Latest / Mini Scroll / MINI SCROLL: How Bumble alienated Gen Z with anti-celibacy ads
Transcript
- 0:00Hi everyone, Welcome to Mini Scroll, the daily Internet
- 0:03culture podcast bringing you the biggest stories from social
- 0:06media, the creator economy and the digital space.
- 0:08Every Monday through Thursday. I'm your host, Lauren Meisner,
- 0:11the founder of the youth digital media brand Centennial World.
- 0:16Welcome back to Mini Scroll, everyone.
- 0:18I am in my Fashion Week outfit. Well, I have been the last two
- 0:21days, but this was the first day that I was like, dressed by a
- 0:24brand. So that's why I might look a
- 0:26little bit fancier, but it was actually my last day at Fashion
- 0:29Week. So Alex is going to something
- 0:31later this week for us. And then that is it.
- 0:36A wrap on Fashion Week? Oh my God.
- 0:37Also, I had such a wild experience last night.
- 0:41I talked about it on TikTok. I've been vlogging my week for
- 0:44you guys, so go follow me on TikTok if you don't, which I
- 0:47don't think hardly any of you do, 'cause I don't even have
- 0:501000 followers. But I talked about in that vlog
- 0:53and I put it on my reels as well on Instagram.
- 0:55But last night I was at a fashion show.
- 0:57It was a nighttime show and on one side, on my left was a man
- 1:02who was like normal and we were making small talk and whatever.
- 1:05And then on my right was another man.
- 1:06And as soon as he sat down, I could just tell he was really
- 1:11drunk and just so obnoxious and loud and Oh my God, he was
- 1:16getting in my space so much. Like he would just like lean
- 1:19over and like make jokes. And anyways, I went into detail
- 1:22about it, but it escalated after a man on my left told him to
- 1:28leave me alone because he just wouldn't get out of my space.
- 1:30He kept talking to me, He kept, like harassing me and bothering
- 1:32me. And at one point I was just
- 1:34like, I don't know what's going on.
- 1:36Basically saying like, please leave me alone.
- 1:38And then that's one guy on my left said to him like, leave her
- 1:41alone, dude, Like, stop. And that pissed him off.
- 1:45And he ended up pushing me with all of his might.
- 1:49Both arms, like, fully pushed me right into this other man,
- 1:53'cause he was pissed, presumably, that we were telling
- 1:56him to stop and to like, leave us alone.
- 1:59And I fell backwards. It's like benches that you sit
- 2:02on at Fashion Week. So there was nothing behind me.
- 2:04I was falling backwards, thank God.
- 2:07I caught myself and the guy helped me on my left, helped me
- 2:09kind of like get back up. So I didn't fully fall on the
- 2:12ground, but it was horrific. So that was Fashion Week Day 2
- 2:15for me. But I just came back from a show
- 2:17and that was an amazing experience.
- 2:19I had a good time today, so let's get in to today's episode.
- 2:24I was asked to speak about the Bumble Celibacy ad and apology,
- 2:30and I was going to make it one of three stories today.
- 2:33But as I started thinking about it and writing it out, I
- 2:35realized there's just so much to say.
- 2:37So this will be the only story for today and then tomorrow,
- 2:41even if like the most happens overnight, I will just give you
- 2:44guys as many stories as I need to because I still really want
- 2:47to talk about the two other stories that I had for today.
- 2:49But I just, it's going to be way too long.
- 2:51So let's get into Bumble And this, I feel, deserves its own
- 2:54episode. All right, So Bumble has
- 2:56apologized for its anti celibacy ads that sparked backlash
- 3:01earlier this week. So some background on these ads.
- 3:04As part of a rebrand for Bumble, the company placed billboards
- 3:07all around LA that poked fun at women choosing voluntary
- 3:10celibacy, 1 Billboard said. You know full well a vow of
- 3:14celibacy is not the answer and another said thou shalt not give
- 3:18up on dating and become a nun. Understandably, the advertising
- 3:22sparked intense backlash online, as obviously women are not
- 3:26resorting to something as extreme as celibacy or like,
- 3:30fully giving up dating for fun, right?
