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When the Phone Rings | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 83 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is T about K Rambles.
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  We're a couple of friends review Korean dramas and we're back for
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  another season 6 episode. We're going to cover when the
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  phone rings and I got with me my friend Carol from the K Drama
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  Musings podcast. Carol, what is up?
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  How are you? New year, what's going on?
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  Hi. Hi, everyone.
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  This is my first podcast recording of the year.
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  I'm very excited to be here. I'm doing OK.
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  I'm just getting off of a cold, so forgive my voice, but I'm
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  doing OK. I'm ready to talk about when the
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  phone rings. Listen, the show had me in a
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  chokehold until it didn't. And I'm trying to.
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  I was telling Jess, I'm trying to figure out, am I going to
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  like go hard and be in defense of the show or am I?
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  We'll see. We'll see, We'll see.
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  We'll stay tuned. So this episode came about
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  because we were set to record an episode on Love Next Door, and
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  what ended up happening was I dropped that show and Carol, you
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  managed to finish it. And so we ended up getting
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  together for a debrief. Episode.
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  On just the Patreon feed and we had a lot of fun.
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  We talked a lot of shit and I I was like, well, we had to like
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  do something else because I really do love recording with
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  you. I I want to get something up on
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  the on the real feed for Tibock. And when the phone rings was
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  taken the Airways by storm. Everyone was watching when the
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  phone rings. You were really excited about it
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  and posting about it on social media.
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  And I was like, Carol, if I start when the phone rings, like
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  do you want to make that our replacement Love Next Door
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  episode on the Tibock feed? And you said, yeah, absolutely
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  for sure. Yeah.
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  I almost didn't even finish when the phone rings.
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  You were at. One point, like you got real
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  quiet about when the phone rings on your social and I was like,
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  this isn't looking good. And I messaged you and I was
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  like, Carol, are you still on for that?
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  Like, 'cause I can push through and like finish this show if you
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  want to do the episode. And you were like, we don't have
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  to like you were even like, we don't have to do anything.
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  And I was. Like.
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  Are you sure? Long story short.
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  We're here, we're going to do it.
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  We have gathered some thoughts together about this show, about
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  this experience, and we're ready to like do a mini deep dive.
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  I really don't expect us to be here for like a 2 hour shindig,
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  but like, here we go. But before we do all this,
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  the free patrons as well. All right, we're gonna get into
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  this, Carol. OK.
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  OK. I have a disclaimer.
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  Yes, please. Please, any trigger warnings,
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  disclaimers, anything you wanna put at the front of this.
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  Two things #1 if you do follow me on social media, by now
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  you've seen the trend of me going so silent.
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  It just it just, you know, it could either mean I hate it, I'm
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  embarrassed, I don't want to talk about it anymore, or it
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  could be like just a personal experience for me, OK.
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  Yeah. #2 this was a fever dream and I stand on back when the
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  phone rings was a fever dream that I am here to defend.
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  So let's get into it all right. So the My Drama List synopsis
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  reads picks on. The youngest presidential
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  spokesman in Korea comes from a prestigious political family.
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  His background includes roles as a war correspondent, OK hostage
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  negotiator and news anchor. Three years ago, he married Hong
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  Hiju, a mute sign language interpreter and the adopted
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  second daughter of a newspaper proprietor.
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  Maybe you could say media mogul. I feel like that's a better way
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  to say what her family is and does.
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  Their marriage, based on convenience has been distant and
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  cold. However, when Hiju is kidnapped,
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  their lives and relationship are changed.
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  This show is adapted from the web novel The Number You Have
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  Dialed by Con O Munyo. I hope I said that right.
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  It has taken us by storm in just a few months, November 2024
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  through January 2025, it was airing.
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  And I think it was delayed a few times because of, I don't know,
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  the impeachment of the South Korean president.
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  And some other factors have pushed some episodes into 2025.
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  Because it's only 12 episodes long, there really should be no
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  reason why I was airing for three months.
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  But here we are. It's directed by Pak Sangu.
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  He's also directed The Forbidden Marriage, Never Twice and My
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  Secret Terrius, which I really do want to watch My Secret
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  Terrius. I've heard really good things
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  about that one, and I personally liked The Forbidden Marriage.
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  Have you seen this director's work before?
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  Yes, I've I've seen all of it and hit or miss, but generally I
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  like it. All right, this show is written
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  by or adapted you could say by Kim Jong Un.
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  She has written Melancholia, Doctor John, Hi, Juggle me and
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  Tong Dong Dong Alice. When I saw she had written Tong
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  Dong Dong Alice I was like what a throwback.
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  That is a 20/12/2013 show that I remember vividly dropping.
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  Did you watch these shows? I did.
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  I did. I OK.
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  Chung Dung Dong Alice with Mungo in, I believe her name was.
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  Yeah, I watched it. I didn't drop it back then.
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  I didn't know how to drop a drama.
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  It just wasn't. Yeah, but hi, Jekyll and and me,
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  I watched it and I think I liked it at the time, but I tried to
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  watch it again recently and I was like, Oh no, no, OK, but I
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  haven't watched. I didn't watch Melancholia.
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  It's not my genre. This show stars you young suck
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  as Pixon. He's our male lead.
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  He is 40 years old. I just wanna say that 'cause I
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  feel like there's a movement online that's like, you can't
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  have age gaps, You can have people that are different ages.
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  And I'm the first one to cry about an inappropriate age gap.
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  He's 40 years old. No one said a word.
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  No one said shit about him being 40.
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  Chase Subin is the female lead playing Hong Yi Jo.
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  She's 30. That's a 10 year double digit
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  age gap here. OK, 10 years.
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  Ten years. No one said anything about it
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  but like The thing is, it's the same people that are salivating
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  over this show with a 10 year age gap between the leads.
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  Yeah. That bitch about the four years
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  in 2521? Between those. 2 characters.
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  Well, if you think about 30 and 40, that's different from 20
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  something and whatever they were and.
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  People were like, she's in high school.
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  He's a grown man. I'm like, it's four years, OK.
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  I don't want to get into 2521 'cause I feel like I did.
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  We did cover that aspect in the review for it, but oh, I wanted
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  to say we did cover Mr. Sunshine from 2018, which is a Yu Yun Suk
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  drama that is the best he's ever looked.
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  I I was going to say I agree but.
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  Where are you? Where are you drawing the line
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  here? I personally like him.
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  I like Yu Yun Suk in terms of the best.
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  You know that. I call it the mane of glory, the
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  little mustache that was sexy, that was sexy, that was really,
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  really hot. But in this drama, I don't know
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  whether it was just him wearing black.
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  Maybe it was the whole like, I don't know.
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  I don't know. It worked.
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  It worked for me. Yeah, it worked for me.
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  OK, that was a discussion that I was having in the DMS too,
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  because I was like, I don't really get.
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  I mean, he's a wonderful actor. I've seen him in Mr. Sunshine
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  Hospital Playlist, a werewolf boy movie from 2012 where he's
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  just awful, awful feeling character, the Royal Taylor, the
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  beauty inside, more, more of his movie stuff.
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  I vividly remember watching Reply in 1994 and thinking this
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  guy's ugly, so we're here. We're here all these years
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  later, over 10 years later, and I'm now realizing that people
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  really think he's attractive. You know.
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  And that's why I was like, oh, that's a sword for me.
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  But I, I. Swear for me but that's OK, I'm
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  not going to yuck your Yum. But it's surprising especially
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  now because he's ever since hospital playlist I feel people
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  have been talking about him. He's he's around circulating on
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  the socials and that's fine. Great love to see it for him.
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  Love that for him. But personally, he is baseline,
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  not my cup of tea, OK? For me personally, please don't
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  come for me and be like, oh, how can you think that way?
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  It's me. In my opinion, OK doesn't do it
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  for me, except for Mr. Sunshine. Oh my God, I was losing my shit
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  at Mr. Sunshine. He was fantastic.
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  Fantastic. He was, he was amazing.
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  Performance wise, looks wise. Just the the outfits he was
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  wearing and I think he is. I think a little bit more flesh
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  works for me. I feel that I'll just leave it
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  at. That I feel that, so I want to
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  put that at the top. Chesubin, What's your experience
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  with Chesubin, the female lead? Oh, I was.
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  I was going to come on really strong and I had.
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  To I thought you like check yourself.
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  What happened there? I remember it.
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  I got to be politically correct. She's not my favorite.
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  I do not like to watch her. In fact, I had no plans to watch
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  this drama, so I didn't know anything about the drama.
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  And when I hit episode one play, I was really watching for him
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  and I was like, you know what? Her expression is the same from
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  episode 1 to 12, but it works for her character, so let's move
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  on, OK? Let's just move on.
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  I really loved I'm Not a Robot, and that's the thing that I
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  remember her most from. Me too with the.
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  Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yui Sung Ho.
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  Uh huh. Yes.
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  Yes, that was good. That was good.
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  So what did you think about when the phone rings, Carol?
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  OK, with the mind that it was a fever dream, right?
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  OK, I thought it was really entertaining.
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  I will Episode 1 to like four. I was just like, OK, it took me
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  a while, but the endings always had me hooked to see what would
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  happen next. So I was like, OK, OK, I'll keep
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  watching. And then you rolled up.
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  It's just. The look on your face, the
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  furrow of the brows, You're just looking and you're looking
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  around the room like where's the where's the camera?
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  And I was watching this and I was just like, I'm not even
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  using my brain. There is like so much drama in
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  my real life. This, this makes my drama look
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  like peanuts. So I'm enjoying it, right?
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  And then we get to like 5 and 6 and I'm like.
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  When the Nigerian comes out, I just, I love it.
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  Didn't this guy say he's really smart?
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  And what's going on? I don't know.
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  No. OK, Carol, just keep, just keep
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  trucking along. By like bring it in.
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  Really. Episode 6.
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  Wait wait wait wait. No spoilers.
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  Not spoilers, but you could say episode 6.
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  OK, episode 6 just the we woke up in episode 7 and it was just
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  like, Oh yeah, episode 6 happened.
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  I was just like, oh, you guys are taking me for fools.
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  Oh, oh, so I'm, I'm really sitting here.
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  You didn't even give me memory loss.
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  I would have preferred memory loss.
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  I would have loved a little bit of amnesia.
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  It would have felt like home, but you robbed me of a memory
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  loss. We're going to have to start
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  there in the spoiler section, but I'll jump in here and say I
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  started watching the show again. Didn't know any, never read the
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  webtoon, never read anything or knew anything about the drama.
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  I just knew it was popular and people were really enjoying it.
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  And you young suck as a panty dropper.
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  Oh news to me. OK, so I showed up episode 1 and
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  again, I bring it up because in episode 1 he comes in with a
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  flourish and he's the talk of this party.
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  But this isn't a spoiler, but people are going Oh my God, he's
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  so handsome. And you can hear it in the bad
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  English that they have circulating in this scene and in
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  the subtitles. They're also calling attention
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  to the fact that he's so good looking.
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  And I'm like, unfortunately that's not working on me.
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  Like to to gaslight me into thinking that he's good looking
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  but OK. The suits didn't work for you.
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  No. He looks great.
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  He looks sharp, he looks fresh when I stop him on the street
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  and be like, can I have your number?
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  No. OK, OK.
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  No, but the again personal thing.
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  So I was already kind of like thrown with the some of that
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  gaslighting too. It's the same thing that if an
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  obviously good looking person is playing what's supposed to be an
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  ugly character and everyone in the show is saying, God, they're
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  so ugly, I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
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  That's how I felt. Yeah, true.
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  Oh, true beauty. Anyway, another episode you can
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  scroll back to and listen to because that was another crazy
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  one. But I'm already on my guard, on
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  guard here, like looking around. Where's the next thing that
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  they're going to try and make me believe?
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  And The thing is, I didn't have to wait too long.
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  This plot is preposterous. It's ludicrous.
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  This isn't a a spoiler, but like, she has selective mutism.
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  That's the story in episode 1. And I'm like, all right, all
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  right, it's a thing. It's real.
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  But already I'm like, this is going down a path that I don't
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  think I want to follow. But after episode 1, I was like,
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  you know what? Let me just shut my brain off.
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  Thank you. You critical thinking babes.
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  Yeah. I'm like, you know what?
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  Let me just shut it down. I'll watch this.
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  And I was coasting through each episode.
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  I did not think it was particularly amazing.
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  I did not think it was binge worthy.
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  I did not think that this was the best show in the planet.
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  I did not think their chemistry. I've never seen this kind of
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  chemistry before in my life. No, no, no.
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  I was just. That's true.
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  Chill. I was chill watching the show,
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  happy as a clam. Like it was a nothing show,
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  whatever. Then episode 6 happens and I was
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  like, if you guys aren't going to fucking take this seriously,
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  Like I almost, I almost shut off the whole show.
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  I was like, you know what I remember?
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  You DM me and she's like Carol, explain yourself.
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  I'm like, what are you having? To explain.
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  Because we had already agreed that we were going to do this
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  episode review. And I was like, Carol, you need
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  to talk me through this because I'm struggling here.
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  I can't believe they did this thing.
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  It really didn't improve after that for me.
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  Then I stopped watching at episode 10 and I was like, OK,
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  I'll watch other things like Squid Game.
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  I'll watch finish watching No game no love.
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  I'll watch spice up our love. I'll I'll watch anything but
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  this until this thing finishes and I got some time on my hands
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  to finish out the show. Girl, when I saw the visceral
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  reaction to the final two episodes, I busted a gut from
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  laughing. I was so entertained by the
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  uproar, the backlash, so to speak, to the final two
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  episodes. And I was like, oh, now
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  everybody thinks it's a bad show.
