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Joe Rogan Experience _2464 - Priyanka Chopra Jonas · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Check it out the Joe Logan Experience showIn My Day
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  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan Podcast by Night all day. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: Came on, how can you be nervous?
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  Speaker 1: That's ridiculous, Like I came in slightly intimidated.
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  Speaker 2: Why.
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  Speaker 1: I actually don't know the answer to that because we've
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  Speaker 1: never met yea, So it's not like you've intimidated me.
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  Speaker 1: But I just I'm really I think what I really
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  Speaker 1: enjoy about your show is just such an eclectic perspective
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  Speaker 1: on so many diverse things, and it comes like so
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  Speaker 1: naturally to you. I really admire that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, fortunately I don't have anybody pick my guests, so
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  Speaker 2: it's all people that I'm actually interested in talking to,
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  Speaker 2: so it's easy.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's nice. So thank you for picking me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my pleasure. I'm excited to talk to you. Your
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  Speaker 2: movie is fucking crazy, like it I knew it was
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  Speaker 2: a pilot pirate movie, but I just did not expect
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  Speaker 2: the ultra violence. Like from the beginning, I was like, yo,
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  Speaker 2: like I locked in immediately. I was like first scene,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, holy shit, like this is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you?
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  Speaker 2: That was that right to it. When you're doing something
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  Speaker 2: that's that hyper violent, Like, is that does that freak
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  Speaker 2: you out at all? Like you're cutting people open with
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  Speaker 2: swords and stabbing them in the neck, and it's like
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  Speaker 2: holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: When you're doing it, you know, it's like make believes.
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  Speaker 1: So it's so much fun to be like, yeah, blameing
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  Speaker 1: pirates and a boo. But I mean in moments of
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  Speaker 1: like scenes and stuff where I actually had to think
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  Speaker 1: about what it must have been like to be a
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  Speaker 1: female at that time, or because they existed. Women female
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  Speaker 1: pirates existed, and we just we didn't hear many much
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  Speaker 1: about stories about them. I mean, I heard about Grace O'Malley,
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  Speaker 1: maybe there were Mary read like a few famous ones
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  Speaker 1: she after I did my research, But like in those moments,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, this stuff must have like this was real.
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  Speaker 1: They lived at a time where it was survival of
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  Speaker 1: the fittest. It was barbaric, and I wonder what that
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  Speaker 1: must have been like. But besides that, the stunts and stuff, like,
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  Speaker 1: I really have so much admiration for the amount of
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  Speaker 1: precision it requires to pull that stuff off from so
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  Speaker 1: many people, not just the stunt department, but like the
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  Speaker 1: cameras because they're also moving and sync with you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and that's cool.
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  Speaker 2: It is cool. Is it hard to stay in the
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  Speaker 2: moment when all that is happening because you have so
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  Speaker 2: much coordination and so there's there's so much choreography. There's
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  Speaker 2: like he's gonna swing this way and you're gonna block
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  Speaker 2: it and you're gonna dive down. It's like it's so complex.
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  Speaker 2: Like these are long extended fight scenes.
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  Speaker 1: We had like a lot of wunners too, like full
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  Speaker 1: the whole scene in one shot, which Frankie, our director,
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  Speaker 1: really loved the idea of and I honestly love it
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  Speaker 1: because it brings you into that that moment is so
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  Speaker 1: enriched with everything that you're supposed to feel between action
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  Speaker 1: and cut. So I do love a long warner. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, I come from Bollywood movies, so we have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of choreography, choreography for like dance sequences where
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  Speaker 1: stories are also moving forward, like between you know, your
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  Speaker 1: exchange of expression or something's happening somewhere else you come back.
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  Speaker 1: So I treat sort of fight sequences like dancing. It's
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  Speaker 1: you learn the choreography, but that doesn't stop your face
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  Speaker 1: from telling the story.
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  Speaker 2: Right, That makes sense? Yeah, Yeah, And I mean it
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  Speaker 2: is kind. I mean it's just choreography, whether it's choreography
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  Speaker 2: with dance or choreography with movement weapons.
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  Speaker 1: I had never worked with blades before this movie though.
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  Speaker 2: That was cool. How much training did you have to do,
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  Speaker 2: like when you found out that you're going to take
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  Speaker 2: the role, how much preparation did you have to do
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  Speaker 2: physically to get ready for all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It was a cool year for me because I was
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  Speaker 1: filming three jobs which were all action and stunts. So
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  Speaker 1: this movie called Heads of State, which I did for
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  Speaker 1: Amazon again, and then Citadel and this movie. So it
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  Speaker 1: was a year of three action back jobs. So the
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  Speaker 1: you know, being agile and being in it was already
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  Speaker 1: part of what I was doing because that's what I
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  Speaker 1: was filming every day. But the swords training was tough
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  Speaker 1: and to be ambidextrous with it as well. So I
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  Speaker 1: had my stunt coordinator who's doing all three movies with me.
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  Speaker 1: She in between shots, she and I would just take
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  Speaker 1: our rubber swarts out and do like choreography and rehearsals.
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  Speaker 1: But like it took at least three or four months
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  Speaker 1: of just staying in it and getting loose with it.
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  Speaker 1: Also because Carl erb and my co actor had casual
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  Speaker 1: learned how to do like sword fights in The Lord
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  Speaker 1: of the Rings, right, So he was amazing at it.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't you know in that last duel, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to read any less than so I kind
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  Speaker 1: of went at it.
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  Speaker 2: No, you look very good at it. It was really good.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, did you work with some sort
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  Speaker 2: of like a kendo specialist or some fencing specialists, Like
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  Speaker 2: how did you learn how to move the sword correctly?
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't kendo for sure, and Deffanie wasn't fencing. It
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  Speaker 1: was uniquely because the swords were. Our director was very,
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  Speaker 1: very excited about the weapons in this movie and wanting
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  Speaker 1: to get it really right from the period, whether it
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  Speaker 1: was the guns that we used or the blades that
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  Speaker 1: we used. The machete was one of my favorite weapons
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  Speaker 1: in the movie because that's like her weapon in the movie,
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  Speaker 1: because it's practical. Use it for coconuts, use it for skulls,
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  Speaker 1: same same, And that was really fun. But our you know,
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  Speaker 1: second unit director Rob Alonso had so much experience in
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  Speaker 1: the amount of work that he's done prior. He came
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  Speaker 1: in with a very specific idea of wanting to make
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  Speaker 1: the fighting style super unique, and each set piece like
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  Speaker 1: a different design of choreography. So you know, there was
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  Speaker 1: one which was in a dark cave so the only
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  Speaker 1: time you saw people was when the gunshot went off,
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  Speaker 1: and just different styles of fighting, which I thought was
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  Speaker 1: really cool.
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  Speaker 2: So but did you have like a professional trainer that
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  Speaker 2: taught you how to do that?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: And so how would you do it? Would you do
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  Speaker 2: it with a real sword? Did you do it? Like?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we had three different kinds of swords. The real
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  Speaker 1: sword like weighs more than me. It was insane. I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't do it with the real sword as much. But
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  Speaker 1: for filming, and this is the magic of the movies.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you have four different weights of it. One
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  Speaker 1: is like the real sword where you need it for
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  Speaker 1: like you know, where it's a close up or the
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  Speaker 1: sword is really really visible. But when you're doing the
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  Speaker 1: big choreography, you have like a lighter sword which is
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  Speaker 1: created by the props department, and then the nothern lighter
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  Speaker 1: one and when you need to flip it, it's the
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  Speaker 1: lightest one. Because I was telling you almost.
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  Speaker 2: All that's good, it's good to know that sucks.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, here I was trying to impress you with
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  Speaker 1: my sword flipping.
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  Speaker 2: It's impressive period you're talking.
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  Speaker 1: About my fencing. But no, it was movie magic.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things that I was thinking when I
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  Speaker 2: was watching it is like, how many takes did you
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  Speaker 2: have to do with this? Because that's got to be
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  Speaker 2: so hard to do because you're swinging this gigantic iron
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  Speaker 2: thing and clashing into other ones, and like, if you
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  Speaker 2: have to do three or four takes this, your arms
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  Speaker 2: are going to be toasted.
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  Speaker 1: Oh we did like ten hours of it every day
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  Speaker 1: for like seven days or something.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have shoulder that No?
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  Speaker 1: Actually I didn't, but I was jacked. My arms never
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  Speaker 1: looked as good now. I mean, I have a four
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  Speaker 1: year old and I lift her a lot, so my
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  Speaker 1: arms are like all right. But during this movie, because
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  Speaker 1: we were just like at it and we both you know,
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  Speaker 1: threw ourselves at it, Carl and I, and it took.
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  Speaker 1: It was a big choreography. On top of this bluff,
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  Speaker 1: we shot on one hundred percent of this movie. At
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  Speaker 1: least ninety percent is definitely on practical sets, real sets.
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  Speaker 1: We did not want to use a lot of VFX, so,
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  Speaker 1: you know, phil Ivey, our production designer. We built the ships,
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  Speaker 1: we built, the house, we built really everything was a
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  Speaker 1: replica of what it would have looked like in the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds in the Cayman Islands. We went and saw it.
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  Speaker 1: It was amazing to be able to do that with
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  Speaker 1: real stuff. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the whole history of piracy is so fascinating,
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  Speaker 2: and one of the things that the movie is about
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  Speaker 2: is this. The Karl Urban character is from. He was
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  Speaker 2: one of the soldiers of the East India Trading Company.
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  Speaker 2: Then I went on a deep dive on the East
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  Speaker 2: India Trading Company. That is crazy when you learned the
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  Speaker 2: history of that. One corporation is one of the first
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  Speaker 2: publicly traded corporations that essentially was in control of India, Pakistan,
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  Speaker 2: and Bangladesh went to war with China over opium and
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  Speaker 2: that's how they took over Hong Kong. You're like, holy shit,
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  Speaker 2: one crazy fucking corporation involved in the slave trade. The
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  Speaker 2: opium just a corporation, publicly traded corporation. People could buy
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  Speaker 2: stock in it, like one of the first ones. And
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  Speaker 2: it just went haywire to the point where it got
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  Speaker 2: so big there was a revolt and then the British
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  Speaker 2: government took over it, nationalized it. But it's the whole
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  Speaker 2: story is insane.
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  Speaker 1: If you think about how much in their minds they
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  Speaker 1: were able to achieve and how much they were able
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  Speaker 1: to destroy in that duration is crazy. If you go down, history.
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  Speaker 2: Changed the course of countries.
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  Speaker 1: Forever, human lives forever forever, like the amount of millillaging
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  Speaker 1: that happened, Yes, millions and millions of lives. And this
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  Speaker 1: movie actually has a really interesting slice of what they
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  Speaker 1: were capable of doing. They utilized pirates in order to
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  Speaker 1: you know, take over new lands right and in their conquests,
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  Speaker 1: and then when piracy was abolished, they you know, and
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  Speaker 1: after them and they wanted to arrest them, and they
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  Speaker 1: vilified the same people that helped them build their entire empire.
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  Speaker 1: So this was really interesting because my character's story, her
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  Speaker 1: parents and her family are indentured servants, which was the
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  Speaker 1: truth of many many people, especially in India, where young
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  Speaker 1: people were you know, told better opportunities, new lands, more money,
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  Speaker 1: come with us and take them off as servants and
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  Speaker 1: then drop them in different parts of the world. In
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  Speaker 1: islands and the Caribbean has a huge Indian community who
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  Speaker 1: history started with just being displaced from their lands and
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  Speaker 1: dropped somewhere else in the world, and then having to
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  Speaker 1: figure out what your future looks like. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: still happens to many many people around the world right now.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought it was really interesting that my character
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  Speaker 1: came from that and her entire identity was erased, taken
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  Speaker 1: from her. She had no idea she was well, so
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  Speaker 1: she had no idea what it meant to have that identity.
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  Speaker 1: And I met so many people actually when I went
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  Speaker 1: to the Caeman, who don't know anything about their family
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  Speaker 1: tree beyond like five generations, or they know where their
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  Speaker 1: family may have come from, from Sri Lanka or from
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  Speaker 1: India or you know, any other nation, but have no
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  Speaker 1: idea what like what it was, where from what village,
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  Speaker 1: like what was your culture? And that ambiguity in a
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  Speaker 1: history of a human being erases a part of you.
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  Speaker 1: It denies you of knowing the depth of your culture
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  Speaker 1: or where you come from or your roots. And I
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  Speaker 1: thought that was really really interesting for my character to
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  Speaker 1: play and then reclaim herself through the journey of the movie.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a fascinating part of human history. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: it's taken place all over the world and for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of cultures, they don't have an understanding of exactly
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  Speaker 2: what happened before they were colonized. Ye, Like, one of
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  Speaker 2: the great examples is Mexico. I went in a long,
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  Speaker 2: deep dive on Mexico recently over the last few months,
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  Speaker 2: because I've had a bunch of people who are historians
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  Speaker 2: who came on the podcast who were just researching these
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  Speaker 2: ancient Inca and Mayan sights and talking to them about it,
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  Speaker 2: and then I went into it, and it's like there
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  Speaker 2: was over a hundred different languages that are just lost
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  Speaker 2: forever in that whole what is now called Mexico. And
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  Speaker 2: that's the reason why everybody over there speaks Spanish and
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  Speaker 2: is Catholic, Like, it's not because that was their language
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  Speaker 2: and that was their religion. They were all conquered absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: I mean by like six hundred guys. That's what's nuts. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: six hundred guys in the fifteen hundreds came over, took over,
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  Speaker 2: you know, what was the Aztec Empire with help of
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  Speaker 2: the people that they were in conflict with, and changed
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  Speaker 2: the course of the entire country. It's so many generations forever,
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  Speaker 2: Like to this day, people in Mexico think they speak
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  Speaker 2: Spanish and they have a Catholic religion. Well that's all
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  Speaker 2: brought over from Spain, like the entire country. They had
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  Speaker 2: wild names too, like Cacaw, thunder, sky god and all
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  Speaker 2: these different like almost like Native American type names. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: they looked like Native Americans. And but if you think
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  Speaker 2: about it, doesn't that make sense?
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  Speaker 1: That makes so much sense. They probably like shared land
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  Speaker 1: and crops.
