Latest / Back In The Closet - Two Crazy Cat Ladies / DEATH as Sacred Medicine with Dr. Isla Fishburn

Transcript

DEATH as Sacred Medicine with Dr. Isla Fishburn · Back In The Closet - Two Crazy Cat Ladies

• 0:00
  Before we start this awesome episode, we got to give a shout
• 0:02
  out to our friends and sponsors at Pet Greens.
• 0:05
  Yes, this is like our cats five star salad bar.
• 0:08
  Right, they nibble on their organic cat grass like it's
• 0:10
  fancy hors d'oeuvres before every meal.
• 0:12
  Yeah, and honestly, it's really an important part of their
• 0:15
  routine as well. It helps with their digestion
• 0:17
  and it even helps with those hairballs.
• 0:19
  Yeah, it does. And it's totally organic.
• 0:21
  No pesticides, herbicides or any of that junk.
• 0:24
  No, just super healthy greens that bring the outside in and
• 0:27
  help our indoor cats thrive inside.
• 0:30
  You can find Pet Greens on Amazon, Chewy, Petco, PetSmart,
• 0:33
  PSP and for our Canadian listeners at Pet Value too.
• 0:37
  OK, so now let's get to. The.
• 0:53
  Podcast. Welcome back in the closet with
• 1:00
  the 2 Crazy Cat ladies. We are joined today by a very
• 1:06
  special guest. First time to the podcast.
• 1:09
  We have been fangirling for actual years around this
• 1:14
  beautiful soul here with us today.
• 1:17
  You guys, Doctor Isla Fishburne is here with us.
• 1:20
  She is legend. She is a light all around the
• 1:23
  world. I, I cannot tell you how
• 1:26
  fascinated we've been with you for so many years.
• 1:27
  Like like Jay said, you have this incredible science
• 1:31
  background. I believe I'm probably not even
• 1:32
  going to remember all of it. But you.
• 1:34
  I did underground zoology. You have a PhD in conservation
• 1:38
  biology, you have psychology, and you are just this massively
• 1:44
  intelligent woman and then you have this incredible gift that
• 1:48
  you share with the world that's kind of like that science and
• 1:51
  the spirituality combined around animals, all around animals.
• 1:56
  It's just so fascinating. I'm literally vibrating right
• 1:58
  now that you are with us today. For anyone that may not already
• 2:02
  know, you know, your work have been impacted by you in some
• 2:05
  way. Can you share a little bit about
• 2:08
  your journey? How you how this?
• 2:11
  How you became so amazing. How you do what you do?
• 2:14
  Yes. Well, you know, mirror, mirror,
• 2:16
  my friends, if you see me as amazing, reflecting it back to
• 2:19
  you, you'll find amazing cells. Thank you so much for that
• 2:22
  beautiful welcome. And yeah, for anyone that
• 2:26
  doesn't know me, Hello. I am.
• 2:27
  Yeah. Doctor Isla Fishburne.
• 2:29
  My academic career is in zoology and PhD master's in conservation
• 2:35
  biology. And my, I guess how I got here
• 2:39
  now to working as Wow. What do I call myself?
• 2:43
  A grief tender, a medicine teacher, a shamanic teacher.
• 2:48
  I'm a soul worker, a soul activist.
• 2:50
  I channel animal and nature consciousness.
• 2:54
  And I've always had that connection, although it's taken
• 2:58
  me a while to realize like death has been knocking, has been
• 3:02
  chasing me like Pac-Man, like all of my life.
• 3:05
  And I never really realized this until kind of what I do now.
• 3:09
  So how I got here in terms of my story is long.
• 3:14
  Like it's been a long walk and it continues to be a long walk
• 3:17
  for me. But I was really fortunate when
• 3:20
  I was growing up. Again, as a child, you kind of
• 3:22
  assume the things that you have in life as a child everybody has
• 3:25
  access to. So at the back of our street had
• 3:27
  a beautiful nature reserve where I would always visit like I
• 3:32
  would get home from school. I had my absolute best friend.
• 3:35
  I was a bit of a bit of a geek at school.
• 3:37
  I didn't have that many friends, but my absolute best friend was
• 3:40
  my New Zealand white rabbit called Snowy.
• 3:42
  I really wanted a dog at the time and my parents worked
• 3:45
  really hard. So fortunately we didn't get a
• 3:47
  dog. But I had my beautiful best
• 3:48
  friend Snowy. And to me, like, I'm like, well,
• 3:51
  you're a rabbit, you're a mammal, therefore you've got 4
• 3:54
  legs, you're quite big. I'm just going to treat you like
• 3:56
  a dog. So I would take Snowy off down
• 3:59
  to this nature reserve that wasn't ours.
• 4:00
  Like there were other dog walkers around and he was never
• 4:03
  on leave, but he had the most perfect recall and we were just
• 4:06
  out walking together. And thankfully nothing bad
• 4:08
  happens to him by other dogs or from dogs.
• 4:12
  Because, you know, that would be a completely different story
• 4:14
  that I'd be sharing around trauma.
• 4:16
  But I do actually have trauma with Snowy.
• 4:19
  So there was a particularly that was off school and he luckily I
• 4:23
  was off soon because I knew he wasn't well.
• 4:25
  And I brought him into the house, into the lounge and I was
• 4:28
  just holding him, holding him, holding him, holding him.
• 4:30
  And he did this almighty scream, like he screamed like a human.
• 4:34
  It was harrowing, awful for an 8 year old to experience.
• 4:38
  And he died in my arms. And like my best friend was
• 4:41
  gone. Like right there, my best friend
• 4:43
  gone. And of course, I mean, I'm 44 in
• 4:46
  April and I was 8 then. So in that era, like we're not,
• 4:51
  many of us are still not trauma informed now, but in that era
• 4:54
  there was nothing about being trauma informed.
• 4:56
  You're an 8 year old child there, there.
• 4:57
  Never mind, it's a rabbit. Get on with it, you'll forget
• 4:59
  about it. And then literally 2 days later,
• 5:02
  my dad was cleaning out Snowy's hutch and his ball and his water
• 5:07
  bottle. And I was like, dad, what you
• 5:09
  doing? And he was like, Oh well, your
• 5:11
  mum's friend at school, well her little girl's got a rabbit now.
• 5:15
  So wouldn't it be really nice to give Snowy's belongings to them?
• 5:19
  And I'm like, and then anyway, that's happened.
• 5:23
  So it really, really early on, I guess I was in that deep
• 5:28
  traumatic grief and also trauma with grief and disenfranchised
• 5:33
  grief as well. Not that I knew these words at
• 5:35
  the time. And then it horrified me so much
• 5:39
  that I could never get another animal.
• 5:41
  I'm like, I'm going to get another animal that I'm going to
• 5:43
  fall absolutely in love with. They're going to transition,
• 5:47
  they're going to die when they're a year old.
• 5:49
  I can't deal with that ever again.
• 5:50
  So I actually spent a lot of my time really fearing death.
• 5:54
  And at the same time in a human, like as a human example, when I
• 5:57
  was still a kid, I was in town and there was a basically a
• 6:03
  young boy got knocked down by a bus and died in front of me.
• 6:06
  So again, as a try and nothing was done.
• 6:09
  No nothing. I went into shock, got taken to
• 6:11
  the hospital. But there, there, never mind
• 6:13
  you're a kid, you'll kind of get over it and forget about it.
• 6:16
  So early on in my life, I had this like, you know, creeping
• 6:20
  of, of death around me that was horrifying and traumatic and
• 6:24
  scary. And then I later on in my life
• 6:29
  when I was doing my PhD, actually my, my grandfather was
• 6:31
  dying and he wanted to die at home.
