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Revelation of the Method · Walk Talk: Faith in Motion

• Randy: Revelation of the method. It's probably something that most people haven't even heard of, even though they've probably seen it firsthand. It's all the occult world tells us what they're doing as they're doing it right in front of us, keeping it in plain sight. We're going to get into that today, among other things, on this episode of the walk talk. All right, brother. How's it going today? Pj Verdin: man, doing good. How about yourself? Randy: man, it's been a busy last couple of weeks. it's Pj Verdin: Yes. Randy: it's gonna be another busy day today. So I'm just glad that we were able to get some time on the calendar to actually, you know, sit down and get into a couple of topics that I know we've been you know, wanting to dive into. Pj Verdin: Absolutely, man. It yeah, like you said, it it's it's been crazy busy, man. I feel like there's just been a lot going on. yeah, just a lot of stuff I'm I'm I'm excited to catch up. Randy: Yeah, absolutely. So you sent me a text message yesterday that I was just thinking, you know what, I'm not even gonna respond to this guy because if I Pj Verdin: Yeah. Randy: do, it's gonna end up being a phone call and then a two hour conversation. And we got to save Pj Verdin: Yeah. Randy: this for the podcast because I'm sure other people are gonna benefit from hearing what we have to say. Pj Verdin: Yeah, man. It it's it's wild. Like I I feel like man, it's I feel like it's a burden of revelation, right? So w what I mean by that is is you know, I it's it's become increasingly and abundantly clear that so much of the doctrine out there is is off. And I'm not gonna say far off because it doesn't need to be far off. It doesn't have to be just completely opposite of of the gospel and and what the scriptures actually say. It just has to deviate a little bit in order for it to be inaccurate, man. And and Randy: Yeah. Yeah. Pj Verdin: And I've been doing a lot of deep diving, like just you know, it it it's been crazy, man, because it it started off with just, you know, just like I always always have, I I'll kinda see something and be like, Man, that's cool. I I wanna I wanna get into this, you know, and I wanna I wanna dig into God's word. I I wanna seek him so that I can find him kind of thing and you know, a allowed the Holy Spirit to reveal these things. And the more and more I got into it, this the more I started noticing so many discrepancies and in in so many different areas. And it's like, well, I found myself in this place where I'm like, okay, what do I do with this? Right. I because I I I noticed some inconsistencies and and how do I address them? And and I'm I'm still working through that. But ultimately I could tell you what it's made me do is is feel like I'm I'm on the outside looking in. And Randy: Well, I I I think let me just jump in real quick. The first thing that comes to mind as I hear you talking now is two things. You know, this is why they say, you know, ignorance is bliss, first of all. And Pj Verdin: Right, right. Randy: this is why in the Bible, in Ecclesiastes it says, For with much wisdom comes much sorrow, the Pj Verdin: Rest yeah. Randy: more knowledge, the more grief. Pj Verdin: Amen. And and I mean that's that's literally that's the most that that's the best description of where I feel like I'm I am, man. And and you know, something that's been s just again, been very loud in scripture. Whenever I've been reading my Bible, especially, you know, I I I've s I've read the New Testament. I think this is my fourth go around in like the last six months or so, or maybe even less, but just Randy: wow. Pj Verdin: Well, just what I'll tell you what I do is is normally like I i I have to cut the grass and our grass here it usually takes me like three or four hours. and so I'll put my Bible on in my ears and I'll just listen to it, you know what I mean, while I'm cutting grass. No, Randy: Are you just using a push mower to cut the grass or? Pj Verdin: no, no, I we have a a a zero turn, but I mean it's just a lot of grass. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot. Randy: And it and it's it's just that much grass. Wow. I didn't realize you had that much of a property to cut. I mean, I know you have a few acres out there, but man, that's a lot. Pj Verdin: R right, right. And and I mean, you gotta think, with all this rain, like it it's few and far in between and it gets thick. Yeah, I mean it's well, I'm cutting it once Randy: You cutting it twice a week? Yeah. Pj Verdin: a week, just trying to but it that's the thing, I I go so long. Randy: Mm. Pj Verdin: But anyway, so I listen to my Bible and the thing that's been very loud lately, you know, in in in Matthew again is you the amount of times where Jesus is explicitly saying you know, beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees. And I'm like, wait a minute, man. Randy: Yeah. Pj Verdin: I'm like, these were the the the smartest people of the time, the most learned people of the time. They were teaching this gospel. They thought they had it figured out so so well. I mean, this is what the whole all these Jewish people were like, no, those guys know this word. They've dedicated their lives to it. And Jesus is like, Don't listen to them, dudes. They had they they're Randy: Right, right. Pj Verdin: they're off. And I'm like, and and and I'm so I'm sitting here and I'm like, you know what? I I kind of see this this same kind of pattern, right? The the the majority of of the the quote unquote gospel that gets told, there's there's these little deviations just enough to where people are like, that sounds about right. But it it completely Randy: Mm. Pj Verdin: changes the the the the narrative and the content in a way that's not in alignment. And then and then the funny thing is is this is what I've experienced at least personally. Whenever I start kind of being like, wait a minute, that's that's a little bit off. It's met with a whole lot of of you don't know, you're just being nitpicking. I'm like, no, I I feel like I'm I'm trying to honor the word of God the right way instead of just being like, that's close enough. Like I think that that that's a Randy: Yeah. Well Pj Verdin: a cultural appropriation of like, yeah, you know, you understand what he's getting at. Like, well, I don't I'm not worried Randy: Right. Pj Verdin: about what he's getting at. I'm worried about what he's saying, the message that he's putting out there that people are are taking and some of are never doing anything else with. They're not checking it. They're just consuming it and Randy: Yeah. Pj Verdin: saying that's where I I sit. Randy: Well, you know, so I w I was I was thinking yesterday, so I d I didn't want to respond yesterday, but I'm glad you brought up Matthew and and what Jesus says in Matthew about the Pharisees. And as I was thinking about what Jesus says, right? Like, I I I forgot a TV show I was watching a while back and it was an older show. I think it was the Sopranos actually. And that which is not a show I'm endorsing necessarily. Pj Verdin: Yeah. Randy: It was a good show, but I think it was in the show in the show they mentioned that Jesus, if you take all his you know Comments from the Bible, it only amounts to about two hours of like conversation, which is not really a lot. I mean, you know, when you think about like the average like album from your favorite artist is probably an hour long for one Pj Verdin: Right. Randy: album. That's not a whole lot. and I and even of the little bit we have from Jesus, so much of it is just not understood because people don't take the time to understand the context of the you know gospel itself, of the covenant under which He was, you know, preaching and and just the whole, you know, entire narrative of the of the you know Bible story, like there's a lot of things that you have to like take into account and understand to really understand what Jesus is saying. you know, if you if all you do is read the red letters and nothing else, you're gonna I think you're gonna just like lose your mind. I think you're gonna I think you're gonna just be, you know, and it's it's crazy to say that because that's literally saying if all you do is read Jesus' words. You're gonna be wrong because you gotta have the context, you gotta have the understanding. And as I was thinking about this, I was thinking about my first conversations that led me to believing in Jesus as you know, as my God, as my Lord, as my redeemer. And, you know, coming from a Catholic background, I would have said Jesus is the son of God, but it was through conversations, you know, with pastors. that they put his comments into context that made me believe that he i was saying that he was God. Pj Verdin: Right, right, a hundred percent. And and and and those there's evidence of those things sprinkled all throughout th the New Testament and and even some that that you're were were prophesied in the Old Testament. But I I I'll tell you this, man, like so what what I see is is and and we know this, the English language does a a very poor job of communicating