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Sharri | 25 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News Venus is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening retirees are tonight on edge as Labor hints
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Speaker 2: at plans for more wealth taxes. The details In a
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Speaker 2: moment ray Hadley will tonight lay into Bob Karr after
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Speaker 2: the former premiere pedaled an ugly stereotype about Jewish groups.
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Speaker 2: This as Hamas flags were flown on the streets of
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Speaker 2: Brisbane in a protest movement that's costing taxpayers millions of dollars.
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Speaker 2: That's according to leaked documents and the Australian National University
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Speaker 2: sax an academic after complaints from a pro China think tank.
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Speaker 2: Our exclusive a little later, but first tonight, there are
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Speaker 2: growing signs the Albaneze government is considering a suite of
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Speaker 2: new wealth taxes. Instead of curbing their record levels of spending,
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Speaker 2: the government is engaging in classic wealth redistribution Under Labor.
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Speaker 2: The nation is moving from a country of aspirational hard
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Speaker 2: workers to one of entitled welfare recipients who are told
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Speaker 2: they deserve constant handouts in every facet of life. The
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Speaker 2: government is entrenching now an ever expanding welfare class. This
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Speaker 2: is impossible to fund for perpetuity, and it's retirees and
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Speaker 2: middle income taxpayers who will foot the bill. One of
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Speaker 2: the first taxes could be on the spare bedroom in
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Speaker 2: your home. There's also a new road user charge for
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Speaker 2: electric vehicles, and there are calls for retirees to be
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Speaker 2: taxed even more heavily. Here was Treasurer Jim Chalmers pressed
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Speaker 2: on this on Insiders yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Does that mean some tax breaks for retirees will have
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Speaker 3: to go?
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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, we need to ensure collectively as
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Speaker 4: Australians that the fair go is the defining part of
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Speaker 4: our future and not just the defining part of our past.
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Speaker 4: But ultimately, decisions on any additional tax reforms will be
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Speaker 4: a matter for the Cabinet and for subsequent budgets.
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Speaker 2: So that's basically confirmation that the government will be considering
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Speaker 2: new taxes through the cabinet and the usual processes. Although
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Speaker 2: the Treasurer did rule out cutting back tax free superannuation
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Speaker 2: income in the retirement phase. Now you heard there he
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Speaker 2: spoke about a fair go. We'll raising taxes for retirees
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Speaker 2: who've carefully planned for their retirement. Is not exactly a
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Speaker 2: fair go. And then over on ABC Radio, Charmers was
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Speaker 2: asked whether he's planning any changes to family trusts or
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Speaker 2: to capital gains tax.
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Speaker 5: Is the treatment of family trusts in your sights, or
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Speaker 5: perhaps a reduction of capital gains means discounts. Can you
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Speaker 5: change the system without any of those measures on the
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Speaker 5: agenda that genuinely address the unfairness in the tax system.
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Speaker 4: We haven't changed our specific policies on those areas that
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Speaker 4: you identify, but what we have agreed with the Economic
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Speaker 4: Reform Roundtable is that any further steps that we take
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Speaker 4: the tax reform path, which would be a matter for Cabinet,
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Speaker 4: would be consistent with those three principles.
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Speaker 6: That I mentioned.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: None of this will increase GDP per capita, which is
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Speaker 2: the ultimate economic measure of well being. And as you know,
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Speaker 2: for most of the Alban Eazy government, Australia has been
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Speaker 2: in a per capita recession. The Australian's editorial put it
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Speaker 2: well on the weekend when it said that redistributing the
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Speaker 2: spoils is no substitute for growing the pie. Here's the
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Speaker 2: os leader. It said, policy designed to pillage the capital
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Speaker 2: and savings of older Australians to balance un sustainable government
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Speaker 2: spending will always be a road to nowhere. Government must
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Speaker 2: get its own budget affairs in order and seek a
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Speaker 2: mandate from electors for any changes to the tax mix
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Speaker 2: that it wants to make. And The Australian also asks
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Speaker 2: how deep will the Albanezy government's obvious attraction to what
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Speaker 2: Tom Ducivic describes as state paternalism and a cradle to
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Speaker 2: grave care economy be allowed to run. Wealth redistribution is
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Speaker 2: a classic labor technique and it's one that Charmers refer
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Speaker 2: to when he spoke of intergeneral. When he spoke of
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Speaker 2: the intergenerational lens on Thursday, I.
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Speaker 4: Think our tax system is imperfect and one of its
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Speaker 4: most troubling imperfections is best seen through an intergenerational lens.
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Speaker 4: And what I mean by that, and really almost everybody
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Speaker 4: around the table had a similar view, which is we
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Speaker 4: take our responsibilities to the coming generation seriously.
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Speaker 2: It's not just higher taxes, it's high immigration, which is
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Speaker 2: leading to extreme measures on the housing front. Over the weekend,
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales government announced there'd be a new
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Speaker 2: heavy rail station in Willara in Sydney's East. Ten thousand
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Speaker 2: homes will be built around it ten thousand. Now Federal
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Speaker 2: Minister Tanya plibasak back this in on Sunrise this morning.
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Speaker 7: You know, you have to make sure that every part
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Speaker 7: of our capital cities is actually contributing to those housing targets.
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Speaker 7: There's no free pass for some particular suburbs.
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Speaker 8: Willara, Well, I'm glad that Tanya is supporting twenty one
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Speaker 8: story apartments in the Inner West. I'm sure her constituents
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Speaker 8: would be happy to hear about the new shade they're.
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Speaker 6: About to get.
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Speaker 7: Have you seen green squad all over the place? Harry
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Speaker 7: turning all down the street without tripping over a high rise.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got.
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Speaker 7: Plenty of We've got plenty of Merriton, We've got plenty
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Speaker 7: of I can tell you all screen.
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Speaker 2: I mean, but Joyce's overall point in that interview was right.
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Speaker 2: Twenty story high rise buildings in quiet suburban areas will
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Speaker 2: be extremely out of character. But Joyce pointed out that
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Speaker 2: the bigger issue is immigration. Now. Albanezi publicly said over
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Speaker 2: and over again that he was planning to lower immigration,
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Speaker 2: yet this hasn't happened in any meaningful way.
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Speaker 8: Look, there's basically three things that can affect the price
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Speaker 8: of house. Number One that annoys people is people who
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Speaker 8: were born in Australia or been in Australia for a
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Speaker 8: long while being knocked out of the market by recent arrivals.
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Speaker 8: Immigration bringing people in hundreds of thousands of peoples when
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Speaker 8: the when the house is not built here just pushed
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Speaker 8: up the price house immigration Number one.
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Speaker 2: The Albanese government remains addicted to its Big Australia agenda
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Speaker 2: and to compensate the character of suburban areas will change
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Speaker 2: with new train stations and high rise buildings planned. And
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Speaker 2: the reason there's this dependency on high immigration is because
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Speaker 2: it's the only thing that kept Australia out of recession.
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Speaker 2: As many economists have pointed out, the.
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Speaker 6: Federal government loves immigration for two reasons.
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Speaker 9: First of all, it gives it the illusion of growth,
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Speaker 9: and that the illusion that the economy has avoided recession.
