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THROWBACK THURSDAY! (PHANTOM GHOST STORY) · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Throwback Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: So these are some of the oldies but goodies.
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  Speaker 1: The classics, and they are some of the episodes that
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  Speaker 1: are probably in the back of the catalog that you
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  Speaker 1: haven't managed to listen to yet. So just a warning,
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  Speaker 1: some of my thoughts, feelings, opinions may have changed since
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  Speaker 1: the recordings of these episodes. Doesn't make them any less interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So as an evolving human being, I may say something
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  Speaker 1: in these episodes that I don't necessary fairly agree with today,
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  Speaker 1: but these episodes are the classics, and I just thought
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  Speaker 1: I would do a little something fun for us, So
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  Speaker 1: welcome and enjoy throw Back Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: Take my advice, you have to be very careful if
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  Speaker 3: you call out to one of the dead. All of
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  Speaker 3: them can hear you.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to and tell the Friday. This is case
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  Speaker 2: number six and we will be speaking with my very
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  Speaker 2: own sister Kelly, and the following is an account of
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  Speaker 2: her true paranormal experiences. They are some of the craziest
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  Speaker 2: stories I've ever heard or been a part of. So
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  Speaker 2: without further ado, let's get right into her stories.
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  Speaker 4: I wish you could see the look on my face
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  Speaker 4: a little clearer. I have had many paranormal experiences. Sometimes
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if it's not where we live, or if
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  Speaker 4: it's me and it's following you. I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: it's following me. And I don't claim to be psychic,
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  Speaker 4: I feel like God has given me a spirit of
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  Speaker 4: discernment to know. Sometimes I'm not saying I'm psychic or
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  Speaker 4: anything like that, but like, I just had a lot
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  Speaker 4: of stuff happened to me in my life that I
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  Speaker 4: can't always explain. And that's why sometimes I think it's
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  Speaker 4: me and not just the house that we live in,
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  Speaker 4: because my husband can live in the same house and
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  Speaker 4: not have anything, but I do. And then our son
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  Speaker 4: did and he's half me.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe he got a little bit of your sensitivity.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe it is, I don't know, but yeah, I would
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  Speaker 4: say not an isolated incident for me.
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  Speaker 2: So going back in time, now we're traveling back in time,
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  Speaker 2: what is the first experience that you can remember that
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  Speaker 2: I can remember. Yes, I was probably in kindergarten. Really, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: kindergarten yet well, yeah, kindergarten.
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  Speaker 4: So it's funny because I shared a room with my
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  Speaker 4: brother when we were that small, and we lived in
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  Speaker 4: the apartment above my grandparents had to duplex, but it
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  Speaker 4: was the upstairs downstairs our grandparents, I should say. There
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  Speaker 4: was a in the room that Dave and I shared,
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  Speaker 4: there was a window seat because it was an old house,
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  Speaker 4: and the window seat would lift up and you could
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  Speaker 4: store things in it, and I used to and I
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  Speaker 4: know people would be like, oh, that's just a little
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  Speaker 4: kid's imagination. I would see things. I would see that
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  Speaker 4: little thing lift up and things come.
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  Speaker 2: Out, described things like.
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  Speaker 4: It would be like nighttime, and he and I would
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  Speaker 4: be we had little twin beds, and the little thing
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  Speaker 4: would lift up and just little like misty things would
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  Speaker 4: come out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Were you scared?
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  Speaker 4: I did not move. I just remember I would try to,
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  Speaker 4: like go tell somebody, because you know, I'm in kindergarten.
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  Speaker 4: It's not like I'm I'm you know, and I would
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  Speaker 4: just get told go back to bed. It's your imagination.
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  Speaker 4: And then from there we'd moved to a house and
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  Speaker 4: I know long and I actually didn't mind sharing a
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  Speaker 4: room with my little brother because that was somebody in
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  Speaker 4: the room with me. And then when we moved to
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  Speaker 4: one hundred, so we moved to the other house, and
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  Speaker 4: I it was an old house too. I think it
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  Speaker 4: was built in like nineteen eighteen, and the houses up
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  Speaker 4: in the northeast are just older. I mean they're beautiful,
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  Speaker 4: beautiful homes, but they're older. And I would when you
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  Speaker 4: came to the top of the stairs, the bathroom was
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  Speaker 4: to your right. Then it was my room, and you
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  Speaker 4: could walk out of my room past the bathroom and
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  Speaker 4: hit the stairs. So if something came up the stairs
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  Speaker 4: the way my bedroom was, I always kept my bed
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  Speaker 4: where I could see out into the hallway because I
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  Speaker 4: was scared. And then it was our mom's room, and
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  Speaker 4: then it was our brother's room. But when we moved there,
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  Speaker 4: I would hear things in the closet, and I would
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  Speaker 4: hear things like if I was in the living room,
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  Speaker 4: I would hear something in the downstairs. If I was downstairs,
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  Speaker 4: I would hear something upstairs. It didn't matter where. And
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  Speaker 4: we lived in that house from the time I was
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  Speaker 4: in first grade until I was in tenth grade, so
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  Speaker 4: I knew that house very well, and I even put
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  Speaker 4: my bedroom in the basement as a teenager. And I
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  Speaker 4: wasn't scared per se, but there were definitely things in
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  Speaker 4: that house, and nobody else seemed to care, and nobody
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  Speaker 4: pre vibes. Oh yeah, yeah, sometimes it would be like
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  Speaker 4: a coldness.
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  Speaker 2: Did mom ever get creep vibes?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Mom wouldn't have told me if she did, I mean.
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  Speaker 4: And then that's where it always seemed like, not only
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  Speaker 4: were there creep vibes, but there would be times when
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  Speaker 4: it would just be the air would be heavy and
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  Speaker 4: they would fight. It seemed like like we could be
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  Speaker 4: away from the house and everything would be fine, and
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  Speaker 4: we'd come back to the house and they would argue.
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  Speaker 4: And that's where. That was the house they lived in
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  Speaker 4: when they decided to get a divorce, and then that
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  Speaker 4: was the house that your dad moved into when he
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  Speaker 4: married our mom. And then of course he was Satan,
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  Speaker 4: so amplified everything.
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  Speaker 2: Fell home, sweet home. He was like, yeah, live here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was like the devil came home, a
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  Speaker 4: little housewarming party in it everything. But you know, it
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  Speaker 4: was an older house. It was, and you know, people
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  Speaker 4: would say, oh it creaks or cracks or whatever, but
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't even just that there was a heaviness to it.
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  Speaker 4: There was sometimes I would think I would see something
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  Speaker 4: coming up the stairs out of the corner of my
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  Speaker 4: eye and look over and it wouldn't be there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's the worst.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. But as I got older, I didn't like
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  Speaker 4: to stay by myself at night, even when the opportunity
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  Speaker 4: would come as a teenager, when most people are like, no,
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  Speaker 4: I want I'm a teenager, I can stay home by myself.
