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Talks to Matt Michael about his choice of The Time Warrrior (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blump. Pen Knife for doing Quicker,
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  quicker, quicker, quicker. Welcome back to Hampton with a
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  Blump Pen Knife, the Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  This is Take two because I just fluffed up.
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  Take one. I am here with the wonderful
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  Matt Michael. Say hello, Matt.
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  Hello. How you doing tonight?
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  I'm good. Thanks, Jane.
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  Yeah. You got quite high then, yeah.
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  It's a battle for who can go high, yeah.
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  Looking forward to a bit of PERT reaction.
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  Oh man, I always love a bit of pert reaction.
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  Actually, I've got, I need to say, a little small confession
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  before we go into this. I kind of fancy pert we a little
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  bit, you know. I think he's definitely the most
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  doable. Classic Doctor.
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  He's very charismatic, isn't he? I mean, cuz Davidson's sort of
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  more obviously, sort of younger and widely, really sexless.
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  He's. Very, very boring.
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  Imagine he's like an action man down there.
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  Imagine like the Third Doctor. Hurt way, man.
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  Yeah. Yeah, and it's just like the way
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  he tosses blokes about. He's not playing at being A.
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  Human. No.
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  There's a video on YouTube, you know.
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  Have you ever seen the Bake color videos?
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  Yes. So there's a video from John
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  Purley, and it's all like a montage of clips of him like
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  doing lots of action to I Need a Hero by Bonnie Tyler.
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  And sometimes if I'm short of, like, poor material, I'll just
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  put that on instead. No, I don't.
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  I don't. I don't.
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  Okay, God, we've got straight to the roof stuff straight away.
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  Matt, what we talking about today?
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  We're going to talk about the Time Warrior from 1973 slash 4.
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  I'm assuming you weren't alive when this first went out.
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  I wasn't alive. I wasn't.
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  My parents hadn't met. I don't think at the point that
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  this went out, they certainly weren't married.
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  So yeah, this is this predates me.
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  This has been 1974 five I I think.
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  I think me when I was, when I was.
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  No, no, no. When did this?
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  When was this transmitted? This was transmitted.
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  I think it's the first episode went out in December 73, I
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  think. So it just skirted into the
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  anniversary. Yeah, because in those days I
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  think they started like the three doctors bizarrely starts
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  in 1972 when it goes into 73 and this one starting season 11,
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  starts at the end of 73. This was shot at the end of
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  season 10. Wasn't it?
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  It was. Yeah, it was tacked on.
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  The invasion of the dinosaurs. Yeah, because Carnival of
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  Monsters was made as part of season nine.
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  Season nine was a big long they made carnival monsters at the
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  end of it. How bizarre.
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  Because you would think, Wouldn't you like the last story
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  of the season? I'm not talking about time
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  flight here. I'm talking about the twin
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  dilemma, you know, where the money's run out.
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  The Armageddon facts are like that, but the money has clearly
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  run out. But with carnival monsters and
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  with the Time Warrior, I'd say like Pert was at the top of his
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  game. Like, you know, Oh yeah, he's no
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  tired. He's not tired.
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  There's no indication that the budget is on a shoestring.
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  But yeah, I think that's partly Barry.
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  Let's is a good producer. He knows how to spend the money
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  wisely and he knows how to sort of spread it so that you don't
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  have the end of season disaster. Like everything's stuck together
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  with Sellotape and the wars were all a bit wobbly.
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  Spectaculars that you sort of get in the later 70s.
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  What's really sad is, is they actually ended a season with the
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  Time Monster rather than Garnival of monsters.
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  That's for another day. So when were you born then, 79?
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  Oh, you're older than me. You look about 10 years younger
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  than me, you bastard. That running?
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  Well, I am queued up and ready to go into the Time Warrior
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  episode. One if you are, my finger is
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  poised over the controls. I will count us in that Now
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  what? I tell you what?
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  Why don't you count me in? Not from 5:00?
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  No. We should go from three,
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  shouldn't we? So 321 play I I love the I love
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  the start of this title sequence.
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  So this is the first time that this title sequence has appeared
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  and it it's sort of the Tom Baker variants.