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Speaker 6: And you know when they work out gdp p happen.
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Speaker 10: Obviously they just divide gdpopley how many people in the country,
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Speaker 10: and if you've.
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Speaker 6: Got a lot more, it's going to shrink.
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Speaker 2: Before our very eyes. The nature of Australia is changing.
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Speaker 2: Higher immigration, higher taxes, higher density housing without any genuine
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Speaker 2: economic growth. And the roundtable from last week will be
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Speaker 2: used as a cover for a suite of new taxes
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Speaker 2: that take from well off retirees to give to young
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Speaker 2: people who've been conditioned by labor governments to rely on
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Speaker 2: handouts instead of hard work. Joining me now to discuss
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Speaker 2: this and more. Shadow Finance Minister James Patterson, Senator, thanks
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Speaker 2: for your time again. Now, are you concerned about this
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Speaker 2: government's apparent plans to hit retirees with higher taxes as
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Speaker 2: part of a wealth redistribution that's in the name of
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Speaker 2: intergenerational equity.
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Speaker 11: I'm very concerned about it, Shari, because for two reasons. One,
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Speaker 11: the government did not take to the last election higher taxes.
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Speaker 11: In fact, when they're asked if they planned increased taxes
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Speaker 11: after the election, they rubbish the idea and called a
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Speaker 11: Liberal Party scare campaign. That means I've got no mandate
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Speaker 11: for higher taxes. But secondly, I'm concerned about higher taxes
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Speaker 11: b because it won't be.
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Speaker 6: Good for Australia.
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Speaker 11: We have a productivity crisis in this country. Productivity went
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Speaker 11: back a decade on this government's watch, and business investment
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Speaker 11: in this country, which is one of the things that
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Speaker 11: increases our living standards, is at multi decade lows. Higher
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Speaker 11: taxes whether they are on retirees or companies or family
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Speaker 11: trusts or any other vehicle, is not going to solve
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Speaker 11: our productivity crisis or our business investment crisis.
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Speaker 6: It's going to make it even worse.
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Speaker 11: What we need is for this government to stop at
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Speaker 11: spreading spree, to bring spreading back down to sustainable levels,
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Speaker 11: because on this government's watch, spending as a proportion of
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Speaker 11: the economy will be the highest it has ever been
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Speaker 11: since nineteen eighty six, outside of the pandemic period. That
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Speaker 11: is utterly reckless and unsustainable, and it needs to be
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Speaker 11: hauled back in.
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Speaker 2: I mean, James, you're a politician, so you can analyze
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Speaker 2: the language of politicians better than any of us. Listening
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Speaker 2: to the Treasurer and the Prime Minister over the past
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Speaker 2: few days, there's no ruling out any taxes, you know,
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Speaker 2: that's not our current model. Will take any decisions to
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Speaker 2: cabinet go through the usual process. So in your mind,
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Speaker 2: is there any doubt that the signs are that we
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Speaker 2: are heading for more and higher taxes, particularly focused on retirees.
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Speaker 11: Well, I think the most interesting thing here, Shari is
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Speaker 11: that it's clear that the Prime Minister and the Treasurer
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Speaker 11: are not on the same page.
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Speaker 6: They are at odds.
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Speaker 11: They have differing levels of willingness to break their election
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Speaker 11: commitments to increase taxes. The Prime Minister has been more
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Speaker 11: categorical in his language. He's not completely ruled it out,
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Speaker 11: but he's made it pretty clear that he doesn't want
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Speaker 11: to increase taxes in this term of parliament. He only
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Speaker 11: wants to do what Labor took to the election. But
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Speaker 11: Jim Charmers is repeatedly leaving the door open, so much
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Speaker 11: so that the Prime Minister often has to go out
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Speaker 11: the next day after Jim Charmers to clean up his
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Speaker 11: mess and shut down the speculation that Charmers has allowed
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Speaker 11: to run free, particularly as he did through the Productivity
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Speaker 11: round Table process. And so there's a crash coming between
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Speaker 11: these two that's got to be resolved in some way.
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Speaker 11: Are they going to keep through their commitments and the
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Speaker 11: Australian people or they're going to break that commitment and
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Speaker 11: increase taxes. I fear Jim Chalmers is going to win
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Speaker 11: this debate, just as he won the debate with the
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Speaker 11: Prime Minister on the Stage three tax cuts, which was
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Speaker 11: another broken promise on tax from Labor in their first term.
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Speaker 2: Look we've heard that Labour is now expediting its five
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Speaker 2: percent home deposit scheme, so this is now going to
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Speaker 2: start from October. But even the Treasury's own modeling, and
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Speaker 2: you know this story was in The Australian today, it
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Speaker 2: predicts that this scheme will put up house prizes house
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Speaker 2: prices by half a percent over the next six years,
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Speaker 2: So this is just Treasury modeling. I mean it could
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Speaker 2: be higher than that. But the issue is if house
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Speaker 2: prices actually go up, well, that's going to make it
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Speaker 2: more difficult for young people to get into the market.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it could be going against the original aim
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Speaker 2: of this of having a five percent.
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Speaker 6: Deposit, So shary.
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Speaker 11: This scheme is actually originally a Morrison government initiative and
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Speaker 11: it's one of the few housing policies that's actually got
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Speaker 11: young people into housing. But there's a crucial difference to
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Speaker 11: the way in which the Morrison government implemented this and
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Speaker 11: what Labour now proposes to do, and that is that
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Speaker 11: the Morrison government had an income's test and a means test,
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Speaker 11: so it was the genuinely needy people who couldn't save
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Speaker 11: a deposit on their own who were able to buy
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Speaker 11: a house with as little as five percent deposit. The
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Speaker 11: Albanezer government recklessly plans to get rid of that means testing,
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Speaker 11: get rid of that income test, so that a millionaire
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Speaker 11: could get a loan from the government to borrow it
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Speaker 11: to buy a house on just five percent equity. Now,
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Speaker 11: that will drive up house prices, there's no question, because
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Speaker 11: it will bring even wealthier people into the market earlier
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Speaker 11: to buy homes than they otherwise would have because they
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Speaker 11: would have normally had to save that deposit them for themselves.
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Speaker 11: And these are people who are capable of in time
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Speaker 11: saving that deposit for themselves or getting a market solution
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Speaker 11: where they pay insurance to cover the difference between the
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Speaker 11: deposit they have and the deposit they need. So it's
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Speaker 11: particularly reckless both fiscally and in terms of the housing market.
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Speaker 2: Will drive up costs and there's going to be a
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Speaker 2: whole suite of unintended consequences as a result of driving
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Speaker 2: up costs. Now, I want to turn to this unbelievable
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Speaker 2: story that you first revealed, James. So Journalist Yanni Bishan
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Speaker 2: at The Australian has now been banned from Parliament House
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Speaker 2: for a full week, all because he reported that alban
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Speaker 2: Easy had gifted the Greens a brand new party room
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Speaker 2: at a cost of nearly nine hundred thousand dollars. Now,
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Speaker 2: Yonnie Bashan wrote this story in marg and Cole. He
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Speaker 2: ran a photograph of the newly renovated room and then
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Speaker 2: the Greens lodged a complaint with the Black Rod. Now, James,
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Speaker 2: as I said, you discovered the astounding amount of money
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Speaker 2: had been spent nine hundred thousand dollars, nearly nine hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars on a new party room for the Greens.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how is this appropriate expenditure taxpayer money? And
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Speaker 2: is this the Prime Minister trying to win over the
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Speaker 2: Greens who now hold the balance of power in the Senate.