words adequately or ideas adequately. from how they were intended. You know what I mean? We we kind of like have this mush of things. We know that the English language is just like that in general. but but what you have to remember is like in certain contexts and in in in this time whenever these things were written, whether it was in Greek or Aramaic, like they have words that they specifically chose to use Randy: Right. Pj Verdin: to to paint a a word picture, right? To to to make a deeper, more more profound meaning and and through translations of translations or however it's come to be, it's a little bit more watered down. And and so I think that it's Randy: Right. Well, because there was they had like, you know, there was a culture behind it and there was associations behind the words that Pj Verdin: Right. Right. Randy: they used. So there was all this connotation that came with the words they chose. Pj Verdin: A hundred percent. Like I'll I'll give you an example, and this is something that I I've I've learned recently. like in the Synoptic Gospels, right? So Matthew, Mark, and Luke. you know, the synoptic gospels being they they pretty much tell the same account from three different perspectives. Well, whenever they're referencing the Holy Spirit there or the miracles, the the you know, they they use the word dunamis, right? Which is basically power. Well, Randy: Mm-hmm. Pj Verdin: whenever John is talking about It's miracles in the same way. He uses a completely different word. And I don't remember exactly how it is pronounced, but it's like Samoinus or whatever, something like that, which basically means signs. So, like Randy: Mm. Pj Verdin: now, if you're just reading it in English, it says miracle, miracle, and you're less like, yeah, Jesus did miracles. But there's a whole, Randy: Right. Pj Verdin: I mean, if you're if you're taking the word for the word of its intent, then there's a reason why, you know, Matthew, Mark, and Luke chose the word dunamis there specifically, and John chose this other word. And and and to another point, this isn't something else that I've I've learned recently doing some deep diving, is like if you go into psalms, right? If you go into the Psalms 71 times, you're gonna notice a word called it's Selah, right? To this Randy: Mm. Pj Verdin: day, nobody knows what it means at all. The like scholars have tried to figure it out. They Randy: Really? Pj Verdin: yeah, there's some speculations. It's used 71 times in in s in the psalms. Randy: I I always I always heard it was it meant like pause, like reflection. Yeah. Okay. Pj Verdin: Pause or or like be still. Yeah. So that that is one interpretation. But so it's used it's used seventy one times in Psalms and three times in Duter No no, maybe it was Habakkuk or whatever. Anyways, it's it's only used a total of seventy-four times in the Bible, seventy-one of those being in Psalms. People's to this day, scholars of they they've have theories about what it could mean. most most people lean towards it, it's it's kind of like being it's all in reference to music. Is this like like a direction for like a crescendoing, like, hey, like let's let's build up this this this moment or whatever. But but still it's Randy: Interesting. Okay. Pj Verdin: not it's not known. But the point I'm getting at is this. The earliest and and there are copies of the Bible today that exclude the word altogether, but the earliest people who were scribing these things out, copying this word to to preserve it and pass it along, even though they didn't understand what the word meant. They still copied it because in their mind they're like, I don't know what this means, but it's the word of God. So I'm gonna include it regardless. And and so, Randy: Right. Right. Pj Verdin: like to me, what that shows is is the weight of of what these words were to us in the Randy: Mm. Pj Verdin: past compared to what they are today, where we're just like, close enough. Well, that sounds good. Randy: Right. Pj Verdin: You know, and it's like, man, no, you we're losing, we're losing context by and I think that that's a a whole lot of the reason why. churches, especially in America, have have deviated. It's like I I I don't even want to say so far off because it's it's like, man, there's so many parallels. Like I I hear messages all the time where I'm sitting there and I like, wow, man, that was a great point. I'm glad this pastor made that distinction. And then he'll double talk and flip right back to something. I'm like, wait a minute, that's not accurate. Like how are you how are you nailing it and and you know, so far off at the same time. It's I it's crazy. Randy: Yeah. Yeah, man. I mean, that that happens a lot. And, you know, I I I'm not an expert by any means, but I like to hear the distinctions because I had heard something similar to what you mentioned about, you know, the word, you know, miracle and signs and and whether they use, you know, you know, the word that, you know, gets translated in English and eventually becomes like dynamite, which has you know makes you think of this explosive power. Or something that seems more like a sign, which to me could be more like a rainbow in the sky, you know, something that maybe has like a natural explanation associated with it. And and you know, you're right, there is a weight behind it. There is a reason why God chose to use certain words and why the writers chose to use certain words. There's definitely was like a cultural context surrounding those words, and a lot of that does get lost in translation into a language language like English, which is much more modern than you know either you know greek hebrew or aramaic which are the three languages that the bible was written in so Pj Verdin: Right. Randy: there's a lot that could get lost and that's why i think it's so important that you know we do spend time studying you know these sort of topics to me i think that you know i think our churches do us a disservice in most cases because instead Pj Verdin: Yeah. Randy: of going in and trying to teach people how to be better you know, followers of the law, instead of trying to go in and teach people what bad sinners they are and how much they need to change and how much they still need to be forgiven, maybe what they should be doing is like, you know, digging into these sort of truths and and really Pj Verdin: Yeah. Randy: trying to understand the culture and context and explain to their f you know, their fellow, you know, churchgoers what these, you know, passages actually meant to the people who they were written to so that they could get a better understanding of what it means to them today. Pj Verdin: Absolutely. Absolutely. I think it is a disservice. And and I think that instead of the the main objective of of churches is is is is is hey let me share with you my thoughts and my feelings on on these scriptures that I'm gonna share with you. I think instead of sh just sharing your thoughts and feelings from the word, they should be teaching people how to dig into the word for themselves, the process. Like listen, that you know, I think that every church service should be like, Hey, listen We're we're gonna go over these scriptures right out of the Bible and and and and then say something along the lines of after my years and my research, this is the the conclusion that I've come to after prayer and and and allowing the Holy Spirit to reveal it to me. I would encourage each and every one of you to go home, reread this, dig into it for yourself, pray about it and see how you feel about it. Teet like that. Like not, hey, this is what I think, take this and just leave it be. Like if the you know, to to me it it's it's it's just like everything else. We're not teaching people how to think, we're just teaching them what we want them to think. And I think that that's a huge disservice. And then I and even even further to that point, I I think that it goes to show you the intent behind those kind of things 'cause people would be like, well, you know, I I don't care if if I i I'm not telling everybody to agree with me. I'm just sharing but but let somebody like me go in there and say, Hey, you know what? I don't see that this way and it's like, well, if you want to be disruptive then You it's like, wait a minute, I don't wanna be disruptive, but I do wanna I wanna be honest and I wanna you know, I I I wanna get Randy: Yeah. Well, I Pj Verdin: to the bottom of it. Randy: I I and I agree, man. And I told you, you know, now you kind of are seeing like where I've been for a while, because it's been a struggle. And it's the reason why I've gone to so many different churches over the years, because I I'll find a church where like I'll get to know people and like start to build friendships and and you know get plugged in, you know, either leading a Bible study or hosting a Bible study or going to someone else's Bible study, the kids are plugged in and then like I'll hear two or three messages in a row where it's just like law, law, law. They're trying to make us follow the law. And I'm like, my gosh, they really don't get it still. And it just like, it just, it just eats at me, man. And and