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D4VD TRIAL: CELESTE BESTIE, "CELESTE WAS PREGNANT" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Bombshell tonight, David Anthony Burke aka D four v D
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Speaker 1: heading to trial this as celeste bestie says Celeste was
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Speaker 1: pregnant just before her murder. Reminder, Celeste eleven years old.
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Speaker 1: When D four v D David Anthony Burke begins to
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Speaker 1: groom her, good evening. I'm Nancy, Grace. This is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: He has ripped her apart and there she sits in
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Speaker 2: this house.
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Speaker 1: He blames the smell of this child's decomposing body on
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Speaker 1: his bathroom.
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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, Sphinx, this is human remains that are decomposing.
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Speaker 2: A true child, a human being.
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Speaker 1: Joining us now from outside a courtroom, Lauren Conlin, she
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Speaker 1: is contribut for LA magazine. Lauren, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. They keep calling this a preliminary hearing. It
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Speaker 1: is not a preliminary hearing in the true sense of
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Speaker 1: the word as we understand it. Anyway, where witnesses are called,
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Speaker 1: evidence is proffered to establish probable cause, in essence to
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Speaker 1: bind the case over for trial. So why the hearing?
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Speaker 3: Yes, Nancy, as you said, it's not the actual preliminary
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Speaker 3: hearing which is scheduled for the twenty sixth. The purpose
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Speaker 3: of today is more of a conference in order to
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Speaker 3: determine that the evidence is sufficient for the preliminary hearing.
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Speaker 3: The prosecutors mentioned during the last hearing that there was
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Speaker 3: a voluminous amount of discovery and the LAPD was actually
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Speaker 3: still uploading some of these files. So they need to
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Speaker 3: meet today to determine whether or not the defense has everything,
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Speaker 3: the prosecutors have everything, and things can move forward as
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Speaker 3: planned for the twenty six because, as you said, they
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Speaker 3: have to determine that there's enough evidence for this to
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Speaker 3: move forward to trial. Since David was arrested on probable cause,
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Speaker 3: and the Los Angeles Superior Court dockets they are such
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Speaker 3: a mess sometimes, Nancy. They mislabeled the times, they mislabeled
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Speaker 3: the hearings, So I mean, those are kind of tough
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Speaker 3: to pay attention to.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is why so important that your station
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Speaker 1: at a courthouse, Lauren Collin question, who is stating there
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Speaker 1: are voluminous amounts of evidence, who is stating.
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Speaker 3: That this is Best Silverman stating that, And she's the ADA,
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Speaker 3: she is spearheading this case, and she's been on the
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Speaker 3: case from the start. She convened the Grand jury and
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Speaker 3: Beth is determined here. I mean, she is one of
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Speaker 3: the fiercest homicide prosecutors in Los Angeles. So if she
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Speaker 3: says they have a lot of evidence, then Nancy, they
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Speaker 3: got a lot of evidence.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin everyone joining us. She is at Courthouse contributor
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Speaker 1: LA Magazine. Many people are questioning why there was such
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Speaker 1: a delay in actually arresting David Anthony Burke aka D
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Speaker 1: four VD. Some legal eagles believe that you just mentioned
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Speaker 1: the police are still amassing evidence that the delay was
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Speaker 1: because of a wire tap, and they were waiting based
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Speaker 1: on his track record of being so arrogant, posting celested online,
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Speaker 1: posting videos images that will only hurt him at trial.
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Speaker 1: I believe that he may have slipped up and confessed
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Speaker 1: online or at least made incriminating statements. Do you think
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Speaker 1: that's possible? And that is what police LAPD is waiting on.
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Speaker 1: That is a delay establishing the wire tap validity and
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Speaker 1: transcribing them. They've got to be transcribed. Is that why
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Speaker 1: there is a delay. Do you know anything?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's a possibility, Nancy. I've heard the same.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's tough to know right now at this
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Speaker 3: very moment. But from everything that we've learned, and by
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Speaker 3: the way, there are so many screenshots of text messages
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Speaker 3: and and you know, correspondences of David going around online,
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Speaker 3: it's tough to see what's real and what's not. But
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Speaker 3: obviously we're going to find out soon from prosecutors. But again,
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Speaker 3: everything we know about this case, allegedly you know, murdered
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Speaker 3: her allegedly and then kept her in his own car.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I would absolutely believe that that this guy
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Speaker 3: slipped up somehow, but you know, the DA Nathan Hoffman
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Speaker 3: was actually asked this question by a reporter when he
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Speaker 3: first gave a press conference on this why did it
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Speaker 3: take so long? And he basically said that, you know,
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Speaker 3: this case was or is a case where they had
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Speaker 3: to be so certain. They had to ensure they had
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Speaker 3: every single piece of digital and forensic evidence that they
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Speaker 3: could because there is no witness to this crime. This
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Speaker 3: crime was not caught on camera. A majority of the
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Speaker 3: evidence is circumstantial, and so they needed to make their
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Speaker 3: case as airtight as possible. And in terms of the wiretap, again,
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Speaker 3: I think it's entirely possible because I think from everything
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Speaker 3: I've learned so far, that David is incredibly stupid.
