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Star Wars: The Ninth Jedi · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Care for what you google. Welcome to the ned polity. Hi,
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  Speaker 1: this is Nick Ostasiu, lead editor and writer on Mall
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  Speaker 1: shadow Lord. And you're listening to Aggressive Negotiations. Well, hello,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to Aggressive Negotiations. We're just so excited to
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  Speaker 1: galaxy that's slightly familiar, but maybe through just a different vision.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just one of your hosts, Matthew rushing and with
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  Speaker 1: me as he is every single episode is none other
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  Speaker 1: than John Mills, John Jedi Master, John Mills. How are
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  Speaker 1: you doing tonight? In fact, your eyes look a lot
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  Speaker 1: bigger than normal.
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  Speaker 2: You know. And the thing is, I'm just having a
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  Speaker 2: hard time with my lightsaber because they just can't decide
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  Speaker 2: what color it wants to be. Matt It's kind of
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  Speaker 2: driving me crazy right here. You know. It's my lightsaber
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  Speaker 2: mood ring. That's really what it is. Is. I've gone
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  Speaker 2: head and just embrace that, and that is.
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  Speaker 1: What there are those who call me Tim.
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  Speaker 1: can find a sundry places. But John wanted to ask
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  Speaker 1: you coming into this. We have both seen I know,
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  Speaker 1: at least season one of Star Wars Visions, and I
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  Speaker 1: think we've both seen season two as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and so.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you kind of just you know,
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  Speaker 1: we've seen both of those. We've talked about some of
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  Speaker 1: the episodes and the things that stuck out to us,
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  Speaker 1: the things liked and whatnot. When you heard that they
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  Speaker 1: were going to be doing a long form version of
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  Speaker 1: the Ninth Jedi and it be an eight part series,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, were you excited at all that this? Did
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  Speaker 1: this give you any you know, sense of of you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: oh man, I can't wait to see that, or was
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  Speaker 1: it just one of those things, Oh, I guess I'll
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  Speaker 1: get to it when I get to it.
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  Speaker 2: No, I was excited because I first became an anime
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  Speaker 2: fan when I was a very young lad. When I
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  Speaker 2: was growing up, UHF channels would show you know, transor
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  Speaker 2: z Voltron those sorts of things. But around the time
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  Speaker 2: I was ten I first encountered Robotech, which was Harmony
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  Speaker 2: Gold's appropriation of the Macross saga, and then they took
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  Speaker 2: a different show and they turned that into Robotech Masters,
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  Speaker 2: and then they had they had I think it was
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  Speaker 2: called Generator. It was the The third one was I
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  Speaker 2: think it was called Generations or something, but that was
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  Speaker 2: the Envid Invasion series, and it completely changed my life
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  Speaker 2: because I became an anime fan from that point forward.
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  Speaker 2: Not hardcore by any stretch, but a fan. You know
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  Speaker 2: that there's a there's you can be a casual fan,
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  Speaker 2: you can be a fan, and you can be like
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  Speaker 2: a fanatic. I'm not a fanatic, and I've wavered between
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  Speaker 2: casual and fan, you know, through the years and everything.
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  Speaker 2: So it wasn't that they were adapting the Ninth Jedi.
