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  Speaker 1: I'm Chris Hansen right now on Crime Watch Daily. From
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  Speaker 1: here in New York City.
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  Speaker 2: A beautiful Southern teen named Mercedes Hollleslie killed and dumped
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  Speaker 2: in the woods. Detectives know her boyfriend didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Make a fast easily to the margaret.
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  Speaker 2: But the motive is almost unbelievable. A night of passion
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  Speaker 2: that turned into a crime of passion. When a kiss
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  Speaker 2: who kiss I was groping he exposes mercedes deeply personal secret.
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  Speaker 2: Then a conversation between classmates in a high school homeroom
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  Speaker 2: ends in a murder for hire.
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  Speaker 4: She very specifically asked me to kill her father.
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  Speaker 2: The trigger man tells his side of the story. Did
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  Speaker 2: he do it for the money or to rescue her?
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  Speaker 3: Did she specifically say that her father was sexually as.
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  Speaker 2: Plus a major break in one of New York's longest
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  Speaker 2: un solved mysteries. Could this carpenter be the Gilgo Beach
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  Speaker 2: serial killer?
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  Speaker 1: Right now, let's.
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  Speaker 5: Go Jason Matterwa with Prime Watch Daily.
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  Speaker 6: I'm miss also going to from Crimewatch Dailey, Yes.
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  Speaker 7: Lisbeth Smart from Crimewatch Daily.
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  Speaker 8: It's Ana Garcia from Crime Watch Daily.
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  Speaker 1: You got anything to say? Is Crime Watch Daily? You
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  Speaker 1: don't know if she's thirteen, you're running away now.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Crime Watch Daily, everyone, I'm Chris Hansen. People
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  Speaker 2: often say you can't help who you fall in love with,
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  Speaker 2: and when it comes to the story of Mercedes Williamson,
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  Speaker 2: her complicated romance would cost.
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  Speaker 1: Her her life. Narissa Knight is here now with the details.
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  Speaker 7: Chris, I'm here in Mississippi where a toxic relationship ended
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  Speaker 7: in murder and the case would make national headlines.
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  Speaker 9: You chasing mersades to the woods.
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  Speaker 3: To screaming.
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  Speaker 7: Her seventeen year old Bonnie was just barely concealed beneath
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  Speaker 7: sticks and leaves. The secrets that put.
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  Speaker 10: Her there's KOs kill.
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  Speaker 11: Inside this biadis biadis biad buried much deeper.
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  Speaker 7: Why did Mercedes Williamson lose her life?
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  Speaker 12: She was becoming what she wanted to be, she thought,
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  Speaker 12: for what twisted motives led to her debt?
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  Speaker 13: He had to silence her to protect his identity.
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  Speaker 7: Just how did a murderer in small town Mississippi become
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  Speaker 7: a national news story and a federal crime.
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  Speaker 12: It makes me just want to scream.
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  Speaker 7: Even from the beginning. Who killed Mercedes Williamson was not
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  Speaker 7: a mystery? Why he did it? Well, that's a whole
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  Speaker 7: other story.
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  Speaker 3: If you could, Kathy, describe your Nie subscribe.
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  Speaker 14: Mercedes fun, loving, honest.
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  Speaker 2: She was very very strong and strong headed, you know, and.
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  Speaker 7: The headstrong Alabama teens on Kathy says, she had big
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  Speaker 7: plans for her future.
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  Speaker 14: She wanted to go to California and do the famous
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  Speaker 14: people's hair and makeup because she could do a better
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  Speaker 14: job on them than the other people could. And she
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  Speaker 14: wanted to be famous for making people famous.
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  Speaker 7: Instead it would be infamy and the notoriety she craved
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  Speaker 7: would come for all the wrong reasons.
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  Speaker 10: She never made it.
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  Speaker 14: She never made it.
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  Speaker 7: It started when Mercedes met a twenty seven year old
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  Speaker 7: Mississippi man named Josh Valla, first on Facebook and then
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  Speaker 7: in real life.
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  Speaker 3: Who is Josh? What type of person was he?
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  Speaker 14: From what my sister says, he was nice. He took
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  Speaker 14: Mercedes out dinner, They go to the movies.
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  Speaker 1: They had a.
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  Speaker 14: Relationship, girlfriend boyfriend relationship.
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  Speaker 7: Here the apparently happy couple can be seen surrounded by
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  Speaker 7: Josh's friends at a beach party, a night police would
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  Speaker 7: learn much more about in the months to follow. Not
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  Speaker 7: long after that photo, for reasons still not completely disclosed,
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  Speaker 7: Josh and Mercedes broke up and for the next several
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  Speaker 7: months they were out of each other's lives. Then, depending
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  Speaker 7: on who you believe, a chance encounter on May thirtieth,
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  Speaker 7: what happened to Mercedes that.
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  Speaker 13: Day probably started out like any other day for Mercedes.
