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Elevating Everyday Skincare: Dr. Patel on Visha’s Versatile Products · Skin Anarchy

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  SPEAKER_00: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Skin Anarchy.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is Zecca.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm really excited about today's episode because we're gonna be interviewing a wonderful dermatologist that has this great skincare line that I've really fallen in love with because all the products are genuinely something that you need in your collection and that you can really benefit from, whether that's body care, whether it's facial skincare, uh maintenance skincare.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're really tried and true products.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we need options like that for truly genuine good skin health.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like we need tried and true options.
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  SPEAKER_00: So without me ranting too much, I would love to introduce you guys to Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pervishra Patel, who is the founder of Vicious Skin Care and also a board-certified dermatologist and most and cosmetic surgeon.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Patel.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited to host you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's so kind of you.
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  SPEAKER_01: That makes me so happy that you like the products.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I I genuinely love them, you know, and I not only for the the products that are meant for our facial skin, which I know everyone obsesses over, but your body products are amazing too.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like you've just really knocked it out of the park.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I can't wait to dive into that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I really want to learn about you and your background because I I find it so interesting to learn how dermatologists decided to become dermatologists.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you could walk us down memory lane and tell us a little bit about yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I was born in London, raised in Wales, and my parents came in Trupatel fashion into the motel industry in Kentucky and then uh grew up in Virginia and went to uh University of Virginia undergrad med school, University of Tennessee dermatology residency, University of Louisville for cosmetics and most micrographic surgery.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, the decision to become a doctor was my parents' idea, but the decision to be a dermatologist was my idea, and um something that I really wanted to do because the skin's the largest organ of the body, and we get to see all ages, we get to see children all the way up to end of life and uh and infants, and we also we're like little Sherlock Holmes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think for me in particular, I just have a good photographic memory.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, through all the studying and everything, dermatology came naturally because it's more of a visual diagnosis and visual learning.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I chose it because it was the path of least resistance, and because of that, on a daily basis, whether I'm doing skin cancer most micrographic surgery or I'm doing cosmetic surgery or facelifts or whether I'm doing my skincare or just treating acne and rashes, it comes easy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so because it comes easy, you love what you do, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: You just you're not working at all.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's you're doing what you love, and so you never really work a day in your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like a lot of uh, you know, I'm Indian as well, and I feel like a lot of Indian uh doctors, we go into it because our families are like super, you know, like pushing us, like go into something like stable, and then you end up falling in love with the field.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I love that you have that, you know, that story.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's really cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you know, I want to learn when you decided to to start your own line, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's a really great question.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I was a solo practice, I run my own practice called Advanced Dermatology and Skin Cancer Associates.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the original office is in Memphis, then we have now we have offices in Olive Branch and in Arlington, Tennessee, and we're going to open in Oxford, uh, Mississippi as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think initially being in the South as a brown female dermatologist, I got a lot of patients coming of skin of color, people who wanted to see a brown dermatologist.
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  SPEAKER_02: And one of the biggest uh, even across cultures, all skin types, I would say, is dispigmentation or hyperpigmentation.
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  SPEAKER_02: When the melanocytes in the skin get bigger and you can see them with your eyes, for example, in lighter skin tones, it might be freckles and sunspots or subreckeratoses and lenego, things that happen from the sun as you get older.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in darker skin tones, it's post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation or um spots that we get after like a little footprint from an acne scar or something that broke the skin.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was kind of a uniform theme.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I knew back then, let's say this has been like 16 years, um, that hydrocrinoline 2% was going to go off the market.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so we knew that that was going to be a dangerous thing for people and that, you know, the ability to get bleaching solutions and lightning creams over the counter was not going to happen anymore in the United States.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I said, well, let's look at the alternatives.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's go to the lab.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I actually called a chemist who's now the head of my whole Visa labs.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I said, Listen, these are ingredients that I know lighten hyperpigmentation.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like these are all melanocyte inhibitors, you know, like, and I need you to look and see like how we can put this in some sort of formulation that's not going to be too caustic or irritating for someone.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that is actually going to make the same results as the hydrocrinone 4%.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's what prescription product we use in the office as a dermatologist.
