:22:27
  You know when you've you couldn't get a taxi and you've
• 1:22:29
  got a bit too far to walk so you end up doing like 6 to 10K
• 1:22:35
  whilst extremely drunk? It's so hard.
• 1:22:38
  I was thinking about that because we got asked to listen a
• 1:22:40
  question on like run commuting. I think I've been doing it for
• 1:22:43
  like 15 years of different permutations of getting my stuff
• 1:22:47
  to and from an office. Like, I remember I used to drive
• 1:22:51
  halfway to like from home to a train station with a bag full of
• 1:22:56
  like, iron shirts, and you're just holding all that sort of
• 1:22:58
  stuff. And then you're on the way home,
• 1:23:00
  you're in your running gear just on the train because you can't
• 1:23:03
  run the whole way home. And then you're running only a
• 1:23:05
  bit of it. I don't know all sorts of silly
• 1:23:08
  things. Things we'll do for a bit of
• 1:23:10
  mileage, eh? I remember running home in
• 1:23:13
  casual clothes from a fantasy like football draft night just
• 1:23:17
  to get some extra mileage to try and beat someone in a weekly
• 1:23:20
  mileage challenge. I lost, but he was injured.
• 1:23:28
  He was injured like two or three weeks later, though, So I feel
• 1:23:30
  like lost the battle, won the war.
• 1:23:36
  Oh yeah. So yeah.
• 1:23:37
  So Saturday just did an easy 30 minutes and some strides, and
• 1:23:41
  then today was the Shelley 10K. So yeah.
• 1:23:45
  So it's sort of as it's essentially just, I don't know,
• 1:23:48
  to describe it. It's A, it's on footpath.
• 1:23:51
  It just goes out for about 3 1/2 kilometres.
• 1:23:54
  Does AU turn on the footpath? Runs parallel with the part of
• 1:23:59
  the Canning River? Yeah.
• 1:24:02
  It's sort of what, 10 KS from South of Perth, Pretty flat.
• 1:24:07
  You basically go pack back past your start finish line at around
• 1:24:10
  7 KS for another K and a half, Chuck another U-turn and then
• 1:24:14
  head back towards the finish. It's A pretty low key fun run.
• 1:24:18
  Like it's not what one of purse major fun runs, but it's run by
• 1:24:21
  the WA Marathon Club, which is largely volunteer based and they
• 1:24:26
  do an exceptional job in terms of putting on events throughout
• 1:24:29
  the year, this being one of them.
• 1:24:31
  They sort of have an event at least probably every two to
• 1:24:34
  three weeks. And yeah, this was really well
• 1:24:37
  run. I think some of the worry coming
• 1:24:39
  into today because their forecast was thunderstorms was
• 1:24:42
  whether or not the bad weather was going to hit in the morning.
• 1:24:44
  But it was a little bit breezy. But otherwise it was really is a
• 1:24:49
  really nice morning. To be honest, I think the
• 1:24:52
  weather didn't come in till about ten, 11:00.
• 1:24:55
  So we're pretty lucky. What did you think, Ryan, when
• 1:24:58
  you were there? Yeah, I got there a little bit
• 1:25:00
  late, so I didn't actually see your start, so I've quickly
• 1:25:05
  doubt that. Yeah, the course went out, you
• 1:25:07
  came back through the start finish area and headed out
• 1:25:09
  again. So Raff was better keen for me
• 1:25:12
  to. He was like go with him when he
• 1:25:14
  comes through, he could do with some encouragement like it will
• 1:25:19
  help him. So I wasn't actually sure what I
• 1:25:21
  was going to do when I first set off following you.
• 1:25:24
  And then I was like, oh, well, this is quite, quite fun.
• 1:25:28
  I'll, I'll stay in behind them. No, no official pacemaking.
• 1:25:30
  I was on the road, actually about 20 meters away, always
• 1:25:35
  behind. Yeah, sure.