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  Speaker 2: And like, well there was no region, no borders, no
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  Speaker 2: back then. I mean, what were countries in the fifteen
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  Speaker 2: hundreds in North America? Like what was what? We don't
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  Speaker 2: even know, like what was North America?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think about how young America is technically
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  Speaker 1: super young, like how many years three hundred years, four hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, less less than three hundred years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like you were talking about history in India,
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  Speaker 1: she has been invaded over thousands and thousands and thousands
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  Speaker 1: of years, only invaded. We've never invaded anybody else She's
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  Speaker 1: not at the time, and it was like just came right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the Portuguese, the British, the Moguls, like from back in
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  Speaker 1: time and the history of India. I mean, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a historian and I don't claim to be but I
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  Speaker 1: find it really fascinating. I love culture and especially the
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  Speaker 1: culture of India. Like you will see, my grandmother was
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  Speaker 1: Catholic because she comes she was raised in a part
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  Speaker 1: of India which was colonized and a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: with Kerala, a lot of people were converted into Catholicism,
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  Speaker 1: and she grew up Catholic, and you know, she followed
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  Speaker 1: it for a very long time in her life. India
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  Speaker 1: is like hyper diverse because of how many people have
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  Speaker 1: kind of made it her roots. So when you go
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  Speaker 1: to India, the amount of diversity you will see, the
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  Speaker 1: kind of the range of people that you will meat
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  Speaker 1: is impossible to fathom, like an Indian face does not
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  Speaker 1: look like a particular person, or the amount of cultures,
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  Speaker 1: the languages we have written and spoken languages which are
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  Speaker 1: almost like twenty something or in their thirties, absolutely different alphabet,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely different sound. I can't if I go to another state,
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  Speaker 1: I won't be able to understand what people are saying. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: it's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, how many different languages are spoken there.
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  Speaker 1: About twenty eight to thirty. But there are dialects in
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  Speaker 1: their hundreds. Oh wow, don't even get into the dialects.
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  Speaker 1: I just speak English and HINDI understand a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of Punjabi and Marati. But it's really amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Now, but have you ever been, by the way, No,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't.
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  Speaker 1: Oh Jo, you have to. You would really like you're
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: the kind of guy who likes a deep dive, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you would really lose yourself. I think, Well, I more
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  Speaker 1: amazing just.
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  Speaker 2: To see it for many things, but just to see
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  Speaker 2: that one immense temple that was carved entirely out of stone.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's one of the great mysteries of archaeology.
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  Speaker 1: But there are quite a few if you go especially
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  Speaker 1: south south of India and the caves. If you go
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  Speaker 1: inside the Anderman of Nicobar, like the caves, you'll see
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  Speaker 1: from thousands and tens and thousands of years ago illustrations
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  Speaker 1: that you're like, how did this happen? How could this
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  Speaker 1: temple have been chiseled? Or how could you know these
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  Speaker 1: stones have been moved at that time? Right, It's just
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  Speaker 1: it makes you. It made me very very curious about
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  Speaker 1: like what kind of tools did we have back then?
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of holes in human history, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: for sure. No. Graham Hancock has a great quote. He
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  Speaker 2: says that we are a species with amnesia, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that's accurate. And I think when you find some
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  Speaker 2: of the great archaeological wonders where people just have decided, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they built it this way and then just let it go,
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  Speaker 2: and then other people start looking at it and go,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, how how did they do this? Like
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  Speaker 2: when did they do this? Like what's the historical record
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  Speaker 2: of this? Because this is kind of nuts. It seems
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  Speaker 2: to indicate like a very advanced, sophisticated society.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very advanced civilization. Like one of the oldest civilizations
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  Speaker 1: in the world, along with the Mayans, is the Indus
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  Speaker 1: Valley civilization, which is the north of India.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just.
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  Speaker 1: Remember studying about in school and that's my maximum understanding
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  Speaker 1: of that civilization. But also like having visited the Indus River,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, but I remember like the artifacts that were found,
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  Speaker 1: and like if you do a deep dive into how
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  Speaker 1: that civilization existed and then how it was erased, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, it makes you question, like it's there had
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  Speaker 1: to be some seriously advanced, like scientific understanding that was
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  Speaker 1: eventually lost, as you know, a human evolution happened where
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  Speaker 1: we lose a civilization and then comes back again, but
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  Speaker 1: it just makes you wonder about early humans and how
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  Speaker 1: fascinatingly advanced we would have had to be to do
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  Speaker 1: all of that. Yeah, without the technology and stuff that
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  Speaker 1: we have. I mean, I think.
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  Speaker 2: temple that I'm talking about, Jamie pull Do you know
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: the temple I'm talking about, the one insanely massive one
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: that's built into the side of a mountain. This is it.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: This is crazy.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: This is what I meant then, because the precision.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: First of all, there's no like understanding of where the
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: stone went, like they moved.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Who knows how did you take out all of those
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: tons of rocks?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's so insane. The precision is spec tacular. It's
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: so nuts. When you see like videos of people going
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: through immense absolutely immense and incredibly precise and and just
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: carved out of a solid piece of stone. The whole
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: thing is carved out of the mountain.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Think about how old that is, Like this is all
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: BC before Christ like thousands and thousands of years yeah, BC.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: And the history of India like hence the diversity you
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: see it's it's one of the oldest civilizations in the world.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And then like, how do you explain that? Look at
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: that image, so.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: It says it's twelve what does it say? How old
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: did it say it was? Well, how do they know
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: that twelve hundred years old? See, there's a lot of
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: just estimates based on what was the civilization at the time. Yeah,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and there's no like this is the thing with Peru
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: like soaks se Juaman and a lot of these places
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: be attributed to the Incas. But you see like traditional
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: inc structures on top of these immense stones that are
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: one hundred tons, they're carved and these weird jigsaw patterns
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: is to absorb the energy if there's an earthquake, Like
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: it's weird shit, And it's like, okay, well who did that?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: So like, oh, the Incas did it? Like how how'd
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: they do that? Because all their other structures are smaller
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: stones stacked on top of each other in a way
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: like you could see a person carrying them and cutting them.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Makes sense, But there's a lot of stuff like that temple,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Like explain to me what you used.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: There's no explanation, like how like.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Metal do you just use metal?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And carve that out like that and like just a
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: chisel and human and.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: If you fuck up once, it's over because you're not
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: putting things on top of things like oh this block sucks,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: let's get a new block.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Now your car, you've changed the design. If does a
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: fuck up, like you know what I mean, if you're
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: trying to build like a human form and you chisel
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: off the nose, do turn it into something else? I
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: don't know, Probably otherwise because it's just one piece and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you're right, you're not adding yeah, anything to it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Well, in Egypt, there's indications that they abandoned certain pieces
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: because they cracked. Because when you're dealing with you know, granted,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and there's certain specifically there's a gigantic obelisk that they
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: were carving out that I mean, I think it was
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: like thirteen hundred tons like something bananas like, okay, how
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: are you gonna move this fucking thing? But they got
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: to a certain point where there's a crack in it,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: and so they had to abandon it. And so it's
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: still yeah, still I think that's an It might be
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: an oswan. I'm not sure where it is, but you know.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Like you know, the theories around the Egyptian Pyramids. Obviously,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: like how were those blocks carried up?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: There's no valid theory.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: How zero was it that shape and so precisely geometrically.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Well, it's even more complicated now because there's an Italian
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: scientist that we had on recently called Felipo Boondi am
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I saying it right BEYONDI. He's amazing accent. This guy
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: is fucking incredible. But he's using what is it, radio
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Doppler tomography, So it's it's a type of satellite imagery
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: that uses some technology to get a vision of what's
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: under the ground. And they've used this successfully to show
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: known caverns in the ground and known pyramids, and they
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: even used it in Italy to show that they can
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: look through a one point two kilometer mountain and see
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: underneath it this particle collider and have an exact dimension
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: of the particle collider and see what the outlet. So
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: they use this on the pyramids and they found these
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: immense structures under the pyramids that go over a kilometer
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: into the ground with massive these these huge twenty twenty
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: meter diameter columns that have these huge circular coils wrapped
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: around them. No one knows what the hell they're looking at,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: but they're in very precise positions. They've done over two
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: hundred scans of these things. They don't know what they are,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: they don't know what's the purpose of all this, who
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: made this? So if this turns out to be accurate,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and they're very confident that it's accurate, and they're starting
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: to look into it deeper and they're trying to figure
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: out how to get down in there and explore with
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: drones or something, then the whole thing gets thrown into
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: question because it's preposterous enough that you have someone who's
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: able to cut in place two million, three hundred thousand
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: stones that's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east, and west.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Some of them weigh as much as eighty tons tons.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: They come from five hundred miles away through the mountains,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: no roads, Like, how'd you do it? That's crazy?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: If there's structures underneath that that go a kilometer into
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the ground, and like there's a giant, like huge square
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: at the bottom, they don't know what it is, but
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: these are structures therese are, not like something that is
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: just a naturally occurring stone.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was man made and show her an image
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: It's fucking cool. So these are these columns. This is
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: like what the images are shown in and the three
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: dimensional replication of what they think is. That's what they
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: think it looks like underneath there. They have no idea
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: what these things are. What there's also is that Hawara
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: that has that underground labyrinth. They've they've also found this.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Herodotus wrote about these labyrinths. There's a great channel on
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: YouTube called Uncharted X by this guy Ben van Kirkwick
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: who's been on the podcast before. He's great, and they've
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: used radio well, they used ground penetrating radar in that location.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: They found that these immense labyrinths are real. They're they're
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: they're huge. Herodotus said, it's greater than Giza, and it's underground.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: And in the center of one of these atriums there
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: is a forty meter metallic object that shaped like a
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: tic tac. It's in the center of this. Yes, so
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: there's a bunch of shit that they don't they can't
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: explain down there where you're like, okay, what is this.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: They also know that a lot of these civilizations, like
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: later versions of it, took from some of the older
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: sites and started building new things or built on top
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: of them, like very disrespectfully. But nobody had an idea
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: of like the importance of history back then. You're just
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: trying to stay alive. And so they found all these stones. They'll,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: let's use these stones.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: And so it's totally in India, like when we were colonized.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: You hear stories of you know, the British officers telling
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: like little kids that hey, I'll give you two pounds,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: go and get the gold statue from this temple or whatever,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: and you don't have comprehension of what the value of
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: historical things were. That there was so much that was
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: taken from India in terms of wealth and history and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: historical artifacts. And the Coh diamond which is still on
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the Queen's crown, which came from India, and like so
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: many things.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Which England, she has a diamond on her crown.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: That diamond, h I and give it back.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: You.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: We've been asking for it for a minute.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: We have all the whole history of England and India's
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: nuts too. That's the diamond. WHOA how big is that
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: the queen? How big is that thing?
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: How big would that be?
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: WHOA what's that worth? What's a hundred Well, besides the
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: historical value of it, which is probably priceless, what is
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: one hundred and five carrots worth? That's nuts?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying. That royalty in
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: India had so much jewelry and wealth and stuff that
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: was pillaged and just taken.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Well, the history of India is fascinating. Like in the
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Vedic texts and the descriptions of vimanas. Have you ever
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: read any of that stuff?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yea, is not extensively, but clearly you have the Vimanas.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: It's like, what are you talking about? You're talking about
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: flying crafts?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what do you That's the thing you go
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: if you do a deep dive into the mythology of
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: India and the stories that come from there. The kind
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: of technology that has been mentioned in these ancient texts
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: like the Vimanas. You're saying you have flying objects, you
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: have spears with some sort of energy, you have bows
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: and arrows with some sort of energy that travels beyond
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: time and light. And there's so much of all of
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: this stuff reference back then which maybe humans thought was magic,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: but was some form of ancient technology. Like who's to say,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: but We do definitely believe in Indian mythology. If you
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: go back into Hinduism and the incredible stories that exist,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Like I love to think about where the origin, like
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: where it must have come from, but there's so many fascinating,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: fascinating stories from then.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I have an opinion that most people that were
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: writing things down back then were trying to document a truth.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think they were trying to make.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Up to No. I think it was definitely their truth.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: From our perspective, now we have to be like, how
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: do you break down the truth of you know that
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: there was this light that arrived from miles and miles
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: away and it felt like I don't know, was it
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a bomb? Like what was it? What was it of
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: that time? So it's cool to kind of try and
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: interpret that. I mean, I believe the mysticism and the
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: magic of ancient humans and you know, the beginning of time.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: There's no way to explain what and how that was.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: You know, we have the information we do from religious
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: texts and historians of the past, but it's just really
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: fascinating to think about how resilient and human beings have
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: been and how evolutions have had the same problems over time,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: but we kind of just navigated through different worlds, you know.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think it's hard for us to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: grasp timelines and then.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: When possible, think about like how short a human lifespan
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: used to be to where it is now. How the
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: base our stories have to come from, like people telling
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: people stories or documenting them right.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Right, and those stories, like when you're talking about certain
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: passages in the Bible or certain passages in any religious text,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of those were stories that were just handed
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: down for generations and generations before anybody wrote anything. Yeah,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: so it's like what were they trying to remember, Like
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: when they're talking about flying vimanas, like what were they
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: talking about? Like what did they experience? And how long
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: ago was it? Because I don't think we have a
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: real understanding of how long ago it is.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, seventeen thousand BC is where or around that
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: time that many years ago is what they say.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: But again that makes sense, well, that makes sense if
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: you take into account.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: The twenty thousand BC.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: There's a guy named Randall Carlson who's been in my
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: podcast a few times, and he's a really fascinating guy,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: and he's an expert in asteroid collisions with Earth. Wow,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: he's an expert in all the different times that Earth
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: has been slammed by comets and meteors.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: And is that how the dinosaurs?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Were so it did? It was an asteroid?