• 6:33
  And we're like, as a family, we're kind of doing it in rounds
• 6:36
  to just be with him. And there was a particular night
• 6:38
  that I just knew, like, I know, I know he's going to transition
• 6:42
  and I just said to my family, look, I'm going to stay with my
• 6:44
  granddad. I'm going to read to him.
• 6:45
  I don't know what I'm going to read.
• 6:48
  I was just me and him in the room on our own.
• 6:50
  And although he was unconscious, he he just sat up out of bed and
• 6:54
  he was like, that's it now not long to go.
• 6:56
  And I'm like, what do you mean granddad?
• 6:58
  And he's like, I've seen my grandma and granddad.
• 6:59
  They're waiting for me. So not long to go now Booth back
• 7:02
  down into into being unconscious.
• 7:04
  And then he transitioned a few hours later.
• 7:07
  But I was like, but what like you never said your mum and dad,
• 7:10
  you said grandma and granddad and like, who else is like, what
• 7:13
  are you seeing? Who else is there?
• 7:15
  So it really jumped me from this like death is really scary and
• 7:19
  I'm traumatized into like, what are you seeing and and who are
• 7:23
  you seeing and why grandma and granddad?
• 7:26
  So I, I really held on to that. And then after PhD in a, in, in
• 7:33
  a situation that actually I was in an abusive marriage.
• 7:35
  And during that abusive marriage, I experienced a near
• 7:38
  death experience myself, which again, I didn't have a divine
• 7:42
  intervention like you must go back to earth and teach this.
• 7:44
  I just, I was in this beautiful tunnel of light.
• 7:47
  And I remember it's like I was just lying flat, lying
• 7:50
  horizontal, and I was just going up this tunnel of light that was
• 7:53
  warm and thick. And I was like, ha, would you
• 7:56
  look at, would you look at this me dying here?
• 7:58
  And this is what it's like. But it there was, it was so
• 8:00
  peaceful. There was nothing.
• 8:01
  There was not a single like fear or worry or I'm a bad person or
• 8:06
  just peace. But then I came back down to
• 8:09
  earth. So again, I'm like, what was
• 8:12
  that? This something really peculiar,
• 8:15
  which I learned. I learned what, what it actually
• 8:18
  was later on. And then still I was in that
• 8:21
  abusive marriage and I and I was really close to taking my own
• 8:23
  life because I was just done. And I, I don't understand life.
• 8:26
  I I don't know how to get out of it.
• 8:28
  I don't, I just I'm done. And the two things that stopped
• 8:32
  me were my wolf dog, Tomcosilla, because she people would say
• 8:36
  she's reactive. I just say when an animal is in
• 8:39
  that state of reactivity, they're just struggling to cope.
• 8:41
  So she struggles to cope in many situations in her life.
• 8:45
  So I was like, look, if I take my own life, she's going to be
• 8:47
  destroyed. That is not fair.
• 8:50
  And but there was a woodland that I would visit every day.
• 8:53
  And I was sitting on this woodland, endless tree that I'd
• 8:55
  visit every day. And rather than growing up
• 8:58
  straight, it kind of grew out in an angle like this.
• 9:00
  So you could sit on it a little bit like the baby bouncer when
• 9:03
  you were a baby, right? And I would just sit in it and I
• 9:05
  get so much comfort. And so I was like, like just
• 9:08
  proper, like Bridget Jones movie type.
• 9:13
  And then I heard the words, you are enough.
• 9:15
  And I was like, oh God, it's the farmer behind me.
• 9:18
  So I stopped crying instantly, looked behind me to see the
• 9:21
  farmer who wasn't there. And I'm like, but I heard those
• 9:25
  words, you are enough. And I started crying again and I
• 9:30
  heard them again, You are enough.
• 9:31
  And I realized it was a tree, The tree that I'm sitting on
• 9:35
  literally just said, you are enough.
• 9:37
  And in that moment, I'm like, OK, there's something else about
• 9:40
  life that I don't have the answer to, but I, I want to
• 9:43
  explore this. And it really took me on a
• 9:46
  journey into, deep into my shamanic work really.
• 9:50
  That in that sense has really allowed me to go into the depths
• 9:54
  of of death of transition, really with our animal friends.
• 9:59
  So they've taught me so much about how transition really is
• 10:04
  what they want us to know, what they offer us for our grief in
• 10:08
  this space of it being a continuation.
• 10:12
  And that's kind of where I'm really at now of, of beautifying
• 10:15
  their transition and also our grief, which can be quite
• 10:19
  charged words to to speak of. I'm aware of that or can feel a
• 10:22
  bit like how can you beautify a transition to grief?
• 10:25
  But this is what I call the sacred medicine that our animal
• 10:29
  friends are are bringing us back to.
• 10:31
  And what I find so beautiful is so my dear wolf dog, Tom Casilla
• 10:35
  that also took me on this journey that taught me so much
• 10:38
  about transition when she was transitioning.
• 10:41
  Like some of the things I can share about what she did before
• 10:43
  she transitioned, but now that she transitions, I still work
• 10:47
  with her and my grandfather who transitioned that saw his
• 10:50
  grandparents who like I work with him.
• 10:52
  So in some of the transition work that I do, they also come
• 10:55
  in and I work with. So it's this beautiful
• 10:59
  continuation that is beyond what we can even think or what our
• 11:04
  minds can even contemplate. Wow, I was like, I'm enthralled,
• 11:09
  literally almost in tears and and I I don't cry.
• 11:12
  And I was just like, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry.
• 11:14
  Wow, what a what? A what?
• 11:17
  A beautiful. Journey.
• 11:19
  Yeah. Yeah, I, I feel like that you,
• 11:22
  you really summed it up at the beginning, talking about that
• 11:25
  trauma surrounding death. You know, I feel like our
• 11:29
  animals, we know that we've had teachers in our lives.
• 11:33
  It's just been one of those things that you can't, you
• 11:36
  can't, like you said, you can't like put it in black and white
• 11:38
  print and say, this is the, but we experience something that's
• 11:42
  so profound that we have to consider there's got to be
• 11:47
  something more, right? We, I think a lot of times when
• 11:50
  we experience death, especially when it's one of our beautiful,
• 11:54
  these beautiful companions that we get to share life with in a
• 11:56
  different way that we do with humans, right?
• 11:59
  There's this, there's a different kind of intimacy that
• 12:01
  it feels like we almost forget about all the joy of life when
• 12:06
  they have to leave. And so this podcast, this being
• 12:10
  able to talk about, you know, that we're talking about being
• 12:17
  able to talk about death as sacred medicine, this
• 12:21
  transition, what we call death. I, I know if, if someone would
• 12:26
  have said, you know, this is a this is a thing.
• 12:28
  There are different realms and you know, you can talk with
• 12:31
  nature and we're all, I would have not really known how to
• 12:36
  handle a conversation like that, right?
• 12:39
  Like 10 years ago. Right.
• 12:41
  And yet there's, I think within so many of us, especially when
• 12:44
  it's an experience that we have with with one of our cats, we,
• 12:48
  we long to know that there's something.
• 12:52
  OK, so I don't, I'm so there's so many things that you just
• 12:58
  said, however, that are either a book that we're reading or
• 13:00
  something that we've just seen or your near death experience.
• 13:05
  I mean, just and, and how that is something.
• 13:08
  There's this channel on Instagram that keeps popping up
• 13:10
  with people that have had and they describe almost exactly
• 13:13
  what you have just said. You know, how can it be
• 13:15
  something so universal if so many questions?
• 13:19
  Yeah. Adrian Adrian's obsessed right
• 13:22
  now. I'm.
• 13:23
  Juicy for this? I love talking about the
• 13:25
  subject. So, so I know this isn't
• 13:27
  necessarily like written down as far as questions we were going
• 13:29
  to ask, but Adrian is obsessed right now with near death
• 13:33
  experiences. So she is.
• 13:35
  She grew up a homeschooler and so also like in the geeky.
• 13:39
  World Catholic. Homeschooler, right?
