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Normally Podcast: Kamala Talking Israel is Painful · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, and welcome to normally the show with normalist
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Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird in its selection
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Speaker 1: year so it always feels weird. I am Mary Katherine
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Speaker 1: Ham and.
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Speaker 2: I'm Carol Markuitz.
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Speaker 1: Well, what do we have going on today? I do
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Speaker 1: want to note before we start that it is, of
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Speaker 1: course the anniversary week of October seventh, twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 1: and I want to commend Carol and I if you're
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Speaker 1: watching our video clips, both have our is really themed
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Speaker 1: shirts on yours just better an iron Dome T shirt.
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Speaker 1: But I just wanted to commend to you guys from
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Speaker 1: Carol's substack some writing about people's reaction to October seventh
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Speaker 1: over the past year and people who have been disappointing,
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Speaker 1: And by the way, thank you for the shout out.
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Speaker 1: I do feel so well deserved.
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Speaker 2: I mean you have been incredible. I feel so grateful
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Speaker 2: for you. I just I love the people that I'm
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Speaker 2: surrounded with, and I have never felt better about those
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Speaker 2: people than in the last year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's it's been strange because I think
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Speaker 1: it was the easiest moral test to pass, which then
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Speaker 1: makes me more disturbed that many did not. And I
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Speaker 1: think that's what a lot of people dealt with post
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Speaker 1: October seventh, and Carol and I traveled to Israel together,
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Speaker 1: and it's just so hard to even comprehend what happened
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Speaker 1: that day to this day and will be forever probably,
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Speaker 1: But I wanted to note that so you guys can read.
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Speaker 2: Carol's thank you Mane before we.
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Speaker 1: Get to the nitty gritty of the politics news, which
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Speaker 1: actually Kamala Harris Vice President. Kamala Harris has changed her
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Speaker 1: tack when it comes to dealing with media. She is
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Speaker 1: doing a big media blitz by her standards this week,
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Speaker 1: sixty minutes a podcast call Her Daddy, a very popular
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Speaker 1: podcast with young women. She's doing the View, she's doing Colbert,
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Speaker 1: she's doing Howard Stern. So this is like about as
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Speaker 1: much as it gets for Kamala Harris. And let's just
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Speaker 1: start with the most serious one, which is a sixty
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Speaker 1: minutes interview in which she gives this answer about policy
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Speaker 1: toward Israel Prime Minister Netanya, who is not listening.
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Speaker 2: Well, Bill.
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Speaker 3: The work that we have done has resulted in a
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Speaker 3: number of movements in that region by Israel that were
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Speaker 3: very much prompted by or a result of many things,
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Speaker 3: including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region.
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Speaker 2: I would say that's the only serious one that she's doing.
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Speaker 2: And it's interesting, you know, there's always this idea that
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Speaker 2: you can separate a leader that you don't like from
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Speaker 2: a country that you say that you are an ally with.
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Speaker 2: But I think that people need to understand that there's
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Speaker 2: not a single Israeli leader who would be doing anything
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Speaker 2: differently today than Benjaminette Now who's doing it. There are
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Speaker 2: leaders who would be probably more brutal. There are leaders
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Speaker 2: who would probably be doing more, for example, Now, who's
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Speaker 2: often criticized in Israel from the right for evacuating the
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Speaker 2: North because how could you give up anything, How could
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Speaker 2: you let, you know, show any fear, how could you
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Speaker 2: let any wins happen? So I think people need to
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Speaker 2: get that. And it's a parsing that Kamala Harris has
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Speaker 2: to do in order to have Michigan in play, and
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Speaker 2: it's really kind of gross.
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Speaker 1: What I'm struck by is well, a couple things in
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Speaker 1: this answer one and we'll play another one that reflects
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Speaker 1: this as well, but the fact that she often doesn't
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Speaker 1: seem to really even clock the questions she's asked. It's
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Speaker 1: very clear, and look, a lot of politicians do this.
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Speaker 1: There's just a deck in her head and she's going
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Speaker 1: to the deck. But hers is much more rigid than
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Speaker 1: most people.