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  Speaker 2: It was that they were going to embrace doing a
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  Speaker 2: whole story where it was like not just a one
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  Speaker 2: episode thing or a brief arc. It was going to
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  Speaker 2: be We're doing a whole series. That excited me because
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  Speaker 2: it brought back memories of my youth. And I said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm on board. I think you had a slightly different
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  Speaker 2: reaction though than I did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I thought that it was an interesting idea,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, watching through you know, the two series again,
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  Speaker 1: there were ones that kind of really jumped out to
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  Speaker 1: me that I really enjoyed. You know, there were some
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  Speaker 1: where I was just kind of left cold, and there
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  Speaker 1: were others I was you know, I would say, slightly
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  Speaker 1: indifferent to uh. And so it wasn't like I there
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  Speaker 1: was no excitement for this, or you know, there was
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  Speaker 1: I didn't care at all. It was just more like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's interesting. I can't say like I'm pumped,
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  Speaker 1: but I will definitely watch it because I will be
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  Speaker 1: interested to see what they're able to do. And I
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  Speaker 1: think one of the things that is most interesting about
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  Speaker 1: this obviously is that you know, Lucas is very inspired
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  Speaker 1: by a lot of things from Japanese culture and tradition.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, Kirasawa also having a huge influence on the
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  Speaker 1: the look and the feel of Star Wars, even some
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  Speaker 1: of the feudalism of Star Wars and the and the
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  Speaker 1: Samurai culture obviously have a huge impact on what the
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  Speaker 1: Jedi look like and even what they wear, and so
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  Speaker 1: to see then a Japanese interpretation of Star Wars through
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  Speaker 1: their lens with a you know, a medium to which
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  Speaker 1: they are not only very familiar with, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: is one of their primary storytelling methods, you know, for
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  Speaker 1: their pop culture. That was interesting to me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and so and I think that's one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that I'll say just kind of carries me through watching
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  Speaker 1: all eight episodes, is just being interested in how this
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  Speaker 1: culture kind of interprets and then repurposes Star Wars and
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  Speaker 1: its own language and feel and all of that. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the other thing after watching the two
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  Speaker 1: seasons of this, you know, it's very clear this is
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  Speaker 1: this is not Star Wars as we know it, right,
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  Speaker 1: This is somebody's interpretation of Star Wars. This is somebody's
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  Speaker 1: vision of Star Wars through a different lens, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And and it's I like to think of it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they call it Visions, but it's almost like it could
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  Speaker 1: have been called Star Wars variations on a theme.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. What's interesting to me about it is that, well,
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  Speaker 2: first question, did you like race back and watch the
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  Speaker 2: ninth Jedi episode from Star Wars Visions?
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  Speaker 1: I did not, okay, and I really wish I had.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's very different from the series that we got,
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  Speaker 2: and it's fascinating, like the character designs are consistent, but
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  Speaker 2: then the execution of the story like that the first
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  Speaker 2: one was very much self contained sort of thing, but
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  Speaker 2: it had elements that were in a sense, there were
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  Speaker 2: elements where I saw where they ran with it and
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  Speaker 2: where they developed it. But there was there was this
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  Speaker 2: decision here with this series that you know, I like
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  Speaker 2: you say variations because this is a weird mind experiment
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  Speaker 2: in the sense that this is Star Wars as if
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  Speaker 2: an anime studio thought of it first. I understand what
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  Speaker 2: you're saying. Yet I don't see this being like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is an anime spin on Star Wars so much
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  Speaker 2: as this is recreating history and saying, hey, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to make anime that happens to look like Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: Like I know, I'm probably not explaining it very well,
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  Speaker 2: but like they use the terms Sith and Jedi, Kyber Crystal,
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  Speaker 2: all of these sorts of things, and it's just one
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  Speaker 2: of those things where it's like, but it it's just
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  Speaker 2: not the same, like it's a multiverse Star Wars. I
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  Speaker 2: guess you could.
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  Speaker 1: Say, yeah, yeah, you know, we were talking about this
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes with a good friend of ours, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that I mentioned about
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  Speaker 1: this is that in many ways it almost feels like
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  Speaker 1: this is Star Wars that's more based off of George
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  Speaker 1: lucas original script, where he hadn't quite nailed down every aspect,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and there's a lot of things that you know,
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  Speaker 1: were more important in those scripts that became way less
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  Speaker 1: important or not important at all, or it got completely
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  Speaker 1: changed or shifted, you know. I mean, I think even
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  Speaker 1: the idea of the Kyber crystals being so important in
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  Speaker 1: the way that they are kind of here, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think then like you made the wonderful joke of
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  Speaker 1: the lightsaber mood rings, you know, that kind of thing
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  Speaker 1: really reflecting those feelings within like all of that just
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  Speaker 1: and even two it the nature of the Jedi you
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  Speaker 1: know here is different and is not quite the same
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  Speaker 1: as what we know it from, So all of that
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  Speaker 1: kind of felt like somebody had taken that and did
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  Speaker 1: a variation off of that instead of you know, all
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  Speaker 1: the Star Wars as we know it. And then it
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  Speaker 1: almost felt like to me too, I mean, because there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of ideas in here that feel akin to
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  Speaker 1: but not completely true to the sequel trilogy, and so
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  Speaker 1: it's like those two things almost had a baby, and
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  Speaker 1: then somebody was like, I'm gonna take that and then
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  Speaker 1: do my own version of that, And yeah, it's a
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  Speaker 1: very It's not like this is an awful way to
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  Speaker 1: phrase it, but it's like a Frankenstein version of that,
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  Speaker 1: where they've taken bits and pieces of all this stuff
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  Speaker 1: and put it together. And that's not I don't mean
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  Speaker 1: that derogatorily whatsoever. I don't want anybody to hear me,
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  Speaker 1: you know that. I'm not even giving away how I
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  Speaker 1: feel about that series. That's just kind of all the
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  Speaker 1: pieces that kind of came together to make what we
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  Speaker 1: got here.
