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Kirk Franklin On GloRilla Collab Backlash, Druski's Mega-Church Skits, & Toxic Church Culture · The Baller Alert Show

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  Speaker 1: This has been one of my favorite interviews.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie.
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  Speaker 3: This has been one of my favorite interviews.
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  Speaker 2: Normally it's me crying and.
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  Speaker 1: Wari was in here being tragic. You got my co-host
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  Speaker 1: in here crying.
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  Speaker 4: Come on, man.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about my grandma and my daughters and my wife.
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  Speaker 1: Tears going to fall. I feel like your music reaches
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  Speaker 1: people in the church, but also reaches people who don't
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  Speaker 1: really go to church as much that want to go
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  Speaker 1: to church and is trying to live and work on themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Is that intentional?
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's intentionally me. Okay. It's intentionally me, you know?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we can't determine always what a song is
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  Speaker 5: going to do.
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  Speaker 6: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: So I know when my grandma passed away, I... It's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, big energy.
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  Speaker 5: This is good, man. This is so good. This is
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  Speaker 5: so good, man. Thank you, God, for this. No, man,
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  Speaker 5: I think that... If you guys would allow me to, man,
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  Speaker 5: because y'all have really been a blessing. And I think
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  Speaker 5: the impact that y'all have on culture, your transparency, which
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  Speaker 5: is so strong and powerful. Just know that that was
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  Speaker 5: very masculine of you. It was very strong of you
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  Speaker 5: because black men have forgotten how to shed tears. Facts. Facts.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And to do it amongst, like, to even be in.
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  Speaker 5: The presence of. There's no capping that at all. Black
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  Speaker 5: men have forgotten. We have forgotten how to shed teeth
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  Speaker 5: because we can't let you see that. There's so many,
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  Speaker 5: it's so many gospel artists that I really want people
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  Speaker 5: to be put on about because, yo, it's hot on
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  Speaker 5: the block. It's hot on the block. And whatever you need,
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  Speaker 5: whatsoever you need, it's out there. Ain't nobody doing that.
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  Speaker 5: But imagine if every person on this planet, if you
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  Speaker 5: saw somebody that irked you or somebody you disagree with,
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  Speaker 5: Every day for just five minutes, you just took a
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  Speaker 5: moment just to pray for them. Right. Bro, can you
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  Speaker 5: imagine how we would see the power of God move
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  Speaker 5: in people's lives? Because we are now being like him
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  Speaker 5: on the earth. We're being like him. You want to
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  Speaker 5: be like Christ? Pray for somebody. What's up, beautiful people?
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  Speaker 5: This is Kirk Franklin. I'm coming up next, y'all, on
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  Speaker 5: The Baller Alert. Let's go.
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  Speaker 7: Push up in the Robert with your Robert and your
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  Speaker 7: Welcome to the greatest show on earth Yeah, it's the
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  Speaker 7: baller alert Welcome to the greatest show on earth Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: it's the baller alert Yeah, it's the baller alert Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: it's the baller alert.
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  Speaker 1: Broadcasted live from the Nagle Law Firm Studios. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the Baller Show. My name is Ferrari Simmons.
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  Speaker 3: My name is, you know, BT. B.
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  Speaker 5: Caleb. Kirk Franklin in the building.
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  Speaker 6: Now, you said you don't consider yourself the goat.
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  Speaker 3: You're the.
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  Speaker 5: I'm the alpaca.
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  Speaker 3: The alpaca.
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  Speaker 4: I like that.
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  Speaker 5: Have you ever seen an alpaca? Have you, like, seen
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  Speaker 5: the animal, the alpaca?
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  Speaker 1: I have never seen the animal, but I've seen... No,
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen it in real life. That's a real animal?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It looks like an awkward goat.
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  Speaker 7: Facts.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like an awkward goat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here it is right here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, look at it. It looks very comfortable.
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 3: It looks very comfortable. Very demure.
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  Speaker 1: Like a giraffe goat.
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  Speaker 3: A giraffe and a goat.
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  Speaker 2: It's noticeable.
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  Speaker 5: It's a jagote.
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  Speaker 3: It's a jagote.
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  Speaker 1: A jagote.
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  Speaker 5: A giraffe goat. It's a jagote. Jagote. Yeah. And basically,
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  Speaker 5: you know, for me, well, first of all, I do
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  Speaker 5: it trying to be funny. But, you know, I think that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, that what I love about the alpaca is that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, he don't really know where he fit in.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, should I be over here with the sheep?
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  Speaker 5: Should I be over here with whatever? And I think
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  Speaker 5: for me, I'm okay not knowing. And I'm cool with that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm really cool showing up and being wherever they put me.
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  Speaker 5: Wherever they put me, I'll show.
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  Speaker 1: I love your energy, man. Speaking of energy, this is
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  Speaker 1: big energy.
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  Speaker 3: Kayla.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: She has some twins.
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  Speaker 1: She has some twins on the way.
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  Speaker 3: Twins.
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  Speaker 1: Twin boys, y'all. We rely on her for our spiritual
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  Speaker 1: context a lot because sometimes me and this guy, we
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  Speaker 1: get a little out of hand.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, like that time y'all were with me.
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  Speaker 4: At BET Awards.
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  Speaker 5: Y'all got out of hand.
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  Speaker 6: No, that was really, we only went viral because of
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  Speaker 6: your response.
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  Speaker 1: I asked the question.
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  Speaker 5: You highlighted a word.
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  Speaker 1: I repeated the word.
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  Speaker 5: It was y'all's fault. It was y'all's fault.
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  Speaker 3: And keep in mind, it's our first time meeting, so
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  Speaker 3: we like... Oh, we like, oh.
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  Speaker 5: You know what?
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  Speaker 2: Going off of that, though, honestly, that's something I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to ask you because I feel like when people put
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  Speaker 2: you in more of a revered spiritual position, sometimes they
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  Speaker 2: lack understanding for the fact that you're still human. So
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  Speaker 2: how do you navigate that space?
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  Speaker 5: By doing exactly what I do. I move in ways
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  Speaker 5: that I do want to kind of throw you off
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  Speaker 5: to get you to understand. that that platform is only
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  Speaker 5: worthy of one person. It's only worthy of one person.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that that has been also to the
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  Speaker 5: demise of people's own Christian goals of Christian faith or
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  Speaker 5: spiritual faith is because a lot of times the leaders
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  Speaker 5: love that energy. They love you to put them there.
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  Speaker 5: And so the problem is, is that the higher I
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  Speaker 5: allow you to put me, the further it is for
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  Speaker 5: me to fall when I do. I stay low when
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  Speaker 5: I do have a humble moment and have a mistake.
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  Speaker 5: All it is is a trip. Because I never let
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  Speaker 5: you get me too high. And so I love staying
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  Speaker 5: low because, first of all, the attention deserves to be
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  Speaker 5: on God and his glory. And so for me, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that's how I try my best to move.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that because I feel like your
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  Speaker 1: music reaches people in the church but also reaches people
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  Speaker 1: who don't really go to church as much that want
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  Speaker 1: to go to church and is trying to live and
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  Speaker 1: work on themselves.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is that intentional?