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  Speaker 13: She was walking down a parkway in Daulphin Island. Josh
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  Speaker 13: Vallum showed up literally on the side of the road,
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  Speaker 13: rolled down the window and asked her to get in
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  Speaker 13: the car, and Mercedes got in the car with you.
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  Speaker 7: It was the last anyone would see of her alive.
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  Speaker 7: Two days later, and roughly seventy miles away, the George
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  Speaker 7: County missus us to be Sheriff's Department gets a call
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  Speaker 7: from a concerned father.
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  Speaker 11: I initially took a phone call from Josh Violem's dad
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  Speaker 11: on Monday, June the first, saying that he believes his
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  Speaker 11: son had murdered somebody and he was on the impression
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  Speaker 11: the body was on his property.
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  Speaker 3: When we first got there.
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  Speaker 11: We discovered a foul odor of decomposing.
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  Speaker 7: Flesh, and then they see it a dirty pink flipflop
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  Speaker 7: resting on lifeless legs.
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  Speaker 11: And we'd come across the body which was laying face
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  Speaker 11: down with loose vegetation covering the body.
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  Speaker 3: From the dress appearance, that was a female, but due.
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  Speaker 11: To the trauma to the head and insect activity, we
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  Speaker 11: were not able to identify who it was.
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  Speaker 7: It was only after the body was sent to the
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  Speaker 7: morgue that authorities and soon the rest of the country
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  Speaker 7: would learn the identity.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up person that wasn't who I thought.
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  Speaker 7: He was a motive for murder. That will leave you stunned.
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  Speaker 4: Who were kids?
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  Speaker 9: I was groping?
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  Speaker 2: A father calls cops and says he believes his son's
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  Speaker 2: are murderer, and police are starting to think the same
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  Speaker 2: thing after they discover a dead body. But that's only
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  Speaker 2: part of the story. Let's head back to Mississippi and
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  Speaker 2: our nur.
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  Speaker 3: Is a Knight.
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  Speaker 7: Shortly after Mercedes Williamson was picked up by her ex
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  Speaker 7: boyfriend Josh Vallam, a body is found in the field
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  Speaker 7: behind Josh's dad's house. What did you know at that point?
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  Speaker 11: It was very, very horrific, saying because of the mulation
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  Speaker 11: to the head, there was no facial recognition at all.
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  Speaker 7: But when the body goes to the morgue, it is
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  Speaker 7: identified as a seventeen year old boy named Michael Wilkins.
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  Speaker 7: Investigative reporter Margaret Baker is working for the Mississippi Sun
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  Speaker 7: Herald when her colleague gets the initial story.
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  Speaker 15: As I said, all I'm saying is there was a body,
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  Speaker 15: but the body had a bra.
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  Speaker 7: That is the body of a boy wearing a bra.
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  Speaker 10: And I'm going, okay, Well, something something strynge here.
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  Speaker 7: Margaret goes back to read her colleague story and while
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  Speaker 7: looking at the comments, something else strange catches her eye.
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  Speaker 15: I noticed somebody had said rest in pace, Mercedes, and
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  Speaker 15: I'm saying, you know who's versides.
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  Speaker 7: That's when she realized that Mercedes Williamson and Michael Wilkins
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  Speaker 7: were one in the.
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  Speaker 10: Same Mersides was trash general?
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  Speaker 7: How old was Michael when he transitioned to Mercedes fourteen?
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  Speaker 7: How did that go with us?
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  Speaker 14: It went well, as Dady did not accept it at
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  Speaker 14: all and disowned him.
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  Speaker 7: It hurt him, but Mercedes is on Camfi also says
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  Speaker 7: that she was happy with who she was, so there
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  Speaker 7: was no shame in Mercedes game No.
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  Speaker 2: And I asked my sid do you feel comfortable?
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  Speaker 14: He said, I feel happy. I said, that's all I
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  Speaker 14: want to hear.
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  Speaker 4: That's all that matters.
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  Speaker 14: That's all that mattered.
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  Speaker 7: But how much did Mercedes, one time boyfriend and now
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  Speaker 7: suspected killer know about any of this?
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  Speaker 4: Josh was owned Jane.
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  Speaker 11: The second after we discovered mercedes body, I get a
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  Speaker 11: phone call saying that Josh's father has brought him in
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  Speaker 11: and he's turned himself in. And that's when Jonathan Carroll,
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  Speaker 11: who's an agent with the Task Force, and myself conducted
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  Speaker 11: the interview with Josh.
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  Speaker 3: Will let you do all the talking?
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  Speaker 8: All right?
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  Speaker 9: I got proson last year. During that summer I met
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  Speaker 9: this person be talled you so grew like a personal lot.
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  Speaker 9: I didn't know it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: The person I thought it was.
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  Speaker 7: Josh goes on to say that the two hung out
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  Speaker 7: three or four times a week over several months, though
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  Speaker 7: he does not know if he'd call it a natural
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  Speaker 7: relationship or having sex.
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  Speaker 14: You know, there was rules and how we ever got
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  Speaker 14: to do is kids.