• 13:40
  Orthodox Catholic, Very religious background.
• 13:45
  And so, you know, she has that she was trained in one way of
• 13:47
  thinking, just like all of us are, you know, in, in, in
• 13:50
  whatever way it is. And recently over the past, like
• 13:54
  I guess couple years really, she has been, she has been finding
• 13:58
  or has been brought to her across her television screen or
• 14:01
  her phone near death experiences.
• 14:04
  And so she has been watching and it's and it's fascinating.
• 14:06
  She talks to she talks to me about it a lot and she talks
• 14:09
  about how like there is no like, like this person wasn't Catholic
• 14:13
  and this person was, you know, like completely like they, this
• 14:17
  person tried to commit suicide and this person, you know, was
• 14:20
  hit by a bus and this person, you know, overdosed on a drug
• 14:24
  and you know, like all these different experiences.
• 14:26
  She's like, it's very interesting that they all have
• 14:29
  the same like love, peace is the is their experience of that,
• 14:35
  that moment. Of that there is No Fear of of
• 14:37
  death, and yet it's something that.
• 14:38
  Was very much. Fear and even in my Catholic
• 14:41
  upbringing, you're you're you're brought up with an awareness of
• 14:44
  the cloud of witnesses the the Mystics in the church.
• 14:46
  Like there's always been something beyond right, But it's
• 14:50
  but it's very, very qualifying to you know, you there's many
• 14:54
  things that go into being able to.
• 14:57
  And this has just been fascinating to me.
• 14:59
  And I know that I know that 2023 we lost two of our babies very
• 15:05
  short kind of within a month of each other.
• 15:09
  And it it was a very traumatic experience.
• 15:12
  And yet in that moment, I'll just share briefly when when
• 15:15
  Pooh Bear. Pooh Bear was our.
• 15:17
  Orange. Tabby, our orange tabby who
• 15:19
  passed very suddenly. He had dinner at about 9:00 at
• 15:22
  night and we were going up to bed about 20 minutes later and
• 15:25
  he. Was only 12.
• 15:26
  He was only 12 and he was, and he's had many health challenges,
• 15:29
  but he was healthier than he'd ever been.
• 15:32
  And we found him on the rug. And I had this moment of almost
• 15:37
  like it was there was it was almost like levity.
• 15:41
  I mean, that sounds like a weird word, but I was like, this is
• 15:44
  how you're going to go. Like this moment of and then I
• 15:47
  just, and then it was, we've got to go to the vet, like just
• 15:52
  scooped him up. He was lifeless.
• 15:53
  It was then, then it was, I was like, you know, all the trauma
• 15:57
  around it and all the confusion around it.
• 16:01
  And then our Oliver Twist, as soon as Pooh Bear passed, you
• 16:05
  know. His best friend.
• 16:07
  Best friends. He just immediately went
• 16:09
  downhill. It was like his work was done
• 16:11
  and he it was time to go. And so I feel like there were so
• 16:15
  many lessons for us and that in our community really supported
• 16:18
  us through that really tough time.
• 16:23
  But I want to take it that step further, like having this
• 16:25
  opportunity to speak with you, can you share with us?
• 16:28
  You know, I think a lot of us understand that our our pets are
• 16:31
  with us. Our cats come to us for for
• 16:33
  reasons that they activate something within us that is not
• 16:37
  necessarily something we can explain.
• 16:40
  Even I don't even know how to what.
• 16:45
  What's the best way to ask the question when you talk about
• 16:51
  this transition as sacred medicine?
• 16:54
  Sacred medicine. Medicine.
• 16:55
  Yeah. Just can you define that a bit
• 16:58
  for us? Oh, completely.
• 17:01
  Yeah. And again, I, I really want to
• 17:03
  begin, of course, with talking about a subject that I really
• 17:07
  appreciate. It sounds weird because it
• 17:09
  excites me. It really excites me because I'm
• 17:11
  so passionate about bringing an animal guardian to the other
• 17:15
  side, and not in terms of like I'm going to take you to the
• 17:16
  side, but really understanding their transition and our grief
• 17:20
  as sacred medicine because we are sacred beings.
• 17:24
  And I feel what I what I've come to understand, what I've
• 17:28
  realized how it's shared with me, even through the animals, is
• 17:32
  they still exist as sacred. So we are the ones as humans
• 17:36
  with a thinking mind that have divined, defined this physical
• 17:40
  being as a cat or a dog or a horse or a gerbil or whatever
• 17:43
  may be. They don't define in any way,
• 17:46
  shape or form. So they are still existing as I,
• 17:49
  OK, this is a physical form that I'm in, but I'm also the dragon
• 17:54
  that I used to be. I'm also one of the higher
• 17:56
  beings that they still live in the space of what I call the
• 17:59
  scene and the unseen, which is why they are still living in the
• 18:03
  like, they're in their physical body of a cat and they're like,
• 18:05
  oh, there's the fairies. Oh, I'm hearing the song of the
• 18:08
  stars. I'm going to be out with the
• 18:09
  moon. I'm hearing the conversation of
• 18:12
  the mushrooms. So to them, they are existing on
• 18:16
  this sacred ground, the sacred platform.
• 18:18
  And I really feel when we, when we explore their transition,
• 18:23
  which pulls us into our grief, and it's supposed to the whole
• 18:26
  point is we're supposed to grieve.
• 18:29
  However, in our society, for most of us, we are both grief
• 18:33
  and death illiterate. Like I was when, when that
• 18:36
  experience was snowy, I was just like, I haven't got the teaching
• 18:39
  of this. I don't want my, my animal
• 18:41
  friends gone. So we are grief and death
• 18:43
  illiterate. But there is this sacred
• 18:44
  teaching. There's a sacred way to be with
• 18:47
  grief and transition, which come as messengers.
• 18:50
  And so that's why I even call, I call death transition because it
• 18:54
  is a transition. Like for our animal friends,
• 18:56
  they are so hilarious with it. Like I should try a little
• 18:59
  voice, like put on a little voice for them because they're
• 19:02
  like you humans, you humans are so complicated.
• 19:04
  We don't need to be in a body to be alive, end of.
• 19:07
  So they'll share it. So we don't need to be in a body
• 19:09
  to be alive. Like we're still alive.
• 19:11
  It's just us having to practice and use our body in a particular
• 19:19
  way so that we can basically still connect to their
• 19:21
  consciousness. So our animal friends, just like
• 19:24
  we are, everything is an expression of source
• 19:27
  consciousness, an expression of consciousness.
• 19:30
  Our animal friends still exist in that space.
• 19:33
  And so when their transition comes in the way it comes, like
• 19:36
  you shared, it can be really soft and easy and comfortable.
• 19:40
  Like my, my cat transition, the 21 in their sleep caught.
• 19:45
  I'm sad. We're supposed to be sad and
• 19:46
  grieved but wow, can't think of anything better.
• 19:49
  Or my cat transitioned at three years old from kidney failure
• 19:53
  even though I gave him a complete natural holistic
• 19:56
  lifestyle. What the hell?
• 19:58
  I don't know what I did wrong. It's too painful.
• 20:01
  But depending on what where where we are at in our what I
• 20:04
  call soul work, our soul journey.
• 20:07
  Our animal friends know us better than we know ourselves.
• 20:10
  Our animal friends sitting there going guys like we're fine.
• 20:15
  You're the ones that are hurting and we, we really want you to
• 20:18
  stop hurting like you. There's no need to hurt.
• 20:20
  We see the pains that were put into you and you're perfect as
• 20:25
  you are. And so they try and share this
• 20:29
  to us in their, in their physical form all the time.
• 20:31
  Like we can really look at like when my animal friend is doing
• 20:34
  this, what is the soul work they're leading me into?
• 20:37
  But one of the powerful ways as sacred medicine that they offer
• 20:40
  this to us is through their transition.
