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Talks to Dr Simon Exton & Si Hart about their choice of The Web Planet (2/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Thank God, you're a professional in three, two, one, go.
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Oh, welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife at the
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Doctor Who commentary podcast. We have been drawn down from our
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astral plane down to vultus and we are ready to talk about
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episode 2 of the web Planet which is called the Czar.
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Be he he he Exactly. Sorry, so I think things are
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about to get a whole lot weirder, aren't they very much.
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So, yeah, although would it surprise, the pair of you to
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know that before we head into this episode, I have a question
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for you both. I'm stunned, fire away.
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What is your preference in the William?
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Harley era, the historical or the science fiction Tale?
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Or the sideways tail because they did those back with as
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well. Oh, I stomp sure.
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I think I have two answers. I think, because it changes as
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they go there as he goes through, I think, right at the
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beginning. If you ignore the tribe of gum,
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the historical Czar generally better.
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But by the time you get into the end, kind of more invest in the
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science fiction. Having said that, I don't think
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there's a a I don't think there's a bad William Hartnell
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historical. No, I agree.
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I wrote. And even even the tribe of gum,
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I think it has fantastic moments.
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Yeah, I agree with you on that. And it's a really, it was a
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really good way to Just reintroduce.
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The, the weirdness, after having hit them front and center with
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an unearthly child, I do think that there are poor science
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fiction. Yeah, stories.
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In in the William Hartnell era, Any example, not a, not a huge
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number. I would say the space museum,
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brilliant episode 1, all the rest could be condensed into it
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into a single part on Osama, dude.
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I think say about that. You know, he's not here so don't
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worry about it. Since rights again, some nice
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ideas but very slow, big chunks of Dalek master.
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Plan could be cut out. They really don't need to Go to
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ancient Egypt. What about you thigh?
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Well, I would say exactly the same thing I shall.
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I think the earliest oracle's are magnificent and really
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unbeatable but they were not the ones that I like sort of in book
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form. As a as a child, it was all the
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science fiction ones that really grabbed me and I was really
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interested in, and it historicals looked ball rigged.
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So he sort of growing up in the 80s and I think that was sort of
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the That you were given of doctor that the historicals were
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worthy. But, oh, no one watched them.
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No one really liked them. And they were all about the more
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noise and all the science fiction, Adventures, or
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whatever, but I've come to appreciate those a lot as an
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adult. I've really, really loved those
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so but yeah, there's something about Hartnell science fiction.
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I think, which is really interesting and they're trying,
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they're going for Big Ideas and big Concepts.
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So, rather than just always sort of alien race of the week,
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that's invading somewhere, which they settle on in Syria in
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season four and five, particularly so there's just
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again, an anything-goes feeling to this whole era and they're
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going to try it, whatever. And however and I'll yeah, I
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like that very much about these three years I think because it
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is, it is right to the end of the three years because the
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Savages which is a story I really like.
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And I know it's not particularly well thought of it's a really
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nice story and it's doing something different.
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Yeah, and even sort of the war machines coming after that is
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something that Doctor Who has not really done before.
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It's just that that becomes the template for what comes all the
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time afterwards. Even where you end here with the
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10th planet and those ghoulish Cybermen like they hadn't done
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anything like that before either.
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So right up until the last minute, they were innovating.
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Well gentlemen, shall we? Perhaps Tip into the web Planet
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episode 2, where the Innovation is well Riding High.
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I'm ready. Yep.
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Then Simon whichever side. Is it me?
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I am i counting Us in its place? Okay, four three, two, one.
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Go off we go. So I'm assuming then the ratings
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were not quite as high for episode 2.
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What did you sustained? It pretty well.
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I'll have to look this up now because I've what's I'm going to
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get my facts wrong and that's so hard.
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You surprised? No, I've not, come on Claire.
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Now, you are my new co-host, okay, changes.
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So quickly, you get another assignment in.
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Yeah, and I'm out, that's fine, right?
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What's up? During I've lost all track of
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the plot. So we've got, we had a four
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prong Cliffhanger. So Barbara is about to fall into
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a pool of acid, that's right. Vicki is stuck in the Tardis
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that has vanished. So we don't know where she's
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ended up, and Ian is stuck in a great big net.
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So you always paying attention and we're about to be introduced
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to the monob. Tray aren't wait for the first
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time. So, Simon extra.
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What do you think of the vanastra?