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  SPEAKER_02: We will start with 4% hydroquinone and we'll go all the way up in concentration, depending on what we're trying to treat.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I said, I need it to work like hydrochrinome 4%, but I need to be safe to be over the counter so people can use it to address these things.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's an absolute genius.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he came up with aluminotics.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, it's actually just a patented blend, and it's got known tyrosinase inhibitors, it's got known inhibitors of the chemical that makes the skin darker or makes melanocytes get bigger.
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  SPEAKER_02: Using ingredients like azoleic acid, licorice, uh, cogic acid, malic acid, we're able to create a patented blend.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we said we patented it and blended it.
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  SPEAKER_02: We blended it first and then patented it because it proved in clinical studies to work the same as a 4% hydrocranone.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then we were so happy we put it in our hero products, which are the serums.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's so cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that you did that because honestly, I've had this conversation before.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it was pretty early on, you know, in the podcast where I used to be like kind of concerned about some of these conventional, like actual medications.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I I don't know, I feel like all of medicine is like this, where there are just certain drugs that are just, I feel like, outdated, you know, and I feel like they need to be like re-evaluated in some ways.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that's really interesting to me that you really did put in the work to find something specifically for hyperpigmentation because I always worried when I would go to my dermatologist and they would try to give me hydrochronous and I'd be like, I don't want it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I was scared.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was getting that too, but I also, you know, this is it goes back that I guess maybe to the Indian dysphoria or maybe just British colonialism.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was always told that you can't go outside in the sun because you'll get dark, or your dark, your pimples will get darker, or you know, you're not gonna be pretty because you're dark.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I blame that on British British colonialism, and I understand the whole psychology behind it, but that that was my mom, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like that was my mom, and that's her baggage trauma that she gave to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, the the concept of bleaching your skin out, like this is a skin bleach, used a skin bleach.
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  SPEAKER_02: Here we are.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're growing up in a world where we're like trying to love ourselves and love the skin we're in.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I love that now I've seen it, I've seen it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I grew up in a world where brown kids, I wanted to be lighter, I dyed my hair blonde, had green eyes.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, come on, I wanted to be not me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, I grew up having to love myself and love my skin color, and obviously I'm teaching my daughter that, but not calling it skin bleach and not having it so strong and not have so that was kind of important.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, let's get something out there and like make it a skin brightener, but it is going to lighten the dark spots, it's just not gonna bleach your whole face.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I love that you brought this up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, I think anyone who's like of Indian descent or anyone who's of color that's grown up in a culture outside of the US in a British colony, yes, exact, exactly, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And see, it becomes this real topic where people are genuinely harming themselves, trying to like get this lighter skin tone.
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  SPEAKER_00: And thank god, like that, you know, we didn't do that here, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there are so many people that we hear about.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, even through like our family circles, you'll hear these like stories, and it's scary in other countries.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're doing IV solutions, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like Indonesia happened.
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  SPEAKER_02: So part of my market research, you know, just fun fact.
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  SPEAKER_02: But Indonesia has like more skin bleaching clinics than anywhere else in the world through IV therapy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then they don't realize that though that glows glutathione IVs, and we do them here in the United States too, but we're like marking them under health and wellness.
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  SPEAKER_02: But those IVs are causing endocrine disruption.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's I mean, I'm not surprised.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not surprised.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's the that's the scariest part about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We if you can cause endocrine disruption, I mean, that really goes to show you because our endocrine system is so resilient.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like, you know, I had a conversation recently about like just you know, like colorism and like this whole idea of like inclusivity, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like a lot of times products have been marketed in a way where it's indirectly promoting this idea of you need lighter skin.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just not true.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it's like we need to get away from that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I really like the fact that you're coming from this medical place and you're saying, listen, we can still have beneficial outcomes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Clear skin.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why don't we have clear, healthy skin?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's really brilliant.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I want to actually ask you a little bit about that, you know, just to kind of educate anyone out there who does have like like, you know, really bad hyperpigmentation or they're worried about it, where should we start?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I know your products are amazing, but like just a general understanding of like what they should know.