• 20:42
  Because what it does is it blows our heart open.
• 20:46
  We get heartbreak as an invitation to be heart awake
• 20:51
  because what is needed for us to be connected to sacred.
• 20:55
  What is needed for us to be connected to the scene in the
• 20:58
  unseen is keep your heart open. So that is what the heartbreak
• 21:03
  does, right? Heartbreak, the heart awake,
• 21:05
  heartbroken to heart open. But then bit by bit by bit, the
• 21:09
  thinking mind goes, oh, I am feeling this way because this
• 21:12
  have this, this transition. I am feeling this way because
• 21:14
  because of grief, I am. I the heart closes, but the
• 21:18
  grief now because we carry it, we're not supposed to carry the
• 21:21
  grief. We're actually supposed to go
• 21:23
  into a sacred space with their transition and also with our
• 21:27
  grief. And and that's what the animals
• 21:28
  share like because they know they are OK.
• 21:32
  So they live from a space or what's called soulspan.
• 21:35
  We live from soulspan but our thinking mind that we're
• 21:39
  conditioned to live from tells us I am physical body that has
• 21:45
  an expiration date and end of yes as Isla I have an expiration
• 21:50
  date that might be 8 years old, 100 years old, it might be 44 I
• 21:53
  don't know. But my soul span goes yes.
• 21:56
  So what you're infinite. So because our animal friends
• 21:59
  don't define to their body label themselves attached, they don't
• 22:03
  live from belief systems. They live from sacred time,
• 22:07
  which is soul span. So when they transition out of
• 22:10
  body, they're just like, well, I've been in the body before, I
• 22:13
  might be in a body again. And they've also been in a body
• 22:16
  before with us. They're not a they're not a new
• 22:19
  form of consciousness. They're like, guys, we're just
• 22:22
  continuing where we where we left off and we didn't quite get
• 22:25
  to do what it was we got to do. It's a continuation in these
• 22:28
  different ways, in these different forms.
• 22:30
  But when we are carrying the grief in this way, it's it's
• 22:37
  required as a ceremony. And that's what they ask for for
• 22:39
  themselves, that they don't care how old they are because they
• 22:42
  don't live from age. They're like, what do you mean
• 22:44
  I'm four? What do you mean I'm 7?
• 22:45
  Like I'm, I'm, I'm infinite. So they, they don't, they don't
• 22:49
  care how old they are when they transition.
• 22:51
  What they care about is I'm a sacred being.
• 22:54
  Honor me. Like do something that honors me
• 22:57
  as a sacred being that I am, which for me is this real, this
• 23:01
  real pull to ceremony, which in terms of our grief as well our
• 23:05
  grief, our grief sits in the landscapes of, of, of what I
• 23:10
  call sacred. Because like you shared before,
• 23:14
  like I use the word transition rather than death because partly
• 23:17
  it is a transition. They're just, they're still
• 23:19
  alive, but they're just coming out of bodies.
• 23:21
  So they're transitioning from one state to another, like from
• 23:24
  liquid to to gas or, yeah, from solid to to gas.
• 23:30
  But it's also because in our society, our charged words that
• 23:38
  are connected to the word death and not even what the conscience
• 23:41
  of death wants to be called. He's almost like you do.
• 23:44
  You do not have the right to even use that name of me because
• 23:47
  you don't understand who I am. And it makes me like, it does
• 23:50
  make me want to cry for the conscience of death because how
• 23:54
  he shows himself to me is like almost like the little the kid
• 24:01
  that's never picked on sports day or never, never picked to be
• 24:04
  like in the basketball team or he looks through a window and
• 24:08
  everyone's everyone like there. It's cold outside, there's a
• 24:10
  storm, it's winter time. Everyone's inside around the
• 24:13
  fire, like loving each other. And it's with with grief, with
• 24:17
  dread, with transition. Although we feel it, we're like,
• 24:20
  I don't know what to do with it. It becomes hard and oh, it's
• 24:23
  cool. Oh, I don't even want to talk.
• 24:25
  I'm just going to put it over there.
• 24:27
  And so it becomes this space of grief is also sacred medicine.
• 24:32
  So partly what that means is when that grief comes through
• 24:36
  our animal friends transition, we are supposed to be with the
• 24:39
  grief in a particular way which allows us to be with the
• 24:43
  intensity of it. And then they get softer and
• 24:46
  softer and softer. And I always use the word softer
• 24:49
  rather than easier. I don't necessarily know if it's
• 24:52
  easier, but just softer, softer and softer and go.
• 24:56
  Oh, you've come in. Yeah.
• 24:57
  Come in, friend. It is an old friend.
• 24:59
  Like, come in, friend. You got a message from me?
• 25:01
  Yeah, he is a beer. Come and say.
• 25:02
  Yeah. What?
• 25:03
  Here's some snacks. Like what?
• 25:04
  What? What do you have for me today?
• 25:05
  What do you need me to? What do you need to tell me?
• 25:07
  But when we can be with the consciousness of our animal
• 25:11
  friend in their transition, which is also medicine for our
• 25:14
  soul work, what that transition is to teach us, there are many,
• 25:20
  many, many things that will unravel.
• 25:22
  But for me, behind the grief of our animal friend transitioning,
• 25:26
  which again the thinking mind will attach to, I am still
• 25:29
  grieving because my animal friend transitioned.
• 25:31
  I'm still grieving big because in a way to keep our body safe
• 25:35
  and to feel safe, our mind likes to attach to something that it
• 25:39
  can relate to. I know this happened, so This is
• 25:42
  why I'm feeling this way. But what is happening is
• 25:44
  actually the charge of what they blow open for us is grief.
• 25:48
  So actually the charge is not just the grief of their
• 25:51
  transition, but just all the griefs, all the griefs that
• 25:54
  we've ever experienced, not just of all the animal losses or all
• 25:58
  the human losses, all the griefs.
• 26:01
  Like little bit like the conscience of the death.
• 26:02
  We know what it's like when we've been sat at the table and
• 26:05
  excluded. We know what it's like when we
• 26:07
  haven't been invited to something.
• 26:08
  We know when, what we've been told, oh, you're not, you're not
• 26:11
  suitable for this, for this community, you're not suitable
• 26:14
  for this party. You're not, you're not.
• 26:16
  So it's all the griefs, all the wounds, all the pains, all the
• 26:19
  traumas, which for me brings me back to sacred which our animal
• 26:22
  friends are bringing this into. Because for me, the fundamental
• 26:26
  like deep core grief, regardless of whether it's ancestral or
• 26:31
  transgenerational or, you know, began in the womb, the absolute
• 26:35
  core grief is the the soul grief is the sorrow of our soul
• 26:40
  because we've been separated from soul and we've been
• 26:43
  separate from sacred. We've been separated from the
• 26:47
  stars. Sweetheart, have consciousness,
• 26:48
  have messages for you. The fairies come out and wish to
• 26:52
  speak to you that animals come to you in dreamtime and give you
• 26:57
  messages. We've been separate from that.
• 26:59
  So we've been separate from our soul.
• 27:01
  So we kind of go about our lives searching, seeking, wanting.
• 27:06
  And what we're searching, seeking, wanting is, wow, the
• 27:10
  grief of my soul, that ultimate grief that was separated from
• 27:15
  self and separated from sacred. But then what can be behind the
• 27:19
  griefs, particularly for us as as animal guardians, is guilt.
• 27:24
  You know, so many people will say to me, right, Like, Oh, I'm,
• 27:27
  I had my animal friend euthanized.
• 27:29
  Like did I leave it too long? Oh, but did I not do it soon
• 27:33
  enough? Did they hate me because I'm now
• 27:35
  getting a new animal to that? Oh, and they, you know, they
• 27:39
  again, that's the charge that they offer us to go.
