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Who Will Fill The Bears' Leadship Vacuum? · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Wendy city podcast featured by fan side of course you know our guy right here that is Alex Shapiro I am kind of Davis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We hope you all have all your fingers And didn't injure anything with our warning of the fourth celebration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alex, if anybody doesn't know just put it up I made it all his digits are there Alex real quick you took a trip to the woods you went up Yeah, but how'd that go?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was great man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was restored.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My my cup was filled up with the smell of pine air and visions of bald eagles hunting in the lake swimming swimming in lakes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love the north woods.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an extremely special place to me went through a couple of buddies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we just had a wonderful time in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: an extremely small cabin extremely far north of here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it sounds like a good time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get out and do more stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to make it my mission as I grow into a older man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, getting close and closer to a half a century.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, drinking beer is next to fire, just sitting next to fire under the stars.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hard to beat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hard to beat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What sounds like, it sounds like we do that for myself and we do another side for my family because also need some self-time, need a little bit of kin time just to recharge my batteries and just set your cup run-of-follow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We did T's this episode last week and it was about leadership if you didn't see last week's episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just a thought that crossed my mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was why I would record a product
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but it's one of the things that I feel like is bearish fans and take a step back and keep people in the media that sometimes we discuss or sometimes we under appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a better way for me to be true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to say talk about how.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Certain people within on the Bears roster within the organization have shaped what looked like a turnaround next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to see if they continue this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rekker B. Dan will strengthen the schedule as long as they have a winning record wheel and we'll address that when we cross that after the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But a player that stood out to me when I thought about it was offensive guard, Joe Thudney.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like the bears have been in the wilderness when it comes to offensive linemen, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've always complained about people say, well, they need this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'd be like, they need everybody and stuff like, no, they're all right, basically, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of how we're looking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We hoped, Lairborn, Lieutenant Jenkins were going to solve and problem didn't happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of that is also coaching, because I'll throw this caveat in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know a times that the Office of Lime was banged up under Matt Nagy, and I still think it may have lacked a clean leader that could have also, maybe helped them, but also when you depleted you're depleted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there were at least two years where that office line got decimated, and by the end of the year, whatever bandage they put together, they formed it, drilled it to a unit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if we don't care about that time or whatever, there are times when that coaching staff and those players did something, but it still wasn't enough, but that also comes in with how they were coached because the run wasn't featured as prominently as it should have been during that night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: always run the football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, always.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always going to be that run the football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to go to what Joe Thuny and my opinion in Alicipinia has brought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes you don't have to be necessarily super boisterous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely it's an example guy, but I think sometimes this lead by example isn't enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying like, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you know, you see players and it's like you can kind of play that I'm not a boy sure's got to leave by example.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think you have to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: give out some information or explain why.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a better way for me to put it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Explain why you do certain things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the offensive line last year made such a leap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they had like what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: 64 stocks, the season prior to that, and they had 20 something last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I put a lot of that on Joe Thunney.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think about the fact this too?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Thunney was working with a rotation and next to him at left tackle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You had at least four different people start
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, including Ted, he ended up being part of that rotation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have Jones, you had, um, Benette.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Triple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pillow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And did, what did Newman come in and play?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think he was not found.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, too, it was the fourth, uh, Jordan McFadden played left guard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Newman, what's Newman got in the right arm?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right guard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He played right guard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Alex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this was a sickness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is actually an illness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can the Davis that I can remember who play what this is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, this is a not normal nor healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't recommend committing to memory or what Jordan McFadden and Luke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, who all the backup right and left guards were over the course of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny and it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just sitting here reading an article and it was from BGO.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was from Anthony Miller and it just popped up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just put bears in the Google search and a Tony article popped up right and I just want to have this quote that he added in here from
