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The Weight We Carry | Power, Guilt, And Being Human #436 · Voices for Voices®

• 0:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hi everyone, Justin here with Voices for Voices.
• 0:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you so much for joining us today on this episode.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'll shift this camera a little bit around.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Okay.
• 0:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Really appreciate you being with us.
• 0:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're over 435 episodes total in our catalog.
• 0:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We couldn't do it without you, your demand, um, the interest in our in our show.
• 0:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we could have packed it up a long time ago, as I've mentioned many times before.
• 0:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, but we haven't, and we aren't.
• 0:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we're gonna continue moving on and we're gonna continue sharing, we're gonna continue talking about uh easy topics, we're gonna continue talking about tough topics, and it really comes um because that's that's the way life is, and uh we would be doing disservice to everybody if if we would just fluff everything up and make everything look to be perfect, because we know nothing's perfect, and uh so we would again be doing a a big disservice if if we just covered and talked about easy things that that happen uh to to us.
• 1:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we like talking about easy things that happen to us, uh, but sometimes there are things that aren't quite as uh on the happy scale, uh, more on the hard to hard to talk about, very very tough topics, very deep uh topics to uh and events to to talk about.
• 1:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So thank you for joining us.
• 1:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we're filming this today after the uh the the Super Bowl.
• 1:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I didn't watch any of it.
• 1:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um it appears that the Seattle Seahawks uh they they did a number on the New England Patriots.
• 2:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and so that's one aspect out of three.
• 2:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh the second aspect is the commercials.
• 2:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So some people tune in just for the commercials.
• 2:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, the most eyeballs, the most people for any one event usually is the American football super bowl.
• 2:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, and so organizations and brands tend to do a lot of uh their advertising and spending a lot of their budget for uh for commercials.
• 2:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so that's the second part.
• 2:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And the third part is the uh the the different halftime shows.
• 2:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So you have you know the NFL sponsored, you know, checking off all these boxes uh with Bad Bunny doing his performance.
• 3:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and then you have the uh the turning point USA uh Erica Kirk husband Charlie uh fortunately was assassinated last year, and there's just been a big rally around her, the movement, and and so there was a competition basically.
• 3:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh there were two choices, uh, and there were many millions uh from what early uh early numbers that are coming in, which is which is really incredible, um, because you don't really know until you do something.
• 3:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and and and sometimes that's that's when the measure comes in of how do we do?
• 3:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, we have expectations, but how did we do?
• 4:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we'll we'll hear more about that uh going into the into the future.
• 4:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But that really just sums up life for real, right?
• 4:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So think of you know the job market, think of anything, think of our podcast and TV show.
• 4:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There are so many shows, so many podcasts out there.
• 4:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and so people have tons of choices, so the competition is really, really high.
• 4:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So when we look at that, uh from what we're seeing with our numbers and um and others, uh, we're we're seeing that we are third behind uh the Dan Bongino show after after his uh strong year of service with uh deputy director of the FBI, the Dan Bongino show, uh, as well as the Joe Rogan experience.
• 5:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And you have the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast, which is really unheard of, um, as small of an organization as we are, uh it's just it's incredible.
• 5:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we uh we take what we do seriously, and that's why we talk about all topics, because we're number one, we're not a a one-and-done organization.
• 5:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So if we were just looking to get one topic across and just talk about that, that's that's okay.
• 5:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, there's there's sports casters and people to report on uh different sporting teams, and you know, they make a make a living on that, and and that's okay.
• 5:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um but we talk about everything.
• 6:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so we talk about pop culture, uh, we we talk about obviously mental health, uh, which is you know the uh uh the the big reason, the big foundation of why we're even uh on a show, why we have a show, uh because of mental health, because we talk about it, talk about my mental health, we'll talk about my mental illnesses.
• 6:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, not a lot of people want to talk about theirs.
• 6:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Some do, some don't, but not not a whole lot do when we look at the numbers.
• 6:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and then when we look at the numbers, you know, you from somebody who starts a podcast, you know, one episode to a hundred episodes, there's a certain amount of uh, I guess a certain amount of shows.
• 6:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then when you get to 200, you get even less.
• 6:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: When you get to 300, you get even less, 400 less.
• 7:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or sitting, you know, we we touch 435 episodes, and that's really remarkable for the operation.
• 7:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We have uh the lean, the lean staff we have, which means we don't have a lot of people.