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's intentionally me. It's intentionally me. We can't determine
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  Speaker 5: always what a song is going to do. Just because
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  Speaker 5: you put a sample to a song doesn't mean it goes.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody knows that all of it is in the sovereign
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  Speaker 5: hand of the Lord. We just try to be available.
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  Speaker 5: My purpose as a Christian is to just want to
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  Speaker 5: be focused to give God glory, share my mistakes, share
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  Speaker 5: my flaws, share my failures so people can see themselves
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  Speaker 5: in my journey, and to be able to believe, well,
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  Speaker 5: if God has given that brother at their grace, he
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  Speaker 5: sure got some room for me. And so that's how
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  Speaker 5: I try to rock, and I try to maneuver so
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  Speaker 5: that people can see me, you know, as twin. As twin.
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  Speaker 1: Your energy is so great. That's why I got mad.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to bring it up.
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  Speaker 5: You can bring it up whenever you want to bring
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  Speaker 5: it up.
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  Speaker 1: But I got mad on your behalf when I was like,
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  Speaker 1: when you put Glorilla on the new record. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, why can't he put Glorilla.
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  Speaker 4: On the record?
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  Speaker 5: Facts. Facts.
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  Speaker 1: Because your energy says, okay, that was your choice.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. And the girl's name is Gloria. Hallelujah.
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  Speaker 6: Hello.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't say that. You didn't say that.
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  Speaker 6: Hello.
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  Speaker 1: I did say that on the radio.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you did say that.
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  Speaker 5: And her background is church. Church.
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  Speaker 1: Her whole family's background is church.
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  Speaker 5: All the time. Like, she knows more about gospel music
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  Speaker 5: than the average Joe. And I love, I saw recently
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  Speaker 5: that she posted something in a car.
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  Speaker 3: She did.
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  Speaker 5: And nobody told her to do that. She just had
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  Speaker 5: like a little spiritual nugget that she wanted to do.
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  Speaker 5: Just talking about God.
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  Speaker 7: Right, right.
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  Speaker 5: And that's why you can't monitor people's journey. You know
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  Speaker 5: what I'm saying? You can't micromanage people's process. Yeah. You
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  Speaker 5: know what I mean? Like, I can't come in and say,
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  Speaker 5: if you're having twins, you should look different now. You know,
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  Speaker 5: you should look basically like. that's my stomach.
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  Speaker 8: You don't know yeah yeah how you how you gonna
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  Speaker 8: micromanage my pregnancy yes you know and i think that
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  Speaker 8: when it comes man man man man that analogy is
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  Speaker 8: so fire because it is we're all.
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  Speaker 5: Giving birth to something right and if we don't allow
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  Speaker 5: the the the creator when we don't allow god himself
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  Speaker 5: to do the process and the delivery we can also
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  Speaker 5: mess up the process of the Mm-hmm. You know what
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  Speaker 5: I mean? Like, if she went to the doctor and
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  Speaker 5: tried to rush that delivery, she could hurt what's inside
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  Speaker 5: of her.
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  Speaker 8: Correct.
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  Speaker 4: For sure.
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  Speaker 5: And so we got to allow people to go through
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  Speaker 5: the process. Because if we don't, if we try to
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  Speaker 5: come in and judge that process, we can mess up
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  Speaker 5: their delivery.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: 100%.
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  Speaker 6: Do you think it's a lot of people that do
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  Speaker 6: get judged in church? Because I feel like sometimes people...
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  Speaker 6: that are very involved in the church can be the
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  Speaker 6: most judgmental people.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. First of all, leave that jacket. The
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  Speaker 5: jacket is fire. Second of all, I think that it's
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  Speaker 5: just very important to understand that everybody has a right
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  Speaker 5: to judge. When the Bible talks about judging, it's talking
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  Speaker 5: about a godly judgment, meaning that if I see you
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  Speaker 5: in a position that's not best for you, and if
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  Speaker 5: I say to you, hey, brother, you know, that could
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  Speaker 5: hurt you, I'm making a judgment to win you back.
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  Speaker 5: I'm trying to win you back. And the Bible judgment
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  Speaker 5: was to be able to lovingly address something to win
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  Speaker 5: you back, not to push you away. And the way
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  Speaker 5: that we judge within Christian culture, within the West, is
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  Speaker 5: that it's always condemning. There's a condemning connotation to it.
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  Speaker 5: And that is not biblical centric. That's not the judgment
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  Speaker 5: that God's word has really revealed to us to be
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  Speaker 5: able to maneuver with humans. But we all make judgments.
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  Speaker 5: You made a judgment on that jacket. This jacket is fire.
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  Speaker 5: That was a judgment. So we all judge. But it's like,
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  Speaker 5: what is the heart and intent and the motive behind
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  Speaker 5: your judgment? Is it to win? Because the Bible says
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  Speaker 5: he who wins a soul is wise. And so if
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  Speaker 5: you condemning people, throwing people away, that ain't winning nobody.
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  Speaker 3: Now, what do you think about super churches?
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  Speaker 4: You landed that plane.
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  Speaker 3: He landed that plane.
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like, sorry, I didn't mean to cut
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  Speaker 2: you off.
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  Speaker 5: You don't want the babies, you go first. For sure.
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  Speaker 2: He said it, not me. But do you feel like
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  Speaker 2: navigating your relationship with like discovering the truth about your
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  Speaker 2: biological father and then navigating your relationship with your mother,
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  Speaker 2: do you feel like that has expanded your your bandwidth
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  Speaker 2: on like spiritually like how you forgive and how you
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  Speaker 2: show up in that sense.
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  Speaker 5: Um those things are still a work in progress yeah
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  Speaker 5: and i must be candid you know.
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  Speaker 2: I like that i i didn't ask for any of
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  Speaker 2: that you.
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  Speaker 5: Know i was a kid i didn't ask for that
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  Speaker 5: so Once again, there will be some people that will say, well,
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  Speaker 5: you should be over this. Of course, you should be forgiven.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, once again, you are monitoring my process.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And if you took that energy and monitored your growth,
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  Speaker 5: that is where we would be better believers in the
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  Speaker 5: body of Christ. It's that if you're so busy looking
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  Speaker 5: what's on my stove and how I'm cooking, you're going
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  Speaker 5: to burn what you're cooking. because you're not paying attention
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  Speaker 5: what god is trying to prepare in you yes and
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  Speaker 5: so the issue with my mother my father will probably
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  Speaker 5: forever be a a burden and a cross that i
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  Speaker 5: have to care for the rest of my life but
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  Speaker 5: i'm okay with that because everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Caring something i think that's what i love about knowing
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  Speaker 2: and discovering that about you like how you say the
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  Speaker 2: twin effect of just like People, how much glory and
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  Speaker 2: faithfulness and just like resilience that you carry in your
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  Speaker 2: spirit to know that you're carrying that cross on your back.