you know, I can't I I don't know. I mean, I'm just, you know, I I'm some I'm a person that's just wired in such a way that I just I I don't like the inconsistencies. It really, really Pj Verdin: Hundred percent. Randy: bugs me. And so, you know, I've not Taken positions of leadership in churches that I've been really plugged into and really liked because I didn't want to teach anything that was not consistent with Pj Verdin: Right. Randy: what they were teaching. You know, for example, within the church of God, you know, I don't believe in speaking in tongues. And so I, you know, early on as a believer, I was teaching Sunday school classes and I stopped because once I came to this point where I was like, I really don't believe this, and this is like a main doctrine in the church of God. I don't feel like I could be someone who, you know, teaches on Sunday mornings when this topic is probably going to come up at some point, or we're going to read some passage where either I'm going to have to just hold my tongue, which is not, you know, being truthful, or I'm going to have to say something that is in disagreement with the church leadership that I've submitted myself to, which is not a good place to be either. So I just said, you know, to avoid all of that, I'm just not going to put myself in that position. Of any sort of leadership in this organization or any sort of teaching role. And I've avoided that essentially ever since because I don't want to be in that situation. I don't want to be in a situation where I am, you know, and again, I've I've like co-led Bible studies with people on various topics, but on on specific topics where, you know, some of these issues weren't going to really come up as much. But even still, it was always like tricky kind of navigating, like, you know, how do I stay? true and authentic to myself and what I believe, but also not create a lot of you know, w what was the word you used earlier? The yeah, Pj Verdin: ripples and divisions and Randy: the vision or or you know, stirring stuff up, you know, like 'cause that's not my intent. Pj Verdin: Yeah. Right. A hundred percent. And look, you know, unfortunately, man, you know, and I I just finished saying this 'cause you brought up tongues, like tongues is is is a a a dead issue to me. It's not a big deal, but it keeps coming Randy: Yeah. Pj Verdin: up and it keeps coming up and it keeps coming up and I'm just like, man, like if it was up to me, I would never talk about tongues again in my life because I'm just so over it, man. I'm so over it. But Randy: Sure, sure. Pj Verdin: but so I I'm like I'm like, listen, this is not this is my spirit being riled up whenever people are talking about this stuff, and I I can't help Randy: Yeah. Pj Verdin: it. What am I supposed to do? So I and I'll I'll say this: you know, you've said it before sola scripture. For those people who don't understand what that means, it's basically the concept, right? Is let scripture explain itself. So the best way to do that is is there's a lot of different scriptures that talk about a lot of different things. Fine. the place in God's word, God's divine word, where it is as simplistic as it gets. Let's and and Randy: Yeah. Pj Verdin: build off of that. To so instead of going find something where like, hmm, well I can see this way, I can see this way. Yeah, there's a lot of parts in the Bible like that, which is why there's people who will defend two different sides of a doctrine with scripture. But ultimately if you if you dwindle it down to where it's most black and white and build off of that, then you'll have a better idea of Of what it a thing is supposed to be. Now, when it comes to tongues, this is all I'm gonna say. If you want to use the catalyst as the beginning, the day of Pentecost, when it happened, it was very clearly an understood spoken language. Period. Do with that what you will. But if it I I have yet for somebody to come and and give me hard biblical evidence where they could say, you know what. Well, this is why it's something else. No, there's speculation of of what it could be, a a a heavenly language. Well, I don't know because if we're going to the most simplistic version, it's an understood spoken language. So how however Randy: Yeah. Pj Verdin: you want to arrive at other points, yeah, you could do some some you know, gymnastics, but anyway, that's that's all I'm gonna say on that. Randy: Yeah. So let me just back up for one second because you mentioned sola scriptura. So I just want to make it clear where I stand. So I am not a person who abscribes to sola scriptura. Solo scriptura means basically it's the Bible alone. I only put faith and confidence in the written word of God and nothing else. And where I would stand is probably somewhere in in the middle between that stance and the Catholic stance, which basically says it's a combination of sola scriptura. Plus the sacred tradition. So, you know, the Catholics, they really they put a lot of emphasis on tradition and they try to find like a middle ground. And I and I'd say I'm kind of half halfway in between. I would say what you said, I would totally believe where the Bible was very clear, let that interpret the areas that are not so clear. And then I would say that I on top of that, let that's why I keep bringing up the context and the culture and all those things that are built into the language and the words that are used. To me, that's maybe a little bit more than tradition. That's more of like the cultural contextual cues. but I think there is a place for tradition as well. And I probably would not place nearly the amount of emphasis on tradition as the the Roman Catholic Church does, but I I wouldn't rule it out completely, if that makes sense. Pj Verdin: Right. yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I I I I can I can agree with that. But I'm just saying like whenever it it comes down to it a and I guess so this is the the idea that that pops into my mind, right? So I I I've recently did this deep dive about just i it was actually talking about the the narrow gate, right? Whenever Jesus w was referencing like the guy comes up and is like, Hey, how how many people are going to heaven? And he's like, you know Wide is the road that leads to destruction and narrow is the gate that leads to heaven, kind of thing. And and so it was just a a very deep dive into that. But what got brought up was that, you know, a lot of times what gets referenced is, you know, apparently people believe that that there was a a big gate and there was a smaller gate, right? That was a smaller door. i inside that gate. And so whenever Jesus was saying, you know, it'd be easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle, like they've made these correlations. And and you know, basically what they found is there's no historical or archaeological evidence that such a door ever exists. But what happened is is maybe hundreds of years ago, somebody, you know, w tried to take something that was very hard and and and and make it a little bit more palatable. And and you know, came up with this and people hear it over time and it gets spread and gets spread until people think that that is actually what the Bible is saying or if it was an actual thing. And and again, if you if you go with that, I've heard that preached many times where it's like, you know, you know, it's very hard. You you you have to get the camel down on his knee and squeeze him through and take off all the things. And it's like, well, okay. What I see here is Jesus t talking to an audience of people who would at the time understand, like, hey, listen. A camel is the biggest animal known to this region. And the eye of a needle is the smallest opening. So what I'm saying is it's it's pretty much impossible, right, for this to happen. Not that if you if you know, he he's basically saying it's impossible, you need you need Jesus. You know what I mean? This is an impossibility, you need me. And and and and the the deviation from that from the little thing will be like, well no, you can get the camel down on his knee is basically saying with with enough effort Right? With enough effort, you can get it done. Where Jesus' point was it's impossible, you need me. It it gets just deviated a little bit to being like, you know what, it it you gotta put in a little bit more effort and you can make it happen. Like, no, you need Jesus. Period. That's the point that he was making. Randy: Right. Yeah. Pj Verdin: Let's let's let's keep it there. You know what I mean? Because Randy: Well, and I I think I think there's just a whole trend, man, of like people taking things that were, you know, very clear to people at the time and looking for little nuances and things that'll stand out to try to like add value to people. And a lot of times, you know, it's just adding it just ends up adding confusion. You know, they want to have something new and and unique and and revelatory to add value. And instead it just ends up adding confusion. Pj Verdin: Right, a hundred percent. a lot of confusion and then it it it all it does is puts puts your salvation back on your shoulders. If you understand that a situation is i impossible aside from from Jesus, then you're gonna turn to Jesus. But if the message that you're receiving is hey, it's gonna take some more effort, but you you can do this, then then it's like, okay, well, Randy: You could do it. Pj Verdin: then I don't need Jesus, right? If I could do it, I just gotta I just gotta be willing to put in the extra effort. You know what I mean? Randy: Well well, and that's exactly what most pastors say when they read the Sermon on the Mount. They talk about, you know, they read Jesus' words where he says, you know, you unless your righteousness, you know, surpasses the scribes and Pharisees, you know, unless, you know, you you gotta be holy like the Lord God is holy. And and Pj Verdin: Be perfect, yep. Randy: and and then they turn around and what do they say? Well, in your own power, none of this is possible. But through Jesus, this is possible. And what they're implying, and sometimes they'll actually go out and say it, is that you know, with the Holy Spirit leading you and guiding you, yes, you could accomplish those things. And it's like, no, no, no, through Jesus it's Pj Verdin: Yeah, I Randy: possible because Jesus has already done it and he's imputed that in you know, righteousness onto you. Not that you could now do it with the power of the Holy Spirit. Now you could go and be perfect like God is perfect. No, that's not the whole point. But that's exactly what a lot of pastors do. And because that's how they make sense of that passage. They don't understand it in the context of what it was, which was a message showing people how big the gap was and how much they needed him. They they they'll Pj Verdin: Exactly. Randy: say that they understand that, but then as soon as they start reading the words. They switch and they, you know, they switch over. They switch over from grace to to law and they put their law hat back on and they're like, I know this sounds like something we can't do, guys, but you know, the Holy Spirit will empower us to do it. Pj Verdin: Yeah, and and that's that's a perfect example and and that again shows the consistency of of the character of God in in the parallel, right? Here's another the Sermon on the Mount is a basically another teaching that's saying, Hey, look, this is see this thing that I'm talking about? It's impossible. It's impossible. You know what I mean? But then what do we do? We change it to something where it's like, yeah, well, no, it just takes more effort, right? Because it you know, w with with the help of the the Holy Spirit, between me and the Holy Spirit, we can get this done, like you can't do anything. Except you know, Randy: Yeah, yeah. Pj Verdin: so it's like it but it again, it's just changing that thing. Like, so you you got a description of Jesus saying camo through the actual eye of an actual needle, impossible. You know what? Yeah, you could be holy like God is holy, impossible. He he's he's basically Randy: Uh-huh. Pj Verdin: showing you your need for a savior. You know what I mean? By but you know what I mean? By showing you, hey, listen, you're doomed. You think you you think you'll be all right, but I'm just letting you know, spoiler alert, you're doomed. Without a savior, you're Randy: It Pj Verdin: you're toast. Randy: yeah, exactly. It you know, going back to the sermon on the mount, there were people who probably walked away who said, All right, now I got the steps. I got the I got the 10 things I need to do. All right, I'm gonna go and do it. And there's people, probably the vast majority, who walked away and said, my gosh, woe was me. You know, who was gonna save me? Like I I can't I guess I'm lost. Pj Verdin: Yep. Especially I guess I'll walk especially one of Jesus' main audiences, which would have been the Pharisees, right? Because Randy: The and those would have been the ones who would have been walking away thinking that they like, you know, were already there. They didn't need to do anything. Pj Verdin: Man. I I don't know. I think that he I think that whenever he broke down, this is how you should pray. Lord, forgive me as I forgive other people. They're like, dang, I don't really forgive people too well. You know what I mean? I think it that that they probably walked away like, dang, man, like he you know, don't get me wrong, they probably wrote him off, but I think that that these truth bombs that he was dropping was specifically for them to be like, Man, I I I walked up here thinking like I got this, Randy: Yeah. Pj Verdin: and this dude just he just, you know, d broke me down. He just exploited the mess Randy: May Pj Verdin: out of me. Randy: may maybe, but I I think if that was the case then more of them would have r end up, you know, receiving him. But Pj Verdin: Well well no, I I think it did the same thing that it did whenever he he started casting demons out of people. It made them furious, it made them jealous, it made them angry. Yeah, yeah. I Randy: Made double down, made double down in their sin. Pj Verdin: I yeah, well I think that they were just like I think that they were upset. You know what I mean? Like their ego was shook Randy: Yeah. Pj Verdin: and and and their their flesh I think took over and was like, nah man, like we're let's kill this dude. He he you know, Randy: Yeah. Pj Verdin: like he he keeps making us look bad. Every time we try to trap him in something, he makes us look foolish. So, you know, I don't know. Randy: All right, brother. Well, I do want to pivot now. So I do want to wanna talk about the concept that I think is probably fairly new to you. It's I've I it's only a concept that I've you know learned about in the last few years, and I'm assuming it's probably new to a lot of people, which is probably a good thing, though, which means a lot of people are probably not too deep into the occult world. but it's called the revelation of the method. Now I know We talked briefly about this I don't know, a couple weeks ago. had you ever heard that term before? revelation Pj Verdin: I Randy: of the method. Pj Verdin: I'd heard it loosely and and it didn't it didn't really stick with me or resonate. And and I believe that the term itself is probably, you know, relatively new, that like that what what it's Randy: Mm. Pj Verdin: called. But the concept behind it is I think oldest time, in my opinion. I think that's something that's been going on for a very, very long time. and and so I'll I'll I'll Randy: Right. Well I def Pj Verdin: let you kind of get get into more of what it is and and then and then I'll give you kind of my thoughts of why I think it's been around for so long. Randy: Okay, so I'll get into what it is. And I I will say this that there was a movie, if you haven't seen it, it's actually a pretty good movie. I'd recommend it on Netflix a couple years ago, produced by the Obamas, and it was called, I think it was called Leave the World Behind. Okay. Pj Verdin: Something like that, yeah. Randy: Yeah, something like that. It's a good movie. It's basically about a terrorist attack on US soil. And I the only reason I really watched it, honestly, is because I just thought, okay, this is kind of interesting. We got a former president. Who, you know, is now producing movies. It just seemed interesting. I want to see what this movie is about, right? This is this is this has got to be interesting. It had good actors in it. Ethan Hawk was one of the actors who I've always I've always liked, you know, going back even before training day. and I started watching the movie and I thought, okay, this is very interesting movie. First of all, I know I'm a pretty simple guy. There's probably a lot of stuff in this that's going over my head, below my, you know, conscious level, subliminal. Right. and so I thought, well, let me let me what like, you know, do some research and you know, see, you know, what people were saying about this movie. What is it really all about? And when I was when I was watching some videos kind of explaining, which I'm glad I did, because there was so much of the movie I missed. Pj Verdin: Yeah. Subliminals all over. Yeah. Randy: there's so much all over. Yeah. I mean, like just a small example. There's like paintings on the wall that change throughout, like they're in the same room over and over again, but the paintings and the background change and it's like, I don't know why they do that kind of stuff. I never even noticed. I'm glad that there are people out there who are internet, you know, sleuths who make videos pointing this kind of stuff out because I find it super interesting. but one of the videos I was watching was saying, What if this is revelation of the method? And I was like, what does that mean? And so, and I had I think I had heard the concept before, I just maybe didn't have the definition. But essentially, you know, there are there are people who believe conspiracy theorists who believe there is like a secret cabal of people who Who run the world, but they have this view that they have to tell the world what they're doing before they do it for various different reasons. One of the reasons is for karma, because it releases karmic responsibility from them if they put that information out there. Because, in other words, like, you know, if we tell people what we're doing, they it's up to them to stop us. And if they don't stop us, then we can't be receiving bad karma for anything negative that happens because we gave you the opportunity. The the second reason they believe they have to tell people what they're doing is because it it it basically gives them it gives consent. So they believe that, you know, if they told you through movies, through music, et cetera, that they were going to do X and you don't do anything about it, then essentially you are consenting by omission. Right. And that's probably Pj Verdin: Yep, a hundred percent. Randy: something we've all heard before consent through omission. Like if if people ask, is anyone against this? Is anyone say nay? And nobody says nay, okay, then everyone consents by omission. Pj Verdin: Yep. Randy: and I think they they also think, and again, we're we're thinking of like a cabal, and it's also something that the occult esoteric belief systems adhere to. they also believe that if there is going to be a judgment, if we are going to stand before God and be judged for our sins and for all the evil that we've done in this world, well, they can't be judged for that because the the blame is shared equally, because they put it out there and anyone could have stopped them, no one did. Everyone consented. So the blame is equal. You can't blame them any more than anyone else. and then the last thing I would say is it's I think they see it as like a it's some sort of adherence to a spiritual law. So they believe in certain teric traditions that teach that knowledge must be offered before action is taken so that free will is perver preserved. So it's like this adherence to like a spiritual law. So so Pj Verdin: Gotcha. Randy: because of this concept, you know. People people who are conspiracy theorists who believe a secret cabal is running the world, believe that this is how they operate, whether or not that's real, and I'm not saying I I'm not saying I subscribe to that belief that there is a secret cabal running the world, not saying that. However, that I'm open to the discussion. whether or not that's the case, there are esoteric, you know, belief systems, traditions, occult practices that incorporate this idea of revelation of the method. Pj Verdin: Absolutely. And and I think that it it happens kinda like whenever we were talking about the sat satanic bible and the the different like they have their own denominations and belief systems. I think that it's it spans across those things as well. I think that some of these beliefs are adopted by, you know, smaller subgroups that might not not necessarily be a cabal, but other people's ways of of thinking or their their beliefs, whether they or I mean, I guess it would technically be all occult ish even even if they don't see it that way because you know I view things everything basically through the spiritual lens. but but yeah and and and it's funny because you know you you you mentioned a phrase a little while ago in reference to this this topic but the consent by omission is is is something that I've been wrestling with with what we were talking about earlier, right? It's like if if I feel like what is being taught here is not biblically accurate and I don't say anything What am I doing? Randy: Mm. Pj Verdin: Consenting by omission. By not standing up and being like Randy: Right, right. Pj Verdin: d you know, and so yeah. So just to just to show you it that it doesn't just land in in the occult space. Randy: Hundred percent, hundred percent. So as I was watching these videos explaining this movie, I started thinking about other things and other contexts where this same message applied. And Pj Verdin: Mm-hmm. Randy: now I'm gonna share something. It's a video and hopefully I could just share the clean parts because it's artist that we both know and we know that they're not the cleanest, but there's something that's said specifically in this video that I wanna come back to. But I'm gonna show a little bit of this video and I wanna get your thoughts on it. So Let me share this. Pj Verdin: Yeah, I could hear it. Randy: Okay. So You know what this is, right? Pj Verdin: Yep, yep. I know exactly what he says too. you say? Randy: Okay, so you know this video. Do you know when it came out? Pj Verdin: man, I I don't know the the exact year off the top of my head I can tell you, you know, I remember where my where I was in my life when this came out. Randy: Okay, so it said it said twenty ten. I believe it's twenty ten when this came out. Sounds about right, right? Pj Verdin: Okay. I that seems time frame about right, yeah. Randy: Okay, so I'm gonna just play a few pieces of it and then I wanna get to what he says. So here's here's a scene. Can you still hear me? Pj Verdin: Yeah. Randy: Okay, so what do you see happening right now? Pj Verdin: Th this looks like a in a a post apocalyptic world, like maybe like a tribulation time. Randy: See a bunch of people running in the street, they are carrying some sort of weapons. Pj Verdin: Yep. Rioting. Everybody's in black, probably very intentionally. Randy: Yep. I'm gonna jump in my spaceship and leave Earth. I'm gone. Pj Verdin: Yeah. He's been calling himself an alien for years up to this Randy: Yep. Pj Verdin: point, by the way. Randy: Right here. Okay, let me back up for a second. Let me play that one more time. All right. I know what they don't want to tell you. Just hope you're heaven sent and you're hailproof, right? And then Pj Verdin: Mm-hmm. Randy: right when he says that, what does it go to? It goes to a family in a car trying in the Pj Verdin: In the middle of of all the ridings, so look like trying to escape, right? Randy: trying to escape is what it looks like. Trying to escape the chaos and the riding that's happening. Now again it Pj Verdin: Only ones also not in all black. So yeah. Randy: And they're the only ones not in all black. So so okay. So when he said that, I know what they don't want to tell you. But he's essentially telling us something right now by saying that and showing it to us in this video. Now, Pj Verdin: yeah. Randy: I'm not making any claims here about little Wayne and whether or not he is part of any secret organizations. People are gonna right away scream out like Illuminani, right? I'm not making any kind of accusations towards him, however. I will tell you when I see this video now in twenty twenty six, you know what it reminds me of? Pj Verdin: What's that? Randy: It reminds me of 2021, 2020, Pj Verdin: Mm. Yeah. Randy: 2022. What was happening during that time? you know, we had people riding in the streets over racial division, over the George Floyd situation. We had COVID that, you know, it was everyone was locked up in their houses, and the only people basically who were out were people who were protesting, people who were allowed to protest. We had highways and interstates all over the country with thousands and thousands of people stuck while While giant crowds of people were protesting in the middle of the highway, blocking people from just getting home from work, picking up their kids from daycare, trying to get home and use the bathroom, whatever it was they were trying to do, just like you see right here in this video. Pj Verdin: Yeah. Yeah, a and and so yeah, I mean and it's crazy, I guess so whenever I think of the the revelation of of method, the reason why I say I I feel like it goes back is because the very first kind of like example that I remember and I know that there was probably ones way before and and and there's a ton way after, but have you ever heard of of the the blues player's name is Robert Johnson? Randy: I don't think so. What's the story? Maybe if I know the heard the story, maybe I have. Pj Verdin: So Robert Johnson was a blues player that from Mississippi, who he's he's one of the most famous people for starting out saying he sold his soul to the devil at a crossroads. Because that's where I Randy: Okay, that's that's where I thought you were going. So yes, I have heard the story. Pj Verdin: thought you were going. Yeah. So yeah. So I mean and and I mean there's there's people who who have like basically recounted from their side of just saying, Hey, listen, This dude used to always play and was just garbage. And then he disappeared. He came back. And to this day is still regarded as one of the best guitar players and and most influential musicians of the 20th century. And and after that happened, like he was pretty outspoken about what had happened, how he had gotten this good, where this progression had come from. And then I felt like that happened. And then what we've seen now is an escalation. Of more and more people who are openly saying things about selling their soul. Randy: So there have been a lot of artists. I mean, there are like entire like YouTube channels and podcasts dedicated to this. There's been a lot of artists who have come out and said things that are very similar to that. Pj Verdin: Yep. So a and it's funny because I I actually pulled up a a a list of of people that apparently it said sold their souls to the devil and you know who's on it? Eminem. Randy: MM, DMX is on there. I I mean I remember DMX actually saying that, but I got Pj Verdin: Yeah. Yeah, well I mean yeah he Randy: a whole theory on that. I so let's come back to that because I have a Pj Verdin: Okay. Randy: whole lot to more to say on that. But let me just go back to this video for a second because I just want to show one more thing in this video. Pj Verdin: Hey, look, hold up. What it what does this shirt say? Listen to Lil Wayne. That's what it says. Randy: Ha ha, it sure does. Yep, listen to Lil Wayne. Okay. So he keep you you mentioned earlier he keeps talking about being an alien. I can't help but just bring up the fact that okay, this was made in 2010. It seems to predict things that were happening starting in 2020. now 2026, the big thing happening is UAP disclosure. He's talking about being an alien. He's talking about getting his spaceship and leaving Earth. And then right here in the video, what do we see? We see Spaceship leaving Earth. Did you see that? Pj Verdin: Yeah. Randy: Okay, so he's talking about it. So it's like, where are we going with all this? I don't know what this is telling us, you know, is coming next. I'm not making any predictions or anything like that, but I don't think it's a coincidence, is what I'm saying. I don't think it's a coincidence that this video he specifically says, I know what they don't want to tell you. Hope you're heaven sent and you're hellproof. And then he shows things that basically happen. a few years later and in my opinion are probably still happening. so I wanted to bring that up because not because I want to glamorize the occult, not because I want to say that I believe the Illuminati or Satanists or Luciferians are running the world. I want to say I I wanted to bring it up because as I was reading through the Bible a few weeks ago, something hit me that I had read a bunch of times before. I it was, you know, I don't know. So a passage I read a probably a dozen times, but it never really hit me in the same way. And maybe it was because I hadn't learned of this topic of the revelation of method. I don't know. but I I it just it hit me in a different way. And so it was in in First Corinthians. So let me share First Corinthians here. but as I was reading first Corinthians, let yeah, it says starting in verse six, we yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature, a wisdom, however, not of this age, nor of the rulers of this age who are passing away. And let me just say this right there. I believe when it says the rulers of this age who are passing away, I think it's literally talking about spiritual beings who are rulers, who Jesus took their thrones and dominions by the work on the cross. But we've already talked about that a little bit. but that's what I think it's talking about here. And then it goes on, it says, But we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory. The wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood. For if they had understood it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. And I'll stop there. So, right there, what is it saying? It's saying that there are rulers of this age who thought they won, right? And you've probably heard this passage preached before, right? They thought they Pj Verdin: yeah, a hundred percent. Randy: won when they crucified Jesus, but they lost. And what it's telling us right here is there was wisdom here that if they knew. What was happening, they would have never crucified Jesus. Right? Okay, but then it goes on. sorry, go ahead. Pj Verdin: Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. And and and and okay. No, no, I'm r remind me to come back 'cause I I I think that Randy: No, go ahead, go ahead. Pj Verdin: so you know, some people w would would maybe want to argue, you know, sometimes we we do know that that Satan probably knows the gospel better than most Christians. That that's you know, just what we know. but some people might not think that he's he's that stupid to be like, you know, let me just walk into the to the hands of my own doom. But the funniest thing is, you know, I I was doing some more deep diving into that Psalm ninety one, which is the one that Satan quotes to Jesus whenever he's in the wilderness. You know what I mean? About he's tempting Jesus, Hey, jump off this cliff and God's gonna send angels to snatch you up, lest you dash your feet on a rock. It's funny that he quotes that, because Randy: Mm-hmm. Pj Verdin: he's he stops there, but the next couple verses basically goes to show you how God defeats the enemy in the in the next couple of verses. I forgot exactly how it goes, but it's just funny that he stops. He's like he's quoting a a verse to Jesus Randy: Right. Well Pj Verdin: that Jesus would have known, basically showing him like you're you're gonna you're gonna defeat me. So it's just funny. Randy: Well, I love I love that you brought up that Satan knows the Bible, because just because he knows the words on the page, it doesn't mean he understands it. Because Satan Pj Verdin: Right, hundred percent. Randy: is a spiritual being. He is not a human being who has the spirit of God inside of them, right? So when it says here in verse nine, but just as it is written, things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard, and which have not entered the human heart, and that God has prepared for those who love him. Okay. So, and then there's other, you know, passages that talk about, you know, seeing they will never perceive, and and in listening, they'll never hear, or something like that. It's like God blinded them to his plan and he had a plan. He had a plan from the beginning of the world. and you know, it it goes beyond you know what most people are thinking. I mean, in Isaiah 53, we know that there's a prophecy there of the suffering servant who is bearing the sins of the world in Psalms 22. we see that you know, there's a lot of similarities between the suffering servant there and and the crucifixion. You know, there's so many prophecies starting with the very beginning. You know, the serpent, you know, yeah, Genesis 3. Pj Verdin: Genesis three, yeah. Yeah. Randy: You're you know, the serpent's gonna strike his heel, but but he's gonna crush his head. It's like what that what what I thought of when I read this was I thought of the revelation of method that the occultists ascribe to. And I thought, you know what? They are this is. To me, it looks like another instance where Satan is trying to copy God and counterfeit, counterfeit Pj Verdin: See it counterfeit. Yep, counterfeiting. Yep. Randy: what God has done because God essentially He was the first one to reveal the method. He revealed it from the very beginning. You guys sin, man, I'm gonna have to provide a savior. And here's Pj Verdin: Well, hey. Randy: how what that savor is gonna look like. Go ahead. Pj Verdin: So so check this out. Let me give you this little nugget, because you know, before that happened, right? You you think about this. When whenever before Eve was even made, God Randy: Mm-hmm. Pj Verdin: tells Adam, Adam's the only one there. God tells Adam, This is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Do not eat of it, because when you do, you will die. He didn't say if you do, he didn't say if you do. He said, when you do. Randy: Right. When you do. Yeah, when Pj Verdin: You're gonna die. Randy: you do. Pj Verdin: So he already knew you know what I mean? It w he wasn't taken aback or a surprise. He didn't say, Hey, listen, if you eat of this tree, you'll die. He said, No, don't eat it. Because Randy: Right. Pj Verdin: when you do, you will die. My spirit will leave you. So Randy: Right. Right. So got so God's been telling us he knows the future. He knows what's going to happen. He knows the plan because he's the one who made the plan. And he's been telling us in little pieces throughout the entire scripture, throughout the history of the world. But people are blind, people don't hear, they don't see. and and he had to do it that way because, like it says, if the rulers of this age knew what was going on, they would not have crucified him. They would have s tried to stop. God's plan. So, in other words, God was revealing the method in a way that they were responsible for their own destruction and yet they still went along with it. And it's like, Pj Verdin: Hundred percent. Randy: I I think personally, what I think when I hear about how the occultists believe in this revelation of the method, I think that, you know, honestly, I think that those spiritual beings, wherever they are now, are so distraught. They were so distraught, they've not gotten over it, including the devil. You know, Mastema, Lucifer, whatever his name is, is so distraught over this that even two thousand years later, they're they're basically saying, This is what God did to us. Now that's what we're gonna do in return to try to get back at him. What do you think about that? Am I crazy? Pj Verdin: Well, it's almost it it's almost no, I mean, so I I I definitely I mean I a hundred percent agree that that the devil is notorious for counterfeiting everything that God does. He's basically he wants to take it and do it his own way as as because I mean you remember he got casted out for wanting to be God, right? So he's like, Well, Randy: Mm. Pj Verdin: God has all the good ideas, I'm just gonna copy them and mess them up, kind of. but it check this out. Doesn't it seem kind of weird that a lot of these people Come flat out and say, Hey, I sold my soul to the devil, right? Now, what is that? You know, whether or not they they make that proclamation, I'm sure that w if they have, it's already happened. It's not like you have to say that I'm gonna sell my soul to the devil, just to make y'all aware. But the isn't that almost like reminiscent of the idea of us getting water baptized, right? It's just a symbol, Randy: Mm-hmm. Pj Verdin: it's just an outward symbol for people to say, Hey, look, you know what, this is What I'm ascribing to. I'm dedicating my life to God. And this symbolizes the death and the and the resurrection, the new life. So it's like we have that we we do that as a public declaration. Not that it does anything for us, you know, salvation-wise, but we do it as a public declaration. And so Randy: Right. Right. Pj Verdin: does that not seem like what they're doing? Like, hey, listen, this is this is my this is my coming out, this is my declaration. outward declaration for everybody to see or hear. Hey, listen, I sold my soul to the devil. I'm I'll be honest with y'all. It's just like getting baptized and saying, My soul belongs to Jesus. My life belongs to Jesus. You know, it's it's kind of crazy. So Randy: Let me ask you this question. Now it's gonna sound like I'm going off topic for a second, but I'm not. Okay. but if you were playing Pj Verdin: but give me give me one I I forgot I I wanted to say this also. What what I also think it happens there when I you mentioned them being blind, I mean, the Bible was pretty clear about like after you get to a certain point, God gives you up to your reprobate mind, right? So I mean, I I'm sure basically that's probably where Lucifer started was or or Satan or Devil or Mastema, whoever started with a God just being like, Go ahead with your reprobate mind, you know what I mean? Because you you already you I've seen how far you've pushed this thing by by the my need for having to cast you out of heaven. and and and I believe that it's the same with the the people who follow them. I don't think that it's necessarily I mean, they are blind in a sense, but you know, in their mind from their perspective and th this used to drive me crazy, like they they're not just doing these things like to to cause problems. Like they really believe these things. You know what I mean? And they they they're the ones who think that they're woke. Right? That's their their term. I'm woke. My eyes are wide open. Your eyes are closed, kinda thing. So it's just kinda funny. Sorry. I just wanna throw that in there. Randy: No, it's fine. what I was gonna say is, and again, it's gonna sound like I'm going off topic here for a second, but I'm I'm not. picture yourself playing any open world RPG game, right? Let's Pj Verdin: Okay. Randy: just say Zelda, old school classic game, right? Pj Verdin: Yeah. That's what I'd have picked. Randy: personally, as you can tell from the background, I'm a big Elden Ring fan, but let's just go with Zelda because more people are probably familiar with it. Now, in the game, you got essentially, you know. One character, and then you got a whole bunch of NPCs. Think of like Grand Theft Auto. That's a big one that you know people are pop, you know, it's very popular today. You could upgrade your character, you could get better armor, you could get better weapons, you could get better spells, you could get, you know, all kinds of accessories, right? Different, you know, fits, drips, all that kind of stuff. Pj Verdin: Tunics. Yeah, yeah. Randy: Yeah, right. You could do all that to your character that you're playing. Now you can't do it to the NPCs. The NPCs that are just running a script, they're doing the same thing over and over and over, day in, day out. Whether they're a villain, whether they are a supporting character, maybe they're just, you know, there just to kind of like fill in the world. You wouldn't spend the time or the energy, even if you could, most people, trying to upgrade the NPCs. There's really no reason. You want to upgrade your character to make your character, you know, the most formidable, the the Best looking, you know, make do what you want, right? Pj Verdin: Right. Yeah. Randy: If you Pj Verdin: Can you hear Randy: were a demonic being wanting to inhabit a character, a playable character in this world, wouldn't you want to do the same thing? Wouldn't you want to elevate Pj Verdin: Mm. Yeah. you want to maintain? You want the main characters. Randy: them and put them on a stage in front of millions of people who are going to worship them so you could get that glory? Pj Verdin: And wanna be just like them? Absolutely. Wanna be just like them. Like, hey, it it's I Randy: Yeah. Pj Verdin: I've I've set the mold. Now I don't have to go into each one of you. I'd I'd set the standard, y'all fit into the mold that I created. Yeah. Yeah. Randy: Right. But in the past, we talked about how the Nephilim are really the unclean spirits that were possessing people in Jesus' day. We talked Pj Verdin: Mm-hmm. Randy: about how those were not we'll call them demonic, but they weren't necessarily demons, that they were unclean spirits is the tur is the term that's used. And there's a lot of people much smarter than us who believe that those are the dead spirits of the Nephilim, whose bodies are gone, but their spirits have no place to go. If so if you're going to choose someone to possess and inhabit, sure, you might. Pick a Jeffrey Dahmer and you go on a killing spree occasionally. But if your ultimate goal is to be worshipped like God, wouldn't it make sense that you would find someone who's willing to sell their soul? Quote unquote, sell their soul, and then you inhabit them and receive that glory and that praise and that worship through them? Pj Verdin: Well, a I mean, listen, I don't think that it's a coincidence, you know, a and I d I I doubt that it it's much different for for the angels, but I think, you know, falling back into what you know is just is pretty easy, probably easy e even for s for Satan, right? And we know that in heaven he was in charge of what music, you know what mean? And so coming down and and saying, Hey, listen, you know what? I would look at the esteem that I was held at by God himself because of my position before I f was cast out. So to use that same tactic with us today and and I mean, you know, w i it's it's all over the culture. All w we all just wanna be big rock stars, right? We we wanna, you know and then you look at the amount of influence, especially as of late, that that, you know, the occult practices have on on I mean that that musicians have, you know tied up with the occult practices. I forgot the the the guy's name, but like he basically deep dove and in and the entrance to his his show was like a demonic portal. And they they put up these things, you know, in the background and in and of their shows all the time. Like there's you know and and and I've basically seen videos where like people were crying and saying that they felt like this this presence like there and like people fell out and like it was it's it's wild. But it's all yeah, it's all over the place, man. And you can you can fall down that rabbit hole because music and the occult are are basically like synonymous anymore. It it's wild. Randy: Well, and I'm and I don't and I'm using that as an example because you brought up the example earlier of people, you know, mostly musicians who have admitted to selling their soul, but actors, politicians, world leaders, right? Like if you are a demonic, going back to the analogy of playing the the open world game, if you are a demonic spirit, a prince, a power, a principality, whatever it is, a Nephilim, who are you gonna choose to inhabit? Especially if your goal is to be like God and to receive worship from the beings that were created to worship God. Right. You're gonna choose, you're not gonna choose any random NPC, just some Joe Schmo who goes to work, unless, like I said, your plan is yeah, no one listens to and Pj Verdin: Who nobody listens to. Yeah. Who nobody listens to. Yeah. Randy: who doesn't get any glory or praise unless you're you know, you you know, plan with that is to go out and commit a whole bunch of heinous crimes, which I'm I'm sure is something that ac absolutely happens. I definitely do think that the people who are out there committing the most horrendous crimes are definitely under demonic influence. Don't hear what I'm not saying there. But what I'm saying is, I do think there is a class of beings who, you know, were in charge of this world, who were given dominion over this world at one point, who God took that dominion back from, who are now trying to seek it again, trying to rebuild their kingdoms. And part of the way that they're trying to do it is by possessing and inhabiting these people who are admitting to have sold their souls so that they could receive. Some sort of glory and praise and basically feel like God. Pj Verdin: Yeah. Or or just perpetuate their agenda on a on a larger scale. You know what I mean? They they have these platforms that just make them more accessible to more ears and that's all that's all they need, you know what mean? So Randy: Yeah. Yeah. And again, I think that, you know, the revelation of the method. I think that the people who are participants in this, they they do believe that they have to tell us, they have to put it out there. That's why they come forward and they say things like that. That's why they tell us, Hey, I sold my soul to the devil. and again, there are stories, there are stories of people who, I can't remember the name of the pastor. or actually I think he was a priest. I think it was a priest talking about exorcisms that he does. he was he was telling a story of one of these people, like a famous musician who apparently signed the contract in blood and you know became possessed with the spirit and was promised all these things and then changed their mind. And then when they changed their mind, essentially they became sick, they fell ill, and this priest went in and he exercised this demon. The demon left them and eventually the person like became themselves again, but they ended up dying like afterwards. Like, in other words, like he believes that their soul was redeemed, that they were forgiven, and the demon was cast out, but it cost them their life for that to happen. And this that's something that people could go and Google and look up themselves. I'm sure you could probably find on YouTube the the priest that I'm talking about who does the exorcisms. but yeah, I mean, there are stories like that. story after story like that of people who have either just admitted it flat out. And again, I think that's part of the revelation of the method is they're putting it out there so that they don't get any karmic justice coming back against them so that they could, you know, tell everyone else who's out there who are like them that, hey, I'm in the club. I'm one of you. So, you know, treat me a certain way. And all and ultimately it's part of their religion. It's they believe that there's some Pj Verdin: Well yeah. Randy: sort of cosmic power to it. Pj Verdin: And and I guess one of the another reason why I would say I lean more towards the music industry is because I've heard multiple people talk about musicians talk about how w they sign contracts that explicitly say you can't Randy: Yeah. Pj Verdin: say the name Jesus. And and we know that you know, the other side is afraid of the power and authority in the name of Jesus. So of course why you know you can talk about you can say God because, you know, they believe in their own gods, but you can't say Jesus. Randy: 'Cause yeah, 'cause they see themselves as God, yeah. Pj Verdin: Right. But you can't say Jesus, you know, specifically. And so, you know, Randy: Right. Pj Verdin: it's it's just those kind of things where it's like y you know, even the the demons that Jesus was casting out of people, sometimes they recognize who he was before his own disciples. They're like, Why'd you come to torment us before it's time? So Randy: True. True. Pj Verdin: even in in in these industries, if if demons are are having influence saying, Hey, listen, don't let them say that name 'cause you know we we have there's too much power in it. You know what I mean? Like it's just it it just seems it just seems like That would be something you know, why why would anybody who'd say, I'm not worried about Jesus, I believe in the devil. If the person it doesn't have to obey the the power and authority in the name of Jesus, but the spirit does. You know what I mean? Whatever spirit is around does. So Randy: Well, in in and there's something else to the music industry as well. I mean, we've talked a little bit about it before, but there's so much power in music, man. I mean, I feel like, you know, i i in in rhetoric they teach you, you know, to appeal to pe pathos, logos, and ethos. In other words You know, the the logical part of the person, you you, you appl you appeal to the emotional side of them or you appeal to like the authority. I'm I'm speaking from a place of authority. And I do think that music speaks to that ethos, it speaks to that emotional side. Like you feel music in a way that you in that you don't in most movies. And in movies, the greatest movies have the best soundtracks to them, right? And that's one of the reasons why we love them. Pj Verdin: Well that's one of the reasons why we love them. Well and and I would I would just say this. I don't know if you ever heard Terrence Howard talk about the frequencies. I think that that's what it is. Because you know, frequenci Randy: What do you mean? Pj Verdin: so the f the frequencies in in this music, like I don't know if you've ever seen the frequencies create these patterns like with the salt on like a a table and they'll play these different pitches and frequencies that literally affect us like on an on Randy: Yeah. Pj Verdin: a genetic level. And I I think that it it has a lot to do with with that. And and and I think that it it it's it's the same reason why worship music, right, does the same thing. It it affects different frequencies inside Randy: That's that Pj Verdin: of us. Randy: yeah, exactly. That's exactly where I was gonna go next. And I in in correction earlier I said it apply music hits us in ethos, it's pathos that it it that hits your emotions. but yeah, worship music is the best example because I know like me personally, like I feel different when I hear good worship music. Just like when I go to the gym and I listen to my workout. Playlist, I feel more energy. When I'm at church and I'm listening to, or if I'm listening to, you know, while I'm driving, I'm listening to a good, you know, worship song. I feel like I'm worshiping and it prepares my heart to like receive a message at the same time, right? It like opens me up to God and, you know, and humbles me all at the same time, right where I need to be, while music of a different frequency could get me amped up and like. energetic and ready to Pj Verdin: A hundred percent. Randy: just go and you know punch a bag or just, you know, push a bar. Pj Verdin: Well and and see, like I mean, e even in in its most simplistic and un like unnoticed forms. I mean, you think about playing Mario Brothers on a regular Nintendo whenever you were a kid. In the scenes that that were meant to cause you more it was more difficult, the music speeds up and what what's happening without you even realizing it is it's raising the your heart rate. So you're actually getting more nervous playing those parts because of the music that you're not even listening to in the background. Like and and you can go back and l look at any old school video game or maybe even new Randy: That's true. Pj Verdin: ones and listen to the tempo of the music whenever you're in in certain parts that are you gotta jump, jump, jump, jump or whatever. Yep, a hundred percent. And then it speeds up. And then when it speeds Randy: Do. Yep. Pj Verdin: up, your heart rate speeds up and you don't even realize it. So, anyways, yeah. Randy: Mm-hmm. No, that's right, man. There's so much to it. There's so much to it. And yeah, so I think those are all good reasons why the music industry is a good example. But like I said earlier, I don't think it's exclusive to the music industry. But definitely I think where it's probably the most obvious and most most prevalent is definitely in the music industry. So yeah, yeah, good stuff. And and I def yeah. Pj Verdin: Hundred hundred percent. I would I would say I would say in the same way that that you know, church and spirituality or God and in and spirituality doesn't start and stop just at church, neither does this kind of thing. It it's it's everywhere whether you are acknowledging it or or realizing it or not. So yeah. Randy: Right, right. All right, man. Good stuff. Good stuff today. So we cut we covered a whole lot of ground. I mean, we talked about the revelation of the method. We talked about the, you know, just the the the inconsistencies that we're seeing in the church world and how we we think that, you know, our fellow believers, we just we gotta do a better job. We've talked about, you know, various industries and how people have admitted you know, to just you know, selling their souls for for talent, for you know, fame, etc. Pj Verdin: Yeah. Randy: We've covered a lot of grounds. i Pj Verdin: Yeah. Randy: anything else on your mind today? Pj Verdin: Nah man, I it it it was I mean we could you know how it goes, we can talk forever, but it was good catching up, man, and I I think, you know, yeah, we'll we'll we'll save some of it for another episode. Randy: All right, man. Well, I think with that, I think that pretty much does it for this episode of the walk talk. just you know, thank you all so much for listening. If you haven't already, please like, subscribe, follow the show. And before you go, make sure you let us know what you think in the comments down below. God bless. Pj Verdin: God bless.