- 3:33It's a it's a result of fearing for their safety and an
- 3:37amalgamation of experiences that just makes them feel like
- 3:40there's no point and I might as well just protect myself and my
- 3:45peace and stop dating. So this campaign was part of a
- 3:50bigger rebrand for Bumble. A few weeks ago, Bumble wiped
- 3:54its Instagram account and started teasing a new vibe for
- 3:57the brand. They posted a bunch of those,
- 4:00like, dramatic painting inspired images of Victorian era women
- 4:05who were tired of dating. You know, the ones they were
- 4:08like, lounging around. It's the meme, right?
- 4:11They posted a bunch of things that were like related to the
- 4:14meme, you know, that baby that like Victorian era baby that's
- 4:17like wrapped up like swaddled. And it's like me when I get home
- 4:20from work, like that's literally me.
- 4:22That is actually me. So this style of imagery is a
- 4:26very popular on TikTok. It's a meme that young people
- 4:30recognize, obviously. And it was a very chronically
- 4:33online move for the brand and prior to them announcing what
- 4:37this actual rebrand was, which was essentially just some
- 4:41feature updates and allowing in some cases men to message first,
- 4:46which already sparked some backlash considering bumbles.
- 4:49Whole thing is like you make the first move, women taking their
- 4:52power back and dating. But anyways, people had high
- 4:55hopes for this rebrand and it was like, Oh my God, they're
- 4:58really targeting Gen. Z.
- 4:59And this is going to work because the imagery and the vibe
- 5:03of their Instagram account of their socials, like it felt very
- 5:06of the moment. It felt very on the pulse.
- 5:09So there were high hopes, but like I said, those high hopes
- 5:12came crashing down. I mean, crashing is a bit
- 5:14extreme, but people, it didn't live up to what people I think
- 5:18hoped for or expected. Based on the hype and I would
- 5:22say based on the rebrand, like the imagery that they used, the
- 5:27meme culture that they were leaning into, I would say that
- 5:30this rebrand was targeted at Gen.
- 5:32ZI. Think that makes sense.
- 5:33Gen. Z probably has the biggest
- 5:35cohort of single women, and there has been research over the
- 5:39years that shows Gen. Z is actually less sexually
- 5:43active and less interested in dating than previous
- 5:45generations. And we also know that Gen.
- 5:47Z is just not as enamored with dating apps and online dating as
- 5:52previous generations were. I mean, I know for me, I was
- 5:55single when Bumble came out in my early 20s and it was so
- 5:59exciting. And Tinder too.
- 6:01Like I was on those apps when they first came out and it was
- 6:04literally just Bumble and Tinder were the only two.
- 6:06I'm sure there were other dating apps, but those were the two
- 6:08that people were using and it was so exciting.
- 6:11It was like something we've never seen before.
- 6:13It was so novel. And obviously that's just not
- 6:15how Gen. Z feels about it because they've
- 6:17grown up their whole dating life, they've had apps, so they
- 6:21are a difficult generation to reach in general for brands, but
- 6:26especially, I would say, for dating apps.
- 6:28The two biggest theories that people have when it comes to
- 6:32what went wrong here is the first people think there were no
- 6:36women in the room of like conceptualizing this campaign.
- 6:40And the second is they think Bumble didn't pre test this
- 6:44campaign, which is I'm not super sure, I might get this slightly
- 6:48wrong, but it's basically when they hire some external company
- 6:50and they like bring it to market before a brand actually brings
- 6:55it to market, you know, so they like test how consumers react to
- 6:59it, engage with it and feel about it.
- 7:01So those are the two biggest things that I've seen on like
- 7:03marketing TikTok where people think that this went wrong, what
- 7:07I think went wrong. I don't think there was
- 7:09necessarily no women in the room.