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Speaker 11: We'll show if you want an insight into the spiraling
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Speaker 11: out of control construction costs in this country, this is
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Speaker 11: your perfect case study. This is a single room in
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Speaker 11: Parliament House which has been renovated by the Albanesi government
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Speaker 11: for the Greens at the cost of eight hundred and
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Speaker 11: eighty six thousand dollars. As you say, almost nine hundred
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Speaker 11: thousand dollars. You can build a luxury home, or you
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Speaker 11: should be able to build a luxury home for nine
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Speaker 11: hundred thousand dollars. In fact, you can build a perfectly
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Speaker 11: nice home for half that kind of money. So questions
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Speaker 11: really need to be asked here. Why did the Albanezi
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Speaker 11: government approve this luxurious, lavishly appointed party room for the
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Speaker 11: Greens and what did they get in exchange for that?
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Speaker 11: Because the Greens have been casting some curious votes in
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Speaker 11: the Senate in recent times. For example, they voted against
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Speaker 11: a parliamentary inquiry into the Albanza government's staffing cuts, something
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Speaker 11: they would have normally previously always supported. Is there a
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Speaker 11: quid pro quo here? Have they been bought off with
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Speaker 11: their lavishly appointed party room. No, but I think they
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Speaker 11: should face up and be honest about it.
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Speaker 2: And shocking as well that Yanni's been banned from Parliament
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Speaker 2: for a week just for reporting on this and for
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Speaker 2: taking a photograph of the party room. I mean, this
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Speaker 2: is taxpayer money. Taxpayers deserve to see what that party
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Speaker 2: room look like, that's for sure. Now, just before you go, James,
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the Middle East. Israel
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Speaker 2: is at the moment forging ahead with plans to take
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Speaker 2: over Gaza City in order to eliminate HARMUS troops are
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Speaker 2: now reportedly on the outskirts of the city.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: I spoke to Israeli Prime Minister Nedin Yahu about this
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Speaker 2: on Thursday night, and he rejected calls from the likes
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Speaker 2: of Australia for Israel to immediately withdraw from Gaza.
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Speaker 12: Have a look, it's like leaving the SS in Germany.
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Speaker 12: You know, you clear out most of Germany, but what
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Speaker 12: you leave out Berlin with the SS and the Nazi
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Speaker 12: core there, of.
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Speaker 1: Course not.
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Speaker 2: James your reaction to what he had to say.
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Speaker 11: Look, I think it's very unf fortunate that the government
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Speaker 11: of Israel believes that this is necessary. But I think
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Speaker 11: they believe it is necessary after careful consideration of the
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Speaker 11: choices that they face. It is not a choice to
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Speaker 11: allow the hostages to continue to languish in tunnels under
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Speaker 11: Gaza City. Hamas has taken the choice of negotiating off
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Speaker 11: the table with unreasonable demands that no self respecting democratic
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Speaker 11: country should ever agree to meet. It's very easy, fourteen
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Speaker 11: thousand kilometers away in our comfort and security of Australia
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Speaker 11: to judge the choices that Israel has to make. But
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Speaker 11: let's remember if we were in their shoes, if we're
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Speaker 11: in the same circumstances, and our fellow countrymen continued to
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Speaker 11: be held hostage for almost two years, up to twenty
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Speaker 11: five of them. We would want our government to do
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Speaker 11: everything it could to recover them.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and the conditions that they're being held in, they're emaciated,
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Speaker 2: they're dying. It's absolutely horrific. James, really appreciate your time.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Senator James Pattison. There now, we
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Speaker 2: saw on nation wide protests on the weekend, not just
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Speaker 2: Sydney and Melbourne, which were unfortunately used to but Canberra
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Speaker 2: and Brisbane too. Now Chris Kenny on his show earlier
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Speaker 2: tonight showed that even children at these protests were chanting
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Speaker 2: horrific phrases. And at the Brisbane Palestinian rally yesterday a
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Speaker 2: her Muss flag was reportedly flown a her Mus flag.
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Speaker 2: So Australians were supportering the murderous terrorists who killed babies, children,
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Speaker 2: parents and raped girls. I mean, it's incomprehensible that this
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Speaker 2: is taking place in Australia and our leaders aren't coming
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Speaker 2: out in the strongest possible way to condemn it. And
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Speaker 2: Albanize even claimed the harbor Bridge rally was peaceful. It wasn't.
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Speaker 2: There were terrorist slogans and banners flown, and he can't
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Speaker 2: pretend anymore that these are peaceful protests. The activists are
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Speaker 2: not calling for the release of the hostages, They are
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Speaker 2: not calling for her Must to be destroyed. These are
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Speaker 2: anti Israel protests, pure and simple. Now, thankfully police have
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Speaker 2: confirmed they're investigating the support for Hermas at the rally.
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Speaker 9: I can highlight that the use of flags such as
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Speaker 9: hamas in public displays such as today, we are aware
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Speaker 9: of that matter. That's a Commonwealth offense. It is being
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Speaker 9: investigated and we are taking that matter very very seriously.
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Speaker 9: As highlighted, We're keen to speak to that particular mile
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Speaker 9: and the investigation is very much alive this afternoon, just
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Speaker 9: like the New South I was.
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Speaker 2: Police are investigating the protesters and the Harbor Bridge who
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Speaker 2: displayed a Nazi swastika Warahamas symbol and yelled death chants.
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Speaker 2: Well to discuss, let's bring in our Monday panel former
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Speaker 2: Speaker of the House Brahman Bishop and Sky News host
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Speaker 2: Joe Hilda Brandt to you both, I mean, Joe, I'll
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Speaker 2: start with you, Bronwan. I just think it's very sad
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Speaker 2: to see how much support there is for designated terrorist
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Speaker 2: organizations in Australia.
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Speaker 13: Well Shoy, it's now not a surprise, and it's become
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Speaker 13: since the election when Albernasi has a very big back bench,
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Speaker 13: a lot of which are very hard left, that they're
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Speaker 13: prepared to be go harder and harder against Israel. And
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Speaker 13: I look at those people holding those flags and people
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Speaker 13: holding up the aatole. Those people would have been perfectly happy,
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Speaker 13: I think, in the streets of Berlin in the nineteen thirties,
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Speaker 13: because it's the same hatred. It's irrational, but it's hatred.
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Speaker 13: And when hatred takes over, reason leaves. And that's what
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Speaker 13: we're saying on our streets. And what appalls me is
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Speaker 13: that we've got a government that does nothing to stop it.