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  Speaker 9: I was thinking, all right, well, maybe you know she's
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  Speaker 9: a virgin. She's trying to hold.
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  Speaker 7: Out, and Josh says that before he ever found out otherwise,
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  Speaker 7: Mercedes ended things completely. Then that faithful day months later,
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  Speaker 7: I pulled.
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  Speaker 9: Over, rolled down the window.
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  Speaker 15: I was like, what are you doing this evening?
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  Speaker 2: She said nothing.
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  Speaker 3: He said nothing, and I was like, well, now you
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  Speaker 3: got plans.
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  Speaker 9: Get in And I made my attentions clear. You know,
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  Speaker 9: I was warning on in some sex.
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  Speaker 7: And though Mercedes had, according to Josh, refused that request
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  Speaker 7: every time before, he claims there was no argument that.
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  Speaker 9: Day on in place that I could think to go to,
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  Speaker 9: you know, high station with my dad's house. So we
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  Speaker 9: get there and I dropped the back of the field.
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  Speaker 3: We go to kissing. You know, take your time.
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  Speaker 4: Who were kissing.
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  Speaker 14: I was groping.
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  Speaker 9: And I felt something that what was supposed to be there.
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  Speaker 7: Josh says after that he blacked out and when he
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  Speaker 7: came to.
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  Speaker 3: He was staying over Mercedes with a hammer in his.
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  Speaker 6: Hand, and I panicked.
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  Speaker 9: All that was going through my head at the time
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  Speaker 9: was you know what you know?
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  Speaker 7: Then Josh claims he ran back to his car, where
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  Speaker 7: he found the passenger door open, blood on the interior
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  Speaker 7: and other clues.
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  Speaker 15: My phone was believe me.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't find my knife.
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  Speaker 9: I know I used the taser because there was landing
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  Speaker 9: my floorboards of your vehicle.
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  Speaker 7: But though Josh says the specifics are all a blank,
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  Speaker 7: he does admit to trying to conceal his crime afterward.
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  Speaker 16: And I know this makes it look bad on me
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  Speaker 16: because I tried to cover it up.
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  Speaker 2: It is what it is.
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  Speaker 14: I can't change what I did.
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  Speaker 2: If I could, Oh God. But I went home.
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  Speaker 9: I got a shower, I cleaned my car. I put
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  Speaker 9: the taser in, that hammer in the bags, put all
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  Speaker 9: that in my car. I didn't want leave mother in
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  Speaker 9: the dad's house. I didn't want I don't want anybody
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  Speaker 9: involved in what I did.
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  Speaker 7: So he took the hammer but left the body.
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  Speaker 4: He runs to the house.
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  Speaker 3: He has blood all over him.
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  Speaker 11: His brother sees him, and he tells his brother, you know,
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  Speaker 11: for the love of God, just keep your mouth shut,
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  Speaker 11: ask no questions.
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  Speaker 3: It's bad, as bad as bad I him.
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  Speaker 7: Do not say anything, thankfully for the people who loved Mercedes.
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  Speaker 7: His brother did talk, which is ultimately what led shearers
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  Speaker 7: to the body. And Josh, I.
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  Speaker 9: Didn't hate that person, though I liked that person.
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  Speaker 2: That the way it turned out.
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  Speaker 7: So did it all happen like Josh said it did,
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  Speaker 7: a true crime of passion.
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  Speaker 13: He was trying to claim what known as transgender panic
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  Speaker 13: or penis panic, that that he's making out with what
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  Speaker 13: he thinks is a female and he feels a penis,
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  Speaker 13: and he freaks out and conducts the killing.
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  Speaker 7: There was just one problem with that.
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  Speaker 4: You have testimony from her neighbor. What did her neighbors.
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  Speaker 11: Say that it was no doubt that joshy that you know,
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  Speaker 11: Mercedes was you know, had you know, male anatomy, and
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  Speaker 11: that that was not a problem with Josh.
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  Speaker 7: In fact, police actually had multiple witnesses claiming they were
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  Speaker 7: certain Josh and Mercedes were having sex long before that day,
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  Speaker 7: and this.
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  Speaker 4: Friend said that she could hear them left her home.
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  Speaker 7: This was months prior. Yes, wow, so this throws out
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  Speaker 7: the window the claim of him finding out in that
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  Speaker 7: moment that he killed her that she was a man.
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  Speaker 11: Yes, that is not true.
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  Speaker 7: So then what is true? As it turns out, Mercedes
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  Speaker 7: wasn't the only one with two identities.
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  Speaker 9: I need to make this cleary out. I'm affiliated you
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  Speaker 9: prob her that and.
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  Speaker 3: Who you affiliated with?
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  Speaker 11: Right?
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  Speaker 7: It was a major revelation. Josh Vallam himself claiming to
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  Speaker 7: be a high ranking member of the notorious Latin King
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  Speaker 7: Street gang, though that's about as much as he would
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  Speaker 7: say about it.