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  SPEAKER_02: So these molasses or pigment-producing cells are not evenly distributed in our skin at birth.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so a lot of times, even genetically, some people as they get older with um ultraviolet radiation and you have look when it comes to dispigmentation, we have to think of the blue light or high energy visible light coming off our screens as well, because that contributes to hyperpigmentation.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we're not, you know, skin cancer, yes, the sun, hyperpigmentation, we're talking about sun and blue light.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some people are on their computers all day long.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're well, how come I have all this discoloration?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's because it's coming from your computer and your screens from your job, you know, not necessarily from sitting next to a window or being outside in the sun.
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  SPEAKER_02: But melanocytes, they uh protect your skin.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's their job.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so when they get any kind of ultraviolet radiation or blue light radiation, they these cells actually create little tentacles and um go to the top of the skin and kind of fan out.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they make melanin, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: They're making pigment because they're trying to protect the skin from the ultraviolet radiation.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so what we're seeing with the naked eye is dispigmentation.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're seeing discoloration, we're seeing um sunspots, or we're seeing darkness wherever we had a pimple or our line wherever we had a scar, because melanocytes are acting up in that area.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they are activated by ultraviolet radiation from the sun, blue light, of course, and heat and inflammation.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: And we don't talk about inflammation yet.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_02: We eat complete garbage that creates inflammation in our bodies, right?
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_02: So gut health has to do with skin.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I said it.
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  SPEAKER_02: These are all things that contribute to these melanocytes getting excited.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when they do that, that's when we see them with the naked eye.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so, people, the first thing you can do to protect yourself, of course, is use a mineral SPF greater than 30.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it has to be tinted.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you're gonna go for the light coming out of the blue light coming out of the screens, then you want to use a tinted mineral sunscreen because the tint has iron oxides in it, and that's gonna get that blue light component.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, I didn't know that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know about the tinted thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you are you like completely like do you not believe in like the chemical sunscreens?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what is your take on that?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm a skin cancer surgeon, so I believe in like any sunscreen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I'm a ride or die uh mineral block.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: Makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've heard a lot of people like kind of argue for both sides, but that's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I like mineral as well, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I I use mineral, and I think a lot of people out there are they've kind of shifted lately.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been hearing that a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: People are switching from their chemical base to like more mineral, and I don't know what the reason for it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know there's a lot of information out there.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's hypersensitivity, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some of the chemicals, the oxybenzone and and those, they can um create irritation.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like some people can have sensitivity like around their eyes, you know, it can burn.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so it can create inflammation.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's one thing also like chemical sunscreen stings your eyes when you sweat, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you're outside sweating and you're protecting yourself from the sun, it can get kind of irritating.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then, you know, reapplication.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: There's lots of reasons.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think honestly, and I tell this to my patients all the time the sunscreen that's gonna be best for you is gonna be the one you're actually gonna wear every day.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to get your opinion on this because I feel like social media has kind of gone haywire, you know, with all of the information.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know there's a lot of really great people out there trying to educate, tell us about what we should do and should not for our skin health.
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  SPEAKER_00: But like, what do you think the influence of TikTok and Instagram?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's a lot of people claiming to be doctors these days, and you're just out here telling people all this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so there's a lot of people influenced by that.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: What's your opinion about all that in terms of how people are getting their knowledge and then utilizing that knowledge for their skin health?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: It there's just so much out there.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think, um, and even you have to be aware, and I'm a board certified dermatologist, you have to be aware that we get paid by companies and skincare lines to create posts and promote the products.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's very, very sneaky how we are told to do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we post I don't because I have my own brand, so nobody wants me, but you know, like the a lot of my great friends, you know, it's like a wonderful revenue stream, and they truly do believe in their product, the products that they're promoting.
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  SPEAKER_02: They put a post and on you don't see like paid advertisement, you see hashtag partner.
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  SPEAKER_02: That should be a red flag.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: Because I mean, not to be rude, and I don't want to like hate on certain brands, but like Cereb and Cedaville has no great ingredients, they're just not irritating.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's the bonus, is like we relied on them over COVID because people couldn't get to see a dermatologist and we didn't want them to use products that were gonna harm their skin.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so there was this huge uptick in these brands that are really I call them like basic bitch brands.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like they're they're great, they're great for washing your face and using a moisturizer, but they're not gonna change your skin.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know what's crazy?