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Speaker 2: Shallow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that too, and Israel in particular, she and Walls,
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Speaker 1: and often the Biden administration seem not in touch with
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Speaker 1: actual reality on the ground, for instance, when they always
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Speaker 1: bring up a two state solution. I know when you
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Speaker 1: and I were there, Carol, were standing in Cafarazzo, which
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Speaker 1: was hit very hard in the burnt ruins of much
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Speaker 1: of this community. We're standing with a man who has
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Speaker 1: moved back in very shortly after October seventh, is perhaps
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Speaker 1: among the demographic most committed to peace, absolutely gods and neighbors,
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Speaker 1: because that's why the community was there, right, And he's
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Speaker 1: telling us this is two generations away at best, even considering.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they killed all the peacenicks like that. That's what
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Speaker 2: I think people need to get the kids dancing at
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Speaker 2: these festivals, those of people most likely to want peace
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Speaker 2: with a potential Palestinian state. You know, hersh Goldberg, he
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Speaker 2: had a sign in his bedroom that Jerusalem is for all,
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Speaker 2: and they killed this mayor who was activist and a
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Speaker 2: big time peace activist in these kibbutz's murdered him. I mean,
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Speaker 2: they literally killed the only demographic, not the only, but
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Speaker 2: the demographic who mostly would have supported this and so.
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Speaker 2: And the thing is that the Palestinians have not wanted
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Speaker 2: a state. They have been really, really open and blunt
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Speaker 2: about this, even you know every day Palestinians that you
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Speaker 2: hear from the goal is the destruction of Israel. And
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Speaker 2: if I think if the pro Palestinians in the West
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Speaker 2: cared about those Palestinians, they would say, that's never going
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Speaker 2: to happen. How do we move forward from this with
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Speaker 2: you accepting that Israel exists?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 1: That yes, that would actually deal with reality on the ground, right,
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Speaker 1: which is what I wish the Vice President could communicate
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Speaker 1: that she understands a little bit better.
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Speaker 3: But I do.
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Speaker 1: I feel like if they're stuck in this sort of
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Speaker 1: Georgetown symposium about the two state solutions from like fifteen
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Speaker 1: years ago, right, and that's not what's actually happening.
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Speaker 2: I'll just add one more thing that if anybody recalls
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Speaker 2: AOC when she first became a congresswoman, gave an interview
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Speaker 2: where She also had a very shallow understanding of anything,
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Speaker 2: and she ended up giggling and saying I'm not a
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Speaker 2: midd East expert, which, yeah, we know. But one of
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Speaker 2: the things that she got in trouble for is that
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Speaker 2: she said she was for the two state solution. Because
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Speaker 2: that used to be the liberal point of view. That
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Speaker 2: is no longer acceptable on the American left. Forget about Palestinians,
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Speaker 2: forget about Hamas, forget about like, you know, the real
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Speaker 2: crazies in that region we're talking. American congresswoman had to
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Speaker 2: basically walk back her support of the two state solution.
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is pushing this idea with nobody to accept it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I want to play another clip from Kamala's
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Speaker 1: sixty minutes. As you say, the only serious interview. Look,
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Speaker 1: people are welcome to do friendly interview. Hers is a
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Speaker 1: ratio problem, right, She's going on with the view Colbert
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Speaker 1: Howard Stern, I think, all of which have literally endorsed
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Speaker 1: her love. Yeah, I believe. So that's not exactly tough. Fine,
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Speaker 1: but her ratio is very low of doing tough interviews
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Speaker 1: to not tough because she doesn't do interviews. So let's
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Speaker 1: play the sixty minutes question where she's asked about how
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Speaker 1: her economic plan actually could come to be.
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Speaker 3: My plan is about saying that when you invest in
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Speaker 3: small businesses, you invest in the middle class, and you
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Speaker 3: strengthen America's economy. Small businesses are part of the backbone
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Speaker 3: of America's economy.
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Speaker 2: But pardon me that, Advice President. The question was, how
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Speaker 2: are you going to pay for it?
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Speaker 3: Well, one of the things that I'm going to make
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Speaker 3: sure that the richest among us who can afford it,
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Speaker 3: pay their fair share in taxes. It is not right
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Speaker 3: that teachers and nurses and firefighters are paying a higher
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Speaker 3: tax rate than billionaires and the biggest corporations. And I
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Speaker 3: plan on making that fair.
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Speaker 2: But we're dealing with the real world here.