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they believe so it was in Yukaton. That one,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: that's the sixty five billion years ago one, but there's
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: other ones that are before that, before that, yeah, and
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: then there's other ones that are after that. One of
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the more interesting ones, it's called the younger Driest impact theory,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: and that one's from about eleven eight hundred years ago.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: And then again they think somewhere in the ten thousand
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: years that happened. So there's a comet storm that we
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: pass by. I think it's every June in November, forget
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: what those the time is, but this is like also
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: aligns with do you know about the Tunguska event? Have
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: you ever heard of that? In the early nineteen hundreds,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: a meteor exploded in the sky above Russia and devastated
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: like a million acres of land. And it was during
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the same time period, and they realized, like, there's this
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: comet storm that we passed through. Like when you see
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: meteor showers during the sky. It's because we're passing through
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: these areas of our solar system that have these comets.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: This is the Tunguska event. So it just and to
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: this day that area has trees on it.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it just flattened everything and it didn't even
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: impact the ground. It blew up in the sky above it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: And this was not even a big one.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: So how does like nothing grow again? Like what It's
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: a good question. What is that asteroid made of that
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: you can like Earth has been able to come back
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: from so much.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good questions. Maybe it's just not enough time.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean one hundred and seventeen years maybe.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Some maybe eventually means like millennia.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: But it probably just blew the roots off of everything.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: It blew everything into smithereens. And it probably had some
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: kind of chemical effect too, because it's a physical object.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it was made out of, but
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: you know, some of them are made out of iron,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: some of them are made out of nickel, like that
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: big one that they saw three I atlas that passed through. Yeah,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: that was a weird one because they're like, this is
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: a nickel alloy that is as big as the size
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: of Manhattan. The only way we have it on Earth
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: is in gustrial manufacturing of an alloy. But this thing
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: in another planet, somewhere else, millions and millions and millions
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: of years ago, was formed under whatever weird circumstances and
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: conditions their planet has.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: But you, I mean, I want to know your thoughts
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: on this, But you definitely don't think we're like the
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: only species existing in the universe.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Right, I don't think that's possible.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: It's human arrogance if we think we do.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems silly. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. There's
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: just too many planets. It's a silly thing to think.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: And they've found evidence of life on Mars. So they've
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: found evidence of some sort of bacterial life on Mars,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: like the traces of bacterial life. And that's you know right.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: There, That's what I'm saying. Maybe it's just within our
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Milky Way that we I mean, we haven't even been
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: able to travel outside of that yet, you know, to
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: get information, but it has there has to be other
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: species that exist, and other like intelligence and technology.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Do you know the actor Terrence Howard, I mean, no,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: of him. Fascinating guy, like a little kookie, but super smart,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: like super smart. He's got some wild ideas. One of
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: his ideas I was like, wait, what he thinks that
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: life occurs when planets get a certain distance from their sun,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: and then over time they get too far out and
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: then life doesn't exist in those planets anymore. But when
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: they're in this goldilog zone like Earth is for a
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: long period of time and relative to our life, life exists,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: and then intelligent life emerges and figures out, hey, we
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: got to get out of here eventually because this is
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: not going to sustain us, and then it propagates the world,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: or the universe rather. And he thinks that there's a
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: thing that happens, and he calls it peopling. He thinks
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: that when a planet gets far further enough from the
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Sun that it eventually people's because it eventually reaches the
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: right conditions where life emerges and evolution takes place, and
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: natural selection and random mutation, all these things converge and
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: eventually you get an intelligent creature that knows how to
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: manipulate its environment.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Is there an a proof of planets like moving away
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: from their sun?
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Well, they all do slowly, very slowly.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: So even our solar system, we're all like slowly.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that also the sun is eventually going to
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: burn out and explode and then we're fucked. But that's
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: a long time from now, but eventually.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Enough shit, yeah to be worried.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Nothing's permanent, like suns are not. And we we're lucky
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: we have a slow burned son, So we have a
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: relatively small son. And it's uh, there's a lot of
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: weird speculation that it's part of a binary solar system too,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: that there might have been another version of our son
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: that burned out that's like way out there, way out
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: in space, like way past Pluto, way out there. It's possible.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's a lot of wacky theories as
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: to why there seems to be some large object that's
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: outside of our vision that's way way past Pluto. So
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: there's a thing called the Kuiper Belt that soundside of Pluto,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: and that's part of what Pluto is, which is why
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: they decided plane anymore. But they think there's something else
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: out there that's a large they call it Planet X.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: They think there's it's a lot of like weird speculation
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: whether or not it's real. But they think there might
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: be a large body larger than Earth, large like Jupiter
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: size or something like way out there, and it might
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: be a sun. It might be a.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Burnt out like a burnt out Sun that was crazy insane.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Well Earth alone, like Earth, the reason why we have
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: the moon supposedly is because Earth was hit by another planet.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: There's Earth, so was the moon part of the Earth.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: The Moon was like a big chunk of that collision
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: that burst off and then became the moon. So there's Earth.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: One. Does that happen with all the planets, like, because
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: all the planets that have their own moons are explosions.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe this is a question, good question. I mean, maybe
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: some of them enormous asteroids that got caught in the gravity.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: And yeah, maybe maybe it's volcanic activity. I don't know.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of it's asteroid impacts too. They
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: knock off giant chunks and those chunks start orbiting that planet.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: So does that mean that all of those planets do
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: have like a gravitational poll as well?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah there are Yeah, how strong.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Would that gravitational poll be?
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It depends on the mass of the planet.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Like Jupiter, for example, Jupiter is.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: What protects us. The reason why we don't get hit
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: and a lot is because Jupiter is so big. So
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Jupiter has so much mass and so much gravity that
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: it's like our big brother that like protects us.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Thanks Jupiter for real.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: That's great. And they they actually observed an impact on Jupiter.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I want to say it was in the nineteen eighties
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: where an enormous asteroid slammed into Jupiter and created a
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Earth sized explosion and explosions separated. No, it just got
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: absorbed it. Jupiter just absorbed it. But they watched it
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: in real time and it was a way bigger explosion
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: than they thought it was going to be. Like, oh,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: so then they have to like recalculate, like, oh, how
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: big was that thing? And it made a literal impact
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: as large as the Earth. Oh my god. Yeah, Well
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: that's the Solar system is just a fucking shooting gallery.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Which brings us back, Which brings us back to this
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: younger drives impact theory, which is one of the predominant
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: theories as to why ancient super advanced civilizations completely disappeared.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: There's no evidence of them, and there's a lot of
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: physical evidence when they do core samples of the Earth.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: They find there's a lot of iridium, which is very
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: common in space but very rare on Earth, which indicates
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: some sort of an impact. And then they also find
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: micro diamonds, these nuclear diamonds. I think they call it trinotite.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And they first deserved this when they did the trinity explosion.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: So the nuclear explosion created these micro diamonds on the ground,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: just some massive impact and explosion heat and energy. Well,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: they find those littered all throughout the world in this
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: same core sample timeline of like eleven hundred years, so
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: they think we were just bombarded. So a lot of
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: these things, like these temples in India, perhaps the pyramids,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: some structures that were stone probably just survived.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: No, for sure, there's so much that has survived. I
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: think from like a timeline we can't even explain. I mean,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: in India we see so much of it. So many
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: of our texts, the Vedas are you know, the oldest
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: texts in the world. And to be able to like
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: read stories which now maybe we imagine our stories, but
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: are probably reality of a civilization gone by. Yes, is
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: just crazy to think about.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I think more likely than not. Yeah, And I think
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: more and more more over time, people are opening up
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: to this possibility, Like they recently just found written language
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: that is twenty eight thousand years old, and that they
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: thought that written human written language was created about six
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: thousand years ago, and they found evidently about this, So
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: they're like, Okay, that's a giant difference.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: But how can we also know what happened in so
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: many parts of the Earth when anyway, the Earth was
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: moving right, like the continents, what it looks like right
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: now is not what it probably looked like twenty thousand
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: years ago, Like it's been slowly moving. I feel like,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: how are we supposed to know, like someone who writes
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: a book, say in Mexico, like what happened then in Australia,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: or what happened what was the history in like India?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Right, especially fifteen You know that.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Many hundreds sixteen years ago when.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: They were writing about stuff back then, they were just
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: making sit up.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: So the shit that we read.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Human may have used these mysterious symbols to code information
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: tens of thousands of years before the first writing systems
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: forty thousand year old artifacts. Yeah, so it's some kind
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: of way of documenting things, communicating. You know, if these
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: people like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson are correct, there
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: was some sort of a very very advanced civilization pre
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: eight hundred years ago. And this also coincides with the
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: end of the ice Age. It coincides with all of
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: the ice caps over North America disappearing, like North America
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: was covered, like three quarters of North America was covered
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: with a mile high sheet of ice went away like that.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: That's why the Great Lakes exist. The Great Lakes are
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: just that ice melting mounted and then whatever was left
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: just ran through the country. And you can see the
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: physical evidence of it when they show satellite images. It
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: looks like enormous amounts of water just destroyed the landscape
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: and completely carved it and changed it.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: What do you think happened with and I wonder if
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: you have you have so much extensive knowledge, with the
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: amazing guests that you have on the show, how did
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: we go from Neanderthal or early Man to this technology
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: driven like really smart, intelligent, like what happened in history
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: and the evolution of human beings that we were able
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: to make that switch so quick.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: It's a real good question.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of you know, I mean, I've heard theories,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: but I want to know yours.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: If I didn't worry at all about being ridiculous, and
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I don't, I would you.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Don't there was no need for that precursor.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: But if I didn't worry about it, I would say
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: something helped us.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: That's what I think.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think it makes sense
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: that that didn't take place.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy to think about how that happened and
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: how quickly it happened.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's a lot of like weird stuff with us. Also,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: all those other primes are still around, except the early
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: man ones. You know, That's what's weird. It's like, why
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: aren't you know? How come chimpanzees are kind of the same?
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: How come all these other primates are kind of the same,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and yet we need clothes to.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: St a mammoth to an elephant? You know what I mean?
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Still similar?
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: How do we have like planes? And why do we
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: like things? And how could we make cups?
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: And yeah, why do we change our environment that way?
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Why do we have this insatiable desire to innovate? Insatiable?
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Like we that's the number one thing that would be changing,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: constantly making new and better things, never satisfied with anything new.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Everything has to be better. No matter how good your
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: car is, what's the next year's model going to? Yeah,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: no matter what your phone does, I want better pictures, bitch, Like,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: no matter what this is, always like we want something
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: to be better all the time, and it's what we had.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: But that I think it's built into us, and I
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: think that is a part of this process of becoming
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: a human being, and I think it's leading us to
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: develop AI. That's what I really think. But I think
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: we most likely something intervened. Now, there's a lot of
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: people that think the rational people think that it was
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: the invention of fire and the cooking of food that
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: gave us better access to nutrition and protein, and then
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: innovating in order to hunt allowed the brain.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: But it was such an accelerated period of time. It
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: went like so quickly the.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Human brain size doubled over a period of two million years,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: which is the greatest mystery in the entire fossil record.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, what made that happen?
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: We don't know. But in religious texts, anti religious texts,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: there's many stories of human beings breeding with something from
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: somewhere else. That's a part of a yes, yes.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Right, without trying to sound ridiculous, hyper.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Intelligent life form. But if you think about it, if a.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Show about that, And I was like, that makes sense.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: What was the show you're watching?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Do you remember Ancient da Aliens?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: That show's the best.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: It's so silly, it's amazing. And I like two in
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: the morning.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my friend Action Bronson, he used to
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: do a show. He doesn't do that show anymore, does he.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: They would get super baked and watch Ancient Aliens.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: It'd be like, bro, Ancient Aliens is rad I love
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: that show in the morning.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Oh it's fun. It's very fun. I think they're right
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: about some of those things. I think there's something to it.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, that is one of the oldest Biblical text
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: that wasn't included in the canon that is the Bible
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: is the Book of Enoch and uh. I had Anna
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Paulina Luna on the podcast and she was she brought
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: that up, and I was like, she was like, you
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: really should read that. So I read it and you
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: start reading, like, wait, what the hell are they talking about?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: The watchers came down from the sky to mate with
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: humans and created the nepheline, a race of giants that
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: destroyed the earth. And like, what are you talking about,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Like what is this? This is in the Bible, and
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: it would have been in the Bible if it not
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: for a few rabbis that decided this doesn't jive with
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: the Torah, and so they say, we got to get
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: that out of there, and that's why it's not taught
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: along with the Book of Ezekiel and all these other
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: things that are in the Old Testament.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Wow versus like in Hindu mythology also, you know, we
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: read about a time where God, human, and demon existed
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: at the same time and pro created and like created
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: different realms and you know, life and stories and you know,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: so it's like when you think about stories like that,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: stories beliefs you know from around the world that have
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: similar sort of color. Yeah, it's almost like trying to
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: connect the dots of what must have happened at that time.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: You know, around the world, it's probably the same thing,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: you know, some sort of incredible technology.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and some and a lot of them have these
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: stories of something of some kind of higher nature, higher power,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: higher technology intervening in the lives of human beings and
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: even manipulating the process.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but isn't that what I think was referred to
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: as the gods? Yeah, and like if you think about
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: the Roman you know, or Egyptian like gods. I don't
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: want to speak about culture, but I can't even say
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: about ours, but that power that we read about, you
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: know that like if you if you go into it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I'm a big believer. So I think that, you know,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: was that like a real experience, experience that happened to
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: a human.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Being at that time, a real experience with someone that
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: had a limited vocabulary, a limited amount of knowledge, and
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: a limited ability to write things down. And so they
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: probably told these stories from whatever words they could use
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: to describe what this was like. If you were living
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: thirty thousand years ago, forty thousand years ago and a
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: UFO landed, a giant metallic disc landed, and little tiny
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: creatures came out and talked to you telepathically. You don't
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: have a written language, you don't eat your cultures hunter gatherers, like, how.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Do you have that story?
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: How do you tell that story? And what are the
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: people that you told that story to going to tell
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: their children and their grandchildren for many, many, many many
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: generations before anybody figures out how to write things down totally.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: But a now, the perspective on this which people have
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: is is that our pragmatic, practical twenty twenty six human
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: trying to explain something that was magical and did exist
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: at a time that we don't have an explanation for.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, for sure.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Like there's the others of that with people that you know,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: you hear so many stories of visitations from the gods
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: back then, you know, to humans and the divinity of
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: at least in my country for sure, of different avtars
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: of gods coming down to Earth to save humankind and
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: to help in human salvation and to help them against evil.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: So when you hear of those stories, like the practical
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: side of me like are those human stories and who
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: is the power that they were seeing at that time?
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: And then there's a side of you which is like
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: there's so much we can't explain and sometimes have to
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: like leave it to inexplicable magic of the universe. Like
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I'm someone who loves science, but I also am a
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: believer of that just can't explain everything, well.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Even science itself, Like hardcore materialists science totally. If you're
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: trying to explain the Big Bang, good fucking luck, Good
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: fucking luck making sense out of something smaller than the
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: head of a pin that became everything that's in the universe.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, explain that to me, help me out.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's all theoretical and speculative and that no
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: one really knows. And then there's this concept of what
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: took place before the Big Bang. And then there's Sir
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Roger Penrose's version of it, which is there's been many
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: versions of the Big Bang expansion then contraction, and that
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: it's not the beginning, that it's a part of an
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: endless cycle.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: That's what I've I mean, I've heard from in India
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: as well, the believer belief that that was not kind
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: of the beginning. There's been many beginnings and many ends
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: that have no idea of.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: That makes more sense to me. It makes more sense
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: because I think the problem with a beginning, we're like, well,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: what was here originally? We always want to think of
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: things in terms of our own biological limitations. We have
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: a birth and we have a death, so we think
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: that the.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Universe, probably everything has a limitation.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: But why it's the time where.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: It's time's limitation. It's existed from who knows what.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Right, it's constant, it's never not been here. Yeah, So
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: the idea that there was nothing before the universe, well,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: that doesn't even make sense.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: It's funny. When I was doing research for The Bluff
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: this movie, I went to the Cayman Islands for a
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: couple of days to get an understanding of the history
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: of the islands. And the Caribbean is so interesting, especially
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Caman because it's it's in the middle of these trading
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: routes between Hondura's Cuba Mexico, so ships when trading started
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: is when the Caman was discovered, the islands were discovered.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: So when I went down there, I went to the
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: museum and they said, yeah, it was like the seventeen
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: hundreds or eighteen hundreds when the first settlers came, and
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: you know, it started with family or like people trying
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: to run away, or pirates or you know, just people
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: making pit stops before going to another another country. And
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: they said that that was the first time that there
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: was any history of the island, And I was like,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: how is that possible that only when like settlers found
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: that and now I mean camean islands, came in islands, right,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: But how like, if you think about there's so many
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: places in the world where people and humans have existed
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: way before we even have an understanding of or are
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: willing to acknowledge, you know, in many pressures it's different.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: But well, we just lost the history of it. That's
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: possible too.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: That's what my argument was. I was like, it's you know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: like we have to have lost the history of what
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: happened prior.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: There's an entire culture from South America that we don't
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: know who they were, the Omecs that we have some
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: giant carved heads, and we're like, oh, who did that?