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  Obviously much more familiar but this is the first time tunnel
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  diamond logo, the first sort of non electronic how round
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  patterns title sequence I love. I prefer this one for the Tom
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  Baker one because it's I love this weird starfield opening.
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  How does Tom Baker's opening is Tom Baker's just straight into
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  the sort of the Whirlpool kind of thing, yeah.
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  Okay, here we have two very hairy men, and they're trying
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  to. And I think that these
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  theatrical performances are a delight throughout there.
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  There is with with David Dacre and John C Carney.
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  There is no ceiling as to how over the top they can go.
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  There are absolutely there, he goes, checking the wine.
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  And I love how. I love how convincingly grotty
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  this already looks, and how miserable Blood Axe looks as
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  well. Look at his face though, he's
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  not happy to be there. Iron Groms not happy to be there
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  either. They're stuck in this miserable
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  castle. They presumably captured off
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  someone, but they're not living the high life there.
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  They're just eking out really grim existence.
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  I've got to assume that the person that they captured this
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  castle from was staggeringly inept, because they're not
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  exactly like the smartest robber barons in the barrel, are they?
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  They're definitely not the smartest.
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  It's very much like Series 1, Blackadder and Baldrick.
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  Yeah, what? What's really interesting about
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  this scene is I've recently watched horror Fang rock which
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  introduces the returns who are obviously sometimes arch enemy.
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  And that starts with lighthouse keepers watching the rooftand
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  spaceship come down out at sea. And you just see this light out
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  in the distance coming down as they watch from the from the
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  sort of lighthouse Lantern window.
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  And so I think, I think Terrence Dix obviously script edited this
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  was thinking back to the introduction of the suntans and
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  deliberately repeated the introduction of the Suntarin
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  story when he wrote the. I mean, they are supposed to be
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  bitter enemies, aren't they? So for the two of them to be
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  introduced in a similar way, that's a nice paraphide for the
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  same coin. That's not the only parallel
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  between the time warrior and horror Fang Rock, because the
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  Time warrior Terence Dix forced Robert Holmes to write a
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  historical and in horror Fang Rock.
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  Robert Holmes forced terrorist Dicks to write a story in the
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  Lighthouse. I've got a really great idea of
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  the relationship. They have these two kind of
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  spiky but but affectionate. You do you reckon that the
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  history of 70s Doctor Who is basically a history of the two
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  of them having sort of Doctor Master and it's that that's the
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  sort of relationship that powers Doctor Who through its golden
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  ages, potentially homes versus Dicks?
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  I bet you can't do this. All right, I'm going to fucking
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  well ace it, all right? I mean, OK, just in terms of
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  design, I think the ship and the Sontara, it's just genius.
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  It's so memorable and so simple. It is.
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  It's a brilliant design. It all feels like it comes from
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  the same culture as well. The sort of rounded ship, the
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  rounded helmet, it's all it's a good example of where all of the
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  design teams seem to be on the same page.
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  So all the prop design, the costume design, the monster
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  design, the mask design, all all work together.
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  And I think that's one of the strengths of this very, very
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  underrated story of mine. I'm.
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  Not gonna get that flag made. A good question.
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  Why is this so underrated? Because I'm telling you now.
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  This story, I've seen it too many times to not love it.
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  I've seen this about 100 Times Now.
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  But it's really funny. It's like very witty.
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  It's it's it's a memorable period of history.
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  It's got great characters in it. There's loads of action, like,
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  what is there to object to? Is it too low key?
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  I I really don't know. I think there's so many.
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  First, it's got the introduction of Sarah Jane, the introduction
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  of Suntarins, the new title sequence.
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  It's got the first mention of Gallifrey.
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  And yet it's sort of, it's sort of like a footnote.
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  And yet it's as important to the development of the show is the
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  time the terror of the Autumns is in terms of the amount of
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  stuff that it introduces this this becomes part of the ongoing
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  mythology of the show. So I don't, I don't think it's
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  because it's not significant. I think it's fairly flatly
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  directed. If I have a criticism of it,
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  it's it's not. It doesn't sort of sizzle.
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  It's not a David Maloney or Michael Ferguson kind of
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  direction, but you. Know I would.
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  I would make a stab at saying that when it's on location it
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  it's much better directed than when it's in the studio.