- 7:11I think there might have not been any Gen.
- 7:14Zed women in the room. And the reason why I think that
- 7:18is because to me, this feels like they tried to reach Gen.
- 7:22Z by speaking to them as if Bumble is their friend.
- 7:26Like they tried to jump in on Gen.
- 7:28ZS very like specific and savage kind of humor that is very
- 7:32unique to that generation. But the problem is that, and I
- 7:36see marketers do this a lot, they lump millennials and Gen.
- 7:41Z together as just one big generation of like young people.
- 7:45And they don't realize that there are so many differences
- 7:48between these two generations for millennials.
- 7:50We loved when brands spoke to us like our friends.
- 7:53Like if you think about the culture we grew up in, it was
- 7:56pre social media, it was magazines like that was our
- 7:59culture. That is how our formative years,
- 8:01like our preteen and teen years, that's what that was all about.
- 8:05And the concept of a magazine, especially like a preteen or a
- 8:08teen magazine, is to be like your bigger sister who is
- 8:11speaking to you like somebody who is older than you and is in
- 8:15the know and is giving you advice, right.
- 8:16That's kind of the whole thing, the whole shtick of those kinds
- 8:19of magazines. So millennials, like we were
- 8:22down as fuck to be told who we were, what we liked, what we
- 8:26should be doing, what we should try.
- 8:28And we were down for that. To come from like a friendly
- 8:31quote, UN quote, voice Gen. Z is very different.
- 8:35They did not grow up with that type of media.
- 8:37They didn't grow up with magazines in that same way.
- 8:40And they grew up with influencer culture.
- 8:42They didn't grow up with people telling them what to do or who
- 8:45to be. They grew up with this whole
- 8:47platform like social media where you could find any type of
- 8:51person that you thought was cool and you could, you know, follow
- 8:54them and emulate them. And social media just gives you
- 8:57such an opportunity to express yourself and find your own niche
- 9:01where you don't have to be so uniform in the same way that
- 9:04previous generations you know, who are reading all the same
- 9:06magazines. We ended up being very much the
- 9:08same. So as a result, Gen.
- 9:11Z is not so interested in being spoken to in that way of, like,
- 9:17telling them what to do. So the actual, like, ad copy on
- 9:20these billboards just didn't hit 'cause it was quite literally
- 9:22like, Thou shalt not like telling them what to do.
- 9:25And they do not like that, even if it's like in a funny, quirky
- 9:29kind of way. Gen.
- 9:30Z doesn't want that, like, friendship vibe from brands.
- 9:33Instead, they really want brands to address issues and they want
- 9:37to feel supported and heard by the brands that they support.
- 9:41They want to feel in control. So off the bat, this messaging
- 9:45was always going to fall flat with Gen.
- 9:46Z. And another big aspect of Gen.
- 9:49Z is that they are a generation who are change makers and they
- 9:54set boundaries. And we know this, We know we
- 9:57talk about it all the time. Like there's so much
- 10:00conversation about how Gen. Z has all these boundaries in
- 10:02the workplace. And you know, it's the same old
- 10:04thing. Millennials were entitled and
- 10:06Gen. Z doesn't have a work ethic or
- 10:07whatever. You know, every generation has
- 10:09their thing when they're coming up and they're young, and the
- 10:12older generations don't understand how they work.
- 10:14But that's Gen. Z's thing, is that they have
- 10:17these boundaries, right? So another aspect of why this
- 10:20didn't work out is bumbles ads. They were making light of this
- 10:24boundary, which is something that really defines Gen.
- 10:27Z and is kind of their superpower.
- 10:30However, the missing piece here that I have seen no one else
- 10:33discuss is why dating has become worse for Gen.