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Speaker 13: And it began, as we all know, when there was
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Speaker 13: nothing done by the Prime Minister taking a strong stand
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Speaker 13: about what happened at the Opera House on the eighth
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Speaker 13: of October in response to the massacre, which I think
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Speaker 13: if Israel has made a mistake in fighting back, no
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Speaker 13: matter how horrific those images were, and I think you've
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Speaker 13: seen them. I haven't, but I think we should all
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Speaker 13: have seen them. And every time they come out and
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Speaker 13: talk about what's happening. They should be shown again and
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Speaker 13: again because the evilness of what was done is being buried.
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Speaker 13: You've got people out there now saying, oh, it was
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Speaker 13: all a hoax. They really did it so they could
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Speaker 13: get in their body And it was Eisenhower who said
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Speaker 13: when he released the concentration camps, he said, photograph it. Now,
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Speaker 13: make sure there's evidence, because they will say it did
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Speaker 13: happened exactly.
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Speaker 2: Now, Joe, I understand everyone has a different view on
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Speaker 2: the war. People have a right to protest, but I
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Speaker 2: think our leaders need to come out more strongly and
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Speaker 2: say find you at a protest, but stop with the hatred,
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Speaker 2: the death chance, because this is dividing Australia. It's making
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Speaker 2: our country unsafe for Jews.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly, I think the government absolutely should be investigating
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Speaker 3: the police force.
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Speaker 6: The executive should be investigating.
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Speaker 2: That's getting the leaders and prosecuting.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's certainly how I mean. I mean, Chris
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Speaker 3: Min's tried to stop the protest from happening. His government
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Speaker 3: took them, the harb of Bridge protest from happening and
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Speaker 3: took them to court. There is growing discontent with the
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Speaker 3: amount that it's costing, but I think we need to
21:45
Speaker 3: separate what is absolutely despicable is I mean, you can
21:48
Speaker 3: have people out there protesting against Israel or in support
21:52
Speaker 3: of Palestine, and it is clearly more against Israel than
21:55
Speaker 3: in support of Palestine, because even after the government recognized
21:58
Speaker 3: Palestine said oh no, but that's not what we want anymore.
22:01
Speaker 6: We want sanctions.
22:02
Speaker 3: Against Israel and go harder against them. And then but
22:06
Speaker 3: even that is a different thing again to having pictures
22:09
Speaker 3: of Iola Kamani, who is responsible for the murder of
22:14
Speaker 3: thousands upon thousands of women gay people, carrying the flag
22:18
Speaker 3: of Hermas, which means that you are unequivocally endorsing murder, abduction, rape, torture.
22:25
Speaker 6: That is what you are supporting.
22:26
Speaker 3: That is that is that is where you are staking
22:29
Speaker 3: your political colors.
22:31
Speaker 2: So it shouldn't be up to us on Sky News
22:34
Speaker 2: to sit here and call this Prime minister. We should
22:37
Speaker 2: have the Home Affairs Minster Tony Burke come out and
22:40
Speaker 2: say these sort of things. But we don't hear that
22:42
Speaker 2: there's no leadership.
22:43
Speaker 3: Well, I think, well, we're lucky that we have been
22:45
Speaker 3: able to farman. You know, I wasn't aware of all
22:47
Speaker 3: these flags that were flying and tell the work that
22:49
Speaker 3: you and others have done and exposing them.
22:51
Speaker 6: So I would certainly expect that they should be condemning.
22:53
Speaker 2: That the police how to press and.
22:55
Speaker 14: The police they should.
22:57
Speaker 3: The police should be the police should be putting these
22:59
Speaker 3: people in jail. These are people who endorse ripe and
23:02
Speaker 3: murder and the abduction and tour don't yeh.
23:05
Speaker 2: I never seems to be any action. All right, Let's
23:08
Speaker 2: turn to the front and I'm going to come back
23:10
Speaker 2: by the way to this topic with Ray Hadley a
23:12
Speaker 2: bit later because he has some very strong views on
23:15
Speaker 2: it as well, and we'll go through just exactly how
23:17
Speaker 2: much it is costing tax phase. But let's turn to
23:20
Speaker 2: the front page of the Australian Today, story by Ben Packham.
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Speaker 2: The Taiwanese government is ramping up pressure on Australia, comparing
23:27
Speaker 2: Chinese President she Shi Jinping's ambitions to that of Hitler. Now,
23:33
Speaker 2: Taiwanese Deputy Foreign Minister gave a speech where he pointed
23:36
Speaker 2: to the fact that Taiwan supplies sixty percent of the
23:40
Speaker 2: world's computer chips, and he said that she wants to
23:44
Speaker 2: weaponize the Taiwanese chips capability to rule the world now Bronwin.
23:50
Speaker 2: Do you think this comes down to whether China does
23:53
Speaker 2: or doesn't intend to invade or reunify with Taiwan? What
23:57
Speaker 2: do you think? Do you think China does still in
24:00
Speaker 2: tent to take over Taiwan? You know there was a
24:03
Speaker 2: figure a date given of twenty twenty seven. Do you
24:06
Speaker 2: think that's still a possibility.
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Speaker 13: Yes, I do, But I think one of the things
24:10
Speaker 13: that may have changed his mind a bit would have
24:13
Speaker 13: been the bombing of the nuclear facilities in Tehran near
24:18
Speaker 13: Tehran by Trump, because he saw that that was action
24:24
Speaker 13: that he would have seen would not have come from
24:26
Speaker 13: a Biden administration or his successor. So I don't know
24:31
Speaker 13: why people don't take it seriously when he says twenty
24:33
Speaker 13: twenty seven.
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Speaker 14: The fact of the matter is that z.
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Speaker 13: Is pursuing a policy of setting up powerful basis all
24:44
Speaker 13: over the Pacific, not just building the islands, but taking
24:47
Speaker 13: over the various island states heretofore were very sympathetic to
24:52
Speaker 13: Taiwan then have been replaced by communists China.
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Speaker 14: So I think it is a worry.
24:57
Speaker 13: There is no doubt to my mind that the Communist
25:02
Speaker 13: Party of China believes that they should be the dominant
25:05
Speaker 13: power in the world, and.
25:07
Speaker 14: They will do whatever it takes to get there.
25:09
Speaker 13: And you can't convince me, for instance, but in all
25:12
Speaker 13: those windmills and all those solar panels and things that
25:15
Speaker 13: come here into Australia, and probably the new cars that
25:18
Speaker 13: are coming haven't got some sort of device in them.
25:21
Speaker 13: It can be activated sometime, either control our power supply
25:24
Speaker 13: or whatever. And you sound like I'm saying there's a conspiracy.
25:31
Speaker 14: It's not a conspiracy.
25:32
Speaker 13: It's a plan. And I think part of it is
25:35
Speaker 13: there was always the plan. China wanted to get rid
25:38
Speaker 13: of the dollar as the dominant currency. Trump was put
25:42
Speaker 13: an end.
25:42
Speaker 14: To that too.
25:43
Speaker 13: So having a strong person in the United States I
25:46
Speaker 13: think has made the plans for presidency more difficult. But
25:51
Speaker 13: I still think that that is his intention.
25:54
Speaker 2: And you know that, Joe. The point about China, the
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Speaker 2: fact that it could control six end of the world's
26:01
Speaker 2: computer chips, you know, if it does take the one,
26:04
Speaker 2: I mean that is a serious issue.
26:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's incredibly serious, and there's absolutely no doubt that
26:09
Speaker 3: China wants to and is planning to. It probably doesn't
26:13
Speaker 3: know exactly how just yet take back Taiwan.
26:15
Speaker 6: It is openly saying it.
26:17
Speaker 3: It's no secret, and they are so confident in being
26:21
Speaker 3: able to do it they are openly declaring it. It
26:24
Speaker 3: might look a bit different from a conventional kind of
26:27
Speaker 3: regional armed invasion. They'll probably might stage a coup, a
26:33
Speaker 3: fake coup, or a fake people's revolution where suddenly all
26:36
Speaker 3: the Taiwanese secretly want to be part of mainland China.
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Speaker 6: But whatever it is, it's terrifying.
26:40
Speaker 3: The good news is the fact that Taiwan has all
26:43
Speaker 3: these chips is the reason why the US will defend it.
26:47
Speaker 3: The US has obviously, like much of the world does,
26:49
Speaker 3: has ambiguous language around it.
26:51
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, I'm not as certain that the US who
26:53
Speaker 2: are defended.
26:54
Speaker 6: I think it's still an.
26:55
Speaker 3: Open I think they will, and I think that what
26:57
Speaker 3: the Chinese are looking at much more than what did
27:00
Speaker 3: in Iran is where Trump lands in Russia versus Ukraine.
27:03
Speaker 3: You have an almost identical situation where you have a
27:06
Speaker 3: much larger power claiming that a smaller nation is in
27:10
Speaker 3: fact part of it and is prepared to invade it.
27:13
Speaker 6: And again you had in Ukraine.
27:15
Speaker 3: Critical minerals and rare earth that Trump finds very valuable.
27:19
Speaker 3: That seemed to be the key to the US coming
27:21
Speaker 3: in to defend Ukraine. That is something that Trump talks
27:24
Speaker 3: about an awful lot. As they say, always back self interest.
27:27
Speaker 3: It's the only horse you know that's really trying. So
27:29
Speaker 3: I think the fact that Taiwan is holding these chips
27:32
Speaker 3: means that it is many ways holding metaphorical chips as well.
27:35
Speaker 13: So yeah, well except the United States with the teriff
27:39
Speaker 13: policies trying to bring that technology right back to America
27:42
Speaker 13: and manufacture those chips in America, and that is beginning
27:46
Speaker 13: to happen. The other thing that worries me about the
27:48
Speaker 13: whole Taiwanese scenario and whether or not we go in
27:53
Speaker 13: and defend is what if he decides he will just
27:57
Speaker 13: put it off until Trump's no longer there, and then
28:00
Speaker 13: maybe there's some interference and he helps he gets a
28:02
Speaker 13: week leader exactly.
28:04
Speaker 2: And it's not just the Democrats that we'd be worried about,
28:07
Speaker 2: but it's also the isolationis style of the Republican Party,
28:09
Speaker 2: who you know, who have this attitude that they don't
28:12
Speaker 2: want to get involved in foreign war. So I think
28:13
Speaker 2: that is a very worrying possibility. Bromwen. Okay, one quick
28:18
Speaker 2: topic before we go. The Queensland NP has now voted
28:22
Speaker 2: over the weekend to scrap net zero and this follows
28:25
Speaker 2: both the South Australian and WA branches. Bunnaby Joyce is
28:29
Speaker 2: now also saying he's going to bring forward debate on
28:32
Speaker 2: repealing climate laws now Brown clearly there is a City
28:38
Speaker 2: Bush divide on this. The Liberal Party still doesn't have
28:42
Speaker 2: a policy.
28:43
Speaker 14: Unbelievable. If there's one thing they could learn from Trump.
28:47
Speaker 13: Straight after he lost the election, he went right back
28:50
Speaker 13: to campaigning every day, every night until the next election.
28:54
Speaker 14: You cannot take.
28:55
Speaker 13: Time off and say we're going to have nice cups
28:57
Speaker 13: of tea and then think you can whizz in with
29:00
Speaker 13: us with.
29:01
Speaker 14: A total policy.
29:03
Speaker 13: Me I've always believed we should be out of the
29:06
Speaker 13: Paris Agreement, we should not be paying attention to net
29:09
Speaker 13: zero and our policies up until Morrison was precisely that.
29:14
Speaker 13: At every turn we said no, we're using our resources here.
29:18
Speaker 13: It was only when Morrison gave in and went to Glasgow,
29:21
Speaker 13: which he didn't have to do, but he caved into
29:24
Speaker 13: thirteen moderates in the party who were making demands and
29:27
Speaker 13: most of them have gone now.
29:29
Speaker 14: But that is how we got into this mess.
29:32
Speaker 13: But there has to be a resolution in favor of
29:36
Speaker 13: what the country is best served by, and that is
29:39
Speaker 13: by having a mixture of fossil fuels, which are still
29:43
Speaker 13: our dominant source of supply, kept on stream and looked
29:48
Speaker 13: after and maintained properly so that we can in fact
29:51
Speaker 13: have power for the nation and not destroy the farms
29:54
Speaker 13: and the livelihood of so.
29:56
Speaker 14: Many people who live in the countryside.
29:58
Speaker 2: Joe, you wrote in your column in the Daily Telegraph
30:01
Speaker 2: today about the fact that the Liberals are having this
30:03
Speaker 2: identity crisis. Quite a funny column. But I think bron
30:07
Speaker 2: was right. And you know, we've heard from John Howard.
30:09
Speaker 2: He gave some comments to Paul Kelly a couple of
30:12
Speaker 2: weeks ago where he said that the Liberals can't take
30:17
Speaker 2: a year to come up with an energy policy. They
30:19
Speaker 2: need to be out there immediately now campaigning.
30:22
Speaker 12: Yeah.
30:22
Speaker 3: Well, there's an old saying in business and indeed in
30:25
Speaker 3: politics that any decision is better than no decision. But
30:28
Speaker 3: the problem for the Liberals is that this is absolutely
30:32
Speaker 3: crippling them and pretty much any decision they land on
30:34
Speaker 3: will immediately spark a civil war the people in Regionals.
30:39
Speaker 14: Soon I'm in the party, it won't.
30:41
Speaker 6: You don't think.
30:42
Speaker 3: You don't think if they bannoned it zero that the
30:44
Speaker 3: new South Wales moderates will come out And I.
30:46
Speaker 14: Would still like to make them money roll it over.
30:49
Speaker 14: How they don't.
30:51
Speaker 6: I'll ask Matt Ken what he thinks about that, But
30:54
Speaker 6: well he's now.
30:54
Speaker 2: Working for the Albany he's better not even in That's right.
30:58
Speaker 3: And the problem is, you know, electorally, how does it work.
31:01
Speaker 3: There is a city country divide. The country is bearing
31:04
Speaker 3: the brunt of the impact of these projects, whether it's
31:07
Speaker 3: you know, you know, fossil fuel jobs going in the regions,
31:11
Speaker 3: whether it's the farmers who have to cop the network's
31:14
Speaker 3: transmission lines on their properties and.
31:15
Speaker 14: The follow ups.
31:17
Speaker 2: Politically, the Liberals needing to win back the TiAl.