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Speaker 1: Well, right now we're showing video of D four v
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Speaker 1: D David Anthony Burke at a school without permission. We
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Speaker 1: now know he paid a student one thousand dollars to
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Speaker 1: give Celeste a secret burner phone that our parents wouldn't
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Speaker 1: find out. Hey, last question, I know you're ducking back
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom, Lauren Conlin. Is it true that David
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Speaker 1: Anthony Burke insisted on a glow up a glam squad
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Speaker 1: before he would put a toe in the courtroom? Question?
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Speaker 1: Who does he think he is?
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Speaker 3: Well, it's true he did ask for a haircut, and
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Speaker 3: he asked obviously to wear street clothes, you know, And
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Speaker 3: I don't really understand why because there's no jury there,
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Speaker 3: right and this is not exactly a streaming live although
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Speaker 3: we will get some hopefully some type of footage at
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Speaker 3: some point. But I did notice, Nancy, you know, he
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Speaker 3: was denied the haircut, but when he shaved, let me
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Speaker 3: tell you, in my opinion, he looked so much younger,
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Speaker 3: and that is clearly strategy. And one other thing I
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Speaker 3: want to point out about the schools, I did a
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Speaker 3: deep dive on that. I actually called some of the
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Speaker 3: schools that he was loitering outside of They had no
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Speaker 3: idea that he was going to do that, They had
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Speaker 3: no affiliation with him. He did not contact the schools,
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Speaker 3: and the schools only found out because of social media
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Speaker 3: because students were sharing that he was going to be
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Speaker 3: next door to the school giving tickets away or doing
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Speaker 3: some sort of scavenger hunt on social media. That is
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Speaker 3: not okay. There are fourteen year olds, you know, to
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Speaker 3: seventeen year olds that attend high school, and he was
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Speaker 3: eighteen or nineteen years old when he did this.
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Speaker 1: Well, hey, fourteen years old for Dforvday, that's no spring chicken,
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Speaker 1: because Celeste was eleven when he first began pursuing her. Fourteen,
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Speaker 1: that's an old spinster woman for D four VD. You
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Speaker 1: stay that he's trying to look younger. What what is
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Speaker 1: he gonna wear a onesie in a passy look younger?
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Speaker 1: I mean? And another thing about his demand for a
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Speaker 1: glow up. He wants to wear pressed khaki pants and
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Speaker 1: a button down. Since when in the last let's just
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Speaker 1: guess ten years, has this guy ever worn khaki's in
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Speaker 1: a button down? No, he's pulling a menandez, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: mean it never ends. Okay, Lauren Collins straight back into
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Speaker 1: the court room. Thank you for joining us.
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Speaker 4: It's kind of giving Harley Quinn, Oh my kids?
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Speaker 5: And then wait, wait to this, sirs, walkers, where's the
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Speaker 5: body glitter?
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Speaker 6: We're going to be USA. Now's the body glitter? From
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Speaker 6: Claire from Okay, clear litter?
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Speaker 7: Okay, okay, chat, I'm gonna show you guys.
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Speaker 1: Let's hone in on the moment where David Anthony Burke
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Speaker 1: is speaking to another person at the home, a female
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Speaker 1: and a male. We're honing in on the woman saying yeah,
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Speaker 1: you killed her and the male saying yeah, me and
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Speaker 1: David listen carefully.
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Speaker 6: It's kind of giving Harley Quinn. Okay, oh my goods.
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Speaker 1: And then wad Joe Scott Morgan is joining us with
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Speaker 1: an all star panel, but first two death investigator Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Joe Scott, you and I have literally handled
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Speaker 1: thousands of cases, including countless homicide cases. The people in
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Speaker 1: their orbit, what do they have on blinders? Are they deaf?
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Speaker 1: Dumb and blind? They video this? Can this girl talking
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Speaker 1: about where's my body glitter? Can she not hear what
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Speaker 1: I just heard? A woman and a man? I think
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Speaker 1: I know who they are. But the woman says, tell
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Speaker 1: me about Celeste. Oh uh, And the woman says, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you killed her. And then the man, who I also
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Speaker 1: think I know who it is, says yeah, me and David.
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Speaker 1: Can those other people in the room not hear it?
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Speaker 1: Are they more worried about their body glitter?
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Speaker 2: I have no idea that this is what I do know.
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Speaker 2: Did those people have any knowledge that there was a
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Speaker 2: minor child, you know, in dwelling in and in this
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Speaker 2: environment that had been there? And then they're so Nancy.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you, when the tale is told, this
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Speaker 2: video clip itself is going to go down in infamy.