- 10:39Z women and I do believe that that comes down to Internet
- 10:42culture. Young men now are so much more
- 10:45likely to be exposed to misogynistic anti woman and in
- 10:51cell ideology online than previous generations thanks to
- 10:55the rise of social media and in particular in the last couple of
- 10:58years TikTok. So previously men who wanted to
- 11:02interact with that type of content engage in that kind of
- 11:05ideology. They had to actively seek it out
- 11:07on places like Reddit or 4 Chan or probably deeper darker places
- 11:12on the Internet that I don't even know about.
- 11:14But now when you're just scrolling your for you page, you
- 11:17know you could be delivered content like that let's say
- 11:20about looks maxing for example, right.
- 11:22Which is not inherently anti woman but can open you up to the
- 11:28red pill or even black pilled pipeline.
- 11:32I mean how many of us like women?
- 11:34I know most. It's mostly women that listen to
- 11:36this podcast. How many of us are scrolling
- 11:38TikTok And we see content like that ourselves, right?
- 11:41Like, I've seen so many videos about looks maxing.
- 11:43I did a whole podcast episode because I just kept getting
- 11:46bombarded by content about looks maxing.
- 11:48And if you Google looks maxing, like every major publisher has
- 11:51covered it because it is so prevalent on TikTok.
- 11:54Or if you think about a couple years ago, before he was banned
- 11:56off of everything, like Andrew Tate was everywhere there for a
- 11:59couple of months. You know, scrolling your free
- 12:02page, you could not get off of it.
- 12:03I mean, what about like, all those like, bro podcasts, right?
- 12:07We're all exposed to that all the time now.
- 12:10Whereas we would have literally never, especially as women, we
- 12:14probably would have never been exposed to anything like that
- 12:17before. TikTok.
- 12:18So this constant exposure has made Gen.
- 12:23Zed and Gen. Alpha men much more outwardly
- 12:26misogynistic now. I don't want to get it twisted.
- 12:28This is not me saying that Gen. Z or Gen.
- 12:31Alpha are more misogynistic than previous generations, because I
- 12:36think in many ways that's absolutely not true.
- 12:39But I think it has become more socially acceptable to a follow
- 12:45these role models quote UN quote who do espouse these types of
- 12:50anti woman misogynistic in cell views.
- 12:53And BI think boys and young men are more empowered than ever at
- 12:57the moment to be outwardly anti woman because of how popular
- 13:02this type of content is. And that doesn't even touch on
- 13:05the fact that constantly being exposed to this type of content,
- 13:09whether you're seeking it out or not or you believe in it or not,
- 13:12like how that must be inherently changing the way that boys and
- 13:17young men think about women, their attitudes towards women,
- 13:21their behaviors towards women. Like I think a lot of it would
- 13:24be subconscious and happening without them even realizing it.
- 13:27The other side of that is this exposure to this type of
- 13:31content, like I said, is not exclusive to a man's for You
- 13:36page or a boys for you page. Women are being fed this too.
- 13:39That's just how algorithms work, right?
- 13:41It's like you like one video and they're like going to test the
- 13:44waters and show you something else.
- 13:45And it could be totally out of left field, but it will have
- 13:47like some very slight connection to what you just liked.
- 13:51So women are constantly also being fed all of this content
- 13:55that is anti woman misogynistic in cell vibes that we would have
- 13:59not known about necessarily prior to social media and
- 14:03platforms like TikTok and Twitter.
- 14:05So that has made young women more aware of how dangerous men
- 14:10can be. And this is definitely a
- 14:12generalization, but I would say that young women of previous
- 14:19generations were a little bit more ignorant to how dangerous
- 14:23men could be and how unsafe they actually were around men.
- 14:27And social media, particularly TikTok, has really lifted that
- 14:31veil for the whole generation. And like I said, Gen.
- 14:34Z, they're change makers, they set boundaries and they stick to
- 14:37those boundaries. So the changing culture online
- 14:41and how that is impacting young women dating right now, they're
- 14:45setting a boundary for themselves.
