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- Jaba: Hello Jheremy: D- Jaba: everybody and welcome back to the Scout and the Speculator Podcast. This is Will Jarvis, also known as Jabba Cards, joined by my co host Jeremy Brown of Perfect Game Baseball, more importantly Jheremy: You Jaba: known as JGB underscore cards underscore. And today we have a very special guest for ya. We got the man himself, Big Bob's Cards. What is it? It's at prospect analytics. What's your Twitter handle? Is it just Prospect Analytics? Bob: at my Twitter handle is at at at Big Bob's Cards. Jaba: At Big Bob's cards. Yeah, so if you're if you're watching with video, I wanted to fit in with the team here. Got a nice little red beard mask off of Amazon. Bob: Looks good. Jaba: pretty pretty pretty pleased with it. I was worried it wasn't gonna come in time. And I was like, well, we're gonna have to get Bob another day. But now we Jheremy: haha Bob: Yeah. Jaba: got the trio fully locked in here. So Bob, you are the creator, host, inventor. whatever you'd like to call it of Bowmania, the first annual Bowmania coming up this March. let's hear about it. 'Cause I think a lot of people are very excited about it. I'm excited for it. Jeremy and I are both gone. just tell us kind of where this idea came from, what it is, and yeah. Bob: Yeah, pretty much all came from the national. I'm I went to the national this year for the first time. I'm actually not a card show guy, surprisingly. I don't go to card shows. I can count on one hand the amount of card shows I've been to in my whole life. but I figured that, you know, like the national, something like that. Like I didn't go to Fanatics Fest, but I thought the national would be a good place to go and I built it up in my head for just months. And I was like, you know, of course you know you're gonna go and you're gonna see all the grails. You're gonna see some of the ridiculous Jheremy: Yeah. Bob: Jordans and Otanis and all that stuff. But in my head I was like, well there's gonna be vendors who have Bowman that you know maybe they don't know what they have or they, you know, everyone's buying Connor Griffin, but like I'm gonna be able to find like Cooper Fleming like red autos that like no one really Jheremy: Right. Bob: knows who he is type players. And I walked around I think I was on the floor for nine hours on Friday at the National. I bought three cards the whole time I was there. Jaba: boy. Bob: And I was Jheremy: god. Bob: devastated. Devastated at the lack of Bowman. and then a buddy of mine, I I know Sticks Chad from Sticks and Balls was there and Zeke, Zeke's cards. So I was kind of talking with Hent the hint them and Grand Salami and they were like, you gotta go up to the you know, the VIP lounge area. There's like a trade room upstairs. And I go up there and I mean I saw like the Theo Gillen Papa 101 was up there. Like there was like some really cool stuff. Everyone was trading Bowman and I was like, yo, where where was all of the where were all these cards on the floor? And everyone just kind of like was the same way. There's like, yeah, you know, like vendors don't like sell that kind of stuff at these Jaba: Yeah. Bob: shows. Jheremy: Right. Bob: And I was like, that is a huge miss. Cause in my head, I'm thinking that this Bowman community is like a huge piece of the hobby. And then you get to Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: Right. Bob: a show like the national and you realize that we're we're not as big as we think we are. You know, we're kind Jaba: Yeah. Bob: of still like like niche compared to, you know, the people collecting Jordan stuff like that. So one of the guys just Jheremy: No doubt. Bob: happened to say, you know, we we joked around kind of about throwing a a Bowman card show. And then like two weeks later you know, they start DMing and they're like, So were we doing it? And I like, I thought we were just kinda, you know, kicking around Jaba: Yeah. Bob: ideas. I didn't think that this is like a real thing And then all of a sudden I started, you know, just calling up, getting an idea on price of hotel venues and all this kind of stuff around the time of the spring training, spring breakout game. And basically with zero commitment, I hadn't sold any tickets, any spots or anything. I booked the hotel myself and, you know, kind of went with the if you build it, they will come strategy. And I think after opening the store to public, we sold out the tables in four days. Jheremy: Yeah. Bob: so it's the response has been incredible. Jheremy: Nuts, yeah. Jaba: Yeah, 'cause I I I remember seeing I forget if it was in the Discord or on Twitter, I like, you know, I gotta gotta grab a table and like two hours after the announcement I looked at the table chart and I like, I gotta do that like right now 'cause Jheremy: You Jaba: it it was clearing Bob: It was crazy. Jaba: out fast. And I mean you said it took four days to sell out the tables. I'd say what? It was probably at ninety percent after two days and then