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  And The thing is. I don't know if people have
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  necessarily watched Makjiang before.
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  You know, that's a fair comment, This.
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  Show was a crash course in Makjiang.
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  Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree.
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  By like episode 11, people had taken enough ibuprofen and they
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  were just like, hang on, now I'm I'm getting some clarity.
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  I'm. I'm gaining enlightenment here.
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  It's. Like what is going on?
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  A lot of questions, very few answers, plot holes that were
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  really plot chasms and a lot of people didn't seem to care about
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  it until the final episode. I was genuinely shocked and
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  enthused by the reaction. I will.
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  I will say I was one of those people who by the ending I was
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  absolutely pissed off. Not because I was just like,
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  where's the growth of this character?
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  Talk about it. Where is the sense with this
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  character? You're supposedly a really smart
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  go to person and then you pull a oh, I'm leaving to punish
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  myself? What?
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  I thought you said you wanted this person in your life and you
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  want to spend time with them and then you just ghost them because
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  you feel so bad and you knew your wife knows and she still
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  chose you and you still dipped and then you're now dashing
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  people money in this economy left and right and you expect me
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  to be OK with like I I just, I didn't understand why he ghosted
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  her. I I can sort of I didn't like
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  the whole job. Let's.
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  Keep Let's keep non spoiler section so we'll talk about the
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  ending in depth and the spoilers like.
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  My bad, my bad. I just got heated.
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  No, it's OK. It's OK.
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  We'll get real heated, I'm sure, in the spoiler section.
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  But I I agree with you in that there were plot holes.
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  I remember sitting in my couch and I was talking to myself and
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  I was talking to like, I had two personalities.
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  I was like, you know, I can excuse plot holes, but I draw
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  the line at incompetence police. And my other person is like, you
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  can excuse plot holes. Yeah.
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  What the heck? The cop incompetence police just
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  pissed me off and I and that's when I was finally like I'm not
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  really liking this show. I don't like incompetence
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  police, but somehow plot holes are fine so we move.
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  I have said this before and I will keep saying it.
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  I am a plot person. If the plot don't make no sense,
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  I just don't coast by on vibes and aura like that doesn't work
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  for me. Yeah, I get you.
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  And The thing is, I can get interesting vibes, sexy vibes,
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  whatever from a TikTok edit from a photo shoot that this couple
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  does, and I can get that high from that.
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  But if I'm sitting there to watch an hour long show and it
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  don't make no sense, you're telling me a story like you're
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  storytelling. That's that's what I'm here for.
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  And the story is not making no sense.
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  That's when I'm like, you know what?
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  No, and I've said this before too, I'm not a mock Jung person.
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  I got scared by the last Empress.
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  I got real scared. And.
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  This show gave Last Empress vibes.
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  It's real mock Jung and I. I don't think people were
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  prepared for it. I don't know if it was
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  necessarily marketed as such. I don't know.
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  I don't know what went wrong. But you know, from episode 1,
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  you could tell this was stupid. Like it was going to be
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  unbelievable. And yeah, you have to suspend
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  your disbelief, but up to what point?
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  Up to episode 6. Up to episode 6.
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  For me, it was Episode 6. I wasn't going, this is a
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  masterpiece. This is my favorite couple ever
• 23:03
  and and that's what I was seeing like everywhere.
• 23:06
  I don't. I will never say they were my
• 23:09
  favorite couple, but I will say that personally for me, when we
• 23:16
  are talking about top dramas of 2024 in my list, it's up there
• 23:22
  because it gave me something. Yeah, I think it gave you more
• 23:28
  than it gave anything to me. Exactly.
• 23:32
  Which is why I was excited to cover 'cause I was like, OK,
• 23:34
  Carol loves it. Fantastic.
• 23:35
  And. Then I went silent.
• 23:39
  I just feel like last year did not give and to have that at the
• 23:44
  end of the year, and I love a mahjong, I'm always seated for a
• 23:48
  mahjong, but to have that at the end of the year felt very, it
• 23:53
  had me like dissing people out loud in my own space.
• 24:00
  It gave me a reaction, which is what I wanted versus the trunk,
• 24:06
  which I didn't really react to it like on social media
• 24:11
  especially, but that has been on.
• 24:14
  I've seen it 6 Times Now, but that has like constantly been on
• 24:19
  my mind where I'm thinking. So that was my plot, if you
• 24:23
  will. I know that's controversial.
• 24:25
  That is controversial, okay. But when the phone rings gave me
• 24:32
  like crash out. It was.
• 24:34
  That's what it is. It allowed me to crash out and
• 24:38
  be like yes this is what I needed so.
• 24:40
  There's a lot going on in this show and actually like, not that
• 24:44
  much going on too. But what was your favorite
• 24:49
  character like? Let's get some positives in
• 24:51
  here. My favorite character, you know,
• 24:57
  maybe he was so annoying, but he was entertaining the guy in his
• 25:04
  office who was like taking the couple pictures and giving him
• 25:08
  advice for his wife. Right.
• 25:10
  So that's Lim Chul SU is that actor, and he's been in so many
• 25:14
  things, right? Yes.
• 25:16
  Vincenzo. I remember him in that.
• 25:18
  Yeah. I feel like he might have been
• 25:20
  in Queen of Tears. As well, I think because of
• 25:24
  Vincenzo and his character and that I really.
• 25:27
  He got talk about it. He did, but, but I really
• 25:30
  thought he would turn out to be a bad guy in this one.
• 25:35
  Like that's where my mind was. So when by the end, when I was
• 25:39
  like, oh, he's just, he's just just, I was like, well, that's
• 25:43
  wasted potential. Right, like we're expecting a
• 25:47
  subversion. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:50
  Give me something. But yeah, I think I liked him
• 25:54
  and I liked the male lead because, well.
• 25:59
  Because, because Because. Like because he gives good
• 26:03
  kissing scenes I will. Not take that from him.
• 26:06
  No one's going to take that away from.
• 26:08
  I will not take that away from him.
• 26:09
  He's a wonderful kisser. What was he doing?
• 26:13
  He was like doing them open mouth kisses in this show and
• 26:16
  just like eating her up. And yeah, that was great.
• 26:20
  Love it. Not going to complain about
• 26:21
  that. And she's got a good kiss as
• 26:24
  well in I'm Not a Robot. That's a damn big kiss that she
• 26:29
  has in that show, too. So it's not like she's far
• 26:31
  behind you young suck. But yeah, I would say my
• 26:37
  favorite character has to deal. Well, it's two.
• 26:40
  It's the second male lead and the second female lead who ends
• 26:44
  up being the second couple in the show because I was like,
• 26:47
  let's stick with them. I think there's something there.
• 26:50
  And I was expecting more exploration of their romance and
• 26:56
  just flushing that out more. And we're on like the 10th
• 27:00
  kidnapping, and these two are like, nowhere to be seen.
• 27:03
  And I'm like, but they're so compelling.
• 27:06
  And I don't know, there was something, yeah, interesting
• 27:08
  about them. They don't get the time of day
• 27:11
  in this show. That's true.
• 27:13
  The second male lead, there was one moment where I felt like,
• 27:18
  oh, is this my bad guy? Like this is what I mean by when
• 27:22
  I was watching this show I wasn't watching with any kind of
• 27:26
  sense because I wasn't like forward thinking.
• 27:31
  I was going at the pace the show is telling me to go and trying
• 27:36
  to figure out who the bad person or bad guy or girl is.
• 27:41
  So there was a point where I thought the second male lead, he
• 27:45
  tricked me. In my opinion, he was driving
• 27:48
  her from that orphanage or that rich people house in the car and
• 27:54
  the way man turned and looked at her, yeah, and said I know you
• 28:00
  can speak or something like that.
• 28:02
  That moment was very threatening for foreboding to me.
• 28:07
  So I was like, oh, is this? Is this my bad guy?
• 28:10
  And that's how he's written, right?
• 28:11
  He's presumably going to be the second male lead the love
• 28:15
  triangle between you and suck character Chase Subin and then
• 28:18
  this guy who's Ho Nam Jun that actor and he plays Sangu and
• 28:24
  that would have been fine. That would have been perfectly
• 28:26
  adequate. And then they changed it and
• 28:28
  were like, is this second male lead actually the villain and in
• 28:34
  on this plot and somehow pulling strings and you don't know and
• 28:38
  he sort of knows too much and what's going on here.
• 28:42
  Why is he inserting himself in this investigation?
• 28:44
  And I don't know. And maybe maybe the fact that
• 28:47
  he's a YouTube, what was he, he was like a doctor YouTube who,
• 28:52
  which have workout videos of himself, like shirtless and
• 28:56
  working out in the gym. And I'm like, OK, this guy
• 28:58
  exists. Like, first of all, second of
• 29:01
  all, yeah, I can believe a YouTube is sketchy and yeah, you
• 29:07
  know, has this double life or whatever, all of that taken
• 29:11
  together. It it was a lot of misdirections
• 29:13
  and red herrings. And he is a big red herring in
• 29:16
  this show. I agree.
• 29:18
  Did I hate it? Not really, because it was it
• 29:21
  was almost like on the list of concerns, like he's wasted way
• 29:24
  down here on the show. But once they kind of clear his
• 29:28
  name, I'm like, give me more. Like I'm confused, he's fine as
• 29:34
  shit, why am I here? That's true.
• 29:37
  That's true. And honestly, even for the
• 29:40
  reporter or the is she a reporter or like a?
• 29:43
  Yeah, she was like a news. Anchor, anchor even for her.
• 29:47
  They could have turned up the Mack Jong with her like really
• 29:51
  going after him in front of her face and she doesn't know she's
• 29:57
  the wife. And I expected a, I guess I
• 30:01
  expected a richer reveal, like she's the wife.
• 30:05
  And yeah, they could have done. It was just like a little with
• 30:11
  the second couple, like everything about them.
• 30:14
  Was. Was just a little lackluster for
• 30:18
  Dung Cutie that that's the actress who plays Judy, the news
• 30:23
  anchor. I just thought she was so nice
• 30:27
  and precious and refreshing because I thought from episode
• 30:30
  one that she was going to be in this mean girl role because she
• 30:35
  could have easily been the mean girl to hate.
• 30:39
  You. And that just didn't happen.
• 30:40
  She was a lot more layered. And I like this, this character
• 30:45
  a lot. And again, and she's just
• 30:47
  shortchanged in this show. I feel shortchanged with them
• 30:51
  too. You know what the show feels
• 30:53
  like and I want to shout out Marissa from the K3 'cause I
• 30:58
  visited her and she had this book of Korean, all the Korean
• 31:03
  actors, and it was sort of like a portfolio to sell them to
• 31:09
  Hollywood. This really like from beginning
• 31:13
  to end it felt like a promo video for you Yun suck to go on
• 31:21
  to bigger things, it really did. 100 percent, 100% because I'm
• 31:26
  not going to fault the show for having a pretty good male weed
• 31:30
  who can act his way through a shitty script.
• 31:33
  Like I'm sorry to tell you like that happens all the time.
• 31:36
  Anywhere you go, Hollywood and obviously K drama land.
• 31:40
  You can have a great actors spinning a bad script into gold,
• 31:44
  but to me it always it's very telling that they're just doing
• 31:49
  the best they can off of a crap script.
• 31:52
  Yeah, with what they've got. With what they got like he can
• 31:55
  give 110% and he's. Like.
• 31:59
  Doing something stupid, ridiculous, and that's the whole
• 32:04
  show. It's just a lot of ridiculous
• 32:06
  and they're doing the best they can.
• 32:11
  That's why I can't completely hate it, because they worked
• 32:15
  really hard and you can. I don't think I've seen.
• 32:20
  That I don't fault the actors. True, that's a story.
• 32:25
  They don't have anything to do with the scripts.
• 32:27
  They don't write it. They didn't write the web novel.
• 32:31
  They have really nothing to do with the issues that we're
• 32:33
  talking about because they're unless they were acting shit.
• 32:37
  They did their job right. Like I'm not mad at Yu Yun Sok,
• 32:40
  Chesubin Ho, Nam Jun or Dung Cutie.
• 32:44
  They showed up to work like it's a paycheck for them and they did
• 32:48
  what they were supposed. To.
• 32:49
  They did Pak. Jayun who plays.
• 32:51
  The kidnapper. He showed up and did what he.
• 32:54
  Was supposed to do. He played crazy, he was chewing
• 32:57
  up seeing her, he had these facial ticks and shit.
• 32:59
  And I'm like OK, I hope that check.
• 33:01
  Cleared. Because he's doing it, he's
• 33:04
  doing it. He's showing up it.
• 33:06
  It looks crazy, as it should, that whole storyline.
• 33:10
  Well, ridiculous. I don't know if we.
• 33:14
  Can get into it right now, but did you have a least favorite
• 33:18
  character? Least favorite?
• 33:20
  Character. Oh, I don't know, Actually,
• 33:25
  maybe No, I don't. Grandpa.
• 33:28
  The grandpa who died, OK. Yeah, that's Jung Dong Huang.
• 33:34
  He plays Pick Jungle. He's the patriarch who has giant
• 33:39
  portraits of himself and all of the properties the family owns.
• 33:44
  That guy, I knew he was. Oh God, I knew he was villain
• 33:48
  from jump because he was the dad in the airs.
• 33:53
  Yeah, that's. Right.
• 33:54
  Yes, He's never gotten. Off my shit list ever since the
• 33:57
  airs. I don't care that the airs is a
• 33:59
  bad show. Like I consider it a bad show.
• 34:02
  It's not good. But he again did his job.
• 34:05
  He was terrible. Bile made everybody miserable,
• 34:09
  and I'm like, he's going to keep doing that.