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  Speaker 2: But you're still showing the effort to, you know, bear
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  Speaker 2: forgiveness and like show up and then being candid. Like
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  Speaker 2: I'm not all the way there. I think I think
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  Speaker 2: people need to see and hear that because sometimes there's
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  Speaker 2: a discouragement of like once you find something out, you
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  Speaker 2: got to just get over it.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, in it. And that heartbreaking is because forgiveness is free,
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  Speaker 5: but trust is earned. Yes. And we can't manage the
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  Speaker 5: process of our hearts. Our hearts move at the pace
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  Speaker 5: that our hearts move.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: You know, and that's why I think it's so important. Like,
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  Speaker 5: can you imagine how beautiful all of it would be
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  Speaker 5: is that if every day somebody that you didn't really
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  Speaker 5: care for, you took five minutes just to pray for them.
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  Speaker 5: Ain't nobody doing that.
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  Speaker 3: Ain't nobody doing that.
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  Speaker 6: Nah.
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  Speaker 5: Ain't nobody doing that. But imagine if every person on
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  Speaker 5: this planet, if you saw somebody that irked you or
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  Speaker 5: somebody you disagree with, every day for just five minutes,
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  Speaker 5: you just took a moment just to pray for them. Right. Bro,
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  Speaker 5: can you imagine how we would see the power of
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  Speaker 5: God move in people's lives? Because we are now being
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  Speaker 5: like him on the earth. We're being like him. You
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  Speaker 5: want to be like Christ? Pray for somebody. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Because it's so mean out here.
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  Speaker 1: It's so mean and heartless.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody trying to make it. Everybody trying to survive right now.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you're stepping on top of people to get to your.
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  Speaker 4: That's good.
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  Speaker 6: And I feel like everybody's traumatized.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, that's so good. Even religious trauma. Yes. Even religious trauma.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Even religious trauma. Like, let's tell somebody how in my generation...
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  Speaker 5: And you know what? There probably are some churches that
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  Speaker 5: do it. And ain't nothing about the Bible. Ain't nothing
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  Speaker 5: about it rooted in the word. It's just black culture.
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  Speaker 5: If a girl... If a single woman, a single young
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  Speaker 5: woman got pregnant at church, she had to stand up
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  Speaker 5: in front of the church and acknowledge her sin. And
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  Speaker 5: if she was serving, like if she was in a
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  Speaker 5: choir or like on some service in the church, then
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  Speaker 5: she'd have to sit down until she had that baby.
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  Speaker 5: That's traumatic. Can you imagine that young lady having to
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  Speaker 5: stand up in front of the church and confess her
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  Speaker 5: sins while the nigga that got her pregnant on the Oregon?
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  Speaker 5: He's still playing.
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  Speaker 2: He's still playing.
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  Speaker 5: He's still playing for the church. That's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: church culture that happened in a lot of churches in
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  Speaker 5: my generation. That's traumatic to that generation.
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  Speaker 3: That is traumatic.
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  Speaker 6: You couldn't even imagine how somebody would feel And some
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  Speaker 6: people be strangers at church. So it's like getting up
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  Speaker 6: in front of a group of strangers and talking about,
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  Speaker 6: you know, something in your life that's not their business.
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  Speaker 5: And you trying to figure out, you trying to figure out,
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  Speaker 5: it's like, man, I got a baby now. How am
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  Speaker 5: I going to, that church need to be covering you.
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  Speaker 5: They need to get rid of one of them Bentleys.
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  Speaker 5: And now we're going to raise the money to go, okay,
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  Speaker 5: this baby is going to go to college. It's what
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  Speaker 5: we're going to do, church. It's what we're going to do, church.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to come. We're going to, you know. No.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought up the Bentley part because. We
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  Speaker 3: talked to Ty Tribute. We talked to Ty.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked to Ty Tribute.
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  Speaker 6: And I was so curious because I was like, man,
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  Speaker 6: how do we go to churches and we see mega
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  Speaker 6: churches and we see these pastors who are multimillionaires and
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  Speaker 6: then you have people in their church that's struggling.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That don't get the help that they need.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But the pastor drives off into Bentley.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody from church might have to get an Uber back home.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. That is very difficult. And shout out to
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  Speaker 5: Ty Trippett. He's the homie. I love him, man. He's
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: an incredible gift, incredible artist. Yeah, and that is a
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: very painful reality that when people ask me how did
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: I feel about the Drewski skit, About the pastors My
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: response is Let's stop giving him content.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: That's deep Because he had to get that from somewhere.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: He had to get it from somewhere Let's stop giving
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: him content Yeah Let's stop giving him content Because he's
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: only mirroring something he.
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: Saw And it's on social Like social media is making
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: It's a monster It's different because I would never have
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: known that a lot of these pastors have this type
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: of wealth if it wasn't from them flaunting it on
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: social media. You know, like people doing ceremonies and they
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: got Gucci jackets on and I'm over here like, bro,
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: somebody at your church is starving.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: 100%.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Your jacket is $ 20, 000. Preach, man.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: Preach. I'm confused.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: How old are you?
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: 32. 32? um were you raised in church.
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: I my family was into church um i was raised
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: in church a little bit i just couldn't really get
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: into the fact of it was just so much judgmental be.
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: Kindest be kindest i want to learn yeah like.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: It's it was just too much judgment judgment in church
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: in the sense of like we supposed to be talking
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: about god but we talking about man you know such
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: and such lights got cut off and.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: I'm like what are we talking about this at.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: Church for like Yeah, you know this person, they lost
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: their job, and this person is on fire.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: And I'm hearing all these things in church.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: So it kind of made me feel like maybe I
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: wasn't in the right different churches that I went to,
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: but it just kind of made me be like, I
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: don't want to be.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Around this type of energy.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Because we ain't talking about God.
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: We talking about the poverty that we all living in.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: We all broke. That was really your experience?
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: That was my experience, you know, going to church.
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: And then, like I said, you see the pastor drive
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: off in a nice car, and then everybody else is struggling.
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: And then the pastor's like, don't worry about what the
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: pastor's doing.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? With these offerings and stuff
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: that we're giving.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: You would hear that?