it was just a few stragglers. I I mean Bob: yeah. Yeah. Jaba: when I looked at you know, a couple a couple hours in, it was almost full. It was pretty remarkable and I think it wa it was funny because Dahl had kind of mentioned it to me. He said, you know, Bob's thinking about this. He's kicking the idea around, hoping he can make it work. And then a few days later I just saw an announcement. So I was like, Whoa, that really came together fast. That escalated Jheremy: That escalated quickly. Jaba: quickly. I think it's funny you mention kind of the Bowman collector base because I think Jeremy and I can echo your sentiment. I mean, obviously the national is the biggest of the card shows, hands down. I haven't been to the National or Fanatics Fest. I'd like to go to both next year. But even around here in the Boston area, there's shows every weekend, right? It's great. You look at a schedule and you can find at least one show any weekend, any day you want. And when you show up to these shows, you know, you walk in, you see the Pokemon, you see the Basketball, you see the football. And then there's usually one to three Bowman tables. Jheremy: Yep. Jaba: And being in Boston, at least one of those Bowman tables, the Bowman is, you know, Roman Anthony Paper second year. Stuff like that. And it's selling, or Jheremy: in a a mag. Jaba: not selling, but it's posted at $20 and in a mag, and it's it's just tough. And I think The interesting thing here, and I think the best part of what you're doing is giving people an opportunity because I feel like so many of these card shows have been going for so long where they have their vendors, people know that their spots are worth their weight in gold, and people aren't gonna give those up and they're selling what they're selling, and for the most part, that is not Bowman. I know around here, getting a table to sell by yourself at any show even quasi worth going to, impossible. even the wait lists are full. There are no wait lists for the wait lists. it it's so daunting where I think if you're trying to get into it, especially not even necessarily as a vendor call it, but just somebody that wants to set up, sell, interact with people, it's next to impossible. The only reason Jeremy and I have been able to set up a shows locally is because of our friend Delang's. who's been doing Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: it forever and he's got a table at everything and he's always very gracious and invites us and he likes kind of sharing the love. But if it weren't for Delang's, I don't think either of us would have been able to set up at a show yet. and I think it's great because obviously Bowmania, there's never been one before, and it's designed specifically for Bowman. So I'd be curious, honestly, and there's probably no way of really knowing until we get there, but I would imagine that a lot of people are getting their first opportunity to set up his vendor and sell and I think that that's really cool. Obviously Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: the best part is that it's all Bowman, but I think a great side benefit of you setting this up is a lot of people are gonna get their first taste of selling and it's a realistic chance for people to actually try their hand at it and set up and I think that that'll help kind of grow the community. So Jheremy: Yep. Jaba: I mean Bob: No, I it it's funny you bring up Delang's. I actually met him at the National. It was the first time I'd Jheremy: Of course you did. Bob: ever met him. I of course. And he came up and he found Jaba: Yeah, he's the best. Bob: me. And I you know what's funny is that I was like, I'm gonna take all these business cards for the site and I'm gonna, you know, network at the national. And then you get there and it's just like so overwhelming. Delangs did more marketing for me than I did for myself. He literally took me, Jheremy: That's... yeah. Bob: he took me in the VIP Jaba: Yeah. Bob: room and he was like, follow me. And he went up Jaba: Yeah. Bob: to every trade table and he was like, Do you guys know Bob? Do you guys know Bob? You're trading Bowman. You need to know Bob. Literally every table. And I was like, Wow, that's like my personal PR right here. Jheremy: That's a good job. Jaba: Yeah. No, it it it's funny because that's how Jeremy and I met. We met 'cause Jeremy was set up with him and I was at a show Jheremy: was through Bob. Yep, with the langs. Jaba: and Scott's like, this is Jabba, Jabba, you know, JGB. I was like, maybe? I d I don't know. Like I'm I'm bad with names. And Jheremy: Thank Jaba: you know, so many other usernames on Instagram are the same where I was like, maybe, like probably. And he Jheremy: Yep. Yep. Jaba: was like, well this is JGB. You know, we're introducing ourselves under like the code name aliases. But yeah, Scott Scott's the greatest. I remember because he saw you and he like FaceTime me. He was like, Look, I'm with Bob. I was like, wow, that's awesome. But I Bob: It was so funny. He's awesome. Jaba: I think Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: you know, going back to to the show and you had kinda said at the national as far as the floor went, it was essentially zero. And then when you went to kinda the VIP area and the trade nights that was where it was like, okay, there's actually some Bowman here. So I'll let you tell us kinda about your agenda for the show, kinda what the what the plan is and all the aspects of it coming together. Because I know it's not just like, okay, we have this convention room open for four hours. Bob: Yeah, so right now we're in the process of we're gonna do some sort of obviously when I planned it, we didn't I had no idea that it was gonna get the reception it did. Honestly, I was more afraid of the opposite happening where I was like, Who's gonna travel to Florida, you know, in the midst of potentially a lockout where there's not spring training baseball Jaba: Yeah. Bob: and sh go to a show that's one day because at the time I'm booking the hotel, I'm like, you know, I'll get a as big of a venue as I can, but like I can't justify Jaba: Yeah. Bob: booking it for two, three days, knowing that it might be me and twenty of my buddies. So Jheremy: Right. Bob: I booked it for one day. so I you know, there was more worry about like how many people will travel to Florida for a one day show because I Jaba: For sure. Bob: you know, it's not cheap. so that's why we're gonna try to plan some sort of like trade night. trying to get like fanatics involved to to put something on, maybe at one of the spring breakout games, if there happens to be one Jheremy: episode. Bob: close by the night before. Jheremy: . Bob: But yeah, I I agree what you're talking about with this will be a lot of people, and I know because they tell me this will be their first time vending at a card show. A lot of these people, it'll be the first time they've gone to a card show. so I think that that's like really cool because like you said at the national, you have these not there's anything wrong with them, but you have these vendors who have been there for 50 years. They have no, Jaba: Right. Bob: you know, they've their their price has been grandfathered in. They don't have to sell product, you know. Like this is just like They just it's like a yearly thing for them. It's just what they do. Now we're getting like some Jheremy: This is their boy. Jaba: Yeah. Bob: fresh people giving them a chance. And I know some people have some worries. They like, the only problem with an all-bowman show is that Bowman people are typically sharp when it comes to Jheremy: Yeah. Bob: like the market. So some everyone's joking. They're like, are any cards gonna even going to be sold there? Or is this just Jheremy: Yep. Bob: gonna be like a museum of cool Bowman? And I was like, I honestly think that. Bowman people are much more likely to trade than most collectors I know because everyone has their preference on prospects. So I think there's gonna be a lot Jheremy: Right. Bob: of like, you got a blue of this guy, and I've got a, you know, an orange Jaba: Yeah. Bob: of this lower tier guy that I like. I think that it'll be like a really like most of the vendors I talk to, they're like, well, I have to bring someone to watch my table because I want to walk around. Like I wanna go see the Bowman. So Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: Right. Bob: I feel like it'll be more like a less of like a card vending show and more of like a like it seems like everybody I've talked to that's coming is either friends or they're there there seems to be no like negative vibes at all. Like it seems like everybody, who's coming as a vendor, we all kinda have like the same mindset. We're all excited to see like cool Bowman cards. I think it's gonna be Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: Yeah. Bob: a great time. We're gonna get some get some some prospects to come and, you know, do some Jheremy: Nice. Bob: interviews. Just ba just baseball's gonna bring some people that they're gonna interview. And honestly, other Jaba: That's Bob: than that, I I think that year one, I think more importantly than anything, I just want it to be cool. That's like my main goal. I've Jaba: Yeah. Bob: had people reach out and they're like, you know, I book prospects for signings and they charge this an hour and I was like, listen, the prospects that are gonna come are gonna be ones that hear about the idea and think that it's cool. I Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: No doubt. Bob: I I'm not in the position to shell out money to get prospects Jheremy: Thank Bob: to come do signings. If they want to come because they think it's gonna be fun, and I think a lot of them that I've talked to will do that. Jheremy: Right. Bob: so yeah it's less of like I feel like most shows the whole thing is, you know, you gotta you gotta make money and you gotta I don't care. I'm probably going to lose money on this. I've I've run the numbers. It's gonna be more fun than anything. Jaba: Yeah, and and then you're taking a picture you're taking a picture with a guy who looks like he's being held hostage, you know, like Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: what what are you gonna do with that? I think I think the great thing about that is like you said with the players, there are a lot of minor leaguers who actually love cards and Bob: yeah. Jaba: you know, real name prospects. I think it's a lot cooler to have a few guys that are there by their own choosing that actually know what they're doing and are Jheremy: Yep. Jaba: there because they love it, rather than somebody who's kind of fulfilling a commitment. Not that there's anything wrong with that at other card shows. I get it. Like you said, they gotta make money. But I think the fact that it'll be all organic and not, hey, sign this contract, come sit here and put on a smile, you know, I think I I think it's funny because for a lot of us, I I think it's fair and safe. I don't think I'll get any pushback saying that us Bowman folks are a massive group of nerds. It's like whenever I do a deal with somebody, they have like a full Excel built out, you know, they got Bob: Yeah. Jaba: their pivot tables going. I'm like, okay, now you're now you're speaking my language. you know, their their things look like financial models I would build for work. I think the great thing about that is everyone's so educated in Bowman, I feel like. I feel like everyone has such a good understanding of the way the market works, kind of the hierarchy of parallels. I think we could get into arguing about, you know, why is this parallel better than that one? But I think we all kind of accept, okay, well this is the way it is. And like you said, I think in terms of trading, I think there are great opportunities, both trading up, trading down. It's like, hey, I'll give you a blue and a gold of this guy for an orange. And like a little cash or something. You know, things like that. I think that's where Bowman's fun because you can get a little creative. You can have that fun. And I think it's not going to be one of those shows where a lot of vendors, at least the vendors who are going to do well, just have everything priced at 120% of comps. You can tell they don't really care if they move anything or not. I think it's going to be people that are honestly just there to look at other people's cards, have fun, maybe show off a little bit, and kind of just talk baseball. And I think that that's the greatest part of it because like you said, the older vendors at the National, they have their thing. Bowman's really not a not only not a preference, but it's just not something most people have. I think that it's probably because in part it's kind of a hardcore little group that we have. But yeah, I I couldn't be more excited. I'm really excited for it. And like you said, I got the table and then I was like, well, how am I gonna walk around? And then Dahl's like, I told you you could use the Prospect Pulse table. So now I gotta figure out what to do with the other table. I offered it to Delang's and he didn't want it. He's like, I already bought a table. Of Jheremy: Yeah Jaba: course he did. Bob: He has already got one. Jaba: So we might we might have a dual table setup, we'll have to see. But yeah, I mean I'm really excited. I know Jeremy's really excited. Jeremy, you got any questions for Bob on it? Jheremy: Yeah, I mean, like Bob had said, we've been talking, you and I, like, are people going to buy cards? Like we're all, we're all after the same thing, right? And then I'm thinking like, who cares? Cause you're there to network, you know, all these people by username, but Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: to actually put a face and be an actual adult with them, have that conversation, get to know them, text them. Like, I think that's more valuable than finding a card in somebody's dollar bin that's worth 20 bucks. Like for me, I think making those human interactions. where I'm not JGB, you know me as Jeremy or the redheaded guy. Like just where it's a real personal, Jaba: Which one? Jheremy: exactly. A real personal touch, I think is going to be awesome for it. And you put out the graphics of all the vendors, like just knowing that's who's setting up, let alone who's coming through, who's walking through it. Like that's the other part is you're to have people come in that aren't set up, that aren't full on Bowman nerds that are still going to be there to buy. So whether or not you Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: are like hesitant about it, I think there's going to be more than enough foot traffic. You're in a good spot. You have spring training going on. My real question is, because it's happened, I set up with the Lang's big I buy Bowman sign. How many people are going to come in with Bowman U football, basketball, or like 1989? Very Jaba: god. Jheremy: bored. Like somebody's going to come to Bowman U and try to sell you a Drew Al or Bowman first auto that nobody wants. But