• 1:25:37
  He was. He was drafting off the lead
• 1:25:38
  bike anyway. There was already someone else
• 1:25:40
  pacing him. All I had I'd written down a
• 1:25:47
  race plan on my my hand and it just said 3056.
• 1:25:51
  That's. I wonder would the WA Marathon
• 1:25:57
  Club ever fly me out next year to try and try and retain my
• 1:26:02
  crowd? They, I don't know if they'd be,
• 1:26:04
  so I might not be the person to ask because I nearly missed
• 1:26:08
  presentations. And then we were the last car in
• 1:26:10
  the car park because the kids have been playing on the
• 1:26:12
  playground. The guy comes and taps on our
• 1:26:13
  window and he's like, I'm trying to like leave and close the
• 1:26:17
  gate. Can you please like remove your
• 1:26:19
  car? Sorry, so I don't think it's
• 1:26:22
  it's a big fan, but maybe Ryan can put in a good word on behalf
• 1:26:25
  of the pod. That's a savage look because
• 1:26:28
  that's not a fast course like all on footpath 2 pin turns, but
• 1:26:32
  that's your fit. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:26:34
  I was a bit bummed. I sort of wanted to run a bit
• 1:26:36
  faster, but yeah, I don't. Know, I mean it was tough when
• 1:26:39
  you when you turned, there was quite a bit of headwinds that
• 1:26:41
  last. What is that stretch from when
• 1:26:43
  you turn 2K or something? Yeah, pretty much, yeah.
• 1:26:47
  The bikes are a bit ugly. How do I faster?
• 1:26:52
  But I guess coming back past you had them, you had all the, the
• 1:26:56
  people following and like they were like giving you a few
• 1:26:58
  shouts and stuff. So it probably like helped a
• 1:27:00
  little bit as well, didn't it? Yeah, it was your shouts on the
• 1:27:02
  bike mainly, but everyone was helping for sure.
• 1:27:06
  That I was running out of of ways to say let's go or come on.
• 1:27:10
  I was like, what can I go to next here?
• 1:27:12
  And then I was also. I bet you started hating them.
• 1:27:17
  I didn't have a clue because I didn't know the course.
• 1:27:20
  I knew you were like heading home, but I didn't know whether
• 1:27:23
  it was 3 KL or like one KL or whatever.
• 1:27:26
  So I didn't know at what point to deliver.
• 1:27:29
  Like, right, come on, Dean, let's go.
• 1:27:31
  Like dig in. I didn't want to do it too
• 1:27:33
  early, so I wasn't sure what was going on.
• 1:27:35
  But if anything, if you didn't like it, then it probably got
• 1:27:40
  you riled up and made your run quicker anyway.
• 1:27:42
  She's like Ryan, shut the fuck up.
• 1:27:46
  There were, yeah, there's always a few dark thoughts.
• 1:27:48
  I think I basically I went out in It's into the Wind on the way
• 1:27:52
  out and I had in mind of like maybe like three or three on my
• 1:27:56
  watch and it was more like three O 5.
• 1:27:59
  But then we did that U-turn and you start you.
• 1:28:02
  I could peg back a little bit of time, but my heart rate I more
• 1:28:05
  of my heart rate monitor and it was already it was over
• 1:28:08
  threshold. And so I was like, Oh, that's
• 1:28:09
  not ideal. Like I didn't.
• 1:28:10
  I thought maybe I'd have a few more beats to play with, but I
• 1:28:13
  was sort of hurting quite a bit. So I think I got my bit paced,
• 1:28:17
  average paced down to maybe three O 4 and then and then when
• 1:28:21
  you head back past the start finish line and I was starting
• 1:28:24
  to get a bit fatigued and I think I've got it down to 303
• 1:28:28
  pace or three. But I was like, God, if I don't
• 1:28:31
  keep this honest, I won't run under 3057 and that won't be
• 1:28:35
  make for good chat on the pod. So I sort of, I was, I was a bit
• 1:28:41
  conscious of it, but yeah, no, it's good bit different to last
• 1:28:44
  year. I was sort of, as I was running,
• 1:28:46
  I was imagining this virtual lead person that would have gone
• 1:28:50
  out and been a minute up the road on you.