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  Speaker 2: It's a stew baby, you got a.
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  Speaker 1: Stupid yeah kind of stew going here. You go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, ah, man, I think that. Yeah, I think I
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  Speaker 2: gotta say one thing, which is the one consistency that
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  Speaker 2: still you know me, was I was like, oh, we
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  Speaker 2: got another Death Star style weapon. Like I'm just I'm dying,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I'll tell you what. For any of the
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  Speaker 2: detractors out there that didn't love Solo as much as
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  Speaker 2: we did, or didn't love the Mandalorian and crok It
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  Speaker 2: as much as we did, there wasn't a single freaking
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  Speaker 2: dust star thing anywhere within a hundred parsex of.
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  Speaker 1: Those marriage true, and that very true.
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  Speaker 2: It's an extra star in my book, no matter what
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  Speaker 2: you hear me. Yeah, I'm tired of that. I never
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  Speaker 2: thought i'd say this if I went back in time
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  Speaker 2: and I said to my you know three, my six
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  Speaker 2: year old, my eight year old' selve and I said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's going to come a time or you
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  Speaker 2: can roll your eyes whenever you see death Star on
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  Speaker 2: the screen. I'd be like, get get the f out
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  Speaker 2: of here, what are you talking about. I'd be like, oh, no,
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  Speaker 2: young man, don't worry. There's gonna come a time where
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  Speaker 2: you're tired of the death Star concept. It's coming. It's coming.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be there. You give a couple of decades,
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  Speaker 2: you'll get there. And I hate to say that, because
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  Speaker 2: what this did was that Star Killer Base death Star concept.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, well, if they'd actually had this,
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  Speaker 2: I've been like, I've been more okay with the sequel,
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  Speaker 2: like to your point about like they mashed together a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of stuff at.
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  Speaker 1: Least made sense, right like this with the.
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  Speaker 2: Kayper Crystal, Okay, let's not do that thing. Sure, but
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  Speaker 2: I think that the the one punch I'm really glad
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  Speaker 2: that they pulled, because, like you said, it's like the
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  Speaker 2: early concept of Jedi and Sith and stuff like that
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  Speaker 2: Lucas hadn't quite ironed out in the earliest drafts. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that the one punch I'm glad they pulled
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  Speaker 2: was at the end, after our protagonists and antagonists both
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  Speaker 2: have the silver blaze, which means they're the whatever it symbolized.
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  Speaker 2: At the very least, they pulled the punch and it
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh no, very clearly, if you have good
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  Speaker 2: intention and your you know, your noble of heart, all
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  Speaker 2: that stuff, that's a good thing. That's what the Jedi are.
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  Speaker 2: There's no there's no ambivalence about that. And then if
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  Speaker 2: you have hate in your heart, there is no like
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  Speaker 2: there's a repudiation of a concept that I eted in
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  Speaker 2: certain Star Wars works about this idea of oh, you
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  Speaker 2: have to embrace both the light and the dark, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, yeah, no, you don't, No, you don't.
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  Speaker 2: At the very least, they pulled that punch at the
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  Speaker 2: end where you relieved, like I was, when it got
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  Speaker 2: to that moment, you're like, okay, good at least we
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  Speaker 2: stayed within.