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: Yes. That's heartbreaking.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: These are things that I experienced.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: That is heartbreaking. And let me say to you, man,
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: I am very sorry for... for experiences that you and
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: many others have had. And it's traumatizing. It paints a
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: horrible picture on the heart of God. It paints a
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: horrible picture for the representation of our Lord and Savior,
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: Jesus Christ. And I would just lovingly, man, just encourage you,
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: please don't give up on God because of that foolishness.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: No, I never gave up on God.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: I just learned how to do my own worship in
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: my own space and not feel like, you know, we
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: all being judged in the environment.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: And I want you to know again, I'm sorry for,
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: but I'm, I'm telling you as OG, that break my heart, bro.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: That break my, it's because you know how many incredible
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: young black men that we've lost and turned away because
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: of that story.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: No, for sure.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Many.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: And, you know, and, and, and, you know, and, and,
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: and while I got the power of the microphone, shout
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: out to the churches that are doing it right. You
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying? Shout out to the Philip Anthony
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Mitchells and, uh, you know, you know, and there's Daniels and, uh,
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: and the Charlie Dates of the world. And, you know,
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: there's some, you know, there's some young homies out there
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: doing it right. And they ain't about that whoop-de-whoop. You
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying? They really about that life, you know,
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: and you can pull up and feel it. And so, man,
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: but you know, man, but to all the young black
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: brothers that we've lost, like this king sitting across from me,
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: just hear from OG, man, I am so sorry that
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: you have had that experience. And I just pray, man,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: that you don't give up. It's just like bad police,
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: you know, just, you know, just because there's some bad ones,
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: just understand stopping at that red light, still save your life.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? There's some bad police, but
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: that's stopping at that red light, still say, you know,
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: meaning the system and the purpose of the system still
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: is important. Stopping at that red light to save your life.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: Just because of some bad police, don't, don't start running
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: red lights. You know what I'm saying? You know, you know,
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: I don't trust the police. I ain't gonna trust this light.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: You may you know i'm saying you know you you
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: may not want to align them both together even though
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: they come from the same system and so that would
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: be my loving word of encouragement for anybody who has
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: had that type of pain because that pain is real
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: and again i'm very sorry for your experience.
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah it's definitely traumatizing but yes i know it is
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: but i also understand that like everything ain't for everybody
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: like i can go on youtube and And give my service.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: Like, I could do things in my personal space.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: To make me feel good. That is true.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Rather than being like, I got to go here in
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: order to get my praise.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: That is true. Like, you know, like, the only thing
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: I would say, if you don't mind me saying humbly,
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: is that there is, when you find the right place,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: there is something powerful just about the link up. Me
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: being like, I could have Zoomed you to do this,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: But it ain't as powerful as this. You know what
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: I'm saying? And that's my humble opinion. I'm not trying to.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: No, I agree. I agree 100%.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: There's something powerful about us all pulling up because let's
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: say you go to a good, healthy church, right? It's
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: something dope about, well, if I'm weak in something that
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: day that you're strong in, it's something dope about me
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: being next to you and you saying to me, get up.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: Get up. You can do this.
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: Get up.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? And next Sunday, it may
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: be you. And I'm like, get up. Get up. Come on.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: Come on. Come on.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: Come on.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: Let's go to Alton and we're going to pray. You know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: there's something powerful about that. When you're at the crib
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: and you're draws watching it, you know, and you ain't
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: got nobody next to you to be able to grab
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: your arm and be like, hey, hey, hey, we can. Hey,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: you made it last month. We, you know, we're going
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: to make it this month. There's something powerful about that. So,
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: you know, I just want people to know that if
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: you find the right place, it's the right thing.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I think that I had a similar experience, too, like
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: with my... Not to be... negative towards anybody but like
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: with my daughter's father when we were first together I
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: was like my first experience ever joining a church and
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: like really getting close to God and I got very
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: discouraged and not only that relationship but just the environment
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: of church in the way that I was introduced and
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: then when my grandfather passed in 2019 it was like
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: God just got me to himself and I remember like
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: God's your music your music I used to listen to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: it and like something about the name of Jesus. Like
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, like I used to just have it
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: on repeat, have it on repeat, have it on repeat.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: And then finally, God spoke to me one day and
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: he told me to travel to go to Stephen Furtick's church.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: Stephen Furtick's dope.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: And when I tell you everything that could have possibly
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: went wrong down to My car had went out. The
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: oil from my sister's oil needed to be changed.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: We were going, you know, we just two girls trying
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: to drive. So we like, man, we can't go. And
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I called him the one who I felt like I
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: had been led astray by my expectations for him and
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: his humanity that I had like I had not had
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: an equal understanding of my relationship with God, just me
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: and him.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I called him.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm thinking he's going to say no. I'm like, listen,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I have to take your truck. Like, God is calling
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: me here. And I go there, and then T.D. Jakes
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: was actually a guest pastor that day. We get there.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: They close. Like, I'm talking about I'm literally at the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: front door. They close it off. They say we at capacity.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And I look to my sister. She's like, you want
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: to go home? I'm like, no. He told me to
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: do something. I'm like, I got to go back to him.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I have to go back to him. And so we go.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: We go to the second service. We get there. They're
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: in the middle of it. I'm like... It's okay. We're
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: just going to catch what we need to catch here.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: But it's funny because that sermon was for her. We start,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: they go to, we stay for the next service after that. Man,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: how about the first thing? Listen, it was something God
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: was calling me. I didn't know I was, like I
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: was supposed to be there, but I knew I was
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: supposed to be there, if that makes any sense. Like
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't know the why, but I knew that I
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: needed to be there. And so the first thing he
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: starts talking about is how he lost his grandmother. And
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: like I told you, I had been led back to
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: God after losing my grandfather.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: When I tell you I wept in that church, that's
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: where I found God.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: That's where I found God in that moment. But like you,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I was scared to go back because I'm like, they're
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: going to shun me. My relationship with my daughter's father
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: didn't work. We're not married. I'm a baby mom. Like,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you know, all of those things. But I learned so
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: much strength by finding God by myself so that people
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: could not lead me astray from God no more.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: I love that. I love that. Let me ask you
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: three of this, man. You know, as young kings and queens,
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: when you hear.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: A record like glow and me, do you feel, do you,
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: do you feel that there's like, do you feel that
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: that music helps people?
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: We feed the ground though. We're a little bit more
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: down to earth.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: We're amongst each other.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: And I wanted to add to, I didn't have this
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: experience at all with church. I had a very prayerful grandmother.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: She went to church every Sunday and my mom didn't
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: go to church every Sunday.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: But she prayed every day. She still prayed all the time.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: So I had prayer in my life. And I grew
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: up with people praying for me every day.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: So I know when my grandma passed away, I... It's okay.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Come on, be in it. This is good, man.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: This is so good. This is so good, man. Thank you, God,
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: for this really loving environment, man.
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: I knew the person that prayed for me every day
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: is gone now. And it's just my mom and my dad, Kudo.
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: But when my grandma left, my soul felt different.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: Because I knew it was someone that prayed for me
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: every day when they opened their eyes.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: And when she left, I just knew that that person
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: was gone because it's so cold.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: In this world.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: That's why I'm such an asshole and I don't know
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: if I'm mean or I'm just very aggressive.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: But I'm very soft when it comes to my family.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: And my friends.
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: That's why I don't like making friends.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I don't want to make friends because I don't want
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: you to see that side of me.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Wow, that's powerful.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Because the side that you see of me, I got
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to get some money.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I got five kids and a wife.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Powerful.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: I got bills to pay.
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: My overhead is very expensive every month.