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  I think when it's in the studio, there's a lot of sort of point
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  in the shooting and barriness actually says, doesn't he, that
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  Alan Bromley would find the simplest way of doing something
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  rather than the most compelling way of doing it.
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  And you can see that sometimes you I, I I think you can and I
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  think yeah the the lighting here is is very BBC studio lighting.
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  It's not there's no attempt to sort of suggest it's like
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  flickering candle light. It's very sort of flat, but I
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  think. What you've got, like holding
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  this up, like like when you push the sort of the flat directional
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  side, is you've got a master scriptwriter, a master script
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  editor. Yeah, terrific actors like
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  there's there's just too much to enjoy.
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  Yeah, it is brilliant. And I think you know the the
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  criticisms are tight. It just doesn't look as good as
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  the best Doctor Who stories. It doesn't look as good as
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  Invasion of the Dinosaurs for the most part.
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  Is more interestingly directed by Paddy Russell.
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  But I think this has a brilliant script.
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  It's hilarious. It's Robert Holmes really
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  letting Rick he saw. It feels like his audition for
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  the top, for the sort of script editor job that he's going to
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  inherit the next season. This feels like his pitch for
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  what you can do. They sound carnival monsters.
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  I'd say like you've just got to watch those two stories and then
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  give him the job. Get like it's like obvious who
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  should do it. He really gets it and it's heal
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  out. There's so many very funny with
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  genuinely witty lines. There's not.
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  There's a lot of Pertly stories where pertly gets to be very
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  moral and get some good sort of quotable lines, but there aren't
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  that many where he gets very funny Tom Bakerish lines time
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  and time and time again. And you know, given what
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  terrorist Dick says about his roof on haircut, he doesn't get
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  to let his hair down a lot, does he?
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  But he does. In this, he gets to sort of
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  dress up. Twice, in fact.
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  One as a monk, 1 as a a night, so long as no one feels the
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  basket. OK, I've used that line so many
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  times about no one stealing the basket, about people stealing
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  everything. When you say it like, Oh yeah,
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  every time I just shove myself in their faces, you know, they
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  don't quite understand what's going on, but I do.
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  So that's all this important. So we just saw the Brigadier
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  there phase 1-2 scenes that he gets in this yeah it's tiny tiny
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  role for Nick Courtney wonder he's he's probably on retainer
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  for the episode or Barry's promised him a, you know a
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  couple of weeks pace so he pitched up.
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  What do you think about? What do you think of a man in
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  uniform? No, because I'll tell you what,
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  there ain't nothing worth looking at in that way in the
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  purple era. Mike Yates.
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  Benton. If you guys could see Matt's
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  face right now, you've been completely no, I'm I'm
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  struggling to. I'm struggling to think of any,
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  any dashing unit captains or sergeants in the purple era.
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  It kind of feels almost like the doctors doing this as a bit of a
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  favor for a mate. So he's obviously got his TARDIS
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  back. He can go wherever he wants in
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  time and space at this point. So Joe's left him.
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  So he's not hanging around because he's waiting for Joe to
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  do something. He's a free agent now.
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  There's no reason why he needs to be.
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  I know why he's he's dating the Brigadier now.
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  Because in Planet of the Spiders, they go to the theater
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  together. They're having a lovely night
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  out, man. They are.
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  They're in love. Oh, but who's this?
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  Oh, my word, who's this cuckoo in the next?
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  Can I? I'm gonna make a stab at
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  something quite controversial, I think.
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  I prefer Sarah in season 11 to 1213 and 14 now.
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  I love Sarah as a whole, but I really love this proactive
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  career woman that they present her as in this season.
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  And I find that she does. She she gets more comfortable
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  with the Doctor but she kind of falls into the damsel in
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  distress role more often than not in the Hinge Cafe in years.
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  I totally agree. I think the so my my first
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  experience of the 3rd Doctor, as I guess it is for a lot of
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  people is in the Five Doctors. So for me Sarah Jane in the 3rd
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  Doctor is is how I how I envisage the 3rd Doctor.
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  It's not the Third Doctor in Joe the the pairing that I always
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  imagined for Pertweeensladen. Ohh no, no.