• 34:12
  Honestly. Him and Hiju's mom, I feel like
• 34:16
  they deserve each other. They do.
• 34:19
  Also the sister. The sister I did.
• 34:22
  Like what she did was shitty. Yes, we're gonna have to talk
• 34:25
  about. Her little and she was useless.
• 34:28
  Useless, useless. Character like her like.
• 34:32
  The sister and Hiju's dad. I'm just like what are you 2
• 34:36
  people doing here? The story you just taking up
• 34:39
  space. Exactly.
• 34:41
  It can't go on without. You like the sister coming back
• 34:44
  made no sense to me 'cause I feel like the story would have
• 34:48
  progressed at the pace it would have even if she weren't there.
• 34:55
  The dad who's in the facility, Hong E Ju's dad, yes, another
• 35:01
  completely. Like I feel like a lot of
• 35:03
  characters, side characters. Are just conduits.
• 35:06
  To push this ridiculous plot forward and they have like one
• 35:09
  line and then they do one thing and then they're they're written
• 35:13
  off like basically written off the show because they've served
• 35:15
  their purpose. And that's not how I view
• 35:19
  characters and so many characters right.
• 35:22
  We just actually like 4 characters that do one shitty
• 35:25
  thing and it like makes everything fall apart or.
• 35:29
  Or they don't do a shitty. Thing, but they express some
• 35:31
  craziness or have a line that serves some function in this
• 35:36
  plot and I don't think that makes a good character, no.
• 35:40
  I don't think so too. Kind of like the secretary.
• 35:45
  The secretary of yeah, the like minion guy.
• 35:49
  Peck sounds. Dad he had the most useless
• 35:53
  conversation that has ever happened in the history of K
• 35:57
  drama because I was just like he choose leaving.
• 36:00
  Can I get into it? OK, you know what?
• 36:03
  Let's just rate the show out of five soldier bottles and then
• 36:05
  we're going to get into the spoiler section and all bets are
• 36:08
  off. OK, I thought we went for the
• 36:11
  jugular in the non spoiler section, but oh, buckle up.
• 36:14
  So. What did What would you rate the
• 36:17
  show? Out of five soldier bottles, I'd
• 36:19
  rate it a four. Over 5 no.
• 36:24
  I can't believe. It so you would still rate it
• 36:27
  high? I'm still rating it high.
• 36:30
  I'm still rating it high because just for the experience.
• 36:34
  Yeah, what? About you, I would well.
• 36:37
  I would rate it to OK what? Would you rate Queen of Tears?
• 36:43
  Well, I haven't watched Queen of.
• 36:44
  Tears number one. OK, then that's the.
• 36:46
  End. OK, that's it.
• 36:48
  I'm not gonna say. But I have several people in my
• 36:53
  DMS who I don't know quarterly tell me to watch Queen of Tears.
• 36:58
  I'm here to set the record straight.
• 37:00
  I don't think I ever will watch Queen of Tears if you think
• 37:04
  that. What I'm?
• 37:05
  Saying on when the phone rings is harsh.
• 37:08
  I don't think you want me watching Queen of Tears.
• 37:10
  OK, I don't. And again, I am not here to to
• 37:15
  have a bad time watch AK drama that I didn't like.
• 37:18
  I tend to choose dramas based on if I will like them or not.
• 37:22
  And so I rarely drop dramas nowadays.
• 37:25
  I don't have high numbers of drops every year because I am
• 37:29
  choosy. I am curating what I watch.
• 37:33
  You really taught. Me to drop dramas, I'm so glad.
• 37:37
  I'm so glad. So at this point I'm not about
• 37:41
  hate watching. I someone brought up alchemy
• 37:43
  souls in my DMS too. They were like, I haven't felt
• 37:47
  this way since Alchemy souls and I was like, I don't want to talk
• 37:49
  about alchemy souls. That might have been my.
• 37:52
  Last hate watch I. That was two years ago.
• 37:55
  I don't like to do that OK to myself or to others now that I
• 38:00
  have a platform. I don't like to hate watch.
• 38:04
  This wasn't necessarily a full on hate watch because it was so
• 38:08
  crazy. I was like, you know what fuck
• 38:10
  it like but yeah, it wasn't good.
• 38:14
  I did not have a good time. Generally 2 soldier bottles I I
• 38:19
  pretty much disliked it. OK, but I.
• 38:21
  Found some. Merit.
• 38:22
  In it, there was something to latch onto and it wasn't the
• 38:27
  worst drama I've watched. It was not the.
• 38:30
  Worst. Drama I've watched but.
• 38:33
  It's it's. Pretty bad for like the current
• 38:36
  year, right? Like the current 2024-2025.
• 38:39
  But that's where I want. To push back though, because
• 38:42
  2024 was a shitty year for K dramas.
• 38:47
  So I'm just. Like Nah, this was for 2024
• 38:51
  standard. This was a really good show.
• 38:54
  OK, I. I see where you're coming from.
• 38:58
  That's the bar is low. It's oh.
• 39:00
  The bat was in hell. I'm sorry.
• 39:04
  I'm sorry. OK.
• 39:06
  OK. Enough.
• 39:07
  Enough. We're going to get it to
• 39:08
  spoilers when the phone rings right after this.
• 39:14
  Excuse me, I can't tell. I can't.
• 39:17
  Tell you know I have no. Jingles.
• 39:20
  Oh, sorry. Swear, discussing shit.
• 39:25
  What? All right, we're on the other
• 39:29
  side. Of spoilers, Carol, I'm just
• 39:32
  going to set you loose. Really.
• 39:33
  Like, what do you want to talk about?
• 39:35
  OK, OK. First of all, back to the
• 39:38
  useless conversation that I mentioned with the secretary.
• 39:42
  So we see Hiju leaving and so she came to her in laws to say
• 39:47
  find my man. Yeah.
• 39:49
  And then she's like, do something.
• 39:50
  And they're like, we'll take it into consideration.
• 39:53
  It's like, wild, wild. Yeah.
• 39:56
  And at this point, she doesn't know that he's not other
• 39:59
  biological son. Exactly.
• 40:02
  So secretary comes out, he follows her and he's like, what
• 40:06
  else does he know about the kidnapper?
• 40:09
  And, you know, when he came into this house, he had surgery and
• 40:14
  his eye, like, they fixed up his eye and he doesn't remember.
• 40:19
  And I was just like, now hold on.
• 40:20
  Are you telling me that he's the twin of the kidnapper?
• 40:26
  Like, what is the point of that conversation?
• 40:28
  You just confused, babe. So, you know, when I watched
• 40:32
  that, I was like, you know what, Carol?
• 40:34
  Just hold your horses. Maybe next episode they'll do,
• 40:37
  like, a flashback of the conversation and give it
• 40:41
  context. No, context, never.
• 40:44
  Context was not in the room with us.
• 40:46
  Yeah, that was a Rd. Closed type of clue that they
• 40:50
  dropped there. It was like, oh, I drove to the
• 40:53
  end of this, where's the rest? Where's the rest?
• 40:57
  And who were you talking about? Because Mr. Kidnapper still has
• 41:02
  mismatched eyes, eye colours. So I was just like, oh, you
• 41:08
  wasted my time for free. OK, OK, let's move on to the
• 41:12
  next clue. Yeah, yeah.
• 41:15
  It was he because he made a point of stopping her.
• 41:18
  Yeah, the eye. He had his.
• 41:20
  Surgery to change his eye. Who had this?
• 41:24
  OK. Thanks.
• 41:26
  Yes. No.
• 41:27
  Make no sense. I.
• 41:29
  Yeah, I was. Really pissed off with that.
• 41:31
  And I know like, in the grand scheme of things and you know,
• 41:37
  the number of plot holes, it's really nothing.
• 41:41
  But I just, you wanted to talk about it.
• 41:44
  That one I wanted to talk. About because you wasted my
• 41:47
  goddamn time. I wanted to say this.
• 41:53
  Quote from Time magazine when I saw this.
• 41:58
  Article I was like. Time magazine is writing about
• 42:00
  when the phone rings, so here is what.
• 42:03
  It says. The story of two people
• 42:06
  overcoming issues of communication to be together.
• 42:09
  This may be highly relatable, but the story elements are
• 42:12
  intentionally taken to the mock Jung extreme than they have in
• 42:16
  parentheses. The descriptor mokjang is
• 42:18
  applied to a Korean drama that stretches its depiction of
• 42:21
  reality, putting its characters in increasingly extreme
• 42:24
  situations that heighten the stakes and emotions, and
• 42:27
  populating its world with toxic characters who often act
• 42:30
  contrary to any known system of logic.
• 42:34
  I spit up my water when I saw they're just defying logic.
• 42:38
  That is what a mokjang is. They go on to say.
• 42:42
  When the Phone Rings is one of the best Mokjang dramas we've
• 42:46
  gotten in a few years, with a plot driven by kidnapping,
• 42:51
  murder, contract marriages, arson, fake deaths, assumed
• 42:55
  identities and political intrigue.
• 42:57
  No. No, it's not OK.
• 43:01
  OK. I don't want to shade anybody,
• 43:05
  but of late, these writers, these reporters, Yeah, writing
• 43:12
  out of thin air. I'm just like me and you.
• 43:15
  We watch that show. What you're saying is not what
• 43:18
  was in the show, and I'll leave it at that.
• 43:21
  This show, I think a lot of people class it as a guilty
• 43:25
  pleasure. It is a guilty pleasure.
• 43:27
  I'd say that too. I think I started all right,
• 43:30
  like. Episode 1 is crazy.
• 43:33
  The writing is on the wall on episode 1, but it starts out
• 43:37
  kind of intriguing. Like this whole thing is
• 43:38
  masquerading as an enemies to lovers because at the end of the
• 43:42
  episode you find out she can freaking talk.
• 43:45
  She has the ability to speak and she's speaking.
• 43:47
  In a kidnapping scenario, she is.
• 43:51
  Mad as shit. She's angry with him, with what
• 43:54
  you overheard on the phone because he said like, bring me a
• 43:57
  body or something. Like I can't even remember what
• 43:58
  the line is. She loathes him and she starts
• 44:02
  with her blackmail shit, which was.
• 44:06
  Which was half baked at. Best it was home, girl was in
• 44:09
  over her head. How are you taking pictures?
• 44:12
  Of your thigh, Are you saying you're cheating?
• 44:15
  Like what was up? What was up with that?
• 44:17
  It was really. One of the worst plans I've ever
• 44:21
  seen. She didn't take 2 seconds to
• 44:24
  think it through. Of course, the phone.
• 44:27
  Is. Tracked everything she does on
• 44:29
  it is being recorded like I was confused like she just thought
• 44:33
  oh I'll pick up this phone and continue this and get out of
• 44:36
  this merit. I was literally like, all right,
• 44:39
  let's turn up, I guess go off sis, like, OK, which was so.
• 44:44
  Wild to. Me.
• 44:45
  Because I said, wait, is he not the one who said she's so clumsy
• 44:52
  and he can? See right.
• 44:53
  Through her, maybe he has selective vision, but he did not
• 44:59
  catch on at any point, even at the point where she's on the
• 45:03
  roof talking into the phone. No, honestly, I was just like.
• 45:07
  Now. Hold on, that was me the whole
• 45:12
  show. Like wait.
• 45:14
  Because wait, what? The other major?
• 45:20
  Gripe I had was I remember a conversation and I don't read, I
• 45:25
  don't know what episode it was, but I remember Pixon talking to
• 45:29
  Hiju and saying, oh, the sister must have seen younger Pixon and
• 45:37
  that's why there was a hit on the brother.
• 45:42
  And so I swear that conversation happened.
• 45:46
  So at the end when he asked, oh, does Heju know?
• 45:50
  And he disappears? I was like, no, but you already
• 45:53
  knew Heju knew, so where did you go?
• 45:58
  Like what happened to that whole conversation you had with her?
• 46:02
  And yeah, it was miscommunication.
• 46:04
  Even after they learned how to communicate 100%.
• 46:08
  What is that the? Only thing they know how to
• 46:10
  communicate. On is to kiss each other.
• 46:13
  And you know, I felt like this show overcompensated with with
• 46:20
  that. Because.
• 46:21
  It felt very much OK. The audience is getting pissed
• 46:24
  off that this doesn't make sense.
• 46:26
  Throw in a kiss. Oh yeah, let's just have a.
• 46:29
  Dream of a. Kiss Yeah, I dream of what
• 46:33
  could. Be if.
• 46:33
  They were communicating from day one.
• 46:37
  I swear. Joseph did.
• 46:38
  Not have that many dreams in the Bible like I was just like OK
• 46:43
  another dream and another dream like no it's.
• 46:47
  Embarrassing really. It's embarrassing.
• 46:49
  The like montages and things. And it could have been 8.
• 46:53
  Episodes. What a tease.
• 46:55
  Like this whole show? Is just a tease.
• 46:56
  It is a tease. It is.
• 47:00
  A tease and then. Like he did it and the whole
• 47:03
  miscommunication thing. He married her and this was a
• 47:07
  whole reveal. Like that wasn't really a
• 47:08
  reveal. You obviously knew he had the
• 47:12
  hots. For her he.
• 47:13
  Loves her, likes her, definitely knew about who he was asking for
• 47:18
  right when he swapped sisters in the contract marriage it was no.
• 47:23
  Surprise, I was like. I'm not surprised here.
• 47:26
  Yeah, he. Just didn't get to.
• 47:28
  Know her at all during the three years of their marriage.
• 47:32
  Because why? He didn't want to pressure her
• 47:35
  into a relationship that he thought she felt trapped in?
• 47:39
  Which, yeah, of course you'd feel trapped if you're not
• 47:41
  telling me what's going on. Shit.