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  Speaker 12: Kind of question for the hysteria he sayed that you
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  Speaker 12: may want to reveal about Nebel lad King Evening.
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  Speaker 9: Had nothing to do with this. It shouldn't affects him whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a.
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  Speaker 7: Trader, just a confessed murderer.
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  Speaker 11: Oh he confess easily to the to the murder itself,
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  Speaker 11: and for someone who's murdered somebody, he was very calm,
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  Speaker 11: but yet he was very evasive, especially with the gang active, and.
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  Speaker 7: As police were about to learn that had everything to
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  Speaker 7: do with an even bigger secret buried in Josh's phone,
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  Speaker 7: one that would blow his claims of any sort of
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  Speaker 7: crime of passion out of the water.
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  Speaker 13: On that cell phone told us who the real Josh
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  Speaker 13: Ballam was coming up.
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  Speaker 1: That was the big case breaker.
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  Speaker 7: You won't believe what police find on that phone.
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  Speaker 10: And she said, Joshua, I'm being set up.
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  Speaker 7: Josh Vallum speaks from behind bars, revealing chilling new details
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  Speaker 7: about what really happened.
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  Speaker 9: Said, Oh God, Josh, please never.
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  Speaker 1: It's an alarming fact.
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  Speaker 2: Nearly sixty transgender men and women have been violently killed
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  Speaker 2: in the last three years. One of them Mercedes Williamson
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  Speaker 2: Nurissa and is back now with more of a story.
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  Speaker 2: And Wyatt even attracted the attention of Caitlin Jenner.
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  Speaker 7: She was born Michael Wilkins, lived and died as Mercedes Williamson,
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  Speaker 7: two different identities, but in the end, a mother has
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  Speaker 7: lost her only child.
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  Speaker 1: The promo part so bad.
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  Speaker 14: Because I don't have anybody value.
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  Speaker 12: You go through life knowing that your only child was
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  Speaker 12: murdered for being who they wanted to be. She's going
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  Speaker 12: to live in ale and so has everybody else in
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  Speaker 12: this family.
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  Speaker 1: And for what.
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  Speaker 7: According to the man who killed her, Ladin King's Gag
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  Speaker 7: member Josh Vallam, it was because of how he found
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  Speaker 7: out Mercedes was born a male.
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  Speaker 9: I moved my hand, you know, trying to full play
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  Speaker 9: tap my hand down and all this.
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  Speaker 15: The way he put it, she had something that wasn't
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  Speaker 15: supposed to be there, a penis, and he just went
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  Speaker 15: into a rage and next thing you know, he's killed her.
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  Speaker 3: Person.
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  Speaker 9: That wasn't what I thought he was.
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  Speaker 7: But multiple witnesses say that story just doesn't add up.
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  Speaker 12: Lie.
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  Speaker 14: They were sexual action going on in my sister's house,
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  Speaker 14: and he said, well, I didn't know, you're lie.
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  Speaker 7: And authorities had even more evidence to support that claim,
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  Speaker 7: some of which Josh unwittingly offered up himself.
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  Speaker 9: I see what, oh, y'all, I haven't fallen.
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  Speaker 4: At my house.
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  Speaker 7: Josh points police to an old phone he says might
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  Speaker 7: have more information about Mercedes, but he forgot what else
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  Speaker 7: was on that phone.
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  Speaker 13: On that cell phone, I think told us who the
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  Speaker 13: real Josh Ballum was. There were hundreds of pictures of
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  Speaker 13: mail on male sex, of penises, And I don't know
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  Speaker 13: how someone can claim of penis panic when they've got
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  Speaker 13: hundreds of pictures of penises on a cell phone they used.
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  Speaker 7: So if it wasn't that, what's the real reason Mercedes
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  Speaker 7: had to die?
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  Speaker 3: Good laws.
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  Speaker 13: During the investigations, law enforcement did a search warrant at
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  Speaker 13: one of the gang members' homes. At that home, we
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  Speaker 13: found that a binder with all the bylaws and guidelines
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  Speaker 13: that people were to.
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  Speaker 7: Live by seen here in copies of the actual documents
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  Speaker 7: seized by police. The rules seemed fairly straightforward. No stealing,
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  Speaker 7: no discussing gang business with anyone outside of the gang,
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  Speaker 7: all laws one might expect from any under organization. But
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  Speaker 7: then there is rule number twenty one. No members should
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  Speaker 7: be involved in homosexual activities, and that.
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  Speaker 13: Was found in just a few days after Josh Ballam's arrest,
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  Speaker 13: and I think that was the first thing that made
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  Speaker 13: me suspicious that the gang may have been the motive
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  Speaker 13: for the killing.
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  Speaker 7: In fact, as part of the investigation, police did question
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  Speaker 7: one of Josh's fellow gang members who gave them this photo,
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  Speaker 7: the one of Josh and Mercedes at that beach party
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  Speaker 7: months before. Turns out it was a Laddin King's affair,
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  Speaker 7: and the other gang member says he was there that night.