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  That means that means your first view of Sarah is in that
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  dreadful, like purple Mac throwing her handbag at the bus
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  stop to escape the thing falling down that little incline in
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  Wales. Yeah, I It's really weird when
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  she throws her handbag when she's climbing over that fence
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  and she sort of arches her back backwards and hurls her handbag.
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  I reckon what happened was right is they filmed all the whales
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  stuff already and they're like, well, you haven't got a handbag.
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  She goes, don't worry, I got this.
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  I'm a pro. I've got this.
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  No, no, sorry. You were doing the impression of
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  June Brown then who's about to, who's just turned up on the
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  screen. Yeah.
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  More more of a man than her husband in this.
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  But no, I I don't think your take's controversial at all.
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  I think Sarah in season 11, she she's great in this.
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  She gets to carry a lot of the story and invasion of the
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  dinosaurs. And a lot of the story in Planet
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  for Spiders as well is driven by her investigation of the sort of
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  retreat. And then Harry sort of turns up
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  and Hinchcliffe takes over and he's got the new guy to set up
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  and he's got a new companion to play with.
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  And I think in Season 12, Sarah gets, really, it's sad.
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  She gets sidelined quite a lot she gets.
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  She gets tortured. Like more often than not.
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  She is statistically tortured in that season in the Santorin
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  experiment in Genesis of the Daleks.
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  In Revenge of the Cybermen, she gets poisoned like she goes
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  through hell back in season. But that's not to say that
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  Elizabeth Sweden isn't like massively charismatic and
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  doesn't have like terrific chemistry with Ian Martyr and
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  Tombey, because she does. But I feel like the 3rd Doctor
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  and Sarah, that's really underrated, that relationship
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  and she's created as a kind of foil for pert.
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  We as well. She's created.
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  She's created as a contrast to Joe, so Joe's very poor sort of
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  oil on the the doctor's troubled waters, she.
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  That's rude. She sort of smooth things.
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  She smooths things over when the doctor's abrasive.
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  She's very sort of loving and caring about the Doctor.
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  And then you get Sarah Jane, who's much more abrasive
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  particularly in this, than the Doctor.
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  And the Doctor suddenly forced into a bit of a Joe role.
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  He has to, he has to be bit more diplomatic because Sarah isn't
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  diplomatic at all. Contrast between like Joe coming
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  in and being like I'm your new assistant and all and completely
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  in love with him from the off. Whereas in here she's suspicious
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  of him. She sends like soldiers after
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  him you know she's terrific in this and and I think I think
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  Pert we really reacts to that quite well.
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  There's a kind of criticism of Pert we that he loses interest
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  in his final. I don't really see that.
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  I think I think he he does really well.
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  I think he's great in Invasion of the Dinosaurs.
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  He's clearly loving and he's clearly loving putting on his
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  funny accents and and stuff in the first episode.
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  I think he's great in because he knows his final story and he's
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  really putting the asset in. But you know what, right?
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  We talk about the chemistry between two leads, so I'm gonna
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  mention three scenes. Now they're not in this,
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  unfortunately, but in Death of the Daleks is a bit where the
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  Doctor says to Sarah. If if I don't come back, you've
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  got to go with the Earth people. And she objects and he like cuts
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  her face and there's a silent moment between honestly it looks
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  like they're about to kiss. It's so intimate.
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  Skip forward to Monster Peladon. There's a scene in episode 5
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  where she thinks he's dead and she's crying and it's so well
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  played between the two of them. And then skip forward to Planet
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  and the spiders where he does die, and that moment between the
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  two of them at the end of that. I think they've got great
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  chemistry. It's the bit.
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  It's the bit where she takes his Cape and smells his lap and does
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  it a little sniff. And there's just it's such a
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  beautiful nuance of performance because it feels incredibly
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  real. It's the sort of thing that.
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  In a slightly different context that Bob Peck does in Edge of
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  Darkness in his daughter's room when he's going through her
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  stuff after she's been killed and it's, yeah, it's top class
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  acting is that. And those three moments that I
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  mentioned there, that's really powerful drama by two actors,
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  like at the top of their game. So this kind of reputation at
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  season 11 is getting a bit lazy that everybody's phoning it in.