• 7:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What you basically have is myself who does the editing, does the title, does the description, hashtags, all that across all platforms.
• 7:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Whether you're watching, whether you're listening, uh, that's the remarkable part.
• 7:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: These other shows we're talking about, they have staff, they have staffs.
• 7:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, a staff member does one thing, then another one does another.
• 7:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, we don't have that.
• 7:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, and we're a nonprofit also.
• 7:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that uh you know that that gets thrown in the in the mix, which we're asking if if if you'd be able to uh reach out to 25 people uh in your contacts in your phone and share the voices for voices TV show and podcast with them, let them know about us, share, give us a big thumbs up, like, follow, subscribe, all that.
• 8:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Those are free things to do.
• 8:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Reaching out again to people on your phone, uh or on other social media uh outlets and let them know about the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast.
• 8:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We'd greatly appreciate that.
• 8:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, that's how we're getting uh the attraction we're getting is really word of mouth.
• 8:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, and that's where that groundswell is really coming from, is uh word of mouth.
• 8:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's what I mean when I say it's because of you that we're where we're at.
• 9:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Why we even have a show, what makes us want to continue on, which is a question that we uh entertain a lot, is you know, why why you do this?
• 9:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Why are you continuing, among others?
• 9:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so that's that kind of gets us into uh into into the show a little bit deeper.
• 9:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So you know, we have competition.
• 9:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we have competition and right, so the Super Bowl, there's that competition between the games, competition between the advertisers, we have competition between you know podcast shows, TV shows.
• 9:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we have uh competition uh between people uh who are in the job market, uh which I am.
• 10:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So if you uh if you know anybody, let me know.
• 10:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'd love to reach out, have a conversation, and see if uh it might be good fit.
• 10:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so there's that competition as well that come comes into play.
• 10:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so that's kind of a that's a lot what we just talked about.
• 10:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, we're talking about, yeah, just there's so much competition, right?
• 10:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It is uh it's it's very interesting to have that.
• 10:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and especially with the world of AI being what it is and where it's going, you know, the competition just really continues to grow.
• 10:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because if we're just talking about searching for jobs, AI helps exponentially apply to more jobs, which can lead to overwhelming the organizations and the companies that have the jobs posted.
• 11:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's also these what they call ghost jobs, which the jobs are posted on the website, but then when it all comes down to it, they don't have company doesn't hire for those.
• 11:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Not all of them, as I just mentioned.
• 11:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's like you said, the ghost jobs, like somebody gets ghosted, where they're talking to somebody, and then they just dis one of one of the people just disappears, doesn't talk, doesn't respond.
• 12:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's like a ghost, right?
• 12:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Same thing with jobs, they're posted, may go through maybe an interview process, and then find out oh, this job's actually, you know, we went went through the budget and uh we're just not able to hire for this this position at this time.
• 12:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I've been there, done that.
• 12:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's uh I'm talking on the interview side, like on you know, applying, and so I've had that happen so so many times.
• 12:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's so frustrating uh when that that happens, and it's also frustrating when you go through you know three, four, sometimes five interviews just to find out that oh, we're just gonna hire from inside.
• 12:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and so I'm being very transparent with what's going on in the world.
• 13:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, companies can get upset, they can get mad, they can get furious that you know I'm talking about jobs in this manner, but it's the truth.
• 13:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So again, I'd rather be on the side of the truth than to try to you know put a fast one by people.
• 13:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like we're not stupid, like we're not dumb.
• 13:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we're human beings and we understand what's going on.
• 13:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so there's that, huh?
• 13:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, and then we have you know, the the talk about the Super Bowl.
• 13:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and from what I saw, the uh highlights, Seattle really uh did a number on uh the New England Patriots and Seattle Seahawks are the American football Super Bowl champions.
• 14:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, and one of the things that uh head coach of the Seattle Seahawks said when he was presented with the trophy that he wanted to thank God, that God put him in that position to coach that team to do what he did.
• 14:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I think it's very noble for somebody with millions and millions across the world tuning in uh to to share that and say that because on one side it's popular, and on one the other side it's not, and so it's it took a lot of a lot of uh being brave to talk about that uh in front of so many people.
• 14:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then that really takes us back in time, and I know we haven't talked about talked about this topic, and I was uh just a little bit ago.
• 15:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So there is Mother Angelica.