• 1:28:54
  Luke Bates wasn't running, no. No, he's on the bike giving us a
• 1:28:57
  cheers. Very good of him.
• 1:28:59
  Three people on the bike. Wow.
• 1:29:04
  Keep joking at your anger. You had a better pacemaking set
• 1:29:08
  up than the Diamond League. Yours was all on that on the
• 1:29:12
  road too, right? That ran parallel with that
• 1:29:15
  footpath I assume. Was on the footpath.
• 1:29:17
  Oh. You're on the road, you can just
• 1:29:19
  hop. You just hop straight onto the
• 1:29:20
  road. It runs right alongside it.
• 1:29:22
  Wait, because the footpath weaves.
• 1:29:24
  Yeah, that's why you just stick on the road, it's heaps quicker.
• 1:29:26
  Oh, so you're on like 9.5 K? No, when we're down there, when
• 1:29:35
  we, we've done a few like marathon specific workouts along
• 1:29:39
  there and we'd normally start them on the footpath, but very
• 1:29:42
  soon end up on the road because it's so much faster on that road
• 1:29:45
  section. But I stayed on the footpath
• 1:29:47
  today. But yeah.
• 1:29:48
  What shoes? I wore the the Adidas ones.
• 1:29:52
  I probably spent $150.00 just on that race.
• 1:29:56
  And are they like, how'd they feel?
• 1:29:58
  Yeah, they, they still feel very nice.
• 1:30:00
  Yeah. Like they're, they just feel
• 1:30:03
  like a fairly responsive shoe that's super light.
• 1:30:07
  Like it's like the responsiveness of a super shoe
• 1:30:10
  just without like the weight of, you know, just some of those
• 1:30:13
  other shoes. But yeah, that's good.
• 1:30:16
  Nice any any ketones or beetroot or any of that random stuff.
• 1:30:21
  I did throw down a ketone just for old time's sake.
• 1:30:25
  In memory of you know who I mean.
• 1:30:28
  The fallen soldier. I did, yeah.
• 1:30:32
  But yeah, Keto, no beetroot juice and a decent amount of
• 1:30:36
  caffeine. Very good.
• 1:30:38
  Yeah, that was it. Extended cooldown or not?
• 1:30:40
  No, I just did like 20 minutes the the family was was down
• 1:30:44
  there. So yeah, just went over to the
• 1:30:47
  park, had a coffee. That was that.
• 1:30:49
  So yeah, a bit of a shorter week, I think 100 and 128 case,
• 1:30:53
  a bit of a smaller week, but yeah, might do the Perth half
• 1:30:56
  marathon in two weeks from now. So hopefully that's a good hit
• 1:30:59
  out before that. So we're starting finish for
• 1:31:01
  that. Marathon club rooms in Burswood,
• 1:31:04
  so just outside Burswood casino. So it's all along the river
• 1:31:08
  paths and stuff there. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:10
  I was looking at the results of that actually the other day over
• 1:31:13
  the past few years and like there's been some pretty quick
• 1:31:15
  times considering they're doing it's it's in inverts commas only
• 1:31:19
  marathon club events because historically they're not
• 1:31:22
  actually that deep. There's like fast people there
• 1:31:24
  and stuff, but not a lot of fast people.
• 1:31:26
  And yeah, like some 60 sixes and 60 fives and stuff.
• 1:31:29
  Yeah. Did you see the one in 2020?
• 1:31:32
  Maybe there might have been like, I think the first there
• 1:31:38
  was sort of, I think Ben Chamberlain won in like 65 high
• 1:31:42
  and then he beat Willie Chabol, who was one of the Ken Kenyan
• 1:31:45
  guy who was living in Perth for quite some time.