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Speaker 2: Infamy they want to be they want to be social
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Speaker 2: media famous. Well, welcome to the show, ladies, because I
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Speaker 2: got to tell you this is the stuff of a
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Speaker 2: horror movie. And the thing about it is is that
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Speaker 2: you think about the status of Celeste at this moment
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Speaker 2: in time, okay, and you consider what they're doing this
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Speaker 2: when taking in totality is one of the most callous
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Speaker 2: things that I have seen in the media in some time.
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Speaker 2: And that's saying a lot, because I watch I'm always
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Speaker 2: involved in things all the time. I cannot I didn't
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Speaker 2: think that this could get any darker. But my lord Nancy,
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Speaker 2: this is horrible.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to play this one more time for
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Speaker 1: our other guests. And we think we know who the
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Speaker 1: speakers are. We believe we've identified them. That said, we're
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Speaker 1: going to refer to the female as Witness one, the
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Speaker 1: person who we believe is the defendant yes, and Witness
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Speaker 1: two is the male who states yeah, me and David.
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Speaker 1: And what is just so amazing to me is we
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Speaker 1: can hear this and everyone else is acting like they
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Speaker 1: hear nothing. Let's hear the long form. Please control room.
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Speaker 4: It's kind of giving Harley Quinn, Oh my good.
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Speaker 5: And then wait to us, sirs, suckers, where's the body glitter?
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Speaker 6: We're going to be USA Tours the body glitter from Claire.
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Speaker 7: From Okay, okay, chat, I'm gonna show you guys.
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Speaker 1: I am listening really carefully because you know what, let
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Speaker 1: me go straight out to renow it. Psychomanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany is joining us from this jurisdiction there in California,
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Speaker 1: host of a new podcast on the Couch with doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: author of deal Breaker. You can see her now on
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Speaker 1: Bravo and Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany marshall
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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Bethany, let's see the transcript. As we're talking,
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Speaker 1: you hear Witness one, the female tell me more about Celeste.
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Speaker 1: Oh uh, Witness one. The female, Yeah, you killed her.
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Speaker 1: Witness to the male says yeah, me and David, okay,
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Speaker 1: very carefully. Witness Won. The female tell me more about Celeste.
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Speaker 1: Oh uh. I guess he's wondering what am I gonna
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Speaker 1: say because she's gone, she's dead. Witness Won. The female, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you killed her. Witness too says yeah, me and David.
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Speaker 1: But then look at this, Doctor Bethany. Who oh, they're
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Speaker 1: all in the bathroom. You know what's happening right there,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, I guarantee you. The man speaker is saying,
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Speaker 1: sh they're gonna hear you. And Burke says, they're all
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Speaker 1: in the bathroom, and Witness Won. The female says, don't
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Speaker 1: look at me for saying it out loud. They know
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Speaker 1: exactly what's going on, and they don't want the women
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Speaker 1: in the bathroom to hear them talking about Celeste being killed.
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Speaker 8: Nancy. They all know what's going on. And I look
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Speaker 8: at this through the lens of domestic violence. And you know,
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Speaker 8: the one way I can tell an abuser when they
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Speaker 8: come into my office is they start vilifying the partner.
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Speaker 8: Oh she's bad, Oh she's talking to other people, she's
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Speaker 8: a flirt, she's this, that and the other. And they
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Speaker 8: tried to groom me or brainwashing, brainwash me into hating
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Speaker 8: their domestic violence victims. So what I hear is allegedly
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Speaker 8: David Burke grooming this entire household into hating Celeste.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, you're right, look at the rest. Look at
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Speaker 1: the rest, because you hear the female say, well, what
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Speaker 1: did she look like? Were you close to her? And
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Speaker 1: you hear witness to state give him a second. So
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Speaker 1: apparently David Anthony Burt is having a hard time describing Celeste,
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Speaker 1: and then the woman says, you don't know what she
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Speaker 1: looked like, and Burke says, you can describe her.
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Speaker 4: Neo.
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Speaker 1: He calls the speaker neo. That's why we think we
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Speaker 1: know who the male is. So they're talking about Celis.
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Speaker 1: Celeste is dead, and they're so arrogant. They say, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you killed her, and Witness two says yeah, me and David,
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Speaker 1: I mean, hold on, just a moment straight out to
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Speaker 1: John Bueller, joining US former detective out of Modesto PD
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Speaker 1: robbery homicide who's shot to fame helping to lead the
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Speaker 1: investigation and prosecution against wife killer, baby killer Scott Peterson.
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Speaker 1: John Bueller, I mean, how much evidence do you believe
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Speaker 1: the prosecution is waiting through as we go to air
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Speaker 1: tonight to prove this case. I mean, I found this
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Speaker 1: online for Pete's sake, and if I can find and that,
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Speaker 1: certainly they can find it.
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Speaker 9: Circumstantial evidence cases, I think are some of your best
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Speaker 9: cases because you don't have to worry about a witness
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Speaker 9: recanting on you, and you don't have to worry about
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Speaker 9: things like that that are going to screw up the trial.