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: But. I grew up with prayer, and I know prayer
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: works because I was taught to pray.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: And I can tell when other people aren't taught to pray.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Because I can see how they handle conflict.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: Facts.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: They have a conflict incorrectly.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Facts.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Well, sometimes it's really a prayer and a couple of
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: steps back.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Facts. Facts.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: With all the violence going on.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: Facts.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: You know, the beautiful thing, though, is that about God
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: is all of them prayers that she prayed, like, that's
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: what my life was like sitting in solace with God.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: He was just praying, praying, praying, praying. I've never opened
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: up a Bible, you know, like, I just prayed, like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I just called out to him, I just talked to him,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I talked through it, and, like, one thing I can
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: say is them prayers I prayed back then, they carry
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: me through seasons that I go through now. Like, I
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: know when I talk to God, like, I know I
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: prayed for this seven, eight, nine, ten years ago, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: and I've talked prayer life in my family now like
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: when I just went to trial when you just talked
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: about I prayed the minute we came out the courtroom
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: and I knew it was already doing not that everything's
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: going to go exactly the way you think but I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: know it's going to go the way that it's intended
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to go and I trust God so much that I
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: make peace with that now so I say all that
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: to say even with you and your grandmother like the
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: things that she had made peace with God about now
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: are the things that are going to be revolutionary in
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: your life for seasons to come just because she was
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: praying so you lost her in the physical But her
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: essence will never leave your spirit simply because she already
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: planted those seeds in her prayers.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Yo, man, I think that if you guys would allow
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: me to, man, because y'all have really been a blessing.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: And I think the impact that y'all have on culture,
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: your transparency, which is so strong and powerful. Just know
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: that that was very masculine of you. It was very
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: strong of you because... Black men have forgotten how to
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: shed tears. Facts. Facts.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: And to do it amongst, like, to.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: Even be in the first... There's no capping that at all.
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: No.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: Black men have forgotten. We have forgotten how to shed
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: tears because we can't let you see that. Yes. We
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: can't let you see it because it has been used
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: against us so much.
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: And we can't allow.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: We're traumatized into saying if we feel emotions, then we're
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: not a man. Yeah. Yeah. And you've been taught that
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: your whole life. That's why.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: You, a young black man as a kid, anytime you cry, boy,
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: you better not cry.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: They changed for me when I had a daughter, though.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: God blessed me by having four daughters.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: I've turned into a boy. Marshmallow.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Yes. That's a lot. That's a lot to have in
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: your house.
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: Marshmallow.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Four daughters and a white boy. That's a lot going
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: on in your house.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: I got to deal with so many emotions.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: That's a lot of emotions.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: But I also learned how to be emotional, which is
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: very important.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: That's beautiful.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: That's beautiful.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Because they're a safe place for you, too.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Man, you know, man, would you guys be comfortable, man,
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: would y'all allow me, man, to just pray?
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: Or just, you know, just for the kings watching.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: The reason why we're happy because this is what we
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: do with her.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: This is what I do.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: She does this with us.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Now we got the alpaca.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: The alpaca.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: The alpaca is in the building.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: The awkward goat. Yeah. Awkward goat.
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: Man.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: Man, father. How beautiful. it is that we can feel
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: you in this room and we can see you show
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: up like this. Because, God, we understand that this also
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: is church. This room right now is turned into a sanctuary.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: This is a church. And we are all just blown
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: away at how beautiful you've shown up here today. We
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: give you the glory. It's about you, you the VIP,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: you the star, you the headliner. And we just come because, Lord,
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: we know a lot of people are hurting and need you. Lord,
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: I thank you for this young king that has showed
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: us that the liquid from his eyes is the power
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: that can break chains. And so there's some young soldiers
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: and young queens watching this right now that are facing
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: some heavy obstacles in life. Some of them are mad
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: at you. Some of them are confused by you. Some
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: of them are lost. Some of them in I feel
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: like no prayer has been answered. Father, let this be
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: a moment right now in your name, Jesus, that you
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: do something so supernatural within their generation because these are
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: the leaders and the voices of their generation. Use these
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: three right now, Father, to do something that is unorthodox,
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: that is not traditional, that will bring you glory. And
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: as it brings you glory, something deep will even happen
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: in them. Lord, and those that have created these shields
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: that don't allow their emotions and their heart to be shown, Father,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: start breaking them chains. Let them know. Let them know
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: that there is healing in their honesty. Let them know
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: that when they cry out, when they let that liquid
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: fall from their eyes, that that has power to do
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: the impossible. And, Father, right now we know that the
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: world is crazy and it's cold out here. Would you please,
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: please show up? and let us see you. Do something
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: that is undeniable to let their generation know that you real.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: Not another church service, not another offering, not another whoop-de-whoop
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: that may be, but something that will make the credit,
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: not go to man, but go to you. And I'm
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: asking this in your name, Jesus, I pray. Amen.
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: Amen.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Now that we got that out of the way, Are
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: me and Plies twins?
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: That's how I thought he was about to do that.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: I'm always ready.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: I'm always ready. Are you ready for this one?
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: They really say you and Plies are twins?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, they always put the little.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: So is Plies the evil twin?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: That's what they would say, I guess. That's what they
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: would say.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I do have a question, though.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: What's your question?
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Would you be down to do a versus? We talked
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to Timberland a month ago.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: I did a versus before.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: I did a versus before.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: But....
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: When Versus was doing what it was doing during the COVID,
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: I did one with the legend Fred Hammond.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: We need the concert.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Now that it's non-COVID.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: We need the concert.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Would you be down to do another one?
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: I think other gospel artists deserve a chance. You know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: here's the thing right now, man. I want people to know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: and I'm so glad I got this opportunity to say this.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: I want the culture to know there are other gospel artists.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: I said, There are other gospel artists that are cold.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: Who? Oh, man.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: Where my mic at? Man, please. Chandler Moore is a beast.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: There's a young, young named Chandler Moore. Jonathan McReynolds. Daryl Rawls.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: Kiara Sheard. Jaqueline Carr. Tasha Cobbs Leonard. Man, it's so many, right?
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: It's so many. Hitters, bro. Maverick City. It's just so many. Bro, bro, bro.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: It's just so many. So many. Even in Christian hip hop,
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: it's so many.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: On top of Lecrae, 1K Few.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of that.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: All of that.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Man, I'm telling you, there are so many. And, man,
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: my desire is to bring as much attention on all
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: of these incredible young artists that have found. Pastor Mike Jr.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: He don't.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: It's so many. It's so many gospel artists that I
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: really want people to be put on about because, yo,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: It's hot on the block. It's hot on the block.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: And whatever you need, whatsoever you need, it's out there.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: What about a Kirk Franklin and Friends? That could be
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: how you fellowship that kind of like.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: Oh, you mean the verses?
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: No, not even a verse. It's a concert where you
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: bring fellowship to every person, you know, who can possibly
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: attain that you just brought up. But Kirk Franklin and Friends, like,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you know, they do festivals like that all the time.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Why not for a gospel?