• 15:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So she grew up in a town close to where I grew up, and she made EWTN, the TV network, and all that, uh made it what it is today.
• 15:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And her show from 1994, which I was 13 years old when the show came out, uh just shows how relevant her show is today in the year 2026, uh, when a show what 20 years ago, 22 years ago, uh it is shown it's still still relevant.
• 16:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I was tune so I was tuning in to the show, flipping the channels, and it's amazing how many channels, TV channels, they're streaming or not streaming.
• 16:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's just amazing how many channels are out there that we don't tune into that we're like, uh I really don't want to watch this, I don't wanna I don't watch something different.
• 16:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and I saw I was in that mode of you know I I was flipping through channels and I wasn't finding anything, and and then I came across you know EWTN, uh which stands for Eternal Word uh Television Network EWTN and Mother Angelica founded it.
• 17:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It it being EWTN gets beamed out to hundreds of countries, uh and still today gets beamed out to hundreds of countries and she was talking about anger and how we need to at least try to you know forgive somebody even if they've done an act or actions that we would look at and go, no, that's probably not something, you know, how can we forgive somebody who does a particular action?
• 18:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And part of what she was speaking about was about how Jesus had the disciples and they still betrayed him when you know when uh I mean if you're thinking about sports like you know when the time really mattered, like like hey, I need I need I need help.
• 18:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I need can we get some can we get somebody to stand up for me?
• 18:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And he was betrayed and I'm just la I'm not laughing, it's not even funny.
• 19:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh the reason why I have this look on my face and and that is because I didn't know this next part.
• 19:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I didn't know this next part.
• 19:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So Pontius Pilate, for those that know about the Bible, know about that aspect is was the individual who you know the guards brought Jesus and said, Oh, he's he says he's the king of the Jews and uh and and all the people, you know, the crowd, we get this um bystander effect that we've talked about before where hardly anybody, if anybody, stood next to his side and said, No, don't do it.
• 20:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.
• 20:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And that includes the disciples, the people closest to him, the Last Supper people broke bread body and blood of Christ.
• 20:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: In the moment that Jesus needed at most, needed that most help.
• 21:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I believe it was Judas that uh turned him away three times, or I can't think of the the the term.
• 21:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, do you know this?
• 21:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Do you know this Jesus?
• 21:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Do you know this Jesus?
• 21:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He said, I do not know what you're talking about, I do not know this man.
• 21:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so the bystander effect, then you know, you get all the you get the crowds, and you know, it's people are like, crucify him, crucify him, crucify him.
• 21:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, and different dignitaries are passages on and gets to Pontius Pilate, and Pontius Pilate says, Yo, why?
• 21:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What has this man done?
• 22:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then people say, he says he's the king of the Jews.
• 22:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Do a miracle, do a miracle, do a miracle.
• 22:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They said, What is this?
• 22:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And Pontra says, What is does this man do?
• 22:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What did he do?
• 22:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And the crowd just keeps yelling, crucifying, crucifying, crucify him.
• 22:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, nobody came to his side.
• 22:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Nobody came to his aid.
• 22:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we all know what happens next.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He's crucified.
• 22:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And there are three, Jesus.
• 22:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I believe one was maybe a robber and another murderer.
• 22:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or don't quote me on exactly who the other two what sins, what they did that was enough for Pontius Pilate to say, yep, we need to crucify these these other two as well.
• 23:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So what's this have to do with anything?
• 23:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: First of all, it's Jesus Christ.
• 23:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it has a lot to do with everything in the world.
• 23:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like my faith has been very shaky at times.
• 23:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's hard to be a believer when sometimes things can look like they're not going your way or my way.
• 24:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Nothing's going right.
• 24:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, like big deal.
• 24:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Some of it went to the counter and some went onto the floor.
• 24:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Just pick it up.
• 24:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Clean it up.
• 24:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not a big deal.
• 24:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so the person pilot was the one that basically signed a death warrant.
• 25:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: As we would say, I guess, you know, like a governor.
• 25:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If we're in the United States of America signing a death warrant and not intervening, if any of the courts haven't been to go forward with the death penalty, if that's what somebody is convicted of and charged and convicted, and trial and all the appeals.
• 25:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So mental health-wise, this is all heavy.
• 25:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is all a lot to think about.
• 25:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So bringing it back to Mother Angelica's show, which I didn't I didn't know.