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  I can't really see that. I I completely disagree with
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  that. I think it's a strong.
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  I think it's actually a really strong season.
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  I think there are once repelled on half, half OK, half pretty
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  bad, but the rest of it. I think Death to the Daleks is
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  the direction of Death to the Daleks is really strong, but
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  that first episode is. Super atmospheric Terry Nation
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  does his usual trick of running quite strong first episode and
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  then he sort of leaves his interest in it and the IT sort
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  of tails off as it goes on. Similar to have you ever the
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  Android invasion. Have you ever looked at like a
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  pattern floor at since and been like stop, don't move, do?
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  You really? Well, you know, I, Terrence
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  Dicks probably wrote that because it also appears in To
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  Find Doctors, but it's really for kids that's really playable.
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  Yeah, they probably go to their grandparents and they've got one
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  of those tiles. I don't know what you're talking
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  about. I did that.
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  But you know, I'll forgive Monster Repelled on anything for
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  that scene in episode 6. I always say this where Falera's
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  looking at all the bodies and goes look what you've done and
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  echo things like never mind and Chris grabs her.
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  I just think that there's some great moments in that.
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  The Ice Warriors are great in that.
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  Look, we've got a stripped to the waist bit of bit.
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  Torture porn. What?
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  Do you know what? There was a scene earlier where
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  I sorry, I'm gone. Lynx was in his armor,
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  surrounded by men holding swords.
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  I've seen a few porn films start like that, you know?
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  I'll send you this could have been, yeah, send me the red tube
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  link. This could have gone in a very
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  different direction. He's got a little cod piece on
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  as well. You can see that little brown
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  cod piece over here. Like, everyone's so hairy.
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  Except that man. He's got no.
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  Hair very smooth. The links obviously waxed him to
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  torture him. Little hairy nips and he's got
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  oh here's do you know actually I would say about Time Warrior I
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  think this is probably like I think that was always really
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  good. He's just got a lot of energy in
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  this story. Like, I feel like he, I feel
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  like he's responding really well to the material in this.
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  Yeah. What do you think of this green
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  jacket? Because I'm a bit of a pertly
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  jacket fan, my favorite is the Planet and the Daleks one.
• 23:44
  That sort of purple one. The one off?
• 23:50
  OK, I don't like the time monster one.
• 23:53
  That kind of orangey 1. The one that he wears in the the
• 23:57
  Three Doctors as well, yeah. Check on that.
• 24:00
  Yeah, what about you? What's your favorite?
• 24:02
  What's your favorite in Pertweek Jacket?
• 24:04
  Watch. Well, I I I sort of actually,
• 24:09
  having just slagged off the story, I really like the one in
• 24:12
  the Monster Paladon, which is also green, but it's a much
• 24:15
  darker. It's gorgeous.
• 24:18
  In fact, he's got a sort of green shirt with it.
• 24:20
  That's right, he looks stunning and it looks gorgeous.
• 24:23
  I think the designer, because there's a lot of green in that,
• 24:26
  isn't it? You've got Alpha Centauri this
• 24:27
  the Ice Warriors. Yeah, it's quite, it's quite
• 24:32
  like bold colors. Maybe they're just trying to
• 24:34
  make it look a bit more interesting than than it
• 24:36
  actually is. This is this is quite an
• 24:39
  interesting story for the use of costume color as well because
• 24:43
  the Doctor and Sarah there are in brown and green.
• 24:46
  If you look at the Edwards man, like how Lady Eleanor, they're
• 24:50
  all in brown and green as well. And then Iron Gron's men are all
• 24:53
  in red and black, and obviously Links is wearing the black.
• 24:58
  So I think there's definitely a sort of use of color to signify
• 25:04
  the two sides. So the sort of dirty Browns and
• 25:07
  greens versus the bit more sort of military Reds and blacks of
• 25:12
  the the bad guys. See, that's why you're here.
• 25:15
  Smart observations like that. I'm just here to say like I've
• 25:20
  got a question for you if you think I'm going to spend my time
• 25:24
  making cups of coffee for you. I mean, this story gets
• 25:29
  criticized a lot for the sexism. What what?
• 25:32
  What do you say to that? Do you think this is quite a
• 25:35
  sexist story? In what terms?
• 25:38
  I don't think this is. Because.
• 25:40
  Because the Doctor says to Sarah, you could make me a cup
• 25:43
  of coffee. So, so in terms of the Doctor
• 25:46
  being sexist. Yeah, and why she's in a
• 25:51
  heartbeat. So I think Sarah is actually
• 25:54
  more competent than the Doctor throughout much of this.
• 25:57
  So that kind of blows that argument out the window.
• 26:02
  I mean, I I kind of think that the doctor's deliberately
• 26:05
  winding her up and doesn't. He isn't sexist and he isn't
• 26:09
  actually expecting her to go and make him a coffee.
• 26:12
  The way that that we plays that is.
• 26:14
  I'm winding you up. I'm needling you because I know
• 26:17
  that it's going to get a rise out of you and that's going to
• 26:20
  entertain me while I'm stuck in this boring.
• 26:24
  Research facility. Whatever.
• 26:26
  I mean, when she comes face to face with, like, sexism later
• 26:30
  on, she literally says, doesn't she?
• 26:32
  You know what? Subservient poppycock.
• 26:35
  She's still living in the Middle Ages.
• 26:38
  And and she's got her, she has to encounter those kind of
• 26:42
  normal attitudes of the sort of 70s and obviously in history to
• 26:48
  be able to react against them otherwise.
• 26:51
  She just, she just looked nuts if she just started wandering
• 26:54
  around shouting women's lips, slogans.
• 26:58
  Another criticism, sorry, another criticism that I've
• 27:01
  heard about this. I'm just dropping it in here
• 27:04
  because it's just happened, is that we don't see Sarah's first
• 27:07
  trip in the TARDIS. Like, obviously we see her go
• 27:10
  in, we see her come out and go, oh, it's still only a police
• 27:12
  box, very underplayed. But we didn't see her go in and
• 27:16
  have like that. It's bigger on the inside
• 27:18
  moment. Is that a problem?
• 27:23
  I I think it would be a prob. I don't think it is.
• 27:27
  I think it would have been hard to do in this story.
• 27:29
  It would have broken the flow. Sarah needs to sort of follow
• 27:34
  the Doctor, or she needs to wander into the TARDIS and the
• 27:37
  Doctor doesn't know she's there, so it's hard to do that without.
• 27:43
  Having a whole load of setup like imagine when Tegan does
• 27:47
  something similar in the goblets you've got to have a sort of
• 27:49
  wandering round going, my name, my name is Tegan Geranco and
• 27:53
  then wandering off into the ship it's it's really hard to turn it
• 27:57
  no who's ever in charge of this ship.
• 28:02
  And and it's not important to this story.
• 28:04
  What's important is she has a culture shock by troubling back
• 28:08
  in time. So the Middle Ages, what if you
• 28:11
  if you had that TARDIS scene, that TARDIS interior scene, then
• 28:16
  I think, OK, so you need to take a massive step out of logic for
• 28:21
  her to assume that this is still the same place and time, but
• 28:25
  like a pageant version of history.
• 28:28
  And I think if you had that scene in the TARDIS, then you'd
• 28:31
  have to explain to her about time travel, about like, I think
• 28:35
  in order to to make that make sense, like in a character way,
• 28:39
  to have her just step in and step out.
• 28:42
  It's kind of all all you you're allowed to see, Yeah, they're
• 28:45
  not making sense. And it it makes sense for the
• 28:47
  the audience get what's happened.
• 28:50
  We don't, we don't need to see it.
• 28:52
  Plus obviously then there's all the logistics that they would
• 28:55
  have had to build the target set.
• 28:56
  Yeah, and take up studio space for Fortnight.
• 29:01
  For the two episodes recording with the TARDIS set for one
• 29:04
  scene, they said they didn't even take the TARDIS prop on
• 29:07
  location when they needed it. So the guy said that the special
• 29:10
  features he's like. He said to his procs men, where
• 29:12
  the hell is the TARDIS? Surely he's a prerequisite of a
• 29:15
  Doctor Who story? You take the TARDIS on location
• 29:18
  and they forgot to have to film those bits later.
• 29:22
  Madness. It's.
• 29:23
  Amazing.