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Speaker 3: But the real world includes how are you going to
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Speaker 3: get this through Congress? You know, when you talk quietly
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Speaker 3: with a lot of folks in Congress, they know exactly
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Speaker 3: what I'm talking about because their constituents know exactly what
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Speaker 3: I'm talking about. Their constituents are those firefighters and teachers
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Speaker 3: and nurses.
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Speaker 2: It's funny that she gets this pushback, right, It's like
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Speaker 2: she wasn't even prepared for this. How do you pay
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Speaker 2: for it, How do you pass it through Congress? This
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Speaker 2: is like the basics. She just always seems like the
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Speaker 2: kid who is really smart and doesn't do their homework
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Speaker 2: and things. They could talk their way out of it,
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Speaker 2: but she can't talk her way out of it. So
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Speaker 2: maybe the kid isn't as smart as they think they are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not surprised by her answers at this point. Frankly,
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Speaker 1: I have trouble watching them, just as a I have
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Speaker 1: a physiological embarrassment that happens when we watch these clips.
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Speaker 1: But yes, she's again. I appreciate the follow up. The
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Speaker 1: follow up is what always sort of nails her because
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Speaker 1: she has not thought past the deck in her head.
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Speaker 1: And if we can indulge us for one last clip,
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Speaker 1: can we play the thirty two days clip from her
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Speaker 1: stump speech where the teleprompter went off. Apparently it fails,
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Speaker 1: and this is what we get.
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Speaker 4: Remember his number thirty two today, we got thirty two
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Speaker 4: days until the election, So thirty two days, thirty two days, Okay,
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Speaker 4: we got some business to do.
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Speaker 5: We got some business to do, all right, thirty two days,
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Speaker 5: and we know we will do it. And this is
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Speaker 5: gonna be a very tight race. Until the very end.
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Speaker 5: This is gonna be a very tight race until the
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Speaker 5: very end.
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Speaker 4: We are the underdog and we know we have some
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Speaker 4: hard work ahead.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's so awkward. I find that's so difficult to watch.
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Speaker 2: I'm so I can't do awkward. And that was tough.
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Speaker 1: It's really tough. It's like an endurance event.
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Speaker 2: Plus, it's a stump speech. It's not like a great
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Speaker 2: policy speech that she's only given one time. It's a
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Speaker 2: stump speech. She should be able to like wing at
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Speaker 2: least some of it. Look, I'm a when I give
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Speaker 2: a speech, I have notes, I'm not a. My memory
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Speaker 2: just isn't what it used to be, and there's no
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Speaker 2: way I could just wing it. I get it, but
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Speaker 2: not have anything to say other than repeating thirty two days'
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Speaker 2: super awkward.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I understand that I probably put too
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Speaker 1: much emphasis on public speaking, as that is my thing
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Speaker 1: that I do, and I am decent at extipporatius speaking. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so that's stipulated. I find her remarkable because she's been
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Speaker 1: practicing for like decades. And this is where we are
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Speaker 1: real quick. Why do you think they're changing strategies? What
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Speaker 1: are they seeing that's making them switch. Tim Walls was
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Speaker 1: on Fox News this weekend.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was interesting. I was actually impressed that they
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Speaker 2: were at least doing one interview with Fox because all
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Speaker 2: these other interviews are so softball. I actually want to say, well,
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Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a second, but I do
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Speaker 2: think that they're switching because they think Kamala should be
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Speaker 2: running away with this and she's very much not. I
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Speaker 2: think if the election is held tomorrow, donald Trump wins,
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Speaker 2: and I think that they know that. Yeah, they're tied
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Speaker 2: in all these states, but they count on Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: voters not being open about it to pollsters. He's going
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Speaker 2: to pull you know, one percent two percent above where
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Speaker 2: he's polling in these states, and that's a Donald Trump win.