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  Speaker 1: Those lines absolutely, And I think one of the most
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  Speaker 1: interesting parts of that is the idea of in our
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  Speaker 1: main villain. And this was such an interesting idea, I thought,
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  Speaker 1: and I liked the way they played with it the
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  Speaker 1: whole time until you get to the very very end, right,
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  Speaker 1: But now whole goal is to be able to do so,
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  Speaker 1: to do everything emotionlessly, to purge oneself basically of all emotion,
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  Speaker 1: like a sith Vulcan, you know, and that makes everything okay, right,
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  Speaker 1: at least in his mind, and therefore he can use
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  Speaker 1: cruelty and power and crush anybody who gets in his
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  Speaker 1: way for the purpose of trying to create, you know,
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  Speaker 1: order in the galaxy. And I thought that that was
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  Speaker 1: an interesting idea of, you know that, instead of embracing
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  Speaker 1: controlled emotion like the Jedi, or embracing fullaw on emotion
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  Speaker 1: and utilizing it like the scyth, to say this idea
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  Speaker 1: of and play with the idea of, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to have zero emotion about anything, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And and in that sense, what's so fascinating is like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the difference between love and hate isn't really
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  Speaker 1: all that different, you know, it's two very strong emotions.
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  Speaker 1: But apathy is like maybe the worst form of hate,
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  Speaker 1: where it's like I couldn't care enough to be moved emotionally.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where you know, nahwom kind of is And
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  Speaker 1: like you said, by the end, we embrace the idea,
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  Speaker 1: know that there is a there's a dark and a light,
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  Speaker 1: that there is a selfless and a selfish and that
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  Speaker 1: is very much the end of where you know, Lucas's
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  Speaker 1: entire thought process for Star Wars is that one is
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  Speaker 1: better than the other.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this question. They very much set
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  Speaker 2: it in the future of the Star Wars, in this
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  Speaker 2: alternate Star Wars galaxy. Do you think it would have
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  Speaker 2: been better if they'd approach this from the past, where
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  Speaker 2: you would have had that sort of idea that we
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  Speaker 2: thought that Jeames, me and Gold was going to be pursuing,
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  Speaker 2: like this is how the Jedi found out what they
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  Speaker 2: really stood for sort of thing. Do you think that
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  Speaker 2: would have been a stronger story choice for them.
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  Speaker 1: I like that idea. I think that would have been
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  Speaker 1: really interesting as if you know, because then by doing that,
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  Speaker 1: you're not thinking about the questions of whether or not
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  Speaker 1: this fits you know, because it could easily fit if
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  Speaker 1: you set this, you know, ten thousand years in the
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  Speaker 1: past or whatever you need to. And I also think
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  Speaker 1: that that makes, you know, just all the ship designs
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  Speaker 1: feel really really interesting then too for this, and it
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  Speaker 1: makes it seem like that that fits within this universe
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  Speaker 1: even more so. And so yeah, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: that's the most interesting part of this. And the place
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  Speaker 1: I was most surprised about by it all was just
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  Speaker 1: how well it kept my attention and how interesting I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was, and how I was able to allow
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  Speaker 1: the story to do its thing without feeling like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it has to be quote unquote close to Canaan or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this truly is meant to be an exploration
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  Speaker 1: of somebody else's thought process about Star Wars, and what
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  Speaker 1: I found was that it was interesting enough to really
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  Speaker 1: keep my attention.
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  Speaker 2: Question for you, I do have two particular points of
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  Speaker 2: criticism about the show. I want you to choose which
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  Speaker 2: one I bring up first. The first one has to
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  Speaker 2: do with the animation from a technical level, and the
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  Speaker 2: other one has to do with a specific storytelling choice
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  Speaker 2: that they made that irked me.