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: I love that you said that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And by the way, I'm stealing that, the basic bitch brands.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm stealing that phrase.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's my new favorite phrase because I had this like kind of I don't know, I was like traveling a lot and I didn't have any of my skincare that I usually use, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I ended up going and buying a bunch of like drugstore stuff, and I felt like literally my skin went from like I would say like a seven out of ten to like a serious like three.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: There is a difference, and I feel like there's been this argument before where I've seen it, you know, on social media where people are like, well, you don't need to be like, you know, going crazy with where you buy your brand or what brands or where you buy your products or what brands you purchase.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's the all the same.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, no, it's really not.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: But also everybody's skin is different, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, there's gonna be somebody that uses a brand that doesn't work right for my skin, and it's gonna be great for them.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_02: And that goes back to like, you know, I'm gonna say, like, I the first thing I tell patients is you need six glasses of water, eight hours of sleep, multivitamin, probiotic, probably no sugar, no dairy, right?
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: And then I'll say if they're inflammatory condition, I'll say no gluten.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, let's let's talk about gut health first.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, let's calm down the inflammation.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have to understand, like, the skin's the largest immune organ of the body, the gut's the second largest immune organ of the body.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so what we eat is actually really important because food used to be medicine.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so everyone's different.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, even products that we use in our skin are not gonna be the same uniformly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Gut health is something that I feel like it's becoming another buzzword, and it's really it irks me when I see that because it's a really complex field, and we need to understand that it's crazy that we're we are still doing this, you know.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I I just hope someday that consumers are gonna wake up and be like, what am I actually doing?
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: And how does the body actually work?
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, but you know, going to that, like the gut health thing, I love that you mentioned that because you had earlier mentioned inflammation, and I'd love for you to speak a little bit more about this.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so processed foods, like for example, sugar and dairy, right?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's broken down very easily by the bacteria in our gut and they overgrowth.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: And when you get an overgrowth of some bacteria, say you're not eating enough um fiber, right?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Then the bacteria in the lining of your gut starts eating through the mucous membrane, like eating through your own gut, right?
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: And then it comes into contact with all these little packets of immune cells.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: We have all this lymphatic, we have all these little um, we have like in this little uh cilia in our gut, like there's the your immune system's right there, right?
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's the barrier between the body and the inside, and like the skin is the barrier between the outside and the body.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so you that revs up the white blood cells and creates an inflammatory cascade.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that in turn creates inflammation in the blood, which makes acne and rashes worse.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: I never I never see people talking about that.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it's always like, well, I'm inflamed, and like they're talking about something that looks like rosacea, honestly.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not even like a normal skin condition, but that's where that's why I wanted to ask you because you know, inflammation has this really broad, I feel like there's a lot of stuff going on, you know, out there in terms of knowledge around inflammation, but they're not talking about it like this.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: Because the skin is the largest immune organ, so it's exposed eczema.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: Let's just talk about eczema.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Eczema is an inflammatory condition.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: If you're taking hot showers and you're not moisturing after you come moisturizing after you come out of the shower less like everyone in the winter, the skin cracks like cracks in a pavement because there's something called transepidermal water loss, which means the water that's on the skin evaporates, and then the skin cracks and like cracks in a pavement, the nerves get exposed to air, just like a paper cut.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: When the little these tiny little cracks and tiny little nerves get exposed to air, what's gonna happen?
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna itch.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: So we scratch, and we scratch this huge traumatic fingernail event, right, on the skin, and that creates inflammation.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right?
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah wound, wound healing.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: It creates like redness, histamine release from the mast cells.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's creating, you know, pain, which could be perceived as itch depending on what nerves are firing.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: And so that is eczema.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: And so the way to prevent that is to seal the cracks.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: You can use a steroid cream, but you can seal the cracks.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: But say you already have cracked skin and you already have an inflammatory process, increasing the inflammation by increasing like your inflammatory like foods and things that you eat, you can easily increase that inflammatory response unnecessarily.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm not saying like, oh, you know, eating clean makes will make you not have any rashes, but what it will do is calm what you have down.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: And most people who have eczema do like they figured it out.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, oh yeah, when I eat this, um, my eczema get worse or gets worse, or when I'm stressed out, this is what happens.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, people who live with eczema, eczema is a genetic condition where it's an effect in the ski skin's ability to retain moisture.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: The water evaporates too fast and doesn't stay on.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: So um, that's called as atopic dermatitis.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, I think people who have it and they have it for their whole lives, if they figure it out, it's like throughout their lives, they'll figure out what works for them, right?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, also right now, I feel like there's an uptick of like a lot of autoimmune conditions kind of popping up, especially in the West.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I know I've seen there's been a huge change.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: For example, a lot more women are being diagnosed with like Hashimoto's, whereas like 20 years ago it wasn't even common.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: But like I feel like every woman has something going on these days, and and you know, there's many contributing factors to that.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: But like in terms of skin health, what is your opinion on that with all of these new emerging conditions?