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Speaker 2: So they're trying to reverse momentum. I would say also
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Speaker 2: that I think they call her daddy interview. She's getting
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Speaker 2: a lot of flak from the Republicans on it could
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Speaker 2: have been really good for her, but she didn't do
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Speaker 2: it right. And here's the thing. I have never watched
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Speaker 2: call her daddy the whole thing, but I come across
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Speaker 2: the clips of Alex Cooper and having these conversations, and
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Speaker 2: she's always like in a hoodie, which she was yesterday,
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Speaker 2: but a hoodie with heels, and she got her legs crossed,
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Speaker 2: and it's kind of like just like two girls hitty up. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: she could have leaned into that and had a real
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Speaker 2: conversation where Americans got to see her. Instead, they got
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Speaker 2: mired down in the abortion question again, and they had
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Speaker 2: to lie about where Donald Trump is on abortion because
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Speaker 2: he's actually barely moderate to the you know, the dismay
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Speaker 2: of people on the right who don't like that, and
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Speaker 2: I get it, but she didn't play it correctly. Had
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Speaker 2: she kind of gone in there and done a call
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Speaker 2: her Daddy interview where she was more casual, I think
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Speaker 2: that really could have done something for her. But she's
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Speaker 2: so buttoned up and so afraid to let loose that
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Speaker 2: they just couldn't get her to do it.
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Speaker 1: I think that cuts to the problem she's running into.
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Speaker 1: Is that again and again, no matter how much they
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Speaker 1: put her out there, even in a situation like that,
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Speaker 1: what you find out is that she can't have a conversation, right.
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Speaker 1: That's what we find out every single time, even a
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Speaker 1: chatty girl talk conversation, and that's something that makes voters uncomfortable.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And it reminded me that Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: went on THEO vonn and had kind of a long ranging,
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Speaker 2: wide ranging conversation about all kinds of things that could
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Speaker 2: have been it for her with women, and she didn't
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Speaker 2: take that opportunity to do that. So, yeah, Kamala Harris
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Speaker 2: not that great of the talking.
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Speaker 1: Or the governing. But you know, we'll see about.
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Speaker 2: The vote thing at a time, Mary Catherine.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that leads.
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Speaker 2: Us into the fact that Democrats have decided that the
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Speaker 2: First Amendment is a problem. Maybe this is what their
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Speaker 2: plan is to get Kamala Harris to stop with all
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Speaker 2: the talk talking. Let's play the first clip John Kerry
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Speaker 2: on the First Amendment.
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Speaker 6: And I think the dislike of and anguish over social
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Speaker 6: media is just growing and growing and growing, and it's
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Speaker 6: part of our problem, particularly in democracies, in terms of
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Speaker 6: building consensus around any issue. It's really hard to govern today.
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Speaker 6: You can't you know, you know, there's no the referees
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Speaker 6: we used to have to determine what's the fact and
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Speaker 6: what is in the fact that kind of been eviscerated
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Speaker 6: to a certain degree, and people go and that people
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Speaker 6: self select where they go for their news. Or for
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Speaker 6: their information, and then you just get into a vicious cycle.
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Speaker 6: So it's really really hard, much harder to build consensus
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Speaker 6: today than at any time in the forty five fifty
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Speaker 6: years I've been involved in this. And you know, there's
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Speaker 6: a lot of discussion now about how you curb those
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Speaker 6: entities in order to guarantee that you're going to have,
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Speaker 6: you know, some accountability in facts, et cetera. But look,
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Speaker 6: if people go to only one source and the source
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Speaker 6: they go to is sick and you know, as an
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Speaker 6: agenda and they're putting out disinformation, our First Amendment stands
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Speaker 6: as a major block to the ability to be able
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Speaker 6: to just you know, hammer it out of existence. So
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Speaker 6: what you need, what we need is to is to
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Speaker 6: win the ground, win the right to govern by hopefully
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Speaker 6: having you know, winning enough votes that you're free to
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Speaker 6: be able to implement change. Obviously, there are some people
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Speaker 6: in our country who are prepared to implement change in
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Speaker 6: other ways, and that's where we're really Democracy can survive
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Speaker 6: on writing, I think democracies are very challenged right now
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Speaker 6: and have not proven they can move fast enough or
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Speaker 6: big enough to deal with the challenges that we are facing.
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Speaker 6: And to me, that is part of what this race,
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Speaker 6: this election is all about. Will we break the fever
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Speaker 6: in the United States?
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Speaker 2: So the First Amendment is a problem in democracy, is
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Speaker 2: Mary Catherine? What do we think of that?
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Speaker 1: I mean, three cheers for the First Amendment. He's at
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Speaker 1: some international confab as usual, where you know, all the
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Speaker 1: other those confabs, I know, all the other cool countries
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Speaker 1: get to arrest people when they tweet mean things, but
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Speaker 1: not in this country. And unfortunately, many of our liberal
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Speaker 1: elites find this to be a problem. I find that
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Speaker 1: to be disturbing, and it's disturbing that not that many
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Speaker 1: people find it disturbing these days. Yeah, people are very
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Speaker 1: comfortable with this kind of rhetoric about the First Amendment
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Speaker 1: because to them, they just go, well, just a bad
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Speaker 1: info will be gone, right, That's not how it works.