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  Speaker 1: Ghost story telling. First, I'm really exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Storytelling choice that irked me. At the end of the
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  Speaker 2: fourth episode, there's a break in the story. Open to
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  Speaker 2: the fifth episode, they start with narration to say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: time has passed and blah blah blah blah blah. And
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was something of a cheat because they
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  Speaker 2: got to a certain point and I was really into it,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that moment when they made that choice,
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  Speaker 2: I had to expend a little bit of energy to
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  Speaker 2: warm back up to them because I didn't I didn't
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  Speaker 2: like the fact that they did some hand waving between
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  Speaker 2: episode four and episode five where it's like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: look at this horrible thing that happened. Question mark, question mark,
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  Speaker 2: question mark, and we're just not going to bother about
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  Speaker 2: telling you how we got here. Here they are now.
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  Speaker 2: So did that irk you the way it irked me?
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  Speaker 1: I I'm glad you brought that up, because yes, it
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  Speaker 1: was one of those things where it just didn't make sense.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, there's little bits and pieces in the
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  Speaker 1: episode that kind of give you that you know, Kara
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  Speaker 1: was able to escape, you know, on some sort of
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  Speaker 1: ship and land on this planet or whatever, and she's
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  Speaker 1: been there kind of recovering from what happened for a
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  Speaker 1: while with these indigenous characters that live there, kind of
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  Speaker 1: akin to I don't know, platypus e walks, and.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: So we'll have to come up with a name for them. Yeah.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just plea walk, you know, because I.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Like plea walk, all right walk?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: So and yeah, I mean you're absolutely right in the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: sense that the story I think could have easily done
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: almost like thirty seconds of quick cutting to give you
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the story of what happened, you know, like her escaping
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and landing on this planet and you know, meeting the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: first plea walk and then you know, you get the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: then the I don't know, ripple of the screen or
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: whatever for time having passed and you're like three months
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: later or whatever you want to do.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just seemed odd because it suddenly makes the
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: first four episodes seem like season one, and then like
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: like for some reason, I would have been okay if
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: there'd been six months between episode four and episode five,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: I'd been like okay, Like I would have had the
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: time pass in my brain and probably been more forgiving.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: And it's the weirdest thing because it's still magical handwaving.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: It's because it happened in such quick succession, is why
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: why it hurts me anyway?
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Great? No, it's a really I remember thinking like, why
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: is this episode starting like this?
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: And what? Oh?
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: That's what?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Where is she? How did you survive? What?
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad I'm not alone in that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: No, not at all.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, So, okay, the design thing or the animation thing,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: there were a couple of things I would I would
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: critique about it in specific, but one that always jumped
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: out at me was the decision to make the ships
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: like this nineteen ninety eight video game CG style took
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: me out of it. Man, I had trouble with it
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: because you have this beautiful hand drawn style for everything.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they're using computers now or whatever. That's not
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: the point. Yeah, But then you contrast it with the
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: ship style and it's like these look like elements from
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: two separate things that don't mesh. Yes, and that bothered
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: me too.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: No, I agree, And you know, I think that they
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: do that in a lot of anime these days, where
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: they create these type of vehicles and stuff with the
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: three D animation that kind of looks like it's a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: part of the two D but not truly. So it
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: just doesn't quite seem to fit. Yeah, they also kind
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: of do that sometimes in the you know, when they
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: did that in the DC Animated movies as well. But yeah,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you know, so they would do that, and so I
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: think it's a part of just this type of animation
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: style overall, and it is a little bit strange to me.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I completely agree. So what did you think? Okay, So
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: it was really interesting the way in which this kind
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: of plays with the idea of the Jedi, you know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and you have this character and Zeema Urgima, who you know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: feels the desire and the need to attack his master
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: who he is seen being corrupted, right, and that leads
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: a young Padawan na Wam to see that and think
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: that that is the way to accomplish things, and therefore
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: that's what leads him down that path, right of And
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Gimma is the first one who is able to you know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: have his lightsaber turn silver, which represents that idea of