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I just think that has to do with inflammation, right?
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like these autoimmune conditions are inflammatory, so then you will have an increased level of inflammation in the skin, which means if you did have acne, it might be a little worse, or if you did have um eczema, it could be a little worse.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it it it it you have to treat.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, you know, yes, yes, I'm a dermatologist.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: I have so many creams to give you, including like Vicia Skincare Face Defeat was made for eczema, right?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: But yes, I have barrier repair, we'll repair the barrier.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, talking about I want to talk about Vicio a little bit now because I I love the brand.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: I really love it.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think the offerings you've created and the formulas are really brilliant.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Your advanced purifying cleanser, I've been obsessed with this one.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I don't need that exfoliator anymore because I was kind of like that consumer that hated having to carry around two or three different kinds of cleansers because it just felt so ridiculous to me.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm personally a huge fan of that.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: I have to take it with me when I travel because if I use anything else, I feel like I break out.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: When I was developing these products, I would see acne patients and be like, well, I can give you these washes and you use one in the morning and one at night.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: Or I can, you know, what what can I do to just come up with like a wash that's going to address everything that they need that they can travel and they won't have an issue.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: And essentially when it was a hit because we were able to treat people fish, it's almost like a legacy, right?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: When you make something and you're able to treat people that are not your patients, it makes you feel good.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: We were able to make something that's helping people and clear acne and separate dermatitis and shave bumps, like for men who were shaving and they get a lot of ingrown hairs.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: People in the military, they get there's a big issue with people shaving and getting a lot of shave bumps.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so the advanced purifying cleanser was addressing a lot more than just being a cleanser.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: I really like this cleanser because I I mean it really shows everything you just described.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: It shows because I found that my skin is more balanced.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I feel like at day to day there's different needs, you know, in terms of the cleansing aspect for my skin personally, and even though I consider it pretty normal.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think this is such a great option, you know, regardless of what's going on with you and whether you have acne, whether you don't.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a really nice cleanser for everybody.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I just rarely, I rarely see that in the industry.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: And the other one I want to actually ask you about this one, I think we had kind of discussed this earlier was the advanced correcting serum.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: I really enjoyed this serum.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is really brilliant.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: This, this was this is me um looking at, you know, there's some popular dermatology office products that we have that had ingredients in them like C e furlic, you know, or you know, and I was like, well, how I loved it.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, well, how do I make this better?
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how can I put a retinol in this and put a skin like skin brightening agent in this and have the C frulic.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: So you know we were able to put retinol, vitamin C, vitamin E, fruit acid, hyaluronic acid, and um the aluminodics.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: And we were able to create niacinamides in there.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: So retinol, vitamin C, vitamin E, frulic acid, niacinamide, hyaluronic acid and aluminotics, which is the patented blend.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: And this product is just one product twice a day.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: So it does five things.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: So instead of having to put your serum on and then your retinol on and then your night cream, you're able to just wash your face, put the serum on and then put your night cream on.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I found to be so amazing about it is it's not like an like because I know a lot of people claim that, right?
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: They're like three in one or whatever.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, okay, well really is it though?
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know and and I always run into those products that don't work for me.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: This one really kind of blew me out of the water though.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: I have to credit my chemist, the Visa skincare chemist for this um I only knew what ingredients I needed.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: They are the ones that were able to do you know how hard it is to mix vitamin um C in anything?
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah that the oxidizing they they were able to do the C and the retinol together which I was just blown away that they were able to make that stable and it is it's finicky you know uh but you know they were able to do that.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: And the fact that it was a serum so it just sinks in your skin and gives you like the results it's it's it's a results based product like you use this then you can use your moisturizer after and when we did our clinical studies we were just blown away.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: So I have to agree with you um it's one of my absolute favorite products and it's for men and women too because men, men don't like using a lot of things, right?