31:20
Speaker 3: Seats so that you simply there is no way you
31:23
Speaker 3: can do both of those things.
31:25
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. So it's a really difficult.
31:28
Speaker 13: Sorry, let me tell you what the TiAl seats. I
31:29
Speaker 13: live in one. It was my seat for twenty two years.
31:33
Speaker 13: You know, the people we've lost, we've lost the over
31:36
Speaker 13: sixty fives because the Teals went around and chose women
31:40
Speaker 13: of a particular age and a particular education. They think
31:43
Speaker 13: of nice's daughters and so on. They're the people who
31:47
Speaker 13: said to me on the polling booth, so I was
31:48
Speaker 13: hanging out. We used to vote for you, but now
31:51
Speaker 13: we vote for her. And there back, and that's where
31:55
Speaker 13: the argument about this wealth transfer, where he wants to
31:59
Speaker 13: set up mothers and fathers against.
32:01
Speaker 2: Their own problem.
32:03
Speaker 14: All right, it's a dreadful disaster.
32:05
Speaker 2: Indeed, we've got to go Brahm and Bishop to see
32:07
Speaker 2: you now. Still to come. An A and U academic
32:11
Speaker 2: sacked after raising concerns over Chinese influence. That exclusive story
32:16
Speaker 2: a little later, but first Ray Hadley will rip into
32:19
Speaker 2: Bob Carr's hideous anti Israel comments. You'll be here Ray
32:23
Speaker 2: Hadley on the desk next. Welcome back and joining me
32:29
Speaker 2: now as always on a Monday's radio legend, Ray Hadley,
32:32
Speaker 2: Great to.
32:33
Speaker 15: See you again, sharing us to be with your congratulations
32:35
Speaker 15: by the way, on your scoop with the Israeli Prime minister.
32:38
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
32:39
Speaker 14: I appreciate many many.
32:40
Speaker 15: People said to me after the interview, how did that
32:42
Speaker 15: young woman get that blag? And I said, well, she
32:45
Speaker 15: probably asked for an interview, and.
32:47
Speaker 2: He responded, asked about a thousand times.
32:50
Speaker 1: Them. Well done, Well done, thank you so much.
32:53
Speaker 14: I appreciate it.
32:54
Speaker 2: Now former New South I was Premier and former Foreign
32:57
Speaker 2: Minister Bob Carr has made some outrageous comments. He's pushing
33:01
Speaker 2: the stereot the stereotypical trap of Jewish influence in our country.
33:06
Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 16: The Israel Jewish Lobby in Australia is a foreign influence operation.
33:11
Speaker 16: It's designed to put the interests of Israel above the
33:15
Speaker 16: interests of Australia and foreign policy. No one else has
33:18
Speaker 16: an operation as well funded. No other country has an
33:21
Speaker 16: operation with officers in every Australian capital city. No one
33:25
Speaker 16: else organizes donations to attempt to elevate its influence in
33:30
Speaker 16: the way the Jewish lobby does in Australia.
33:33
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is really dangerous ray because
33:36
Speaker 2: you know, I even hate the term Jewish lobby. The
33:39
Speaker 2: Jewish organizations represent the interests of Australian Jews.
33:44
Speaker 6: Look.
33:44
Speaker 15: I used to have some wonderful battles with mister Carr
33:47
Speaker 15: when he was Premiery of Year South Wales. I think
33:50
Speaker 15: at best I can call him delusional over this. Now
33:53
Speaker 15: let's leave the Jewish debate aside, because they're going to
33:56
Speaker 15: convince him otherwise. But he talks about foreign in fluence.
34:01
Speaker 15: He's been a cheerleader for China since every left politics
34:05
Speaker 15: and before now. We've had recent events where people are
34:08
Speaker 15: being arrested in Austratia for spying on religious organizations that
34:13
Speaker 15: originally came from China, and yet he hasn't marched on
34:17
Speaker 15: the bridge about the human rights in China. They kill
34:20
Speaker 15: more people via execution in a year than the rest
34:23
Speaker 15: of the world combined. The Wigas are treated dreadfully. People
34:29
Speaker 15: are incarcerated without trial, and the judges are told that
34:34
Speaker 15: they've got to follow the company line. In other words,
34:37
Speaker 15: we put them before you, they've got to be found guilty.
34:39
Speaker 1: So the credibility of Bob Carr on this.
34:41
Speaker 15: Matter in relation to the Jewish lobby, they're there for
34:44
Speaker 15: all to sea. The Jewish Board of Deputies of various
34:47
Speaker 15: organizations are there, and they're loud and proud about it.
34:50
Speaker 1: They're not spying.
34:51
Speaker 15: They're not here doing the work of the communist Chinese
34:55
Speaker 15: government like the Chinese spies.
34:57
Speaker 1: Are, who you never hear a word you will say.
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Speaker 15: There was a defamation case with Winston Peter's a number
35:03
Speaker 15: of years ago in New Zealand. He said, oh, I'm
35:05
Speaker 15: always tough on the Chinese pig's backside. He's an apologist
35:10
Speaker 15: for the Chinese. It's a bloody disgrace, Shari, a disgrace
35:13
Speaker 15: that he should be talking in that manner and talking
35:15
Speaker 15: on YouTube to some Palestinian talk fest.
35:19
Speaker 2: I agree with you, the hypocrisy is staggering. Just to
35:22
Speaker 2: be abundantly cleared, we don't want any legal issues. You
35:25
Speaker 2: were not suggesting at all that Bob Carr was in
35:28
Speaker 2: any way involved in foreign influence or spying. You were
35:30
Speaker 2: just saying he doesn't call out those and that's the
35:33
Speaker 2: hypocrisy of this.
35:35
Speaker 15: Well, and the other thing is we would never ever
35:37
Speaker 15: describe someone as prominent as mister as an anti Semite.
35:42
Speaker 1: I mean no, we don't say that.
35:44
Speaker 15: What they now say, these labor politicians, he's no longer
35:47
Speaker 15: a labor politician.
35:48
Speaker 1: What they say is they're anti Israel.
35:50
Speaker 2: Anti Israel exactly, and he is anti Israel indeed. Now
35:54
Speaker 2: I spoke earlier in the show about the pro Palestinian
35:57
Speaker 2: protests on the weekend. Well the got hold of this
36:00
Speaker 2: confidential briefing by New South Wales police and it showed
36:04
Speaker 2: that more than eleven million dollars has been spent on
36:09
Speaker 2: the protest. That's just the New South Wales alone since
36:12
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, one million dollars for the Harbor Bridge protest.
36:16
Speaker 2: I mean, ray, this is enough, isn't it. Why should
36:20
Speaker 2: taxpayers be paying for these protests that are dividing our country.
36:26
Speaker 15: Well, if you go away sporting event this weekend or
36:29
Speaker 15: any event.
36:30
Speaker 1: But if you go to a large sporting event and.