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: like emotional detachment completely to the point of almost you know, emotionlessness.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And I just wondered, how do you vibe with that, Like,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: what did you think about that whole idea of to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: kind of approach the Jedi question? This way.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I thought it was intellectually interesting but dissatisfying from a
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: storytelling perspective. I think that they fell in love with
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the silver lightsaber concept, which is fine, which is nice
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: they did, but it was used in such a way
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: that its impact wasn't effectively felt. Does that make sense?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Where it just they went to that well and it
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: but then after a certain point it was no longer unique,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: and therefore it wasn't impactful and it wore off its
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: significance by the end of the series. That's where I
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: stand with it.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: What about you, Yeah, I think it was interesting, and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: like you said, I think philosophically it is a great
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: idea to explore. I also kind of am with you
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: in this sense of thinking that the execution isn't as
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: good as I want wanted it to be, you know.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And I think in some ways I would say that
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: it needed more focus on the actual story elements about
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the Jedi and their view of the force and those
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. They think it needed more depth there
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: for it to really come to life. Yeah, in a
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: way that had more resonance than in the story, so
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that that moment at the end of the series, where
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: that moment where you know, Kara and our care are Kara, Kara,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Car and Nawamar fighting right? That you really did feel
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: that more succinctly, Uh, that change and that shift you
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: know that Yes, she's right that No, your actions actually
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: are the only thing that matter here. It is not
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: whether or not you feel emotionless about them, that you
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: feel nothing about them, that has nothing to do with
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the you know this.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And so I.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Just wish there had been more on that, because I think,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: like you said, man, that is actually a fascinating discussion
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to have, and I think it would have been more
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: fun to dive a little bit more into that than
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: some of the other areas that we did.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, So question, because this thought has been running around
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: in my brain for a minute, would it have been
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: better to release this as a standalone streaming movie event
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: had about two maybe two and a half hours instead
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: of eight half hour episodes.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I think I actually liked it in the episodes, And
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: maybe that's because it just made it digestible, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: for me, I was able to watch, you know, a
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: few episodes at a time and instead of just kind
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: of having to pause right in the middle of the movie.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: And and I think that because where I'm coming down
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: to with your question is that I think that there
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: are some places where the editing between episodes, as we
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: already talked about, just needed to be better, and if
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: that had happened, I think it would have been even stronger.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And therefore I can see the desire to have this
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: kind of re edited into a tire film that where
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: you would hopefully have a much more consistent flow.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Overall, I'm satisfied with the series. I don't regret watching it.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: The ultimate question for me comes down to would I
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: watch it again? Like I can promise you and I'm
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: not doing the comparison I'm not falling down the comparison
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: game rabbit hole here. I know There's going to be
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: another point in my life where I'm going to rewatch Rebels.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I'm going to rewatch Clone Wars as sure as hell.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be rewatching mal shadow Lord before the
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: end of the year. Bad Batch. I mean, come on,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: that's like there's so much any great choices. There are
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: truly magnificent choices. But I am going to rewatch mall
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: shadow Lord during spooky season because it belongs there.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Do the tracks?
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Is this a rewatchable series for you is this which
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's bad. If the answer is no, I'm
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: saying like, is this a series where you're gonna come
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: back to it? Or is this a Hey, that was cool,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: good experience. Maybe in a few years I might wander
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: back because I might have forgotten a few points.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I could see there being a point where I come
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: back to this somewhere down the road, but I don't
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna be anytime soon. And like you, I'm
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: glad I watched this. I think it was interesting. I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it in that sense. I didn't regret watching it.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: You know, there were some parts of the these series
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: that I felt like I really connected with and were
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: really interesting, and then there are others where I didn't.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: But on a whole no, the answer there's no. This
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: isn't a rewatchable series in that sense. What about you?