• 27:42
  We know you're hurting, so we're bringing this forward to you in
• 27:45
  our transition because it's nothing to do with that guilt.
• 27:49
  Again, that's our thinking mind tells us it comes from the very
• 27:53
  first time we were made to feel guilty when we did nothing wrong
• 27:57
  and all the times therefore we carry as evidence.
• 27:59
  Oh, yeah, I've been told I'm a really bad person, so I'm now
• 28:02
  looking for it. Oh yeah, there's someone else.
• 28:03
  Yeah, No, boss, just put that blame on me because, you know,
• 28:06
  I've already been told my bad person and I should be blamed
• 28:08
  and I should be shamed. I should be criticized.
• 28:10
  I should be judged. So it activates us to go into
• 28:14
  what are these guilts like? I I don't I shouldn't hold
• 28:18
  guilt. I'm like, I'm perfect as I am.
• 28:21
  And that's then what it can lead us to.
• 28:22
  And this overwhelming horror almost of my animal friend loved
• 28:28
  me unconditionally and loves me unconditionally.
• 28:31
  Am I ever going to get that love ever again?
• 28:33
  Am I ever going to get that acceptance again?
• 28:35
  Because there's a difference between acceptance and approval.
• 28:37
  Approval is how do you convince me that you're worthy to be in
• 28:41
  my space? Acceptance is that I don't care
• 28:43
  whether you've got an I missing, whether you're short, tall
• 28:46
  factor. I don't care.
• 28:47
  Like I accept you welcome our animal friends don't care.
• 28:50
  So the pull is God, am I ever going to get that?
• 28:54
  I am going to get that love again.
• 28:56
  And our animal friends go, of course you love yourself without
• 29:00
  limits. This is the message.
• 29:03
  You can see you love yourself like our cats don't.
• 29:06
  We don't care whether you like us or not.
• 29:08
  We don't care whether you like what we do.
• 29:10
  We're doing it anyway. Like they look who they are.
• 29:14
  They're like, oh, this is, you know, God, look, look at me
• 29:17
  being this cat with this nose and these paws.
• 29:19
  And, you know, I always see like a cat's not walking around
• 29:24
  going, oh, I wish I was a horse. And I wish I had.
• 29:27
  I wish I was ginger and not black.
• 29:29
  They're like, whoa, this is this is me embodied.
• 29:32
  Like, this is awesome. Yeah.
• 29:34
  As humans, we're always what, like, oh, I wish you could be a
• 29:37
  little bit more like this, a little bit more like that
• 29:38
  everyone ever had that. So that's the message that also
• 29:41
  they bring us into. And they also bring us into this
• 29:44
  message of where in our lives, through their transition, are we
• 29:48
  trying to control our life because that's the part of their
• 29:51
  transition. I'm not ready for it.
• 29:53
  I wasn't prepared. I didn't want it to happen this
• 29:55
  way. It's again, just it's about
• 29:57
  safety, our survival strategy of keeping safe, which is not right
• 30:02
  or wrong or good or bad, It just is.
• 30:03
  Things happen in our life that create these responses where we
• 30:07
  go and need to predict. So I can feel safe.
• 30:10
  But animal friends are like, just trust the unknown.
• 30:13
  Trust the wider space of mystery that is happening.
• 30:17
  That is excitement. But where in our life can we
• 30:20
  identify? Where are we controlling things
• 30:23
  or where are we trying to control, or where do we need to
• 30:25
  control? And then behind that, yes, it
• 30:28
  can be these deeper things like trauma and judgment, shame,
• 30:32
  blame, bitterness. But it also leads us to
• 30:35
  ceremony, which is what the sacred medicine of the grief is
• 30:39
  like. For me, I say, we can't bypass
• 30:42
  our grief, but we cannot think our way out of grief because the
• 30:47
  thinking mind does not live in the landscape of soul and
• 30:50
  sacred, but grief does. Grief lives in this landscape of
• 30:54
  sacred where it's like, come to me and speak it to the earth,
• 30:58
  come outdoors and scream it to the winds, come and lay in the
• 31:01
  waters, come and sing it under the stars.
• 31:04
  It's living in this sacred landscape that we don't get to
• 31:07
  meet because we're trying to think our way out of grief or
• 31:10
  speak about it all the time. And this is what I love.
• 31:13
  There's a beautiful medicine man from Guatemala called Miguel
• 31:16
  Rivera. And he shares it so beautifully
• 31:19
  because, I mean, I'm, I'm all about the ceremony and I love
• 31:22
  bringing people into ceremony, particularly around grief and
• 31:24
  transition. But he shares like in his
• 31:27
  society and his culture that when they go into these
• 31:30
  ceremonies for these deep, intense things like grief,
• 31:32
  trauma, pain, distress, something, you know, distressing
• 31:35
  has happened, that they sing and drum and dance and rattle for 10
• 31:40
  hours. And then they speak about it for
• 31:42
  maybe 5 minutes. Because what is done is done in
• 31:44
  the ceremony doesn't need to be spoken about, doesn't need to go
• 31:47
  over and over. And and then we just feed it
• 31:50
  into a thing, right? It kind of over consumes us.
• 31:52
  But he said in your society and your culture, you sing and dance
• 31:55
  and drum and rattle for like 5 minutes, if that.
• 32:00
  But then you talk about it and you don't stop talking about it
• 32:03
  because that's what we've been taught to do.
• 32:05
  But in a way that feeds the consciousness of the grief, the
• 32:09
  cause of a transition that kind of makes it inert.
• 32:13
  It doesn't give it life. It doesn't give it medicine.
• 32:15
  It doesn't give this power for us to have a knowing of.
• 32:19
  How do I then connect to my animal friend on the other side?
• 32:23
  And what is so beautiful and profound?
• 32:25
  Like even I'm as I'm going to haven't shared it yet, but it
• 32:27
  just makes me shake with like amazement.
• 32:32
  And this is what Tukasila shared with me when she transitioned is
• 32:36
  that when they transition, there isn't knowing.
• 32:38
  So we have like the oversoul. So even when our and even when
• 32:42
  we've chosen for our animal friend to transition through
• 32:45
  euthanasia, for example, we rock ourselves with girl.
• 32:48
  Oh my goodness. Well, I made that decision.
• 32:49
  It was my choice. I kind of, you know, made that.
• 32:52
  Is it going to be now next week? When is it going to be?
• 32:54
  So we put all of that on to us in terms of the oversoul.
• 32:57
  So there's something much bigger going on.
• 32:59
  Our animal friends are also part of that.
• 33:02
  They also have a choosing of like, yeah, you're going to
• 33:04
  euthanize me, but I'm also part of the exact date, time, moment
• 33:10
  experience circumstances that happens in for again, what it is
• 33:13
  that we need. So if we need something that is
• 33:16
  safe and comfortable and soft, we'll get that.
• 33:18
  But if we're now ready to go that heartbreak into heart
• 33:21
  awake, we're going to receive that.
• 33:24
  So that condition comes as a way of going.
• 33:26
  We can't get this information to you other than this way, but
• 33:30
  also when we transition in a much bigger way, we become far
• 33:34
  more important for you and with you because we stand as spirit
• 33:39
  guides and ancestors that you can call upon.
• 33:41
  You're hurting, call upon us. You don't know which direction
• 33:44
  to go into. Call upon us.
• 33:46
  So they become part of our spirit family, like they are
• 33:49
  part of our spirit family that falls down into physical form as
• 33:52
  a cat, for example. But when they transition,
• 33:55
  they're like, just like my grandfather was sharing about
• 33:58
  his grandparents. We're your spirit family.
• 34:00
  We're still here. Like call upon us, ask us to
• 34:04
  come into your dreamtime, sit with us, meditate with us, call
• 34:07
  and bring into our consciousness because they're speaking to us
• 34:10
  all the time in the beautiful way that spirit does.