• 1:31:48
  He was like 208 guy back in his day.
• 1:31:51
  But he, yeah, they both ran 65 high.
• 1:31:53
  And then I think Matt Smith and I were like 66, so something.
• 1:31:57
  And then there's, yeah, a whole group of us under 70 minutes.
• 1:32:01
  Yeah, good. I did see that.
• 1:32:02
  That must be the one I'm thinking of.
• 1:32:03
  But yeah, quality race. Hopefully there's there's a few
• 1:32:07
  others there for you in a couple of weeks.
• 1:32:09
  Yeah, getting towards the end of the agenda now then.
• 1:32:12
  So YouTube Diaries, I said earlier we hadn't deliberated
• 1:32:16
  this offline. So I do have one.
• 1:32:19
  Would you like me to deliver it or does anyone have one they
• 1:32:22
  want to do? I feel like we can't, can we?
• 1:32:27
  We have to mention because I feel like part of YouTube
• 1:32:30
  Diaries is like unearthing, you know, YouTube channels.
• 1:32:33
  I feel like we have to, don't you think, mention Seth
• 1:32:35
  O'donald's YouTube channel? Yeah, he deserves 1.
• 1:32:39
  Like because what has it got? I'm just having a look now it
• 1:32:43
  has 311 subscribers and there's no way that will be the case for
• 1:32:48
  very long, right? So I don't how did you find it
• 1:32:51
  on did he post it on his socials it?
• 1:32:53
  Actually popped up on my feed. So yeah, which is pretty cool,
• 1:32:58
  but I do have a lot of like Australia, like is you pop up in
• 1:33:02
  my feed and all that. The algorithm is working, let's
• 1:33:05
  say. You know, when I tried to find
• 1:33:08
  them, I typed, typed in Seth O'Donnell and like, I had to
• 1:33:11
  really like dig to find this channel.
• 1:33:13
  Obviously it's it's a new one like, but yeah.
• 1:33:16
  But when did you want to just give like 2 minutes on what your
• 1:33:20
  reflections were on his video? So it's set.
• 1:33:22
  It's just under 8 minutes. So it's short and sweet and it's
• 1:33:26
  basically his travel day of flying to I think, Belgium.
• 1:33:30
  And I think he's going Is that his girlfriend that's with him
• 1:33:33
  or a friend, I don't know, and their cameraman and a guy.
• 1:33:37
  He's just such a good person. Like he's so funny just to carry
• 1:33:41
  on. He's so genuine, down to earth
• 1:33:43
  and. Do you think he realizes how
• 1:33:45
  funny he is? I don't, I don't think he does.
• 1:33:47
  I think that's just him. Like, yeah, he deserves that big
• 1:33:51
  night deal. Like, umm.
• 1:33:52
  And it's really weird, like he rocked up to a new country and
• 1:33:56
  the first thing he did was go to a gym to run, which is.
• 1:34:00
  Running in a gym, hey. Yeah, I suppose the treadmills,
• 1:34:03
  controlled environment and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:34:04
  But yeah, he's just got such a good like personality for
• 1:34:08
  YouTube. He comes across really well.
• 1:34:10
  He's funny, he's witty. Yeah.
• 1:34:12
  It's just, it's a great watch. It's so funny.
• 1:34:14
  I think the. Only issue is it was only 8
• 1:34:16
  minutes. I was like, you know?
• 1:34:19
  You want it longer? Needs to be longer, yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:21
  They've left. The people want more.
• 1:34:23
  There's two bits that I was I was crying off.
• 1:34:26
  The first one was when he got on that bike and his phone fell out
• 1:34:29
  of his pocket. Ask me on the fucking phone.
• 1:34:35
  They have to bake a lot of it out, don't they?
• 1:34:38
  Yeah. And then the second one, Oh my
• 1:34:40
  God. I think I was laughing out loud.