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like if they can just one thing in the morning and one thing at night and it addresses everything including their discoloration and hyperpigmentation they're like all for it.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like as a woman like I can tell you it gets really old having to do like the 15 step routine like where you're just kind of confused where you're like what do I need now?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: Do I need retinol tonight?
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Do I not you know do I add the vitamin C I mean it gets so confusing especially right now we talked about you know this like age of TikTok right where everyone's like well here are my you know five things five serums and I'm like not like literally three of those are not even touching your skin by the time you put them in.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: So let's talk about the fact that it doesn't matter like I can give you flour eggs chocolate and oil and it doesn't mean you're gonna get a chocolate cake.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yes exactly right like you these individual ingredients that people are using and there's certain brands that only sell individual like very cheap individual ingredients we're not chemists.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like we're not we're not if you put certain things on in a certain order you can actually undo them.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah you undo the benefit or if you mix certain things together they can actually become stronger and more caustic to the skin.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: And so you know these some combinations are never meant to be together.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: So I find that really dangerous when people do buy single ingredient serums or for example they'll put their hyaluronic acid on and then put their actives on after and then you're like well none none of it worked something has to be said about putting these power ingredients into one formulation.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah no I I love that you you know you kind of talked about that because I think that that's one of the biggest I mean I look at this industry and I'm just like literally that's the biggest money grab I've ever seen in my life is the people that are selling them individually because honest to God you're never going to use them to their full right it's never gonna empty the bottle's never gonna be empty so you wasted your money and the ingredients never worked on your skin.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: So like you'll never see results ever.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then people come out and they say well my skincare doesn't even work so I'm gonna go use beef tallow and I'm like what's wrong with you know like it's that's why I really really love this I love the serum I think you know anyone out there you guys can benefit from this especially like I've been using it and it's just been so nice.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like my skin feels wonderful and I don't feel like I'm missing anything.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: And to those beef tallow people it do you smell I don't get it I will never get it man the beef tallow like just why I want to talk about there's a very um interesting and wonderful uh you know group of products you have which are I guess mommy centered you could say you know and I love that that's so cool to see we don't have enough of those products I think can you talk a little bit about that you know in terms of skincare and how there are certain things that are more relevant to mothers yes I mean and this you know personally on a personal note I actually came up with a mommy line when I was pregnant.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh wow because I didn't want to give up my anti-aging products you know I'm like well you know I had my kids a little later on and I was like well I don't want to I don't want to stop using my active ingredients you know screw that and so um we basically I basically took the retinol out of the advanced correcting serum and increased the azaleic acid to make that mommy brightener and essentially it became an even stronger hyperpigmentation product for melasma.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: So melasma is something that we would call the mask of pregnancy.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: And so these melanocytes that we just talked about that get bigger with sunlight are can be hormonally influenced to become more sensitive to sunlight.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: So melasma means that people get dark patches in a mask like distribution, usually on the face when they're pregnant or even some birth control pills can do it for some females.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: And it's quite stigmatic in the sense that nobody really wants to have like something that looks like a mustache and they don't have a mustache.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a dark patch.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so um that's when they generally do turn to bleaching agents and so it was nice to have um the serum that was the hydrocrinone alternative and also over the counter something that somebody could just go and get um we are in all JCPennies and we are obviously on Amazon and on our website and we're looking at more distributors but you know it was nice to have some just go to be able to go get something that you can use on your face twice a day to help with the melasma.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: Another thing that and obviously pimples and acne and with hormones raging depending on where you are in the pregnancy there's a lot people can have a lot of breakouts.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: The mommy cleanser um was made to be not as irritating but definitely not as strong sorry as the advanced purifying cleanser but definitely going to get the job done as far as treating um and clearing the skin during pregnancy and then we have the mommy bright eye booster which we took the caffeine out.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: So the reason why the advanced bright eye booster works so well it's 17% reduction in fine lines and wrinkles and puffiness around the eyes in less than six minutes.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: And that was done with photography studies it it's because it has caffeine in it.