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I think they look fantastic now. What pain it was actually the
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first William Hartnell story. I saw way way way back in the
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day before any of the VHS releases about the only way that
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you could get to see Doctor Who stuff was either turn up to
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conventions or try and persuade somebody who was able to copy
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tapes to decision tape and I managed to Badger somebody to
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send me a Hartnell and troughton and I got the web planet and the
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crow charms. Which is why both of them have a
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special place in my heart but particular the web Planet, I
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absolutely loved it. My first my first introduction
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was the radio times 20th anniversary special where they
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did a list of all of the Doctor Who stories to that point and
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their description of the web planet was the monster Tori to
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end all monster stories with not just one, but five different
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alien. His, and that was the entire
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description and it just sounded fascinating.
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And that came out at the same time.
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As the five doctors was being screened and that was the, that
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was really the thing that turned me from somebody who enjoys
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watching Doctor Who and has watched it my entire life to.
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I am a fan of Doctor Who and there is a massive history about
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this that I want to know about and there are all these stories
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that I want to hear about maybe it was as a result of that, that
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I joined your ass back in 83 Did the story live up to?
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Obviously you had an idea of what the story was going to be
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like. Given that description did it
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live up to what you are? Hoping it was going to be hello
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doctoral. We do just bursting up onto the
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screen now. That was good moment.
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I've been having lessons from what's-her-name.
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Who did this live de Winters? Proto voguing.
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Yeah, just a little extension from the costume.
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You know, it's a just a real attempt to suggest that they
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were you know what's amazing is later on when they come swooping
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in, on the wires. Yeah, that weird music playing
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in the background this incredible, but that's what,
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I'm, that's one of the things that the, the Musa is does.
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Now, doesn't it where they have coaches to do the alien
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movement, so that all of the alien races are well, thought
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through. So, all of this started Add in
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the 60s and we mocked it for years.
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So insect Movement, by Rosalind the winter, but actually,
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they're doing something to create a credible and different
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kind of alien race that some of the other alien races afterwards
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would have done. Well, to, to sort of emulate,
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you attempting to suggest that the half are as memorable as the
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manometer, and I'll take that as a no.
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I've been knocked your beautiful, like they've got,
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they've made them with wings that actually extend, which is
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just wonderful. It's just that attention to
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detail really makes them and wowzers.
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That's a model shot, isn't it? That's hardest being dragged.
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Across that sort of smoky playing.
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Are they all trying out? They like yeah, it really does.
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Because okay, okay, well, this is the point where I want to ask
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you about, Richard, Martin and his merits, or otherwise, as a
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director, and I'm going to throw this out to dr.
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Exton first. Looking at it dispassionately.
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There are bit, there are bits of this, whether Direction could be
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tightened up. I talked in the last episode
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about how we could do without the zombie in it and having a
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proper monster reveal at the end.
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This would be a fantastic monster reveal where you've just
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got Vicky looking up at the scanner with the Czar be
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appearing in, and there's just all that reaction on her face.
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She Maureen O'Brien. Did that brilliantly?
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And that would make, that would make a fantastic monster reveal
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but we didn't get that. I don't think he's the greatest
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director that the show has ever seen.
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I think they, I think they needed somebody with a bit more
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or could have done with somebody with bit more and a bit more
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vision for that. And something like Warriors,
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Hussein would have been fantastic but they didn't have
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workers who say they had Richard Martin.
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I think he does a good competent job and the inventiveness of the
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plot and the visuals. Cover up for degrees of slow,
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Direction by spit weather. Just amused by Barbara's hair.
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Yeah, that's another wonderful. My my biggest objection to
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Richard Martin is that in the special features of the Chase?
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And I think this as well, he is lamenting the fact that, you
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know, he didn't have a lot of money to realize because he had
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really beautiful ideas of how they should look, you know.
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And that he didn't have the time to get it, right?
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But you know they gave him all the Blockbusters of season 2
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didn't, they gave him Dalek invasion of Earth.
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They gave him the Chase and they gave him the web Planet.
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So that's the that's the big hitters of this season, really?
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You know? And I don't think he's up to
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directing those and you look at the work that Douglas Adams is
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doing in the same seems Campfield you me.
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Oh, so that's it. Direct how long before he was a
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writer but with the same money with the same time and it's far
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more polished yellow and and so I don't think it's entirely.
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I don't think he can break blame time and money.
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I do think it's down to the competence of the director and
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their scenes. In this like weather's are be
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Wilson to the camera where they Ian and rest in go underground.
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And you can hear someone laughing in the background, like
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things like that should be, they should Never have made it to the
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screen, no matter how few counts they can have.
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So don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I think this is
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completely incompetent I think they do a good stab.
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I question whether they handed it to the right man.
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Personally it's really interesting because he is Rich.