• 34:13
  Because spirit uses all media, a song on the radio and we're
• 34:16
  thinking about them or like, Oh, I'm just, I really, really miss
• 34:19
  them. And the, the, the double numbers
• 34:22
  on a clock, a feather that falls right in front of us.
• 34:24
  Even there was no birds around, when we're thinking about them,
• 34:27
  all of a sudden like a massive gust of wind comes through.
• 34:29
  Well, I mean it's infinite. The messages and the way that
• 34:32
  they can bring these messages in are infinite because they're
• 34:35
  infinite. And when they go out of a
• 34:37
  physical body, they become infinite in all these magical
• 34:41
  ways that they know what it is we need for our soul work.
• 34:45
  Now that they can do a better job of being out with physical
• 34:49
  body, that is limited because when we're in physical, we are
• 34:52
  limited because I can't be here and then over in Australia at
• 34:55
  the same time, when you're spirit, you can be in every and
• 34:58
  everything and that's kind of the beauty of this.
• 35:01
  There was a particular ceremony that I did.
• 35:04
  So when I'm going into sacred space myself and I'm wanting to
• 35:06
  connect to consciousness, I have to set up space and I put my
• 35:10
  bandana over my eyes and my eyes are closed and I'm sensing,
• 35:13
  seeing, seeing, feeling, receiving.
• 35:15
  There's a particular ceremony that I've done twice now and
• 35:19
  it's the only ceremony that I do where my eyes are open and I'm,
• 35:22
  I'm seeing the unseen, like in crazy ways.
• 35:25
  Like I wish I could take a photograph, but there'd be
• 35:27
  nothing there. And one of them was around our
• 35:30
  spirits and ancestors, the spirits and ancestors that that
• 35:32
  love and care and support us. And it was the most beautiful.
• 35:37
  Like I love sharing this because it was the most beautiful sight
• 35:41
  and it was like me and just this concentric ring of concentric
• 35:45
  ring of concentric ring out and out and out for infinite of all
• 35:50
  at spirits and ancestors. So our recent spirits and
• 35:53
  ancestors of our animal friends in that closest ring may be
• 35:56
  blood ancestors that we had a close connection with spirit
• 36:00
  ancestors, soul ancestors, Pharaohs, Egyptians, God's God.
• 36:03
  It goes like even beings. I'm like, I don't even know who
• 36:05
  you are, but hi, we are so supported and they're there when
• 36:09
  they transition, they go back into like this circle to go
• 36:14
  this, this, we're, we're all here.
• 36:16
  And so they become our they are our spirit guide and ancestor in
• 36:20
  like physical form, but they go back to spirit guide and
• 36:23
  ancestor. So they in their transition.
• 36:27
  It's an it's an invitation as medicine to go.
• 36:31
  We're inviting you to to now in a software or hardware, whatever
• 36:35
  way we're ready to, to identify and be with your pain, be with
• 36:39
  your traumas, be with your griefs, be with your guilt, be
• 36:43
  with your shames, be with your, be with it all.
• 36:46
  And at the same time come into the unseen landscape of
• 36:51
  consciousness where you realize that you were far bigger and
• 36:55
  greater than what you actually are.
• 36:56
  You return back to your soul and sacred ground and live in a
• 37:01
  different way. So it's like we are healing from
• 37:04
  those wounds for what? A better word was at the same
• 37:07
  time, we are stepping back in again to the landscape of the
• 37:10
  unseen, which we know within us because when we were babes,
• 37:14
  we're exactly we lived our life exactly the way the animals do.
• 37:18
  We lived in the scene in the unseen together, like we're
• 37:21
  seeing imaginary friends that are just ancestors visiting to
• 37:25
  us from this life or past lives. We're seeing the Dragons, the
• 37:28
  unicorns, the mythological creatures.
• 37:30
  We're seeing it all. It's just as humans, we get
• 37:33
  told, don't be so stupid or you're going to get taken away
• 37:35
  or our family's going to get shamed if you talk about that.
• 37:37
  So don't or we don't understand that we're scared.
• 37:40
  Our animal friends still live like in this, the space of the
• 37:45
  scene in the unseen together and that's they know that is again
• 37:50
  ultimately the core of our hurt because our soul knows that like
• 37:53
  we, we know deep deep down, there is something else we know
• 37:56
  deep deep down. The water can speak to me.
• 37:59
  The trees do speak to me. The soils are alive.
• 38:02
  Like for me, everything is alive and that's what I knew as a
• 38:05
  child. I never received anything by way
• 38:08
  of message until later on in my life, but when I used to go down
• 38:11
  to that nature reserve, I would welcome everything as a friend.
• 38:14
  The stones, the ponds, the tadpoles, the fox, the trees,
• 38:18
  the clouds, everything is alive and that's what we are sadly
• 38:23
  taken away from. The more the more that we grow
• 38:26
  into our physical body and our animal friends are like, no
• 38:29
  sweetheart, you are such a divine expression of
• 38:33
  consciousness as we are. We're bringing you back into
• 38:36
  this space and the ways that we're trying to do us in
• 38:38
  physical body. But you know, when that
• 38:41
  transition comes, that's the deep sacred medicine that can
• 38:44
  only come through their transition.
• 38:47
  That comes in a way that we're ready for.
• 38:49
  And, and yes, we have to appreciate that there can be
• 38:52
  complex grief, that there can be traumatic grief.
• 38:55
  And although not all grief has trauma, all trauma in our life
• 38:58
  experiences do have grief. And that's why it's not just the
• 39:02
  grief that we say is from our animal friends transition.
• 39:06
  We are to be with that really deeply intimately.
• 39:10
  So speak to it, speak to it, speak to it.
• 39:13
  But then beyond that be like, and what else is this grief?
• 39:17
  And what else is this? And it's sadness.
• 39:19
  I mean, I've been doing this on myself for 15 years.
• 39:23
  It's still there. It's softer, but I'm like, oh,
• 39:26
  there's another grief there that you know, it can be as simple as
• 39:30
  five year old Isla drawing a picture of the family cat and
• 39:33
  the adults were downstairs having a party and I'd be like
• 39:35
  everybody, I've done it. Like I'm so proud.
• 39:38
  I'm so proud of this drawing. And the adults are like, So what
• 39:41
  is it drawing of? It's the family cat.
• 39:43
  Well, the family cat's black and you've used yellow.
• 39:46
  Like that's not even the colour of the cat, but it's the fact
• 39:49
  it's rubbish. It's stupid.
• 39:50
  Like we haven't even got time. That's a grief.
• 39:53
  So mention these griefs. We think of a great.
• 39:57
  I haven't really had a great, nothing bad happened to me.
• 39:59
  I haven't really lost a animal friend yet.
• 40:02
  That's a grief because we were, we, we weren't witnessed, we
• 40:05
  were denied, we were told you're not relevant, you don't matter.
• 40:09
  And actually we go around as humans.
• 40:11
  I mean, the, the hilarity of we want the best of our animal
• 40:15
  friends and they don't mind because they're like, guys, we
• 40:17
  get it. We know you're hurting.
• 40:18
  We're here to help you with those hurts.
• 40:20
  We're here to help you identify those hurts that most of the
• 40:23
  time we are actually putting the oppressive systems we were put
• 40:27
  into onto our animal friends without even realizing or the
• 40:31
  projections we're putting onto our animal.
• 40:33
  You know, don't do that. You're bad.
• 40:35
  You'll know, like sometimes I've caught myself years ago now
• 40:38
  where I'd say something to one of my animals and about that.
• 40:41
  Oh, all right, grandma. Like it was just, that's what my
• 40:43
  grandma would say to me. So they're just it's fine.
• 40:47
  But you don't need you're hurting and you don't need to
• 40:50
  hurt. Let us, let us show you this
• 40:53
  different way where we really come into the space of like,
• 40:55
  wow, OK, my physical body is really missing my physical
• 41:00
  animal friend. But how can I drop into this
• 41:03
  wider space of infinite consciousness where I'm dreaming
• 41:08
  with them, They're sending messages to me.