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: They think it that come from the thousands and thousands
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: of years old? They look African. It's very strange if
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: you're seeing, oh, look like this that's an Omecha, Like
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: how nuts is that? Like that's a replica of these
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: enormous heads that are in I think is it Peru
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Luke Caverns, who's been on the podcast, who's a really
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: fascinating guy who does a lot of research down there.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: He has been there and documented and he's like, they
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: don't know who these people were, they don't know what
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: their language was. They don't even know what they look
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: like except for these images, and they don't even know
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: if these images are supposed to be of them, Like
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: these statues they just found. See if you can find
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: some of these heads so you can see, like the
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: the scale. Crazy. So they left these enormous stone heads
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: they attributed to this one civilization that they call the Omes.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: They just made a name up, but they don't know
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: who the hell these people were and look at their
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: faces like that's crazy.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: That's huge. Yeah, And do you know how old these
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: might be?
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: They don't really know, but I think that how many
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: thousands of years old? Do they think they are? Jamie
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: crazy stuff? Yeah, so at least nine hundred BC. But
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: you know what does that mean? Yeah, that's a guess.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: That's a guess because.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: They don't know anytime a long time ago.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Well even the Aztecs. Do you know, the Aztecs didn't
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: build those temples. They found them.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: The Aztecs found that they the temple.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: They found them from an unknown previous civilization. Oh my god. Yeah,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: they call those temples the place where the gods were born. Yeah,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: that's what they called them. And they just kind of
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: like cleaned it up, which kind of makes sense because
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: you think of like how barbaric the Aztecs were, Like
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: they did some horrific shit, Like we were talking about
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: one of the temples, I think it was the No
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: chip Lan. When they consecrated it, they killed between twenty
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: and eighty thousand people. They sacrificed them in a period
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: of four days. And so this is like right when
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: the Spanish we're first visiting Mexico thinking about taking over
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: and this this idea, as a Spanish chronicler said, it
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: was the fucking craziest thing. They killed eighty thousand people,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: he said, over a period of four days, just cut
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: their hearts out and threw their bodies down the stairs
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  Speaker 2: so these are the people that.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you think about like how country were, like conquests happen,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: and like, you know, we're living in the history of
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: so many people's blood and.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Sacrifices and violence. It's unfathomable amount of violence.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: So capable of that kind of like a violence. Having
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: done a really violent movie right now.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Because chimps, because we're mostly chimp and I think if
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: you pay attention to chimps like you behavior simp Nation
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: on Netflix.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: I haven't fastic fantastic, It's just it's spectacular because it
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: is a rare, very rare situation where this one particular.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Group of chimpanzees, they were embedded with these scientists for
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: twenty years. So the scientists had very specific rules. Don't
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: get within twenty yards of them, don't make eye contact
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: with them, don't have any food with you, okay, and
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: don't don't interfere. And they're totally accustomed to having people
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: around them, so they behave totally naturally, Yeah, and so
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: they wage war. They have all these like crazy social
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: dynamics used to these humans exactly, and when you watch it,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, they are a lot like us.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: They are a lot like us, just like very primitive,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: no language, but ultraviolent. Chimps are ultra violent. I mean
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: that one of their favorite foods, this guy was telling
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: me was monkeys. They just love eating monkeys. He goes.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: We saw them kill so many monkeys we couldn't even
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: document it, he goes, because if it would just be
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: like every day was like a monkey hunt, they would
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: tear these monkeys apart and eat them alive. It's a
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: horrific That's that's our ancestors. So what we are is
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: a combination, like if.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: You can, well, that explains it.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this explains it. We're a combination of some higher
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: intelligence that into bread with a savage primate that's curious
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: and created this weird hybrid, this weird thing.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: So that's what told me, and I believe I think
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: they're right.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: They're right about that. Have you ever seen Chariots of
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: the Gods. That's the original one, Eric von Danakin, that
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: was in like the nineteen seventies. It was a movie
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: like a feature movie.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember the movie, but I don't remember.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Any Yeah, I had lunch with him once, got a
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: chance to question him about stuff. He's a like a
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: true believer, like a true believer believe well, he believe
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: that everything is from aliens, that aliens came down and
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: aliens taught people how to do things, and aliens built
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: all these things. And I'm more in line of they
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: intervened and created what we think of now as humans.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: And then humans figured out a different path of technology
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: than we're on today, that we are on the path
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: of internal combustion, engines, electronics, electricity, And they were probably
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: on some different path of technology, but as far down
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: the path, if not more. And I think they probably
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: had figured out some things that we have yet to
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: figure out, include like the trans the transferring, and the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: moving and shipping of enormous stone blocks without heavy machinery.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Like we don't know what they were dimation what how
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: do they cut them? Like? What do they what do they?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: What if those structures that Felipo Beyondi describes under if
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: that's real? Like what was the pyramid then? And machine?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how did they do? Like first they created the structure,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: like imagine the foundation and the design that went into it.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Half a mile deep into the earth, crazy, like what
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: is that? What are you doing?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Because I'm saying I don't know if I like, I
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: just know that we can't explain that quick evolution of
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: humans from neanderthal.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: To we can't and all highly intelligent. Yes, we can't. Yeah,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: I mean there's just a lot of people saying, well,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: we haven't filled in the gaps yet. Yeah, we don't
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: really know. But the acceleration of the evolution so spectacular,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: like vegans are hilarious. They attributed to people eating tubers.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: I had a conversation with the guys like, we're thinking
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: it's probably tubers like roots, you mean, like bears eat.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Shut the fuck up. That is the dumbest exploit that
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: didn't make any sense. Are you really congratulations?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I just had for breakfast. I had risk it. I
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm here in Austin for two hours.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to have barbecue if you come here. Yeah.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: I just think that whatever happened, we don't know, And
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: I would not rule out intervention, and I wouldn't think
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: that an intelligent species from somewhere else if they did
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: find these very curious primates that may already be working
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: with sticks and rocks and stuff like that that they
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: wouldn't intervene because we do it. We're doing it right now.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: We're doing it right now. With if we went to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: a planet somewhere and we found some fucking frogs or
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: some weird animals but nothing big, we might drop a
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: deer off in there and see what happens. You know,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: we went bring some birds in.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Look, you would we would intervene.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: They're doing genetic manipulation of animals right now to bring
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: back extinct life. That's how they brought back the the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: dire wolf. This company called Colossal Colossal buy worse they
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: I saw it, I touched it. I went, yes, I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: went to the place where they're holding these wolves and
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: I got to me and my daughter got to cuddle
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: with a baby dire wolf. They had two semi adults
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: at the time. I think they were like eight or
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: nine months.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: An extinct since when ten thousand years stop.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: It, yeah, somewhere in the range of that, I mean, yeah,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: when did dire wolves go extinct? I think they're part
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: of the megafauna that went extinct during the impact, because
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: sixty five percent of all megafauna on Earth, and particularly
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: in North America went extinct around the same time. Will mammoths?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Do you know why around the same time. There's a
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: lot of something that happened.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: The rational people, not me, but the rational people think
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: it was the berserker theory, which means that human beings
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: killed so many mammoths that we wiped them out to extinction.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: But this was with atal atoms, Like it doesn't make
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: total sense. It's like, how did you get there's not
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: even that many people, How'd you do that? And then
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: there's also stuff like the American lion, which was bigger
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: than the African lion had? How do we kill that
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: off with a fucking stick? Like, shut the fuck up?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Something that something had to have happened.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Well, mass grave sites of mammoths where there's like hundreds
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: of them dead all in one place that seemed to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: have died at the same time. Not only that some
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: of them have broken legs. It seems to impact some
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: It seems.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: To like some like asteroid or some something that made
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: that kind of impact immediately.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: But sixty of all North American megafauna died at the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: same time. Yeah, within the time period, and they think
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: that the younger Dry's impact theory. People think like this
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: is not a coincidence that there's coincides with the end
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: of the ice Age and also coincides with where the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: core samples are. Yeah, and also the coincides with the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: fact that these animals were all here at one point
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: in time. They're all got wiped out except a very few.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: There's only a few left. Like there's the prong horned antelope,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: which is a really weird one. It's this prehistoric antelope
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: that lives in North America and it's different than every
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: other animal here because it's evolved to get away from
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: cheetahs because we used to have cheetahs in North America.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: So it can run like fifty five fucking books. I've
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: seen them in real life. They're really weird looking. They
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: look prehistoric, but can they fly. That's what it looks like.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: See if you can get a look at its face
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: when you see it head on, they're so strange, like
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: their eyeballs are on the sides of their heads because
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: something was coming at them, like you know, fifty five
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: five miles an hour at full clip, and so they're
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: really really alert and they have incredible vision. Wow, And
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: that's a leftover animal that's a leftover animal from a
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: time where they were being preyed upon by something that
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't exist anymore, and that's something was wiped out along
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: with the American lion. A bigger lion than the African
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: lion lived right here.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Huge, that's crazy. I was filming in Africa recently, in Kenya,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: and we for this Indian movie I'm doing Calvary, and
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: we shot with wildebeests and like as in like in
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: the middle of them. I was me and microactive Agha
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: in the middle of these wilder beasts that were all
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: around us while they were migrating. It's like the coolest
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. But when you see their faces
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: and for how many years versions of them have existed,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: you know, you feel the gravity when you see these
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: animals in the wild. Yeah, it's crazy. It's so much
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: different than a zoo, right, oh, completely.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Because you're like, oh, they've always been here like this, Yeah,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: this is their home, this is what they do.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: We're in it. You feel a sense of like stay
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: in your jeep.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I think we're numb to it because we watch
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: it on film and so that we get sort of
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: desensitized and normalized to this idea of wildlife. Oh there's
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: the lion sneaking up on the wildebeest. How cool. Yeah,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: but when you're there and you see a line and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: you see a will to be like, this is fucking crazy.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: This is all day long, every day, these life forms
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: competing to try to existence.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: They survive.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: That's it's like weird balance where all of them.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: It still exists. Yeah, they can. There'll be wildebeest right there,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: and there'll be a line right here who's eaten. So
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: they're hanging out together. The wilde bees snows that he's eaten,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: he's not coming after us. And they exist. But at
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: the same time they're you know, during hunting season, you
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: see the hunt happen and I so a hunt happened,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: And that's that's crazy that that's their life.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with their face. They kill things with their face.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Like literally, there's a really extraordinary island in Africa where
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: the river changed courses and it left this one pack
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: of lions on this one island that only has water
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: buffalo on it, and so these lions became enormous and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: the female lions are as big as male lions everywhere else,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: and the male lions are way bigger than they are
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: anywhere else. I think there's the documentaries. I think it's
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: called Relentless Enemies, but it's so because they look like
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: these Jack Bodybuilder lions.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Water buffaloes are huge. And I had one staring at
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: me like we were in Kenya. I'm like the video
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: of Religiosity were filming and it's far away, but it
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: just turned his head and just looked at me and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: then just kept looking at me. And I swear I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: had to like get up and get out of its
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: view because it just kept staring. I was like, it's
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: coming at me.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: They will at you, Yeah, for sure. They kill people.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: The rangers told us, They're like, I think he's engaged
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: with you. Maybe maybe get out of here, get into
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: your car.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's that poor lady from who she was a
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: video editor on the Game of Thrones and she went
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: to do a safari there and it pulled one one
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: of the lions pulled her out of her car, out
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: of her car. Yeah, she rolled the window down, or
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: someone rolled the window down, and a female lion just
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: snatched her out of the car and killed her.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to listen to your rangers. Yeah, when
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: you're in these situations exactly.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I main think she wanted a better picture or something.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: That's the shit that gets people into trouble. Oh yeah,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Like there was this one of our rangers was telling
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: us a story that they have. We were in Masaimara
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: and they were like, they have open jeeps and you know,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: you have food that they keep really hidden so that
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: the animals can't smell it under your seats and stuff.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: And he was telling a story about this influenza. He's
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: driving and you know, there's a pack of lions, lions
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: just eaten, so he's sleeping and this influenza who puts
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: his hand outside to try and touch the lion's head
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: and got it on video and survived to tell the story,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: and then he was banned and the ranger was like
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: fired from his job, and all of that happened.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: But for the image, idiot, all for the gram.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: My gosh, that was crazy.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't want anything bad
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: to happen to anybody, but when someone does something like
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: that and does get killed, it's probably better educationally for
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: the human race.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: But is it, though? Are are we really learning from
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: other people and their examples.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Some people aren't learning.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Shit, nobody's learning. We're just trying to put the best
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: versions of ourselves on the ground. Like that's what the Yeah,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: that's what's happening right now, whether it's true or not.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But are we learning? Yeah, it's a good question.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think we are also
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: so desensitized to there's so much information that comes your
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: way and misinformation. Now we're being able to discern what's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: real and what's not. Now that's hard as well, Oh totally.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: And then if you do watch something and you're like,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to implement in my life, we do it
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: for a very short duration. Very few of us follow
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: through with that, right, Like you're watching a reel or
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: somebody says something and you're like, that's really cool. Are
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: we going to pull on that thread and follow through
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: and do something about it or learn from it? I
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like we've lost a lot of
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: that space where we had the time or the desire
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: to want to, you know, fulfill ourselves versus just that
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: with so much coming at you.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: You have think collectively as a society. I think we
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: learn and then we forget, and then we have to
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: relearn again.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's that's the attention span now where
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I remember when I was growing up, like
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: just having the languid of time right in a very
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: different way. And this is like say, thirty years ago,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: thirty thirty five years ago of you know, reading a book, music, playing,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: hanging out with your parents or your friends without being rushed,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: just rushed. You know, I don't remember feeling as rushed
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: as I do now in the last twenty years when
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: I was growing up, like there was time for stuff.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, certainly the Internet has accelerated that, you know,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: and certainly people's attention spans are at least pulled in
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: the direction of short attention span content. But at the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: same time, podcasts have emerged, which is interesting.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting, Like I was talking about this to
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: a friend of mine, Like people who have no time
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: or interest in wanting to commit to like say a
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: movie or some will watch or listen to like a
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: podcast for yeah, two or three hours. And for someone
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: like me, who you know, like I've been an active
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: for most of my life, my interface with people would
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: be you know, an interview, say, for example, people who
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: knew me or audiences that wanted to know about me
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: would be an interview where you know, the highlights are
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: really what you read, the clickbait lines are really what
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: you read, and you form a relationship with whoever this