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  Speaker 4: I always at least wanted our brother there or you know,
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  Speaker 4: I just didn't like to stay by myself because it
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  Speaker 4: just seemed like the feeling would just be, you know,
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  Speaker 4: those cold spots, or like seeing something out of the
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  Speaker 4: corner of my eye or smelling something that still happens
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  Speaker 4: to me to this day. Our house that we live
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  Speaker 4: in now was built in twenty twenty one. It was
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  Speaker 4: a brand new house. Nobody's ever lived here. And I
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  Speaker 4: smell our grandfather's column and it's not anything my husband
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  Speaker 4: wears right.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's very distinct.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Georgio. I don't even he used to buy
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  Speaker 4: it at Carlisle's. Like it's not even like I remember
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  Speaker 4: the little crown on the bottle. I'm pretty sure it
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  Speaker 4: was a Georgio and it had like this little crown
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  Speaker 4: on the bottle, but that was his smell. But it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't scare me. It's very comforting and usually I smell
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  Speaker 4: it when I'm going through a lot, and it'll just
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  Speaker 4: come when I'm home by myself and it's just quiet, right,
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  Speaker 4: And I'll even go and go into the bathroom and
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  Speaker 4: look to see did Brian spray acts? And It'll be
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  Speaker 4: like hours after he's gone to work, and I don't
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  Speaker 4: smell anything anywhere else except just one little spot in
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  Speaker 4: the living room.
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  Speaker 2: And that's like a positive experience. But you know, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of our family members are just sensitive in general.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like whatever is in the house, whether it's
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  Speaker 2: like a good thing or a bad thing, we pick
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  Speaker 2: up on it wherever we live.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true, That's very true. I mean I know
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  Speaker 4: some things that happened that I was told about, like
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  Speaker 4: the house that it wasn't where my it wasn't. I
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  Speaker 4: was probably three and our brother was probably a year old,
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  Speaker 4: and it was a little two bedroom house that had
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  Speaker 4: an upstairs, a regular middle floor, and then the water
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  Speaker 4: room dryer were in the basement. And I remember mom
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  Speaker 4: telling me and my dad both they recounted the same
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  Speaker 4: story that I used to. They could it was a
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  Speaker 4: hardwood floor and they would hear my bare feet come
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  Speaker 4: down the hallway and I would come and get in
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  Speaker 4: bed with them, because I had been taken out out
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  Speaker 4: of the crib so that my brother could have the crib. Again,
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't even two. It was the seventies. It probably
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  Speaker 4: had lead paint. Who knows, like there probably was not
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  Speaker 4: even a baby gate at the top of the stairs.
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  Speaker 4: If she falls down the stairs, she'll learn. So they
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  Speaker 4: said that, They said, come on, Kelly, come get in,
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  Speaker 4: Come get in the bed. Like the footsteps stopped at
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  Speaker 4: the door, and so they were telling me to come
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  Speaker 4: and get in the bed with them, and nothing happened,
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  Speaker 4: but they heard my little bear feet come down the hallway.
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  Speaker 4: So Mom said, she got up, went down the hallway,
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  Speaker 4: and I was sound asleep in my bed under the covers,
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  Speaker 4: and our brother was asleep in his bed and Reep
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  Speaker 4: the same house. Also, Mom was downstairs doing laundry. I
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  Speaker 4: had gotten up from my nap and could hear me
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  Speaker 4: in the living room, and she came up and I
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  Speaker 4: was still sleeping.
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  Speaker 2: It's so weird because Mom and our aunt both had
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  Speaker 2: paranormal experiences.
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  Speaker 4: But in that house too.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I was going to say they both had lived in.
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  Speaker 4: That house, because by the time Connie lived in that house.
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  Speaker 4: It was just a very like depressing, like it wanted
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  Speaker 4: to antagonize you. And then later we found out that
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  Speaker 4: the person who had owned the house before our grandfather
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  Speaker 4: bought it because he would buy houses and rent them
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  Speaker 4: out and he would fix them up and do different things,
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  Speaker 4: and he was a good businessman. And he got that
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  Speaker 4: house because it was next door to his brother in law,
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  Speaker 4: so he knew it was coming up for sale, and
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  Speaker 4: they had lived over there for years. The man who
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  Speaker 4: had owned that house had unlived himself in the garage
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  Speaker 4: a minute suicide. Well, I don't know if I was
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  Speaker 4: allowed to say, hey, that are not poetically over here, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: then you can take a lived himself though. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 4: arrived himself.
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  Speaker 2: And then when our aunt lived there, appeared at the
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  Speaker 2: end of somebody's bed.
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  Speaker 4: I think so. No, it was our cousin who lived
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  Speaker 4: next door, who did not know he had killed himself,
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  Speaker 4: and he was at the end of her bed after
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  Speaker 4: because that was her neighbor. So she recognized him and
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  Speaker 4: then said, hey, he was in my bedroom, and they
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  Speaker 4: were like, well he killed himself. He couldn't have been.
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  Speaker 4: And then our un would be like doing dishes and
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how many coffee pots they went through.
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  Speaker 4: The coffee it's like the caraffe of the coffee pot
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  Speaker 4: broke and there was something that was like just kill yourself.
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  Speaker 4: So I think there are things that are there that
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  Speaker 4: not everybody sees, senses, feels, and unless you just happen
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  Speaker 4: to be somebody. So here's what I also think. Our
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  Speaker 4: family is very open to the Holy Spirit. Our family
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  Speaker 4: is very open to the presence of the Lord, and
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  Speaker 4: I think we have the protection of Jesus first of all.
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  Speaker 4: But I think because of that openness that we have
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  Speaker 4: to Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that things will try
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  Speaker 4: to mimic or like attack, attack because of that openness
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  Speaker 4: that we have. So that was that house, and then
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  Speaker 4: from there we had moved to Texas. I don't really
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  Speaker 4: anything remember anything happening in Texas. And then we came
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  Speaker 4: back to Ohio and then that's where my first memories
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  Speaker 4: are of seeing something myself. And then of course we
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  Speaker 4: moved to the house on Red Avenue. Then we moved
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  Speaker 4: to the house on Shrman Street. That's where you were born.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing really happened in Sherman Stree. I think the misery
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  Speaker 4: and depression from that house was just your dad probably,
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  Speaker 4: so he was such a tormentor, like he lived to
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  Speaker 4: make my life hell and that's where he found his joy,
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  Speaker 4: which is pretty sad for a grown adult to treat
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  Speaker 4: a kid like that. And then I moved out, and
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  Speaker 4: guess where I moved to, back to the little apartment
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  Speaker 4: where I lived when I was in kindergarten, because our
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  Speaker 4: grandparents still owned that house. So I lived there for
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  Speaker 4: just maybe. I think I moved in September, and I
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  Speaker 4: had moved out by February or March. It just was
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  Speaker 4: not a good fit. Not that I really I didn't
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  Speaker 4: like to be there by myself. It just was that
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  Speaker 4: same And that was my bedroom again. It was in
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  Speaker 4: the front of the house. I wanted to be by
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  Speaker 4: the door. I wanted to be able to see out
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  Speaker 4: the front window. It just was very spooky. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 4: the downstairs where our grandparents lived, it was wonderful. It
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  Speaker 4: was homie. That house is my safe place. It's so
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  Speaker 4: weird how the upstairs could feel so weird from the downstairs.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know if anything ever happened up there.
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  Speaker 4: They moved into that house, I mean, I want to
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  Speaker 4: say they bought it in early late sixties early seventies,
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  Speaker 4: and always rented out that upstairs, so they always lived
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  Speaker 4: in the downstairs and rented out the upstairs because that's
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  Speaker 4: how he also padded his income. So basically the people
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  Speaker 4: living upstairs basically paid for that house because he used
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  Speaker 4: the rental income towards his house pain and he was
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  Speaker 4: able to pay it off pretty quick. So you never know, though,
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  Speaker 4: with having so many different people who weren't our family,
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  Speaker 4: you don't know what they do, You don't know what
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  Speaker 4: they what their bringing in, you don't know what their
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  Speaker 4: traditions are, you don't know what their beliefs are. And
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't always family who lived upstairs.