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Martin is a brilliant director on film where he does have more
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time and he does have more control and he can cut a lot
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more easily. So you think The Dalek and
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mechanoids fight at the end of the chase, or those scenes
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running around London, in the Dalek invasion of Earth.
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And he's suddenly, that sort of seems on a different seems
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almost like a different director to the for the rest of the
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stories that you're watching. So he he does have a flair on
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when he's got time and sort of resources to do that.
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I've been his Studio. those always seemed a bit fraught, and
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I don't know, whether he's just sort of trying to push it just a
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bit too far and he's just a bit out of his comfort zone and
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can't quite get what he wants onto the screen, but it always
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feels like there's nothing is ever quite right.
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When he's on videotape in the studio, trying to put things
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together and he always Carswell and the cost of this is they do
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magnificently. Who is going on here with the
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tallest being dragged into that thing with all the tentacles
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reaching. It's so weird, isn't it?
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Yeah. Okay I see there is Imagination
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here that comes from the script and he is doing his best to
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bring that up, but trying to is there an inference of this whole
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planet is alive because like the the kind of the evil cancer and
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it's under the ground, this part of the planet, isn't it?
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It's grown. It's grown from the vote of the
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fabric of the planet and there's a bit later on what they say,
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when it's grown, right? The way around the planet,
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should be too late and it's entertaining.
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And it's interesting that you say cancer because the name
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casa, no was taken from carcinoma description of cancer.
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I'll say yes. I think, actually, she says
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that's growing at the heart of this planet, but that is like,
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that is a staggering idea. Yeah, I think we'll struts in
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is, is very imaginative. His ideas are our big and alien,
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and imagining a world that has I can't answer that is growing and
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has changed the world and has forced some of the population
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away. And it's taken control of.
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The animals is just wonderful. We'll talk about Bill strassen,
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doctor exten. Have you read the novel of this?
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The web planet? Yes.
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Quite a few times and I never have.
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How does it read pretty well? It, it does expand on some bits
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the story. it's quite a long time since I've read it, but it
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was that it was the novel was actually my first introduction
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to the story. Proper before I saw it, right?
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And okay. And that's true for almost all
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of the 60s Doctor Who because I've read the targets before any
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of the any of the the VHS is were available.
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That was the only way we had to had to experience and wasn't it?
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I'm sorry. Go on.
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I was gonna say it's kind of why they're historical sites, were a
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bit unknown territory for me. When I do, I came to watch them
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because most of the historical 's weren't in that run of the
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Terrance dicks. Very short Target novels.
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Mmm. They tended to come along later
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and you had Donald cotton doing the Romans in the mythmakers and
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the gun Fighters and they're all brilliant books, but they're
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all, they're all good series. Yeah.
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And then John Luke karate came and did did all of his but now
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until sort of the mid-80s at the earliest.
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So it was only the the Crusaders was was the most of the one
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muscle it originally. So he's one of the original
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Three, wasn't it? Yes, it was this, the Crusade
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and they the doll exciting adventure with the Alex.
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Yeah, I do with the three ones in the 60s and that then it was
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late. So to mid 70s by the time you
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get in the Terran stick stuff. So when your original like
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realization of this story was in your head, you know you yeah
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until all the pictures yourself. So I find that even more
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extraordinary than that you didn't went on and watch this.
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And you were as impressed as you know, I've been Wicked.
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Sorry that I've complained about Richard Martin but there was a
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extraordinary shot there from above.
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He shot it from right above the set.
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Of the zombies. All surrounding the doctor
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Indian? Yeah.
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That was quite impressive. It looks fantastic.
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And there was a shot earlier. That was really, really nice of
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Vicki. In the Tardis shot through the
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time rotor. Yes, wonderful.
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So I wonder if he did, I have. Okay.
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Maybe I'm being maybe if he did have more time and certainly
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more money. Like so you were saying about
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when he's shooting on film and those sequences of the monob try
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flying in. That's one film isn't That is.
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Yeah, so it does look A Cut Above those sequences.
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I think that's where his vision is.
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Best realized in those sequences there.
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Yeah, some we have some of the 60s directors.
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It would be interesting to see what they have done in the 70s
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and the 80s when there is a bit more time and a bit more budget
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and see if they could have done something, how they would have
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approached it differently. Like I wouldn't want to ever
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complain about the special effects of classic Doctor Who,
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but look at this was being done. Now, it would look
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Extraordinary. Wouldn't it like like the
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planet? What, yeah, it would be tendrils
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everywhere. You'd have butterflies flying
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about well over the place, you know.
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It would be visually astonishing I think.