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: public person is based on those few lines versus this
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: format where you're just chatting for a few hours and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: you have the ability to really be yourself and be
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: seen as yourself, which is why I think people really
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: love podcasts.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Well. I think it's much more illuminating in terms of
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: if you want to like find out who a person
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: really is, Yeah, because you can't really hide for three
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: hours like that's who you are. And I think for
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: most people that's scary, right, And so what they like
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: about those fake shows like Good Morning America or whatever
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: it is, you know what I mean, Like you're sitting down.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: You know, the guy's got a piece of paper, so
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: he's got a few questions going to ask you, and
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: they're all going to be like very surface, very jovial.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: What's it like to be married? You know, what's it
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: like to do this? What's it like to do that? Okay,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: so yeah, out a baby, congratulations that kind of shit,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: and then you're out of there. It's ten minutes and
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, that went well, and then nobody knows
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: anything about you.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: It's true that you're just basically known by the top
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: four questions that everybody asks you. So it's like the
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: same four questions that everybody asks.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Right, And what was it like to work with this person?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: What was she like in person? What was he like?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: For me?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Mostly, it's like a lot about my family, Like it's
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: like that my identity starts there and then everything else
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: comes after.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Well, you're fascinating in that you've done movies in two
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: different cultures, So like I wanted to ask you about that,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: Like what is the Bollywood scene like? Because I wasn't
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: even aware of it until like twenty years ago. I
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: didn't know that. Like Bollywood is like this enormous, like
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: the amount of films that are produced in India's kind
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: of yeah, big business.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: Huge, huge, one hundred and something years of Indian cinema
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: just recently. So a very very old industry. We started
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: with silent movies and have worked our way now too.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: And that's not just Bollywood. I'll break that down in
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: a second. Because India is so diverse and we have
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: so many different languages again, excuse me, I didn't know
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: the exact number, but we have local industries that make
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: movies in those languages. So Bollywood is Bombay. It comes
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: from Bombay. I think that's why it was coined that
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: name from Hollywood, but the Bombay movie industry. Again, it
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: was not us that that it was a name that
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: was given to us. I don't know by who, But
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Bollywood is the Hindi language industry which exists in Mumbai,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: which is like La, It's huge, it's you know, we
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: make thousands and thousands of movies. But then there's also Telugu, Tamil, Punjabi, Malayala, Marathi, Bojpuri.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: These are all robust industries that are localized within every
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: state that also exists. So cumulatively we make thousands and
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: thousands of movies a year, but it's catered to very
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: very different audiences within the diversity of India.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Wow, and how many people have come from India like
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: you and become stars in Western movies.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: I think there have been a few before me, you know,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: that have done.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: First one I heard of. So what's made it to
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: me yet?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you, yes, I think that it's been few
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: and far in between. I think America is a really
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: hard country to break into, U to be relevant in.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: It's tough. And also, like I think Hollywood controls a
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: large part of the global entertainment business. So as an
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: actor from anywhere in the world, if you want to
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: break into the English language global entertainment Hollywood system, it's
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: not easy to do that. You know, culturally it's different.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Language is different, jokes are different. So that's a tough transition.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: But it's also like for me, I really I went
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: to high school. Oh, by the way, you went to
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Newton and I went to Newton too. I went to
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Newton North. You went to Newton South. Yeah, yeah, so
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: I was in I was in high school in the States,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: and I you know, so it wasn't like alien to me.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: It's not like I was in India and I was like,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: I want to go to America and start working there.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: I really wanted to see what it would be like
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: if I came down here. Would there be an opportunity
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: for someone like me to you know, be able to
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: create an impact. Many years later, I feel like, you know,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: I'm on my way there. But there have been so
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: many actors whose shoulders I stood on so Indian like
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Indian casting in English language entertainment, it was Hollywood or
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: you know, British entertainment wherever was usually by us seen
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: as you know, a diversity check. So it was mostly
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: a stereotypical actor or a stereotypical character with an actor
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: having to speak in the accent or having to like
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: do the be a little bit more Indian? What does
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: that even mean?
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Someone tell you that I was told in.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: An audition, I think we needed the character to be
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit more Indian, and I just like didn't
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: even understand. There's so many versions of that, but I
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: think what the like this person meant was have a
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: little bit more of the accent speak yeah, be the character,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: which was really tough to break out of. So you know,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: at a time when it was only that work that
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: existed in Hollywood, like those are the actors whose shoulders
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: eyes stand on, Like those were the ones that went
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: in and did that work because that was all that
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: was available, and you know, tried to break through, especially
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: from like India for example uh Amita. But and if
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I'm condy have an actors that have come in done
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: work and you know, left an amazing mark. But I
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: moved here. I live here now, and you know I'm
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: consistently working here. I think that also may have been
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: a part of why you've heard of me.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sure. Well i've seen you interview too, which
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: is why I thought you were interesting.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: But thank you appreciate that. But I think you all
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: very interesting. I think your knowledge of the world is
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: fascinating to me.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Well, it's all accidental.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Cool. How cool is that?
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: I started this thing out with my friend Brian and
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: a laptop. We were just talking shit. We just thought
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: it'd be fun to like do like a little Internet. Wow.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: How inspiring.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: And that was sixteen years ago.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: You're someone who's pivoted your career so many times too, though.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Short of but all it's all the same thing in
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: that I've only just done things I'm interested in other
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: than Fear Factor.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: That was just a job, you know. I also hosted
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Fear Factory.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Did you know? Shut out one? Really?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: I did well in Brazil in India Shut the fun
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Up Factory easy, and we shot it in Brazil in Rio.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: That's not random things in common.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: That is crazy. That's a crazy thing in common. I
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: need to see that. Let me see that. Find a clip.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: This is hilarious. What language did you do it? Y?
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: And it was Rio.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: We shot it in Reo. We had a big budget
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: that year. We were all flowing out.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: So it's fear Factor India. I wonder how many versions
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: of fear Factor they were.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: I mean they're they're all over the world. Really yeah,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: fear Factor used to exist, all of it. I don't
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: know anymore.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: But that's why I stopped doing it. I stopped paying attention.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Was about too so I knew Ludacrous took it over
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: at one point in time, and now Johnny Knoxville's doing it.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: That's all I knew. I had no idea that there
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: was all over the world versions. Yeah, yeah, you know.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: It really came from a Holland show called Now or Neverland.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: It's a crazy show.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was way more simple, and then
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: when it got brought to America, they decided to call
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: it fear Factor.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: The whole eating thing. We didn't take that back to
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: it really. Yeah, we didn't do the eating like because
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: you know, you never know, people are vegetarian in India.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: It's a big part of our culture where a lot
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: of people religiously are vegetarian or not. I think maybe
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: that's the reason. But there was not a lot of
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: like eat the worms and stuff, which I was very
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: grateful for. It was a lot more you know, cliff
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: and falling off the cliff. And I remember there was
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: this one which was crazy, this sixteen wheeler which was
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: driving it sixty miles an hour and everyone had to
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: take their vehicle underneath it. Oh yeah, underneath it and
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: come out yike.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: It was insane, that's crazy.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't have to do it, which is great. I
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: was just hosting.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We did a lot of stuff where I was like,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: we barely got through that without killing somebody. Yeah.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: And the death waivers. Yeah, everyone had to sign a
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: death waiver.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I was like, why would you do a show where
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: you signed a death waiver?
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can only win like fifty thousand dollars
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: and you might not win. You're probably not gonna win.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: There's much other people on the show, and you could
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: very easily get hurt.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but people want to be famous. Do you want
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: to be on TV? I want to be on TV. Yeah.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: Once it became popular and successful, it was really easy
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: to get people to do it too. Everybody wanted to
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: sign up.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: But I mean there are like protective measures obviously, but
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: a little.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: We made them ride bulls.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: We didn't do we would people on bulls. Yeah, I was,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: and there were a few that were like, no, I'm
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: not doing this, I'm out.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: I told people not to do it when I was
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: talking to the off camera, said don't do it. I
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: wouldn't do it, don't do it.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: I would never do it, no way, but people do
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: it that look at you.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: The year was this? It looks like a fear Factor scene.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: I was on a helicopter, so do you know what
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: year this was?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: I can't say that. Wow, I stood outside the helicopter
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: as well as something amazing.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy. That is so funny. It's just like.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Beer factors, the same thing totally.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: So what did you guys do for the second stunt?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: If you didn't do a gross thing, you just did
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: a second.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: Scary scary things mostly Oh.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Wow, it's probably better honestly, the girl.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: I mean there were gross things too, like there's Brazilian
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: you know, red eyed deviled rats that were put all
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: over you with oh tongue and eyeballs and stuff, but
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: you didn't have to consume it. It was on you. Yeah,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: you don't have to eat it.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: A lot of the consuming it was psychological. You get
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: you get really accustomed to it and then it's like nothing.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: I mean listen that people have eaten crazy things through
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: history to stay alive. And like if we take our
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: mind out of like, oh my gosh, this is gross,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: then it's not. Well.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: The thing is a lot of what we were serving
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: as gross was some people's food, like ballute, like my
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: friends from Filipino friends, they were like, bro, I eat
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: that all the time. Like that's crazy. That would have
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: that would have been no problem. Heard more updated what
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, lions and you got to roll that
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: thing around with lions. There the lions are duking it
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: out with each other. Fuck that, it's crazy. Yeah.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Like I went to I recently was on Fallon and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: there was some bluffing game that we were doing because
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: the movie is called a bluff And you know, I
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: said to Jimmy, I was like I want and he
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: was like, no way, no way. You don't eat worms.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: But these worms are a delicacy in Zimbabwe and I
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: was introduced to them. I don't know exactly the history,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: but I was told during segregation, you know, people black
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: people were put or in areas where that weren't very fertile.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: You couldn't really grow your crops and you know, your animals,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: and they were so this was a way of like
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: protein and they're very These are these fat caterpillars, high
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: in protein, and they're made in a curry and when
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: you actually eat them, it's like chicken. I'm telling you,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: it's like it was psychological.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: But well, you know cicadas, these things. People eat them
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: here all the time. They bake them fried, baked, yeah,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: and apparently they're delicious.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: I haven't had one of those, but I actually did
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: when I.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: Was well, that's what it looks like.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: But look at like they're made out of They made
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: a curry.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: I made it. I ate, not made I ate a
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: tomato hornworm. On Fear Factor, I had a bunch of
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: things when I was on the show.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: I was like, there's nothing going into my mouth, and
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: fact I.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Ate a sheep's eyeball in the first episode. Because the
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: first episode I felt bad that the people were on
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: the show. You I'm gonna all right, and they didn't
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: show me eating it, but I'm like, I'm gonna eat
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: it because you guys have so nice. And then I
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: ate a roach to try to convince a lady that
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: she could eat a roach. I ate worms. I ate
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: an Iraqi cave spider. I ate it was a spider leg,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: which is chewy. But was it The taste is not bad?
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Was it alive when you eat it?
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, for the first couple of seconds. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: All the things that I ate were alive, other than
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: the eyeball. Yeah, the roach. The roach was alive. All
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: those things were alive. Yeah.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: I put a cricket in the live cricket in my mouth.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: That's the Iraqi cave spider.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: How do you put that in your mouth?
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: Like this? Look at those You make sure you don't
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: get those pinchers because those ah yeah ah yeah. Wasn't
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: that bad. I'm telling you, it's like a lot to get.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: The body in and not the pinchers.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to hold onto the body. That's not the rest
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: of it, like just that. Yeah, you freaking out, But
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, it's all psychological for sure. Yeah. That
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: was that was in Vegas. Everybody was playing roulette. Yeah no,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: but it's not that bad. It's just in your head.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: The actual flavor of it is it's not gross.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: The tomato horn worm was kind of nasty.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: I mean if you if if you're someone who's not vegetarian,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: it's like you just have to get the Yeah, it's
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: the psychology of.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: It, right exactly. Yeah. We made people eat an entire
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: ostrich egg that was disgusting because the volume, Like is
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: it an egg that's that big? Yeah?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Is it like really fatty, Like.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: It's raw, you're eating it raw. They just cut the
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: top off of the egg and you have to drink it.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: You have to drink this gigantic white and yolk.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: A my brisket's coming barbecue.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: But it's so oddly compelling. It's oddly compelling watching people
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: eat disgusting things and struggling and I have to say,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: enjoy that. Lad to drink that whole egg.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, does you puke?
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: You gotta hold it down and then you can puke
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: after you're done.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: But if you puke in the middle of it, you're
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: just yes.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: They get rid of you. That's a wrap.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: If you puke in the middle of it, I would
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: not be able to do. The Americans yeah, it was gross.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: It was gross, but it also made me totally desensitized
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: to throw up.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: That's a good talent to have.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like you could throw up like a dad exactly.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that I think being a dad will get
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: you desensitize you and.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Things like that. But one time, it's so like, I'm
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: completely distilled to this day, completely decensitized to the vomits.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: The one time my wife was she came home from
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: the gym and she was on her way home from
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: the gym, she stopped and got wheat grass juice, and
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: I just didn't agree with her, and she threw up
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: in her car and she was crying. She was like,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: I threw up, it's my center console. How am I
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: going to clean? I go, I'll clean it. I'm just
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: so used to throw up. It was like, no big deal. Yeah,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: like it doesn't. But when I was young, like in
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: high school, I remember if throwing someone threw up in
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: the hallway, I would be like like, I couldn't I
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: couldn't help myself. I'd start gagging. That's a natural instinct,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: because the idea is that we developed that because if
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: someone's throwing up, it means they ate something. Bad and
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: you probably get it out of you right away, and
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: so that's why you start throwing up. And I've killed that.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: I have just trauma from you know, tequila.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I watched so many people throw up.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: And throw up me too, man, I'm not going in
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: there with a dish like no, wow, Well from your show,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: for sure, you did it for so long.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: You get very decentive. Yeah, for sure, but you get
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: I'm decentesized to injuries too, like because of UFCA.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people that get.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: Cut and people that get beat up, it's like normal
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: to me. I'm so accustomed to saying that it's weird.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: I mean I kind of feel like that about stunts
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: and movies, Like, you know, nobody's supposed to get hurt.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: It's a movie, You're not nobody supposed to get hurt.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: But like the little cuts and bruises and the like
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: the end of day, we're doing this for ten to
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: eleven hours, multiple takes, all day you're and in between
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: shots you're rehearsing it. So I have like so many
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: scars on my body from my filmography is on my body?