• 47:43
  Like you know so. It was just a prison of his own
• 47:46
  making. True, but.
• 47:48
  We've also The show also established that Pexon had no
• 47:54
  relationship experience, like he was clueless when it came to
• 48:01
  relationships. And The thing is.
• 48:04
  I'm. Looking at their professions as
• 48:07
  well, yeah, he is. A.
• 48:10
  Erstwhile war correspondent, maybe a foreign operative, I
• 48:15
  don't fucking know. Like they they just like threw
• 48:17
  everything at the wall that he could do.
• 48:18
  He was basically Jason Bourne by the end of this whole thing.
• 48:21
  And currently he's a a spokesperson for the
• 48:26
  presidential office. Great.
• 48:27
  That means he's dealing with people all day long, fielding
• 48:31
  questions, taking interviews, talking to the press.
• 48:34
  And his whole thing is communicating.
• 48:38
  That's his whole job is to communicate a message and do it
• 48:42
  in in a proper way, in a way that makes sense to the Korean
• 48:47
  public. So I'm like, OK, he is
• 48:51
  communicating all day long and he has no other problems with
• 48:54
  even other family members like his fake, you know, father and
• 48:58
  mother. He's telling it like it is.
• 49:00
  He's constantly butting heads with them and communicating that
• 49:04
  he's not going to just go along with their plans.
• 49:08
  And when it comes to Heju, he can't seem to get any word in
• 49:14
  edgewise. Well, and I'm.
• 49:16
  Confounded. By the fact that it took first
• 49:19
  of all, they grew up together, they were basically neighbours.
• 49:23
  Never says anything when they're married and living in the same
• 49:26
  house again never says anything. I feel like it's just the toxic
• 49:32
  nature of how he got her into the marriage in the first place.
• 49:35
  I'm just like, let me just trap her.
• 49:37
  I'm doing it out of the best of intentions.
• 49:39
  I think she's got a terrible home life.
• 49:42
  She's about to be married off to some skeeze ball who's going to
• 49:44
  treat her badly. I'll just marry her, fine, fine,
• 49:49
  and keep the good intentions. But after he's got her in the
• 49:54
  house and he's setting up all of these boundaries and putting up
• 49:58
  walls and things between them. OK, beast, like, let's talk
• 50:03
  about it. I This is very Beauty and the
• 50:05
  Beast, true And I. Also believe that he really
• 50:10
  couldn't see past what he felt he was supposed to be doing,
• 50:16
  which is I do think I'd characterize him as a very
• 50:21
  narcissistic person because he's just so consumed with himself.
• 50:28
  And this whole thing of you were not part of my plan like Mana's
• 50:33
  tunnel vision focused on. I don't at this point, I can't
• 50:39
  even remember what the revenge was.
• 50:40
  I was confused about his revenge.
• 50:42
  Plan too. Was it just like I'm not going?
• 50:45
  To. Be part of your presidential
• 50:47
  ticket ticket candidacy and involved in any way and speak
• 50:51
  good of you. Was that his the end all be all
• 50:55
  of his revenge just to not let the father become the president
• 51:00
  and use his clout? Oh it.
• 51:03
  Couldn't have been just that. That would be maybe it was had
• 51:06
  to. Do with just like bringing the
• 51:07
  whole family down and revealing his identity especially.
• 51:11
  With the the. The ring that he put back on his
• 51:16
  dying grandpa. At that point, he thought he
• 51:19
  was. The grandpa and he was like, I
• 51:21
  need some dirt. I want to know what the hell is
• 51:22
  going on. I want to know who I am.
• 51:25
  Maybe I can get something out of it if I insert a camera into
• 51:28
  this signet ring and put it back on this man wheezing in the ICU.
• 51:33
  That maybe that had something to do with the revenge.
• 51:35
  But again, it's never really laid out A to B to C.
• 51:39
  It's always just like, I can't. I guess I have to infer here how
• 51:42
  he wants to raze this thing to the ground.
• 51:45
  But Even so, I didn't feel like he was particularly gung ho on
• 51:49
  any sort of revenge, no. And also, I feel like by the
• 51:53
  time he was putting the ring on grandpa, he knew that was his
• 51:57
  dad, not his. It's so.
• 52:00
  Ambiguous. It's not like he had a moment
• 52:04
  where he was like, I know I'm your son, I'm going to put this
• 52:07
  ring back on you because I think she's going to go down or I'm
• 52:11
  going to get something else out of you.
• 52:13
  No word about that, really. No clues there.
• 52:18
  I don't like this. Feeling of making me question
• 52:20
  why I read that it's a four out of five.
• 52:24
  The thing is, they had a lot. OK, so the good stuff about this
• 52:27
  show is basically whenever these two, the female lead and the
• 52:31
  male lead, are trapped in a room together, sparks fly, I guess.
• 52:35
  And that was at one point he, like, tried to pull up her skirt
• 52:39
  to see her. Oh yeah.
• 52:42
  Mole or. Something.
• 52:43
  That she had. The.
• 52:44
  Birthmark. And she was like, oh, stop.
• 52:47
  Like it was very like, OK, it's very kind of icky because she
• 52:52
  obviously doesn't want him touching her.
• 52:55
  She doesn't want him to. Pull up her.
• 52:57
  Skirt it's very sexual assaulty, a little whiff of sexual assault
• 53:02
  in here and people were salivating over the scene.
• 53:05
  They were like, Oh my God, he's so sexy.
• 53:07
  He just got done getting roasted in this weird fire that the
• 53:12
  kidnapper found his location and it exploded his secret office.
• 53:19
  See. But like.
• 53:20
  I, I did not like that scene, but in that scene I would have
• 53:26
  been asking hard questions because you have a bodyguard
• 53:29
  with this woman. You know her schedule, when does
• 53:33
  she have the time to go have an affair and take a picture of her
• 53:37
  thigh and post it up? And just even the POV, like I
• 53:42
  just felt like critical thinking wasn't part of the characters
• 53:46
  what critical skill set there was.
• 53:48
  Not even thinking at. All anyway he was looking.
• 53:52
  Trying. To look up her skirt and see the
• 53:54
  birthmark, or if there was a birthmark, to basically Fact
• 53:58
  Check the kidnapper on the phone.
• 54:01
  Yeah. And then she's shocked.
• 54:02
  That he's doing it and I'm just like, why would you be shocked?
• 54:07
  Why are you? Shocked you sent.
• 54:08
  Him the photo, it was such a stupid thing.
• 54:11
  Like to send her like he said she sent him like a.
• 54:14
  Boudoir. Photo and expected him to just
• 54:19
  take it and not like do any further investigating because he
• 54:24
  obviously at this point he's clueless doesn't know that's his
• 54:27
  wife on the phone. So he's like, Oh my God, does
• 54:31
  the kidnapper really have but the angle?
• 54:34
  Everything. About the photo that makes zero
• 54:37
  sense and her. Retrying and.
• 54:40
  Retrying and retrying to take the photo.
• 54:42
  I'm like bitch, give it up. Like, yeah.
• 54:46
  Even the. Mom who gave.
• 54:48
  Her the lingerie, she wasn't even committed.
• 54:51
  Quit. I was just like, what's what's
• 54:55
  your angle? What's your point?
• 54:58
  Because I guess she was like. Oh, I have two rabbits stuck in
• 55:01
  a cage together. I have to get them to breed.
• 55:04
  Yeah. Otherwise this whole charade is
• 55:07
  null and void. So she is the.
• 55:10
  Real mom of Hiju, Yeah. And she got.
• 55:13
  With. Dad and she dumped Dad and I
• 55:18
  guess she, this is me making up the story.
• 55:20
  I guess she moved into the House of the chairman.
• 55:25
  Oh, it was very the heirs. Coated.
• 55:27
  Yeah, it was very. Heirs coated, she, he.
• 55:30
  We had a mistress living. In the house, I don't know.
• 55:32
  Yeah, did where they actually. Married.
• 55:34
  And she? Was the official stepmom to to
• 55:38
  biological. Kids.
• 55:39
  No, I was thinking. More she came in and the older
• 55:45
  Hayan's mother died and then she's sort of like a caretaker
• 55:50
  who has her daughter living in the house just like airs.
• 55:54
  And then it turns into something more and she becomes sort of
• 55:59
  like a step mom to Hayan and he drew as her daughter.
• 56:04
  I just couldn't quite. Wrap.
• 56:06
  My head around the fact that the dad, he just step dad, left her
• 56:11
  in the house knowing everything, that she had been coercing her
• 56:17
  biological daughter Hiju to pretend to be mute, have
• 56:22
  selective mutism to maintain her position in this house.
• 56:27
  It didn't make sense and the dad knew the whole thing the whole
• 56:29
  time and he didn't. Say shit like that.
• 56:32
  Family does not care about Hiju no no.
• 56:36
  Nobody in the family cared about Hiju.
• 56:38
  At all, because otherwise the dad.
• 56:41
  Would be like. Hey, I know we're sleeping
• 56:44
  together every night. I think you can let your
• 56:46
  daughters talk now. Right.
• 56:50
  I'm not going to kick you out. Like again, where is what does
• 56:54
  it cost for some people to open their mouths and communicate
• 56:59
  because I really don't understand why the secrets why
• 57:02
  would he keep that secret? I'm sure I can understand the
• 57:06
  stepmom. He just mom keeping it up for 20
• 57:11
  years. But what's with the dad?
• 57:14
  So the dad hates he do. Is he getting a?
• 57:17
  Kick out of seeing. Them squirm and try and no
• 57:22
  tiptoe. Around him with this.
• 57:24
  Lie. I don't.
• 57:25
  I don't get that at all. I fell flat.
• 57:28
  Yeah, so many things. But yeah, like people were just
• 57:32
  gravitating, I guess toward the skinship in the in the show,
• 57:35
  100% the. I think it's episode. 2 where
• 57:39
  this is post the first kidnapping and she has some
• 57:43
  bruising on her neck and like a cut and stuff.
• 57:47
  He brags her into some dark room and pins are up against the wall
• 57:53
  and it's like inspecting her neck and stuff that shit.
• 57:57
  It is K drama crack it is. At this point in episode 2, it
• 58:01
  was. It worked, right?
• 58:03
  It did, yeah. It's book.
• 58:05
  Talk. Magic.
• 58:06
  Like that's what exactly I'm. Not going to fault the show for
• 58:09
  that, but like the whip of sexual assault on the latter one
• 58:13
  that we were having talking about about the mole inspection.
• 58:17
  Yeah. I don't know if I would
• 58:18
  necessarily classify that as sexy.
• 58:21
  Sure, he looks good, but you can see me disassociating like
• 58:27
  further into the more deeper into the show I get.
• 58:31
  I remember after like. Episode 2 calling him a green
• 58:35
  flag. No, you didn't.
• 58:38
  I did. I did.
• 58:40
  Was it episode 2 or maybe on a later episode?
• 58:42
  Because like you said, immediately you knew he loved
• 58:46
  her. Yeah, he cared for her for sure.
• 58:48
  Yeah, he cared for her. And I just think I really, there
• 58:54
  was 1 scene that I appreciated which he didn't really even go
• 58:59
  all the way when they were lying in bed at one point.
• 59:03
  And he's like, just forget everything that you heard and
• 59:08
  that was said or something like that.
• 59:11
  I think I thought that was the beginning of an apology.
• 59:15
  He could have definitely gone all the way with an apology or
• 59:20
  an explanation, but it goes back to that lack of communication
• 59:25
  between them. But even with that, she seemed
• 59:28
  content with that explanation. And I was like, OK, if it works
• 59:34
  for you, girl, it will work for me.
• 59:36
  Whatever, but I. Just found.
• 59:39
  There were moments of sheer panic from him at the thought of
• 59:45
  danger coming to her. Yeah, that's good stuff.
• 59:49
  Those those were the moments I. Really enjoyed because I just
• 59:54
  felt like his face. He was very expressive.
• 59:59
  You could see fear, you could see anger.
• 1:00:01
  I was like, OK. OK, Ian, suck.
• 1:00:04
  Do something here. You can give it some go off, go
• 1:00:08
  off. Yeah, but.
• 1:00:09
  Yeah, so I I liked those scenes, but I did.
• 1:00:12
  That's not bad stuff at all, no. I'm not complaining about that
• 1:00:15
  stuff. It's, it's plot related stuff.
• 1:00:18
  And the show functions best when I guess you're watching it as
• 1:00:24
  it's airing because you do get that break where you can come up
• 1:00:28
  with theories. Yeah, about the show, where it's
• 1:00:30
  headed, who's who. And that's what's fun with the
• 1:00:33
  groupthink aspect of social media is you read a theory and
• 1:00:38
  you're like, Oh my God, I agree, or no, I don't agree.
• 1:00:41
  Or, you know, something actually being right.
• 1:00:44
  Like you, you make a theory and it's right.
• 1:00:47
  It turns out to be right. That's the fun, I guess, of
• 1:00:50
  watching this unhinged show. I don't watch shows when they're
• 1:00:54
  airing, so I'm completely removed from this.
• 1:00:58
  I don't really get a thrill necessarily out of making
• 1:01:02
  theories about the show. I don't necessarily thrive off
• 1:01:06
  of the. Theories and I feel like people
• 1:01:08
  were really excited to come and talk about the show and like
• 1:01:12
  who's the killer and who's the you know who owns the phone and
• 1:01:17
  suck a male lead. He's shady and all this stuff.
• 1:01:19
  I get it. I get it.
• 1:01:21
  I don't subscribe to that. I asked on Instagram for people
• 1:01:25
  to give me their thoughts, concerns, topics they wanted us
• 1:01:30
  to cover on this podcast. Some people said great couple.