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I did try to do a festival before.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: I had my own little music festival. You know, we
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: just got to get the word out. You know, like
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: gospel music, is in a place right now but think
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: about when you were coming up your mama had bobby
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: jones gospel like you had spots where you could see
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: it right now they're not out they're not a lot
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: of outlets i think about how many gospel artists have
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: the privilege of being on the bottle alert you know
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: what i mean yeah yeah you know.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: You know so it's like you guys that's where us
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: we fellowship is pushing.
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: That but you know what it's it's interesting because i
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: feel like people like you, people like Todd Tribute, I
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: feel like y'all understand the two different worlds and y'all
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: know how to bridge the gap. Because when anytime you
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: show up, we like, we still surprise you here.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I got emailed and it
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: was like, Kurt Frank, I put it in the chat.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: We had a big chat.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: You don't see our whole staff here?
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, now they shocked. Why? Why? Why they shocked? Like
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: they wouldn't think that I would come?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's just like you're a mythical figure sometimes.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I think it's a stigma that's present in the culture
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: as though because like, you know, certain things like even
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: you putting glow on the record and then the stigma,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the people who come out the woodworks feeling like it's
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: not spiritual, but like God bless you both with talent.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: And so for you to combine that into one thing,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: into fellowship and reach different people who need to hear
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: that record, her platform, your platform and put it together,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: they don't see the big picture of it. So I
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: think more than anything, it's the stigma that's present, because
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: to be honest, it's not two different worlds. We all
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: exist in the same frequency and the same love is God.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I would say algorithm.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Right.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: So when you put the record out with GLOW, You're
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: reaching algorithm outside of just gospel music. And I feel
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: like that's a lot of times when you said it
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: seems like you're the only one.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Well, you've been around for so long. Like you've been
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: a part of all of our childhood.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: 74 years.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: 74. It was a joke. It was a joke that
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: didn't land well. It didn't land well.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: You know, I was.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: Like, I was like, hold on now. I was trying to,
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: I was going to start Googling real quick.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Hold on, we didn't get that in footnotes.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: Go on, go on, finish. Yeah, yeah.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: You've been around for a long time.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: You've had a lot of longevity in this industry, but
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: you've always known how to bridge the algorithms. Yeah.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Because there's people, I'm telling you now.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: We're no longer saying the gap now. We're saying the algorithm.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: The algorithm. That's why I took a joke. Because, yeah,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: super different. Because, you know, used to bridge the gap,
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: but now you're bridging the algorithm. Well, then I need
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: to try to do a better job of bringing people
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: in my community who can bridge the algorithm.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Well, you need to educate them because I think that
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: what you do.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: Teach me, teach me.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: Like... you should educate them on how you, you're doing
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: a press run, right?
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: With a hip hop artist.
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: You know how many people, when you did that post-collab,
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: that may not know who you are? Like younger people.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: And then now they get a chance to look at
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: your catalog. And then now when they go tell their mom,
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: their mom is putting them on. So now you're touching
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: two different generations. And a lot of gospel artists.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Don't know how to market.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: Right. You know what? Let me, ah, see, now he
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: in some deep water right there. That's good, because I
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: love the young minds. Like, I love being around people
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: younger than me because I love to learn. I'm a student. Like,
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: every time I'm around, like, young, young, young, young thinkers,
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: it's like, you know? But, but, but, but the other
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: challenge is the lack of opportunity. See, see, see, some
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: of what I'm blessed to do is, like you said,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: What God has blessed me to do. See, if I
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: can just really be real honest about one important thing
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: I got to say. My God, I didn't know what
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: I was doing. All these years, this wasn't no plan.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: You fooled us.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: It fooled me. It fooled me. On my mama. On
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: my mama.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: It fooled me.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: So, Todd Trippin said the same thing.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, he did.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: He said he didn't know.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He was going to jail and everything.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: So, let me ask you a question.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Was your contracts not correct?
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: Well, here's what I'm saying. Is that you can't make
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: a song crossover in gospel. That's what I'm trying to say. Like,
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: you could have the hottest this and the hottest that,
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: but it don't mean that the one and one equals two.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: That don't mean that over here. And sometimes it don't
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: mean it over there. Think about it. Think about, you know,
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: all the selected Quavo is getting right now with the Pharrell,
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: you know, you know, records, you know. And Pharrell is
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: still that guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know,
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: like that Les Clips record went. it was fire, you know,
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: but it didn't mean, you know, that everybody received it.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: You know what you're talking about too?
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: I'm him.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So, you know, he's the El Paso.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: So, so, so, so, so because of that, a lot
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: of times in gospel music, You got to be also
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: careful to try to say that the template is you'll
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: work with a mainstream artist and this happens. You see
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying? Like that can't be the template in
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: gospel music. See, in gospel music that has a different
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: type of dichotomy to it or even different nuances and
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: ingredients is that everything over here is supposed to be
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: about God. Everything that's the foundation now what we build
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: on that we gotta sometimes come back to okay Does
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: this do that does this bring attention to God this
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: you know? So it's like if we do this we
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: do that okay, you know, how would that be and
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: so and then every gospel artist also has to have
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: They have to have the acumen that y'all Will believe
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: that's him meaning that if a rapper comes a ball
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: alert and he's from a the suburbs, and he coming
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: here talking about, you know, hard life and the block
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: and the mud, you know what I'm saying? You know,
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: and slinging that weight. Y'all going to be listening to like,
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: we call that cap.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: All day. So it's the same thing. If you a
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: gospel artist and you still doing the WAP, you know
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying? And you still not, you know, like,
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: like culture's not your thing. Then if you try to
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: do certain things, it's not going to read.
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: The same way. See, I am what I am because
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: I'm very close to Negrodom. You know what I mean?
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: You know? Like, that's how I was raised. Does that
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: make sense? You know, like, I was a kid. My
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: name was Kid Fresh when I was coming up. You know,
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: I was a breakdancer. I was into hip-hop. You know, like,
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: I grew up on Michael Jackson, Elton John, and, you know,
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Grandmaster Flash. The message, you know, I was listening to
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Biggie Smalls on the church parking lot. So that's who
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: I naturally am. I'm naturally pulled into hip-hop. I'm naturally
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: pulled into culture. And so we can't say that, okay,
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: what Kirk is doing, you do. What Kirk's doing, you don't.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: Because that won't read for everyone. That's got to be
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: authentically what they connect to. And so if that doesn't happen,
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: then what we also got to do is that those
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: of us that are blessed with the doors... We got
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: to think of how to open up doors for other
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: people that are their doors. Their authentic doors.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: That's what you're saying.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because if it ain't authentic, then we'd have made
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: a problem. Yeah. And now it look whack. Yeah. You
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. And gospel music don't
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: need nothing.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Because in hip-hop, you can have multiple people do a
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: couple of things identical. So you're basically saying that ain't
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: going to work.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: For everybody.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: You have to be authentically yourself in whatever that looks like.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: That's your truth, and that's the type of music you
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: have to make.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: That's right. And now hip-hop is so broad. Hip-hop need
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: to do that, too. But it's so broad, though. You
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: can have a Tyler, the creator. You can have a J. Cole.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: You can have a Rod Wave. You can have all
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: these different. And these are three different communities.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: And they all work. See, gospel don't have that type
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: of gravity to be able to do that and it
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: be self-sustainable. See, Rod cannot ever be on the Grammys,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: but he's still going to sell out arenas by himself.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: And then, you know, and the rest of black culture
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: will be going, who's Rod Wave?