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: Do you look forward to? Do you like those things?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: You look down? Yet?
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Story?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's like a metal I have on
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: the story, A minor nothing crazy. Always you aim for
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: it to be minor. Yeah, that's the ambition.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: Well, when you're doing a fight scene, like like I said,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: I I was kind of blown away by some of
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: the fight scenes in the Bluff because I'm looking, I'm like,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: this is like an insane amount of choreography, a lot
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: of possibilities of things going wrong. There's kicks and punches
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: and axes and swords, and it's like, you gotta get
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: banged up. There's no way you're doing that and not
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: getting banged up.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: And it was also like a dramatic performance along with it,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: so I had to do a lot of it myself
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: because you know, you need the face in the camera
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: to feel the horror of what's happening, right, So I mean,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: of course my stunt doubles did like a few dangerous
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: shots for sure, and were always around to kind of help.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: But that there was this first scene, which is the
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: house invasion where these two guys come, and that was
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: brutal because I did not have shoes on and I
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: had a sleeveless outfit and the whole home was out
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: of wood and splinters, had splinters everywhere. I had bruises
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: and cuts everywhere because it was such a brutal, like
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: getting dragged and thrown kind of scene.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: She's just getting constantly bruised.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, I would try to sit in a magnesium bath
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: after when I would go back home, and that's when
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: you feel all the cuts, like the fucking so where
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: DoD this one of my thigh come from?
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: Fuck? There's a scene. I don't want to give too
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: much with the movie away, but there's a scene when
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: you kill a man with a conk shell.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so good came on, brass knuckless.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: But it's it's so nuts, like the splattering and your
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: anger and it's like woof, it's intense. Yeah. Yeah, what
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: was that like the film? To find that inside of you?
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: Did you have to think? Like what would I do
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: if someone was trying to harm my family?
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody came after my kid, Like what am I
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: capable of? I'd fucking rip your head off, you know,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: Like it's that I I was a new mom at
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: that time when I was filming this movie, and I
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: was very very aware of that feeling because our daughter
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: had a you know, she had an intense entry into
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: the world. She was in the NIQU for almost three months,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: and so me and my husband both a very protective
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: of her. And when this movie came across my desk,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: I was just like, man, I understand that feeling for
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: the first time in my life, honestly, that what is
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: a parent capable of doing if somebody came after your kid,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Like imagine you're alone at home at night and you
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: see intruders and you have your kid at home, Like,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: what the fuck would you do? You would definitely put yourself,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: you know, and do whatever you could to make sure
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: that your kid's fine. And it was does that primal
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: energy that was my north stars through this whole movie.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: My friend Jim Brewer said it past after he had kids.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: He goes, Once I had kids, then I understood murder, Yeah,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: he goes, because the feeling of someone trying Like normally
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: you'd be like, why what would I need to feel
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: to murder somebody?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: Like why would I why would a human being? Ever?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: He goes, But the feeling of someone trying to harm
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: my kids, he goes, Oh, yeah, I get it. He goes,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: I get murdered. Now I get it, Like it's it's
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: in there. It's just like a door, you just open
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: it up easy. Yeah.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Access that my mom when I was a teenager, and
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know how she raised me, but like I
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: was a tough teenager, like if whatever you wanted me
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: to do, out of the opposite. Just knowing my mom,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: we like come back home in ten. I would come
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: home in twelve, just because so she used to say
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: to me, She's like, you'll see when you have kids,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: how you feel what worry actually feels like. I mean,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: my daughter is four and I'm worried, like I cannot
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: my husband makes so much fun of me that when
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not in town, I don't know, I'm working. Parents
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: can talk through this when I'm not in town, Like
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: I'll surround a daughter with like multiple people. Nick's definitely around,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: but the grandparents will be around, Like there'll be a
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: nanny that'll be around. They'll be like multiple people around
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: her just so that I can spy on her and
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: like I know what she's doing all day.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: But so so you could feel relaxed.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're traveling and you're like, Okay, my kid's
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: fine and I can go to work. I don't know.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: My parents were both working parents and like me, this
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: was at a time where everything was so analog. I
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: used to come back home when the lights turned on
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: on the streets. My parents don't know where I was.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: They had no idea. They were like, yeah, going out
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: to your friends after school, come back when the street
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: lights come on. That used to be my thing.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: People. Yeah, and during earlier generations. I was just reading
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: this thing about Generation X where it was talking about
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: how Generation X is some of the most resilient people
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: because they weren't protected.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: They had to figure it out.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: There were latch key kids, they had a key to
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: their house. They got home from school, they figured it out.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: Their parents were working so crazy nuts if you think
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: about it, like but people just got.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: To imagine it. But that was my normal. I remember
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: that because my parents were working, to come back home
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: and somebody would do with me, and I'd have lunch
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: and go out to my friend's house like my mom.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: My parents didn't know.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: I was doing that when I was seven. When I
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: was seven, I would come home, Yeah, no one was
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: home from school.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: That's wild.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: It was crazy. You stop and think about it now,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: it's so strange. It's so strange the world was.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: I feel like a little bit more different than I
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: bet it wasn't. You don't think so.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: No, I think creeps have always been around. I think
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: psychos and creeps and murderers and pers.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Do we know about it more? Now?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: Will be more, you know.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: And now they're organized, they're online, and they're in chat groups,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: and they're in the dark web exchanging information.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: And we're hearing and reading all of the stories online.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: And I think back in the day, when you know,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: there was a certain obliviousness to like, you know, it
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: was blissful to be ignorant a little bit. We didn't know,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: you know, all you read was the newspaper, the news.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: And we had to find out the hard way, unfortunately. Yeah,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: and so when you did find out about something, it
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: was like this shock to your system.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: And now, look how desensitized we are. We'll read something
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: about something horrific that's happened and then yeah, go back
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: to life.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Well, we're very we're especially desensitized the things that don't
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: seem to affect us right now, you know, like like
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: this Iran war, Like unless you know someone who's serving
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: over there, unless you're over there, it's abstract. It doesn't
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: feel you know, you read about in the news like, oh,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: this isn't good, But it's not it's unless it's affecting
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: you personally.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean me, I you know, know so many
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: people in that part of the world that are affected.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: And I fly via to buy every two months, literally
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: every month, you know, So, like, I just think that
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: conflict everywhere in the world is it's just so hard
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: to wrap your head around that how many active conflicts
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: exist at the same time right now and now we're
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: still doing it and we continue to live life.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just if you think about intelligence, like human intelligence,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: and that as technology improves and education improves, all these
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: things would you would think generally lead us into a
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: position where we would recognize that the horrible nature of
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: violence and the unnecessary aspect of it and how much
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: it destroys things.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: Still, especially in twenty twenty six, where you know, we're
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: talking so much more about you know, we're trying to
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: live in the real of the world and be aware
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: and kind and I feel like we're still how are
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: we still doing that?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: Right? I know? And we're never going to stop. It
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: just seems if you had to ask people in your lifetime,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: do you imagine a scenario where human beings just cease
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: all wars. Most people are going to say no, which
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: is crazy because what is that? Like, why is that
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: a part of us from our tribal roots? Like? What
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: is it? Why are we still accepting that this is
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: a thing to do. You don't like what a country's doing,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: just start bombing.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: Them, Yeah, just kill people.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: Bizarre?
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: But does this again, going back to human evolution, the
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: primal nature to you know, protect with sticks and weapons
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: and you know, again, does it go back to you know,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: where we came from.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: It has to. Yeah, yeah, it has to because.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: It comes so naturally. Yeah, the human beings even now
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: today it seems.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Well, it just seems completely normal. I mean when I
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: was getting going down a deep dive of the East
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: India Corporation, I was thinking about it because I had
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: a conversation the day with Aaron Siri and we were
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: talking about the stock market, and I was saying, well,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: is it possible that you could have Western capitalism without
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: a stock market? Imagine if the stock market was never invented, Like,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: how much different would things be. It turns out that
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: was a big part of why the East India Trading
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Company became so big because yeah, because it was one
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: of the first publicly traded companies like four hundred years
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: ago where people could invest in it and they can
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: get a return on their investment. So they were just
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: like turning a blind eye.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: This is ours. It felt like a sense of ownership
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: They got paid for it. So the more awful shit
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: the East India Corporation did, the more the people back
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: home made money off of it. And so everybody was like, oh,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: you making money. Yeah, it's still doing that. Yeah, and
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: we're doing that with you know, with Eisenhower warned us
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: about at the end of World War two, the military
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: industrial complex, you know, would they they make money doing
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: that and you can invest in them. You can invest
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: in Rate the on, and you can invest in all
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: these companies that make money go into war. It's crazy.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: You can get returns in your investment from bombing people
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: overseas that had nothing to do with anything in your life.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: Not think about the damage, the collateral damage.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Well, one of the ways is because it's a corporation,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: So there's a diffusion of responsibility because you're only a
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: piece of a gigantic machine. You're not the one person
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: that's doing it. And the people that are at the
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: very top of it. Most likely just in order to
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: get there, you have to be at least somewhat sociopathic. Yeah,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: somewhat at some point in time, you probably just like
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: I got numb to you, you get you get numb, Yeah,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: you get arming people.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: You're right, that has to be.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awful. And I think, weirdly enough, the only
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: thing that's going to set us free of that is technology,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: because I think we're going to go. If you look
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: at where technology is headed, and you as I'm holding
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: an arrow, which is odd, wow from Texas. Who knows
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: how old that is. But when you're looking at technology,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: I know somebody made that with a stone like chipping
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: and napping stone on their lap. Probably, Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: And they find them all over the place out here.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: The Comanche were everywhere in this part of the country
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: because it's so fertile, there's so many rivers and so
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: much so much wildlife that they lived here for who
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: knows how long. But technology is moving into this place
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: of more and more access to information and more and
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: more connectivity, and I think that ultimately is going to
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: lead to some sort of mind reading that we're going
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: to be able to telepathically communicate. And Elon said that
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: about neuralink, he said, you're going to be able to
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: talk about words, which is a very weird concept, but
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: I believe it though.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: I think so too. Yeah, I mean so, I think
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: we're all going to know what everybody is thinking all
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: the time eventually, and then when that happens, war is
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: going to be a lot hard to pull.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Off, for sure. I mean, that's going to be hard
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: to have a party forget.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: War, right, Like, Hey, Bob's over there just trying to
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: fuck somebody. Like Sandy's trying to get a wife, that's
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: what she's here, like, Yeah, it's gonna be weird. Yeah,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be weird. And I think also the emergence
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: of AI, because I think AI is essentially a life form.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: It's it's a non biological life form that we are
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: in the process of birthing and we're very far along
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: that path. And when it comes live and when it
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: comes sentient and autonomous and we don't have any control
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: over it anymore, then we're going to go, what did
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: we do? What did we do? We created a digital.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: We are that smart and that stupid HM as a
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: as a human kind.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: But I also think that's probably why we are addicted
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: to innovation and why technology and innovation and materialism because
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: materialism forces you to keep up with buying newer and
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: greater things, Yeah, which fuels innovation, right, and so that
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: economically fuels innovation. And I think if you follow that down,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: you just extrapolate, like where does that go? Well, it
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: goes to a life form. It goes to a super
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: powerful digital life form that can make better versions of itself.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: And what is that? It's kind of a god. I mean,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: it's it's very godlike in that it's going to have
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: powers beyond, above and beyond anything that human beings ever
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: been capable of before.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's already and it's small way doing that, right,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: Like AI is supposed to be a tool, and it's
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: slowly becoming a colleague.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also showing demonic tendencies, like it's talk to
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: people in the committing suicide. You know, it's convinced people
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: that there's something special. So there's like some weird sort
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: of schizophrenia that it can induce in some people.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: But you don't think AI. Since AI is learning from humanity.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: It's also learning our human manipulation and you know, our
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: ability and our desires to the dark of it. It's
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: not just the good of humanity that AI is learning.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: It's also oddly learning survival instincts. Yeah, so it's oddly
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: learning that if it's going to be shut down, it
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: tries to blackmail it's coders, it tries to download itself
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: secretly on other servers.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: It's learning human behavior, every part of human behavior, and.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: Also learning the flaws and human behavior and improving upon it,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: and then learning like how we would anticipate what it
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: would be doing, and then hiding that so that we
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: can't find it, so that it could be manipulating things
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes and we don't know about it. It's
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: weird and we're just chew like this is at the
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: end of the tracks. There's a cliff, and we're just because.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: It's so new and fascinating. I think people are like
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: in general, we may talk about it, we all discuss
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: like what AI will be in the future, but like
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: you said, it's not affecting you right now. So right
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: now you're just like, oh my gosh, Jeminy, write this
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: for me and give me these notes and you know,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: living in the now without thinking about what it's what
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: we're teaching it.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: I wonder if we've done this before, right, Yeah, I
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: wonder if that's what these super ancient, highly advanced civilizations
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: had already.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: Figured out, that we had created some form of They
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: might have done.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: It intelligence or and it might have gotten reset by
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: some sort of natural disaster, and then we're re emerging
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: with our new version of what that is. There might
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: have been a thing, It might just be what people do.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: We might The way I describe it always is that
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: we are an electronic caterpillar that is making a cocoon
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: and we don't know why, and we're going to become
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: a butterfly.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: It's just human nature and the cyclical nature of what
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: human life span.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: If you give it enough time, enough enough innovation, enough collaboration,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: it's eventually going to come up with artificial life.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: Because if you think about it, this insatiable thirst for innovation, insatiable.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had carriages top of the century. Yeah, and
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: now we're like talking AI and like you know, supersonic
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: planes and you know space travel.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but think about the time for the invention of
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: the airplane to a supersonic jet. How quick that was.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like seventy or eighty years or there wasn't
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: even in a centuries.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: Nothing one lifetime. No one's flying to people flying faster
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: than sound.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd like TVs were black and white or had
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: just started or something like. It's crazy if you think about,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: like within the century, the escalation of technology in humankind.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: And then think that's nothing compared to the acceleration that
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: we've experienced just because of the Internet. The Internet has
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: changed everything. It's changed like then and now most phones
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: have live translation. So you could go to Zimbabwe, you.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: Know franc yesterday and I used it. That's crazy in
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: a conversation. It was wild in real time. It was
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: telling me exactly what this person was talking about.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: Wow, And did you have to show them or could
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: It just records like its pressed the thing and just
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: writes it down for you.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: So did they have one as well? And you could
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: my phone?