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[SPEAKER_00]: from Tom Brady.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says this is about Joe Boone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, I used to call him Louis Tunes, but Joe was like a third round pick for us and he played tackle it in C state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We moved him to guard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He started the rookie and Joe came in and we embraced it and he embraced it all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He and David Andrews, next to him a few times at the center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was just a perfect size.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Strength, you know, probably they had the longest arms, but it didn't matter, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just goes on to talk about how good Jocelyn was, basically since he was a rookie coming to the New England Patriots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's another thing too when you're talking about leadership.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You had two other greatest football coaches of all time and with Bella check with Andy Reed,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have two of the greatest quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you have arguably to go to quarterback in Tom Brady and you have baby go in Patrick Mahomes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just, I mean, so think about the professionalism Jokdo needs very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In our fairness, I'm like, Jokdo only hasn't been around a lot of bullshit bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that things don't happen in these organizations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I'm talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a level of expertise and perfection that you have to live it around to be a Super Bowl when they're consistently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not talking about these aren't organizations that want to Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These were organizations that were contending every single year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's not just forget that Kansas City was about the three people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we forget about things that that quickly, but KC was about to, in football y'all, it's about the three-year heat in that bad boy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's not forget the six rings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know Joe threw me wasn't there for all of them in England, but the six rings in New England, that Bill Chick and Tom Brady together, more to kill you more Tom Brady than Bill Chick, if you kind of look towards the end of that battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we look to the box then yes, Tom Brady.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Tom Brady proof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm I'm the guy by the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was, I think it was at the beginning of let's say this, I had something to do with it, not not a system quarterback first five years of Brady starting, I can get lean more towards Belice, but once Brady is far away, toe to toe with Peyton Manning, and it wasn't all right, New England's defense, it was like we got a quarterback that can rival you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it was Brady.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Superbly 110-3 or whatever the score was against the ramp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Balachick, that's a Balachick dub.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There have been some Brady doves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a Balachick doves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been crazy guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, when you, and again, the Algae Bryant Ryan posed, I'll give this more to Ben Johnson, who will be the last person we discussed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think I can't give it to Ryan, polls because we wait for Ryan polls to do something for the office of line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as far as a cap money,
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[SPEAKER_00]: being used.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He always wanted to keep his power dry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But last year, it was the aforementioned Jonah Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, the trade from the Rams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was also going out in a signing jrudalman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and make it him one of the highest paid centers in NFL, fortunately he felt the need to step away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That says business wishing the best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, it was Darnell taking down our right, taking the step that we've been waiting for in the take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's really what this is why this is important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think Darnell right takes that step without a level of professionalism on our offensive line that he had not been around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, the culture change, but like I think that like now your versus like he, we see least Alex Rubin and we can't we know how frequently athletic he is for a right time.
9:20
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, the guy's a dancing polar bear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's out there catching wheel route passes like grand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the talent is there, but the know-how and the commitment to consistency, you know what I'm saying and now you've got real guys in there, you've got Joe Thooney, you've got Dahlman, so that was one thing too, and Philips, that was some games Dahlman was in his ass, had it to him, but there was still a level of consistency when it seemed like they all kind of got it in me jail, and that's one of the things, that's a lot of reason to me why.
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[SPEAKER_00]: under Maddie Berfu's, there was your problems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know they committed to run the football, but also the commitment was because you had a freakishly athletic quarterback who always kind of threw the defense off and then allowed the run-and-back to get yars because you had to pay attention to what Justin feels was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When they unlocked, hey, the pastor from Ohio State, which is going to run him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, all it went, Justin had to live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that part where Justin, his rookie season got really rewarding for his life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Running for us like, didn't know what he was doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, you know what I can do that against these super superior athletes, I can outrun majority of them, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that opened up Matt Eva Fuce's run game to where they were one of the better running teams, but they wasn't using the run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't combining the run in the past game properly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But she wasn't married up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't married up like eight day Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mary's it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a part of the offense for a reason with what Ben Johnson is trying to set up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that, to me, was really the thing was Darnell, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I felt like Jackson Dom and of course, Tiffany brought, but also what that led to as it's your pillow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'll just kill a beginning in camp.
