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Mark interviews journalist Emma Jo Morris. · The Mark Simone Show

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  Speaker 2: Well, Emma Joe Morris a great reporter, writer, political analyst
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  Speaker 2: New York Post for years, Breitbart done a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: She was first with the Hunter laptop story and many
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  Speaker 2: other big stories, and she's with us now. Emma Joe Morris,
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  Speaker 2: how are you?
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  Speaker 3: Mark? Thank you so much for having me on.
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  Speaker 2: Now let me ask you a question. Are you Emma
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  Speaker 2: Joe's timely first new year? Are you just Emma? Now?
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  Speaker 4: Well I was. I was apparently given a new name
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  Speaker 4: when I entered consulting world better better.
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  Speaker 3: Consultants than me set up my business.
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  Speaker 4: Card and email address and put me as Emma but
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  Speaker 4: my byline and the people who have read me know
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  Speaker 4: me as Emma Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Oh good, so they're me. I like Emma Joe better.
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  Speaker 2: So Hey, for people that don't know you, you were
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  Speaker 2: the first person with the Hunter laptop story.
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  Speaker 3: Right, yes, yes, my plans are fame.
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  Speaker 2: And apparently how did how did you? How are you
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  Speaker 2: the first to get a hold of that story?
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  Speaker 4: Well? It was a it was a strange call in
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  Speaker 4: September of twenty twenty from Steve Bannon, who at the
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  Speaker 4: time I didn't know. Uh, And I just get this
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  Speaker 4: call saying, Hi, I'm Steve Bannon, and I have a
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  Speaker 4: story that's going to change your life. At the time,
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  Speaker 4: I was the deputy politics editor at the New York Post.
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  Speaker 4: I was running national coverage there. And I say to him, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I know that this guy has a quite
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  Speaker 4: flamboyant way of speaking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, what is it? And he's like, I
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  Speaker 3: have Hunter Biden's computer and the rest is history. I guess.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of history, but the rest
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  Speaker 3: is history.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, so Hunter Biden brings it to the repair place,
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  Speaker 2: So how did it get to Steve Bannon?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's that's actually a really fascinating question.
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  Speaker 4: It's solid asked, but it is like one of the
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  Speaker 4: more interesting parts I think of the story, which is
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  Speaker 4: this guy gets Hunter Biden's computer. It's water damage, so
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  Speaker 4: it keeps shutting down, and the service was to transfer
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  Speaker 4: his hard drive to a new computer, but because he
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  Speaker 4: kept shutting down, he had to keep stopping and starting
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  Speaker 4: in his transfer. So he was reviewing kind of what
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  Speaker 4: he was doing as he was doing it, to keep
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  Speaker 4: track of what he had and what he still had
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  Speaker 4: to do, so he knew it was on the computer
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  Speaker 4: when Hunter Biden never picked it up. He didn't want
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  Speaker 4: possession of it because he thought that there was stuff
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  Speaker 4: that may have even compromised national security on there or something,
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  Speaker 4: and he obviously doesn't have any sort of clearance. He's
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  Speaker 4: like a computer guy in Delaware. So he calls the
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  Speaker 4: FBI and hands the computer over to the FBI, and
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  Speaker 4: that's that he removes it from his mind. And then
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  Speaker 4: fast forward, not even six months later, is the first impeachment, which,
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  Speaker 4: if you recall, was the perfect phone call where Trump
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  Speaker 4: pass Ukraine to investigate America corruption in that country and
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  Speaker 4: the Democrats had a total freak out and tried to
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  Speaker 4: impeach him over it, or did impeach him over it,
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  Speaker 4: but anyway, you know, the computer prepare shop guy is
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  Speaker 4: hearing about this in the news, and he knows that
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  Speaker 4: the FBI is in possession of exculpatory evidence of the
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  Speaker 4: President because he gave it.
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  Speaker 3: To them, and so he's.
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  Speaker 4: Watching the impeachment, you know, captivated by it because he
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  Speaker 4: thinks that he's going to have some small part in history,
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  Speaker 4: and he wants to watch it, and he watches the
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  Speaker 4: whole thing and he's very attentive, and then he.
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  Speaker 3: Realizes that it never appears. And so then in his
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  Speaker 3: head he's like, so it's been concealed.