• 41:11
  I'm channelling them. I'm that they, I'm seeing them
• 41:15
  now, they're coming to me in a different form.
• 41:17
  They're coming to me in a different way.
• 41:20
  And I always remember, and this is what I really trust because a
• 41:22
  little bit like you shared our, our little dog, Charlie, She,
• 41:26
  she transitioned quite quickly. But Tunkasila, she, she had
• 41:32
  quite, there was a bit of space in her transition.
• 41:34
  And that's why I always trust when they transition, it's, it's
• 41:37
  still not for them. It's what is best for us because
• 41:40
  they have this knowing that they almost like have a knowing of
• 41:44
  seeing the future to go. This is what's going to happen.
• 41:46
  And this is going to happen for what the human needs through
• 41:49
  this transition. And so I remember in particular,
• 41:51
  Tunkasila, she would no matter what room I would be in, she
• 41:55
  would be with me. And this, this is my medicine
• 41:56
  room. So if I was doing like whatever
• 41:58
  medicine circle, she would always be in and be part of it.
• 42:01
  I mean, she was such a medicine teacher in her own right and
• 42:03
  still is. So she would always be in the
• 42:05
  room. And what was happening is she
• 42:09
  started, so she had cancer and I knew there wasn't long to go,
• 42:12
  but I didn't know how long. And but she started to put well,
• 42:15
  what I felt purpose being different rooms.
• 42:16
  Like I would be in the lounge, she'd be in the bedroom, I'd be
• 42:19
  in the bedroom, she'd be downstairs, I'd be in here,
• 42:21
  she'd be in the bedroom. So I, I, I just connect with her
• 42:24
  and say like to Kasila, like, are you OK?
• 42:26
  Just are you, you know, is your body just that in pain now?
• 42:29
  You just need a lot of rest. And she was like, no, I'm
• 42:32
  preparing you. And I was like, oh, OK, what you
• 42:34
  preparing me for? So like I'm preparing your
• 42:37
  physical body to get used to what it's going to be like when
• 42:40
  I'm not around anymore physically.
• 42:42
  I'm literally setting you up. So that's not like, and that's
• 42:46
  what she did. My other dogs haven't done that.
• 42:47
  But I mean, that's just our relationship.
• 42:49
  So they they are really considering us in ways that we
• 42:52
  maybe don't even realize. But she was just like, look,
• 42:56
  your physics, it's going to feel weird when I'm not around and
• 42:58
  your physical body is going to long tell a physical connection.
• 43:01
  So I'm just getting your physical body used to to what
• 43:04
  it's like. Training.
• 43:06
  Yeah, training. It's training me.
• 43:07
  Yeah, right. And and she also then shared.
• 43:11
  So again in the thinking mind, I was like, Tonka Sealer, are you,
• 43:15
  you know, are you going to transition soon?
• 43:16
  And she's like, yeah, soon about.
• 43:18
  OK. And then like a few days would
• 43:21
  go on, took a seat. You're going to transit.
• 43:22
  Yes, soon. OK, now that's soon.
• 43:25
  I mean, and we did make the choice to have her euthanized,
• 43:27
  but that soon was six months. So I'm always curious in these
• 43:31
  spaces of like, have I done something wrong?
• 43:33
  Like, have I not really understood correctly?
• 43:36
  And I was like, Tonka Sealer, you said soon, but it's been 6
• 43:39
  months. And she was like, yeah, six
• 43:41
  months is soon. And I'm like, oh, it's not
• 43:43
  really showing. No, it's six months as soon.
• 43:45
  And I realized to me as Isla and a thinking mind soon as my
• 43:50
  belief is what soon is a day, two days a week.
• 43:54
  But she needs in soul time, right?
• 43:56
  So in terms of her soul time, which is infinite, six months is
• 43:59
  like 2 blinks. So it is soon.
• 44:02
  So they they are when we can be in the space of even with their
• 44:05
  transition and how they were preparing us.
• 44:08
  It's just this. I mean, there's so many examples
• 44:11
  that are just, it's not a concern from them because they
• 44:15
  don't really live from that concern space, but it's a
• 44:17
  contemplation because they don't, you know, they don't
• 44:20
  define to like, yeah, I'm in a body.
• 44:23
  I'm out of a body again. I've been a giraffe and now I'm
• 44:25
  not a giraffe. I used to be a human.
• 44:27
  I'm not. They're just in and out, in and
• 44:29
  out. So they're like whatever it is
• 44:31
  that you need and that that often it's, it's rare for me.
• 44:35
  I have had a few animals share in particular what they want to
• 44:40
  be done, like how they want their body to be prepared when
• 44:43
  they've transitioned in terms of a burial, A cremation.
• 44:45
  And then if it's cremation where they want the ashes scattered.
• 44:48
  But most of the time the animals are like, we don't care about
• 44:51
  our body, but we know it matters to you.
• 44:53
  So whatever is going to to give you comfort, to give you support
• 44:57
  to, yeah, to be on this, this journey.
• 45:01
  And so that's how I really understand.
• 45:04
  Yeah. Transition as sacred.
• 45:06
  And that's what they asked for. Look, don't care about our age,
• 45:09
  just onerous as a sacred being, but then our grief is also
• 45:13
  sacred medicine as well for our soul work to really all they ask
• 45:18
  for us is to be like guys. Love yourself without limits.
• 45:22
  Know that you are the most unique, magnificent expression
• 45:25
  of consciousness and do as we do like we don't care whether
• 45:29
  someone likes us or not. We don't care that whether we
• 45:31
  should be doing this or not. It's that's just the oppressive
• 45:33
  systems we were placed into that again, we then put into our
• 45:36
  animal friends not it's not about blame or right or wrong.
• 45:38
  We don't know until we do know. But then when we do know, like,
• 45:43
  oh, that's a charge. So they're really good at
• 45:46
  bringing forward I we can call them triggers, wounds, pains.
• 45:50
  For me, it's a charge because it's, it's like a reactor.
• 45:53
  It's come up so we can catch it, like energetically catch the
• 45:56
  charge. And I always, I mean, I do this
• 45:59
  with myself, like when I'm noticing a charge come, I'm
• 46:02
  like, ah, OK, you know what, I'm at work right now, so I can't
• 46:06
  really be with the charge, but I'm going to write it on my
• 46:08
  phone on notes. I'm just going to like keep a
• 46:10
  hold of it in my head and I'm going to make space in this room
• 46:14
  can be anywhere in the house. I light a candle and I literally
• 46:18
  imagine that that charges in front of me like if it had a
• 46:22
  voice, which it does because everything is consciousness.
• 46:25
  So everything as conscious has a voice has message for us.
• 46:29
  And I see in front of me and I go, sweetheart, I am.
• 46:32
  I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that I'm just here
• 46:36
  now listening to you. What is it that you need what
• 46:39
  you're trying to tell me? And it's a conversation, right?
• 46:42
  So again, in the thinking mind, because we're so used to go
• 46:45
  ahead and take this pill, it goes away.
• 46:46
  Got a bad knee, put on the scream.
• 46:47
  It goes away. It's you know, that's why I say
• 46:50
  admittedly, so like this is a long walk.
• 46:52
  It's been a long walk for me and it continues to be a long walk,
• 46:56
  but it's soft. I'm like, oh, all right,
• 46:58
  welcome. I thought we got rid of you, but
• 47:00
  clearly not come in again or we get to a point where I'm like,
• 47:04
  right, this has been really useful information.
• 47:06
  I need to carry on with my day because I know that you exist in
• 47:09
  the unseen, but I also exist in the scene.