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Speaker 2: Friends, that we said this during the last episode, you know,
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Speaker 2: the whole screaming fire in a theater, your your pet peeve.
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Speaker 2: But Tim Walls was trying to say during the debate
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Speaker 2: that hate speech does not qualify on your First Amendment.
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Speaker 2: He was kind of drowned out, but he kept saying,
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Speaker 2: not hate speech, not hate speech. Yeah, hate speech. Hate
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Speaker 2: speech is also covered under the First Amendment. We used
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Speaker 2: to understand that, and now it seems that the Democrats
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Speaker 2: are trying to will into existence the fact that you
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Speaker 2: can't say whatever you want and we don't have that
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Speaker 2: right here, and it's really a problem. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think we have another clip of none other
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Speaker 1: than Hillary Clinton. I believe she's speaking to Michael Smercanish
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Speaker 1: on CNN, and she has this to say about social
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Speaker 1: media and if.
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Speaker 7: The platforms, whether it's Facebook or Twitter, X or Instagram
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Speaker 7: or TikTok, whatever they are, if they don't moderate and
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Speaker 7: monitor the content, we lose total control. And it's not
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Speaker 7: just the social and psychological effects, it's real harm.
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Speaker 1: They lose control, We lose control, Carol.
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Speaker 2: It does seem like they are afraid of losing control.
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Speaker 2: And I'm glad that she said that out loud, because
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Speaker 2: that's what we say to each other. They're afraid of
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Speaker 2: losing control, and here she comes to say, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: we're afraid of losing control. I would also say that
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Speaker 2: this relates to the fact that Elon Musk gets such
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Speaker 2: attack from the left for being a Trump supporter. They're saying, well,
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Speaker 2: how could he have X be an impartial platform while
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Speaker 2: supporting one of the candidates. All of the people who
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Speaker 2: have ever worked for X owned X supported one of
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Speaker 2: the candidates. They just maybe weren't quite as open as
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Speaker 2: he is about it. I think that's another thing that
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Speaker 2: Democrats kind of don't understand is that we all have opinions.
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Speaker 2: We know you have opinions. The whole thing is that
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Speaker 2: you're lying about the fact that you don't have.
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Speaker 1: An opinion well, and that the more you favor people
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Speaker 1: with the opinions you don't agree with having free reign,
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Speaker 1: the better we were able to actually get to the
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Speaker 1: bottom of things. That's what. The other thing that I
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Speaker 1: actually like how the Trump campaign has started framing this
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Speaker 1: as a threat to democracy to sort of echo, Okay,
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Speaker 1: you say that we're a threat, we say that you're
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Speaker 1: a threat in this way, which I actually a lot
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Speaker 1: of double hater voters are probably evaluating their vote this way,
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Speaker 1: like which of you guys is a bigger threst. So
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Speaker 1: Trump fans is saying, Okay, let's talk about the freedom
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Speaker 1: of speech issue. You guys clearly don't understand it to
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Speaker 1: the point of probably disliking the First Amendment and wanting
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Speaker 1: to change it. The Biden administration had a disinformation board.
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Speaker 1: The Biden administration has actively censored American citizens during COVID
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Speaker 1: so that we could not get real answers to real questions.
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Speaker 1: And those things do add up. Oh, they also censored,
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Speaker 1: like the entire media for the Hunter Biden story, right,
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Speaker 1: which the media doesn't even care about. Yeah, because they
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Speaker 1: were happy to do it. So those things are a threat.
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Speaker 1: And to hear really powerful people talk about how they
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Speaker 1: can't control Elon Musk makes me go, yeh, go Elon Musk.