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Speaker 9: When you build a circumstantial case with strand upon strand
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Speaker 9: on that big strong cable that gets stronger with every
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Speaker 9: piece of circumstantial evidence, it's very compelling for the jury.
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Speaker 9: They find it interesting at first, then they seem to think, oh,
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Speaker 9: this is looking really good. Then all of a sudden
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Speaker 9: it's compelling and they come up with a good verdict.
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Speaker 9: And that's really what you have here. Just like you've
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Speaker 9: talked about many times in the past, the delay and
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Speaker 9: all the prosecution putting the case on and getting ready
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Speaker 9: to make the arrest. It all has to do with
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Speaker 9: what took place after they knew that Celeste was dead,
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Speaker 9: they knew who the suspect was, and you continue to
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Speaker 9: let the suspect continue to put the rope around his neck,
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Speaker 9: put the nails in his coffin.
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Speaker 1: You know another issue. You know, John Bueler, you have
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Speaker 1: put together so many complex cases. I want the whole
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Speaker 1: path to look very carefully at this video again. Let's
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Speaker 1: roll it on mute please, because at a certain point
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Speaker 1: where they are discussing, hey, you kill Celeste and then
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Speaker 1: reportedly it's neo. He's being called neo by Burke says yeah,
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Speaker 1: me and David keep watching the woman in the mirror
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Speaker 1: right there, because you see her freeze up and furrow
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Speaker 1: her eyebrows, Like what watch keep watching as the others are.
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Speaker 1: She's listening. She's listening right there. Nobody's talking, She's listening
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Speaker 1: and in a moment, wait for it, she's got right there.
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Speaker 1: It's like, what did they just say? What are they saying? Okay,
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Speaker 1: straight out to veteran trial lawyer, renowned defense attorney Josh Coles, Rude,
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Speaker 1: former felony prosecutor, founder of Colesrude Law Offices, Colesrude. I
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Speaker 1: know you would argue to injury that means not thing.
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Speaker 1: She was looking for her body glitter, But I disagree
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Speaker 1: because she is lighthearted and all of a sudden it
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Speaker 1: hits her what's going on in the next room. They're
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Speaker 1: saying she's got in the bathroom, and she furs her
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Speaker 1: browt and it all hits her what they're talking about.
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Speaker 10: Well, we need to be very careful about random clips
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Speaker 10: that the Internet produces. You know, when you are able
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Speaker 10: to find something like this only after searching Instagram for hours,
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Speaker 10: you really have to think to yourself, could this be
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Speaker 10: artificial intelligence? You know, when you listen to the audio
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Speaker 10: in the background, a lot of it doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 10: And you never hear David ever say that he killed anybody.
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Speaker 10: And we also know that Neo is not a co
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Speaker 10: defendant in the case. So I'm not really sure how
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Speaker 10: much evidentiary value, even if this is true, it actually has.
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Speaker 10: So again, you know, when you look at the Internet,
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Speaker 10: I know that the you know, there's a certain narrative
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Speaker 10: that people want to believe, and when you're looking back retroactively,
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Speaker 10: every single comment is scrutinized and put into a picture
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Speaker 10: of evil, and that's human nature. But we have to
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Speaker 10: give David right now the benefit of the doubt. He
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Speaker 10: has the presumption of innocence. He's pled not guilty, and
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Speaker 10: without authenticating this video, we have no idea what actually happened.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Cultur, That's why you win so many cases.
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Speaker 1: Your argument is always, well, that didn't happen, and even
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Speaker 1: if it did happen, you don't have proof. And then
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Speaker 1: I show you a video and you go, well, you
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Speaker 1: know that video may be fake, it may be AI.
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Speaker 1: You know, you always have a backup argument. Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: not one of your juries that just fell off the
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Speaker 1: turnip chuck, but that was a great try. Another thing,
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, Doctor Bethany Cultured has a good point
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Speaker 1: that we are not to paint this or at least
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Speaker 1: a jury is not to paint these facts within a
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Speaker 1: farious brush. But they're not making it difficult. I expect
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor will be able to prove that is defour
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Speaker 1: VD David Anthony Burk's bathroom. Those are his friends, and
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Speaker 1: that is him in the background speaking to as he
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Speaker 1: calls him Neo and the woman who we think we
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Speaker 1: can identify. All we need is neo Neo Langston who
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Speaker 1: calls himself the Asian who was defourvd's bestie. That's all
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Speaker 1: we need to verify. The clip that Coles Rude wants
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Speaker 1: us to believe is Ai. They're not making it hard, Bethany.
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Speaker 1: I think it's called arrogance.
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Speaker 8: It's called arrogance, Nancy. And this is only one clip.
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Speaker 8: If we have this, how many other clips are out there?
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Speaker 8: And these kids lived their life on camera on Instagram.
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Speaker 8: Their sense of self was dependent on their audience, So
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Speaker 8: everything is being filmed in this house, Nancy. This is
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Speaker 8: again just one clip. What I see again in this
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Speaker 8: Instagram clip is glorifying in the death of what was
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Speaker 8: once an eleven year old fourteen years old at this point.