- 14:47They're saying we're not going to stand for men being so
- 14:49violent towards us, so anti woman so misogynistic, we're not
- 14:54going to stand for this many men like buying into the red pill
- 14:57ideology, black pill ideology in sell stuff.
- 15:00So to counteract that we're just going to stop dating.
- 15:04So all of that to say, Bumble obviously made this big mistake
- 15:08in their marketing and sure it might have been because there
- 15:11were no women in the room or it might have been because they
- 15:14didn't do pre testing on the campaign.
- 15:17But what I think also happened is that Bumble didn't have a
- 15:20strong understanding of why young women are putting up these
- 15:24dating boundaries and the culture online that has fostered
- 15:29those boundaries. I think that this campaign is a
- 15:32fundamental misunderstanding of Internet culture and Gen.
- 15:37Z Internet culture. So one day after the backlash
- 15:41really exploded online, Bumble issued a statement and actually
- 15:45apologized. So they wrote to our beloved
- 15:48Bumble community. We made a mistake.
- 15:50Our ads referencing celibacy were an attempt to lean into a
- 15:53community frustrated by modern dating, and instead of bringing
- 15:56joy and humor, we unintentionally did the
- 15:58opposite. Some of the perspectives we
- 16:01heard were from those who shared that celibacy is the only answer
- 16:04when reproductive rights are continuously restricted from
- 16:07others for whom celibacy is a choice, one that we respect, and
- 16:11from the asexual community for whom celibacy can have a
- 16:14particular meaning and importance which should not be
- 16:17diminished. We are also aware that for many,
- 16:20celibacy may be brought on by harm or trauma.
- 16:24For years, Bumble has passionately stood up for women
- 16:26and marginalized communities and their right to fully exercise
- 16:29personal choice. We didn't live up to these
- 16:31values for this campaign and we apologize for the harm it
- 16:34caused. So this apology has actually
- 16:37been received quite well as far as I've seen.
- 16:40It was very quick, which we appreciate.
- 16:42You know, the general consumer, if you sit on something for too
- 16:45long, it makes us feel like you are conspiring with PR teams.
- 16:50And like, we know we know that every brand and every big
- 16:53celebrity influencer that apologizes has a team behind
- 16:56them helping them, but it makes it feel more authentic if it's a
- 16:58really quick apology. So it was very quick.
- 17:01It was explained really well, like what they did wrong, why it
- 17:04was wrong, who they hurt, what they said about being hurt.
- 17:08And then they finished by saying what they're going to be doing.
- 17:12So they said, we're removing these ads from our global
- 17:14marketing campaign. Bumble will be making a donation
- 17:17to the National Domestic Violence Hotline, among other
- 17:20organizations as a part of our ongoing efforts to support the
- 17:23work being done around the world to support women, marginalized
- 17:26communities and those impacted by abuse.
- 17:28We will also be offering these partners this billboard space to
- 17:32display an ad for their choice for the duration of our reserved
- 17:34billboard time. So of course, giving a tangible
- 17:38example of how they're going to use this and make good from it
- 17:42by giving that billboard space away and making those donations
- 17:47in general, this was a very good apology.
- 17:49I think this is the last misstep of this magnitude that we will
- 17:52probably see from them. I don't think they'll do
- 17:55anything like this ever again. I think they'll be much more
- 17:58aware and much more conscious. And I think at the end of the
- 18:02day, after getting an apology like that, that's all we can ask
- 18:06for, right? Is just you stick to what you
- 18:08said, which is this one against our values.
- 18:11Let's get back to our core values.
- 18:13All right, guys. Well, that's it for today.
- 18:15I hope you enjoyed this little kind of like a mini breakdown, a
- 18:19mini deep dive. As I said, I will have more
- 18:22stories for you guys tomorrow. OK, guys, thank you so much for
- 18:24listening. I love you guys and I will talk
- 18:26to you tomorrow. Bye.