11:03
[SPEAKER_00]: This dude is not even a left talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got to just let him stay on the right side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is too much information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you got time to sit back, relax, watch these guys too and how they get down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you come in, you're coming because one,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, your left guard next to you is a Hall of Famer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's a difference between we both on the left side fighting for our inner center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's not forget the center is a problem too, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not, it's not center guard tackle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we all have found for our lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, they come in at my ass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They know he's a Hall of Famer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This dude hopes to one day become a Hall of Famer, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at least I know from right on this side, he got this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just got a really pretty attention to this outside and poor people bull-rushin' right ass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, that's what my commitment is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, it's, I'm not as worried about the action technique.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do your job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do your job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do your job because you know the man next to you is do your job, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They talk about that all the time and football, especially on the offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just need five guys doing their job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We hear about it on defense too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do your job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you start trying to do your job, while worried about somebody else's job,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where things fall apart and you're absolutely right when you've got these guys who are so steady in the middle when, you know, whoever the left tackle is playing next to Joe Toney, I know Joe Toney's doing his job, I can simply do my job and that's, that's when things really come together, it's it's, that's the simplicity of it, that's the simplicity of it when when you just have 11 dudes do in their job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then on the offensive line, when you have five dudes doing their job, that's when an offensive line goes from a bad offensive line or an average offensive line, to a good and very good offensive line, because I do think the bears offensive line last year was very good, was very good at times, especially after that first quarter of the season because you just had five guys do under job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you got almost, of course it's makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you take four guys, check five guys and four of my plans close to a proble level, y'all face the line should be kind of good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You should be able to cover up for the guy that's not playing at that level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, now this year, I'm gonna keep with Joe, but it's also gonna play into Ben Johnson this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm gonna point out the differences that my opinion between the talent selection and the draft strategy in the past and compared to now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Drew Dahlman decides to retire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know the importance of center and you go and you get reverberate reverberate reverberate, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in the thing that you all know watching this show, Alex now wanted to center, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you go and you decide to go to, hey, a place for if you want a five guys and a tight end,
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you go to Iowa, all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they went to go to Utah, Iowa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason that this is important is if you're looking down the road and also knowing that Joe's gonna retire sooner or later and you're gonna have to install some leaders around here to care to carry this ship and you bring in Logan Jones, a phenomenal center who got it early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So some of the similar to the stuff I said about a Joe Thunie and with the Patriots to how Tom Brady realized,
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you are about, Logan Jones, little old down in Iowa, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason, again, to me, where there's a difference and Alex, you got the, and it's gonna be back because you're better, like you said, you remember all that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the Texas kid running back that they drafted two years ago through that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was cleaning up the bottles?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're still on the social team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, he might, he might be cleaning up at Hall right now to make sure it's all clean and tidy for training camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how he's been this time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not falling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The earth is door bottles to be checked up at Hell's Hall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Roach on Johnson is your guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and the reason why I'm breaking up Rochon Johnson, we know he was down there with B. John, so he didn't get the amount of tick that he would have got, but looking at, you know, you look at the kit that's got drafted by Seattle that played behind love, which is very pricey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you hope you're getting something because you're the whereas in this venues, and you hope you can strike lightning in the bottle, particularly when you're coming out
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[SPEAKER_00]: with Rochon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was such a feature on his intangibles rather than his tangibles, all right, and it's, and one of the things that we've always said, that sounds good, but you know, also have to play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we've never been all boys to all boys scouts in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, man, you got to have a couple of guys on your team that you got to reel back a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, just not all of us, but a few cats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that are a little bit on hands, but as long as they stay hands while we need them, all right, they can participate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is, this is actually where I was hoping to take this conversation next, because the bears have their joutonies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have there, you know, who falls in the footsteps of
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, on the defense, I'm trying to think of who that would be, you know, the lead by example guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The lead got used to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It used to be, you know, not the most vocal of dudes, but you also need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: not only vocal dudes, you, you mean vocal dudes like Kevin Byrd, who is vocal, it's kind of like the D&D chart, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like chaotic, good, or chaotic, good, lawful good, you know, like Kevin Byrd for lack of a better term was like vocal, good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you also need vocal,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Grady Jarrett said, I need to talk less and focus on my playing more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin Byrd, it was that Kevin Byrd's gone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You had a little vocal MFER in CJ Gardner, Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You had a little vocal MFER in Jekwann Brisker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who is that you need a vocal MFER?