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Speaker 8: So how many times on other clips are they degrading her,
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Speaker 8: devaluing her, hating her, dancing on her grave, trying to
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Speaker 8: tell everybody else in that house how horrible she was,
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Speaker 8: brainwashing everybody into believing that is normal for a fourteen
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Speaker 8: year old to go missing. And how many other people
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Speaker 8: in that house are listening yet dissociated from the reality
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Speaker 8: that a young girl has been killed and is gone,
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Speaker 8: and who else is filming and videotaping. There's a lot
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Speaker 8: to sort through, Nancy. This is not just dependent on
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Speaker 8: this one AI potentially generated clip.
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Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Bethany, if you could see my desk right now,
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Speaker 1: it is completely covered with videos and sound that I
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Speaker 1: have found online. And if I can do it, you know,
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor is doing it right now. And I believe
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Speaker 1: that's why there has been a delay in court as
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Speaker 1: of a couple of hours ago. But you just stated
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Speaker 1: they're dancing on Celeste's grave. At the point of that video,
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Speaker 1: For all we can tell, Celeste was still in the
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Speaker 1: four VID's trunk the front of his tesla, decomposing, and
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Speaker 1: they're talking about her so casually. But I want you
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Speaker 1: to see the video of his concert immediately after she dies. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's roll the video. Please watch this. Dfour youd really
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Speaker 1: throwing a funeral at his shows. They're bringing in. It
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Speaker 1: looks to be a white or a light silver coffin,
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Speaker 1: a female coffin, typically a young girl, young child, young ting.
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Speaker 1: They have people right in the condolence book their wishes.
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Speaker 1: Look at this. That's the motif of the concert talk
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Speaker 1: about dancing on her grave. Speaking of grave to Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. He is the
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He's the
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Speaker 1: star of a hit podcast, Bodybags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 1: But for our purposes, he is a veteran death investigator.
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Speaker 1: That's how I actually met him through him working with
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Speaker 1: the Fulton County Medical Examiner's Office, who has over ten
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Speaker 1: thousand death scenes under his belt. Joe Scott, while they're
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Speaker 1: laughing and talking about Hey, you killed her, uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: me and David and pulling out a female coffin, a
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Speaker 1: typically female coffin at the concert, describe her real grave
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Speaker 1: and what was happening in the front of that tesla.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for asking me this because I had I had
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Speaker 2: this moment just a second ago. I was thinking about
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Speaker 2: this as I'm watching all of this kind of play out.
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Speaker 2: You know how you guys in closing arguments with attorneys,
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Speaker 2: you'll present these diagrams. You know what I wish they
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Speaker 2: would do, Nancy, is that if they could time stamp
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Speaker 2: some of these things. All of these activities are that
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Speaker 2: he is engaging in point by point by point and
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Speaker 2: then have a have a parallel timeline to show what's
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Speaker 2: happening to her body since the date that she went
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Speaker 2: missing until the day they found her. Nancy, her body
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Speaker 2: at a cellular level, has already begun to consume itself. Okay,
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Speaker 2: this is called autolisis. And let me go down the
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Speaker 2: path a little bit, Nancy. One of the terms, one
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Speaker 2: of the terms that they used in the descriptor in
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Speaker 2: the autopsy report is liquified. Let that sink in just
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Speaker 2: for a second. Okay, liquefied remain. So what that means
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Speaker 2: is that she has been down so long, Her remains
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Speaker 2: have been languishing for so long in the front of
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Speaker 2: this tesla, sitting there while they're in there so jubulant,
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Speaker 2: and they're going on about their lives, and they're planning
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Speaker 2: concerts and they're putting freaking stars on their faces and
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Speaker 2: all of this other nonsense. She's in a state of
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Speaker 2: decay right outside the door there. Let that sink in
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Speaker 2: just for a moment. What a powerful image this is
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Speaker 2: to think about. With a parallel time line. They're going
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Speaker 2: on with their lives. Her life is ended, and now
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Speaker 2: she's degraded out there, and she's not being honored, she's
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Speaker 2: being diminished. And Lord only knows again what doctor Bethany
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Speaker 2: said earlier, what's being said about her now that she's
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Speaker 2: not there.
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Speaker 1: That video we're showing you of her grave, her real coffin,
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Speaker 1: which is D four VD David Anthony Burks Tesla is
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Speaker 1: from our friends at Fox eleven. There you see the
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Speaker 1: front opened right there, the crime scene tape around it,
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Speaker 1: and the dicotomy, the dichotomy of them laughing and putting
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Speaker 1: on body glitter talking about you killed her. Yeah, me
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Speaker 1: and David. It's just like a blip on their screen.
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Speaker 1: This child who would be about the age of my
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Speaker 1: girl was nothing to them. They're just so casual with
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Speaker 1: that as our backdrop. Tonight, we learn according to one
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Speaker 1: of Celeste Rivas who met David, she was aged fourteen.