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. A few years from now, maybe I'll
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: come back, But this isn't something that that electrified me.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: It's good, it's well made, it's interesting, but this is
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: not something where I'm so electrified by it. I'm like,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to rewatch this again. I can't wait
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: to jump back in. Like the only reason I haven't
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: started a bad batch rewatch recently is because I know
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: that once I, once you start down the batch path,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: forever will dominate your destiny, consume you. It will like
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not coming out of that for until all the
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: seasons are done. But yeah, this this is one where
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, that was cool, and I'm you know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I even I like some of the stuff that's going
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: on here, but I'm not I'm just not electric. And
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: so maybe in a few years I'll come back to it.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: But this isn't a light me on fire thing. But
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: the thing is what I love, what I've really thought
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: about at the end of it, was here we are.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: In a very short span of time, we got Mall
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: shadow Lord, the Mandalorian and Grogu and Star Wars visions,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: and your mileage may vary with these things, but none
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: of them were bad. Mall shadow Lord was transcendent. Mandalorian
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: and Grogu was really good and entertaining. And this was
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: good and entertaining. And I think that sometimes people really
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: need to roll back their whole thing about you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Star Wars is dead or stuff like that. No, Star
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Wars is very much alive, and they're doing some really
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: different things, and I'm glad that they're trying all of
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: these different things and just saying what about this, what
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: about this? What about this, and trying them and putting
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the time and the effort into them to give people
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to see different takes, to see different stuff,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: and then they can collect that data and say, well,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: this is what the audience wants or doesn't want. And
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I honestly think that the way that they're going about
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: it right now is super smart because they're giving us
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of choices, and I can I can look
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: at the things that they're releasing now based on just
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: these three things, and I can say, Okay, well, I
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: know what's creative crews I'm responding best to. But I
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: didn't dislike any of this. There wasn't anything I came
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: out of where I was like, this sucks. There are
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: other franchises where shows come out and I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: one episode, I'm good and I'm walking away. Like I
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: didn't walk away from Star Wars Visions Presents the Ninth Jedi.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't like watch one episode. Maybe like Matt, we're
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: not we can't now, we're not talking about this. I can't.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: I can't handle this. I really love man alert. You know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Like I know I'm be laboring the point at this point,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: but you get what I'm saying where it's like we
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: got an embarrassed in riches right here, Guys, like we
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: got we've got three good things in a row. You know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: remove the which you liked more or less sort of thing,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: but like there's three good things in a row. Let's
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: be grateful.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: It does leave me excited for what's next, you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: and like you said, you know, having three things that
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: on a on a spectrum of liking, you know, each
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: one of these hit a different part of that spectrum,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and that does make me excited then that you know,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the next year, we've got Starfighter coming out, and then
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: we've got Ahsoka coming out, and I can't wait to
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: see both of those and you know what they're like,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I think it'll be great, and so, you know, all
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: in all, it also leaves me excited to see, you know,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: what are they going to do next with Star Wars?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Where are they going to go next? You know, I
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: know D twenty three is happening right now. I don't
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: know if we'll actually get you know, any big announcements
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: on Star Wars. I don't know if they may be
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: waiting for celebration next year before they really truly make
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: any big announcements about what's coming, but I'd be interested
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: to see if we do get maybe a few teases,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: because we also know that Mall season two is coming
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: at some point as well. You know, we've already got
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: that is so I mean, yeah, I think, you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the death of Star Wars has been greatly exaggerated, and
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I think that you know something I think you know,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: possibly in the future we're going to talk about. So
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: we don't need to belabor the point here in this
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: episode because it's not what it's about. But you know,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: there's been such a divide that's happened in all of fandoms,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: which is like things either are the suck or they're
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the best, you know, and so much of that just
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: kind of kills fandom in general because that's never been
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: what fandom is, so all in all, John on the
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: vaunted Letterbox ratings scale of five stars, what we did
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you give? Star Wars Visions presents the ninth Jedi.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Well on the vaunted five star scale, which will never
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: ever be changed under any circumstances. It's not like that
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: old four star scale that I grew up with. Bah,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: what were we even doing there? You need?
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Can you even understand that scale? Can?
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: It doesn't even translate. I don't even know what's going on.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: And with half stars, my gosh, it's like a ten
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: point scale. Why not just give quarter stars too? Who knows?
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: But I play the half star game and I'm going
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: to play it here where I'm going, I'm going to
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: say that I'm giving this a three and a half. Overall,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: it's a three, So why would I give it that
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: extra half? I give it the extra half because it
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: is different, It's it's something, it's it's however you want.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: To say it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: It's somebody coming up and trying something different and doing
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: it well and admitting to their concept, and so I
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: got to give some extra credit on that. So I'm
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: coming in at a three and a half out of five.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Some people might think it's generous, some people might think
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: it's harsh, But that's how I'm threading the stone needle.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: That's three and a half for me. What about you.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Man coming in hot with three and a half as well?