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[SPEAKER_01]: on the offensive line as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tavern Jenkins wasn't the most vocal dude, let's say, but on the field, that dude was nasty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was a mean, you know, just wasn't on the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He just wasn't on the field enough, but when he was on the field, he wanted to like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: take the soul out of his opponent's body and you would see that you know like finishing with a guy in the dirt and then give him another one in the ground just for a good measure just be like I want to make sure you just block who is that so that's my question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Joe Tune is here Ben Johnson we love the leadership from Ben Johnson he's got a little bit of that I'm effort he's got a little bit of that I'm effort which is good yes, but who who's going to be the player kind of Davis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: who's going to step up and when things aren't right, he's going to tell people things aren't right and this is unacceptable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is still a vacuum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be Bush in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin Bush, I don't know enough about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be Bush, I mean, and also you're talking about,
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[SPEAKER_00]: your lead linebacker is one of the guys who want to be vocal also.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
18:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So if particularly how he plays down the amount of speed that he plays with, but your point, you're going to, because I mean, chances not going to be a rookie and dealing with the enemy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be Kobe Bryant, but he still has to get into them with these players.
18:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you mentioned Kevin Bire, Kevin Bire to been here for what three seasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm saying was that was four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Three, two, because he played into a, he played into like an option in a half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had been here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had been, it was either three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it was least three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like, but he had played because remember he signed that deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember when he signed a deal and I was like, of course, he's going to want to say he wants to be here with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He played two seasons with the bears.
19:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad, you're good, you're good, you're good.
19:18
[SPEAKER_00]: He had, he had to become, you got an ingratiate yourself, a two-a-degree, right?
19:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that was the issue with the player I'll get into next, but I don't want to jump into that part.
19:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to, I want to, I want to go, keep going up, keep going up.
19:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you go back and maybe think about, and if we don't always have to fix it around a bear since it's a bear center podcast, it's easier memory-wise to do that.
19:39
[SPEAKER_00]: But you think about those old recruits offensive lines and he was both.
19:45
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
19:45
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the leader and the Right, he was he was both right, but you also had loose cannons that he could pull you you think about was with Fred, but who's the guy that they got into
19:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he think it was on or was it was Fred something I thought was a Fred Miller was it Rubin Brown.
20:05
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he didn't mess with Rubin Brown.
20:07
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't mess with it was not.
20:08
[SPEAKER_00]: It was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was right right.
20:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But you had a Ruben Brell, like, think you had a Ruben Brell, like you think about that, and how those offensive lines were, and now I'm not saying that this is not an applesauce comparison about those offensive lines, but the professionalism of this offensive line and having a Hall of Fame, a one of the better right left guards in the game, how it is helps spread out, and also still give props to what Jonah and Domin also brought to it.
20:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't hurt as much.
20:38
[SPEAKER_00]: It shouldn't hurt as much.
20:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me say that.
20:39
[SPEAKER_00]: with the guys that you're bringing in now.
20:41
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you about to say Alex?
20:42
[SPEAKER_01]: You were right.
20:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Fred Miller.
20:44
[SPEAKER_00]: What a ho-yeah.
20:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So um...
20:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It shouldn't hurt as much, right?
20:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you go to the fact that you have a coach that knows what he likes.
20:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, listen, I'm giving him his praise, but let's not forget, we're gonna talk about this draft class in the next few years.
20:58
[SPEAKER_00]: The years go on and see if you went too crazy with draft who you like rather than in sometimes, you got a factor in need and like together, right?
21:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, listen, this year, I'm put it like this.
21:08
[SPEAKER_00]: They lead a draft in the first five rounds.
21:11
[SPEAKER_00]: and they got past catches again.
21:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody was healthy and good this year.
21:16
[SPEAKER_00]: We gonna have an episode of Pearl Up at this world during the drive.
21:19
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, like I get, I get, okay, you got it now.
21:22
[SPEAKER_00]: You got it now.
21:23
[SPEAKER_00]: You drafted nothing.
21:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was, you know what I'm about to say.
21:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't find Ben, I don't find.
21:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on to Cody.
21:30
[SPEAKER_00]: If they're like, okay, after the season, Cody has one more year, what can we, and it's like, now you fought and it's like, you had drafted it again.
21:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be, it's going to be an issue.
21:39
[SPEAKER_00]: But you have been Johnson, who provides a North Star in direction that scouting unit, the prayer personnel, the gym, didn't necessarily have before, right?
21:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And we, it's funny talking about my
21:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, there was always a discussion on understanding about two guys learning at the same time.
22:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Now cross Ryan polls Ryan polls is not learning.