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: But of course when you're pregnant you don't want to most people don't want to use products with caffeine in them when they're pregnant, even though it's probably not going to be absorbed in their body.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: But the mommy eye booster took the caffeine out and added the umbilical extract another extract in there to help with the puffiness and lens around the eyes and that's just something that you probably want to maintain as you go through your skincare journey.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like once you're on a routine and you get pregnant it's easy to just flip to the mommy line then and you have your serum and your products to use.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: And then of course the bump to baby was kind of a a a favorite because we're able and I got the idea of this formulation actually from an allergist that came to my clinic one day when I was practicing and he had come with a drug company and he said to me I have a cream that prevents eczema and I just looked at him and I'm like what?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: And he goes yes I have an allergy clinic in you know in New York and he's like this cream I use it on my moms with allergies that have babies that are expecting the babies to have eczema he says we use it on the babies and it'll get eczema and I'm like all right we're going to dinner.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I sat down and talked to him about the ingredients and realized he had um an anti-inflammatory barrier repair.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: And he literally just gave me the formula he was like I said what if we came up with a cream that the moms could use this on their bellies to prevent stretch marks yeah and then when the babies are born we can use the same product on the babies to prevent eczema and he's like have at it here's the formula like I don't he didn't want to have anything to do with it.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: And so I I ran with it.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: It I don't take credit for the formula but I I do add the part where um we put some more anti-inflammatory ingredients in there to help with stretch marks.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: So stretch marks happen when the skin is stretched too fast and the collagen can't keep up it's like cracks once again cracks in the collagen underneath the skin and they can that can actually get really red and itchy right and so when people scratch that that causes inflammation going back to inflammation and um can be really uncomfortable but also can create scarring and long-term effects.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: So this bump to baby is used on the belly as the belly's growing and then the same product is used on the baby.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: Wow that's really really fascinating that there's this anti-inflammatory you know component that can actually genuinely help prevent I mean the formation of eggs I didn't I didn't even know that we could do that.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and it was such a hit that um we were we you know because my you said I have three I have three offices so basically our beta testing is like all my patients right yeah and so we had all these old men come in and they were all buying this bump to baby and finally some farmer says to me like ma'am can you they don't say doctor they say ma'am can you uh make this so it doesn't say a baby on it say ma'am and I thought yeah sure I that sounds like a really great idea let's put the same stuff in a in a container that says face to feet and that was that wow that's so that's I mean that's really brilliant though I don't think there's anything else like that right that I've seen I haven't seen any product that can do that.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay so in terms of like the anti-inflammatory I want to kind of rewind a little bit because you said that if you put it on the baby when they're born it's not they're not gonna it's barrier repair we just talked about atopic dermatitis and how that's caused by the inability of the skin to retain moisture and the water's evaporating and the way to prevent that is to seal the cracks.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: So you're sealing the cracks before the rash can happen.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: He was right he was right like you haven't I haven't seen much preventative care in like OTC products you know when it comes to dermatology I just don't see that like in the industry but that's really really fascinating it's going to the science of it the root cause yeah yeah absolutely that's really cool I think that's something all everybody can benefit from then right I mean because I know I'm getting like drier skin as I'm aging I'm in my late 30s now and I'm literally like my skin used to be oily and it's like all of a sudden feels like a desert you know so I think about this stuff all the time where I'm like my skin is drier so what does that mean for me in terms of the inflammation and I feel like that could really help as well in that absolutely and estrogen has something to do with it too right so yeah like the rejuvenating moisturizer was made for face-neck declottage and vaginal skin.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: So no one talks about how the skin on our bodies change even when we have our periods some women are so sensitive they even know when they're going to have their period because of the way their skin changes or their you know they they feel in their body we were looking at well what what's happening we're well we're losing barrier repair we were losing skin barrier because the estrogen levels are declining and um we need to repair that and get the moisture back in there and then have something to boost it.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: So we used um phytoestrogens actually with the rejuvenating moisturizer because you didn't want to use hormones.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and then we did studies to show that it didn't increase in we did different BMIs to show that the there was no increase in blood level of any of any hormones or anything like that.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: But the rejuvenating moisturizer um addresses that estrogen decline and nobody talks about labia.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah ever like nobody cares or people are embarrassed to talk about it.