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Speaker 1: It's when he began pursuing her. She was still wearing
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Speaker 1: Hello Kitty outfits the best. He comes forward and says
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Speaker 1: Celeste was pregnant. Dave Matt joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: What do we know, Nancy?
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Speaker 11: You remember just the other day the autopsy or death
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Speaker 11: certificate was updated on Celeste Reevas with regard to being pregnant,
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Speaker 11: where at first it was not pregnant, they changed to
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Speaker 11: not known. Well, now we find out her best friend
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Speaker 11: sits down with Celeste Reeves in January, twelve weeks before
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Speaker 11: she is murdered, and at her parents' home. Celeste Reevas
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Speaker 11: is talking to her friend about running away because she's pregnant,
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Speaker 11: and the friend is says, she's trying not to be judgy.
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Speaker 11: She's talking to her, and the friend says, well, what
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Speaker 11: do you mean run away? See, the friend thought that
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Speaker 11: when Less said she was pregnant and she was going
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Speaker 11: to run away from home to be with David, she's
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Speaker 11: The friend thought it was just some you know, kid
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Speaker 11: from school, somebody in the neighborhood. She didn't know that
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Speaker 11: Celeste Reeves was saying she was pregnant with David Anthony
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Speaker 11: Burke's child. That's not what the friend knew. It was
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Speaker 11: only after the fact, after Celeste that she realized what
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Speaker 11: Celeste Reeves was telling her at that night in January
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Speaker 11: of twenty twenty five, twelve weeks before she was murdered.
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Speaker 1: You know, speaking following up on what Dave Matt just said,
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Speaker 1: I want to show you a screenshot we also found
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Speaker 1: purportedly from Celeste to Burke D. Things are getting heavy.
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Speaker 1: I'm really scared about everything. They're starting to ask questions.
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Speaker 1: Call me when you see this. I need you, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. How does this text purportedly from Celeste fit
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Speaker 1: into the theory that she was pregnant or had been pregnant.
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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, what I see is a little girl who
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Speaker 8: imagines she has a true relationship with a much older man,
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Speaker 8: who imagines that they have a future together, and potentially
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Speaker 8: is thinking about keeping the baby to solidify her relationship
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Speaker 8: with him and their love together. And so I imagine
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Speaker 8: what is going on in her mind as a fourteen
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Speaker 8: year old as opposed to all these older kids. They're
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Speaker 8: all kids after the fact, laughing about her death, dancing
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Speaker 8: on her grave, bringing out a casket at a funeral
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Speaker 8: that day or the very next day after she is killed,
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Speaker 8: and the disjuncture between what she thinks is going on
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Speaker 8: and what they know is going on, that she is
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Speaker 8: going to be gotten rid of. She needs him, he
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Speaker 8: needs to have her gone. Women who are pregnant are
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Speaker 8: at a much higher risk of homicide. Nancy. You and
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Speaker 8: I know that, and in some sick, twisted way. This
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Speaker 8: is a twenty year old man who's not going to
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Speaker 8: let anything stand between him and his career. In his
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Speaker 8: own mind. Of course, now he has killed his whole career,
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Speaker 8: but he doesn't want to let anything stand between him
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Speaker 8: and his career. Nor do all the other hangers on
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Speaker 8: in that household who are laughing about this. They are
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Speaker 8: just going to carry on with their circus of filth
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Speaker 8: and celespie damned.
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to a clearer
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Speaker 1: video now. Of course colsrid is going to tell you
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Speaker 1: this is all Ai, but I'll let the viewer judge
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Speaker 1: for themselves. Immediate trainer. That's controversial.
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Speaker 7: It's controversial of raping kids.
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Speaker 10: Has been a good one by it.
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Speaker 7: Oh my, delete everything, the lead delet everything, everything goes, everything.
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Speaker 1: Goes, bueler. Do you hear that she brings up on
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Speaker 1: a live stream relations illegal illicit relations with a child,
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Speaker 1: and then they go ah, and then he goes delete
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Speaker 1: all that, delete all that.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, It just it kind of shows like you had said,
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Speaker 9: you know before, there's an arrogance that's with this guy.
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Speaker 9: Because he's making tons of money, he's becoming famous. He
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Speaker 9: believes he's untouchable, and of course he brings Celeste into
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Speaker 9: the fold. He probably had feelings for her at one time,
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Speaker 9: but over a period of time, I suspect he probably
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Speaker 9: saw her more's recreation than a relationship. And just like
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Speaker 9: doctor Marshall and you will back up, the leading manner
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Speaker 9: of death for women who are pregnant is homicide. And
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Speaker 9: if there, if it is true that she was pregnant,
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Speaker 9: this is another piece of circumstantial evidence that would lead
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Speaker 9: to motive to get rid of her.