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  Speaker 11: He told us that he had asked Josh, you know, said,
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  Speaker 11: you know, Mercedes looks kind of like, are you sure
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  Speaker 11: that Mercedes not a Miami, because you know she has
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  Speaker 11: itams apple, And Josh's response to him was, well, you know,
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  Speaker 11: she has some harmony issues, so but yeah, she's a woman.
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  Speaker 3: You know, she's a female.
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  Speaker 7: So it seems Josh's own gang suspected him of breakings
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  Speaker 7: rule number twenty one. But then how severe could the
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  Speaker 7: punishment really be.
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  Speaker 11: It's not uncommon for games that have the KOs order,
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  Speaker 11: which is killed on the side when someone commits a
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  Speaker 11: major violation of their bylaws and rules. He killed Mercedes
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  Speaker 11: to protect himself, and that's.
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  Speaker 7: How prosecutors saw it too. Josh Vellum is charged with
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  Speaker 7: first degree murder by deliberate design. Though in a surprise move,
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  Speaker 7: when Josh finally stands before a judge, it's to suddenly
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  Speaker 7: own up to everything.
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  Speaker 13: He pled guilty to a first degree murder.
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  Speaker 4: He never testified.
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  Speaker 6: There was never a trial.
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  Speaker 4: Why do you think so?
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  Speaker 11: Because he does not want the Latin Kings to know
• 19:49
  Speaker 11: the real reason why he killed Mercedes.
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: And yet it's all out there now. As part of
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: Josh's plea, he admits that after being confronted by other
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: gang members, he decided to kill Mercedes, planning how it
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: would happen for at least two days before he picked
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: her up. What's more, she may have figured it out
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: just before she died.
• 20:12
  Speaker 15: She got in the car and at one point she
• 20:14
  Speaker 15: got spooked.
• 20:15
  Speaker 10: She said, Josh am I being set up.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: And her instincts told her that that's something that.
• 20:21
  Speaker 10: Was already afraid.
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: It was one of many chilling details Josh Vallum would
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: later reveal to Mississippi Sun Herald reporter Margaret Baker in
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: this jailhouse interview.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: It's not my fault. She got in my vehicle after
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I told her I wanted to have sex.
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: Josh says, after driving Mercedes over seventy miles to his
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: dad's property. The endgame began.
• 20:46
  Speaker 15: I stop, and pretty quickly he pulls out the stun
• 20:50
  Speaker 15: gun and sticks her with that. He had the knock
• 20:54
  Speaker 15: and he started stabbing her or anything.
• 20:57
  Speaker 10: She said. She said, oh God, Josh, please now, and.
• 21:02
  Speaker 15: She's saying, you know, she really wants to live, you know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 15: don't do this, and you know, I'm so young. She
• 21:12
  Speaker 15: was screaming, and she managed to get out of the
• 21:16
  Speaker 15: side of the car, of the passenger's side and ran around,
• 21:19
  Speaker 15: and he chased her until you finally caught up with her.
• 21:26
  Speaker 10: Hit her, hit her in the heaven and hammer, he said.
• 21:31
  Speaker 15: He beat her over the head with the claw hammer
• 21:34
  Speaker 15: until she fell out, and he beat her a couple
• 21:39
  Speaker 15: more times with the claw hammer and make sure she
• 21:41
  Speaker 15: was dead.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I wish that I could take it back.
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: If there was one thing that I could take back,
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: I wish that that would be it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: And oddly enough, that's one thing authorities actually believe.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: This is kind of a weird case because I believe it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 13: Josh and Mercedes loved each other, but he chose the
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: game over that love. If there's no game, there's no killing.
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: For pleading guilty to first degree murder in the state
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: of Mississippi. Josh Vellum is given a life sentence, but
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: that still wasn't the end of the story. During Josh's
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: initial interrogation, he made this telling prediction, I.
• 22:20
  Speaker 9: Mean, would this, being a transational as five would be
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: label as a hate crime?
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: He was right. In addition to his life sentence in Mississippi,
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: Josh Vallam receives an additional forty nine years in federal
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: prison after being convicted under the Matthew Shepard James Bird
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: Junior Hate Crime Prevention Act, making him the first person
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: ever prosecuted for a specifically transphobic attack.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: What would you say to Josh if you could talk
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: to him?
• 22:47
  Speaker 12: How dare you? How dare you take somebody out of
• 22:50
  Speaker 12: this world?
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: What gives you the rite?