36:32
Speaker 15: Then RL game for instance, or an AFL game, and
36:34
Speaker 15: they require further officers to be on gindy because they
36:37
Speaker 15: have a warning there may be someone playing up. It's
36:40
Speaker 15: called user pays, so the sport has to pay for
36:43
Speaker 15: the extra officer to be on call. Now, thousands of
36:46
Speaker 15: officers were called to the Sydney Harbor Bridge from all
36:48
Speaker 15: parts of the state and all parts of the city
36:50
Speaker 15: to control the crowd. Eleven million dollars over that period
36:55
Speaker 15: of time. No one's asked the Palestinian protesters or those
36:58
Speaker 15: who organize it up up the money for the extra coppers.
37:01
Speaker 1: They should, of course they should.
37:03
Speaker 15: And I saw a thing earlier in Andrew's program where
37:08
Speaker 15: the only arrest, and I think it was in Brisbane,
37:11
Speaker 15: correct me if I'm wrong, was for a bloke waving
37:13
Speaker 15: an Australian flag and saying this is not right, you know,
37:17
Speaker 15: protesting against the Palestinian March, probably you know, on the
37:20
Speaker 15: bridge there in Queensland in Brisbane.
37:23
Speaker 1: And yet he's carted away by the Queensland Police. The
37:26
Speaker 1: bloke with a mass flag.
37:28
Speaker 15: Now, as you said, you're program now they're chasing him.
37:31
Speaker 15: It's the age old story with New South Wales and
37:33
Speaker 15: Queensland police. I'm not talking about the rank and file,
37:35
Speaker 15: it's their bosses. They see these things happening and then
37:39
Speaker 15: they say we're investigating, we're going to find this person. Well,
37:42
Speaker 15: you had him, it was standing there in front of you.
37:44
Speaker 2: It's obviously the direction not to touch them on the day.
37:47
Speaker 2: I mean much, it's going to be no. I saw
37:50
Speaker 2: on the Daily Telegraph today you had a lot to
37:52
Speaker 2: say about this housing plan. This is Chris Min's New
37:55
Speaker 2: South I was premier. Said he's going to put a
37:57
Speaker 2: heavy rail station in Mallara, not far off Edgecliff station.
38:00
Speaker 2: I don't know the exact distance. I actually drove past
38:03
Speaker 2: the site today in Willara and it's there are no
38:07
Speaker 2: high rise buildings anywhere near it. It's all residential or
38:12
Speaker 2: houses or small apartment buildings, so this will be completely
38:16
Speaker 2: out of character. And there's already a train station at Edgecliff.
38:18
Speaker 6: Well.
38:19
Speaker 15: Look, the Premier, Chris Mens, has had three shots of this.
38:24
Speaker 1: He wanted rose Hill Racecourse, which is the obvious place.
38:27
Speaker 15: It's in the center of Sydney, just east of Paramatta,
38:30
Speaker 15: and the members vaded against it. A few thousand members
38:33
Speaker 15: vaded against it. He could use specific legislation to acquire
38:36
Speaker 15: it legally if he had the bottle to do it.
38:39
Speaker 15: So that was knocked on the head. So all of
38:40
Speaker 15: a sudden he said, I won't touch rose Hill. So
38:42
Speaker 15: the next point of contact is Gleebel and Port. Now
38:46
Speaker 15: Glueblin Port is on the foreshores of Sydney Harbor. It's
38:49
Speaker 15: a very important port strategically for defense and for other things.
38:54
Speaker 15: So all of a sudden they dropped off that. But
38:55
Speaker 15: the point about both it and Willara. He talks about
38:58
Speaker 15: aspirational Australians and he wants young people to have a
39:01
Speaker 15: future to buy in Sydney. Does anyone really believe that
39:05
Speaker 15: a young person just married can afford an apartment at
39:10
Speaker 15: Gleebe Island overlooking the Harbor Bridge.
39:12
Speaker 1: They started about three and a half to.
39:13
Speaker 15: Four million, and I'm told in Wallara the people in
39:17
Speaker 15: the eight hundred meter radius from the revised station, their
39:22
Speaker 15: property values will travel. I think in Raised Bay the
39:24
Speaker 15: house prices when in one area from six million to
39:27
Speaker 15: fifteen million. And then the apartments that will be in Wallara,
39:31
Speaker 15: if it happens, the cost will be four five six million.
39:34
Speaker 15: They won't be selling them to young Australians, it will
39:37
Speaker 15: be wealthy Australians.
39:39
Speaker 1: And international bias exactly. I said today, it's a pine
39:42
Speaker 1: in the sky.
39:43
Speaker 15: It's ten thousand apartments in Wallara and they're doing it
39:48
Speaker 15: on the north shore as well, along the main rail
39:51
Speaker 15: Northern line there where they're knocking over beautiful Federation homes
39:55
Speaker 15: to build these apartment blocks. Look, we're a very big
39:58
Speaker 15: state and we're bound on the east coast by the sea. Chris,
40:03
Speaker 15: there's plenty of land in the southwest and the Northwest
40:07
Speaker 15: if you wish to give them the infrastructure and then
40:10
Speaker 15: they can buy a home not for four or five million.
40:12
Speaker 15: They can actually buy a home for under one and
40:14
Speaker 15: a half million.
40:16
Speaker 2: But also the federal government has of course we're out
40:17
Speaker 2: of time. The federal government has given this problem to
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Speaker 2: New South Wales because of the high immigration rate, and
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Speaker 2: now there's this the housing crisis is exacerbated. So I
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Speaker 2: mean it's a mess at both levels. Y, I talked
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Speaker 2: too much.
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Speaker 1: We always run out of a time.
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Speaker 2: No, it is so great to have I love you
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Speaker 2: coming on the show. Thank you so much. Whereize it?
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Speaker 1: You see all the best.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you next Monday. All right, still to come.
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Speaker 2: And academic sacked after raising concerns publicly about foreign interference.
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Speaker 2: That exclusive coming up, and Camilla and Mark on the
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Speaker 2: verge of helping a scientific breakthrough. Mark Freeman will be
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Speaker 2: here after this quick break. Welcome back.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: The fashion designers behind the world famous label Camilla and
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Speaker 2: Mark launched a powerful campaign in twenty twenty to help
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Speaker 2: find research into ovarian cancer. Five years on, they've never
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Speaker 2: been closer to realizing their goal. They're hoping to have
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Speaker 2: clinical trials for the world's first DNA test for early
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Speaker 2: detection of avarian cancer by next year, and Mark Freeman
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Speaker 2: joins me. Now, Mark, great to see you again. So
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Speaker 2: this DNA test sounds absolutely incredible and it's true you
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Speaker 2: could have it by twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 17: Look, the scientists are telling us that, you know, they've
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Speaker 17: done some groundbreaking research. They've found these biomarkers. They're in
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Speaker 17: the process of multiplexing them to put them into a test,
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Speaker 17: and that would be a simple blood test that you
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Speaker 17: would get your GPA that would help detect ovarian cancer early,
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Speaker 17: which would mean that we could drastically improve life expectancies
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Speaker 17: for women.
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Speaker 2: Because when you look at the figures, and I was
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Speaker 2: quite shocked when I read this today that the number
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Speaker 2: of people diagnosed with ovarian cancer is actually increasing, and
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Speaker 2: that it's projected to rise by more than fifty five
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Speaker 2: percent in twenty fifty. So why is it so difficult to.