• 1:01:34
  He looks great in a black shirt. Perfect.
• 1:01:38
  Yeah, that, yeah. Fine, fine, sure.
• 1:01:41
  Argon plotline, super weird. Last two episodes look
• 1:01:45
  ridiculous and weird. It seems like mock young easy to
• 1:01:48
  watch actually. What's bothering me?
• 1:01:50
  How is the kidnapper so smart to control the female lead's car?
• 1:01:53
  Unless I miss something, I stopped trying to find logic and
• 1:01:56
  just enjoy the story without paying attention to some
• 1:01:58
  details. Truly messy show.
• 1:02:01
  I think they pulled off being compelling and sensational at
• 1:02:03
  the beginning, but the writing relied so heavily on being
• 1:02:06
  sensational instead of writing their characters to be logical.
• 1:02:09
  Maybe this is just the mock Jong way.
• 1:02:12
  Someone else said cheese fest. All of these things are true,
• 1:02:16
  someone said. So much waste of potential plot
• 1:02:18
  holes galore in an absurd ending.
• 1:02:20
  Yeah, you're right. You're right.
• 1:02:24
  So what's this was so funny. I love when people read a lot
• 1:02:27
  into it, as in like, they're squeezing milk out of an almond.
• 1:02:34
  You know what I'm saying? To get almond milk.
• 1:02:37
  And this person said Pixelmon is a man of his words.
• 1:02:40
  Heju is a woman of her actions. They were talking about the
• 1:02:44
  journey that he do goes on, which is, you know, she was
• 1:02:47
  faking being. Her.
• 1:02:48
  Own kidnapper and blackmailing her husband to give her a
• 1:02:52
  divorce then she goes to transitions to trusting and
• 1:02:56
  loving him unconditionally and protecting him at all costs,
• 1:03:01
  even with a knife at. Her throat at.
• 1:03:02
  The, I don't know, 10th kidnapping, so on and so forth.
• 1:03:06
  And that's fine. Like, yeah, that sure.
• 1:03:08
  That's a journey. Did I care?
• 1:03:11
  No, no, that's my. Point.
• 1:03:14
  It's like. For me personally, man, I didn't
• 1:03:17
  give a shit. I feel you.
• 1:03:21
  Are there any other? Complaints that you had about
• 1:03:23
  the show before we go into the last two episodes.
• 1:03:27
  Well, let's talk about the sister, OK?
• 1:03:30
  This girl comes. Back from.
• 1:03:32
  Overseas, she was Mia, they didn't know where she was for
• 1:03:35
  three years, fucked off on her wedding, leaving Heju to clean
• 1:03:39
  up the mess and be the substitute.
• 1:03:41
  Fine, we now know that Pixone orchestrated this whole thing,
• 1:03:45
  was in cahoots with the sister, and like, requested he choose to
• 1:03:50
  be his bride. Fine, fine, fine.
• 1:03:53
  She comes back. Yeah, I did not like this
• 1:03:57
  character. I didn't like how they
• 1:03:58
  miraculously found some surgical cure to fix her vocal cords or
• 1:04:04
  whatever damage was done during the accident.
• 1:04:06
  As a child she never learned how to use sign language in all of
• 1:04:12
  the, I don't know, 20 years that she was mute?
• 1:04:16
  No, she wasn't mute. She.
• 1:04:17
  Was hard of hearing oh. Was it hard of hearing?
• 1:04:20
  Oh. Man, I'm sorry.
• 1:04:21
  I'm sorry. Well, she would.
• 1:04:23
  Be mute because. She can't hear.
• 1:04:25
  Was she mute? No, no, no, I, I think it.
• 1:04:28
  Was hard of hearing. She lost her hearing.
• 1:04:29
  You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, my bad, my
• 1:04:31
  bad. But anyway, surgical cure to fix
• 1:04:34
  her ears and her hearing and she never learned sign language in
• 1:04:39
  all those years. Nope.
• 1:04:41
  And I'm like. How?
• 1:04:42
  Much. Of a selfish, self pitying bitch
• 1:04:46
  you. Have to be.
• 1:04:48
  To not only not refuse to learn that you're silencing yourself.
• 1:04:53
  At that point you had 20 years to learn how to sign.
• 1:04:58
  She doesn't. And instead she's holding out
• 1:05:01
  hope that she can just miraculously get cured.
• 1:05:04
  And she does. They give it to her that she
• 1:05:07
  does get cured. And then when she comes back and
• 1:05:10
  talks to Heju, she's like T he's sorry.
• 1:05:13
  I knew that you could speak all of these years and you made
• 1:05:18
  yourself be silent just to keep me company in my miserable state
• 1:05:24
  because I needed to bring somebody down here with me.
• 1:05:28
  That was trash. And.
• 1:05:29
  It's experienced this. Calamity, even though you didn't
• 1:05:31
  need to, whether out of guilt or some misguided idea that you're
• 1:05:36
  getting a kicked out if you're whole Let's be friends that that
• 1:05:40
  was the whole. Speech at the aquarium.
• 1:05:44
  Yep, that was her. Arc actually she didn't even say
• 1:05:47
  sorry. She.
• 1:05:48
  Was just like I knew that you could speak.
• 1:05:53
  But now I can speak. So.
• 1:05:54
  All is well, all is forgiven. Let's pick up where we left off
• 1:05:58
  and I'm like fuck you, bitch. What the fuck do you mean?
• 1:06:02
  No, she was a. Horrible person, just so
• 1:06:05
  selfish. She was very selfish.
• 1:06:08
  And I actually felt bad for her because she has a look of I'm
• 1:06:15
  going to be a bitch in the show. And so you're always
• 1:06:20
  anticipating her to do something shady, something that will harm
• 1:06:26
  Hiju, etcetera. And then she's just like, no,
• 1:06:29
  no, I'm endearing. I just want to be friends.
• 1:06:32
  I love myself. I've always wanted a sister.
• 1:06:35
  I just don't like her mom. It it's just fell flat for me
• 1:06:41
  because, you know, I don't fault her too much for being a kid and
• 1:06:46
  pretending because she wanted someone to go through the pain
• 1:06:50
  with her. I I really don't fault her for
• 1:06:54
  that because at her big age though, at.
• 1:06:56
  Her big age though, How old was she she?
• 1:06:59
  Was older than. He do No, no when when?
• 1:07:02
  They had the accident. They were kids.
• 1:07:05
  Oh yeah, When they had the. Accident.
• 1:07:07
  They were kids, yeah, but as they.
• 1:07:10
  Grew up. That's what I'm saying is like
• 1:07:12
  at her. Big age, that's true.
• 1:07:14
  She should have fixed it a long time.
• 1:07:16
  Where's the apology like you went to?
• 1:07:18
  College like you, your frontal lobe is fully developed that's
• 1:07:22
  true where's. The.
• 1:07:24
  Come to Jesus moment which to me tells.
• 1:07:27
  Me that she isn't a good person. No.
• 1:07:30
  If you were a kid, let's say you were like up to 14.
• 1:07:34
  She was like a preteen. The older sister was when she
• 1:07:38
  lost her hearing. Oh, she's not a good.
• 1:07:41
  Person, we can't defend her in any way I can see maybe.
• 1:07:45
  Keeping it up until you're, I don't know, in high school,
• 1:07:49
  Yeah, yeah. I can't.
• 1:07:52
  There's just no. Empathy.
• 1:07:54
  Coming from honing that character and I couldn't get
• 1:07:58
  behind her character, couldn't get behind anything she did.
• 1:08:02
  Even the apology at the end of the show, I was like 11th hour,
• 1:08:07
  yeah. No, I.
• 1:08:09
  Agree so I felt like she shouldn't have come back and he
• 1:08:13
  I heed you is such. A old school female lead, right?
• 1:08:18
  Yes. Being gaslit by everyone, even
• 1:08:21
  to the point of shouting stop gaslighting me I'm like bitch
• 1:08:25
  you knew they've been gaslighting.
• 1:08:29
  Like she's. Stupid and naive and very warm
• 1:08:34
  hearted. Innocent at heart and did
• 1:08:39
  everything just to be loved. And ain't no love coming from
• 1:08:43
  anybody in that family. Just got bamboozled and
• 1:08:46
  hoodwinked into shutting up for 20 years.
• 1:08:50
  Yeah, that. Type of female.
• 1:08:52
  Lead. That's very 2006, yeah.
• 1:08:56
  Yeah, I agree 2024 we're. Getting this lead and everyone's
• 1:09:02
  like, Oh my God, poor Heeju, poor this.
• 1:09:04
  I'm like, this is very old school of a characterization.
• 1:09:09
  And something else about Heeju is that when she was signing,
• 1:09:14
  she was very animated, she was very feisty, she had a lot of
• 1:09:18
  gumption and. She was serving.
• 1:09:21
  Attitude and and you know, getting angry and things at
• 1:09:24
  people when she's signing at them, when she stopped signing,
• 1:09:30
  it's almost like all of those qualities go away and that's why
• 1:09:33
  a man said. He enjoys, that's why he said he
• 1:09:37
  enjoys the heju that was on the phone with him.
• 1:09:41
  Matter of fact, they had to address.
• 1:09:42
  It in the final episode, in the final two minutes of the show,
• 1:09:46
  they had to address this crazy character switch that happened
• 1:09:50
  when she stopped signing. She lost a whole bunch of
• 1:09:53
  personality traits and she had to come and tell her like, hey.
• 1:09:58
  I want you to get angry with me. I want you to tell me what's
• 1:10:00
  going on and communicate. I want you to nag me and I'm
• 1:10:03
  like, does that fix? It I.
• 1:10:06
  Don't think so, but OK, great on you for putting this the
• 1:10:10
  stipulation here in your marriage for her to open up a
• 1:10:15
  bit more because she was pissed when she was.
• 1:10:19
  Signing. She was she.
• 1:10:21
  Was and, you know, you know, I hadn't even thought of that.
• 1:10:25
  I think I was just focused on when she could speak, she was
• 1:10:31
  letting him have it. And she definitely met made him
• 1:10:35
  nervous or made him pay attention.
• 1:10:39
  But when she didn't speak, it was just like, oh, this is the
• 1:10:43
  chaser, Ben. I know.
• 1:10:45
  Yeah, this is. Why I don't?
• 1:10:48
  Watch her but surprisingly and like press tours and whatnot,
• 1:10:53
  she's very spunky like Chase had.
• 1:10:56
  Been the. Actress.
• 1:10:58
  So I was just like sis. Why are you?
• 1:11:01
  Always so dull. Yes, it's just just.
• 1:11:04
  So dull. Every time she.
• 1:11:06
  Wasn't on the phone and she wasn't signing.
• 1:11:10
  Was like she was a non playable character.
• 1:11:12
  Like she just like, where'd she go?
• 1:11:15
  Yeah, like a Sims. Character.
• 1:11:17
  Just stuck and waiting for waiting for him to save her
• 1:11:22
  because. I can't lost count of how many
• 1:11:24
  times and she was kidnapped. Waiting to be saved.
• 1:11:27
  I mean, you fucking name it like they did it to this girl.
• 1:11:31
  Let's talk about episode 6 because we mentioned.
• 1:11:35
  Episode 6. Before the break, so.
• 1:11:38
  What had happened was. They went hiking as a group
• 1:11:42
  activity in the presidential spokesperson's office.
• 1:11:47
  This turned into an office romance.
• 1:11:48
  I do not like office romances, I have to say.
• 1:11:51
  So when it turned out that she was starting to work with him
• 1:11:54
  alongside him, interpreting for him, I was like another thing
• 1:11:59
  that I can't just rubs me the wrong way.
• 1:12:03
  They go hiking with the rest of the group.
• 1:12:06
  And the guy that you mentioned, Nin Chilsu, who plays like the
• 1:12:11
  office manager or something. Yes, OK.
• 1:12:14
  So that guy he's in there for? Comedic relief.
• 1:12:16
  But he was climbing that mountain and he was huffing and
• 1:12:20
  puffing. He had two walking sticks.
• 1:12:22
  People were like, wow, this is really hard to climb up the
• 1:12:26
  mountain. This is my train of thought.
• 1:12:28
  I was like, I feel seen because I fucking hate hiking.
• 1:12:33
  And I'm always that person who is 50 steps behind, always
• 1:12:38
  falling behind. I almost died in the the Canyon
• 1:12:42
  in Las Vegas doing like a fun little hike.
• 1:12:44
  Yeah, the fuck not. Hills and shit and rock
• 1:12:47
  scrambling. No, no, you're going to get a
• 1:12:50
  different Jessica. It's a mess.
• 1:12:51
  I am a sight to behold. And when I saw that character,
• 1:12:56
  the office manager, I was like, Oh my God, you'd never see this
• 1:13:00
  in the K dramas where someone's actually struggling to do one of
• 1:13:04
  these mountain hikes. That's true.
• 1:13:05
  I hate. Hiking I hate hiking and.
• 1:13:08
  Then they come to the lookout point.
• 1:13:11
  He gets inundated with fans trying to take selfies.
• 1:13:15
  He gets her shit rock. She gets pushed off of this
• 1:13:21
  lookout point. It's a sheer drop.
• 1:13:24
  She falls off a mountain. It's a basically a Cliff and
• 1:13:28
  I'm. Like, Oh my God.
• 1:13:30
  She died. Like I was like, there's no.
• 1:13:33
  Way. There's no way she survived that
• 1:13:35
  fall. Not only did she survive, she
• 1:13:38
  thrived. She had no broken bones near a
• 1:13:42
  scratch. She was fine Babe.
• 1:13:47
  People break ankles. Just missing.