Jaba: Crón! Bob: You know, you know what's Jheremy: I mean. Bob: funny is I actually had someone DM me while Jheremy: if Bob: I saw a couple tables left, and they were like, Hey, does it have to be only Bowman? And I was like, Well, I keep telling people like Bowman forward or Bowman focused. I'm like, if you have Jheremy: Right. Jaba: Yeah. Bob: tops chrome rookie autos, the guys like Nick Kurt, guys who are Bowman Jheremy: Yeah. Bob: names, Bobby Witt, like of course Jaba: Yeah. Bob: you can bring those. But Jheremy: Yeah. Bob: and they were like, Well, what about you know, and and th they asked about that? Bowman you footballer, like, and I was like, Listen, if you want to buy if you want to set that up. You can, but I can tell you if I know Bowman people the way I think I know Bowman people, you aren't gonna sell shit putting basketball and football cards in your case at this show because Jheremy: top. No. Bob: this is going to be a room of baseball people. That's what they're gonna be the Jaba: Yeah, Jheremy: without help. Jaba: that thought hadn't even crossed my mind. It's funny you mention that because I've I've talked to so many people now. It's it's kind of a conversation thing. Whenever I make a deal with somebody, you know, one of the sides will be like, Hey, are you going to Bowmania? Yeah, yeah. Are you going yeah, yeah? And Jheremy: Yep. Jaba: it's all it's all the baseball people as you would imagine. But Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: That's a that's a pretty funny side of it because I I hadn't thought about that and there's probably gonna be one table of a guy sitting there pissed off, but probably should have Jheremy: never know. Jaba: read the fine print. I I also think it's great because you had mentioned, hey, I think a lot of people aren't I g well, they are clearly, but one of your concerns having been are people really gonna wanna take a trip to Florida for a one day show I I've spoken to multiple people. I don't wanna use any usernames in case their wife overhears them listening to this. But I've had a couple people where they were like, yeah, well, I'm trying to get to Bowmania. My one guy was like, Yeah, my anniversary's around then, we were gonna do a family trip, so I figured, you know, we can go to Disney and then I can pull the old Hey, there's this card show going on. I've heard that from multiple people. Like the the same exact play Bob: I know people that are doing that. Jaba: where it's like, I'm gonna get my family to Disney and then I'm just gonna Jheremy: Yep. Jaba: pull this out and be like, Wow, we're staying at the hotel where this is happening So Bob: Genius. Jheremy: No way! Jaba: I I I think it's funny that from your end being so concerned initially and taking that blind leap of faith and then now you just immediately have people that are planning family vacation six, seven months out where it's like, Okay, yeah, I gotta Jheremy: Dude. Jaba: be there and Yeah. Bob: I I I know people who are doing that, who like, yeah, that's my kid's spring break. We were already planning to go to like Disney or something. I'm just gonna like and try to sneak over for the day. But my God, I love that. Jheremy: scoot over yeah Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: what Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: what are the hours for it do you have like set hours yet Bob: not really. I think I put on the site that it would be like ten to six. since it's a one-day show, I figured we would, you know, go as long Jaba: Yeah. Bob: as as people want to be there. But I mean we have the Jheremy: for sure. Bob: room all day, so we can really do i as long as it goes. Jheremy: Perfect. think it's one of those things, like you open it up to people. Whenever you tell them they can be there, they will be there. And when you kick them out is when they'll leave. Like, a lot of people are going down there just for that. So what are they going to do? Go sit in a hotel room or they're going to sit there and try to keep dealing, you know? So that'll be fun. Definitely a good time. Bob: Yeah. Jaba: Delang's is gonna be there at three AM. It's gonna be like when an old tree is getting cut down and someone goes and ties themselves to it. De Bob: To protest. Jheremy: haha Jaba: Lang's is gonna be chained to the front door of the hotel at two AM. Let me get Bob: I don't I don't know that we'll do it for sure, but actually one of the guys had the idea that he was like, You could almost because I have the room for 24 hours, it's like a 12 to 12. And he was like, You could almost like end the show at like six and like kick everybody out and like rearrange it and then open it back up at eight and just have like a trade night for the people who want to stay. I'm like, all right, don't get too crazy. Jheremy: thousand percent. Bob: Now you're getting now you're getting wild ideas. Jheremy: What is the percentage of you extending it to two days? Is that possibility there? Bob: I probably not know. Unfortunately. I Jheremy: No, not this year, next year. Bob: th I think that maybe like next year or if we Jheremy: Yeah. Bob: you know, do the next show we now that we know that people will travel for it, I think we can make it like a multi day thing. unfortunately Jheremy: For sure. Bob: the room is being used for an event the night before. so I Jheremy: Okay. Bob: do get it at midnight Saturday morning. I could see if they could extend it to Sunday, but yeah, that'd be Jheremy: Yeah. Bob: that'd be tough probably. Jheremy: Little does Bob know. Jaba: I feel like you're gonna have a lot of people dragging their feet on the way out, they're gonna be like, yeah. Doesn't have to be it. Jheremy: Little does Bob know, I Bob: Yeah. Jheremy: have it Friday night for Alan and Ginter Mania and he has no idea. We're Jaba: Yeah, it's your NETO convention. Bob: You have you have it Sunday too. Jheremy: all trading T-Rex bone relics on Friday Bob: Yeah. Jheremy: night. Jaba: Alan and Ginter night, yeah. Jheremy: man. Jaba: yeah, I mean that's all awesome. I think you know, Bob, is there anything else you want to talk about? I know we wanna do a separate episode after this talking about some stuff, and I don't want to take up your entire afternoon. But anything else you want to say about the show or anything where people can find more information? I get a hunch that a lot of people listening to this already know everything that is being said. But Jheremy: Yep. Jaba: if there are any people, that haven't heard about this or are hearing this for the first time, they're like, hey, that's cool. What I guess what would you tell them? Where would you direct them? I'll let you just kinda do a big plug here. Bob: so a lot of the information I I I made an Instagram page, it's at Bowmania Card Show, and then the website is Bowmania Card Show.com and that has all the details. That's where you can buy the tickets for the event and and all that good stuff. So all all the information is you can you can find all the vendors on the Instagram page. I did like a shout out for everybody, and then you can find all of the details in and ticketing, sponsorship, and stuff like that at Bowmania Card Show.com. Jaba: Awesome. Yep. Well Jheremy: Perfect. Jaba: Jeremy and I'll both be there. Although I do have to say, Jeremy and I are sending you an invoice. We had to begrudgingly we bought those suitcase rollercases for slabs. We were kinda like, Are we gonna look like weenies with these? Yes. Jheremy: and Bob: Ha ha. Jaba: And then I was like, Do we have any alternative because we're not checking Jheremy: No. Jaba: anything? No. So now I'm like, Alright, well we have to fly down together 'cause I don't wanna travel alone with that. I don't wanna feel like a boob. so Bob: I am I am gonna see if you guys will be interested. I do have a guy in Tampa who for bigger shows, he says he doesn't have any commitments that weekend, but he rents out Zion display cases and he was telling me Jheremy: Yeah. Bob: that he has about fifty of them and that he could rent them for fifty bucks a pop. So I figure a lot of people are traveling. Maybe I'll reserve those, get s get get a headcount of people who might want to use them. Jaba: Yeah, I think that would be great. Jheremy: I think that's a no-brainer. Jaba: Yeah, I I think that would be great. And yeah. Yeah, we got we got from where where do we buy from, Jeremy? Alibaba? Yeah. Jheremy: I was thinking about that and I was... Alibaba. They're currently in a shipping container coming from China. But I think you're probably going to go ahead and reserve all 50 of those. I can't imagine people are going to travel with them. Jaba: Yeah, J Jeremy's like, I found these half off I was like, Where or I think they were like fifty dollars or something with like two hundred dollar shipping where where we're like Jheremy: They have wheels. They have, it's the tariffs. The tariffs are getting us, but it, Bob: Yeah. Jheremy: it was, yeah, from Alibaba. Like they're in a shipping container on the way to New Jersey via boat, I think right now. So Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: they'll be here by November. That's all we can ask for. So, Bob: Hopefully. Jheremy: right. We'll have to get some bow mania stickers and slap them right on the side of them. Jaba: Yeah, exactly. I'm Bob: That's not bad idea. Jaba: I'm already dreading TSA that day. But we'll Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: get through it as a team. All right, Bob: Yeah. Jaba: well Bob, it's great having ya on. We definitely wanna do this some more moving forward and we are going to wrap up the Bowmania episode here. for those still listening, fret not. We are about to launch into some full-scale Bowman talk. So stay tuned for that. That will probably come out what an hour after this one does. So a lot of exciting stuff on the horizon, and I think I speak for us all when I say we are really looking forward to meeting everybody at Bowmania, and we will see you there. Thanks everybody. Go mine. Bob: Thank you.