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Speaker 1: Josh Colsruye joining US veteran criminal defense attorney, former felony prosecutor, Josh,
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Speaker 1: motive is not required. The state doesn't have to crawl
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Speaker 1: into the mind of a killer and show why. But
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Speaker 1: don't you think practically speaking, a jury wants to know why.
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Speaker 10: Yes, especially in a case where it seems like it's
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Speaker 10: being largely built on circumstantial evidence. When you don't have
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Speaker 10: a confession or an eyewitness, prosecutors need to weave in
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Speaker 10: a story about why the evidence that they have makes sense.
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Speaker 10: So here you have a very successful musician and he
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Speaker 10: inexplicably again is a cue of killing his underage girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: Did you just say inexplicably, like you can't explain why
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Speaker 1: he's charged. That's what inexplicably means. You said, he's not.
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Speaker 10: What is his motive? Like? Why would somebody do that?
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Speaker 10: And that's why, because it's not apparent on the face,
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Speaker 10: on the face of it, why somebody would do that?
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Speaker 10: And that's why you need to have a motive to
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Speaker 10: explain to a jury. You know, why someone would do
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Speaker 10: this under these circumstances when he has everything he wants,
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Speaker 10: He has fame, he has the girl that he wants. Uh,
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Speaker 10: he has everything, So why would he throw that all away?
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Speaker 10: And risking throwing everything all away by murdering his underage girlfriend.
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Speaker 10: So that's why motive is important, and especially in a
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Speaker 10: case like this.
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Speaker 1: You know, Josh, it took me about five years and
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Speaker 1: I was sitting in a felony courtroom. I remember when
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Speaker 1: it happened. I was trying a homicide case and I
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Speaker 1: looked over at the defendant and I thought, why why
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Speaker 1: did he do this? Was so senseless? And then it
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Speaker 1: hit me after five years, like a cement block in
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Speaker 1: the head. Why ask why getting there improved the case?
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Speaker 1: Because I'll never know why someone commits murder, But speaking
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Speaker 1: of motive Dave Matt Crimestore's investigative reporter, Dave May, I
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Speaker 1: think we've identified the motive.
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Speaker 11: Celeste comes forward to her best friend and says, I
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Speaker 11: think I'm pregnant and I'm going to run away from
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Speaker 11: my family and go to be with David. And again,
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Speaker 11: the friend didn't even think about David Burke. She was
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Speaker 11: just thinking it was a classmate of theirs, you know,
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Speaker 11: which is just boggling the mind because remember here we're
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Speaker 11: not dealing with a woman, where you're dealing with a
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Speaker 11: child who's fourteen years old. But then Nancy, as we
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Speaker 11: get closer to the time, the argument, the text messages
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Speaker 11: that we've seen between and Burke, we know that she
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Speaker 11: had had her fill. She seemed to be the more
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Speaker 11: mature in the relationship, and she was coming forward to say, hey, man,
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Speaker 11: you're not getting away with this. I'm going to tell
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Speaker 11: everybody who you really are and whether.
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Speaker 1: Or not she was pregnant at the time. Dave mac
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Speaker 1: the fact is that sources indicate she was threatening to
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Speaker 1: go public with their relationship. You mentioned she was fourteen.
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Speaker 1: She was eleven when he began pursuing her, eleven years old,
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Speaker 1: and we know they took, or we believe they took
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Speaker 1: trips overseas. If she had been pregnant, did she have
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Speaker 1: an abortion there? Why did he keep taking her out
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Speaker 1: of town? There are so many questions. Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: death investigator. The reality is due to the state of
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Speaker 1: her decomposition after her body had been disarticulated. Could you
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Speaker 1: tell if she had had an abortion?
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Speaker 2: No, I think that that would be very difficult. But
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Speaker 2: let's also keep in mind, Nancy, that there's been mentioned
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Speaker 2: of morning after pills as well, so I don't know
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Speaker 2: if this was a reoccurrent theme with them. And this
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Speaker 2: is kind of a ghastly road to go down when
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Speaker 2: you begin to think about what she had been subjected
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Speaker 2: to through repeatedly being raped, because you know, a child
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Speaker 2: cannot consent to having sex, so rape after rape after rape,
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Speaker 2: all right, And when you think about that had she
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Speaker 2: been had she had multiple pregnancy perhaps at some point
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Speaker 2: in time, because there's redundancy here. You know, if you
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Speaker 2: think about the fact that you've already got you've already
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Speaker 2: got access to morning after tablets, and if this is
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Speaker 2: something that she's been forced to take, for instance, and
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Speaker 2: it paints a very grim picture, and yeah, they could
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Speaker 2: have gone abroad, they could have gone anywhere else and
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Speaker 2: to have facilitated determination of the pregnancy. But there's nothing
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Speaker 2: there that you can really tell. Remember, the corner had
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Speaker 2: to go back and amend the autopsy report. And still
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Speaker 2: we're sitting there thinking, well, there's not a lot here
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Speaker 2: relative to pregnancy. Even when you look at the examination
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Speaker 2: of her reproductive organs, it looks like, you know, standard dictation,
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Speaker 2: standard dictation. They don't see anything there from a pathology standpoint.