• 26:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I didn't know this.
• 26:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But Mother Angelica said that Pontius Pilate died by suicide later in life.
• 26:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know what year it was, I don't know how closely it was related to the day that he had Jesus crucified.
• 26:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know.
• 26:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so a lot of us, you know, think about suicide and taking our own lives.
• 26:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And people who have almost like this is the new age thing.
• 26:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like that this is a progressive thing that it's only started maybe I don't I don't know how many years ago.
• 27:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But I didn't know it was a thing all the way back in Jesus' time and after he passed.
• 27:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So when we talk about subjects that have heavy weight on them.
• 27:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, I'm not gonna get into the we're not gonna get into like why he did it, how it happened, what year it was.
• 27:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're not gonna get into that.
• 28:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Talking two thousand years ago, give or take, or more.
• 28:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, that's mind blowing to me.
• 28:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because here is a person who was in power who can see who by all accounts had everything a person would want power, control over people.
• 28:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we would say, well, so what's what would he have to be so concerned about that he felt impelled compelled to take his life, his own life.
• 29:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I'm bringing this more up just as a conversation, as thoughts, as comments.
• 29:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, I don't know the specifics.
• 29:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe we'll have a show someday where we'll talk about it.
• 29:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I just learned about this watching the Mother Angelica show.
• 29:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You can say and think what you want about her, and you don't have to be a believer.
• 30:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, so we'll do what they say, and then I crucify Jesus with the other the other two as well at the same time.
• 30:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So again, if somebody has so much power, so much influence, why would why would they why would they feel compelled to take their own life?
• 30:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know.
• 30:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm I'm not trying to answer that question.
• 30:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean the big thing for me, the big takeaway is that he did it.
• 30:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't know what was eaten at his the core of his inside, of what happened, why what led to that moment or moments that maybe spiraled out of control.
• 31:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's just a heavy, heavy topic.
• 31:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we think you know, we think of kings and queens and princesses and princes, and you know, we think about people uh again, they they by all intents and purposes have everything they need, everything they want.
• 31:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then we look at well, I want to I want to buy a Ferrari, I want to buy a mansion at one location or another.
• 32:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I want to have a condo, I want to buy a private jet, I want to buy a yacht, I want to do all these things and you know have control and power over people.
• 32:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But yeah, you can't take it with you.
• 32:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I've talked about this at length.
• 32:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You cannot take it with you.
• 32:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's a real heavy topic, you know, to talk about here at the beginning of the week, here in 2026.
• 32:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I was just I was just absolutely floored when I heard that Pilate took his own life.
• 32:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, we talk about stigma and things like we we don't know what's going on in somebody else's life.
• 33:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They may have, again, by all intents and purposes, have everything that a person would need and want.
• 33:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But maybe not.
• 33:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe there was still some searching going on.
• 33:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe there was I don't know, maybe there was some guilt.
• 33:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe he found out some truths that he was a part of that he wasn't fully aware of at the given time.
• 33:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know.
• 33:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not gonna speculate.
• 33:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so we talk about a lot, a lot of different topics on our shows.
• 34:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And this one, it's you know, we go from a little bit lighthearted, I guess, you know, competition-wise, and then we get into this, where we're not talking about on this show at least, this particular episode, somebody taking their own life, talking about hundreds of years ago, thousand, a couple thousand years ago.
• 34:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So this whole stigma deal isn't something that just started yesterday or 20 years ago or 30 years ago.
• 34:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it gives us a lot of a lot of food for thought.
• 34:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So thank you for joining us on this episode of the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast.
• 35:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm your host, Justin Allen Hayes.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We thank you for joining us on this and our over 435 episodes of the the voices for voices TV show and podcast.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let's celebrate the voices of everybody.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let's be a voice for ourselves and somebody else in need, and we will see you on our next show.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you so much, and let them know.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let your friends, family, colleagues, teammates, uh, your choirmates, uh, let them know about voices for voices.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We have big goals.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We've reached over a hundred countries and provinces and territories and over a thousand cities.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now our goal is to reach 3,000 cities in 300 countries, and our big overarching goal is to help and reach at least three billion people over the course of my lifetime and beyond.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it's only going to be with you through your help.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, thank you so much.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We love you.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you for the support for sending good vibes your way, whether you're a believer or not, and have a great day.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We'll see you later.