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Yeah. And I'm the set designer talks
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on the on the DVD with Richard Martin about how they wanted,
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the class alarm sets to be really organic and Blobby, but
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they were constrained by the materials that they had to make
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it because they had to erect it in the studio.
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So you could do what you could do now and sort of do that.
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Do a very organic kind of sets sort of Fairly easily but then
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they were, they had to have something physical that was
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there. And so you have to have edges
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and you have to have things standing up, sort of rigid and
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you can't. And as I said they had to
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recreate it each week. Back in the studio.
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They had to put the set back up so they had to have something
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that could physically be the same each week.
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And I think they do really well with the the outside because
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there are tendrils growing into it.
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Yeah it's a very three-dimensional structure and
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You get a real feeling of sort of.
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Looking looking down through that Corridor in the car.
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So now I've arrived amazed in the way that a lot of sets that
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try and do the same thing later on in the show's history.
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Just don't manage. I mean you compare this 2 Omega
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Citadel in the three doctors which is really poor design.
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Isn't it? Just like creme brulee, doesn't
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it? Honestly and this has a ceiling.
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Yes. Which don't get very offered
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Omaha. For a sailing in dogs.
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Yeah, that's so rare. I just, I, we talked over it,
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but we just had the most amazing shot of a monster going into the
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Tardis and seeing it going through the police box and see
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it from the console room as well, which is just incredible
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hostile. Displacement circuits on us,
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like, why does it have a little bit break down?
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And then, come running out again. 14.
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And it's a doctor extant. I'm assuming that it's because
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it gets freaked out because as it goes into the Tardis, the
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Animus is control drops of this, crystalline Communications
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device here. And, you know, and initially, I
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thought I would look at this and then that they're kind of like
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playing about with the crystals, but actually, he doesn't like
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several times and he does it exactly the same way each time.
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So they have a Actually fought through this prop and how it
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works. It's found that the whole
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contrast between the the surface Fortis shots, where there's
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there's the lens Vaseline and everything.
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And okay you can laugh that it looks very primitive and It does
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look primitive. They were working with what they
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had at the time. There's a real contrast between
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that and the in Dorset, but I'll tell you what doctor said,
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there's nothing wrong with using Vaseline to get the desired
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effect. You know.
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I am aware of this. You're a filthy filthy man.
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Well done. The sound effects, right?
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Because obviously we listen to this with the sound on, or at
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least I am and I've heard complaints, you know, that
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there's our B sound effects can be a little bit grating after a
25:00
while, but actually, I think especially in 60s who, where,
25:06
you know, they always have the money, the sound of Effects.
25:08
Go a long way to creating the atmosphere in the mood of the
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stall. Gorge are iron.
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You watch something like Galaxy for.
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Yeah. And the sound effects are just
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wonderful or the crow Ton's. Yes.
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Where there isn't a musical score but this Brian Hodgson is
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providing one. What about the mines were bar
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with the white robots and the Clockwork soldiers.
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Yeah. And this is Okay, time to force
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emphasise a so they're doing this with cut-up, sounds and
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tape and loops and on a very, very fast turnover.
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And he's making the series sound incredibly distinctive and it's
25:51
no wonder it's sort of influenced a generation of
25:55
people. You know, I'm not sure about
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this this action set piece, we're getting like there's all
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be if John Scott Martin what for He's got it.
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Look, he's got the thing inside his mouth.
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Looks like the whole point is that they did.
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The man optra aren't supposed to be Fighters, they're supposed to
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be peaceful. They weren't able to get rid of
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the animals to start with me. They've had to learn the concept
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of fighting and not all that good at it.
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That's true. And you know, if they had the
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money to do, like a swarm of ants Hyo, just all coming all
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over each other, you know, like, you know, like I swabbed ours
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and doesn't even say like a signal cost for a seat for a
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house. Yeah.
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If they've had the money to realize something like that, I
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would be absolutely extraordinary.
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And there was a bit there where The Venom groups have killed one
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of them at optra and just lying there on the ground and there's
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our becomes it as just stomping all over the way.
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It's literally stands on it. Yeah, I do.
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Now, this is horrible. And what's fabulous about this
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scene 105 Horace, horrific is it's all through jacket Hills
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acting. Isn't it about what's happening?
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And I think that is scarier like not showing us what's going on,
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is actually of my imagination can go, pretty far out, you
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know. Really, really, and that the bit
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in this work, she was wearing the, the gold collar and under
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control and he pulls the gold collar off, and you can see him
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struggling with the control to be able to drop it.
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That was beautifully done. Do you have other?