22:03
[SPEAKER_00]: He's learning difference, but he knows what his job entails now and his job actually may slightly tell a little bit less.
22:11
[SPEAKER_00]: because of your head coach knowing what he desires and maybe that's also a thing he didn't get out of Matt Eberflux, particularly on an offensive side.
22:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I say this, maybe he didn't listen to Matt Eberflux, because I'm sure Dan will.
22:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Eberflux was like, I need an F and three technique and round pose was like hell, no, right for some odd reason.
22:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I give you a Jurban Dexter?
22:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a draftman for you, all right, but, but you sit there and you have Ben Johnson showing you, all right, this is how my offense works, having the ability and I like the fact that you said he's an MFR.
22:44
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't, we know he's a book guy, but we also know he's a football guy too, and he's a guy who's going to challenge his team and then you think coaches do that in general, but also in the press with how he's talked about kind of the Gordon's availability, which is just the truth.
23:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And we can be, and that means everyone, I'm not trying to say that we can be sensitive, but believe me, things are better if people don't beat around the bush.
23:11
[SPEAKER_00]: If you know where you stand is, because then you know what you stand, you got to change it.
23:16
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're given the right amount of time to try to change it.
23:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
23:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
23:19
[SPEAKER_00]: If you, but compared to not knowing where you stand and not knowing what your the North Star needs to be for you to hold on or progress in whatever job or whatever you're taking part in, you read much rather someone's shoot you straight.
23:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know you can hurt your feelings, but believe me, it's better.
23:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Take it from someone growing in an age.
23:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's better.
23:38
[SPEAKER_00]: That way.
23:38
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
23:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Get out of your feelings.
23:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course you have, you have that guy.
23:43
[SPEAKER_00]: and Ben Johnson.
23:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's growing.
23:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, he may be the one.
23:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, you know if y'all have been watching us.
23:50
[SPEAKER_00]: We've even been Johnson people.
23:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm damn there, I'm ahead of the bus, but anybody that's really been with us through the years have been a single's been Johnson pretty much, right?
24:00
[SPEAKER_00]: He's here, and he damn sure seems like the guy we thought he was at this point, right?
24:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And they'll be funny to see how you'd continue to grow the football in the second year as an NFL head coach.
24:10
[SPEAKER_00]: The flip side of that, and what they were trying to do last year, you already mentioned this part of this name.
24:15
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, I think they're trying to do that with great jerk.
24:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Someone who, you know, has been on the team that almost want to speak in the top idiot of pages, should have won a Super Bowl.
24:26
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, has been on the team that should have won a Super Bowl.
24:30
[SPEAKER_00]: and blew it dramatically, but still I'm happy in one of the better players in the league.
24:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's been on an easier development downside, but he thought because he's been a lockerer who guy could lead in the locker room.
24:43
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about how and you've mentioned in the get here, Grady Jers says, you know what, I need to, but I need to take a step back because I'm basically draining my energy tanks during the week.
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: when I need to be saving up for the game.
24:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope in saying that he's not talking about, and I don't think he is not being a leader, but the real thing is one, and this is with anything.
25:03
[SPEAKER_00]: If you play anything of known anything, man, you can't lead if you're not on the field and you damn sure can't lead if you're not available, you never play with this team.
25:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You know like that's a that's a whole different.
25:14
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a difference for him.
25:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been a pro bowler here for three seasons and I'm hurt this year And yes, you guys still got to get it done out there, but you trust me.
25:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been a leader So you can listen to me too compared to I'm just getting here.
25:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of y'all like last he here You know, I'm saying for cyclists he's playing the job position.
25:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm saying and then he's banged up and it's just like Okay
25:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So that I think that was the vision of Grady Jarrett and you didn't get a chance to do it, and now we still have to see if it can happen.
25:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And you would hope so because again, they didn't do anything with the interior defensive line.
25:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Grady Jarrett can play really above average consistently.
25:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have a closer to Grady Jarrett.
25:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Just look close.
25:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need you to.
25:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need you to be Grady Jarrett six years ago.
26:02
[SPEAKER_01]: But can you be closer to that guy?
26:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if he can do that, it can really boost that defense of line, because I mean, my test sweat is decent, he's above average, right?
26:13
[SPEAKER_00]: He just has to be more consistent, and we all think Austin Booker could maybe be a guy.
26:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not to mention, you know, Schmarterner, I'm not going, I'm not the Dio guy, even though I think I would have a time.
26:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like Dio said the age will last year, and I felt like his second effort for the quarterback was decent.
26:34
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
26:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think he's a decent second ever guy.
26:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, I think he was noticeable.
26:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if he wasn't finishing all the time, there were moments where he was noticeable around the quarterbacks, which I don't get paid for being around the quarterback, but he was around the quarterback.
26:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, get ready to pressure.
26:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel he, I would be feeling much better if Austin got starter reps. Let me put it like that.
27:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care who starts, but I will feel better because I think of being both for me as better suited in the rotation than starting.
27:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is also if he's supposed to be a kick-in guy being using that situation a little alone passing down.
27:16
[SPEAKER_00]: to try to go after on the quarterback.
27:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to actually see something like that when it comes to Dennis Allen this season.
27:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Since you're basically lining up the same, the physical linemen that you lined up last season.
27:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I give you a couple of names who I think could be?
27:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Candidates, I would like to see, develop further into MFR leaders because this team does have a lot of good guys.
27:41
[SPEAKER_01]: This team for a long time has had a lot of good guys.
27:44
[SPEAKER_01]: on the defense, and this has been talked about a little bit, and similarly, you can't lead if you're not on the field last year, you kind of lost on that opportunity.
27:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Jalen Johnson, for me, I think it's time for Jalen Johnson, you are a veteran.
27:59
[SPEAKER_01]: You are one of the best players on this team, Montes, sweat like, I don't know that that's his game.
28:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Montess what is not a vocal guy.
28:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I am not going to force Montess what into that if he is clearly from my opinion.
28:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm speaking for myself to me.
28:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems clear that he doesn't want that type of spotlight.
28:17
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
28:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Just go get us 11-6 and you don't got to talk that much.
28:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay with that.
28:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Jalen Johnson talks.
28:24
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a good talker.
28:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Jalen Johnson sees himself as the best corner back in the league.
28:32
[SPEAKER_01]: He, like, bring on Jumar Chase, bring on Justin Jefferson, bring on who can to Kua.
28:41
[SPEAKER_01]: That is his mindset, which is phenomenal.
28:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly what you want on the CB1.
28:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He's talked about wanting to talk a little bit more.
28:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, he was hurt last year.
28:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he could be a guy who could step into that vocal.
28:55
[SPEAKER_01]: mean fire everybody up.
28:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Roll.
28:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that could be good for both him and for the bears.
29:03
[SPEAKER_01]: On the offense, it's interesting.
29:04
[SPEAKER_01]: There are fewer candidates, I think.
29:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Cole Comet, obviously vocal good, vocal nice guy.
29:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Joe Toney, lead by example guy.
29:14
[SPEAKER_01]: What about Luther burden?
29:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it too early for Luther burden to step into a leadership role?
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Can a sophomore take a leadership role?
29:23
[SPEAKER_01]: He's clearly on the field.
29:24
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be on the field even more and he produced a ton.
29:28
[SPEAKER_01]: If he continues to catch footballs, how do you feel about Luther burden as a young guy stepping up to be a vocal leader?
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't see that out of
29:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams is obviously leader, but like I think quarterback is like a different type of leader quarterback that's your general that's your you know that's that's kind of a different ball game like obviously your quarterback is a leader, but it's kind of a separate thing so who else who else and it to me I see that some of those traits that I think Luther burden could be a good vocal leader on this football team and we will see how that develops what do you think Kenneth.
30:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I like to move the burden one, I like the maturity, and we've talked about it here where you know, we dropped in the draft due to what some people would say was a lack of their love when it comes to maturity.
30:23
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you see the dog that he has in and how he's trying to prove those people wrong and get to more brilliant, I mean you have to like I have to see what it happens during a year.
30:33
[SPEAKER_00]: After see also how the burden handles success.
30:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that's something.
30:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So it'd be funny.
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think he would be a candidate for that.
30:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll I'll get I get two other guys And this is a best case scenario.
30:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love if Rome would become that guy because that would mean that Rome is bald because I think that would like if Rome Because I think Rome has I don't think he I think you can talk to him, but not just do it all the time You know what I'm saying like
31:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he, but, you know, it's not, oh, he's not all in all the time, but I'll give you a guy that to me could be interesting, and that's what is coast in love with.