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  Speaker 2: That's true with each one of the house though. Speaking
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  Speaker 2: of family, he was telling me about it the other
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  Speaker 2: night that you, before you even knew who your husband was,
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  Speaker 2: you lived there and then he lived there at a
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  Speaker 2: separate time, and like, yes, what was that about?
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  Speaker 4: So another one of those, like again, weird coincidences. It
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  Speaker 4: was we renewely dating, so we didn't know each other
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  Speaker 4: that well. And he had gotten his tickets to a
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: concert and there was a place in Ohio called Ponderosa
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  Speaker 4: Park and it was an outdoor concert venue. And you
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: kind of had to drive out. It's like in the country.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know if it still operates today. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's been thirty years ago that we started dating. So
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  Speaker 4: we're driving down I believe it's Highway six, and we
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  Speaker 4: cross over into Rome, Ohio, and we're passing these country
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  Speaker 4: houses and I look over the house and I said, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I used to live in that house. And he looked
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  Speaker 4: at me so strange, and he goes, what house And
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  Speaker 4: I said that house and he goes, no, you didn't,
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  Speaker 4: and I said, yes I did. I said my dad
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  Speaker 4: and my stepmom lived there, and so when I would
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  Speaker 4: go stay with my dad, I lived there on the weekends,
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  Speaker 4: or I lived there during summer break or you know,
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  Speaker 4: spring break whatever. And I said, my brother was like
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  Speaker 4: a year old when they lived in that house. And
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  Speaker 4: I said that house is haunted, and he just kind
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  Speaker 4: of gave me a crooked eye, and he goes, I
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  Speaker 4: lived in that house. And I said, no, you didn't,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: and he said, yes, I did. And he started describing
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  Speaker 4: to me how the house is set up, and it
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  Speaker 4: does have a very unique feature. It has a two
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  Speaker 4: sided fireplace that you can see through from the dining
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  Speaker 4: room into the living room and behind one day, on
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  Speaker 4: one wall it's very seventies, or at least it used
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  Speaker 4: to be. And on one all cute one wall was
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  Speaker 4: a wall of mirrors that in the living room that
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  Speaker 4: had like gold, you know, like those you know how
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  Speaker 4: marble looks, That's what the mirror looks like with gold.
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  Speaker 4: So it was an accident wall. Oh yeah. And then
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  Speaker 4: you've got like the kitchen and dining room, everything right there,
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  Speaker 4: and you have stairs that go to the basement, and
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  Speaker 4: then you have a hallway that goes back and that's
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  Speaker 4: where you have the three bedrooms and the two bathrooms.
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  Speaker 4: There's a bathroom like a three quarter bath off the
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  Speaker 4: master and a full bath off the hallway. And I said, well,
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  Speaker 4: my little brother's room was in the front. He had
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  Speaker 4: the big room. His crib was in there and his
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  Speaker 4: toys were in there. And he said, that's the room
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  Speaker 4: my brother and I had because it was bigger. And
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  Speaker 4: I said, when I stayed, I would stay in the
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  Speaker 4: room next to that, and he goes, yeah, that was
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  Speaker 4: my sister's room. So, I mean, it was really weird
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  Speaker 4: to know that at one point in time his family
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  Speaker 4: lived there. Knew the guy that them the house, and
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  Speaker 4: then we moved in, like moved in. It was probably
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  Speaker 4: maybe two years later because I was ten and he
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  Speaker 4: probably was eight, and he's a he's eighteen months older
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  Speaker 4: than I am. So it wasn't like years and years
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  Speaker 4: and years and years, you know what I mean. And
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  Speaker 4: by the time he moved out, the guy that had
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  Speaker 4: owned the house somebody had murdered him. What so ownership
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  Speaker 4: of the house had changed. But the guy he knew
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  Speaker 4: that rented it to his family had been murdered.
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  Speaker 2: And if I'm not mistaken, it is an unsolved murder.
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  Speaker 4: I do think it's unsolved. I don't know. I've never
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  Speaker 4: heard that it's been solved.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't unlive himself.
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  Speaker 4: No, he didn't commit suicide a little turd. I was
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  Speaker 4: trying to be politic. I wasn't sure if I could
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  Speaker 4: say that.
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  Speaker 2: You're trying to know all the podcast people.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what all the podcast rules are.
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  Speaker 2: So let me guess he didn't have any experiences in
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  Speaker 2: the house. But then the guy was murdered. Unsolved murder.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: You moved into the house, so we expanded.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Yes, So the cat hated the basement and it would
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: like the hair on the back of its neck would
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: stand up and it would like hiss. And my brother
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: and I would be down there roller skating or playing.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: We'd be a skateboarding out of the basement as fast
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: as we could. Cold spots, you'd think you'd see something
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: out of the corner of your eye. You think you
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: saw something in the hallway. I mean, you almost think
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: you're going crazy. And then my granddad came to visit
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: and something came into the room where I usually slept.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: He was sleeping in that room and sat on the
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: edge of the bed and he's a He is a marine,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: so marine wants a marine, always a marine. He's not
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: scared of anything. And he was like, you better get
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: off of the edge of this bed. You are not
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: welcome in here, he said. He watched the edge of
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: the bed raised back up, and he could just feel
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: that it had left.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: That is so crazy. It has to be the murdered guy.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know. Brian says he never
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: had any experiences in that house. I don't want to
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: say the guy's name because I don't you know, I
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: don't know his family, and I wouldn't want to say anything.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: But as far as I know, I don't think that's
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: ever been solved. And I mean it's just such a
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: small town. Like it's just such a small town.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: It's odd that it would never be solved as small
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: of a town as it is.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Of course, rumors fly, you know somebody, you know back
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: back in the eighties, people who were gay didn't get
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: he did very well, and there were rumors that he
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: was kay. There were rumors that you know this or that. So,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, nobody should lose their life for anything. It's
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: you know that it's a terrible thing that happened, but
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: it is just weird. Like my brother was a year old,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: my other little brother, and he would just start crying
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: for no reason, like be fine, and then I would
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: watch him. Well, everybody else went out to the barn,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: and it would just be me and him in the
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: house and I'd just be like, uh uh.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I mean the cat walks into the room with a.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Hifting his tail up on end. I mean, it just
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: didn't have a good feel. I know I've said, I
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: know that has come up multiple times, but it didn't
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: have a good feel.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: It was it was probably like some of the other
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: places that I've experienced too, but it's like an.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Oppressive and venus.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's like it lays on you like a blanket. Yes,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Yes, So like after that, you know, we still lived
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: in the house on Reed Avenue, and it wasn't until
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: I was in tenth grade that we moved to the
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: house where you were. You came home too. But you
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: know I had you know, little experiences here and there,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: and then when I got married, I didn't have any
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: in like one of the townhouses we lived in. And
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: we've moved twenty two times in our marriage, so I've.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Probably should have prefaced this episode by saying, my sister
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: is our guest tonight. She's moved one hundred and eighty
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: seven times, had and has had one hundred and eighty
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: six addresses, So I haven't had that many. If you
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: want to know any address in the Continental US, my
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: sisters lived there and can tell you about the paranormal
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: experiences she had activities.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: But like we moved because that's you know, he would
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: get a promotion or you know, it was. People have asked,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: you know when they hear how many times we moved
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: there like military, and I'm like, no retail, because you
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: go where the money is he supports her family.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: And thirty years later, her underwear are still in a box.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: You know, we have been in this house. This summer
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: will be three years, and I'm not moving anymore. This
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: was my last a whole three years. You've I'm not
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: going to punch you when I see you.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: No, Okay. So you guys got married and you moved.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: We got married a little house. We had a little townhouse,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: and then we had a mobile home and that's where
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: we had a baby. And then I wanted to live
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: closer back to our family once the baby was born,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: because it was like a twenty minute drive to go
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: see anybody. And sometimes when you have a little baby
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: like that, you know, you just distance matters. Yeah, distance matters.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: And so we rented a little house. You would have
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: been four when we moved into that house. And it
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: had a nice big yard, and it was little. I
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: mean it was little. It had uh I mean you
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: could spit across it, it was. It was so small.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: But it was just a sweet little house. And it
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: had a bathroom. Didn't have a shower, so it was
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: just a bathtub, sink and toilet. Off the kitchen and
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: then off the dining room was a bedroom and off
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: the living room was a bedroom. So it was I mean,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: I guess it could be kind of be like a
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: shotgun house. I mean it just everything straight back and just.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: And that house was the first time I experienced anything
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: after I was older and married. And there was a
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: guy in a white T shirt that would walk through
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: the kitchen and go into the bathroom. And he'd go
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: from like the back door across the kitchen right over
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: into the bathroom. And sometimes I thought it was Brian,
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: and I think, what is he doing home? I didn't
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: know he was home, and I just, you know, had
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: this little baby and I was a stay home mom,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: and I would just be like, well, where did that
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: come from? And go in there thinking it was him,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: and it wasn't him. There'd be nothing there. It wasn't
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: like a scary thing. I just felt like this person
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: had maybe lived in that house for a long time
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: or something.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I reminded you of this story because I would
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: spend the night at your house all the time, and
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: when you're four years old, the house doesn't seem that small.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I remember it being medium sized.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: It was very small. It was probably eight hundred square feet.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: If I have to be honest, it would seem like
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: minuscule to me now, but I was. Wasn't it like
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a glass tub, like a white like.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: I was a wife club. It wasn't clawfoot, but it
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: was a white porcelain tone.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, I remember that. And I was in the tub,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: splashing and playing barbies or whatever. And I told you
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I saw a man in a white T shirt walk
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: across like the doorway to that bathroom because the door
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: was opened so you could hear me if I accidentally
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: drowned myself to death or whatever. And I was like, sissy,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I saw a man in a white T shirt walk
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: past the bathroom. And you were like, girl, you crazy girl.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: The whole time, I don't know what I had years
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: that you had seen his Okay.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: There's nobody here, because you'd be scared.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: You should have truthed me right there.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: You were poor. It's not like us having a conversation now.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: You should have truthed me, because I didn't find out
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: for years that you saw that motherfucker skulking around.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: He was older with a crew cut, crew haircut. He
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: had a real short crew haircut, and he had gray
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: hair and as soon as ass, like a white undershirt
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: like a right.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you like you'd put another shirt over top.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Of that shirt, like a button up shirt or something.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: But is it too soon to say? Maybe it's too soon.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's not what you saw at Ma Mall's house,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: which I have. I did a whole episode on some
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: other Guys podcast talking about what I saw at Mama's house.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: And I always tell them the story of what you
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: said you saw there, But it's different when it comes
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: straight from the horse's mouth.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: I just want, I just want to say, our grandparents
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: were the most loving and carrying people. And this is
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: in no way of a reflection on anything that they
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: would have invited into their home or anything like that.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy. You probably didn't even listen to
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: the episode I did. When I talked about it, I
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: always opened the story up by saying, my grandparents were
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: very good Christians. They were very loving, they were very kind.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: They would take the shirt off of their back.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: They had a Jesus picture on every wall. They had
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: an oil lamp, Jesus chandelier.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: No it was a lady holding great No it wasn't.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: It was Jesus with the lamb. It was Jesus with
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: the lamb.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: That was a different That wasn't the one that had
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: the oil coming down. That was a different which they
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: had a Jesus hot oil lamp in the middle of
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: the living room and there was still, in my opinion,
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: something demonic in that house. This one, I'm thinking I've
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: hung from the ceiling.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: No, you remember the bars that separated the kitchen from
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: the living room. In between those those uh oh, there
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: was a hot oil lamp with Jesus and a staff
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: in holding a lamb and greenery and greenery.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I was thinking of the one that they used
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: to have in the old house that hung from the
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: ceiling that was like a circle that had the oil
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: coming down the little uh clear.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I almost feel like we should we should just so
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: people don't think like it was like an oil lamp
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: like that held oil. No, this had strings coming down.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: The oil would run down the strings like it was raining.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, And the hot oil would drip down the little
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: strings and it would look like it was raining. And
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: you had to refill that mother freaker with oil. So
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: you want to talk about some some retro shit, Yeah,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: forget that lamp, and I'd pay a million dollars to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: get a lamp like.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: That again, now I would too, I would too. It
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: also lit up, it did light up, and the one
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: and it had a smell to it because they would
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: get hot.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure Papa will put the anointing oil
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: in it probably.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Did, but I do. And I didn't hear your episode
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: on that, and I'm sorry I didn't get a chance
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: to listen to you.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: No, that's okay. I just think it's funny because before
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I always tell the story of what I saw in
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: that house, or like what I felt in that house.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I always say, like as an opener. My grandparents were
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: good Christian people. They were super loving. They never would
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: have invited anything, they summoned anything, but whatever it was
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: was still in there.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Our grandmother was so honest that if you said how
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: much did that cost, and say it was ninety nine cents,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: she wouldn't say a dollar, she would say ninety nine cents.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: And if somebody gave her back a penny too much much,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: she would turn the car around, go back to the
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: store span thirty dollars in gas to return the penny.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: And I tried to live by those same that same example.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: You know, I try to have integrity. I try to
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: be honest, I try to be generous. I try to
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: live by the example that they set for us. So
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: I don't ever want somebody to think that they were
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: the kind of people that just invited something like this
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: in their house.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like needless to say. They weren't doing so
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: many circles.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Correct, correct, and the first okay, help you want me? Okay.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: So I had a couple different things that happened or so.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: They moved into that house when I was eighteen. It
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: was about six months before I got married, and it
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: wasn't until they lived in that house that some kind
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: of weird things started to happen. The house they built
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: the house, I don't know what was on the property before.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know it was there was a house, it
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: was their house, a house next door, and then the
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: church that they passed her, so they were almost right
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: next door to the church. So there's good vibes coming
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: from that too. The first thing that happened was before
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: we ever even moved away from Northeast Ohio, when our
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: son was maybe two two and a half. It was
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: our grandparents and our great grandmother lived with them there
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: in the house. She passed away right before you turned five,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: and right before Josh turned a year old. I don't
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: know if you were how well you remember her?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Pretty well?
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: She always sat. Now you got a picture this house,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: even though it was built in the nineties, an older
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: couple was building it. It was when that whole mob
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: and blue color scheme was going on, a lot of pink.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Any fabric that was on a couch was floral, and
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: there was a recliner, a sit alone chair, and then
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: the couch. And our great grandmother would always sit in
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: this floral chair, and that was kind of like her chair.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: And she had passed away. I wasn't really even thinking
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: about it. And our son would not have remembered her,
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: because he didn't turn a year old until the next
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: month after she passed, and he was about two and
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: a half. And he said to me, Mama Melly, And
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: I said, what do you mean, And I said, yeah,
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: do you remember Mama Melly? And I knew he probably
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: didn't remember her, and I didn't think anything else of it.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: A little bit later, we move away, we come back,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: he's about three or four. We're visiting in the house
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: and he comes back up to me and he's talking better,
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: and he says, Mama Melly, And I said, you know
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: what about Mama Melly. I thought he was like Mama
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: had taken him around to like look at pictures or something,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: because she used to do that and she would point
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: at who people were. And he said, she gives me dollars.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: And I almost fell out of my chair because she
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: would roll up a little dollar and put it in
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: the pocket of his bibbed overalls. He was a baby.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: And I said, tell mommy, where did you show me?
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: And he took me into the living room at that
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: floral chair and pointed and he said here, Mama Elly. Oh,
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: And I almost wet my pants. And I was like,
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: I got scared at first, but then I was like,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: you know what, if it's her, she's checking on him. Yeah,
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: because she thought it was so amazing, and I find
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: it so the time. Then I was in my early twenties.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: I didn't know anything. I was stupid. Not that if
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: you're in your early twenties you're stupid, but I just
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: had a lot of life to learn. And I look
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: back on that now how important that was to her.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: He was the fifth generation. There's one picture that we
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: have and how I wish I would have taken more pictures.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: But back then we didn't have a phone. We didn't
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: have that instant picture in your hand. You had to
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: get film, put it in the camera, pose everybody. You
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: don't know what shot you got until you go to
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: the develop the film and brint out. But there's body's Lincoln. Yeah,
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: And there's a picture of me and our mom and
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: her mom and Mama holding Josh. How special that was
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: that for a moment in time, we had five generations
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: right there. And I see it now that I'm almost fifty,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: how important that is. And I just look at that
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: as like that meant a lot to her to be
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: able to see a great great grandchild. You know, she
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: was my great grandmother, she was his great great grandmother,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: and she got to see him for almost a whole year,
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: and that is so special. And I took it for
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: granted then because I didn't really understand and then that
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: was the first thing that happened.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I do have to say it must have been
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: very special to her because in the time it took
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: for me to be born and the time it took
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: for Josh to be born, she really upped her game
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: as far as giving away treats because I got church
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: candies and juicy fruit. I never once got a dollar.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: You got the hard buttertcotch and juicy fruit. Well, she
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: would roll the little dollars up.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: And I don't know nothing about rolling the little dollars up.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: She didn't roll no dollar for me.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Well, she'd rolled church candy. He'd roll the little dollar
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: up and put it in the little bit. Maybe you
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: didn't wear the right nibbed overalls. She'd put that little
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: dollar in his offsh cosh.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: But gosh, no, she didn't put any She didn't cosh
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: my begause.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: She gave me purse juice.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: You fruit too. It tasted like perfume.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: It did have a different kind of taste when it
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: came out at the bottom of the purse. Yep. And
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: it might have some cleenex fuzz on it too.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: A little bit, a little bit.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: There's always for the text texture. But we had come
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: back to visit, and when we would come to visit,
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: we would stay with them. And there was a time
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: my husband and son would sleep in one room and
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: share like a queen size bed, and then I would say,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: you guys, sleep in here. I'm going to go sleep
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: with Mammal and I would go sleep with her because
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: she was alone because our grandpa was in the nursing
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: home by Ben and I look out into.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: The hallway and you gotta set the scene, okay, because
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Mama and I always remember to say this, because it's
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: the creepiest shit on earth. No night lights, no light,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: no nothing.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: People range clock. The only light you could see would
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: be if there were like the moon was out and
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: any light coming through like the living room window because
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: she didn't believe in many blinds. It was curtains and
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: it'd be like a sheer curtain with a floral curtain
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: over it, or you know whatever. And in the kitchen
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: any light coming in through the window just from the moon.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Because they lived out on like a state route that
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: didn't always have like a neighborhood street light down every
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: so many feet, so if anybody was in the bedrooms
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: and their doors were closed, you didn't have light coming
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: into the hallway from that either. And the bathroom was
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: in the center of the house, so it didn't have
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: any windows. So I know people are going to think, oh,
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: she probably just woke up and her eyes hadn't been adjusted.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Whatever it was the way the night light was shining. No,
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: no pitch black dark. I mean, once your eyes adjusted,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: you definitely could make your way.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying there wasn't any like you're saying, like.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: No shadows, no tricky lighting, no ball light on, nothing.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: So our cousins and our aunt and uncle lived with
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: her after our grandfather went into the nursing home, so
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: that she wouldn't be alone. They had a bedroom in
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: the basement, our aunt and uncle did, and then the
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: girls each took one of the bedrooms upstairs. Well, since
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: we were visiting, they were sleeping in one room together
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: as sisters. And then they gave my husband and son
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: one of the beds. And then I slept with my
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: grandma because what kid, I mean. I used to love
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: to go spend the night and I'd get right in
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: bed with her. And that was just how we did things.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Until you fell asleep and we're in utter pitch blackness
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: and you were like.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, And she always slept with the bar of soap
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: at the foot of her bed underneath.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Look it up.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: It's a thing. I want everybody to look this up.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: It's supposed to help with leg cramps, and it was
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Irish spring, shout out to Irish spring. And she would
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: have that bar soap underneath the fitted sheet at the
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: bottom of the bed. So, of course you're in a
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: different house, but it wasn't a house like I had
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: never been in. Right of course, you know you're waking up, Well,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: it's because I heard something and then my feet were
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: like messing with that bar soap. So I had been
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: laying there like fidgeting with that bar soap and she
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: was sleeping. And the way the bed was set up,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: the top of the bed was on the wall away
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: from the door, so if you were laying in the bed,
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: you could see out into the hallway. Yes, and I
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: hear this noise in the hallway and I see Brooke,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: our cousin. She hates when I tell this story because
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: she's like she just is like I can't And I'm like, Brooke, Brooke,
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: is that you? And I was like, what are you
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: doing up? And she looks at me and she smiles
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: this weird smile and she does a backbend and walks
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: that way. I'm getting chills right now, like down the
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: hallway away from the door. I was like, dear Heavenly Father,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Jesus God, please protect us right now. Whatever that is,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It was not brooke, literally like the
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: way it smiled and the way that it like, and
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: just to bend backwards and its head like in a
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: back bend and walking with its hands and its feet
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: backwards down the hall. I did not move from that bed.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: I had to pee for like three hours. I never knew.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: I did not move from that bed till the sun
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: came up because I was not going to let anything
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: get my grandmother, and I could not go back to sleep.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: I laid there, eyes wide open, praying because I was
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: not going to let anything happen to our mama. And
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: I knew protect mama. I had to protect her. I
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: knew that our my husband and son were in that
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: room down there. There's no cell phones. You can't just
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: use your cell phone and call the other room. I
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: would have had you have gotten out of the bed
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: into the dark hallway and go ten feet to the
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: And I thought, I'm just going to start praying for
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: my husband, praying for my son, praying for everybody that's
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: in this house, praying, praying, And I did not The
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: bathroom was in my grandma's bedroom. And I wouldn't get
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: up until the.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Bathroom was almost creepier.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Well it was Emerald Green.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, like Wizard of Ram's shit.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But I just never felt like as scared as
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: I was in that moment. And here it is, all
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: these years later, brings up that fear and emotion that
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: I felt laying there next to her. I didn't even
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: want to leave her in that house.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to leave her in that house either
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: when we moved out.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: And she eventually, for people listening, had she had Louis
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: body disease, and she would have as her disease progressed,
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: she would get some hallucinations. She thought, you were in
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: the driveway one time, dancing in your underwear with your friend.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there is a fine line between some of
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: those goofy ones that she would say, and then some
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: of it sounded paranormal to me.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, And I think sometimes when you have something like
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Louie like what she did, it opens you up again
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: because your mind is not you know, you don't have
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: that full control over your mind, and you know you're
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: you're experiencing some different things. And but I just that
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: probably was one of the scariest things that ever happened
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: to me to look at our cousin who I knew
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: and who I know and love, and me say, hey,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: are you okay have looking at her? I'm not just
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: talking to somebody that and the look on her face, Okay,
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: you know I've actually you know the movie they made
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: called Smile No, It was a little bit like that.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: And when I watched that movie, that was the first
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: thing that came to my mind. You were triggered, and
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh God, I wonder if they saw
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: the same thing I did, because it was like that
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: real weird. But then she just bent backwards and just
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: walked on all fours.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Like that, Sis, what do you think was in there?
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know, because I've often wondered if I could
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: knock on the door when we go back to visit
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: and be like, Hi, I was just in the neighborhood.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: I drove here from Oklahoma, and I just wanted to
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: ask you if you've seen anything weird in here since
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: you've bought this house.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Or like, just show a picture of brook do you
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: recognize this squirl?
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: This girl been in your house? But it was almost
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: like whatever it was would take form of something familiar.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, so it wouldn't.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Necessarily be broke, it would be something else. It was like,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: and am I allowed to say what your dad did there?
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: So there was something. I just don't understand if it's
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: a spirit or demon. But like our mom almost had
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: a nervous breakdown, and your dad, she found him hanging
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: in the basement trying to kill himself, which isn't anything new.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, he did try to kill himself often, but
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: that one was probably one of the most traumatic for
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: our mom, and that was part of his mental abuse
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: to her, would be when he would try to do that.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: And it's almost just like you guys were playing in
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: the basement and had something happen down there, Yes, when
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: your little friend. Yes, so there's I wasn't the only
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: one who had.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: All of us did, except for our brother who claims
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: nothing ever happened.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know how nothing. Well, he was
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: he was going through some stuff at that time.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was going through some stuff. We'll just say that.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: But what even after, So there was definitely something in
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: that house. But it's like you said, maybe we're just
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: more open and sensitive to picking up on that kind
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: of stuff, And not to say that anything from that
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: house followed you, But did you have anything that happened
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: in between that in the house in Oklahoma.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Things were pretty quiet. I didn't really have. So I
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: have lived places where nothing has happened. I've lived places
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: where it would be something like I would have a
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: dream that somebody was going to have a baby, and
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: then they tell us that they're pregnant.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that happens all the time.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: So that kind of stuff would happen. Or I would
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: think of somebody and then run into them. That happens
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: to me all the time. Or I think I'll get
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: a thought like I better move that because that's going
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: to spill, and then if I don't move it, sure
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: enough it gets knocked over and spilled. That kind of
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: stuff happens to me all the time.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: An intuition.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: But I've lived in houses that have had great peace.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: And you know, our house in Kentucky, it had it
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: was it was a lovely little house. The two houses,
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: three houses we lived in in Georgia great nothing happened.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: And then we moved to Oklahoma. And I'm excited about
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: the move because actually, let me tell you, Okay, let
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: me just tell you how weird this is. So I
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: was praying and I was like, just we had been
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: in this house the longest we had been in a house.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: We had just gotten it finished, we had just remodeled it.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: We had put a swimming pool in the backyard. I
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: loved this little house. It was great and in Georgia,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: in Georgia, and it was where, you know, I got
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: to like design the kitchen and it wasn't anything that
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: is like, I don't want people to think, oh my gosh,
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: she's so materialistic. It was nothing spectacular. It was just
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: a for the first time ever, I had gotten to
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: have like newer appliances. And it wasn't even like a
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: stone countertop. It was a lamin at countertop. But it
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: was something we picked and we got to change the
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: configuration of the kitchen and my husband did all the work,
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: and it was just we put our heart into it.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Well, that's how I feel about this house that we
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: moved into. And it's not a freaking mansion or anything. No,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: it's not huge, it's not extravagant. But I feel that
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: way about this house because I picked everything out. Yes,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I'm doing all the renos, you know, me and Zachary
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: picked stuff, and so it just it's like, oh my gosh,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I dreamed of when we could move in here and
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: get to do this.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: Stuff and this It was an older house built in
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: nineteen seventy one, but we made it our own, you know,
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: and we had just finished it, just finished it in
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: like June. He gets home from work one day and
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: I had been I felt like God was just laying
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: on my heart, like you're gonna move. Like it's almost
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: like He would prepare me before it would happen. Because
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: I had to kind of get emotionally read because sometimes
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: I do get emotionally attached to stuff, especially something like
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: we've put our heart into. And I loved this little house.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: It wasn't even it was like a thousand square feet,
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: but it was just enough for the three of us.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: And it was like, you're going to move. And I
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: told Brian. I was like, I think it's time for
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: us to go. I think something's going to happen. And
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: he was like, oh gosh, no, Kelly, we just got
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: done with all of this. No way. I just got
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: the backyard like I wanted it. And it wasn't an
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: inground pool or anything. It was an above ground pool.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: But it was like our little oasis because we didn't
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: take many vacations. It was just like our little place
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: to be able to enjoy. And he comes home one
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: night and he goes, let's go for a swim, and
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: Josh was already in bed and we're out in the
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: swimming pool, and I said, have you ever thought about
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: going to the corporate office? And he goes, do you
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: know what it takes to get noticed by the corporate office?
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: And I don't want to save what retailer because I
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: don't want to do that, But he was like, I'm
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: one of almost five hundred store managers. What would I
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: have that anybody would want? And I was like, I
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: just feel like that was in June. They called him
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: in August from the corporate office for an interview and
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: transferred him out of the store to the corporate office
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: for an amazing opportunity. And I think back on that
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: and it's like, I was really excited because God had
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: already started preparing me. God had already started like and
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: he was like, I just can't believe, Like we were
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: in our swimming pool having this conversation one night, and
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: now I'm flying out there for an interview and then
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: being told we're moving, and from June we moved in
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: September of the same year to Okla. To Oklahoma, we
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: he and I looked for a house to rent because
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: that was it was a quick move. I didn't want
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: to be gone separated from him very long because again,
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: I don't like to be by myself at night. I
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: just I just don't like it. Maybe it's my past experiences.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I just don't like to be by
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: myself at nusty for shell and so, I mean, I've
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: had somebody try to break in while he was out
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: of town one time. That was not paranormal, that was
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: just somebody be in a buttthole. So I don't like
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: to be by myself and get we get ready to move.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: We find a little house. We're going to rent this house.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: He calls me two weeks later because I had to
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: come back home and start getting things ready, and he goes, well,
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: the guy that was supposed to rent is the house.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: He was working in the oil field. He's not going,
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: so we can't rent that house. He goes, I'm going
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: to have to go find us another place to live.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: And I was like, okay, I trust you, you know
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: what we need, do what you got to do. So
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: he finds us another house. It was a house that
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: a lady had rented and she had decided to buy
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: a house and leave her lease after three months. Red
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: flag number one. So I'm like, yeah, well maybe she did.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: Maybe she had just rented it and didn't realize she
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: would find a house that she could afford to buy
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: and found it and then was happy or whatever. But
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: we needed a place to live. So we are getting
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: ready for Brian to come home for us to start
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: to move, and his grandmother dies. We get through all
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: of that. We come back to Georgia from Ohio and
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: we load up everything and we drive the fourteen hours
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: from Chattanooga to Oklahoma City. We were so excited all day.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: We drove straight through one day. We didn't stop and
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: stay at a hotel. We were just excited about this
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: new adventure. We get here and we bring an air
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: mattress and we bring a TV and a VCR, a
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: DVD player I'm sorry, a DVD player so we could
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: at least plug in the TV and have a movie
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: to watch. And we watched Vacation with Chevy Chase. I
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: remember one of my faves. We get in the house,
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: we get the air mattress set up. I'm looking around
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: and I begin to bawl, like I can't stop crying,
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: and it's like I'm so overcome with sadness. And He's like,
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: what's wrong, And I said, I don't know. I can't
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: stop crying. And he goes, oh my god, you hate
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: the house. I said, Brian, this is a nice house,
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: like it's bigger than what we've ever had. I don't
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: know what's wrong. And his feelings get hurt because I
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: can't stop crying and I'm so All of the sudden,
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: I go from being so excited and so happy to
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: being so depressed. It's the end of September. We moved
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: out of that house by the end of November. It
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: was one of the worst experiences I've ever had in
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: my entire life. It was one of the rooms had
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: tinfoil over all the windows, and that was not done
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: by us, and it was so cold in there that
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: you could almost see your breath all the time, all
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: the time. Our son's room was next to that room,
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: and the house that we had moved from only had
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: one bathroom. This house had two bathrooms. So I was
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: like excited about that, like, Wow, We're not gonna have
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: to share a bathroom with our teenage son and.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: I.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: There were things about the house that I that I
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: really did like, but the feeling of the house. We
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: don't know how it happened. I started getting dizzy and lightheaded,
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: and I called my husband, he was out of town,
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: and he goes, get out of the house. That sounds
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: like it could be a gas leak. So I called
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: the gas company, like on their emergency line. They sent
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: somebody out and something had come undone and there was
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: a gas leak, so they had to cut the gas off.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: And I can't quite tell you what it was that
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: caused that, but had we stayed in the house that night,
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: it probably wouldn't have been a good outcome and had
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: killed you. Yeah, had had had we started not getting sick,
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: it could have been very bad. So that happened, and
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: then I would be in the bedroom and our bedroom
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: was right off the front of the house, and I
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: was getting ready one day and I'm learning the town.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: I have to use my GPS for everything because I
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: don't know where anything is. And I am in the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: bedroom and I see Brian walked by the door and
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: I was like, what's he doing home? And I came
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: out and I was like, hey, did you decided to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: come home and have lunch with me? Nobody was there.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: I was home alone. I went to my car and
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: sat there until it was time for our son to
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: get home from school, and then he and I went
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: and got food because I was like, I'm not staying
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: here until your dad gets I took the dog. We
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: had a little toy pool. It's me and the dog
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: sitting in the car. Because I didn't know where to go.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: I didn't know anybody here. I didn't know where a
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: store was, like, I didn't know, Like I mean literally,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: we had just moved in and gotten We didn't even unpack.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: I didn't hang a picture. I didn't. I was like, nope, nope, nope, nope.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: Then he's like, Kelly, it's your imagination. You've got to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: get used to this house. It's fine. So I'm in
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: my son's room and I'm hanging laundry and I'm like,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: you know what, it's just just my imagination running. So
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: I'm like in there hanging up his clothes in his closet.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: He got a little guitar when he was about three
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: from our mom, and I'm like on one end of
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  Speaker 4: the closet and it's just like bifold doors, so it's
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: like an opening, not walking, and I'm hanging clothes. I'm
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: hanging up his little shirts, and the guitar starts frigging
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: strumming itself. I just dropped the freaking clothes, got the
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: dog and left. God, I'm not leaving my dog because
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm the same.
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  Speaker 2: I have huge dogs. I'd be freaking having one on
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: my back, one on my sides and getting the fuck
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: up out of there.
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  Speaker 4: That guitar. It wasn't a oh maybe something like his
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: pants were folded in half. It was a taller closet,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: didn't have a second row. It was just one bar
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: across the top. That little guitar for a kid is
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: not going to freakin strum itself. It literally was strumming itself.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I am getting the heck out
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: of here. So when my husband gets home, I'm like,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: we're still outside. I'm not going in the house. He goes, Oh,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: my gosh, you're letting your imagination. He was getting aggravated
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: with me, and I was like, this house is not normal.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Not normal, so as old people do. We're watching TV
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: and we're watching the Wheel of Fortune, because that's something
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: we still like to do to this day, is watch
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: Wheel of Fortune. Our well thirteen year old son comes
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: running out of his bathroom with a towel wrapped around him,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: and he's like, stop it, it's not funny, and we're like,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: what are you talking about, and he goes, I can
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: see you and dad running back and forth in front
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: of the bathroom door and laughing, hunched over, I can
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: see you through the shower curtain. Quit trying to scare me.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: We had not moved from the chair.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: I think I would have started my period if somebody
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: said that to me.
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  Speaker 4: Hunched over, laughing, hunched over, laughing, running back and forth
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: in front of the door. I told Brian, I said,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: we are not staying in this house. I'm going to
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: start looking for a different house. He's like, we're going
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: to lose our deposit. I said, I don't care. I
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: don't care. Our son started making bringing a sleeping bag
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: into our room and sleeping on the floor because he
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: was afraid to stay in his room. A teenage boy
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: does not choose to sleep in their parents' room on purpose.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Was he staying in the tinfoil room?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: No, he is. His room was next to the tinfoil room.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: That's just as bad. So all the box you put
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: in the tinfoil.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: Our boxes, our boxes that had like pictures and stuff
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: that we didn't unpack because I was not unpacking anything
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: else in that house. It was like camping. We only
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: need what we need paper plates, three plates, three pos,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: three spoons. So I start looking for another place to live.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: I can't stay here. And when we told the guy
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: that rented us the house that we were moving, he
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: wasn't surprised. I went to the lady that lived next
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: door and I said, Hey, can I ask you a question?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: I said, is there anything funny about our house that
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: we're living in? And she's like, what do you mean?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't know. It just feels uneasy.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: And she goes, well, the person who built the house
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: died in the house. And I said, excuse me. She said,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: he built that house for his family, and when he
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: got cancer, he moved his hospital bed to the very
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: back room that had the tinfoil on the windows.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: He moved his hospital bed to the tinfoil.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: He died in that house.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Why was he evil?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know that he was evil. But he built
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: that house for his family, and she said he loved
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: that house and it was a gift to his wife.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you were bawling in the gas leak, in
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: the hunched over.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: I just think he didn't want people in his house.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're right.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: So we move right after Thanksgiving. I don't have any
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: more experiences none. It just stopped. And the house that
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: I would watch, that house and I would go by
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: was like clockwork, every three or four months, there's a
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: new lease sign open. Like nobody stays very long.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Nobody can stay.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: That's why he gave us backguard deposit. Oh, the guy
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: literally gave us backguard deposit. He was so nice about it.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: I think he's just been through it so many times.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: He's just like, well, at least it. Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: He gave us half our deposit back.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: You know what, when when Mom and I moved to Oklahoma,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: you guys you drove us past that house to show
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: us sign. It had a freely sign and the tinfoil
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: was still up in the window.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Why hasn't anybody removed the foil.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: Because that room is scary, like they don't want to
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: be there, and it's cold. It's cold.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: That's why he had the ten foil.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: Maybe because he wanted it dark. I don't know. I
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: don't know who put the tinfoil up. The next time,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: you and I need to have a lunch date and
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: go to Tacocasa and we will drive past that house
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: and if for lease again, that probably was one of
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: the most active places. Our dog would just bark at
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: that door because I kept the door closed. Our dog
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: would just bark at that door and I would and
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: he and he was such a sweet dog. He wasn't
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: like a you know, he really wasn't even a barker barker,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: and he would just bark at that door. And I
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: got a job because I didn't want to be at
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: the house.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: We should just put everybody who's a lazy piece of
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: shit in that house and see how quickly they find employment.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: Because I would. I mean, I was happy to be
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: a stay at home mom so that I was there
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: for my family. That was a job. I don't want
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: people to think I'm saying being a stay at home
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: mom is not a job I could, but it does
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: make it. I went back to a ghost. I went
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: back to work so we could afford a different house
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: and get out of there because it was so awful.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: We thought. I cried, it was such a horrible house.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: Mind you. I was excited about this move and I
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: still am happy here in Oklahoma. I love it here.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: I met my husband here.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: It was because of us moving here that you came here.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: Meant to be, you know, it was meant to be,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: So it wasn't a bad move. I feel like this
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: is where you know God planted us. I could not
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: stay in that house.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: But you know, Sis, I have to ask you kind
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: of like inclosing, because you know more about it than
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: I do. Brian lived in the house, didn't experience anything,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: didn't cry, didn't have any fits of depression anything. He's
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: and you were there and almost went into the crazy house.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: But it goes all the way back in our family
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: to a story you told me about like pop aub
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Troy And yeah, if you maybe just like in closing,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: like tell that story a little bit.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, So the part where he was a healer or
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: the part where I almost saw him both okay. So
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody that would be listening to this,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: has ever heard of Appalachian healers. I think there's a
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: documentary somewhere that you can find on it. But they
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: our great grandfather was an Appalachian healer, and it had to
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: do with something like the seventh son out of the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It was like a certain number of
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: the number of the son or whatever in the family,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: and it was passed on from generation to generation, and
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: whoever it was passed on to couldn't tell anything about
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: what was told to them until they passed it on
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: to somebody else upon when they felt like they were
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: going to be passed and their time was short. So
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: he had an ability like if you had a wart,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: or if you had something on you, he could take
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: his hand and rub it and he would say this
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: thing under his breath, and the next couple of days
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: your wart would be gone. And people would come and
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: see him when they had like ailments. And they were
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: from the Appalachian area. So I think it's called Appalachian healers.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: And so that our grandmother was very close to her parents.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously her mom lived with her and her
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: husband for over twenty years after her dad passed away,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: and she was worried about him, and he was going
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: into the hospital for a surgery and it was supposed
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: to be something that was just very routine. And she
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: woke up after she got home that night, she went
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: to bed. She woke up and he was standing at
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: the end of her bed, and she said that, and now,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: this is our grandmother that wouldn't tell you she paid
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: a dollar for something if she paid ninety nine cents like, so,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: you know, she wouldn't tell anything that was untrue. And
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: she said she was laying there getting ready to go
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: to sleep, and she looked down at the bottom of
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: the bed and he was standing at the bottom of
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: the bed, and she said, daddy, and he just smiled
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: at her. And it was a few minutes later the
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: phone rang and it was the hospital telling her that
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: he had passed away.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: So it's in our jeanes.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: I think so, I think so. And before he died,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: our aunt the youngest. He called her into the room
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: when he knew that, like he was sick, and it
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: was before he went to the hospital, and he told
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: her something that she never told and she did not
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: have an opportunity to tell that to somebody else.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: Well, guess what counted you? My brother Kim Brian Ritsney
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: brooke me. I'm number seven. I should have got the secret,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: and I didn't get the secret, and it's con But
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe without me knowing, I got the secret and
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: I just haven't tried it out yet. Next time you
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: get a ward on your ass, come over to my
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: place next time the vibity boppity word beganity and then
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: we'll see if it works.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: So I just want to say thanks for acting like
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: I get warts on my button, but.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: They'll thank you so much for joining me sis. I
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: have thoroughly enjoyed this. It's always better hearing this story
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: straight from the horse's mouth.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: But as I promise, the oldest.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: So you're the best storyteller.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: Oh thank you.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: And as I promised at the beginning of this episode,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we were officially recording yet. What
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: is your This is a throwback to my early cosmic
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Peach days. Your favorite scary movie?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's pretty fitting that my favorite scary
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: movie is Poltergeist the original.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: The O g Heather Rourke.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: And not only do I love that movie, I have one, two,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: and three on DVD still to this day, and sometimes
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: for just for fun, when I'm home by myself and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: i'm cleaning, I put that on because I can visualize
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: whatever's going on just by hearing it, because I've watched
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: it so much. That is.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: The song in Poultergeist just gives you the Halloween fall vibes.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: Na I always hear it and I'm like, Okay, it's
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: officially Halloween. That in the Exorcist theme song. The Halloween
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: theme song.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: That's my second favorite movie is the original Halloween. M
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: We can't go wrong with Jamie Lee. But I will
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: tell you the reason Poltergeist is my favorite scary movie.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: Not only do I think it's like things that I
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: feel like I've experienced in my own life. And if
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: I saw little goal floating people, I'd be like, well,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: that's who's coming out of the thing, by the way.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: But it also is a testament of a mother's love.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: And if there's anything that someday when I'm not here anymore,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: I want people to not think of, well, she worked
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: a lot of hours, or she she worked hard or whatever.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: I want people to talk about me like they talk
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: about mama. She was a caretaker, She loved her family.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: There was nothing she wouldn't do for her family. And
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: that movie, that mother in that movie crossed dimensions for
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: her child. And that is what I love the most
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: about that movie.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Unless you see a scary cousin look alike bent over
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: backwards in the hallway, then you'll just stay in bed
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: and pray.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: I was protecting our grandmother. You're like, hope, they're cool,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: But I'm studying here. Listen. I had to protect her
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: because she was sleeping, and I'm I'm going to tell
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: you right now, my legs wouldn't move.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: I was the Irish spring soap.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: It was. I was paralyzed with fear.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: I know, you told me that I can't even imagine anyways.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: And I mean it was her and then she just
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: had a little back bend and her hair fault. She
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: had long hair. Hair falls back and that smile.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: You know what, that's the kind of stuff that raises
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: the hair.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: On your arms. Yes, even talking about it all these
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: years later, I sat here and got chills and it
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: made me have to pee.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: And I debated your plotter. Oh my god, well, thank
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: you so much for joining me. Sis. I think this
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: is my new favorite Phantom Friday episode.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: Well, I love you and I'm so proud of you
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: as always, and I'm honored to have gotten to be
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: a guest on the Cosmic Peach.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and thank you to all the
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: listeners out there. We will catch you on the next one.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: Into the further
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: Dance and you had anybody to do dance, and you