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I've been feeling crops on skateboards or something because
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I say what they get across those so Pharaoh League.
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I thought there was somebody crawling away underneath.
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What if there's a scene later on where one just goes straight to
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say is amazing. Yes, there we go.
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Jaclyn Hill horror of my she's so good.
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That is just, that is horrific in a sort of hidden horror kind
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of way. Just the whole idea of it and
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Hartnell here where he's trying nonverbal, communication with
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the zombie, is the doctor trying to think his way through this
28:24
situation, isn't it? Because that was, that was very
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first bit of this story I ever saw.
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When they put it bizarrely on a trailer for silver Nemesis in
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1988, Really. Yeah.
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So vividly remember the bit where it says?
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No the doctors not getting through to them.
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I'll look here we go. Come along and drop this hair
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dryer or whatever it is. Oh can someone do the line?
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Come on. Why do you come now?
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It's a great voice, isn't it? Brilliant and Escape team
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changer? Oh well, that's a big title that
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is that sounds like I was one of ten sticks.
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His favorite chapter titles for his target books, okay?
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Well then episode because I got a couple of minutes.
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I want to ask you both, do you The individual episode tiles or
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do you and do you think like when they were dropped and we we
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just had a one-story title that was the right time to do it.
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Dr. Extant briefly. Yes and yes.
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I do like them and it's like I was saying at the beginning it
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must have been must be really exciting to start a new story
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and not know how many episodes it was going to be, is this
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going to? Is this going to run for 12
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episodes? Or is it going to be over in
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two? Or is it just going to be A
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filler one piece that goes on to do something else.
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At the end of it, is it going to be a standard for by there by
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the time you come into the end of season two?
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Is this historical going to stay a historical?
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Or is it going to end up with some sort of Science Fiction
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weirdness to it? Yeah.
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I like the individual story titles I I mean, I love pretty
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much all the classic Who so I like the thing that it
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crystallized into in series 4 and I don't think they could
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have sustained the level of inventiveness that they were
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doing in the first three years. Pretty much throughout the whole
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the Hartnell run. But I love that level of
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inventiveness. And I think the individual
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appetizer episode titles really encapsulate that So yeah, I
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think I think you're right. I was always build.
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Wasn't it in the radio times as an adventure in in time and
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space or space and time and that was all it was you never knew
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how long it was going to be what I like about the individual
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episode titles, is it means that we've had now nearly 60 years of
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being able to argue about what the stories are actually called
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overall, which is always a joy. So, and we are still arguing
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that one. So this days So it doesn't
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matter how many pieces of paperwork there are, no one's
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still has a definitive answer on all of them, and we will all
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disagree on that. So, I know that that's good, I
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think, as we hit formulate, more formulaic Doctor Who having an
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story title and individual Parts makes perfect sense.
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But here again with freewheeling, it's the early
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years. We can do anything and and we we
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are. And I think some of the
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Individual episode titles. Leave a lot to be desired.
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Terry Nation. Are you kidding me?
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There are some of my favorites, the death of time, the brink of
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Destruction. I mean, I think no, no, it's
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more Terry Nations. Coronas of the sun.
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I mean, it sounds good, but it has no meaning for the whole
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episodes. Are you telling me?
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You wouldn't turn up for the episode called Coronas of the
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Sun? Whether you were Hoodwinked or
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not, I'd probably turned up. Anyway, it's Doctor Who and the
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other. The other thing that there's a,
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you can have an argument about with, in some cases is just what
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constitutes a story. And how long is it?
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Yeah. Because I am I'm an absolute
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believer in that, the first four episodes is two separate
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stories, and another three child is an individual story.
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And then the tribe of gum is is that marry episode historical.
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Yeah. And because okay, so and you can
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argue it because it's the same production team same offer, but
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not it's not necessarily the same story and in a way you can
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argue that the ark is two different stories.
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I was just gonna Actually, just gonna say it or just waiting for
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moles. Yeah, I actually did, you can
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find. It had fun with this.
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Can you? And, and split up?
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Yeah, I'm because the stories are all.
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There's more often than not a cliffhanger into the next story.
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It is one conservative narrative, continuous narrative,
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and actually, when on the X and most experiment, when we did the
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ark, We've only done the first two episodes as a contained
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story because that was our we did to post lockdown episodes
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when we were first able to get together after about 18 months
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to do some recording and the the first two episodes of The Ark
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were, are we're out of lockdown Doctor.
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Who amazing? I'm gonna guess.
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What else? I'm gonna listen to tomorrow.
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Now, we also did come back. Mrs. Noah, which is