31:10
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a little swag.
31:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the reason Alex, that's the reason right there because he has some swag to him and he's going to produce, you know, I'm saying like he's going to produce, he's going to be a guy fan base is going to love him.
31:24
[SPEAKER_00]: If he can be a top five, tiny in he's a Chicago, he built Chicago bear tidy and producing all right, and that's all because he's not a bad looking guy.
31:33
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to start in the hallmark movie man, he kidding me.
31:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually don't know that to be true, but he was in the Instagram video saying.
31:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm cool, some loveland.
31:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he going to be the romantic lead?
31:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been one of them to focus way more.
31:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, get to that young Travis Kelsey stuff later.
31:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, we don't talk about Travis Kelsey and I love Kelsey type, like a flame joint that he used to, you know, all the antics of what Travis Kelsey gets to that a little bit later, but definitely I think those are some of the guys.
32:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But also, look, and this isn't up into first players are always, you always got to have players running the show.
32:14
[SPEAKER_00]: If a coach is running the show all the way, that's an issue.
32:19
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, they have the foundation set because they have a great coach.
32:24
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm saying like that, that helps because when he hits the fan, particularly a coach, one needs a great coach.
32:30
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a very good coach.
32:31
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not great yet.
32:32
[SPEAKER_00]: He has that one season.
32:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me bring that back.
32:34
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's one thing to have Mike Tomlin, who can set the toll.
32:39
[SPEAKER_00]: There's another thing to have.
32:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Andy Reed, assuming they is better way for me to praise that.
32:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Assuming they who can also come up with the strategy.
32:51
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
32:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and the bears on the offensive side haven't had that in our lifetime.
32:58
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
32:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Like an offensive guy that can set to strike.
33:01
[SPEAKER_00]: They've had defensive guys, but to be honest, the defensive guys, the system was plug and play
33:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, are we covered too?
33:08
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, like, yeah.
33:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Lovey Smith was not really revolutionizing.
33:13
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna blitz more.
33:15
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
33:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the have a guy that's scheming up game to game, always to get it done.
33:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It's offensively let alone, it's something that we have been neglected as a fan base here when it comes to Chicago Bears.
33:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything else you want to add?
33:34
[SPEAKER_01]: No extra point for me today, do you have an extra point, kind of Davis?
33:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, time is an extra point.
33:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I was sitting here thinking about today is the 10th of July.
33:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And my daughter's birthday is going to be coming up.
33:53
[SPEAKER_00]: My birthday is a little bit farer.
33:55
[SPEAKER_00]: But it hit me that next month,
33:59
[SPEAKER_00]: maybe a week later at this time, my son will be starting a senior year high school.
34:05
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
34:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually thought about you.
34:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought about my friends with young kids and how I'm right here at the end of this part, this chapter, right?
34:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm beginning up another one when it comes to him.
34:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And just time waits for no one.
34:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm saying, this is the thing of myself.
34:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And even when we open this up, and I talk about taking trips like someone else did with my former self and with my family, don't waste it as much as we waste it.
34:32
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, it flies by and fill it with something.
34:35
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my extra form.
34:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to wax poetic too much about it.
34:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Fill it with something.
34:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It's better feel.
34:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Fill it up with something, man.
34:43
[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of I know we always got things we can play in about and a lot of those things is we can change but it's difficult to do so.
34:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So do both try to change the stuff around you stop in it.
34:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this is for real.
34:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop in it.
34:57
[SPEAKER_00]: You know it.
34:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop.
34:58
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
35:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Be compassionate and just fill your time with something.
35:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's our extra point for for today.
35:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Get a hobby.
35:08
[SPEAKER_00]: That's simply a night can be on a nice and nice one.
35:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Go outside.
35:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's beautiful.
35:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Such grass.
35:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Such grass.
35:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Touch grass.
35:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Touch grass.
35:20
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, for Alex.
35:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go touch grass.
35:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go touch grass.
35:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Kenneth.
35:24
[SPEAKER_00]: You're welcome.
35:25
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Alex Shapiro.
35:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of famous.
35:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I'll fan side it.
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