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: You know I thought that all the same things that
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: you mentioned, And I think that the biggest part of
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: this was that it kept my attention the whole time.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: You know, there weren't any of the episodes where I'm thinking, oh,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: this is boring, this is dumb, you know, and I
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: think a big part of that was approaching this on
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: its own terms, right. It is not trying to be
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Lucasian Star Wars. It is a variation on a theme
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and kind of seeing where they it felt like they
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: had pulled some of their inspiration, which is you know,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: they did that comic book series, the Star Wars, which
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: is based off of Lucas's original shit, I love it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: JW. Wrinsler did that series and it's freaking amazing.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: This just feels like it fits within that type of universe,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: right and so and of course you know comics also
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: did you know their Elseworld version of Star Wars as well,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: where they just mixed up you know, elements and created
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: news stories. And yeah, I don't have a problem with
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: this type of experiment. And again allowing a culture that
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: so influenced Star Wars to be able to play with
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Star Wars itself like this, you know, I find it
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: interesting And again, sometimes your vibe. Your mileage may very
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: much vary on the different episodes, right, but this one
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: was just something that I was like, Man, this is cool.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I'm digging it. Is it perfect? No? Do I have
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: some complaints about it? Yes, I'm glad I watched it,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and I hope other Star Wars fans will watch it
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: as well. Absolutely so.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. At the very least, I'm hoping that it
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: has what I would call the Robotech effect like Robotech
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: had with me, where some fans will see this and
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: they'll be like, you know that anime stuff is pretty
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: interesting and they go exploring it. Now, there are some
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: dark corners over there, folks, so tread tread carefully, but
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: there's some really good stuff with it. Yeah yeah, wealth
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: just stick with anime. Stick with anime. You're all right,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: You're all right. But yeah yeah yeah. So hopefully this does,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: at the very least stir serve as a window to
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: uh a new art form for some Star Wars fans,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and maybe even spur them on to explore some of
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: the stuff that Lucas himself was talking about that inspired him.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Like you said, so that'd be that would be really good.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: But speaking of inspiring people, where you're online that inspires me.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I see you posting online and I go, you know what,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I want to act with that guy. So where can
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: people find you online?
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I do work to inspire. You can follow me
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: over on ex Twitter and all of social media. If
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I'm on the platform, my name is Matt Rushing zero two,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: So look for that name, and I'd love to interact
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: with you and talk with you, especially if you've got
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: some thoughts you have about the Ninth Jedi. I'm looking
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: forward to understanding who the Tenth Jedi is. Anyway, you
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: can also find me on the network here. I've got
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: a complete show called Outposts. Every single chapter the Harry
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Potter series was talked about. Hope you'll enjoy that. Plus
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: over on the TFM network, we got a bunch of
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: shows that I'm doing. One is The six pot two
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Club and just enjoy talking about all of the fandoms
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: we love. Plus a lot of great star trek talk
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: with my good friend Chris Jones. But John, you know,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: if people wanted to see what you've got going on,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: or maybe I don't know, I think there's a there's
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: a show that you dominate on where you're really educating
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: some others, you know, who are really just lax in
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: their film knowledge, and it's kind of embarrassing sometimes. Anyway,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: where could people find you?
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think I should start with that.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Here on the network, I co host a show, as
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: you rightly point out, called house Lights, where I generously
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: donate my time as sort of a pro bono thing,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: you know, like a lawyer who's helping out people who
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: can't afford any better. Where I educate Darren Moser and
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Tristan Radel about film, film history, film criticism, all those
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: sorts of things. Go on and check it out. They're
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: eager learners, and maybe someday they'll, you know, they'll rise
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: to my level. We'll see.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: And of course it takes a lot to become a
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: knight or a master.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: We both know you gotta work, you gotta put in
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: the effort, and they've been going at it for years,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: so you know, we'll figure it out. But you can
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: find me online. It's Castle Junkie on your social network
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: of choice. I prefer to be on good Reads and
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Letterbox because you can only talk about books and movies there.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: So Master Rushing, I do have to go and prepare
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: my social media accounts for the undoubted influx of people
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: who are now going to be mess me. So I
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: think it's time to close these negotiations.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: John, negotiations are closed. Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.