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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, I mean, look, call me back. When
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk doesn't let you send a link to an
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Speaker 2: article that he doesn't like, which was the case before
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk took over. You not only couldn't access the
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Speaker 2: New York Post Twitter account at the time, you also
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Speaker 2: couldn't text or DM that link to your friend. You
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Speaker 2: couldn't share it at all. I'm sorry that was such
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Speaker 2: an overstep that, like anything that they say now about
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk, Yeah, he supports Donald Trump. And believe me
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Speaker 2: that the other CEOs you know, of all the other
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Speaker 2: media companies have supported who they've supported, almost always Democrats,
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Speaker 2: and they have acted accordingly. And he isn't so I'm
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Speaker 2: grateful for that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, do you think some sort of
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Speaker 1: stigma is falling a bit because the actor Zachary Levi
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Speaker 1: came out as a Trump supporter last okay, he was
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Speaker 1: the star of Chuck, which was like a sort of
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Speaker 1: spy guy comic book type sitcom, and then he actually
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Speaker 1: went into the Marble universe as one of the lesser characters.
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Speaker 1: But Shazam in the Marvel universe, he came out as
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Speaker 1: a Trump supporter. And then I saw a picture of
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Speaker 1: Dana Kapatrick with a woman for Trump jacket on.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
21:23
Speaker 1: I didn't know Danna Kakpatrick was a Trump supporter, but
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Speaker 1: she was with Sage Steele wearing this jacket, and I thought,
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Speaker 1: between Elon and those two, it does feel a bit
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Speaker 1: like the stigma has at least shifted down a notch.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it was the too attempted assassination.
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Speaker 2: Oh who remembers that well, So I would take it
21:44
Speaker 2: back to the Alex Cooper call her Daddy. In her
21:47
Speaker 2: intro of why she was interviewing Kamala Harris, she was
21:51
Speaker 2: visibly nervous. She was like, I don't know, I was
21:54
Speaker 2: kind of not sure if I should do this, and
21:56
Speaker 2: ultimately I don't think that it was a bad thing
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Speaker 2: for her personally to do that interview. Again, I don't
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Speaker 2: think that it was It went the way that it
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Speaker 2: should have went. But I think that Alex Cooper understands
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Speaker 2: that not every woman who listens to her is a Democrat,
22:11
Speaker 2: and not every woman is voting for Kamala Harris. You know,
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Speaker 2: they always say, like, oh, Donald Trump's doing so bad
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Speaker 2: with women, but you know, it's like he's in the
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Speaker 2: forties with women. He's not like from the twenties. It's
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Speaker 2: really not that far apart. He's like a few points
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Speaker 2: behind Kamala Harris with women. That means that women are
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Speaker 2: listening to call her daddy and they'll be going and
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Speaker 2: voting for Trump. So she understood that she was alienating
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Speaker 2: some part of her fan base, and I think it.
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Speaker 1: Showed by the way. Kudos to her for even acknowledging
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Speaker 1: that her transparency will help earn her trust with her audience.
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Speaker 1: And I believe there was some talk of her maybe
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Speaker 1: reaching out to Trump as well, but I think she did. Yeah,
22:51
Speaker 1: You're right that like call her daddy and THEO Vaughn
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Speaker 1: are basically analogous in reaching young women and young men.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely and call her Daddy got her start, of course
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Speaker 2: with Barstool, and I think that the fact, you know,
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Speaker 2: we've talked about it on here also, but Dave Portnoy's
23:07
Speaker 2: endorsement I think of Trump is also kind of a
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Speaker 2: big deal because he appeals to this young man audience
23:14
Speaker 2: that Trump really does need to win.
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Speaker 1: All right, speaking of stigma falling and all the stress
23:20
Speaker 1: of election season, can we talk a little bit about
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Speaker 1: this Yahoo story? Yeah, because we mean to heal Carol,
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Speaker 1: only do what you and I are all about in
23:29
Speaker 1: this headlines is twenty eight percent of Americans say it's
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Speaker 1: stressful to spend time with friends or family with different
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Speaker 1: political views. This is a Yahoo News you Go poll.
23:39
Speaker 1: You know both and I both you and I come
23:40
Speaker 1: from liberal towns, right. I think it sort of made
23:44
Speaker 1: me who I am?
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Speaker 2: Sure?
23:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I needed.
23:47
Speaker 2: My arguments are so much better than their arguments because
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Speaker 2: they only ever get to argue with me, and I
23:52
Speaker 2: get to argue with.
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Speaker 1: Lots of people, so many people. So what's your take
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Speaker 1: on spending time, especially during a pitched election season, with
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Speaker 1: those who disagree with you.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting because I think I lost all the people
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Speaker 2: that I was going to lose during the Bush administration.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm just like, if you're still here, we're cool
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Speaker 2: and we could get along even though even if we disagree. Yeah,
24:13
Speaker 2: you know I always hear this. You know, how to
24:16
Speaker 2: argue with your uncle on Thanksgiving? Like, please, don't argue
24:18
Speaker 2: with your uncle and Thanksgiving like argue whether marshmallows should
24:22
Speaker 2: go on the sweet potatoes. Don't argue politics with your
24:25
Speaker 2: family and Thanksgiving. You're really only get the one family.
24:30
Speaker 2: You should maybe try to preserve it and not have
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Speaker 2: ridiculous debates over the table. I get why it's stressful
24:36
Speaker 2: for people. I get that people need to stick their
24:40
Speaker 2: opinion places, but it would just really disappoint me if
24:43
Speaker 2: my kids grew up and argued with their aunts and uncles.
24:48
Speaker 2: I mean, we all happen to be kind of roughly
24:50
Speaker 2: on the same political side, but should they be on
24:52
Speaker 2: different sides if they are loved and cherished by their
24:57
Speaker 2: family members, I leave politics at the door.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of feel like taking into whatever relationship
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Speaker 1: you have with somebody who disagrees with you the idea
25:08
Speaker 1: of some grace about the fact that a lot of
25:10
Speaker 1: people see this as too mediocre to bad choices, right,
25:14
Speaker 1: everyone's a hybrid. There's there's very few people. I mean
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Speaker 1: Harry Sisson, I guess is the super fan who's just
25:22
Speaker 1: out there, you know, write in tweets for pay Okay,
25:25
Speaker 1: there is on.
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Speaker 2: The debate he said, I just that was the best one.
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Speaker 1: There is that type of person out there. But most
25:33
Speaker 1: of the people you know are some sort of hybrid.
25:35
Speaker 1: They're upset with certain things, but they're happy with other
25:38
Speaker 1: things and their candidate. And I think having grace for
25:41
Speaker 1: that is important. I do understand that people on certain
25:45
Speaker 1: issues will say like, this is just a moral line
25:48
Speaker 1: I can't cross, and it makes people want I mean, frankly,
25:50
Speaker 1: October seventh is one of those things for me where
25:52
Speaker 1: I look at people and go, wait a second, I
25:55
Speaker 1: thought we were I thought we'd be on the same
25:57
Speaker 1: page about this one. This one seems pretty black and white.
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Speaker 1: But I think even in the really unless it's egregious,
26:04
Speaker 1: even in the really the places where you have huge disagreements,
26:07
Speaker 1: you can find something else that you do not have
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Speaker 1: a disagreement about exactly. Or you could just talk about football.
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Speaker 2: Right or anything. Yeah, makeup I mean, whatever it is
26:18
Speaker 2: that you talk about. I think it's also important to
26:21
Speaker 2: have friends who don't talk about politics with I have
26:24
Speaker 2: those in my life where we literally never talk politics,
26:28
Speaker 2: both people I agree with and people I disagree with,
26:30
Speaker 2: which we just we laugh at the same stuff. And
26:33
Speaker 2: that's really what it's all about.
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Speaker 1: You will not be surprised by the way, and this
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Speaker 1: pops up in every survey like this, that the number
26:40
Speaker 1: of Democrats and Harris voters who say they've severed a
26:43
Speaker 1: relationship over this is higher than Republicans in almost every
26:48
Speaker 1: survey of this kind, Republicans are more willing to have
26:52
Speaker 1: cross partisan relationships and maintain them. I think that is
26:57
Speaker 1: interesting given that the left itself on the back for
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Speaker 1: being very tolerant, and it's maybe something that they should
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Speaker 1: take to heart and take into their relationships such that
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Speaker 1: they have them with other people who disagree with them
27:10
Speaker 1: also disagree with you. He keeps you honest.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and sharp. It keeps you sharp. You end
27:17
Speaker 2: up hearing the other side's arguments, and I think that's important. Well,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us on Normally. If
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Speaker 2: you have something to tell us, please email us at
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Speaker 2: Normallythepod at gmail dot com. I'm Carol Markowitz.
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Speaker 1: And I'm Mary Catherine Ham. Thanks for being here.
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Speaker 2: Catch us on Thursday.