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like everything starts to hang everything starts to sag you know everything starts to fall and so we need to we need to look at that that's just it's just our body we're no we're talking about feeling and looking great and longevity we're we're talking about you know feeling something good about ourselves like why are we just putting stuff on our faces exactly and also like when it comes to this whole conversation with like anti-aging this anti-aging that it's like at some point needs to stop being anti-aging and you need to start thinking about true like like solutions you know solution oriented care and that needs to be at the forefront but unfortunately we're so wrapped up in like my our forehead wrinkles you know and that we're not thinking about like yeah you know what I mean it's like it's not even talked about like you said and and now we have like I think a lot of like times I notice this where we have sexual wellness brands and I'm like you guys are focusing on everything except what is like actually relevant when you start aging because it's it's just not a topic of of conversation you know that you have dryness and it's a real thing women go through and you know all that yada yada.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: Well we had to put we put rejuvenating moisturizer the way we spelled rejuvenating was the capital V because it was meant to be very subtle.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: And um when we were doing our beta testing it seemed like the women preferred that because you know they don't want something that says like coochie cream on their cabinet you know they want something that they can have on their bathroom cabinet and no one's gonna raise I don't know maybe it's just the South but they you know that was seemed to we we asked patients like what would you use like what kind of packaging would you use like we had we got feedback you know we were asking women like you use the product and the reason I knew it was successful it was really funny because I sent out little tiny little jars of cream out I think like 10 ladies came in one day and I said oh I'm gonna send and within like a day these same ladies were sitting in their cars when I walked into the office the next day and my manager's like what did you give them?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: They want more I was like sure so I gave another few jars and then finally someone says something and she's like how many times we have to get these small jars you're just gonna give me a big jar of this stuff and I'm like we're trying to see if it works and we have to get your blood levels and you know we just want to this is we're testing it for formulation and she's like this is it I want this stuff.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: I want this stuff in a jar and I'm like okay I love that your brand is so founded in actual patience and like what actually goes on with our skin.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: I cannot commend you enough for that I feel like you know with Vishha like you've really accomplished that where it's like you have a brand that you're gonna stick to and you're gonna want to use over and over again.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I really encourage anyone listening like if you guys are sick of switching products and trying to figure out what the right balance is between your 15 different serums you have like you need to just drop all of that and actually get behind a brand that's gonna work.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean this is really great stuff that you've done here you know Dr.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: Patel I love it I love it so much.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: I would love for you to kind of um give us some words of wisdom for anyone that's listening and wants to go into medicine, Dr.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Patel, about like you know any anything you can offer in terms of guidance or advice.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: Love mentoring students and thank you so much for your kind words about the brand wanting to do medicine is wanting to give to humanity and anybody when we grow up you know they say oh medical school's hard there's so many people that'll try to discourage you along nothing I mean every nothing is difficult.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's as difficult as you make it right you can if you need mentors get the mentors you need the help taking the test get the help taking the tests.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: What you should want is to help mankind you know you want to help other people live and be strong and get better.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's the basis of all the doctors that I know is that we've woken up one day saying this is how we're going to love humanity.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to love the world we're gonna give love by healing.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: If that's what you want to do then get you can you can contact me I can plug you in with universities around where you are but people who want to go into medicine you'll know when you want to go into medicine because you want to heal and that's your way of giving giving back to the universe you know and I think that's there's lots of ways to heal you don't always have to practice medicine.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean you can heal people with words you can heal people with music you can heal people lots of different ways but medicine also is food right you could you could be a cook you could be a chef you could be a nutritionist you could be a dietitian you can be a fitness instructor this is all medicine medicine is things are things that you do for the well-being of your body so glad you said that because I feel like people do put things into this like big box you know of like I have to go this route or I'm never gonna we are not just pill pushers you know we're we're not for anyone listening that does want to go into medicine please really take those words to heart and and do it for the right reason you know I completely back you up with what you said but yeah you guys check out Vishilla's skincare it's amazing I promise you're gonna fall in love with it I definitely did and it's it's something that actually works like I said before but Dr.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: Tal thank you so much it's been so no thanks for having me it's been an honor.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah no the honor is mine truly and I can't wait to have you back if you ever have time.
• 38:59
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