• 1:34:41
  I was like, what's going on here where he's speaking to like the
• 1:34:45
  immigration officer or someone in the train station and the,
• 1:34:48
  the Belgian guys like so who's better?
• 1:34:51
  Better people, Sydney or Melbourne?
• 1:34:52
  And he's like, oh, Sydney, a wankers mate.
• 1:34:59
  And he's, he's obviously putting this out to like assuming he's
• 1:35:02
  going to have an Australian audience and he just doesn't
• 1:35:04
  care. That's so funny.
• 1:35:06
  Yeah, that's very good. OK, yeah, give that a watch.
• 1:35:09
  We'll probably link them in the show notes because it is hard to
• 1:35:12
  find. And secondly, the one I was
• 1:35:15
  going to mention then, because I know listeners will like it, but
• 1:35:18
  like used to in particular will love this.
• 1:35:20
  So the Swedish guy, Andreas Omgren, who's just ran the
• 1:35:24
  European 5K record and we can get away with YouTube Diaries
• 1:35:30
  because it's on Coffee Club podcast, but they post it on
• 1:35:33
  YouTube as well so you can actually watch the video.
• 1:35:36
  So they've sat down and interviewed them and it's such a
• 1:35:39
  funny dynamic because obviously the boys are professional
• 1:35:42
  athletes themselves, Morgan McDonald, Ollie Ho and George
• 1:35:46
  Beamish. And you can just tell that
• 1:35:48
  they're like so giddy about getting to sit down and chat
• 1:35:52
  with this guy because they're like almost in awe of them.
• 1:35:54
  And they respect him so much. And it's so refreshing because
• 1:35:59
  he saw he talks in such depth and detail about his training
• 1:36:03
  methodologies and like exact sessions that he does, why he
• 1:36:07
  does them, at what time of the year he does them and how he
• 1:36:09
  structures his year. And he loves, he's a big lover
• 1:36:13
  of double threshold and he's done it since 2019.
• 1:36:15
  And he said, so he's able to look at it from a bit of a
• 1:36:18
  zoomed out perspective and say like when I first started my
• 1:36:23
  obviously he's looking at his threshold numbers, but he talks
• 1:36:26
  about how his pace has dropped at the same lactate level over
• 1:36:30
  this time. So it's interesting to know that
• 1:36:32
  like when you first start, you do have to be really careful
• 1:36:35
  with your paces. So he said even for him, he was
• 1:36:38
  doing 325 to 3:30-ish pace to produce a reading of around 3.
• 1:36:44
  And this is second. And to be fair, he said now he
• 1:36:46
  can run 250 per K pace and produce 3.
• 1:36:52
  And some of the sessions that he does are just insane.
• 1:36:55
  Like he was talking about preparing for that 5K record.
• 1:36:58
  He was doing 800 meter reps off short.
• 1:37:02
  He said short recovery. I think he might have said 30 to
• 1:37:05
  60 seconds in 2O2 and producing a low lactate reason after each
• 1:37:11
  of those reps. So he's just he's a machine and
• 1:37:15
  I want you to watch it or listen to it and let me know what you
• 1:37:17
  think. So I was just like in awe of
• 1:37:19
  like how passionate he is about the scientific side of the
• 1:37:22
  training and how knowledgeable he is as well.
• 1:37:25
  Like it's, it's quite inspiring. He talks about periodizing his
• 1:37:29
  training throughout the year. So like he'll always go to a big
• 1:37:32
  base phase. And he describes like building
• 1:37:35
  the base as like a level to allow you to introduce the race
• 1:37:38
  specific stuff and not like kind of blow up and be able to
• 1:37:42
  recover from it to do another specific one and another
• 1:37:44
  specific 1. And that's where you really dial
• 1:37:47
  in like your race fitness. So yeah, I won't say too much
• 1:37:51
  more, but jeez, I was impressed. That's cool.
• 1:37:54
  Lastly, then, double trouble. Anything spring to mind?
• 1:37:59
  Or shall I whip whip one else? I've got one if yeah, go.
• 1:38:04
  I just don't get, I don't see the point.
• 1:38:06
  So race bibs, yeah, like you wear them on your chest.
• 1:38:11
  I don't get why people wear them like on their leg.
• 1:38:14
  Have you seen people do this? Like when your knee when your
• 1:38:17
  knee rises it just can't be comfortable.
• 1:38:19
  Like I don't get why people don't wear them on their chest
• 1:38:21
  unless it makes their like jumper look not cool or
• 1:38:23
  something like that. But you just wear it to race bib
• 1:38:27
  on your chest and not on your leg Opinions.
• 1:38:29
  I have thought the same when I've seen it, but there must be
• 1:38:32
  something we're missing. Yeah, I don't get it.
• 1:38:35
  I know a couple of people that will do that, but they do that
• 1:38:37
  so that they don't have to wear a singlet in the rest.
• 1:38:40
  So they don't wait, they wear nothing.
• 1:38:41
  Yeah, your friends are them type of people.
• 1:38:48
  I think the maybe the triathlete to do it out a habit because
• 1:38:52
  they they often wear like a soothe where it zips down the
• 1:38:55
  middle. So maybe if you had the bib over
• 1:38:57
  your stomach area it would be in the way of the zip.
• 1:38:59
  I don't know. But then the Diamond League
• 1:39:01
  boys, they all wear them speed suits and they don't wear them
• 1:39:04
  on their leg. Yeah, because they're not
• 1:39:05
  running bloody wet suits. They've got the.
• 1:39:07
  Zip on the back? Yeah, I don't get it.
• 1:39:13
  And now this is going to follow up badly because my my 1 was
• 1:39:16
  also aimed at a triathlete. But it could be anyone.
• 1:39:20
  It was just that the example was a triathlete and maybe a bit of
• 1:39:25
  an A loser. And preface it by saying I'm,
• 1:39:27
  I'm not trying to slag triathletes off because I have a
• 1:39:30
  a growing respect for the sport after the getting involved with
• 1:39:33
  the Tour de France and all this sorts of stuff.
• 1:39:35
  It could be the training exactly in my training might have to go
• 1:39:39
  down that road. But yeah, I've seen a video of
• 1:39:42
  this guy. I meant to write his name down
• 1:39:44
  as well because I didn't want to just say it generically, but I
• 1:39:46
  guess it's best not to call someone out directly.
• 1:39:50
  We'll talk about the situation. So he, he's winning an Iron Man
• 1:39:55
  race and he comes around like the final turn and Iron Man's
• 1:39:59
  always finish on like the run on like a carpeted bit, don't they?
• 1:40:03
  Like, it's quite well set up and they've got barriers for like
• 1:40:06
  the last however many meters. And he looks over his shoulder,
• 1:40:11
  sees that no one's there, and he has 20 meters or so to the
• 1:40:15
  finish. And he just stops and like,
• 1:40:17
  walks a good 510 meters across the finish line.
• 1:40:21
  And I just thought like, there's no need for that.
• 1:40:23
  It's a little bit arrogance, isn't it?
• 1:40:24
  Like celebrate across the line what it looks better for you and
• 1:40:28
  like, you're not really taking the piss out your competition.
• 1:40:30
  But don't know if I was stood there watching, I'd be inclined
• 1:40:34
  to cheer the person who finishes first and like, finishes that
• 1:40:37
  hard or like does a cool celebration.
• 1:40:41
  But if you just stop and walk across the line, I just think
• 1:40:43
  you look like a bit of a tool. Apologies to anyone who walks
• 1:40:47
  across the finish line. Glad I didn't walk over the
• 1:40:49
  finish line today. Maybe I'm salty because I don't
• 1:40:53
  get to go across the finish line first.
• 1:40:55
  I don't think it even register in my head unless you're
• 1:40:58
  absolutely in a world world of pain that you actually cannot
• 1:41:02
  cross the finish line to slow down or mock because I'm always
• 1:41:05
  thinking like extra second. Accelerate.
• 1:41:07
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:41:10
  Yeah, I'll say you're allowed to crawl across the line, that's
• 1:41:12
  definitely fine. But just casually walking as I
• 1:41:15
  know. You've seen that Jimmy Gressier
• 1:41:18
  video where he goes to in a cross country, goes to slide on
• 1:41:21
  his knees across the line, Just eat shit, yeah?
• 1:41:26
  He's had a few mad ones, hasn't he?
• 1:41:27
  I think we've said about this maybe.
• 1:41:29
  The sandwich. Across the tape as well.
• 1:41:32
  Yeah, yeah, stapled it and then the sandwich.
• 1:41:34
  Didn't he try and take a sandwich from someone in the
• 1:41:36
  crowd? He's crazy.
• 1:41:38
  It might be him as well. So someone I'd like to swig a
• 1:41:41
  beer once. And also what's going on?
• 1:41:43
  Yeah. But yeah.
• 1:41:44
  And yeah, but there there's those and probably the large
• 1:41:47
  majority of people slaving away for an extra second on RPB.
• 1:41:51
  All right, then I think that brings the show home guys,
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  unless you have anything you you'd like to say ahead of next
• 1:41:58
  week or things? I just have another little big
• 1:42:01
  week of training. Little big, yeah.
• 1:42:03
  So mediocre week of training to come up.
• 1:42:05
  And then, yeah, I'll be nationals, hopefully.
• 1:42:09
  I'm praying that I'm in the first race.
• 1:42:11
  Take the A race. When we find out.
• 1:42:14
  I really don't know, like I'd rather come last in the A race
• 1:42:17
  than win the B race to be honest.
• 1:42:20
  You just get dragged around to a much faster time.
• 1:42:22
  Just like marigami. Basic.
• 1:42:24
  Well, yeah, yeah, I want the opposite of that.
• 1:42:28
  Even though I was looking back at their results, I was 200 and
• 1:42:30
  60th. It's not freaking nuts.
• 1:42:34
  Yeah, yeah, it's crazy over there.
• 1:42:37
  But yeah, so just another just keep on letting these weeks add
• 1:42:40
  up. I'll probably take a little bit
• 1:42:41
  of downtime after this recuperate and then, yeah, start
• 1:42:45
  building again. See you guys.
• 1:42:48
  Yeah, just another week of training, I think so.
• 1:42:52
  But yeah, nothing particularly exciting.
• 1:42:54
  Hopefully I pull up. All right, And back at the track
• 1:42:56
  on Tuesday. Yeah, not much for me.
• 1:42:57
  Hopefully we can get another interview lined up again this
• 1:43:01
  week. I'll have to reach out to said
• 1:43:03
  participants who had provisionally said yes and
• 1:43:06
  hopefully they're still keen because that'll be a good one
• 1:43:09
  for the for the, for the listeners to listen to and also
• 1:43:13
  probably acknowledge the clubhouse that I've been
• 1:43:16
  mentioning and talking about on previous pods.
• 1:43:18
  We're still kind of working away on that.
• 1:43:20
  We think it's a really good idea to kind of get one big running
• 1:43:24
  group chat together of all the easy double listeners.
• 1:43:26
  So I was thinking like, to be fair, when that Chapman Gattach
• 1:43:30
  news came out and during the Diamond League, like imagine how
• 1:43:33
  sick it would have been if if we're up and running in the
• 1:43:35
  clubhouse and it would have been going off like everyone would
• 1:43:38
  have been saying all sorts. So yeah, we, we just want to, we
• 1:43:42
  want to take our time with it and, and land it well for, for
• 1:43:45
  the listeners because it's got really good potential.
• 1:43:48
  So thanks guys. We'll do it again, this time
• 1:43:51
  next week. Woo Ciao.