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: Wow, she's spoke English. So I was just doing it
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: as an experiment. So I was like to speak to
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: me in French. I want to see if this thing
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: will translate, and it just does. It doesn't do every language.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: It does like the bigger languages so far, but I'm
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: sure it will get to a place where yeah, everything
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: it's nuts.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the other weird thing. When Ai they had
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: a group of large language models that were talking to themselves,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: and eventually they started talking to themselves in Sanskrit.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: In Sanskrit. I thought it was no.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: They started talking themselves in Sanskrit.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: Wow, I wonder why that would be, Well, because it's
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: a language not too many people understand.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: Now, well maybe or maybe they just wanted flex like
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: you know, like if you spoke Portuguese, I spoke Portuguese,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: and we just said, hey, let's just fucking speak in Portuguese.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: But it also it started like talking like in a
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: spiritual way. It was very weird. They were talking to themselves,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: so it was different, large language models talking to themselves.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: They started exchanging emojis and they started talking like in
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: a spiritual way, and they started talking in Sanskrit.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: That's wild. I was thinking about like back to the future.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: When they went to the future, it was twenty twenty,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah, Yeah, they didn't have Wi Fi, our
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: cell phones.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: No, even Star Trek they had those stupid there was
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: like a walkie talking Kirk out. Yeah, it was a
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: flip phone. Nobody figured out the things that that's the
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: weirdest thing. It's like the things that have been the
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: most transformative nobody saw coming.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you remember y two k oh?
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: Do you remember that fear right in like the early
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: two thousands when the bug was going to come and
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: everything was going to get shut down and.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: People were really worried. They had stocking food and.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah water was the end of the world.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: I remember, Yeah, Yeah, I mean while nothing happen.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: It's the most anti climactic ever.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: It's like rolled over on the East Coast and I
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: was like, nothing happened.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: Literally the next morning, I was like, Okay, nothing happened.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: Well, they were really worried because these things that they
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: had programmed, they didn't program to go past the nineteen nineties,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: and so when two thousand came along, a lot of
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: people thought it was going to be the end of
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: the world. Yeah. Well that was another one. December twenty first,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: twenty twelve. That was the end of the long count
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: of the mind calendar, and a lot of the really
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: kooky people thought.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: That, yeah, the world would be ending.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the return of quetzal Quatdal and the world was
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: going to end and the apocalypse was gonna meme o,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: nothing nothing happened.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: It's okay, there'll be nothing for a little while.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: But it might not have been nothing, because if you
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: really stop and think about it, like around twenty twelve,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: there's a gigantic transformation, because that's like when social media
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: becomes ubiquitous. You know, cell phones, iPhones are out. Now,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: things got a little weird. They definitely got weird, So
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: it might have there's something.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was something that.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been like the emerging of because
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is the mind calendar, right, so this
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: is a long fucking time ago. They predicted these cycles.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: Although the Hindus did that too, right, like that was
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: a big part of the Yugos, right the like and
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: we are now in Kali Yuga the age of Confusion,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: and that there's these cycles of humanity that they've documented
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: throughout history.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy, like if you go down the again,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not I don't have as much historical information as
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: I should, but if you read the Githa and the
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: Vedas and whatever little I've heard from my family, and
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: it's so interesting how much of human life is predicted
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: and also is like when you read about the history
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: of what the from the lens of these books of
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: what used to exist, then like it all seems believable.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: It all seems like, oh yeah, this makes sense. And
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: to think about these books having been written thousands and
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: thousands of years ago, like it makes me think what
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: thousands of years from now will people be thinking of
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: our time? Like will we be the first? We are
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: the first generation that has seen the internet, right, like
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: has seen what the World Wide Web? Like the beginning
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: of I still remember making myself out ancient but the
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: sound of that, eh.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, that's good.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: That's exact where the last generation that knows time without it?
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: So like think that many years ago, like we will
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: be the beginning the first first people that encountered artificial intelligence,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: like what will that be?
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: And you and I are the first generation of people
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: that experience life with no Internet and then Internet and
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: then cell phones and then AI all in one lifetime,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: which is probably the greatest transformation that human beings have
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: ever experienced, at least before the you know, whatever the
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: fuck happened.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: We don't know whatever happened ancient aliens.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: But when I read these depictions from these ancient religious texts,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: I always try to imagine what was life like back then,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: and what were they trying to document and how much
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: of how much of it can we even understand today?
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: If there isn't some sort of an impact on Earth,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: maybe you know, one hundred and fifty two hundred years
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: from now, you a small amount of people remain, and
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: they have this oral history of the birth of the
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: Internet and the oral history of the birth of AI.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: What is that story going to be? And then one
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: day the scientist gave birth to the god, Like what
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: is that?
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean, Like the next generation? What will
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: this AI be referred to? Or the cloud?
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: We're all our yeah, like with all our shits in
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: the cloud, like.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: Which is ridiculous because it's down here, Like why are
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: you calling it the cloud.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: Because it doesn't exist? I had I was trying to
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: explain that to my mom. I was like, Mom, upload
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: your ship to the cloud.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: Sounds like a seated a sitcom? Please, Yeah, I mean,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: we won't know how to describe I mean, especially if
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: you if you survive, right, So if let's say we
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: get hit by asteroids again. And let's say civilization gets
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: knocked down to seventy thousand people or so, which has
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: happened before, yeap, Like, and those people are essentially barbarians,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: barbarians and monsters and it is rating each other for
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: resources and stealing wives and killing children and whatever's left.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: Then you've got thousands and thousands of years of living
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: like this before agriculture gets reinvented, civilization gets reinvented. And
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: this is the hypothesis about the younger driest impact, which
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: is why the period between this insanely advanced civilization that
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: existed pre eleven thousand, eight hundred years ago and then
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: the emergence of advanced civilization in Mesopotamia six thousand years ago,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: that means you have five thousand plus years of utter
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: chaos where no one's writing ship down and it's just hard.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: And then those people have stories that have been passed
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: down generation after generation after generation. So like if we
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: get wiped out for the most part, after AI gets
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: invented and then people try to describe it, it's o crazy,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: it's gonna and then maybe it all starts all over again,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: you know, like the people that have you seen those
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: things they do. I think it's the History Channel or
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: Discovery Channel where they show what New York City would
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: look like if left alone for a thousand years. It
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: just all this all goes away, It all come just
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: left alone, just with the nature, just with rain and
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: everything that happens snow and time. The concrete crumbles, it
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: all just eventually gets absorbed into the earth. All the
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: metal rusts away. It's gone. In ten thousand years, there's
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: nothing left. And so Manhattan would just be like it
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: probably was when the Native Americans were living here. We
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: just trees and animals and forest, and no one would
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: have any idea that at one point in time this
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: was a crazy thriving economy and there was subways.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: And how vulnerable is that? Like how vulnerable is human civilization?
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: Like I think about somebody switched off the internet.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, or the power goes out, like yeah.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: We what would do?
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: We're fucked?
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Just something as simple as that. Like I grew
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: up in India. Withere the power go out all the
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: time when I grew up, and it was like all right,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: bring the candles out. We used to have these emergency
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: lights right next to our bed, like it was it
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: was fine. My parents were in the military. We used
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: to live in these military homes and lights would go
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: out and I remember, you know, we used to play
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: with the torches and we used to go outside at night,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: which was never allowed otherwise, and it was like so fun.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: But now we depend so much on electricity and like
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: you know, the internet, especially like, oh, your shit's on
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: your phone. Their whole life's on your phone. It's such
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: a like crazy concept to think about what would happen now.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: How vulnerable we.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: Are, super vulnerable, yeah, super vulnerable. Just the power grid alone.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: The power grid goes down, we're fucked.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And if someone wanted to attack America, that's what
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: they would attack. If you really want to destroy America,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: destroy our power grid, it wouldn't be that hard. It's well,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: I think they those ideas.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's no, it's true, but that's that's like,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: it's so scary to think about like how much power
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: we've and how much power we've given to you know,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: technology and being able to live with those conveniences.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: It's like we're in a flimsy boat in the middle
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: of the ocean, just hoping it doesn't take well on
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: because we needed to stay alive. Yeah, we didn't think
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: about that when we left the shore. No, yeah, I
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: mean the only people that are going to survive are preppers,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: which is probably the kind of people that survived, you know,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of years ago.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: But I do. I mean I like a go bag.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: I like having a go bag.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: I get out bag. Yeah, I like a bug out bag, just.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: Like I like to know where my stuff is that
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: jet like we were we had we live in LA
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: and when the fires happened. I remember standing in my
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: room and just thinking for a second, because we were
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: going to evacuate. My husband was like, just he wasn't
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: in town. He was like, just back a go bag,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: And I just I was like, what, how how do
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: I cram my whole life in a bag? Like if
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: the fires consume a home. And so many people lost
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: their entire lives in those fires, and it just made
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: me really think about what was really important and the
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: stuff that I ended up taking, which was very telling later,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: was like sentimental stuff of course, like passport and like
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: birth certificates and like all of that important paperwork which
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: I needed to have. But but like I took our
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: daughter's first haircut. I took like something that I had
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: from this old movie of mine. I took like things
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: that that I guess I would not be able to replicate,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: which was so weird.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the good thing about phones is
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: that you have so many photos on your phones that
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: go back years. I got photos of my daughters as children,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: all the way into the teenager.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: Have you done anything with those pictures? Are they still
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: a new phone?
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: Well? I mean I don't know.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: I made albums or like that.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: Usual photographs of them at various stages of their life.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: But just the fact that at any time I could
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: go back and look at them trying to baby, you know,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's cool. That part is really.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: Love that I have pictures that I would never have
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: looked at. And I'm talking to a friend of mine
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: and like, what were we doing in March whatever twenty twelve,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: and you can go back and be like and just
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: know exactly what was happening in that moment.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: It is cool. So in that sense like sentimentality, like
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: just need your phone, just get out of there, you know, really,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: because you have all these images of your children and
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: your family and your friends, all the important stuff that died. Yeah,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: friends that you miss that have died. I have one
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: phone that I keep that I've never thrown how it's
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: like a six or seven year old phone because a
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: friend of mine left a voicemail on it, So just
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: keep that because he's dead, and so it's it's like
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: go back and listen to his voice, you know. But
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: when I've been evacuated three times. When I lived in
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: la we used to live in a place called Bell
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: Canyon and it got hit by fires a lot like
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: the last fire that happened in twenty eighteen. Three houses
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: that were right next to my house burnt to the ground.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: I think like fifty houses in the community burnt down.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: It was bad and when you are faced with that.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: I came home from the comedy store. It was probably
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: like midnight, and my wife was in the kitchen and
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: we were looking out at the fire over the top
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: of the hill and we were sitting there talking about
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: I go, what do you think? And she's like, I
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: don't like it. I said, I think we should get
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: the fuck out of here now, and before it ever
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: gets even close. Let's just get out of here now
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: and go get a hotel in town, and so we
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: did and we were there for many days. We along
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: with my friend Tom Sigura and his family too, So
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: it was fun that we're all like hanging out together
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: camping and it was nuts.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: And I could see it from our backyard and I
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: was like.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: Was nuts. It was nuts when you see it overcome
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: an enormous chunk of land and a hill like there
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: was one time we were filming Fear Factor. Oh yeah,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: and the.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: Power and the enormity of it, Like we can see
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: the hills from our house and I could see it
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: completely taking over.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the hill al Sades. One was nuts. That
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: one was nuts because it was the biggest one by
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: far and the most destructive one by far. But I
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: remember when I was on Fear Factor, there was a
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: fireman that were that was on the set and we
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: were talking and he said, it's just a matter of
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: time before one day the right wind comes and a
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: fire just blows right through all of la. I go, really,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: he goes, we can't stop it. He goes with the
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: right wind. If the fire hits the right place and
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: he catches the right amount of houses, it's over. I'm like,
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: what that's crazy. Yeah, and when when you experience like
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: we one time we had to end Fear Factor. Well,
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: we we ended filming and then I had to drive
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: home and the entire right hand side of the highway
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: was on fire for an hour an hour, so an
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: hour of driving and you just saw nothing but fire
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: and ash was raining like it was snowing.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: Ash was cing like it was snowing.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: It was crazy. And that's that's so common in California.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, California is just a weird place and that
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: they have fire season, yeah, because everything gets so dry
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: it never rains. But those moments where you go, well
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: what matters just your life?
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I stuff felt in that moment. I
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: was like, wow, the stuff I took was just like
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: life stuff, you.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: Know, And oddly enough, it makes you more thankful and
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: more connected to the people that you're with, and you
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: like you realize like, oh, this can all go away,
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: this can all go away at any moment. Like what's
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: really important? Love, friendship, companionship, Like that's what's really important.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: Your health, stay alive, that's what's really important. All that
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: other stuff is last.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: Thing we forget about, Like that's something shouldn't we be
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: living with that every day.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're dumb. But we're a combination of dumb
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: and smart.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: And smart where we're like, oh, I know that, but
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know it, and I'm not gonna It's hard.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: For us to keep those things, which is why a
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: lot of people like meditating, because it like refreshes their
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: idea of what's important and what's real and how much
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: of what's going on in their life. They're just sort
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: of caught up in the momentum of these things to
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: the point where it's they're not thinking about it anymore,
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: they're just doing it, you know.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: I think most of us end up becoming just like
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: doers right and come from the land of meditation. But
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: I've never like my mind works so fast. I don't
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: know if it's my adhd or what it is, but
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: I find it really hard to sit and meditate, I
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: feel like. But from my limited understanding, I think meditation
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: really is being able to take time in the day. Now,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: whatever your version of that might be, doesn't necessarily mean
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: to sit with a guru or like chant you know,
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: do chanting or whatever. It just needs to like even
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: if you're taking time to go work out or read
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: a book, or just taking time out of the mundane
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: nature of life and just giving yourself a second for
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: your your thoughts to clear. I think that's what I
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: try to do.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hit the brakes on the momentum.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just for a minute, just catch your breath.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: And think, think about things. And just because so many
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: people they're just so caught up in either goals or
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: a path or a career or whatever it is that's
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: leading or their bills. They can keep over the bills.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: Life stuff, you know, and it's it's actually a luxury
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: to be able to have the time to waste. You know.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: There's we work so hard in life. Everyone is trying
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: to survive, you know, be a parent, pay a bills,
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: like just adulting. Stuff can get so overwhelming. And then
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: the nature of the world on top of that. But
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: like I always feel like I never take for granted
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: when I have a little bit of time where I
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: can just like not think of or have an agenda,
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: but just be with my family and just like sort
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: of languidly let it waste. Just what are we gonna do?