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he done done two nights. Yeah.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: He done done two nights. But there are some people,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: there are some black folk that don't even know who
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: he is. You know, so that is the diversity, even
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: in hip hop now, that in gospel music is still.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Still navigating that.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Still, you know, you know, you know, there's traditional. It's
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: almost like there's just traditional and contemporary. That's all it
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: is for the most part. And you're trying to figure
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: out how to make it work for everybody. And I'm
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: committed to doing it, though. I mean, I ain't going
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: to cap. My love, man, is I want to see
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: everybody at the table. I want to see everybody plate full.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: I want to see everybody eating. And I want everybody
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: talking about, yo, man, they talking about God over there.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Let's go see what they talking about. That's what I want.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: That's what I want. I want the culture to be
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: able to go, yo, man, they still talking about God.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: And it's over there lit. The tracks are hot. Production
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: is hot. Presentation is fire. And, yo, man, they for
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: real about that life. Like, they about that life over
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: there about Jesus. And so that is what I want
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: to do to the day I die.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: When you're not doing music, are you being a husband?
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Are you enjoying the fruits of your labor? What are
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: you doing in your downtime?
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: I try to do everything I can to enjoy the
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: fruit of my labor, but my greatest love is music.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: So you're always doing music?
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: I'm always struggling with the love of my first love.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: What about Miss Franklin? What has she got to say
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: about that?
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: You know, she, she, she. She has her good days
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: and bad days. You know, shout out to Tammy. It's
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: because she's a beautiful soul. She married a man that
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: didn't have family. I wasn't raised in a home with family.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: I didn't have a mama. I didn't have a daddy.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: I didn't have siblings. I was adopted when I was
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: four by a 64-year-old lady, and she wasn't a nurturing lady,
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: so I lived a lot of my life alone. I
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: didn't have a curfew. I didn't have nothing. Again, that generation,
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: they were not an affirming generation. You know, they ain't
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: going to be putting you on. You know, I don't
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: know if you have like a great, great grandmama, but
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: there's a generation of older people. It wasn't going to
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: be no affirmations. It wasn't going to be no good job,
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: you know, loving on you. You know, everybody wasn't like
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: your grandmama. You know what I'm saying?
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Don't start, man.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: I got to get the tissue out. But shout out
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: to that, though. Shout out to, you know what I'm saying? But,
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: you know, but the problem is everybody wasn't blessed with that.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: So even the lady that adopted me was not an affirmer.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: You know what that generation was? That generation was if
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: I put a roof over your head and put it
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: on your table, that's love.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: That's love. That's love.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: But, you know, sometimes those words, sometimes you need them.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: They do something for you.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: But that's bare minimum. I feel like when people.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: Oh, you mean food on the table and all that?
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's bare minimum.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, facts, facts. Like, that's... Facts.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: That's regular.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: But that's why you're going to be a really good dad.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: Facts, though.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: But I feel him on that.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: And that's why I was deficient. So, I was deficient
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: because I never... Bro, bro, I was like a child
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: prodigy music... piano playing, like I started playing at four.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: Child prodigy. Nobody, I mean, Gertrude, that's the lady that
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: adopted me, I was a kid that was never told
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: I was good. Never. Because, again, her age, the generation
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: I was around, everybody was older and it was not
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: an affirming generation. I mean, this lady that adopted me,
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: she was born in 1908. So, you know, think about it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: She's born 1908, bro. 1908, the lady that adopted me.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: I was born in 1970. And so the lady that
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: adopted me, I was four years old. She was 64
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: years old. And she was a widow. Didn't have no
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: other kids. Had a fourth grade education. So I lived
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: a lonely life. But I'm going to tell you my
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: story real quick. In the front of the house was
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: a raggedy piano. That was my friend. That was my girlfriend.
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: That was the love of my life. So music was
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: the first thing told me I loved her. So that's
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: all I knew. That's how I met Jesus, through music.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: That's how I dealt with my depression, my loneliness, my anxiety,
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: was through music. So I lived my whole life like that.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: And then, boom, I meet a woman who's got seven siblings,
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: you know, just beautiful, you know, mom and daddy, upper
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: middle black, you know, family. And, you know, by the
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: time I got married, I was already Kirk. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: By the time I got married, I had a gold album,
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: platinum albums and all of that. You know, I had
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: my own house, swimming pool, all of that. You know,
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: so I was already doing this. So it wasn't something
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: new to her. So she has always had to deal
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: with this other love in my life. And I try
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: to be very honest about it. I mean, think about it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: I'm at a restaurant. A song come. You know what
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: I mean? I'm in the middle of a band. A
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: song come.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: That'd be us about content.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah. You get it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: You get it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: And here's the thing. If I don't get up and
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: work on that song, Lights don't get paid. You see
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying? So this other love in your life
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: is also the love that provides. And you talked about overhead. Boy,
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: we could talk.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Turn that camera.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: Turn, turn.
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: I already know.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I already know.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Turn. Lock the door. Well, Marvin Sapp said close the door.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: I already know. Shut the door.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: So, you know, it's tension. And as gifted young men,
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: you know, you feel it. There's a tension between your
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: first love and that human love because that first love
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: is also what provides.
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: For those human loves. And I've learned you do the
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: best you can. And one thing that helps you through it,
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: always stay honest. Always be honest. And sometimes beat them
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: to the questions. You know what I'm saying? You know, hey,
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: I'm having a little rough day today. I got writer's
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: block and I ain't, you know, I ain't my best today.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: So I may not be feeling like he can with
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: your little friends today. You know what I'm saying? You know,
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: you know, you know, I don't want to do that.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I'm going to steal that.
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: You know, yeah, you know what I'm saying? You know,
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: I don't want to go double date, you know, I
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: don't feel like he can. You know what I'm saying?
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: You know, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: got this song I'm trying to write this bridge to
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: and they talking about, you know, you know, you know.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: And Jessica's cousin, she didn't want to come up to
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: the house the other day and have food for the king.
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: And I told the girl, I don't want to hear that.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: I don't want to hear nothing about Jessica. I don't
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: want to hear nothing about Ray Earl, nothing. It's like,
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to finish this song. So, all right, the
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: camera's back on.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: So how did you navigate that space without having someone
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: to tell you you were great? How did you define
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: your greatness?
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: Do you have a list of questions?
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I do have a list, God.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: That's a good question that's a good question her name
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: is Big Energy Kayla and.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of men who are in in
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: women you know but I like I like to pour
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: into our men because I believe that there's a fellowship
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: that doesn't happen there and I think that a lot
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: of men are defeated by the lack of affirmations and
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: the lack of substantial like you know conversations where people
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: are telling them like you're as great as you think
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: you are so what was that burning desire in you
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: as you talk about being there and sitting with the
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: piano because you come from someone who probably loved you
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: more than anything but didn't express it because she wasn't
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: taught to do that. So how do you not only
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: define that for yourself but then pass that on to
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: your children?