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  Speaker 4: And then he goes, oh, so is there is there
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  Speaker 4: a crooked call? You know, who's concealing it? And so
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  Speaker 4: what does he do? He calls Trump's lawyer, who is Rudy,
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  Speaker 4: and you know from there you know it's Rudy had
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  Speaker 4: it and share it with Steve and they decided, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: look like the impeachment's over. This is not relevant anymore
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  Speaker 4: unless they can get out to the press.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's where I come in.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, if you're Hunter Biden, your father's the vice president
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  Speaker 2: of the United States. You know he knows everybody, anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Why would you go to some strip mall, little mom
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  Speaker 2: and pop repair shop. Why wouldn't you get father to get.
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  Speaker 3: You some you know what I mean? I think, right,
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  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you think that the announces.
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  Speaker 4: To maybe a more legit service than some strip mall
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  Speaker 4: pure repaison guy, no shriputer repairsional guy, but.
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  Speaker 3: Security place.
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  Speaker 4: My thinking is like Hunter was kind of you know,
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  Speaker 4: if you look at his life at that time, which
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  Speaker 4: you can very very intimately on the waptop see everything
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  Speaker 4: that was going on. And I've got a really good
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  Speaker 4: and deep sense of where he was, Like he was
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  Speaker 4: kind of in this state of like delirium.
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  Speaker 3: Almost his he was. He was kind of stumbling, stumbling
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  Speaker 3: through life and.
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  Speaker 4: A fog fairly like coherent, extremely picted to drugs, not
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  Speaker 4: light drugs, hard drugs, and emotionally just kind of gone.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that he probably wasn't thinking straight. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he certainly wasn't thinking straight. He forgot it there ultimately.
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  Speaker 2: Good. So, Emma, Emma Morris, Emma Joe Morris. You got
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  Speaker 2: the laptop, you got the hard drive. So now when
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  Speaker 2: you gave it to the New York Poster, you gave
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  Speaker 2: it to the editor, you would think, immediately, go hold
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  Speaker 2: the press, this is going on the front page. That
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  Speaker 2: didn't happen, though, right, People are a little leery.
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  Speaker 3: Right, you know, I mean, yeah, like that's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, we learned after the fact that you know,
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  Speaker 4: the Post wasn't the only ones who were kind of
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  Speaker 4: nervous about what they had. Like, you know, you like
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  Speaker 4: to think that newspapers and media organizations are you know,
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  Speaker 4: just solely focused on breaking news, and you know, in
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  Speaker 4: their best moments day are but there's other considerations to
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  Speaker 4: make you know, this is an employer of thousands of
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  Speaker 4: people and NewsCorp is and you know they obviously you
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  Speaker 4: have to think about their own business survival. First of all,
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  Speaker 4: not getting sued is a really important priority. And I
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  Speaker 4: think that you know, a young editor at the time,
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  Speaker 4: I was twenty seven, you know, brings in this kind
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  Speaker 4: of radioactive scoof and it's like, what's our exposure here?
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  Speaker 4: Is this worth that exposure? What is the news value
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  Speaker 4: of this actually? Other than just its salaciousness?
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  Speaker 3: Is there a there? There is the they're they're worth
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  Speaker 3: the risk, you know?
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  Speaker 4: And I think that that's kind of what starts going
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  Speaker 4: through your mind if you're a more senior editor and
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  Speaker 4: editor in chief or you know, obviously you're in the
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  Speaker 4: legal department. It's like, is this juice worth the squeeze?
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  Speaker 4: And what exactly is the squeeze?
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  Speaker 2: So they must have how did they make you uh,
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  Speaker 2: they must make you verify it? How did you absolutely
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  Speaker 2: verify it with Hunters?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 4: Right, so at the end, you know, with I can
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  Speaker 4: be a very relentless I can be very annoying.
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  Speaker 3: Probably made me good at journalism. I'm sure you have no,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, it's like.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, I wear that as a badge of honor. I
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  Speaker 4: suppose in my work at least, it's served me very well.
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  Speaker 3: And that's my personality.
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  Speaker 4: So I was kind of just badgering and badgering about it,
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  Speaker 4: and finally, you know, it's like, okay, we're running it,
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  Speaker 4: and then it's time to verify it, right, And that's
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  Speaker 4: a good question, right, because it's like thousands of documents.
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  Speaker 3: It's this huge.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's a full hard drive and a
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  Speaker 4: loaded one at that, and so you know, at that point,
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  Speaker 4: it's God, it's October, the election is in a month,
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  Speaker 4: the last debate is coming up in the next you know,
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  Speaker 4: a few days after we have it. And so so
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  Speaker 4: I was like, you know, what, like the forensics or
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  Speaker 4: whatever is not even.