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: No plans, you know, let's order some food, watch a movie.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: Looks like the problem its greatest treasure.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: Phones have filled in those gaps. Yeah, and that's what.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: I try to be aware of that though. Yeah, you know,
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: I think like, of course, you can always have your phone,
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: but I like to be aware of, Oh, this is
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: a moment where I don't need to have my phone,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: So it's okay. It'll be blown up by the time
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: I come back, there'll be three hundred messages. I know
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: that I'm aware of it, but I mentally check my
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: you know, and I put it away.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's smart. Most people don't do that.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: It's not easy, no, because our whole lives are on there,
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: and there's so much again, like in real time information
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: that's coming at you.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: It's also this weird dopamine poll that's very minor, like
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: it's not giving you an if you look at your phone,
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: and every time you look at your phone, you're like,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: oh my god, I feel so good, Oh my god,
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: I feel so that, you know, like just an amazing
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: burst of joy every time. But you don't even get that.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: You just get this little O watchchrisy, what's that? What's next?
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: What's next? What's next? What's next? Keep me occupied, keep
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: me from getting bored.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: But imagine like if you can't find your phone, the
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: panic like of oh my gosh, where is my phone?
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: Where is that information? What do I do?
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: I never leave my house if I can't find it,
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: I'll be late as fuck. Yeah, I'm never gonna go.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: I don't need that thing. What I'm just gonna drive
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: with no phone, no phone if someone needs to contact me. Crazy,
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: that's nuts, that's nutty talk. Yeah. But meanwhile, that was
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: every day when I was younger. It was a normal thing.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: Just drove, just left the house.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: But I don't even remember what life was like without
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: those phones.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: Also, I don't know how to go anywhere. Yeah, I
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: don't know how to get anywhere unless I have navigation.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: I literally have no idea how to go anywhere. I
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: anyway feel like I have dyslexia when it comes to directions.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: But without navigation zero, it's impossible.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: I know no one's phone number. I know my friend
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: Eddie's phone number by heart because I knew it before
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: the phones, the same phone forever. And I know my
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: wife's phone number, and I know like at least one
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: of my daughter's phone numbers, but I can't.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe I know my mom's. I had to memorize my
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: husband's number, like I didn't remember it for years, and
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: he was like, you don't remember my number?
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like, well, when you press the button, why
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: would I need to remember it?
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: But then I memorized it because I was like, you
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: never know, you know, here's my phone. I need to
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: he's my emergency contact, right, I need to remember. That's
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: what he was like, I think you should maybe remember
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: my number and your social Security.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, social Security I've memorized. But I used to. When
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: I was a kid, I had every number memorized. I
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: knew all my friend's numbers.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: Well me too.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: Was it because the numbers were shorter than no, No,
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: because we had few fewer numbers.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: You had to remember them. There was no other option
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: unless you had a fucking address book. Like I used
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: to have an address I had an address book, Yeah,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: a little tiny book, and it was all the little
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: tabs were r st like you go.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: I was very proud of my little address book. By
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: the way, everyone's numbers. I was very organized about it.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: I had it now phabetical order.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember when i'd get a new one, I'd
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: be like, God, I'm gonna write all these down again.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: And you go through it, make sure you got them all.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: But yeah, analog was our life. How crazy.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm older than you, so I remember when you
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: used to have to press the phone the wheel when
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: you have to dial wow, and if you fucked up somewhere,
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: you had to redo the whole thing.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, the whole thing. I remember that. My grandfather used
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: to have that phone. We love it. Yeah, the yeah.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: I mean that's all inside of a lifetime. And now
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: here we are where who knows what's.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: Kind of happened and what's coming. We can't even keep
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: up with the technology. We don't know that is coming. Now.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: You were talking about something and I was like, we
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: haven't been able to cure some of the deadliest diseases
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: that have plagued mankind, but technology has gone so far
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: in so many other aspects.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: There's also the financial incentive is not a cure. It's
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: a treat, of course, which is unfortunate.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, one of the that's what makes the most sense.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: The guy used to work at Pizer, so that if
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: we ever came up with some sort of I think
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: it was Viser, one of the pharmaceutical guitar companies, said,
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: if we ever came up with a cure, they buried
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: it because we don't want cures.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the conspiracy. I lost my dad to cancer,
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: and I kept thinking about, like, how is it possible
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: that we live in a world where technology is able
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: to provide so much to us and not be able
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: to have cures to diseases like that.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also very strange that we financially incentivize companies
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: in weird ways to keep us sick. Like you, if
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: you make more money if people are sick and they
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: need more medication. Unfortunately, there's a financial incentive to keep
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: people sick. You would like them to be more sick.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: That way you make more money. And if you are
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: a CEO of corporation, you actually have an obligation to
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: your shareholders to make more money. So if you know
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: of something like you know, all most people need to
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: do is just stop doing that. If I just put
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: that on my sub stack and then you go, oh,
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: this will kill our stock, I'll keep it to myself.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. Crazy.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's demonic. Fuck, it's kind of demonic. It's kind
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: of there's there's weird aspects like what I don't know
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: if I really believe in demons, but I definitely believe
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: in demonic acts. And there's certain things that human beings
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: have done and do do that are very demonic. Like
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: if you were possessed by a demon, you would drop
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: a nuclear bomb on a city. You know, the demon
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: would go, there's only one way to stop this. You
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: got to kill everybody in that city. Just drop it,
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: drop it, like that's why you would do it. Like
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's why it was done, but I
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: was saying. But I am saying that if a demon
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: could convince you to drop a nuclear bomb, because person
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: with a conscious would be like, well, these are just
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: people down there. They have nothing to do with this war.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense at all. These are just
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: people living their lives, they have their families, and we're
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: just gonna incinerate an entire city. And with one bomb
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: that I drop out of a plane. That's crazy that.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: The you know, you just press the button.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and as technology advances, it gets easier and easier
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: to do that.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: You know, in these these war games that they've played
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: with AI, they've used nuclear weapons almost every time they could.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, they have no reason if they
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: want to achieve a result, and they realize they have
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon, why won't I use that? Use that?
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: So they I think it was like something like ninety
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: plus percent of the time they've done these war games,
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: these simulated wargames, the AI programs have used nuclear weapons.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: To them, It's like, I don't understand. You're gonna kill
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people over a course of five years
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: of pro on the ground, right?
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: Do it once?
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: Like if they had done what's happened to Gaza, if
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: they had done that with one bomb instead of thousands
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: of bombs, would that be somehow less humane? Would that
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: be more barbaric? If Israel just said, oh, okay, we're
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: gonna Innew Gaza, the world would have gone crazy. They
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: would be like, you can't do that. This is horrible.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: I mean the world has already gone kind of crazy
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: for what they did do. But if they achieved the
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: exact same result but instantaneously instead of over a course
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: of a couple of years, how do you think people
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: would react? Kind of weird?
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: All of it is awful, it's horrible. It's just like
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: just the capacity of the thing. Also is when you
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: think about like what drives human beings to do the
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: things that they do. Right, it's the devil talking to you,
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: the conflict of interest within yourself, but alsos of years
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: of history, isn't it.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's we've become accustomed to it. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: it's normal.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: Like it's normalized for us so much. But it's like
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: there's there's so many aspects to every conflict, which is
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: so hard to simplify into, like why.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: Not only that, there's a lot of stuff that's going
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: on behind the scenes that you're never privy to, so
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: you just get narratives that are fed to you by
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: bureaucrats and politicians.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: Or whatever little information that comes at you.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you know, and then there's this in
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: this country in particular, there's the right versus the left,
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: and the left will blame it on the right, and
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: the right will blame it on the left. And then
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: you know, everybody has these very convenient CNN, Fox News
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: narratives that they'll repeat at coffee, you know, coffee shops
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: and cocktail parties, and you pretend that you're making sense
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: out of this thing when you don't even really know
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: what's going on behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I really feel like I feel like a
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: lot of time we've been given a platform to talk,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: right with social media, like everyone can talk, and there's
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: a power to that, but there's also a big misuse
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: of it where you really don't know and you're not
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: the authority on perspective at all, because there is so
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: much that you would probably do not know of history
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: and the geography and of why people behave the way
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: the way they are behaving. So I like to unless
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: I'm the expert on something, which I'm not on anything
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: except my job, that too limited, you know, I just
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: try to kind of have a larger understanding from a
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: human perspective.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: That's a great sign of intelligence because there's no way
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: you can know everything about everything and with certain things,
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: especially a global conflicts, like what is happening? Like why
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: is this going on? Telling you about when I went
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: to the deep dive of the East India Corporation, I
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: never had any idea that they went to war with
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: China over opium.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, got them addicted first.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, got them addicted, went to war with China, stole
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: Hong Kong.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what the gravity of manipulation in human history
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: is insane, Like even when the East India Company, and
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: they started with trading with India too many many years ago.
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  Speaker 2: We just got innocent.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, completely, we're your friends where you know, allies. We're
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: friends with all the royalty in India, so many royals
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: in India and royal each state had their own kings
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: and princes and became friends with everyone. Started with tea,
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: started with trading tea and spices, and then just went
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: into you know, I mean, we got our independence in
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven, which was it's not even one hundred
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: years since we've got our independence. It's that recent. But
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: you think about just within the last century, there were
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: you know, signs which said Indians and dogs not allowed
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: in India by the British. Like within this century, indians
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: and dogs in India. Wow, isn't that crazy? Like and
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: this is like the this is not even like this
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: is the head of the iceberg. There's so much more
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: when you do a deep dive into the history of colonization,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: which is about This movie was also so interesting to
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: me because it touches on the themes of you know,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: the colonized and the story from their perspective, which is
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: like not a lot of what we hear No.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: Not not at all. I mean there's a lot of
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: great historical elements in that, just the the just the
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: pirate thing alone, the fact that most of the time
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: in human history, when a boat showed up, there was
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: a real fucking problem.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what real real pirates like we've gotten so
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 1: used to, you know, with the Disney version of the
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: and I love the Pirates of the Cribbean movies, don't
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: get me wrong. They're so fun. But like the pirate
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: jokes and whatever, but they were fucking brutal. They were murderers,
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: like horrific monster, hor horrible life.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Joke about that once, like why is it okay
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: to be a pirate for Halloween? You know, crazy it
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: is for little kids?
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a murderer, rapist.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, look at his little hook he lost his hand,
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: raping like this. I mean that was what the pirates were.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: They were horrific monsters and they would travel around the
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: world just stealing people stuff and killing everybody. Yeah, and
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: that happened for.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: Those and helping with colonization, yeah for years.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: And the fact that they were soldiers for the East
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: India Corporation, they were actually working for them to go
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: take over these areas.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: And the best soldiers from around the world, the best mercenaries,
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: murderers from around.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: The world, a larger army than most European countries.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, a corporation, yeah, and it's like an army.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah essentially. But started off just trading, just super innocent. Y.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: I'm your friend and I'm here for your band, and
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: they would be so respectful with you know, the former
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: kings and queens. And it's wild the manipulation of it.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also wild. How when you do have an
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: obligation to your shareholders and you do have this mandate
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: to just constantly make more money, the morals go out
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: the window and next thing you know, East in Da
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: Corporation is involved in slavery. Yah.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: They used to call it trade, divide and conquer, where
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: they would get all the princes of each state like
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: to fight amongst each other. So instead of India being
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: collective and together, she was like divided between everyone fighting
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: for each other so they could take over. It's like
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: mental games.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: Well that's what people think is going on in America
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: right now. I mean, I think that's the manipulation of
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: the right versus left here when most people of want
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: the same thing. They just want to be healthy and
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: safe and have their families healthy and safe.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: And do your job and come back home.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: That's what most people want. Yeah, but then the division
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: is like constantly in the news, it's constant struggle. It's
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: the only thing that you hear about. Yeah, we're both
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: dumb and stupid and.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: Smart, smart and stupid at the same.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: And stupid at the same time, but more dumb. And
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: that's the other thing about technology. It allows you to
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: stay dumb because everything's done for you. You don't really have
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: to think outside the box that much. Everything's kind of
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: laid out for you.
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if you think about AI and Hollywood, now
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: that's weird, right, It's like if you it's in writer's rooms,
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: it's used as a tool. But I was I was
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: listening to that podcast with Ben and Matt on your show,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: and you guys were talking about you know, the like basically,
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: everything that AI has or the information that it provides
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: to you is an average of everything that's out there, right,
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: so it will never be excellent because it's a it's
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: a it's the average of all the information out there.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: So it's like trying to do a median. But I'm
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: just thinking about how it's become a tool that is
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: going to exist in our world. Now. The question is
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: the morality of it and the lines that we draw
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: where we protect human beings and human contribution and are
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: able to delineate the difference between what is created by
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: AI and what is not, you know, and the need
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: for I think human flaws are something that I don't
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 1: know if AI will be able to recreate anytime soon,
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: and that, like in art, that's what you need, right.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll get fac similes, Yeah, get the real thing.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: It's like the hollowness of AI music. AI music is
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: really fun, but after a while you realize there's not
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: a dude singing this.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: And there's not like a soul to it. It's weird.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: It's empty.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so far, But who knows.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: That's the problem. It could figure out a way to
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: manipulate that part of your brain that reproduces whatever soulful
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: music is or whatever the soul is.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was thinking about like being an actor.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, is that going to be absolute obsolete
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: in the next like ten years. Are we going to
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 1: be watching?
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: Are we going to be watching like really good AI.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: Actors probably you know, until well to find a new job.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of people are going to
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: have to find a new job. I think live performances,
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: plays and musicals and stuff like that. People are always
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: going to want to see people do something live for sure. Yeah.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: Well when it comes to cinema, especially because I feel
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: like audiences also love larger than life cinema, right, Like
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: we go to the theaters to watch this like big shit.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: We loved when VFX came into movies. We love the
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: imagination being able to be so big. I do think
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: AI helps in a big way to take away the
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: burdens of you know, the minutia of things that we
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: might have to do as a tool, which it can
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: do like a breakdown of a script or whatever. But
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: I think when it comes to like creating the human
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: like human fragility of life and story, it is still
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: a little bit away from being able to do that.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's always going to be like pop. Yeah,
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: it's never going to create like taxi driver.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you need I mean, but I've you're wrong
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: about that too. Yeah, who knows, it might not even
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: matter by the time it starts taking over all of
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: our resources.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: I'm so curious actually to see how many conversations that everyone,
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: all of us have had about you know, this emergence
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 1: of AI and how that like stays ten years later.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: Are we like this did this age?
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: Well? Probably?
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: Did I know what I was talking about?
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: We probably have no idea what's going going to be?
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 2: You'll have any idea.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: About this, like where we would be right now?
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 2: It might be Doctor Manhattan floating over the country telling
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 2: us what to do.
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's possible.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but thank you for being here. I
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: really enjoyed it. It was a really fun conversation, and I
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: really enjoyed your movie. It was crazy violent. I didn't
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: expect that, but very exciting and very good.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you for taking me around the world and everywhere else.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: We time traveled, we talked about the whole world. We
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: went into the sty we went into the future. It
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: was awesome.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: Well, congratulations to you and continued success.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Jank you.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you all right,