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, what tragedy does for us, it either
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: makes us better or bitter.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? Talk about it. You two
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: guys can go through the same thing. but may come
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: out of it the same, you know, like two different ways.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? You may come out of
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: that same storm. You may come out better. You may
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: come out bitter, you know? And I think that trauma
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: made me, especially as a father when my kids were younger,
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: it made me over-index in wanting to be lovey-dovey. Like,
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: I'm always kissing on my sons, kissing. They're like, bro,
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: you got to stop all this kissing. you kiss us
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: too much, you know? Like, I love kissing my son
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: because I want them to feel what I didn't feel
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: from a daddy, you know?
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: You know, and it's like you, my daughter's got me wrapped,
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying? My oldest daughter is married,
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying? But I still, you know,
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: you need some money. Yeah, you know, you know. And
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: she be like, yeah, go on, go on. You know
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying? You know, look it, she's the homie,
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: you know? And I think that, but even with all
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: of that, I also understand that I will live with
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: some deficits. There's no way. There's no way. There's no way. Like,
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: have you seen some athletes, and no matter how much
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: that leg healed from that break, whatever, they still walk
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: with just.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Like a little bit.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? Like, if that break is
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: hard enough and tough enough, they will forever live with limbs.
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: You can't come to the fact not having no mom
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: and no daddy and having no family and all of
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: that and just be good. You know what I'm saying?
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: You're going to always have something that has a little
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: deficit to it. And I've come to accept it. I've
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: come to understand it. And I have also seen how
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: God uses it in the music. A lot of it
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: is melodies and songs. And it heals me. You know
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying? I write all my music. I've never
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: co-written with anyone. You know what I'm saying? All of
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: the music, I've done my whole life with songs God
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: has given me.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: That's a flex.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Hello.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Big flex.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: But it's a hard flex.
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. It's a God flex because, you know, if
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: he don't get a song, I'm sitting at my drawers
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: with one sock on and ain't nothing happening. You know
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying? So, you know, it is definitely the
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: grace of God that he's let me borrow these songs,
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: and I'm very thankful for it.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Your story kind of gives me like Bruce Wayne.
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: Batman?
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Batman.
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: Because of all the things that he experienced as a
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: child and he still came out to be who he
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: became to be.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: Super hero.
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: I never would have known that you went through all
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: this as a kid.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: This is why I love him, though. It's his transparency
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: and the transition.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: From- That's why I think you're different than a lot
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: of the other artists. Like she said, you're very transparent,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: and your story is a lot more appealing than someone
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: else that may have came up in the church and
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: decided to do music.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: See, some people bask more in the testimony than actually
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: talking about the text.
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: They do.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: And I think that that's why he has always had it.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Even as I think about it, I would never think
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: that I'm sitting down here and I'm able to ask
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: you about these questions when there was times where I
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: cried on the kitchen floor listening to your music so
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: that I could understand.
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: Who God was.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: But even you, you're sitting at a piano. You could
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: have never, ever, besides God. knowing that you have so
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: many millions of people now who are giving you the affirmations,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: they're giving you the love, they're giving you the validation
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: that you at one point in time, you were at
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: a deficit at. But that's just how God provides, though.
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: And that is the reason why I'm very cautious and
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: I encourage my community to be cautious and say, who
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: can't sing gospel? Who can't do this? Who can't do that?
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: Because I hope when people see this interview, bro, I'm
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: at Ball Alert and we done prayed together.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: We done cried together. You know what I'm saying?
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All type of stuff done happened.
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: Like, think about that, man. It's like, Church can happen anywhere.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Anywhere.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: Anywhere. It happened today in this interview.
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: And we didn't compromise. You know what I'm saying? Like,
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: it ain't like, you know, we was, like, doing it
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: while we was whoop-de-whoop-de, you know what I'm saying? You
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like, you know,
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: you know, you know, my name is God. You know
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying? It's like, you know, we sitting there
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: having transparent conversations, and it's like, and he getting the glory.
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? It ain't all about Kirk.
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean? We're talking about helping other artists.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: We're talking about what we're going through. We're talking about
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: how to heal black men. We're talking about how to
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: make sure that Jesus is glorified. I mean, it's like, see,
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: this is why you can't judge how God move. You
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: just got to get out of the way and let
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: him cook. You got to let him cook. And that's
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: why I'm very grateful to be here doing this.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: What'd they say?
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Clip?
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they know. They're wrapping this up. They're wrapping this up.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: We got stuff to do. We done turned to the church.
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: Ron over there like, hey, we got to go.
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: My bad, Ron.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my bad, Ron.
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: Sorry about that. Sorry about that.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I was crying, Ron.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Hey, this has been one of my favorite interviews.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie. This has been one of
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: my favorite interviews.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Normally, it's me crying and Rory was in here being tragic.
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: You got my co-host in here crying.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Come on, man. It's all about my grandma and my
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: daughters and my wife. But I love to see that.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: I love to see you be able to have that
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: space to do that because it's like for me, that's
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: why I do what I do is to create that
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: space and to have these type of conversations. So to
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: see God move like that is amazing.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: And watch what it does for other young men.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: For real.
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: Watch what it do, man. Watch how it heals because
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: that liquid from them eyes is healing them. healing on them.
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: And for all the men that are stopped up emotionally,
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: they can't get that out. Bro, you don't understand. It's
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: going somewhere. That anger with your girl, that rage that
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: you feel is because that fluid, that liquid healing ain't
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: coming out. And when it don't come out, it's going
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: to go somewhere. It's going to go somewhere.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: The crime rate may go down if more black men cry.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: You ain't lying.
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: Damn.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: That's deep.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: Damn.
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah. That's good.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: I just had to deliver that message.
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: That's powerful.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: I'm proud of you two boys.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Kirk Franklin, we appreciate you, my brother. You are appreciated.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: You are necessary.
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: Thank you. And sorry, y'all.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: And the record is out.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: The record is out.
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: October 30th. Oh, yeah. And y'all like the record?
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I played it on the radio.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't even ask my boss. I told him. I said,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I'm playing this.
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm playing this. But way before they even told
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: me you was coming to do an interview, I said, nah,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I'm playing this.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: This is fire.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: And I mixed it with the Jeezy and Shawnee Love.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: We hear you.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: You know something about to go down.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: Hey, that's how I know you love music. Because when
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I see you in that video and.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: You doing the head bob on the radar, I said.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can tell he love music.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: He loves music.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: He was turnt up. Now, wait.
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: Which one? What was that?
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: I'm on the people couch. Yes.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Now, I must say before we go, if you're ever
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: in an accident, 844-GA-REC.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Kirk Franklin, we appreciate you.
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: I love how y'all just paid the bill. We got to.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: We got to.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: We got to pay the bill. Keep the lights on.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir.