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The One-Man War of Christopher Dorner · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: You know, if you think about how we protect our
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digital lives today, everything is essentially built around the concept
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of a firewall.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, a hardened perimeter exactly.
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Speaker 1: It's this incredibly sophisticated perimeter, right, and it's designed to
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keep external threats, you know, hackers, malware viruses completely locked out.
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And in the physical world, an institution like the Los
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Angeles Police Department operates on a well, very similar principle.
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I mean, the LAPD is essentially this massive, heavily armed,
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highly trained firewall.
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Speaker 2: That's a really good way to put it.
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Speaker 1: Right, designed to keep the chaos of the outside world
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at bay. They have the numbers, the tactical gear, the
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communication networks. But here is the terrifying flaw in literally
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any firewall.
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Speaker 2: It is absolutely useless if the virus already has the
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admin passwords, exactly, because at that point the entire paradigm
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of security just completely collapses in on itself. The system
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is out there scanning the horizon for an enemy, but
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it's completely blind to the fact that the threat is
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already inside the network.
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Speaker 1: Right, weaponizing the very mechanisms that were built for protection
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in the first place.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: Well, welcome to this deep dive. Our mission today is
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it's dark, yeah, but it is deeply necessary if you
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want to understand how institutions break down. We're going to
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unpack the anatomy of a vengeance campaign.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're tracing that really razor thin line between
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a perceived personal grievance and full blown catastrophic domestic terror.
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Speaker 1: Right we're looking at the infamous twenty thirteen Christopher Dorner case.
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So in February of that year, the LAPD, which is,
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you know, one of the most powerful police forces on
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the planet, found itself completely paralyzed, totally locked down. Yeah,
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locked in this massive, sprawling manhunt. But the target wasn't
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a cartel boss or a typical civilian suspect. It was
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a highly trained insider who's actively hunting the police themselves.
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Speaker 2: And you know, we really need to set the sticks
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for you right from the jump here. This isn't just
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a recounting of a true crime timeline.
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Speaker 1: Not at all.
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Speaker 2: This is a profound psychological study of institutional failure. We
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are going to look at the mechanics of paranoia, how
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a localized grievance can literally be weaponized into a war, and.
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Speaker 1: The horrifying collateral damage, right, Yeah, that occurs when one
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man turns an entire city into a battlefield.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It forces us to ask some really uncomfortable questions
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about the fragility of authority when it's forced to confront
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a monster that it, in some ways helped to create.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's unpack this. Yeah, because the sheer scale
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of the chaos this guy unleashed is completely incomprehensible unless
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you understand the foundation it was built on. We're talking
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about a man whose lifelong consuming dream was to wear
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the badge.
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Speaker 2: So how does someone with that level of devotion become
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the laped's most dangerous lethal enemy.
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Speaker 1: You really have to start at the beginning to understand that.
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Speaker 2: We do, and honestly, looking at the files we have
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in front of us, even the beginning is just a
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chaotic mess.
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Speaker 1: It really is. I mean, the foundational time line we
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are working with from the source material was in some
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glaring logical impossibilities that immediately make you scratch your head. Right,
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I want to highlight this right out of the gate,
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because as we were going through the background, there is
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this fascinating, almost surreal quirk in the timeline.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the dates are just wild.
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Speaker 1: They are the record state that Christopher Jordan Dorner was
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born on June fourth, nineteen sixty nine, in New York City.
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Fair enough, right, right, But then the dates start aggressively
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overlapping in ways that basically defy the laws of physics.
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The files indicated he played American football at the University
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of Utah from nineteen ninety to two thousand.
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Speaker 2: Which that would be a ten year college football career. Yeah,
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and in collegiate athletics you have four years of eligibility
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maybe five with a red shirt year. Ten years is functionally.
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Speaker 1: Impossible, exactly. And it gets even weirder. You know, the
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timeline states he graduated high school in nineteen ninety seven.
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Let's do the math on that for a second. If
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he was born in nineteen sixty nine, that means he's
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graduating high school at age twenty eight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes absolutely no sense none.
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Speaker 1: But simultaneously, according to these overlapping dates, he is already
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seven years into his decade long college football career in
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Utah before finally graduating college in two thousand and one.
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I mean, it's like looking at a glitch in the matrix.
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Speaker 2: It is. And while we have to acknowledge these are
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the disjointed records on file. What's actually really fascinating here
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is how this chaotic, contradictory paper trail perfectly mirrors the
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contradictory nature of the man himself.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's a great point.
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Speaker 2: Right, on paper, his foundational years don't make logical sense,
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and as we will see, his psychological foundation follows that
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exact same pattern of justifying normal logic.
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Speaker 1: That's a really great way to look at it. But
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if we peel back the bizarre dates, we do get
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some very clear, grounded details about his environment growing up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially his time in southern California.
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Speaker 1: Right. He eventually attended Cyprus High School. Yeah, and there
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is a critical demographic reality to his childhood that we
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have to talk about. From first grade all the way
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through seventh grade. Christopher was the only black student at
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his school.
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Speaker 2: And if you want to understand the architecture of a
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person's psyche, you really have to look at their formative isolation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a huge burden.
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Speaker 2: Massive. Being the only person of your race in a
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school environment for seven crucial developmental years places this massive
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psychological load on a child. He was frequently subjected to
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racism and bullying, but what we really need to analyze
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is the coping mechanism he developed in response to that hostile.
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Speaker 1: Environment he fought. I mean, the records show he often
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responded to this racist targeting with physical altercations, which obviously
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led to a string of disciplinary problems.
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Speaker 2: This is a really vital piece of the puzzle. When
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a developing brain is placed in an environment where it
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constantly feels targeted or victimized, it wires.
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Speaker 1: Itself for survival, right, fight or flight.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. For Dorner, the learned response to perceived injustice wasn't
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de escalation. It wasn't seeking mediation from an authority figure
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like a teacher, probably.
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Speaker 1: Because you felt those authority figures weren't protecting him in the.
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Speaker 2: First place, right yeah, bingo, His default, hardwired response became
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immediate physical retaliation. Now, in a child facing horrific bullying,
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you can absolutely understand the anger, sure, But this instinct,
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this drive to strike back physically and overwhelmingly against a
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hostile environment, It's a seed that gets planted very early,
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and it establishes a behavioral.
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Speaker 1: Loop, like a rule. He lives by.
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Speaker 2: Right, I am wronged, Therefore I must respond with physical
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force to protect myself.
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Speaker 1: Wow. So you have a kid who feels like he's
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constantly on the defensive, constantly fighting back. But despite the
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disciplinary issues, he makes it through high school. Yeah, and
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as he enters his teenage years, he develops this intense,
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almost singular obsession. He decides he is going to become
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a police officer.
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Speaker 2: And it wasn't just a career interest for him. He
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described it as a calling, like a deep, profound desire
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to wear the uniform. Right, I want to pause on
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that word calling. When someone views a job as a calling,
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it ceases to be just a way to pay the bills.
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It becomes an identity, a moral framework exactly. He wasn't
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just looking for employment. He was looking for a system
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of order, a place where the rules were clear and
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perhaps honestly, a place where he would be the one
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holding the authority instead of being the victim.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, taking the power back. And he didn't just dream
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about it, you know, he engineered his entire life around it.
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He enrolled in a youth program offered by the police
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department in La Palma.
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Speaker 2: Those are specialized programs designed to mold young.
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Speaker 1: Kids, Yeah, teaching them the basics of public safety, discipline
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and just the culture of law enforcement really early on.
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Then he heads to the university's Utah. He's studying political
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science and psychology, which those are very common stepping stones
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for law enforcement or intelligence careers. He's playing football, utilizing
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his massive physical build, and then he takes the ultimate
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step to solidify his resume. In two he enlists in
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the United States.
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Speaker 2: Navy Reserve, which is the absolute perfect crucible to add
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military discipline to his physical capabilities.
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Speaker 1: Right. I was looking at this trajectory and it just
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struck me. If you were like a Hollywood casting director
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trying to build the perfect, unimpeachable resume for an American hero,
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this is exactly what you would write.
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Speaker 2: It's flawless on paper.
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Speaker 1: You have the youth police program, the college athlete, the
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psych and police side background. And then he joins the military.
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And he doesn't just join, he succeeds.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. He reaches the rank of lieutenant in the Navy Reserve,
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and crucially for.
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Speaker 1: Our story, he becomes an elite shooter. He receives multiple
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commendations and earns specific medals in both rifle and pistol marksmanship.
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Speaker 2: Let's break down what that actually means, though, because it's
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not just about having good eyesight. To earn marksmanship commendations
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in the military, you have to master intense emotional control.
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Speaker 1: Right, it's mental just as much as physical exactly.
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Speaker 2: You have to understand breath control, trigger discipline, and how
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to completely compartmentalized stress so your hands don't shake when
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you are acquiring a target. He was quite literally certified
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and decorated by the US military for his ability to
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deliver lethal force with absolute precision.
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Speaker 1: Wow. So with these medals on his chest and this
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flawless resumee, he feels ready for the ultimate prize. Right.
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In two thousand and five, he enters the Los Angeles
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Police Academy, and.
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Speaker 2: This is where the split in his personality really becomes
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glaring totally.
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Speaker 1: Because if you asked his neighbors at the time what
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Christopher Dorner was like, they would paint a picture of
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a model citizen. They described him as quiet, polite.
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Speaker 2: Friendly, the perfect neighbor.
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Speaker 1: Right. He didn't really initiate conversations, but if you engaged him,
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he was approachable and courteous.
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Speaker 2: It's the pristine public facade. He knew exactly how to
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wear the mask of the stoic, dependable professional.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he has no criminal history, no strange fascinations. He
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appears completely stable. He even gets married, But underneath that
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calm surface, the found is incredibly brittle.
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Speaker 2: It was already crack in exactly.
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Speaker 1: His marriage falls apart and ends in divorce by two
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thousand and seven, which is just a couple of years
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in The reasons aren't fully public, but they hint at
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domestic instability. The real warning signs, however, come from the
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women he dated after that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they experienced a completely different Christopher Dorner than the.
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Speaker 1: Polite neighbor night and day.
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Speaker 2: Difference because the private reality is often wear the mask slips.
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His ex girlfriends painted a picture of a man with
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severe emotional dysregulation. They described his patients as practically non existent.
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His mood could pivot from charming and friendly to intensely
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intimidating in just a matter of minutes.
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Speaker 1: And you have to factor in his physical presence when
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you think about that. We're talking about a guy who
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is five foot eleven weighing two hundred and sixty five pounds,
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a huge guy. He is a massive, heavily muscled former
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football player with elite military training. When someone with that
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kind of physical footprint decides to be intimidating.
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Speaker 2: It is terrifying, it really is, And this is the
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danger of compartmentalization. He was forcing all of his volatility
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down to project the image of a disciplined, laped recruit.
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But privately he was highly reactive. Right when he felt
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frustrated or challenged in his personal life, he would use
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his size and his temper to dominate the situation. It's
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that old childhood wiring resurfacing. When I feel threatened or wronged,
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I use overwhelming physical presence to regain control.
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Speaker 1: So put yourself in the shoes of an LAPD internal
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reviewer for a second. Okay, on paper, you have a
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man whose entire identity is anchored to law enforcement, armed
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with elite military marksmanship skills. But beneath the surface, you
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have a deeply reactive, emotionally unstable individual with a hair trigger.
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Speaker 2: Temper, a walking contradiction.
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Speaker 1: Right, but despite these unseen red flags, he makes it
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through the academy. He gets the badge, He has achieved
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the dream he's had since he was a kid.
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Speaker 2: But it is an incredibly fragile victory.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it only took one fateful arrest to shatter
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the entire thing.
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Speaker 2: Every catastrophic explosion requires a spark, and for Dorner, the
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stark that ignited this entire tragedy occurred in July of
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two thousand and seven.
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Speaker 1: Let's walk through exactly what happened, because it's so critical.
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It's July two thousand and seven. Dorners graduated the academy,
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but he is still in his probationary period as a
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rookie officer.
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Speaker 2: Right, still under observation exactly.
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Speaker 1: He's assigned to ride with a veteran training officer named
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Teresa Evans. They get a call responding to a disturbance
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at the Double Tree Hotel in San Pedro. The suspect
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they need to apprehend is a man named Christopher Getler.
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Now this is not a standard arrest.
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Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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Speaker 1: Getler is suffering from severe mental health issues, specifically schizophrenia
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and advanced dementia.
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Speaker 2: And this is one of the most complex, high risk
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scenarios any police officer can face. When you are dealing
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with someone experiencing severe schizophrenia or dementia, standard compliance commands
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simply do not work.
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Speaker 1: They can't process them exactly.
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Speaker 2: They are often in a completely different reality. It requires
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a tremendous amount of patients, specialized de escalation tactics, and
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physical restraint that minimizes injury to someone who might be
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wildly thrashing around without malicious intent. It's a massive test
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for a rookie.
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Speaker 1: And according to the initial reports, the suspect was ultimately
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restrained and arrested without a major catastrophic incident. So the
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problem wasn't the suspect. No, is it that Tromath right?
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The problem was what happened between the two officers during
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and after that arrest. Officer Evans, who was evaluating Dorner,
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documented that he was at best an average recruit, but
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she noted some extremely concerning.
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Speaker 2: Deficits, specifically regarding his weapons.
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Speaker 1: Yes, she claimed he had significant struggles with firearm handling.
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She even went so far as to document an incident
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where he supposedly injured his own hand during an accidental
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discharge of his weapon. Back at the police academy and.
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Speaker 2: In the culture of law enforcement, an accidental or negligent
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discharge of a firearm is a massive flashing red light, Kate,
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It's a fundamental failure of safety protocols and triggered discipline.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, I have to stop here and push back
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on this because I am honestly struggling to understand the logic.
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How do we reconcile this?
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Speaker 2: It is tricky.
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Speaker 1: We literally just spent time breaking down how this man
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was a decorated lieutenant in the Navy Reserve who earned
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highly specific elite medals for his rifle and pistol marksmanship.
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How does a guy with a military certifies as an
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elite marksman go to a police academy and suddenly forget
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how to hold a gun to the point of accidentally
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shooting his own hand. I mean, it sounds absurd.
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Speaker 2: It is a massive contradiction, and it's actually one of
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the most debated aspects of his early career. Really, yeah,
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there are basically two ways to look at this. The
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first is the psychological difference between environments. Shooting at a
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static paper target on a military range, where you have
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all the time in the world to control your breathing
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is vastly different from dynamic, high stress tactical police training.
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Targets are moving, adrenaline is spiking, and you have to
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make split second shoot or don't shoot decisions. Right, So
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it is entirely possible that under the chaotic stress of
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civilian law enforcement scenarios. His fundamentals completely broke down.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I can see that the range versus reality argument.
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What's the second one to look at it?
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Speaker 2: The darker possibility, the possibility that the grating was subjective
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and hostile. There was clearly an inherent tension between Dorner
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and his superiors, including Evans. Law enforcement training is a grueling,
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critical process, and if a training officer decides a recruit
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isn't a good fit, their evaluations can become hypercritical. We
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don't have definitive proof that Evans fabricated his struggles, but
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we do know that Dorner felt he was being unfairly
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targeted and scrutinized beyond what was normal.
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Speaker 1: And he didn't just keep that feeling to himself, did he.
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Shortly after these evaluations, Dorner confided to an associate that
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he was seriously considering suing the LAPD for discrimination. He
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felt he was being pushed out.
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Speaker 2: The paranoia was already building.
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Speaker 1: Right He didn't file the suit right away, but it
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was simmering. Then, after Evans gives him another round of
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professional criticism regarding his performance, Dorner does something that virtually
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guarantees the end of his career.
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Speaker 2: He escalates it to the point of no return.
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Speaker 1: He files a formal complaint against Officer Evans, accusing her
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of using excessive force. He claims that during the arrest
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of Christopher Gettler at the Double Tree Hotel, Evans maliciously
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kicked the mentally ill.
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Speaker 2: Suspect, and you really have to understand the gravity of
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what he did.
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Speaker 1: There.
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Speaker 2: In law enforcement, there is an unwritten, fiercely guarded culture,
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often referred to as the thin blue line. Turning on
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your partner, especially your training officer, and formally accusing them
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of a crime is the nuclear option. It instantly triggers
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an internal affairs investigations. Everything stops, the department halts everything
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to investigate, and it pits the word of a probationary
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struggling rookie against a respected veteran officer.
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Speaker 1: So Internal Affairs swoops in. They start pulling the threads
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on the Getler arrest, but the evidence they uncover just
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does not support Dorner's accusation.
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Speaker 2: It really didn't.
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Speaker 1: They interview the hotel staff who were present during the altercation,
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and none of them report seeing Evans kick the suspect.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Furthermore, when Getler was brought in and booked, he never
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mentioned being assaulted by the officers.
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Speaker 2: Now, to be fair, Getler did eventually make some statements
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later on suggesting.
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Speaker 1: He might have been kicked right, but there was a catch.
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Speaker 2: A huge catch. Investigators had to weigh those statements against
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his severe mental health condition. Because he suffered from profound
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schizophrenia and dementia, his grasp on reality and memory was
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deeply compromised. The investigators ultimately deemed his delayed statements inconsistent
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and unreliable.
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Speaker 1: So Internal Affairs looks at the totality the evidence, the
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hotel staff, the booking reports, Getler's condition, and they come
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to a definitive conclusion. The assault never happened. Officer Evans
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is completely cleared of all wrongdoing.
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Speaker 2: But that decision has a devastating boomerang effect on Dorner.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does, because if the assault didn't happen, it
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means Dorner made it up. He isn't just cleared of
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his complaint, he is officially branded by the department as
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a liar.
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Speaker 2: And in the rigid hierarchy of police work, integrity is
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the baseline requirement. If you are found to have lied
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on an official report to take down a fellow officer,
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you are done. In two thousand and eight, the LAPD
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officially terminates Christopher Dorner for making false statements. The badge
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is gone.
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Speaker 1: But he fought it though. He went through the appeals
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process trying to get the decision overturned, trying to prove
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he was telling the truth.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he don't go quietly, but.
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Speaker 1: He lost every appeal. The system completely rejected him. So
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stripped of his career, he leaves Los Angeles and moves
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to Las Vegas. And I want to slow down here,
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because this five year period in the desert is where
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the human element completely curdles into something monstrous.
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Speaker 2: It's the incubation period, right.
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Speaker 1: He isolates himself, he sinks into a profound depression because,
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as we establish earlier, his entire identity was tethered to
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that uniform.
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Speaker 2: What you are looking at here is a psychological phenomenon
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known as identity foreclosure, followed by total identity collapse.
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Speaker 1: Identity collapse.
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Speaker 2: Right, when someone builds their entire self worth, their moral compass,
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and their daily purpose around a singular institution, being expelled
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from that institution is catastrophic.
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Speaker 1: It's not like getting laid off from a tech company.
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Speaker 2: Not at all, it's not like getting fired from a
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corporate job, where you can just update your resume and
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apply to a competitor. To Dorner, being rejected by the
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LAPD was an ego death. His reality shattered because he
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no longer knew who or what he was without the.
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Speaker 1: Badge, and crucially, because he firmly believed he was telling
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the truth about the kick. He didn't view this as
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a personal.
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Speaker 2: Failure, did he No, he viewed it as a massive,
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corrupt betrayal. He believed the system covered up a crime
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to protect one of their own, and essentially threw him
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to the wolves for daring to speak up.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, and when that sense of profound betrayal is left
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to ferment in total isolation, without a job, without an
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institutional anchor, it mutates.
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Speaker 2: It gets so much worse.
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Speaker 1: We get a chilling window into his mental state during
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this Las Vegas exile. There was a website at the
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time where women could anonymously post warnings about men they
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had dated. Oh yeah, one of Dorner's former partners posted
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a detailed description of his behavior during this period. And
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she didn't just say he was depressed. She described him
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as deeply clinically paranoid.
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Speaker 2: She said, he was constantly looking over his shoulder. He
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was completely convinced he was being watched, followed, or monitored
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by unseen enemies.
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Speaker 1: Right, it's the evolution of a grievance. It starts as
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a localized employment dispute, then becomes a depressive episode over
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a lost career, and finally, simmering in the isolation of
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the desert, it morphs into a paranoid.
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Speaker 2: Delusion where the LAPD isn't just an employer who fired him,
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but an omnipresent enemy force actively hunting him.
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Speaker 1: Yes, he starts projecting his own hostility onto the shadows exactly.
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But the most unsettling part is that for five long years,
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this grievance just stews. From twent thousand and eight to
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twenty thirteen, he's just out there in Vegas, boiling in
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his own paranoia. You almost wonder if it's just gonna
21:11
eventually burn out, like fe'll just fade into an angry
21:13
at quiet life.
21:14
Speaker 2: But it doesn't burn out.
21:15
Speaker 1: It solidifies, It solidifies, and in February of twenty thirteen,
21:18
it finally erupts, and it doesn't happen with a new
21:21
lawsuit or peaceful protest. It begins with a calculated, horrifying
21:25
act of violence against people who had absolutely nothing to
21:28
do with his firing.
21:29
Speaker 2: Because he had moved way past seeking legal recourse. He
21:32
was preparing for war right, and in warfare, you don't
21:35
just start shooting blindly. You establish your justification.
21:39
Speaker 1: You lay the groundwork, which brings us to February first,
21:42
twenty thirteen. A major television program receives a package in
21:46
the mail. The sender is Christopher Dorner.
21:49
Speaker 2: Inside is a DVD, and loaded onto this disc is
21:52
a massive, meticulously compiled file detailing his entire expulsion from
21:57
the LAPD.
21:58
Speaker 1: Igadine's Getler's late interviews, transcripts of his own conversations with
22:03
his superiors, the internal affairs documents. Five years later, he
22:07
is still aggressively insisting that he is not a liar,
22:11
and he's framing the LAPD as a fundamentally racist organization
22:14
that protects dirty cops.
22:16
Speaker 2: Now, if you are looking at this from a normal perspective,
22:18
you might think, Okay, he's frustrated. He's trying to appeal
22:21
to the court of public opinion, maybe hoping a journalist
22:23
will vindicate him and he can get his job back. Right,
22:26
that's what a normal person would think, and that assumes
22:27
he still wanted to be part of the system. He didn't.
22:29
The records make it clear he had zero interest in
22:32
being a police officer anymore. This DVD was not a
22:35
plea for a job. It was a castas belly.
22:38
Speaker 1: A costas Billy expand on that, how does that apply here?
22:40
Speaker 2: Well, it's a Latin term used in international relations, meaning
22:43
an act or event that provokes or is used to
22:47
justify a war. Okay, before nation launches a military offensive,
22:52
they will often formally present their grievances to the international
22:55
community to say, look at what they did to us,
22:57
this is why we are forced to attack.
22:59
Speaker 1: Wow.
23:00
Speaker 2: Dorner was executing the domestic individual equivalent of that doctrine.
23:05
He was formally establishing his justification for the public record
23:09
before he initiated lethal combat.
23:11
Speaker 1: He was filing his paperwork before starting the war. Exactly
23:14
because just two days later, on February third, the violence begins,
23:18
and the way it begins is so shockingly brutal, so
23:21
completely devoid of any rational logic, that it sent a
23:24
shockwave of terror through the entire region.
23:27
Speaker 2: It was devastating.
23:28
Speaker 1: It was good to Irvine California. It's a quiet, affluent city.
23:32
Monica Kwan and her fiancee Keith Lawrence are sitting in
23:35
their vehicle outside a residential complex. They had literally just
23:38
gotten engaged forty eight hours prior to starting their lives,
23:41
and suddenly, out of the darkness, their car is shredded
23:43
by a massive barrage of gunfire.
23:45
Speaker 2: It was a textbook ambush, swift, utterly, unprovoked, and designed
23:49
for maximum lethality.
23:51
Speaker 1: The details of the crime scene are chilling. Both Monica
23:55
and Keith are struck multiple times inside the car, dying
23:59
in steae at the scene, but it's the final shots
24:02
that tell the police exactly what kind of killer they're
24:05
dealing with.
24:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, this wasn't random.
24:07
Speaker 1: After the initial barrage, the shooter walked up and delivered
24:10
a final, calculated shot to the back of the hedge
24:13
for both victims. This wasn't a gang drive by. This
24:16
wasn't a robbery gone wrong.
24:18
Speaker 2: The police knew it wasn't a robbery immediately because Monica
24:21
was still wearing her brand new diamond engagement ring. Nothing
24:24
of value is taken.
24:25
Speaker 1: Right, and investigators start looking at the victims, trying to
24:28
find a motive Monica was an assistant coach for a
24:31
women's college basketball team. Keith was a campus public safety officer.
24:36
Neither of them had any criminal ties. None, neither of
24:39
them had any connection to Christopher Dorner. They were just
24:41
two young people starting their lives together. So the police
24:44
are looking at an execution style double homicide with zero
24:48
financial motive, and they are totally baffled.
24:51
Speaker 2: They had to dig deep.
24:52
Speaker 1: They started interviewing family members, including Monica's father, Randall Kwan, and.
24:56
Speaker 2: That is where the sickening thread of this entire narrative
24:59
can You have to look at Randal Kuan's specific career history.
25:04
He had two defining roles. First, he was a retired
25:08
highly respected captain in the Los Angeles Police Department.
25:11
Speaker 1: Okay.
25:12
Speaker 2: Second, after retiring from the force, he transitioned into practicing law,
25:16
specifically taking on cases defending LAPD officers who were facing
25:21
disciplinary action or expulsion.
25:23
Speaker 1: And during Dorner's two thousand and eight internal affairs hearings,
25:26
Randal Kwan was the lawyer who represented him.
25:29
Speaker 2: Exactly.
25:30
Speaker 1: Okay, let me stop you right here, because this is
25:32
the moment where my brain just hits a brick wall
25:34
of total incomprehension.
25:36
Speaker 2: It's hard to grasp.
25:37
Speaker 1: I can understand being angry at Officer Evans. I can
25:40
understand being furious with the LAPD brass who fired him.
25:45
But Randal Kuwan was his defense attorney. He was the
25:48
guy hired to help him keep his job. Why on
25:51
earth would you launch a vengeance campaign against the institution
25:54
that fired you by executing the daughter of the guy
25:56
who tried to defend you. It makes absolutely no sense.
26:00
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense to a rational mind. You were
26:02
trying to apply logical, empathetic cause and effect to a
26:07
brain that has completely abandoned reality.
26:09
Speaker 1: It's just insanity.
26:10
Speaker 2: This is where we see the absolute darkest, most pathological
26:15
aspect of Dorner's paranoia. Its total institutional blame.
26:20
Speaker 1: Oh so well.
26:21
Speaker 2: In Dorner's distorted reality, he was a flawless officer who
26:24
told the absolute truth. Therefore, it was impossible for him
26:28
to lose his case legitimately.
26:30
Speaker 1: I see.
26:30
Speaker 2: The only way he could have lost was if the
26:32
entire system, top to bottom was rigged in a massive conspiracy.
26:36
Speaker 1: So he didn't see Kwan as a lawyer who lost
26:38
a tough case. He saw him as a sleeper agent
26:41
for the police.
26:42
Speaker 2: Exactly because Randon Kuan used to be an LAPD. Captain
26:46
Dorner convinced himself that Kwan's true loyalty remained with the department.
26:50
He believed Kwan intentionally sabotaged his defense to protect the
26:54
thin blue line.
26:54
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
26:55
Speaker 2: He viewed his own lawyer not as an advocate who failed,
26:58
but as a traitor who actively conspired to destroy his life.
27:02
And when a mind is operating on that level of
27:05
narcissistic vengeance, the goal isn't just elimination, it is to
27:09
inflict the maximum possible psychological devastation.
27:13
Speaker 1: So killing Randall Kwan wouldn't have been enough.
27:15
Speaker 2: No, because killing Kwan just ends Kwan's life hy But
27:19
murdering his daughter, especially a daughter who had just gotten engaged,
27:21
who was just starting her life, ensures that Randal Kuan
27:25
has to live every remaining second of his life in unimaginable,
27:28
suffocating agony.
27:30
Speaker 1: That is just horrible.
27:32
Speaker 2: It is the tactical application of emotional torture. It shows
27:36
a complete and utter abandonment of basic human morality.
27:39
Speaker 1: It is just deeply, deeply sickening. So the local police
27:42
are standing at this crime scene in Irvine. They have
27:45
no witnesses. They suspect the killer used a silencer a
27:48
suppressor on the firearm, because no one in the quite
27:51
complex reported hearing the massive volley of gunfire.
27:54
Speaker 2: Which explains how he slipped away so cleanly.
27:57
Speaker 1: Right, they are scratching their heads wondering what kind of
27:59
fan would target a retired captain's daughter with such surgical precision.
28:05
But they didn't have to wonder for long. No, they didn't,
28:07
because the very next day, February fourth, Dorner decided to
28:11
introduce himself to the world.
28:12
Speaker 2: He had initiated the combat, and now he was broadcasting
28:15
his manifesto.
28:17
Speaker 1: He posts a document online from a room he'd rented
28:20
at the Inn Sweet Hotel in Manhattan Beach, and to
28:23
call it a manifesto almost under sells it. It was
28:26
an eleven thousand words, sprawling, chaotic document addressed to the public,
28:31
the police, and the media.
28:33
Speaker 2: It is massive.
28:34
Speaker 1: Right near the top, he openly and proudly confesses to
28:38
the murders of Monica and Keith. He acknowledges that people
28:41
who knew him as that quiet, polite neighbor are going
28:44
to be shocked.
28:44
Speaker 2: He knew how he was perceived.
28:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, he anticipates the media will paint him as a monster,
28:50
but he attempts to reframe the narrative, claiming that these
28:53
executions were a necessary evil required to clear his name.
28:56
Speaker 2: Think about the massive cognitive dissonance required to type those words.
29:00
Speaker 1: It's widdled.
29:01
Speaker 2: His core grievance is that the Lapd unfairly tarnished his
29:04
honor by calling him a liar. His grand solution to
29:07
prove he is a man of integrity is to ambush
29:09
and murder an innocent young couple in cold blood and
29:12
write it off as a necessary evil.
29:15
Speaker 1: It is the definition of a shattered moral compass exactly.
29:17
And the document doesn't just look backward, you know, it
29:20
lays out a terrifying roadmap for the future. He vows
29:24
to hunt down anyone and everyone connected to his two
29:26
thousand and eight expulsion.
29:28
Speaker 2: The list was long, but it wasn't just.
29:30
Speaker 1: The officers and the internal affairs investigators on his list.
29:33
He explicitly, chillingly stated that he would target their spouses
29:38
and their children. He included a specific hit list.
29:41
Speaker 2: Of names, and then there was the other list.
29:43
Speaker 1: Right right next to this list of people he planned
29:46
to murder. He includes a bizarre list of people he
29:50
is going to miss, saying goodbye to friends by name,
29:53
and even lamenting the fact that he won't be around
29:55
to watch certain movies that were coming out.
29:57
Speaker 2: From a tactical profiling standpoint, that this list is the
30:01
most important part of the document for law enforcement. Why
30:04
is that it tells him everything they need to know
30:06
about his endgame. When a heavily armed suspect writes a
30:09
list of earthly things they will miss, they have already
30:12
accepted their own death.
30:13
Speaker 1: Oh wow, he had.
30:14
Speaker 2: No exit strategy. He wasn't planning on hijacking a plane
30:17
to a non extradition country. This was a suicide mission. Arrest, surrender,
30:23
or a negotiated standoff were never on the table. He
30:26
was going to fight until he was killed.
30:28
Speaker 1: That makes him so much more dangerous. Now, as we
30:31
dive into this eleven thousand word text, there is a
30:34
very specific, surreal element we.
30:36
Speaker 2: Have to address the pop culture stuff.
30:38
Speaker 1: Yes, Interspersed among these graphic threats of violence against police families,
30:43
Dorner included huge blocks of completely random political and cultural commentary.
30:48
He essentially used the Manifesto as a blog to review
30:51
pop culture and praise various public figures.
30:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, the text is littered with high profile names from
30:57
across the spectrum.
30:58
Speaker 1: He writes paraging people like Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and
31:02
Chris Christy. He shouts out George Bush and General David Petraeus.
31:06
He talks about his admiration for Tupac Shakur, Bill Cosby,
31:09
Anthony Bourdain, and Charlie Sheen.
31:11
Speaker 2: And here we really need to pause for a second
31:13
and talk directly to you, the listener. Whenever we read
31:16
a document like this, it's vital to process it correctly.
31:19
We are laying out exactly what he wrote in this
31:22
source material to give you an unfiltered look into his mind.
31:26
But we have to be incredibly clear. We do not
31:28
endorse any of the views he expressed. And more importantly,
31:32
none of these politicians, whether they are on the left
31:34
or the right, nor any of these celebrities, have absolutely
31:37
any connection to Christopher Dorner or his actions.
31:39
Speaker 1: Exactly. It's crucial context. We aren't bringing up Hillary Clinton
31:44
or George Bush or Anthony Bourdain to suggest Dorner's violence
31:48
was politically motivated by their platform.
31:50
Speaker 2: It obviously wasn't.
31:51
Speaker 1: No, we're highlighting this because reading this manifesto is a
31:55
profound cognitive whiplash. You're reading a paragraph where a man
31:59
coldly promised to murder the children of police officers. Yeah,
32:02
and in the very next sentence he is casually reviewing
32:05
his favorite TV chefs and giving bipartisan shadows.
32:08
Speaker 2: It is bizarre, disjointed noise, and it perfectly illustrates the
32:12
completely fractured, chaotic state of his mind. He was completely
32:16
detached from reality.
32:17
Speaker 1: He's completely gone if we pull.
32:19
Speaker 2: Back and look at the macro picture. This manifesto reveals
32:22
the central tragic paradox of Dorner's entire campaign. Throughout the
32:28
eleven thousand words, he repeatedly hammers home his primary motivation,
32:32
which was I want to clear my name right. He
32:34
wants to prove he wasn't a liar. He wants the
32:36
world to know the laped is corrupt. But he's entirely
32:40
blind to the fact that the second he pulled the
32:42
trigger on Monica and Keith, his original grievance ceased to
32:45
exist in the eyes of the world.
32:47
Speaker 1: He essentially took an eraser to his own argument completely.
32:50
Speaker 2: You cannot clear your name of a false statement charge
32:52
by becoming a domestic terrorist. Obviously not in his delusional narrative,
32:57
he was a wronged, righteous night striking back at a
33:00
corrupt empire. In reality, the violence instantly and permanently eclipsed
33:04
whatever point he was trying to make. He didn't clear
33:06
his name. He cemented his legacy as a mass murderer.
33:10
The public didn't care about the two thousand and seven
33:12
Internal Affairs Review anymore. They just saw a monster killing innocence.
33:16
Speaker 1: But with that manifesto published online, the dynamic of the
33:20
situation fundamentally shifts right. His face, his name, and his
33:24
vehicle description are now broadcast on every news channel nationwide.
33:28
Speaker 2: The secret was out.
33:29
Speaker 1: The element of surprise, which allowed him to slip in
33:31
and out of Irvine undetected, is gone. The hunter is
33:35
now simultaneously the most hunted man in America, and what
33:39
follows is a period of absolute, unprecedented chaos across southern California.
33:44
Speaker 2: The scale of the manhunt was staggering. Every single local, state,
33:48
and federal law enforcement agency in California went on maximum
33:52
high alert. They were hunting a ghost, but crucially a
33:56
ghost who had their blueprints. He knew their radio protocols,
33:59
he knew their shift changes, he knew their tactical responses.
34:02
Speaker 1: But despite all this supposed tactical brilliance, you know, all
34:04
this military training and insider knowledge. The very first move
34:08
he makes after going public is remarkably, almost comically incompetent.
34:12
Ah the boat, Yes, the boat. He knows he's a
34:15
want of fugitive now, so he drives down to San
34:18
Diego and decides his best move is to hijack a
34:20
boat and flee south into Mexico by sea, which is
34:23
a choice. He goes to a marina and targets a
34:26
man named Klorobi Blee, who happens to be eighty one
34:28
years old. Dorner pulls a gun on this elderly man,
34:32
forces his way onto the boat, and orders him to
34:34
captain the vessel out to open water toward Mexico.
34:37
Speaker 2: Which highlight a glaring gap in his operational planning. Fleeing
34:41
a massive dragnet by sea requires highly specific nautical skills
34:46
stials that apparently his time in the Navy Reserve did
34:49
not equip him with right.
34:50
Speaker 1: Because here is where the elite military mastermind image falls
34:54
apart completely. Dorner's trying to get the boat detached from
34:57
the dock quickly, he grabs the heavy mooring rope tying
35:00
the boat.
35:00
Speaker 2: To the pier, and this part is just unbelievable.
35:03
Speaker 1: Instead of tossing the rope safely onto the wooden dock,
35:06
he panics or just acts carelessly and throws the rope
35:09
directly into the water near the back of the boat.
35:12
The heavy rope instantly gets sucked into.
35:13
Speaker 2: The boat's propeller just tangles it right up.
35:15
Speaker 1: It tangles completely around the drive shaft. The engine stalls out,
35:19
completely disabled. The boat is literally tied to itself in
35:22
the water, incapable of moving. His grand nautical international escape
35:27
is foiled by his own inability to untie a boat.
35:30
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a moment of sheer incompetence. It is frustrated, panicked,
35:34
and realizing his escape route is dead, he ties up
35:37
the eighty one year old man, steals his cell phone
35:39
so he can't call for health immediately, and flees back
35:42
into the city on foot. But this botched hijacking is
35:46
a massive tactical error because it confirms to law enforcement
35:50
that he is still in the immediate region and that
35:52
he is desperate.
35:54
Speaker 1: And now the clock is ticking loudly. Because the LAPD
35:57
has read the manifesto, they know exactly who is on
36:00
the hit list, and they have scrambled to place all
36:02
those targets, the officers and their families under heavy two
36:06
hundred and forty seven police protection.
36:08
Speaker 2: They're trying to lock the city down.
36:09
Speaker 1: The department is essentially trying to build a human shield
36:12
around its own. We jump to the early hours of
36:15
February seventh. It's roughly one am. One of the high
36:18
value targets from Dorner's list is moving through the city
36:21
with the two officers' security escort at tension. Right there
36:24
during this escort, a silly named Lee McDaniel flagged down
36:27
the officers at a gas station. He frantically tells them
36:30
he just saw a man matching Dorner's description driving a
36:33
vehicle nearby.
36:34
Speaker 2: This creates an agonizing tactical dilemma for those officers. Their
36:38
primary mission is VIP protection, but they are presented with
36:42
a credible sighting of the most dangerous fugitive in the state.
36:46
Speaker 1: What they do?
36:46
Speaker 2: They make the split second decision to temporarily leave the
36:50
escort subject in a secure location to investigate the tip.
36:53
Speaker 1: They roll out to the location McDaniel pointed out, and
36:56
there it is a gray two thousand and five Nissan
36:59
Titan pickup truck, the exact make, model and color released
37:04
in the bulletin for.
37:05
Speaker 2: Dorner heart stopping moment.
37:06
Speaker 1: The officer slowly pull up behind it to investigate. Suddenly
37:10
the truck stops in the middle of the street. The
37:12
driver's side door swings open, and Christopher Dorner steps out.
37:16
Speaker 2: And this is the moment where the theoretical fear of
37:18
fighting a trained insider becomes a terrifying reality. A normal suspect,
37:23
upon seeing a police cruiser behind them, will either speed
37:25
off in a panic or surrender.
37:27
Speaker 1: But Dorner does neither.
37:28
Speaker 2: No, he steps out of his vehicle holding an assault rifle,
37:32
and he is already planted in a stable military firing stance,
37:35
aiming directly at the windshield of the police cruiser.
37:38
Speaker 1: The officers in the cruiser hesitate, maybe just for a
37:41
fraction of a second, but when you are facing a
37:43
trained marksman, a fraction of a second is an eternity.
37:46
Speaker 2: That's all it takes.
37:47
Speaker 1: Dorner opens fire. He unleashes a rapid controlled barrage of
37:52
bullets right into the police vehicle. The gunfire is so
37:55
intense and accurate that one of the bullets actually grazes
37:58
the forehead of one of the officers. Both cops desperately
38:02
dive down beneath the dashboard for cover. Unable to return
38:05
effective fire, Dorner empties his magazine, calmly gets back into
38:09
his truck and speeds away into the night. Miraculously, both
38:13
officers survive, and the immediately radio in the ambush officer
38:18
under fire the suspect is actively engaging.
38:21
Speaker 2: That radio call changes the entire complexion of the night.
38:24
The adrenaline, the fear, and the hyperfigilance within the police
38:27
ranks instantly spiked to maximum levels. They aren't just looking
38:30
for a fugitive hiding in an alley anymore. They know
38:33
there is a heavily armed rogue operator actively hunting marked
38:36
patrol cars on the streets.
38:38
Speaker 1: And the terror is justified because just minutes later, the
38:42
patrol activity in the region is at an absolute fever pitch.
38:46
Another police vehicle, completely unrelated to the first ambush, is
38:49
stopped at a red.
38:50
Speaker 2: Traffic light, wrong place, wrong time.
38:53
Speaker 1: Inside or two officers, including a man named Michael Crane.
38:57
Suddenly they see a large, heavily armed man approaching their
39:00
vehicle on foot. It's Dorner, but this time he has
39:04
escalated his tactics. He is no longer just using standard ammunition.
39:09
He has loaded his rifle with armour piercing rounds.
39:12
Speaker 2: We really need to explain exactly what that means mechanically,
39:15
because it's a terrifying escalation. Good standard ammunition used in
39:18
handguns or civilian rifles usually features a lead core. When
39:22
a lead bullet hits a kevlar ballistic vest worn by
39:25
an officer, the kevlar fibers catch and deform the soft lead,
39:28
stopping it from entering the body.
39:30
Speaker 1: It flattens out right right.
39:32
Speaker 2: Armor piercing rounds, however, are designed with a hardened steel
39:36
or tungsten core. They don't deform, They're specifically engineered to
39:40
slice right through kevlar vests, and they possess the kinetic
39:43
energy to punch cleanly through the reinforced steel doors and
39:47
engine blocks of police cruisers.
39:49
Speaker 1: Wow, So the officers inside that car, relying on their
39:52
vests and their vehicle doors for protection, are essentially sitting
39:56
in a paper box.
39:57
Speaker 2: Exactly.
39:58
Speaker 1: Dorner opens fire systems radically fires thirteen armour piercing rounds
40:02
directly into the patrol car. Officer Michael Crane is struck
40:06
multiple times and dies at the scene. The second officer
40:09
is also severely wounded by the gunfire, but thankfully survives
40:13
after being rushed into emergency surgery. Just brutally, having successfully
40:16
executed a police officer in the middle of the street,
40:19
Dorner flees into the night. Once again.
40:21
Speaker 2: I want to highlight why this specific type of violence
40:24
is so deeply destabilizing to a city.
40:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that.
40:27
Speaker 2: Cases where a criminal actively surgically hunts and targets law
40:30
enforcement are exceptionally rare. Generally, criminals commit a crime and
40:34
then try to avoid or flee from the police. They
40:37
don't seek them out to initiate a gunfight. And it's
40:40
crucial to understand that Christopher Dorner does not fit the
40:43
typical profile of a modern mass shooter.
40:45
Speaker 1: How does he differ?
40:46
Speaker 2: A typical mass shooter is usually looking for a soft
40:49
target a school, a shopping mall, a movie theater. Their
40:53
primary goal is to inflict the highest possible body count
40:56
on defenseless civilians, to generate widespread terror or infamy.
41:01
Speaker 1: Right maximum casualties.
41:02
Speaker 2: Dorner's violence, however, was surgical, tactical, and entirely grievance field.
41:07
He wasn't spraying bullets into random crowds. He was explicitly
41:11
hunting the system itself, and that terrifies authorities far more
41:15
because suddenly the protectors are the prey. The very symbols
41:18
of their authority, their badges, their uniforms, the black and
41:20
white cruisers have become giant bullseyes.
41:23
Speaker 1: And that terror completely fractured the discipline of the LAPD.
41:28
We have to talk about the collateral damage of this manhunt,
41:31
because the panic within the police force became almost as
41:33
dangerous to the public as Dorner himself. I look at
41:37
this like a localized fog of war descending on Los Angeles.
41:40
Speaker 2: That is the perfect analogy. The fog of war refers
41:43
to the uncertainty, confusion, and impaired judgment that occurs during
41:47
high stress combat.
41:48
Speaker 1: The police were so desperate, so utterly paralyzed by the
41:51
fear of this phantom who was picking them off, that
41:54
their years of tactical training just evaporated under the adrenaline.
41:58
On two separate horrifying occasion during this manhunt, LAPD officers
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literally machine gun civilian vehicles completely unprovoked, mistakenly believing Dorner
42:08
was inside.
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Speaker 2: It was pure panic. Let's look at the parameters. Here,
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the bulletins said they were looking for a very large
42:13
black man driving a gray Nissan Titan pickup truck.
42:16
Speaker 1: Right, and in one of these incidents, officers were guarding
42:19
a target's house, a truck slowly drives down the street.
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The officers open fire, unleashing a hail of bullets. But
42:26
the vehicle they shot up wasn't a gray Nissan Titan.
42:29
It was a blee Toyota Tacoma.
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Speaker 2: A completely different make, model and color.
42:34
Speaker 1: And the people inside weren't a two hundred and sixty
42:36
five pound former football player. It was a seventy one
42:39
year old Hispanic woman delivering newspapers and her daughter. The
42:43
police riddled the truck with bullets. The older woman was
42:47
shot in the back and her daughter was injured by
42:49
shattered glass.
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Speaker 2: It's a miracle they survived.
42:51
Speaker 1: In a second, entirely separate incident, shortly after, police rammed
42:55
and opened fire on a black Honda ridge Line driven
42:59
by a white man simply because they thought it looked suspicious. Luckily,
43:02
he wasn't hit.
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Speaker 2: This is the terrifying, cascading secondary effect of domestic terror.
43:08
When the institution tasked with maintaining order and protecting the
43:11
public is pushed into a state of blind survival level panic,
43:15
they become a massive danger to the very people they
43:17
are sworn to serve.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were shooting his shadows.
43:20
Speaker 2: Firing dozens of rounds into a blue truck driven by
43:23
two women because you are so terrified of a gray
43:26
truck driven by a massive man shows a complete total
43:29
breakdown of target identification and engagement protocols. Their prefrontal cortex
43:34
is shut down. They were operating purely on fear.
43:37
Speaker 1: It paints a picture of a city on the absolute
43:39
razor's edge. The tension was unsustainable, but Dorner, with his
43:44
tactical background, knew he couldn't wage an urban war against
43:48
the entire mobilized police force in the streets of Los
43:50
Angeles forever. The sheer numbers would eventually overwhelm him.
43:54
Speaker 2: He knew how this would end.
43:56
Speaker 1: His manifesto made it clear he knew so. After setting
44:00
the city on fire metaphorically and literally, he vanished into
44:04
some of the most unforgiving terrain in California.
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Speaker 2: He transitioned from an urban warfare environment where the police
44:10
hold the advantage, to a rugged wilderness survival scenario where
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his military endurance could level the playing field exactly.
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Speaker 1: We moved to the morning of February seventh, around eight
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thirty am, authorities finally locate Dorner's gray Nissan Titan, but
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it's not in the Labyrinth of La It is found
44:26
about one hundred and thirty kilometers away up in the
44:29
San Bernardino Mountains near Big Bear Lake.
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Speaker 2: That's a huge shift in terrain, and the truck.
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Speaker 1: Has completely destroyed. It has been burned out.
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Speaker 2: The location is critical here. Big Bear is a mountainous,
44:39
heavily wooded region, and at this specific time in February,
44:43
it was blanketed in heavy snow and facing freezing temperatures.
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Speaker 1: Inside the charred, smoking remains of the truck, investigators sift
44:50
through the ashes and find the remnants of his arsenal.
44:53
They find two weapon parts compatible with an Air fifteen
44:56
style assault rifle. They find parts for a glock semi
45:00
automatic pistol, a large survival knife geared up for the woods,
45:03
and they find the remnants of a campsite, a burned tent,
45:06
a cooking pot. But most terrifyingly, they find hundreds of
45:10
rounds of ammunition scattered all around the vehicle that had
45:13
actually detonated and exploded due to the intense heat of
45:16
the fire.
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Speaker 2: The forensics teams and tactical commanders look at the scene
45:20
and draw a very clear tactical conclusion. He didn't die
45:23
in that fire. He intentionally torched the vehicle. Setting the
45:27
truck on fire serves two purposes. It destroys any DNA
45:30
or forensic evidence left inside, and the exploding ammunition creates
45:34
a massive diversion keeping first responders away while he slipped
45:37
away on foot into the snow covered.
45:39
Speaker 1: Wilderness, and the conditions he forced the police into were
45:42
absolutely grueling. Think about the logistics of a winter manhunt.
45:46
It was freezing cold, the heavy snow severely hindered vehicle access,
45:52
meaning that heavily armored SWAT teams and search units couldn't
45:55
just roll up in their bear cats.
45:56
Speaker 2: They had to walk.
45:58
Speaker 1: They had to conduct this manhunt on foot, trudging through
46:01
deep snow and freezing weather. You have this heavily armed
46:04
fugitive with military survival training, and now the environment itself,
46:08
the white out conditions, the freezing temperatures, the dense woods
46:11
is acting as his camouflage and his defense.
46:14
Speaker 2: The elements were on his side.
46:15
Speaker 1: Helicopters with thermal imaging FLR are struggling because the thick
46:20
tree canopy and the snow scattered the heat signatures. The
46:23
authorities are so desperate knowing he has the tactical upper
46:26
hand in the woods, that they go on television and
46:29
offer a massive one million dollar reward for any information
46:32
leading to his capture.
46:34
Speaker 2: For five agonizing days, he just completely disappears into the
46:37
white out. The physical toll on the searching officers was immense.
46:41
Facing the freezing climate, the rugged nature, and the constant
46:44
psychological dread of walking into an ambush behind any tree
46:48
added a massive layer of difficulty to an already near
46:51
impossible operation.
46:52
Speaker 1: Five days pass, five days, the entire region holding its
46:57
collective breath, waiting for the ghost to strike again, and
47:00
then the final escalation occurs. It's February twelve. Karen and
47:05
Jan Reynolds, a civilian couple who own and manage several
47:08
vacation cabins in the Big Bear area, go to check
47:11
on one of their empty properties, and that's when it happens.
47:13
As soon as they unlock and open the front door,
47:15
they're violently overpowered by a massive man wielding a gun.
47:19
It's Christopher Dorner.
47:20
Speaker 2: He hadn't been surviving in a snow cave. He had
47:22
been hiding in plain sight, breaking into the empty vacation
47:25
cabins to use them for shelter and warmth while the
47:27
police searched the freezing woods around him.
47:29
Speaker 1: He forces the couple inside and ties them up. But crucially,
47:33
and this is an important psychological detail, he doesn't physically
47:37
hurt them, He just restrains them. Once he has them secured,
47:41
he takes the keys to their vehicle and flees the cabin. However,
47:44
the Reynolds are resilient. Shortly after he leaves, they managed
47:48
to break free from their restraints and immediately call nine
47:51
one one.
47:52
Speaker 2: This is the massive break the police desperately needed. The
47:55
fog of war lifts. They now have a confirmed real
47:59
time sit, an exact location, and most importantly, a description
48:03
of a newly stolen vehicle.
48:05
Speaker 1: A high priority radio alert goes out at twelve twenty pm,
48:08
and the police aggressively scramble helicopters and ground units to
48:12
flood the mountain roads.
48:13
Speaker 2: You're closing the net.
48:14
Speaker 1: But Dorner knows the dragnet is closing in and he
48:16
starts panicking. During his escape down the mountain roads in
48:19
the Reynolds stolen car, he's driving recklessly. He hits a
48:22
patch of snow or ice, loses control, and violently crashes
48:26
the car into a tree. The vehicle is totally disabled,
48:28
so he's stranded, so he kicks the door open, steps
48:31
out onto the road, heavily armed, and spots another vehicle
48:35
driving down the mountain. He raises his rifle, aiming at
48:38
the driver. He's executing a carjacking, right in the middle
48:41
of the road.
48:42
Speaker 2: And right here amidst the chaos of a massive manhunt,
48:45
we witness another one of those bizarre, deeply unsettling contradictions
48:50
in his behavior.
48:51
Speaker 1: Yes, this blew my mind reading the files. The driver
48:54
of the car, terrified, puts his hands up and gets
48:57
out of the vehicle as ordered. He frantically begs Dorner
49:01
for one thing. He asks if he can get his
49:03
dog out of the back seat before Dorner takes.
49:05
Speaker 2: The car, and Dorner's reaction is just wild.
49:08
Speaker 1: Dorner, a man who just days ago coldly executed an
49:11
innocent young couple, a man who has ambushed police officers
49:14
with armour piercing rounds, actually agrees. He lowers his weapon.
49:18
He patiently waits. He lets the man peacefully retrieve his dog,
49:22
tells the man he has absolutely no intention of harming him,
49:24
and then jumps into the vehicle and speeds off.
49:26
Speaker 2: It is this surreal, jarring moment of empathy and restraint
49:30
in the middle of a hyperviolent rampage. It makes no sense,
49:33
but it perfectly highlights his deeply fractured, highly compartmentalized moral compass.
49:39
In his mind, he can justify brutally murdering Monica Kwan
49:43
because she fits into his twisted narrative of vengeance against
49:47
the LAPD. But this random guy on the mountain and
49:50
his dog, they're outside the parameters of his perceived war. Right,
49:56
he doesn't see them as part of the corrupt system,
49:58
so he treats them with a baz Czar level of
50:00
civilian courtesy, completely ignoring the fact that he is traumatizing
50:04
them by hijacking them at gunpoint.
50:06
Speaker 1: But this car swap, while polite, confuses the police search
50:10
for a crucial few minutes. The helicopters are scanning the
50:13
roads looking for the Reynolds vehicle, but Dorner is now
50:16
speeding away in the dogwalker's car. However, you can't outrun
50:20
a mobilized police force in the mountains.
50:21
Speaker 2: Forever No Eventually they catch up.
50:23
Speaker 1: The police ground units eventually spot the new vehicle. Dorner
50:26
realizes the roads are blocked. He can't drive out of
50:28
the mountains, so he abandons the car, grabs his arsenal,
50:32
and flees on foot into a large wooden, unoccupied cabin.
50:35
Speaker 2: Nearby, and this is where the final apocalyptic standoff begins.
50:39
Speaker 1: The police units converge on the cabin, quickly forming a perimeter.
50:43
As they close in, they aren't sure exactly where he
50:45
is inside, but Dorner doesn't hide. He doesn't wait for negotiations.
50:50
He opens fire from the windows.
50:52
Speaker 2: It comes out swinging.
50:53
Speaker 1: He unleashes a hail of bullets at the approaching officers.
50:56
Two deputies are hit and fall bleeding heavily into the snow.
51:00
One of them, Detective Jeremiah McKay, is fatally struck and
51:04
dies almost instantly. The second officer is critically wounded, pinned
51:08
down in the snow, but ultimately survives after a grueling rescue.
51:12
Speaker 2: I want you to put yourself in the tactical boots
51:15
of the police officers forming that perimeter in the snow.
51:17
You are heavily armed, you have extensive swat training, you
51:20
have overwhelming numbers, and you have air support. But you
51:23
are lying in the snow watching two of your colleagues
51:26
bleed out in front of you. It is the terrifying,
51:29
demoralizing realization that all the tactical superiority in the world,
51:33
all the numbers, are barely enough when you are facing
51:36
a highly trained rogue insider who knows your playbook and
51:39
has absolutely nothing to lose. He knew how they would approach,
51:42
and he exploited it.
51:43
Speaker 1: That image of the downed officers in the snow inspired
51:46
deep fear, but it also cemented a hardened, unyielding resolve
51:51
among the tactical units there. They weren't going to let
51:54
him escape. Dorner used the cover fire to gain a
51:57
few minutes. He retreats deep into the interior the cabin,
52:00
barricades the heavy doors, and just starts blindly, continuously firing
52:05
his high powered rifles through the walls in all directions
52:08
to keep the police pinned down.
52:10
Speaker 2: But the tactical commanders know the reality of the situation.
52:13
They have him cornered. He has a lot of weapons,
52:15
but he doesn't have infinite ammunition. More Importantly, he doesn't
52:19
have the resources to survive a protracted, days long siege
52:24
in a freezing cabin.
52:25
Speaker 1: The police dictate the pace. Now, one tactical team starts
52:28
preparing tear gas deployment, while another negotiator gets on a
52:31
high powered megaphone and repeatedly orders Dorner to surrender, telling
52:35
him the cabin is surrounded.
52:36
Speaker 2: But he doesn't answer.
52:38
Speaker 1: No. Dorner doesn't respond with words, he just responds with
52:41
more gunfire. So the police commanders make the call to
52:44
force fully breach the structure. They bring up a heavy
52:47
armored demolition vehicle basically a modified bulldozer, and they use
52:51
it to literally smash down the outer walls of the cabin,
52:54
tearing the structure apart to remove.
52:56
Speaker 2: His cover, just ripping the walls down.
52:58
Speaker 1: As the walls come down, a specialized tactical team moves
53:01
in fast, launching CS gas grenades through the fresh openings
53:05
deep into the house.
53:06
Speaker 2: And we really need to explain the mechanics of these
53:08
gas grenades. They aren't just emitting harmless smoke. CS tear
53:12
gas canisters are often pyrotechnic. They burn extremely hot to
53:16
disperse the chemical agent. When you launch multiple pyrotechnic canisters
53:21
into a wooden cabin filled with dry materials, the risk
53:24
of fire is incredibly.
53:26
Speaker 1: High, and that's exactly what happens.
53:27
Speaker 2: The introduction of the gas canisters and the intense heat
53:30
immediately ignites the structure. A fire breaks out inside the cabin, and,
53:35
fueled by the draft from the broken walls, begins spreading rapidly.
53:38
Speaker 1: The smoke starts billowing out. The flames quickly engulf the roof,
53:42
and as the fire starts to entirely consume the building.
53:45
Over the deafening sound of the crackling flames, the shouting officers,
53:49
and the idling armored vehicles, a single, distinct final gunshot
53:54
is heard echoing from inside the burning cabin.
53:57
Speaker 2: But as the forensic source is explicitly note, this final
54:01
projectile was not fired outward toward the police perimeter.
54:04
Speaker 1: The fire burns uncontrollably for the rest of the night,
54:07
reducing the large cabin to ashes. The police maintain the perimeter,
54:11
but there is no more gunfire. By the time the
54:13
firefighters can safely move in and put out smoldering embers,
54:16
the scene is just as smoking, black and ruin, nothing left.
54:19
The next day, investigators carefully sift through the debris. In
54:23
the ashes, they find the melted remains of his massive arsenal,
54:26
multiple assault rifles, high capacity pistols, semi automatic weapons, and
54:30
a point three zero eight caliber bolt action sniper rifle.
54:33
And amidst the weapons, they find the charred remains of
54:35
Christopher Dorner.
54:36
Speaker 2: And it's the coroner's report that provides the definitive factual
54:40
conclusion to the physical violence. Despite the massive, overwhelming barrage
54:45
of bullets fired by the police during the shootout, Christopher
54:48
Dorner was not struck by a single piece of police gunfire. Really,
54:51
the official cause of death was a single gunshot wound
54:54
to the head, completely self inflicted. Faced with the flames
54:58
and the reality of capture, he ended his own life.
55:01
He died by his own hand.
55:03
Speaker 1: He ended his own war in the ashes of that cabin.
55:06
But here's the part of the story that I honestly
55:08
think is the most deeply disturbing aspect of this entire
55:11
deep dive. Because while the physical threat of Christopher Dorner
55:14
was neutralized on February twelfth, twenty thirteen, a truly toxic,
55:18
bewildering cultural phenomenon was just beginning to take root in
55:22
the public consciousness.
55:24
Speaker 2: The creation and the rapid spread of the anti hero myth.
55:26
Speaker 1: Exactly when you look back at the public reaction to
55:29
this case, especially online, there was a horrifying realization that
55:33
a vocal segment of the public actually began to idolize
55:36
Christopher Dorner.
55:37
Speaker 2: It was disturbing to watch.
55:38
Speaker 1: They completely ignored the bloodshed. We are talking about people
55:43
literally tattooing his face on their bodies. They began creating
55:47
fan pages portraying him as a righteous martyr, a vigilante
55:51
who bravely sacrificed himself to fight back against a corrupt
55:54
system and exposed deep seated racism and discrimination within the LAPD.
56:00
Speaker 2: Zero warship was heavily fueled by the rapid spread of
56:02
conspiracy theories. Some of his most fervent supporters claim that
56:06
the police intentionally maliciously burned the cabin down with him inside,
56:11
as an act of extra judicial revenge.
56:13
Speaker 1: It's totally ignoring the facts.
56:14
Speaker 2: This narrative completely ignores the tactical realities of pyrotechnic gas
56:18
deployment during a firefight, and more importantly, it wilfully ignores
56:22
the coroner's finding of a self inflicted gunshot wound, but
56:25
the facts didn't matter. The narrative to cold.
56:27
Speaker 1: This raises a massive flashing red warning light for our society.
56:31
I really have to ask, how does the society become
56:34
so fundamentally frustrated, so deeply cynical and distrustful of its
56:38
own institutions that people will literally cheer for a man
56:41
who did what Dorner did.
56:42
Speaker 2: It is a profound and dark psychological phenomena. What you're
56:46
seeing is anti authoritarian sentiment becoming completely unmoored from empathy
56:52
and objective reality. It's terrifying when large groups of people
56:55
feel disenfranchised, when they are angry at the state or
56:58
feel that the justice system is fundamentally broken, they desperately
57:02
look for a vessel to channel that frustration. Dorner's manifesto,
57:07
his loud claims of exposing racism, corruption, and the thin
57:11
Blue Line, provided them with a convenient banner. They projected
57:15
their own grievances onto.
57:16
Speaker 1: Him, but they had to willfully intentionally blind themselves to
57:20
the innocent blood covering his hands.
57:22
Speaker 2: To do it exactly to uphold the narrative of Dorner
57:25
the martyr or Dorner the hero, you have to perform
57:27
incredible mental gymnastics. To completely erase his actual victims from
57:31
the story.
57:32
Speaker 1: You have to ignore everything he actually did.
57:34
Speaker 2: You have to ignore the fact that he terrorized and
57:37
kidnapped an eighty one year old man on a boat.
57:39
You have to ignore that he forcefully tied up an
57:42
innocent older couple in their cabin. You have to ignore
57:45
the grieving families of the police officers he ambushed, and
57:49
most brutally of all, you have to completely erase Monica
57:52
Kwan and Keith Lawrence.
57:54
Speaker 1: We have to ground ourselves back in those brutal, undeniable facts.
57:57
I want to say this clearly to anyone who ever
57:59
ran a forum post and bought into the Dorner myth.
58:02
Monica Kwan was not a corrupt police officer. She was
58:05
a college basketball coach.
58:06
Speaker 2: Yeah.
58:07
Speaker 1: Keith Lawrence was a campus officer, but he had never
58:09
even met Christopher Dorner. He had absolutely nothing to do
58:12
with the internal affairs dismissal process. There were two young people,
58:17
deeply in love, engaged for just forty eight hours, sitting
58:20
quietly in their.
58:21
Speaker 2: Car, just starting their lives.
58:23
Speaker 1: And their lives were snuffed out with calculated bullets to
58:26
the back of the head, simply because Christopher Dorner wanted
58:28
to Cousmonica's father emotional pain. There's no heroism in that.
58:32
Speaker 2: None, Whether he was treated unfairly by his employer or
58:36
not in twenty eight. By twenty thirteen, he was nothing
58:38
more than a cold, calculating murderer. He used the self
58:42
serving excuse of clearing his name to justify dragging an
58:46
entire city into chaos, putting countless innocent civilians in moral danger,
58:51
and executing people who didn't even understand why they were
58:54
being targeted in their final moments.
58:56
Speaker 1: In the official sealed reports of the LAPD Internal Affairs Division,
59:00
Christopher Dorner is still listed as a liar, but now,
59:05
because of his own horrifying actions, the titles of thief, kidnapper,
59:09
domestic terrorist, and murderer have been permanently etched into his legacy.
59:13
Speaker 2: He sought justice through a rifle scope, and he delivered
59:16
nothing but profound tragedy.
59:18
Speaker 1: So let's pull all these dark threads together. Today we
59:20
explored the life of a man whose entire psychological framework,
59:23
his self worth, and his mental stability were built on
59:26
a single monolithic institution, and when that institution rejected him,
59:30
whether fairly or unfairly, in his own mind. He didn't
59:33
process the grief.
59:34
Speaker 2: No, he did move on. He weaponized every ounce of
59:37
elite training they ever gave him against them. He destroyed
59:41
innocent lives, he paralyzed one of the largest and most
59:44
heavily defended cities in America, and he ultimately died in
59:48
the ashes of his own consuming paranoia.
59:51
Speaker 1: And analyzing this case leaves us with a profound, chilling
59:54
final thought to mull Over. The Dorner case forces us
59:58
to reckon with how we consume track and true crime,
1:00:01
especially in the modern digital age.
1:00:03
Speaker 2: What do you mean by that?
1:00:04
Speaker 1: When a killer leaves behind an eleven thousand word manifesto
1:00:08
perfectly tailored for Internet consumption, complete with political shout outs,
1:00:12
pop culture references, and anti establishment buzzwords. How do we
1:00:16
prevent their self serving, manipulative narrative from drowning out the
1:00:20
absolute truth of their cruelty.
1:00:21
Speaker 2: That's a great question.
1:00:22
Speaker 1: This case challenges you to critically question every anti hero
1:00:26
narrative you see trending online, because beneath the slick rhetoric
1:00:29
and the performative anti establishment posturing, there is almost always
1:00:33
an innocent person who paid the ultimate bloody price for
1:00:36
someone else's ego. You know we started this deep dive
1:00:38
talking about a file wall. The lapd is a fortress
1:00:42
designed to keep danger out, but Dorner proved the terrifying
1:00:46
reality of the modern world when the danger comes from within.
1:00:50
When the guard holding the keys decides to burn the
1:00:52
castle down, the walls offer absolutely no protection at all.
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Thank you for joining us on this deep dive. Keep
1:00:57
asking questions, keep challenging the narrative you counter, and we'll
1:01:01
see you next time.