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Speaker 17: Detect so ovarian cancer? Ovaryes are very deep in the body,
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Speaker 17: so it's inherently more complicated to find, and the symptoms
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Speaker 17: are generally quite vague, and this is really the crux
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Speaker 17: of the problem and why we need a test for
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Speaker 17: prevention and early detection.
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Speaker 2: So and what are the symptoms that you know, women
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Speaker 2: who are watching should look out for.
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Speaker 17: So they're unfortunately very vague and very similar to the
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Speaker 17: menstrual cycle that women go through every month, things like
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Speaker 17: bloating and so forth. But I think one of the
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Speaker 17: important messages with this campaign is that women need to
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Speaker 17: seek out medical advice if they don't feel we feel
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Speaker 17: quite right, and to trust themselves.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's such an incredible campaign because you're actually
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Speaker 2: making a difference. You've already raised two point two million
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Speaker 2: dollars over the past five years. And this all started,
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Speaker 2: if you don't mind talking about it, because of your
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Speaker 2: own very heartbreaking story that you and Camilla went through
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Speaker 2: when you were younger.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 17: So our mum unfortunately passed away over vary encounter over
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Speaker 17: thirty years ago when I was thirteen and Camilla was eleven,
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Speaker 17: and unfortunately the statistics have barely changed in all of
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Speaker 17: that time. So we thought it was important for us
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Speaker 17: to take it upon ourselves to use our platform and
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Speaker 17: speak to our community and raise awareness for this insidious,
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Speaker 17: deadly killer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so important, so very quickly. What can people
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Speaker 2: do to support?
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Speaker 17: So you can buy the merchandise from one of our
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Speaker 17: stores nationally or online at camillamark dot com. And if
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Speaker 17: you don't want to buy merchandise, you can also donate
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Speaker 17: directly and all funds go directly to you and sw
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Speaker 17: for medical research.
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Speaker 2: Amazing, all right, Mark, great to see you, thanks all right.
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Speaker 2: Academic Robert Potter raised concerns of foreign interference while at
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Speaker 2: A and U and their response to the claims will
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Speaker 2: shock you. That's next. An Australian National University academic has
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Speaker 2: been sacked after a complaint from a pro China think tank.
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Speaker 2: Cybersecurity expert Robert Potter has been a visiting fellow at
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Speaker 2: a and U for about a year, but his association
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Speaker 2: with the university was terminated after he raised concerns about
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Speaker 2: foreign influence. Like the post you can see now on screen.
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Speaker 2: Robert Potter has on numerous occasions raised concerns about the
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Speaker 2: Australia China Relations Institute ACRI, and in response to the criticism,
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Speaker 2: the director of the institute sent emails to a and
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Speaker 2: U calling for his removal. In one email leaked to
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Speaker 2: The Daily Mail, Laurencesen said, I was surprised not to
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Speaker 2: receive a response given mister Potter's behavior and had hoped
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Speaker 2: for this to be resolved at a center level. If
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Speaker 2: this is not possible, I will pursue other avenues. Now
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Speaker 2: I should point out that Professor Laurenceesssen's salary comes from
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Speaker 2: UTS and he hasn't engaged in any acts of foreign
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Speaker 2: influence whatsoever. Rather that these are calls for our cree
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Speaker 2: to be more transparent about its funding arrangements. However, it
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Speaker 2: seems that A and U acquiesced with Robert Potter's visiting
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Speaker 2: fellow status terminated. He received an email saying, as a
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Speaker 2: consequence of Laurence of Lauren Sessen's emails being published in
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Speaker 2: the Daily Mail, I need to have confidence in our
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Speaker 2: honorary appointees that they can act appropriately and not in
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Speaker 2: a manner that brings adverse attention and criticism to our center,
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Speaker 2: and Robert Potter joins me. Now, Now, Robert, you've said
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Speaker 2: in your response to A and U that this is
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Speaker 2: a free speech issue. Can you tell us why you
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Speaker 2: think that?
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Speaker 10: So I was surprised to find out that ACRI had
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Speaker 10: been running this campaign at all. So I was actually
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Speaker 10: living in Ukraine at the time doing research, and I
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Speaker 10: only found out much later that every month he'd been
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Speaker 10: sending these emails to the Center trying to get me terminated.
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Speaker 10: My concern is that way too much of these debates
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Speaker 10: in Australia happened in the shadows.
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Speaker 18: Too much of what they try and do is done in.
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Speaker 10: Secret, and you can see the lengths that they'll go
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Speaker 10: well they'll threaten the center with legal action or other
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Speaker 10: options if they don't acquiesce and terminate someone for criticizing them.
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Speaker 10: So my view is that this is a matter of
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Speaker 10: public scrutiny. It always has been ACRI has in my
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Speaker 10: view and not necessarily in the view of A and you.
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Speaker 10: They don't have to share my view, but it's my
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Speaker 10: view that ACRI taking money from two state owned enterprises
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Speaker 10: of China is something that when they publish they should
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Speaker 10: tell their audience about.
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Speaker 18: It's something that they.
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Speaker 10: Should register, potentially under the Foreign Influence Transparency Scheme, and
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Speaker 10: they've never done it. And I've exercised my professional judgment
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Speaker 10: as an expert in national security and made public comment
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Speaker 10: to that effect, and instead of responding to me in
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Speaker 10: a public debate, they've tried to have me fired in
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Speaker 10: the shadows.
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Speaker 18: I think that's outrageous.
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Speaker 10: I don't think that's how we should have a debate
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Speaker 10: in Australia, and I don't think that's the standard of
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Speaker 10: public credibility that we want our universities living up to.
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Speaker 10: I expect more bravery from the institution that I was
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Speaker 10: affiliated with. I was disappointed to not receive their fullth
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Speaker 10: roaded public support for what was a completely true statement
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Speaker 10: made in a public domain. I was surprised they didn't
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Speaker 10: immediately defend me. And the way this has played out
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Speaker 10: has disappointed me because while I've been getting bombed over there,
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Speaker 10: he's been trying to get me fired over here, and
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Speaker 10: so he wants to have the debate in a different avenue.
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Speaker 18: Well, this is the avenue will take.
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Speaker 10: I spoke up these days went after Anne Marie Brady, right,
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Speaker 10: and so I spoke up when they went after Vicky
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Speaker 10: shut I spoke up when they went after Drew Pavlou.
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Speaker 10: This is a pattern of behavior of intimidation. And I'm
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Speaker 10: not so worried about what happens to me. I've still
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Speaker 10: got my day job. I'm more worried about the young
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Speaker 10: junior researcher who's just starting their career, or the person
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Speaker 10: at DFAT who's getting these intimidating emails center them for
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Speaker 10: their public commentary. And since that story went out in
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Speaker 10: the Daily Mail, six different people have contacted me telling
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Speaker 10: me he's done the same thing to them.
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Speaker 18: They just don't have no power to fight back.
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Speaker 2: We're out of time. But Robert I agree. It's extremely
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Speaker 2: worrying and Others who might have considered, you know, speaking
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Speaker 2: about this area will be less likely to thank you
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Speaker 2: for your time. I'll see you at tomorrow at eight.
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Speaker 2: And here's for Marie