• 1:13:48
  A step on the stairs. It was hard on.
• 1:13:53
  Me. This is the point where I said,
• 1:13:56
  you know what? I don't have to finish this
• 1:13:58
  show. They're not.
• 1:13:59
  Taking this seriously? This is insulting that.
• 1:14:04
  They would even think. That I would suspend my
• 1:14:08
  disbelief that this girl would survive a severe fall.
• 1:14:14
  They were so serious when he's trying to find her, calling her
• 1:14:20
  and getting of her to call him on the kidnappers phone and
• 1:14:25
  where are you and of this roundabout thing and him like
• 1:14:29
  traversing the mountain at night by himself.
• 1:14:33
  It was done sincerely. It really was.
• 1:14:37
  And I'm like get. The fuck out of here.
• 1:14:42
  Listen, he was like just beside. Himself wanting to save her,
• 1:14:45
  couldn't get to her. You've got to be joking.
• 1:14:49
  I you. Listen, I loved seeing him in
• 1:14:55
  pain, seeing him in anguish, seeing him desperate.
• 1:15:01
  I loved that. But I.
• 1:15:05
  Also understand what you're saying.
• 1:15:06
  Oh my God. When episode.
• 1:15:08
  Six happened. I shook my head.
• 1:15:10
  I was like, no, we can't keep going.
• 1:15:14
  They have all this great hospital like time and he's
• 1:15:18
  taking care of her and he never left her side and I'm like, she
• 1:15:22
  should be dead. She should.
• 1:15:25
  Be in a body bag. I was beside myself.
• 1:15:28
  So then episode 6 happened. I check out, I checked out.
• 1:15:32
  I was like, there's nothing they can do that's going to be like
• 1:15:35
  worse than this because we've reached a big low here.
• 1:15:40
  Oh my God, the unraveling the spaghetti in the last 6 episodes
• 1:15:46
  to figure. Out.
• 1:15:47
  Who the real kidnapper was and how Pakhtoje, who was his right
• 1:15:54
  hand man, was like a. Kidnapper.
• 1:15:58
  And hacker extraordinaire and that he was a twin at the
• 1:16:03
  orphanage school who lost his twin back in the day, presumably
• 1:16:08
  from the murders that happened. And I mean, it escalates from
• 1:16:15
  there. Yeah.
• 1:16:16
  I was messaging. You going?
• 1:16:18
  How the fuck did? Pacto.
• 1:16:22
  J the right hand man fall ass backward into enlisting the real
• 1:16:30
  murderer AKA the real Pakhseon into being his puppet and
• 1:16:38
  exacting this revenge and kidnapping ploy.
• 1:16:41
  That was not it. And then he was, I was like, how
• 1:16:45
  did? Even Pakthoje get all of this
• 1:16:48
  information about the murderers because that was under lock and
• 1:16:52
  key. That family LED none of that
• 1:16:55
  slip of who was the real culprit and there was no police
• 1:16:59
  investigation. I'm like did he sniff the
• 1:17:01
  leaves? Like I'm did he put his ear to
• 1:17:04
  the ground and just the earth told him?
• 1:17:06
  Like I'm confused about how even that dude got his Intel.
• 1:17:11
  Because. No one.
• 1:17:13
  Gave it to him. No one gave it to him.
• 1:17:15
  He was. He just divine it, just figured
• 1:17:17
  it out. But how?
• 1:17:20
  Maybe his brother who? Had died, visited him in a dream
• 1:17:25
  and told him and you know that the show could have gone with
• 1:17:28
  that and we'd have to believe but.
• 1:17:32
  That didn't make. Sense and then the whole and
• 1:17:35
  they tried to explain why he got together with the real pyxeon
• 1:17:41
  and I was just like, this is so lazy.
• 1:17:43
  Like what are we? What are we?
• 1:17:46
  Doing so that. Was they let that guy?
• 1:17:48
  Go like the real pixon slash kidnapper.
• 1:17:52
  They let that guy go, I don't know, half dozen times he
• 1:17:56
  escapes after kidnapping people and clobbering them over the
• 1:18:01
  head. And lots of attempted murder
• 1:18:04
  here. I don't understand why the real
• 1:18:07
  kidnapper was mad at the fake pixon like that.
• 1:18:11
  Seems a little misguided because obviously that's not the guy who
• 1:18:17
  that's. Not the guy you should be.
• 1:18:19
  Exacting your avenger. Like I don't know why he chose
• 1:18:23
  Pixon Yu Yun Suk's character as his target because that kid had
• 1:18:29
  nothing to do with the switcheroo that.
• 1:18:32
  Happened. And you almost dying.
• 1:18:35
  I think he really. Thought Park Dolce Really
• 1:18:38
  thought Pexon killed his brother.
• 1:18:41
  Yeah, but I'm like, how'd you get?
• 1:18:42
  That name? No contacts.
• 1:18:45
  No contacts. No.
• 1:18:47
  Nothing there. They're just like, he's just
• 1:18:48
  like, I thought it was you and you were my main suspect.
• 1:18:51
  Then I had to figure out if it was you.
• 1:18:53
  And so I hatched this kidnapping plan with the real guy.
• 1:19:01
  They'd like tried to explain it. They were like, oh, he was
• 1:19:04
  coming out of the office building talking crazy,
• 1:19:09
  threatening Pixel. And he's like, OK, perfect blunt
• 1:19:13
  instrument to use this stupid plan.
• 1:19:17
  I was just floored. Yeah, I agree with.
• 1:19:20
  You, it was very much the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
• 1:19:24
  I think that's what they were trying to go for.
• 1:19:27
  Absolutely. And.
• 1:19:29
  I feel. Like man was on a fool's errand,
• 1:19:32
  like his whole life was a joke and I just felt so bad for him.
• 1:19:39
  I feel like if he had partnered with Doctor Slash YouTube, oh
• 1:19:47
  that would make more sense because Mr. YouTube had
• 1:19:51
  something to work off. He had incomplete files.
• 1:19:54
  But at least he had a memory to go off of.
• 1:19:56
  And he was like, oh, I saw this kid and I played with him.
• 1:19:59
  Yeah. And the kid was near.
• 1:20:02
  Yeah. But the whole the other part is
• 1:20:05
  why couldn't young pixel on be outside?
• 1:20:09
  And why was it such a huge secret like someone had seen him
• 1:20:13
  because he had sociopathic. Tendencies.
• 1:20:16
  And they were like, oh, he's killing the squirrels, we need
• 1:20:20
  to lock him. Away.
• 1:20:21
  And then the locking key was nothing to this little murderer
• 1:20:25
  because he went out to the local orphanage and was really having
• 1:20:29
  a ball. Like he I think he took out like
• 1:20:31
  4 kids, yes. And they knew about it.
• 1:20:34
  Because they were consistently getting rid of the bodies.
• 1:20:37
  It's wild. So I.
• 1:20:39
  Was like wow. Wow, wow, wow.
• 1:20:41
  Like what else? What else?
• 1:20:43
  And I think the the. Thing that drove me nuts a
• 1:20:47
  little bit. One of the very few things that
• 1:20:50
  drove to nuts. Is you know when you.
• 1:20:52
  Watch that show with Ijungi where he takes the place of the
• 1:21:00
  murderer. It's that flower of evil, right?
• 1:21:03
  Flower of Evil. Oh, it is.
• 1:21:05
  Yeah, it is Flower of Evil. So in Flower of Evil he is very
• 1:21:10
  much like you see the parents actively covering their kids
• 1:21:15
  tracks and and whatnot. But in this show, the parents
• 1:21:20
  don't really cover his tracks. They're not invested.
• 1:21:23
  It was grandpa who was invested in covering everything and they
• 1:21:28
  were just hating on grandpa. So even the real Pex Allen's
• 1:21:32
  parents weren't as invested in their son.
• 1:21:38
  And it just made it feel like you're such a lazy villain.
• 1:21:43
  I don't even understand because they didn't even know that
• 1:21:48
  Hiju's dad had a deal with grandpa.
• 1:21:51
  Like they were just in the show. Like we were watching Clueless.
• 1:21:59
  Oh. But you know going into.
• 1:22:00
  The final two episodes that mom lost her shit.
• 1:22:04
  She did that, mom. Lost her ever loving.
• 1:22:07
  Shit. And she crashed out.
• 1:22:09
  I was. Not following.
• 1:22:10
  Her line of logic, and maybe you're not supposed to.
• 1:22:15
  She was just mad. She was mad at the old man.
• 1:22:19
  The grandpa. Yeah.
• 1:22:20
  That he hoodwinked her into raising his own child.
• 1:22:24
  Because that's who Yu Yun Suk's character is.
• 1:22:27
  Nice. We don't know who his mom is,
• 1:22:30
  but his daddy is the grandpa character.
• 1:22:34
  Yo, I was waiting. For the show, because she hated
• 1:22:38
  and that was the theory too, that people.
• 1:22:40
  Had you had this theory too? Yes, I was.
• 1:22:43
  Waiting for the show to tell me that maybe grandpa sexually
• 1:22:47
  assaulted her and the fake pixel on is actually her son.
• 1:22:52
  That's why she loathed the old. Man, yeah.
• 1:22:55
  So I was just she was spitting on his portrait.
• 1:22:58
  And shit and just, yo, she was she.
• 1:23:00
  Was ready to host. Yeah, she.
• 1:23:02
  Killed him. So I just felt like OK to even
• 1:23:06
  be mad. After years later that you've he
• 1:23:10
  stuck a pillow in his face and he died at your hands, she still
• 1:23:16
  don't feel. Like he's.
• 1:23:17
  Gotten the what? He deserves punishment.
• 1:23:20
  Yeah. What he deserves.
• 1:23:22
  Yeah, she's still spitting. On.
• 1:23:23
  Him and kidnapping some innocent girl here, you know she kidnaps
• 1:23:28
  Heeju. It's all to fuck with Pixel and
• 1:23:33
  Yuyun Suk's character, the fake Pixel, and I'm just.
• 1:23:37
  Like why? What what was the her long con
• 1:23:41
  was literally I'm going to keep this girl hidden for 20 years,
• 1:23:46
  same as my son was missing for 20 years whom I thought was dead
• 1:23:54
  and I'm going to make. Sure, Yuyun Suk.
• 1:23:55
  Is in pain. He's suffering.
• 1:23:57
  He thinks his beloved is dead. And then I'm going to pull the
• 1:24:01
  rabbit out of the hat and here she is.
• 1:24:03
  You've lost. 20. Years of time together again.
• 1:24:08
  This doesn't seem it's very much the same as he do.
• 1:24:13
  Calling you gonna suck every night half baked.
• 1:24:17
  Intriguing. Plot.
• 1:24:19
  Intriguing thought lady, but 20 years?
• 1:24:22
  You think you could keep this up for 20 years?
• 1:24:24
  Yeah, No. It didn't.
• 1:24:26
  It didn't. Home girl.
• 1:24:27
  Yeah. So who would you say?
• 1:24:30
  Which character made sense on the show?
• 1:24:33
  Which character made sense? I would say the dad like.
• 1:24:39
  The presidential hopeful dad OK 'cause he.
• 1:24:43
  Was pretty. Not easy to read, but I would
• 1:24:46
  just say he made sense. He made sense.
• 1:24:49
  He was focused on being the presidential candidate, on
• 1:24:52
  winning that. He's highly regulated.
• 1:24:55
  Everything about him is a regulated, can't control his
• 1:24:59
  emotions, he's violent, he's has outbursts.
• 1:25:03
  And I was like, yeah, I get that guy.
• 1:25:06
  I think I got him. And I got Hanum June, yes, the
• 1:25:11
  second male. Lead.
• 1:25:12
  Yeah, the second male lead. Those are the only two people I
• 1:25:15
  got. He's just dad.
• 1:25:17
  I did not. No, I didn't get that.
• 1:25:19
  That step dad like. Hated her.
• 1:25:21
  I'm convinced the condone SIL. He condoned it basically for 20
• 1:25:26
  years. Yeah, and then has a.
• 1:25:29
  Oh, she can talk. Oh God, so.
• 1:25:32
  And I have my notes because I went ape shit taking notes on
• 1:25:36
  episodes 11 and 12. None of the other episodes I
• 1:25:39
  have notes for but 11:00 and 12:00.
• 1:25:40
  I was like let me sit down here and watch this and write some
• 1:25:43
  notes down I have here. Is she out of her fucking mind?
• 1:25:49
  If something happens. To her, these were her
• 1:25:51
  instructions, right? The mom's instructions where if
• 1:25:55
  something happens to her, she has the secretary.
• 1:25:59
  Such bodyguard. I can't even say save my
• 1:26:04
  murderous son and kill he do. No sense whatsoever, No.
• 1:26:09
  Sense No. Sense at all She was like, I'm
• 1:26:12
  still going to go for the revenge and I'm still going to
• 1:26:15
  be behind my son who's literally murdered like four or five
• 1:26:19
  innocent children, a couple of people, I think fully grown
• 1:26:23
  adults, I think during the cross of the show, just completely
• 1:26:26
  unhinged, cannot redeem him or just medicate away this
• 1:26:32
  sociopathic murderous tendency. Yeah, let him out.
• 1:26:38
  Let him free and kill this innocent girl.
• 1:26:41
  I just don't understand like the beef that she had was so deep
• 1:26:46
  and for what? Nada, Just.
• 1:26:49
  Yeah, the fucking underground. Chamber with the two bank
• 1:26:52
  vaults. Oh my gosh.
• 1:26:56
  And the the assistant. This I'm sorry.
• 1:26:59
  The secretary opens it with a key that slots into the lock on
• 1:27:04
  the old man's portrait and the lock was his signet ring.