• 22:59
  Speaker 14: Josh took Mercedes from us, but he didn't take the
• 23:05
  Speaker 14: happiness and Mercedes gave us.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: And the tragic case of Mercedes even touched hearts in Hollywood.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: During her emotional speech at the eSPI Awards, Caitlin Jenner
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: used Williamson's murder as an example of why the former
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: olympian decided to come forward in a hope to quote
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: do whatever I can to reshape the landscape of how
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: trans issues are viewed and how trans people are treated.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Coming up a high school student turned hit man, you
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: were willing to do that for Cheryl at the age
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: of sixteen, I was yeah. A Crime Watch Daily exclusive,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the trigger man in the Cheryl Cuccio story tells his
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: side of the murder for higher plot set rock Long Island.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Her father stepped out of the house.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: As he stepped towards me, I stepped out of the shadow.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: That's next.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: On yesterday's Crime Watch Daily, we brought you the story.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Of Cheryl Cucio when she was sixteen.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: She became infamous here in New York after she and
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: her boyfriend paid a high school classmate to kill her
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: abusive father. Well, today, the teen they hired, the former
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: boy scout turned contract killer, is telling his side of
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the story to me in an all new interview, and
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: before you judge his actions, you might want to.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Hear just what he has to say.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Cheryl Cuzio, she was once a scared teenager with a
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: terrifying secret that she has now revealed in shocking detail
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: to Crime Watch Daily.
• 24:34
  Speaker 14: He kind of just came up from behind me and
• 24:37
  Speaker 14: just pulled my shots down and had his pants down.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: You were eleven, I was eleven.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: All about the years of brutal sexual abuse she says
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: she suffered at the hands of her own father, Jim Pearson,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: and what she finally did to end at all.
• 24:55
  Speaker 17: I just said, who would be crazy enough to kill
• 24:58
  Speaker 17: somebody for money?
• 25:00
  Speaker 12: He said, I would.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Shawn Pica is that person who would read to take
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: out Cheryl's dad.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: She very specifically asked me to kill her father.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Once a scared kid himself, Pica says he was just
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: trying to help his friend Cheryl by doing her a
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: really big favor.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Her father stepped out of the house. As he stepped
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: towards me, I stepped out of the shadow, and there
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: was a moment of recognition.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: This is Sean Pica today, sitting down for an exclusive
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: new interview with Crimewatch Daily, giving his side of the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: story that Cheryl Cuccio told us yesterday.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: How did you meet Cheryl?
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Cheryl and I sat next to each other because our
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: last names both start with P for one hundred and
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: fifty million years from grade school lay up.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Back at high school in Long Island, New York. They
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: were too classmates who talked about everything under the sun
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: in home room, and then one day, he says, the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: talk turned to murder.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: There was a teacher at one of the local high
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: schools that had hired one of her students to kill
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: her husband, and that turned into a very private conversation
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: between only Cheryl and I where she said that she
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: wanted to kill her father.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: For Cheryl, it's the only way to end her nightmare.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Did she specifically say that her father was sexually.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: She she did, yes.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: And did she get into detail about this.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: No, I wasn't asking details.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: I mean the second that she told me that her
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: father was doing things that he shouldn't have I was
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: there with her.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I got it.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Did you believe her?
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: I did? Yeah, I still believe her.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: But Cheryl told us that she never explained to Sean
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: any of the dirty details about why she wanted her
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: father dad, and that he was willing to do it
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: for the money alone. Pica, on the other hand, tells
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: me he wanted to help end his friend's pain, but
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: now he was tortured.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: I continually danced with it in my head that I
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: knew that I was doing something very wrong, but I
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: was doing it for the right reason, and I was
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: helping a friend.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: He says. Cheryl agreed to pay him one thousand dollars
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: for the job, four hundred up front. What Sean says
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: he used to buy a gun from a friend.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Did you actually think he'd go through with this when
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: you took the foreigner bucks?
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, you were willing to do that for Cheryl
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: at the age of sixteen, I was.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Cheryl has taken a big step and contracting to kill
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: her dad, a single father who she says is not
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: only a harsh disciplinarian, but a monster who has raped
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: her repeatedly. But after nearly three months of talking about
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: pulling the trigger, Sean says he has an attack of conscience.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Sean is a one time boy scout and the son
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: of a former New York City cop. He's not the
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: kind of kid who would go around committee murder for friends.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: I met with her and told her I just can't
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: And the burden, I mean, I felt like a truck
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: had been lifted off my back.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: That's why what happens next defies the imagination unless you
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: can imagine being sixteen again and literally under the gun.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: I just felt like I had let her down and
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: that there was no one else that was going.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: To help her.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Next, Sean Pica makes the biggest mistake of his life.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: I had the gun already and I went to her house.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: And the ultimate impact on his life will stun you.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: I truly believe there's a lot of luck involved. I
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: think the stars were aligned.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: What started as an innocent conversation between high school classmates
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: had soon turned into a real life murder for hire
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: plot hatched in home room one thousand dollars for one
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: dead fire.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Today, the man holding the gun tells me what happened.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Next, sixteen year old Sean Pica is faced with the
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: most momentous decision of his young life, to kill or
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: not to kill.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: The conversation became very seriously, very quickly, and I wasn't
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: able to kind of share with anybody else or maybe
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: get some guys from anybody.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Else, he says. At first, his conscience won't allow him
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: to do what he first promised, murder the father of
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: his friend, Cheryl Pearson. Pika claims Cheryl told him her
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: father was molesting her, claim Gerald denies. Cuccio does admit
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: she told Pika she wanted her dad Dad and asked
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: him to do it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: I was just racked with guilt that I had let
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: a friend down.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Finally, Pica says, he can't take it anymore.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Tell me about that morning. What did you do?