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  Speaker 3: The whole thing isn't relevant. Relevant is what we're reporting.
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  Speaker 3: So what we decided to do was to.
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  Speaker 4: Figure out what we were actually reporting, what was actually newsworthy,
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  Speaker 4: what is relevant to the story.
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  Speaker 3: We don't have to.
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  Speaker 4: Verify every single picture in his photo album or every
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  Speaker 4: single email in his inbox even we just had to
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  Speaker 4: make sure that what we were reporting was true and
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  Speaker 4: we could discard the rest.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we were discarding the rest.
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  Speaker 4: So what we did was we figured out what we
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  Speaker 4: were reporting, what it was based on, and verified that information.
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  Speaker 4: And the way to do that was very two dimensional
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  Speaker 4: and you know, very very very low definition.
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  Speaker 3: It was just there's people see Seed on.
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  Speaker 4: All these emails, Like, so all of the reporting was
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  Speaker 4: based on emails. If people see Seed on the emails,
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  Speaker 4: all of them. Hey, it's the New York Post. Do
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  Speaker 4: you have a copy of this. Does it sound familiar
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  Speaker 4: to you? I'm about to read you something. Tell me
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  Speaker 4: if you've ever seen it?
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  Speaker 2: That was it interesting? Hey, so you break the laptop story.
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  Speaker 2: It's big news. You're watching the presidential debate. Trump brings
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  Speaker 2: it up. Biden says, I have a letter here from
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  Speaker 2: fifty intelligence officers saying this is Russian.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Did you think to yourself, Wow, that's pretty smart. I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't have thought to do that make up time.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, I thought to myself, we have him so nailed.
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  Speaker 3: This is epic. Ye know, once they're telling you you're
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  Speaker 3: Russian disinforma.
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  Speaker 4: It's what like, okay, like you guys have you're totally
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  Speaker 4: you're out, You're you're totally depleted of anything that you
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  Speaker 4: could say. If you're telling me I'm a Russian disinformation
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  Speaker 4: what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm in New York City.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing you could say, but you gotta you gotta
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  Speaker 2: give him credit. Well, if there's nothing you could say.
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  Speaker 2: That was pretty smart. And they went around They got
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  Speaker 2: fifty CIA FBI heads to sign it. Yeah. Pretty impressive,
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  Speaker 2: very smart.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty impressive for you know, the intelligence community, which
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  Speaker 4: is what it was, you know, I mean, we're laughing
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  Speaker 4: about it now. It says utterly stupid, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: at the time like it was, they were running a
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  Speaker 4: straight up operation domestically that you know, I mean, that
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  Speaker 4: was the subject of a lot of scrutiny and obviously investigation.
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  Speaker 4: It went nowhere by the Republicans in Congress shockingly, but you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, matter that can use the scandal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, I was gonna say, the New.
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  Speaker 3: York Post reports something and the CIA decided, no.
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  Speaker 4: You're not.
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  Speaker 2: Uh hey, Emma, Emma, Joe Morris, I was gonna talk
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  Speaker 2: you about all kinds of things we're running out to
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  Speaker 2: we don't have much time left. So let me just
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  Speaker 2: ask you real fast, U Mom, Donnie? Will we get
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  Speaker 2: through these four years? Would be okay? At the end
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  Speaker 2: of it?
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  Speaker 4: Oh god, I mean listen, every day it's like every
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  Speaker 4: day now we've just had this subway subway shover who
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  Speaker 4: shoved the guy down the stairs and killed them? Like
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  Speaker 4: can you imagine? It's like, you know, you hobble through
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  Speaker 4: the four years.
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  Speaker 3: But at what costs. It's just very upsetting, it's devastating.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's not it's not New York.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I wish we had more time about
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  Speaker 2: to do this again, but the laptop stuff fascinating. Now
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  Speaker 2: if people want to follow you, where should they go?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Please, thank you so much. I met Emma Joe NYC
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  Speaker 3: MMA NYC.
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  Speaker 4: On Twitter, and I do a weekly podcast both with
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  Speaker 4: Alex Marlow at Breibart and you can find that on YouTube, Spotify, Apple,
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  Speaker 4: and then I also have a podcast with Mark Alprin's
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  Speaker 4: Two Way on Thursdays at four o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very good stuff. Just go ahead Google Emma Joe Morris,
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  Speaker 2: it'll take you to everything podcast to Twitter, Emma Joe,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for being with us. We'll do it again soon.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Have a good one, all right.
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