• 1:27:08
  I have in my notes. What in the parasite in all
• 1:27:10
  caps? I was.
• 1:27:13
  I was. Expecting I don't know why I was
• 1:27:15
  expecting that too, but the way the secretary was going hard for
• 1:27:20
  mom, I thought he was gonna be the father of oh the real pixon
• 1:27:27
  and maybe they had an affair like that's there's so many ways
• 1:27:33
  and The thing is what's sad is you're.
• 1:27:34
  Coming up with better mock John. That's what's sad is.
• 1:27:40
  That. Probably both of us can sit here
• 1:27:42
  and spitball a better show that's even more outrageous, but
• 1:27:47
  it works better than what we got.
• 1:27:50
  That's true. That's true, but maybe that's
• 1:27:53
  what was sustaining me because my active imagination was just
• 1:28:00
  running wild with this could have and this could happen and
• 1:28:05
  and then I just get disappointed like and then you're just like,
• 1:28:08
  oh. Oh.
• 1:28:11
  I got mad when the. Secretary, let's heed you out.
• 1:28:14
  Yeah, which I felt like was very Snow White, Right, Snow White
• 1:28:17
  and the Huntsman type of deal where like the huntsman's like,
• 1:28:20
  she's after your heart run away and very much Snow White coated.
• 1:28:25
  So she gets out and I'm like, OK, so she's been starving
• 1:28:29
  herself for four days. She has energy.
• 1:28:33
  And her hair looks perfectly. Clean.
• 1:28:36
  Her skin is moisturized and it just wasn't computing.
• 1:28:39
  If I don't get out of bed for a day, I look like shit.
• 1:28:44
  She was locked in. A bank vault basically for four
• 1:28:48
  days. Was not eating, barely drinking.
• 1:28:53
  She looks like she came out of the salon.
• 1:28:57
  She did crash her car. And then was taken.
• 1:29:00
  Yeah, she crashed into the. Fucking barrier.
• 1:29:03
  So where's the neck brace? Like I'm, I was just like, Oh my
• 1:29:07
  God, this show just. Don't understand?
• 1:29:12
  Why? The cop was like, I'm going to
• 1:29:13
  follow closely behind you. I was like, OK.
• 1:29:17
  Great, great. Great, Got it.
• 1:29:19
  Noted that cop was 15 minutes behind them.
• 1:29:22
  Yeah, yeah. He was.
• 1:29:24
  I mean, what protection? What Police protection?
• 1:29:27
  That's what I. Mean by incompetent police I
• 1:29:30
  cannot do it and then. This fucking.
• 1:29:33
  Guy you young sucks character. Once the real pixon comes up
• 1:29:38
  with a shotgun or a rifle and is taunting them from outside the
• 1:29:42
  vehicle, I'm like OK, perfect. Yu Yun Suk is.
• 1:29:47
  Going to step. On the gas and run this guy
• 1:29:49
  over. That was in my mind.
• 1:29:51
  I was like, OK, this is what's going to happen next.
• 1:29:53
  No, no, no, that's not what happens.
• 1:29:55
  Yu Yun Suk. Gets.
• 1:29:57
  Out of the car and I was like just run him the fuck over.
• 1:30:02
  You have a one like a 1 1/2 ton vehicle.
• 1:30:06
  He's not going to brace himself and make it OK.
• 1:30:10
  It was baffling, baffling. That choice for him to get out
• 1:30:14
  of the car and face off against him one-on-one.
• 1:30:17
  Enough time for the cops to come and surround him.
• 1:30:20
  And then we see this nightmare scenario that happens in Heju's
• 1:30:24
  head, where kids get shot by the killer, by the real.
• 1:30:30
  Just stop. Just.
• 1:30:31
  Stop with it these terrible edits.
• 1:30:35
  Oh my gosh. And then the real pixel.
• 1:30:38
  On just says a word to him and his whole world crumbles.
• 1:30:43
  What Listen to? Me.
• 1:30:47
  Hiju has never spoken about the stepbrother, has never shown
• 1:30:52
  interest in the stepbrother. We don't have a scene of her
• 1:30:56
  going to the mausoleum or the grave of this little boy and
• 1:31:01
  paying her respects and feeling so sorry and missing him and all
• 1:31:04
  that shit. We don't have any sort of
• 1:31:06
  relationship. That's a word.
• 1:31:08
  For her SO. What?
• 1:31:10
  Why does you Yunsuk think? Oh my God, I need to fuck off
• 1:31:16
  across the world to Argon and Ghoster.
• 1:31:20
  You know what I thought? I.
• 1:31:22
  Really thought he was going to say or it was going to be
• 1:31:26
  revealed. It was actually grandpa who was
• 1:31:29
  killing the kids and framed the real Pixar on and got rid of him
• 1:31:35
  so he'd feel like, Oh my gosh, it was my dad.
• 1:31:39
  That's what I thought too. I thought.
• 1:31:41
  Oh, maybe that killer is just crazy because he was almost
• 1:31:45
  drowned to death by exactly a grandfather.
• 1:31:49
  So that's. What where all the ticks and all
• 1:31:52
  of his mania comes from? But no, it's not what what you
• 1:31:56
  said, which was had this working theory that the old man was the
• 1:31:58
  real killer of all the orphanage kids.
• 1:32:00
  Yeah. And he was blaming it on PIXA
• 1:32:03
  and or just. Killing his grandchild because
• 1:32:05
  he's. Murderer, which would to me
• 1:32:08
  would also make sense with. Doctors Hutchins like
• 1:32:14
  investigation and who has seen this ring?
• 1:32:17
  And there used to be rich people who used to live here and the
• 1:32:21
  orphanage like that would have made sense to me.
• 1:32:25
  But all you came to tell me was, oh, it was.
• 1:32:28
  He caught the hit on What's the. Yeah, no, it was stupid.
• 1:32:33
  It was stupid. I would have preferred that.
• 1:32:36
  He whispered in in his ear and said, hey, your dad is the real
• 1:32:41
  killer of all of these kids. I've never killed anybody in my
• 1:32:45
  life. I'm innocent.
• 1:32:47
  You are the son of a murderer. That would have been in five
• 1:32:51
  times that would have been. Way better of a gotcha.
• 1:32:55
  Moment in that scene where you young sucks character is just
• 1:33:00
  crumbles yeah his world is shaken and he.
• 1:33:05
  Just. Fucks off for six months to.
• 1:33:10
  Do penance in. This form of self flatulation,
• 1:33:13
  yeah, because of the sins of the father thing that a lot of K
• 1:33:17
  dramas like to do. Again, it's very old school.
• 1:33:19
  Yeah, very old school. But I would have taken that, but
• 1:33:22
  I would have. Taken it.
• 1:33:23
  I would have taken that way over.
• 1:33:25
  Hey, you killed this little. Boy, your dad killed this little
• 1:33:29
  boy, so not enough. Not enough.
• 1:33:33
  And it just reduced. I thought it was a character
• 1:33:36
  assassination. You know, all this growth and if
• 1:33:39
  you can call it all this growth over the course of the show of
• 1:33:43
  him and her getting to know each other and communicating and
• 1:33:46
  really expressing their wants and needs and falling deeper and
• 1:33:49
  deeper in love. He just like doesn't think, oh,
• 1:33:53
  she's going to hear about this. She's going to find out if she
• 1:33:56
  doesn't already. And she's not going to forgive
• 1:34:00
  me. She's not going to be with me,
• 1:34:02
  baby, She ran her motherfucking car off a Cliff for you.
• 1:34:06
  Of course she's going to listen to what you got to say, and
• 1:34:09
  she's going to. Forgive you, She's a.
• 1:34:10
  Rider die literally ride or die like that bitch is crazy for
• 1:34:14
  you. Which is so wild because she
• 1:34:16
  wanted a divorce and. You know, I don't know man, I
• 1:34:22
  got mad even in episode 11 with the.
• 1:34:25
  Vignette of what could have been.
• 1:34:27
  And it's like this whole Christmas thing.
• 1:34:30
  I got mad because sure. They had a.
• 1:34:33
  Christmas make out scene and it was sexy.
• 1:34:35
  It was hot. Sure, sure, sure.
• 1:34:37
  They were cooking steak in a toaster oven and I got offended.
• 1:34:42
  I was just getting mad at like any little thing in.
• 1:34:45
  This show. By the end of it, you just be
• 1:34:49
  triggered because you're triggered by.
• 1:34:51
  Every fucking thing. I was like.
• 1:34:52
  Is that a fucking steak? Are they cooking 2 steaks in the
• 1:34:56
  toast oven and he burned it? It could have been an air fryer.
• 1:35:00
  It was no air fryer. It wasn't no air fryer.
• 1:35:03
  I was like, did they? Just put it in there to broil
• 1:35:05
  it, like after cooking it in a pan.
• 1:35:07
  And I had all these questions about the stupid steak in this
• 1:35:11
  Christmas vignette. Even her nightmare just didn't
• 1:35:15
  make no sense either. The nightmare of the police
• 1:35:18
  surrounding them, the police just letting the killer shoot.
• 1:35:25
  Union suck. What I was like, wait, wait.
• 1:35:28
  Wait, what? World.
• 1:35:29
  Yeah, the gratuitous shot of the real pixon.
• 1:35:34
  They show him on television, on the news.
• 1:35:37
  His hand, his dead arm flops out from underneath the sheet.
• 1:35:41
  Never. That would never happen on
• 1:35:43
  television. Never happened on television.
• 1:35:46
  I even got mad at the mom who lost her shit, Pixon's mom,
• 1:35:52
  because they show her crying in prison over the flop, the arm
• 1:35:55
  flopping out and she's like, Oh no, my son is dead.
• 1:35:58
  She starts crying. I got mad at her Botox and
• 1:36:01
  filler face. I was like, she can't even cry.
• 1:36:07
  Then they go oh. She appealed to get the death.
• 1:36:11
  Penalty because life in prison wasn't enough for her she want
• 1:36:13
  to be reunited with her dead son who's literally the worst
• 1:36:17
  problem and I'm like yeah, do it do it I don't care I don't give
• 1:36:22
  a shit and. Then.
• 1:36:26
  The male lead disappeared, gave all his assets away to charity.
• 1:36:31
  I was like, why? Why?
• 1:36:34
  You can live in luxury. There was no corruption to be
• 1:36:38
  like this is dirty money, why did you?
• 1:36:41
  Need Why give the money? Away.
• 1:36:42
  I'm confused. I'm like we.
• 1:36:43
  Can go to Bora Bora when? You're back, Hun.
• 1:36:46
  Why are you giving all the money away?
• 1:36:48
  I was getting mad at everything. Everything.
• 1:36:50
  I was getting pissed at everything.
• 1:36:52
  I got mad at her Christmas tree. She had this dollar store
• 1:36:55
  Christmas tree and it just looked horrible.
• 1:36:58
  Horrible for a fake tree. I've seen Dillard's have better
• 1:37:01
  artificial trees. I was mad.
• 1:37:04
  I was big mad in the last two episodes because it just
• 1:37:06
  culminated right? Like I was already frustrated.
• 1:37:09
  I was already picking this shit apart.
• 1:37:11
  But this is just me writing down notes at this point.
• 1:37:14
  I was mad at the six O 4 area code.
• 1:37:17
  Because he was. Calling her on a new number from
• 1:37:19
  Oregon that was four O 6 and she was putting 22 together 4O66O
• 1:37:23
  four. I was like babe fuck off, fuck
• 1:37:27
  off. Then they come and say, oh, he
• 1:37:29
  was a war. Correspondent back in the day.
• 1:37:31
  That was a if. I looked away for a second in
• 1:37:34
  episode one or two and didn't see when they said offhand,
• 1:37:39
  yeah, he was a war correspondent.
• 1:37:41
  No, no, just bringing that back in the final episode.
• 1:37:45
  I heard so many people bitching online saying oh this was all in
• 1:37:50
  the book, This was how the web. Tune was written.
• 1:37:52
  Argon was in there. He fucked up Argon.
• 1:37:55
  It's all in there. I'm like babes, I don't give a
• 1:37:57
  fuck. I don't give a fuck.
• 1:37:59
  Let me tell you right now what's wrong.
• 1:38:01
  Is that people don't look at if you read.
• 1:38:04
  The book, any book that something is based on, you're
• 1:38:07
  going to have all the context. You're going to have everything
• 1:38:11
  in mind already. And to me, movie adaptation or
• 1:38:16
  AK drama adaptation in this case, should stand on its own.
• 1:38:19
  Yeah, it's a separate thing, separate entity, separate piece
• 1:38:22
  of art. I agree.
• 1:38:23
  You can't come and tell me. Oh, it's all in the literature.
• 1:38:26
  I'm like, babe, no, the lit that I saw is right in front of me.
• 1:38:29
  And it really doesn't track that.
• 1:38:32
  He was a spy, basically, and could survive six months in a
• 1:38:37
  Hut in Oregon. OK.
• 1:38:39
  He was wearing tailored suits the entire time we saw him, and
• 1:38:42
  now he's up here in tactical vests, and yeah, he looks good.
• 1:38:48
  He looks good. Great.
• 1:38:49
  I guess that's the only reason to put this in here is because
• 1:38:53
  he's rocking it. Yeah, but that doesn't work.
• 1:38:56
  Doesn't work. Doesn't compute.
• 1:38:58
  She gets kidnapped another time when she goes to Oregon and
• 1:39:00
  trying to find him. Maybe this is the one kidnapped.
• 1:39:05
  What is she going? What was she thinking?
• 1:39:07
  I oh, I was so mad at her. Even her.
• 1:39:11
  Outfit to go traipsing. Along in the woods, I was like,
• 1:39:14
  I'm mad at that. Are you wearing slacks in the
• 1:39:17
  jungle? I was mad all around.
• 1:39:20
  Yeah. He basically just exiled himself
• 1:39:23
  because he felt guilty for ruining her life.
• 1:39:24
  He didn't do shit like he's the victim.
• 1:39:27
  And then he comes back. Where's the therapy like I need?
• 1:39:30
  Therapy just as. Much as these characters, after
• 1:39:34
  watching all this bullshit, she was fine.
• 1:39:38
  She heard what he had to. Say about.
• 1:39:41
  His dad ordering the hit and she was like, I'm here, I'm in front
• 1:39:45
  of you. There's nobody to punish.
• 1:39:48
  You're only punishing me. Come back to me.
• 1:39:51
  I have this direct quote. I needed to punish myself.
• 1:39:54
  I needed an excuse. Oh my God, what happened to
• 1:39:58
  Don't let? Anyone tell you they don't want
• 1:40:01
  you twice or show you they don't want you twice?
• 1:40:05
  I don't think she got that memo. Because the way oh you left
• 1:40:10
  after all this shit we've been through, we're done, we're done.
• 1:40:14
  Yep, the only thing she didn't do was catch a grenade for.
• 1:40:17
  Him. She did.
• 1:40:18
  Everything else, yeah, it went too far.
• 1:40:22
  And then you get this steamy sex scene in the self.
• 1:40:25
  Flatulent shack in Oregon with some crazy open mouth kissing
• 1:40:30
  and I'm like, I skipped too little too late yeah I was so
• 1:40:34
  pissed off I. Just.
• 1:40:36
  Skipped that. Whole scene and I was super
• 1:40:39
  pissed. I remember being super pissed
• 1:40:41
  off with the background because I'm like, why does the
• 1:40:44
  background look like a life action cartoon that's not a real
• 1:40:50
  background? Like why does it look like an
• 1:40:53
  episode of the Survivor cartoon? Like I was, oh, I was pissed
• 1:40:58
  off. And then I turned it off and I
• 1:41:00
  was like, OK, let's go on to love Scout.
• 1:41:03
  Just let's move on. Because.
• 1:41:07
  He. I.
• 1:41:09
  Was shocked. That he even went so far as to
• 1:41:11
  say, oh, I came to Oregon because the sunsets.
• 1:41:16
  I love sunsets, and the sunsets reminded me there's.
• 1:41:22
  Sunsets everywhere. All around the.
• 1:41:24
  World Why you got to go to Oregon in this active war zone
• 1:41:28
  or whatever the fuck. Go to Guatemala, go to Fiji.
• 1:41:33
  Go to Canada. Go to Japan like you can go
• 1:41:36
  anywhere and see sunsets and make yourself feel bad.
• 1:41:40
  I think they just wanted to give the.
• 1:41:43
  Folks who have read the book Like a token.
• 1:41:48
  He never showed an interest in sunsets before.
• 1:41:51
  Well, he. Did he did.
• 1:41:55
  There was his phone background was a sunset and sorry I'm.
• 1:42:03
  Rolling my eyes. Can't see that, but I am and.
• 1:42:08
  I think he. It was because of.
• 1:42:10
  Her like he was watching her through one of like her windows
• 1:42:16
  or something like that. And he turns around and he takes
• 1:42:20
  a picture of the sunset. Something like that.
• 1:42:23
  He found a way to link sunsets to her.
• 1:42:27
  OK, you sound very skeptical. Well, I am.
• 1:42:31
  I am. It's the same.
• 1:42:32
  Thing as the the war. Correspondence and Oregon and
• 1:42:35
  all these things that are mentioned just once in passing.
• 1:42:39
  Yeah. I don't feel like the sunsets
• 1:42:40
  were necessarily a token that I should have held onto.
• 1:42:43
  So no, that's true. That's true.
• 1:42:46
  They wear it and the show. That much for us to feel like,
• 1:42:49
  oh, that's unimportant. That's the sky that he took a
• 1:42:54
  picture of when he saw Heju for the first, it didn't have any
• 1:42:59
  significance. I mean he should have just went
• 1:43:01
  to China where they manufacture phones.
• 1:43:04
  Since their relationship really started on the phone and they
• 1:43:08
  should have continued on the phone.
• 1:43:12
  Oh God, a lot of like. Just overtly.
• 1:43:15
  Sickeningly romantic things like he changes his name to Yuyang,
• 1:43:19
  meaning you and love. I thought that was silly because
• 1:43:23
  he would have had a name. While he lived with the fishing
• 1:43:27
  guy, what was his name? Then what was his name?
• 1:43:30
  Second couple babies get engaged.
• 1:43:33
  We didn't see any of their romance or courtship.
• 1:43:36
  They're just engaged. It's a shame the mom
• 1:43:39
  reconciliation that again, I don't believe for a second, I
• 1:43:43
  don't think it was enough. It was just not addressed that
• 1:43:46
  the mom was so toxic and cruel to heed you throughout the show.
• 1:43:53
  And then at the end she's just like, Oh my God, my baby, she's
• 1:43:56
  missing. And then at the end she's all of
• 1:43:59
  a sudden just devastated. We don't get closure with dad
• 1:44:04
  then 11. Final shove to push us over the
• 1:44:07
  Cliff. Is the controversial, what is it
• 1:44:11
  war-torn Ismail? Oh no.
• 1:44:14
  And some other country. I can't remember the other
• 1:44:16
  country. Which is.
• 1:44:17
  A conflict all too familiar to us today.
• 1:44:22
  It's just a stuff actively for. Israel.
• 1:44:27
  And the struggles in Gaza with Hamas, that really pissed me off
• 1:44:34
  and. Yeah, there was just no need.
• 1:44:37
  It was so controversial. It's such.
• 1:44:40
  A hot topic, and no matter where you stand on the issue, for the
• 1:44:43
  creators to include this was just too controversial as to be
• 1:44:50
  stupid. It was really unnecessary.
• 1:44:53
  So unnecessary. That knocked it down another.
• 1:44:57
  Peg for me, so I'd give. It 3/3 social models.
• 1:45:02
  Yeah, three social. Models.
• 1:45:04
  Somebody told me that the. 2nd. Female lead that actress.
• 1:45:08
  Was getting a lot of hate on her social media pages for
• 1:45:12
  delivering the lines about why blame her.
• 1:45:16
  I'm like why blame her? She didn't write it.
• 1:45:18
  Yeah, she didn't write it. That's.
• 1:45:19
  Ridiculous. Get smart, people.
• 1:45:22
  It was just too bold and stupid to have him.
• 1:45:25
  And then the whole thing was he was going to negotiate some
• 1:45:27
  hostage situation over there and presumably the Middle East.
• 1:45:32
  As an international audience especially, I think we're
• 1:45:34
  reeling. We're just like, wow, what?
• 1:45:36
  Yeah. I remember turning off my TV
• 1:45:39
  when I saw that. I was like.
• 1:45:40
  You just of everything, you just had to destroy it, make it go
• 1:45:47
  all the way to the bottom for me.
• 1:45:49
  Yeah, I didn't. I didn't like that.
• 1:45:51
  I thought it was. It really cheapened it.
• 1:45:54
  Yeah. And the conflict is.
• 1:45:56
  Not. Something you just say by the
• 1:46:00
  wayside and think it's OK and move on.
• 1:46:03
  No, you're getting me serious. But let's just say I did not
• 1:46:08
  appreciate it. And I was very disappointed, but
• 1:46:12
  not surprised. They have a way of fucking
• 1:46:15
  things up at the end. It was just very insensitive.
• 1:46:18
  Yeah, that's the. Word.
• 1:46:20
  They could have made-up anything.
• 1:46:23
  I agree they could have. North Korea is right there.
• 1:46:26
  Not even North Korea, if they. Wanted a fictional place they.
• 1:46:29
  Could have gone to that place in descendants of the sun.
• 1:46:34
  They could have revived that and it's it's all in the same
• 1:46:38
  universe. It would be a.
• 1:46:40
  You know, a multiverse of because the way they've set him.
• 1:46:44
  Up at the end it feels like he could actually be in a new show
• 1:46:49
  of Vagabond and it wouldn't make sense.
• 1:46:53
  So I just feel like they could have done just a Vagabond tie in
• 1:46:59
  universe. No, Yeah.
• 1:47:01
  And I. Saw some people saying.
• 1:47:02
  This felt like descendants of the sun.
• 1:47:03
  Ending babe Descendants of the Sun ending did it better and it
• 1:47:07
  actually sort of made sense because he was a soldier and
• 1:47:11
  then he gets captured. He's kind of like this prisoner
• 1:47:13
  of war thing with the second male lead of the second couple.
• 1:47:18
  He like by some miracle makes it back.
• 1:47:20
  OK, fine, I'll take it. It makes sense.
• 1:47:22
  Like why he would even be over there, why he would even be
• 1:47:24
  gone. And lest we forget, I think the
• 1:47:28
  final scene in Descendants of the Sun is they get an SOS call.
• 1:47:32
  There's an emergency. There's a volcano erupting in
• 1:47:36
  Canada. Don't get me started.
• 1:47:39
  And that's where we. Where do we end in the Senate?
• 1:47:43
  It's I mean, that's super out of left field, but Nah, you just
• 1:47:49
  reminded because I was so. Pissed off.
• 1:47:51
  They were like, we're in Vancouver.
• 1:47:53
  I think they were supposed to be in Vancouver and they showed the
• 1:47:56
  Seattle skyline and I got pissed off.
• 1:47:59
  I was like, what the hell, like. Stop it.
• 1:48:05
  Also we've covered. Descendants of the Sun on the
• 1:48:08
  Tabak feed. So if you want to go.
• 1:48:09
  Back you can listen to our full thoughts and hear me and Rico
• 1:48:12
  just go into it go into it so. That's it.
• 1:48:17
  Like that's. The show a pappy ending.
• 1:48:19
  Yeah, I love how you said I don't expect this to.
• 1:48:23
  Be a long episode I did. I did say that.
• 1:48:27
  And here we are, two hours later.
• 1:48:29
  But we had some shit to talk about.
• 1:48:32
  We did I, I think I got it all off my chest.
• 1:48:36
  Did you have anything? Else you wanted to add about
• 1:48:39
  this show, it was a ride for 20/24 and.
• 1:48:44
  That's it. I can't.
• 1:48:46
  I tried to rewatch it to talk about this and all of a sudden
• 1:48:51
  my brain was like absolutely not blocked What you needed from
• 1:48:57
  that. Time.
• 1:48:59
  You got. Oh, you don't need it right now.
• 1:49:02
  There was a season for this show and that.
• 1:49:05
  Season is gone. That season is gone.
• 1:49:08
  Yeah, you've benefited. As much as you could.
• 1:49:10
  From this show and now you're just going to set it down, leave
• 1:49:13
  by the wayside. Yeah, the last thing I'll say,
• 1:49:16
  and this comes from Time magazine and I was like, oh,
• 1:49:18
  great point that same Time magazine thing thing that said
• 1:49:21
  this was the mock Jiang of the year.
• 1:49:22
  They said it's worth noting that, like the ending of other
• 1:49:26
  drama Lovely Runner, when the Phone Rings falls into the
• 1:49:30
  Magical Cure, or throwing off the disability trope, which
• 1:49:34
  links a happy ending to a character no longer having a
• 1:49:37
  disability. Oh, it goes doubly because the
• 1:49:41
  sister got. Miraculously cured.
• 1:49:44
  And Heju also can speak barely using sign language.
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  And then she decides at the end of the show I'm going to go back
• 1:49:51
  to interpreting. Yeah.
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  And really, like, she doesn't have lasting consequences.
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  She's not really disabled. Yeah.
• 1:49:59
  It's hard when, like a lot of K dramas, fall into this pitfall.
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  Of. You know, you got somebody in a
• 1:50:05
  wheelchair, you got somebody who's deaf, somebody who's mute.
• 1:50:07
  Somebody with amnesia. Somebody with whatever they did
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  this in Good Bad Mother as well from 2023.
• 1:50:14
  And that really bothered me really bothered me in that show.
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  And it's a blight another blight on the show too, as they put it
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  in Time magazine. This trope can reinforce the
• 1:50:25
  idea that disabled people are unable to live fulfilling lives
• 1:50:28
  without being cured of their disability.
• 1:50:31
  And that's just not not a good message.
• 1:50:34
  It's not. It keeps the marginalized on
• 1:50:38
  the. Fringes of society.
• 1:50:40
  And I don't think not. I don't think it's not a good
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  message to send out with that. We're going to put a, put a stop
• 1:50:47
  on this. We're just not.
• 1:50:48
  We're not. Going to return to it.
• 1:50:50
  I, I'm sure that Carol would love to hear from you guys.
• 1:50:54
  Carol, where can they find you online to talk about when the
• 1:50:57
  phone rings? Well, with the landscape of
• 1:51:02
  social media right now. I am on Instagram as K Dramas
• 1:51:08
  musings and and on Blue Sky as K Drama Musings and you can find
• 1:51:14
  me on those two platforms now. Nice, nice.
• 1:51:19
  You can talk to me or Carol. About when the phone rings, but
• 1:51:23
  that's a wrap. That's been our show.
• 1:51:25
  Thank you, Carol, for coming on and doing this extensive dress
• 1:51:29
  down when the phone rings. Thank you for having me.
• 1:51:33
  I had fun. I'm glad I have the show.
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  Out of my system and we move on to the next.
• 1:51:40
  On to the next big one. That's our show.
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  I'm Jessica and this has been the TEBA.
• 1:51:44
  Kia Rambles Podcast.