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: I woke up that morning and I had the gun already,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: and I went to her house. I remember walking down
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: her street, gun in hand, just saying, well, if I
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: get stopped or if somebody sees me, then that's what happens.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: And I was just waiting for something to kind of
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: stop this from going in the direction it was going in.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: But I didn't stop.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: The former boy scout and son of a cop, A
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: scared sixteen year old kid walking down the street pre
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: dawn with a gun in his hand, but he could
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: be the most cold blooded hit man a lot. When
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: he sees Cheryl's father headed out of his house on
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: that dark morning in February.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: I stepped out of the shadow. No words were exchanged.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: He pulls the trigger five times, five times.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he said nothing, No, you said nothing, no, And
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: I just walked away and went home.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: All five bullets find their mark as he walked away.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Sean Pica knew his friend's father would never bother her again.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: I went there to kill him. It just seemed like
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to fail.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Pearson lies dead in his driveway, But Sean says he
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: didn't even let Cheryl know he was coming over that
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: morning to do the job. And when he goes back
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: to school, the hallways are buzzing with gossip, none of
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: it about him.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Everybody in our school was talking about Cheryl. The entire
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: school was already talking about they thought Cheryl killed her father.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: And here's the really strange part. Sean says he was
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: fully expecting to get caught for the crime.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: The idea that I might not get a wrestler, they
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: might not figure out who this was started to scare
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: me more than the fact of getting caught, because I
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: wasn't prepared to live with nobody knowing what I had
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: done and acting like nothing had happened.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: But as might be expected in a high school murder plot,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: the law catch us up with Seawan in a matter
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: of days. In the end, he pleads guilty to manslaughter
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: in a sentence twenty four years in prison, and now
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: he's scared all over again.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: It was just a huge, huge cell block with a
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: million people. I couldn't envision how I would possibly live
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: there for twenty four years.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: I literally thought my life was over.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: His old high school guidance counselor never had him pegged
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: for college material. But once behind bar, Sean says he
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: starts to get serious about his life and earns his ged.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: The officers were the ones that said, I don't know
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: if you know it, but there's.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: A pre college program here.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I gave it a shot, and during his sixteen years served,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: continuing through his release, he's earned a wall full of
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: diplomas for college and graduate studies and a master's in
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: social work, most of it thanks to the Hudson Link
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: for Higher Education in Prison, a program that helps inmates
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: get on their feet.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: How did you get involved in this program?
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: I think the easy answer is I shot and killed
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: a man.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: But now Sean advises the more traditional route, like stay
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: in high school and think twice before doing someone a favor.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Is it hard for you to look back at the
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: sixteen year old Shawn who killed Charl's dad.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: And I wouldn't recommend anybody to pick up a gun
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: in any way and think.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: They're going to help somebody else. It was a huge mistake.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: In some ways. Did you do society a favor.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: I would not go that far.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: I regret every day that I shot and killed her father,
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: not because it didn't help her, but because I will
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: see his face every single day.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: But through it all, Sean says he has not only
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: found hope and a new life through Hudson Link. Today
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: he's the program's executive director.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: I would love to stop talking about the single worst
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: mistake I haven't made in my life, but that's also
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: the same mistake that put me in a position to
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: become the person I am today, and I don't want
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: to forget where I came from.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: To see more of my interviews with the other players
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: in this story, Cheryl and Robcuccio, just go to Crimewatchdaily
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: dot com. Also, you can watch the full stories on
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: our Facebook page or YouTube channel. Still to come, ten bodies.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: A monster is still on the loose.
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: These girls did not deserve to.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Guy the very good Gude Crime Watch Daily with an
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: explosive update on the hunt of the Long Island serial killer.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: The new clues investigators could be closed to catching their.
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: God, but of course, alarm bells went off among US reporters.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: That's next.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Prime Watch Daily has been all over the hunt for
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: the mysterious Long Island serial killer who has murdered as
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: many as ten women near Gilgo Beach. For years, the nameless,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: faceless murder has been like a ghost, but an intriguing
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: new interview has people wondering if investigators are closer than
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: ever to catching their man.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Here's Michelle Sigona.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: It may be the most famous unsolved serial killer case
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: on the books today. A murder mystery Crime Watch Daily
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: has been following closely near Gilgo Beach, Long Island, were
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: at least ten bodies, mostly strangled young women found hidden
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: in the brush.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: These girls did not deserve to guard the lago board.
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: But now this bombshell development John diks doing it. Could
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: this Long Island man, recently convicted of two savage murders
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: be linked as some of the victims found on Gilgo Beach.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: At least one wawman is saying there's a chance.
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: All he said was that this could be the handiwork
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: of John bittrough The carpenter.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: John Bittroff has just been sentenced to two consecutive sentences
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: of twenty five years to live after being found guilty
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: in the murders of thirty one year old Rida Tangretti
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: and twenty year old Colleen mcnamie, their strangled bodies found
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: more than twenty years ago, not far from his home
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: in manner Long Island, where the fifty one year old
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: carpenter lives with his wife and two kids. The clinching
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: evidence DNA found on the victims matching Bitchrof. Our WPIX
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: affiliate reporter in New York, Mary Murphy, has spent years
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: covering this story.
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: They had both been beaten pretty badly, and they were
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: positioned in a certain way, so it was sort of
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: obvious that the same killer had killed both of them.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: And now a startling statement that may link Bitroff to the.
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: Strangled girls on Gilgo Beach.
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: Which is about forty miles from his house. Assistant Stuffolk
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: County DA Robert Bianca Villa made this statement to the
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: Associated Press quote, there are remains of the victims at
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: Gilgo that may be attributed to the handiwork mister bitchrof
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: and the investigation is continuing.
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: He didn't get specific at all, he didn't elaborate, but
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: of course alarm bells went off among US reporters.
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: That's because three years ago When Bittrof was first charged
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: in the Tan Gretti and Macname killings, Suffolk County DA
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: Tom Spoda said.
• 37:07
  Speaker 18: This, there is no evidentiary or investigative link between these
• 37:13
  Speaker 18: two murders and any of the Gilgo victims, So.
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: What happened to make them change their minds?
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: The DA's office hasn't said anything beyond their initial statement,
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: and Suffolk County Police aren't commenting, but it appears that
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: there is a gruesome connection between Bittrof's hometown of Manorville
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: and Gilgo Beach.
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: In two thousand, the torso of an unidentified woman was
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: found there in Manerville, Long Island. In two thousand and three,
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: the toroso of Jessica Taylor was found in Manerville, Long Island,
• 37:49
  Speaker 8: and it wasn't until years later that there were body
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: parts found in the Gilgo Beach area that were connected
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: to those two early victims.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: Crime Watch JELI has been following the case closely, and
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: we also followed this guy, doctor Peter Hackett, tagged by
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: Attorney John Ray as the man investigators should be looking at.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: Ray represented the family of Shannon Gilbert, whose remains were
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: found on Gilgo Beach in twenty eleven, just two days
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: after her disappearance. Shannon Gilbert's mother says doctor Hackett inserted himself.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: Into the middle of the mystery.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: I got a phone call.
• 38:27
  Speaker 17: He said, my name is doctor Peter Hackett, calling to
• 38:30
  Speaker 17: see if your daughter Shannon is there. I said, no, why,
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  Speaker 17: who are you? And he said that he ran a
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  Speaker 17: wayward house for girls. Shannon was there, she was upset.
• 38:41
  Speaker 17: He'd given her some medication and calm her down.
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: And Ray claims in a wrongful death suit that Hackett
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: was the last one to see Shannon alive and drugged
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: her the night she went missing.
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  Speaker 1: Did you run a home for wayward girls? Of course not.
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  Speaker 4: So you didn't have anything to do with Shanny Gilbert's death,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: of course not.
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  Speaker 6: When we tried to ask doctor Hackett about that, We've
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: got a reaction that stunned even our seasoned camera crew.
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  Speaker 1: You had nothing to do with Shannon Gilbert's step, That's correct.
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  Speaker 4: What about all the other girls.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Far up? What was that I defibrillator? No sor right now?
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I'm a doctor.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: Attorney Race still says Hackett is the man police should
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: be questioning.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Just take pictures of these clowns?
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: Would you even though he has never been named as
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: a suspect in the case.
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  Speaker 16: The Suffolk County Police apparently say he's not a suspect.
• 39:44
  Speaker 16: They say that he's an exaggerator, but he's otherwise harmless
• 39:49
  Speaker 16: from the facts that I have. That's dramatically untrue.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: Despite what Ray believes, cops are hopeful the carpenter could
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: be the final nail in the case on this that
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: for decades has haunted the families that the girls found
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: murdered at Gilgo Beach.
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  Speaker 8: There's also one other possibility here. Bitchrough may not be
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: the only killer. There's a possibility that more than one
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: killer used the desolate Ocean Parkway as a dumping ground.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Ben Traulf's attorney, Jonathan Manley says the statements about his
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: client being connected to the Gilgo Beach murderers is quote
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: reckless and baseless and laughable. He goes on to say,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I think the statements were made simply to sensationalize this
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: and garner a headline.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Criminals.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: You have a two seven main heroin at the Betamin
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: drug dealings.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: This is why heroin is such an epidemic in.
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: Scamper Did you claim to have cancer?
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  Speaker 2: Crime Watch Daily is on the caves, ye have anythink
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: of Say you're victims.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Remember we are watching