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Speaker 2: Even her uterus is within the normal sizes. All right,
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Speaker 2: it's not swollen, which is something that you're looking for
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Speaker 2: with the pregnancy.
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Speaker 1: Of course, you're right, and the court documents, the state
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Speaker 1: alleges there's information about abortion and the Plan B morning
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Speaker 1: after contraceptive pill. It's so much to take in what
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Speaker 1: this child had been through. Again, he began romancing her,
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Speaker 1: if you can put it that way, at age eleven.
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Speaker 1: When she's eleven, she's dead age fourteen. But there were
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Speaker 1: so many adults standing by watching this happen doing nothing.
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Speaker 1: Look at this photo of Celeste at one of D
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Speaker 1: four VD David Anthony Burke's concerts. She's sitting on the
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Speaker 1: front row with his family, Burke's parents, his sister, and
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Speaker 1: she is right beside his brother. They all know who
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Speaker 1: she is, and how can they not know her age.
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Speaker 1: Here's a bigger problem for you, Josh Coles rude. If
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Speaker 1: these abortions, these alleged abortions, occurred in a different jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: we know that, and correct me if I'm wrong. Dave
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Speaker 1: mac that D four VD. David Anthony Burke took her
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Speaker 1: to London, he took her to Vegas, he took her
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Speaker 1: to Texas, all crossing state lines. Here's the problem for you,
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Speaker 1: the defense attorney. Her passport is found discarded in Santa
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Speaker 1: Barbara near a lake. We also think, Dave Matt were
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Speaker 1: the chainsaws there. There were other evidence of homicide also
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Speaker 1: found at that lake. Why get rid of her passport?
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Speaker 1: Why did the defendant not want anyone to find Celeste's passport?
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Speaker 10: Well, from the defense perspective, you know, it seems like
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Speaker 10: we're assuming a lot of things here. Now. Just because
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Speaker 10: a passport is found in a different county, that doesn't
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Speaker 10: make it a federal case. You know, in a federal
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Speaker 10: case you have to have multiple jurisdictions in other states
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Speaker 10: or countries. Now, Let's say that the evidence shows that
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Speaker 10: there was an illicit sexual material, uh text message, right
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Speaker 10: that goes through a satellite and an automatic actually becomes
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Speaker 10: a federal case now here, though, you know, we're assuming
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Speaker 10: a lot of things. We're actually we're assuming that the
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Speaker 10: victim did have abortions. We're assuming that, you know, that
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Speaker 10: David is the killer, and that he discarded the passport.
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Speaker 10: And you know, it is odd that the passport was
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Speaker 10: found in another county at a lake. But you know,
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Speaker 10: right now, there's no connection to David doing that, you know,
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Speaker 10: unless they have cell phone data that places him at
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Speaker 10: that location near at the time that all of her
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Speaker 10: things went missing. You know, I think that this is
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Speaker 10: just a giant red hair.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's in the documents, Josh Calser, let's get it
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Speaker 1: from Dave Matt. Doesn't the States AFFI David? The States
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Speaker 1: brief indicate that late night trip by David Anthony Burke
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Speaker 1: to Santa Barbara where the passport was discovered by the lake.
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Speaker 11: Yes, yeah, yes, that's where they tracked him. And it's
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Speaker 11: in the original paperwork that the investigators have filed on
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Speaker 11: this that David Anthony Burke drove out to there you go.
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Speaker 11: You're looking at where he drove, and he dropped off
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Speaker 11: this evidence. But the big thing is that passport.
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Speaker 2: Nancy.
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Speaker 11: We wondered, how is this really going to play in?
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Speaker 11: How important is this passport? Very important because it proves
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Speaker 11: that David Anthony Burke was taking Celeste to Las Vegas
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Speaker 11: to London Houston, I mean to meet his family. According
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Speaker 11: to investigators, that meant a lot. And by the way,
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Speaker 11: that passport found by a Caltrans worker in January of
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Speaker 11: this year.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, the artist the four VD aka
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Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke in a court of law. At this
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Speaker 1: hour the state is building its case. If you know
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Speaker 1: or think you know anything about Celeste Reevos' death, please
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Speaker 1: dial two one three four eight six six eight nine
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Speaker 1: zero two one three four eight six six eight nine zero.
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Speaker 1: Tonight we remember American hero Sergeant Joshua Klaus Cameron, p D. Texas,
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Speaker 1: shot in the line of duty after nineteen years on
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Speaker 1: the force, leaving behind a wife turned widow, Stephanie, and
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Speaker 1: two sons, Jonathan and Jordan. American hero Sergeant Joshua Klaus,
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Speaker 1: Thank you to our guest, but especially to you for
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Speaker 1: being with us tonight. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight,
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Speaker 1: but I'll see you tomorrow night, and until then, good
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Speaker 1: night friend,