• 47:11
  So I have bills to pay and I have dogs to walk and I have
• 47:14
  appointments to get to. So we'll come back to this
• 47:17
  conversation. So just a little bit like we
• 47:19
  would a friend or a family member.
• 47:21
  God, it's been great speaking to you.
• 47:22
  This conversation is not finished yet, but we both need
• 47:25
  to go on on our day and let's come back to it.
• 47:28
  And it's, it's soften. It's, it's really diffusing the
• 47:31
  charge. It's softening the charge
• 47:33
  because now we're giving it attention and that's all it asks
• 47:36
  for because it really is a bit of our self that wasn't met, a
• 47:41
  bit of our self that wasn't heard.
• 47:43
  And we're like, sweetheart, you weren't heard.
• 47:45
  You weren't loved. I understand that because that
• 47:48
  that you are a part of me. But I'm here now and I can love
• 47:51
  you because that's what my animal friend is telling me.
• 47:55
  That's how I yeah, just this this bundle of sacred medicine.
• 47:59
  I say grief as a friend, almost. Completely afraid.
• 48:03
  It's a best, best, best old, old, old friend.
• 48:06
  One of our oldest allies, yeah. I'm going a little up because
• 48:10
  I'm, I have so many questions. Do you in, in, in your current
• 48:18
  consciousness, right. Like I feel like all of us are
• 48:20
  very familiar with our thinking minds and, and I think that's
• 48:24
  where we that's where we create a lot of our own pain sometimes.
• 48:28
  But so do you look at this, at this life, you know, like we
• 48:33
  have a finite lifespan, our family members, our cats, ever
• 48:37
  all of us is this life. And I don't know if you can
• 48:40
  answer this question because I'm, is this life meant for soul
• 48:45
  work? I think, you know, we all have
• 48:46
  some sort of peak into right? Like the the the experiments
• 48:51
  they did with water over in Japan, the Japanese just
• 48:54
  thinking about water with love or with apathy or with, with
• 48:59
  hate. It changed the molecular
• 49:02
  structure of it. You know, the studies that
• 49:04
  they've done on on mushrooms, they communicate through miles
• 49:08
  and miles of earth. Trees literally consume.
• 49:14
  Yeah, there's there is, it's, it's not a bridge too far to
• 49:18
  think. Oh, there is a consciousness to
• 49:21
  the to these things somehow, right.
• 49:22
  And then in the dailiness of our lives, it's sometimes more
• 49:27
  difficult. Like you said, we still have
• 49:29
  appointments to get to. We have stuff to do.
• 49:31
  Why? Why is it so difficult for so
• 49:34
  many of us to? And how would you, what would be
• 49:38
  your advice say to, to cat parents?
• 49:41
  Because we have, you know, our, our community is such a
• 49:43
  beautiful community. Typically most of us, you know,
• 49:46
  have more, more than one cat and many of us several, several
• 49:52
  cats, right? And we say they're like potato
• 49:53
  chips. Once you pop, you can't stop.
• 49:55
  So, you know, a bunch of a bunch of kitties, furry family members
• 50:01
  that become very clear, we become very close to and many of
• 50:04
  us are very familiar with the loss of those kitties.
• 50:09
  What would you say to two cat parents who maybe aren't there
• 50:14
  yet or have gone through it but haven't really connected with
• 50:17
  it? Because it was the, as you said,
• 50:19
  it was a, a thinking thing. And I have to do this.
• 50:22
  And then I, I'm going to push that away and move on with my
• 50:26
  life and just continue doing this stuff even though this
• 50:28
  grief is building up inside. What would you say would be even
• 50:32
  a proactive way for us as parents to like to to better
• 50:38
  prepare our our souls for what's inevitable with our kiddies?
• 50:44
  Yes, such a good question. So I'll go to the first question
• 50:48
  1st. And so, yeah, how I see it,
• 50:52
  well, how I guess nature consciousness shares it with me,
• 50:55
  is we are part of that consciousness, but we are the
• 50:59
  only life form that has been separated from sacred.
• 51:04
  Everything else lives from sacred.
• 51:06
  The animals, the trees, the plants, the soils, they're part
• 51:10
  of it. And they're like, guys, we need
• 51:13
  you to come back to complete this circle and cycle of
• 51:18
  consciousness. And so how I see it and in that
• 51:23
  space is being being on this journey of coming.
• 51:29
  Yeah. Coming back to sacred.
• 51:33
  Oh, damn it. I had said I was going to say
• 51:36
  something that's gone. So if it comes back, it'll come
• 51:38
  back because I'm going to come back to that.
• 51:39
  So it's literally just there. What was I going to say?
• 51:46
  No, it's gone. It's gone.
• 51:48
  If it comes back, it's meant it's meant to be.
• 51:50
  Otherwise it's just being shed to your soul.
• 51:53
  But yeah, let me just try and I'm going to repeat that as if
• 51:56
  it comes back through. So we are the only life form
• 51:59
  that has been separate from sacred.
• 52:00
  As I say, everything else is part of consciousness.
• 52:03
  That's what I was going to say. So someone shared someone asked
• 52:06
  this, asked this to me before when I was channelling from the
• 52:10
  conscious of animals where they said, how do they feel with the
• 52:16
  suffering that humans to expose animals to?
• 52:22
  And it was a really beautiful reply because the short reply
• 52:26
  was like, well, of course, of course we're going to experience
• 52:31
  suffering. And I even I was a bit like, OK.
• 52:35
  And they were like, look, we are all part of consciousness.
• 52:39
  Suffering exists. So is currently part of
• 52:42
  consciousness, which means that not how they explained it is
• 52:46
  like not all animals are going to experience suffering, but
• 52:52
  individuals of every species are going to experience suffering
• 52:56
  while suffering exists. It's like love exists, but not
• 53:01
  actually everybody experiences love because of the belief
• 53:03
  systems and the traumas that humans experience.
• 53:06
  So then some individuals of every species experience love,
• 53:11
  but not all individuals. Whilst there's kind of, you
• 53:13
  know, hatred and bitterness and anger and, and all those things.
• 53:19
  So again, as consciousness, they're not in that space of
• 53:23
  like, why are you being really over to me?
• 53:25
  I'm really suffering. I am being abused.
• 53:27
  I am that I with consciousness. So, so individuals of, it's
• 53:31
  like, like that, I, it shouldn't be that way, but it kind of is
• 53:35
  because they're asking us to raise, raise our consciousness.
• 53:41
  And when these really big things happen, like we might hear
• 53:44
  across the world or locally or globally or nationally around
• 53:48
  like maybe a rescue centre or, I don't know, an animal holder has
• 53:51
  been abusing, abusing animals. And we hear that and you know,
• 53:54
  we love animals. It's sacrilege.
• 53:55
  We want this, we want to, what it does is we all take together
• 53:59
  collectively, like one giant lung, We all go, what?
• 54:04
  So in that moment, we've all raised consciousness and then in
• 54:07
  that moment we're good. You know, I'm going to be a
• 54:08
  little bit, I'm going to be a little bit more caring to my
• 54:10
  animals, even though I'm really caring with them.
• 54:12
  Going to be a little bit more caring to my neighbor, going to
• 54:14
  be a little bit more polite when I'm on the phone.
• 54:16
  I'm going to. So we stay there for a bit and
• 54:18
  for a while, some people, well, forever most, some people stay
• 54:21
  up here. But then bit by bit by bit, a
• 54:23
  bit, we get back into our busy days, our busy lives, our
• 54:26
  thinking mind, I'm a bad person, people out to get me.
• 54:29
  I can't trust her. So then we're back down here.
• 54:31
  We've gone back down the ladder until we hear something really
• 54:33
  bad again. So it's the consciousness way of
• 54:38
  raising us or trying to raise us into consciousness because as
• 54:41
  humans, we're the only life form, the only living being that
• 54:46
  has been taken away from sacred. And so that's that part.
• 54:52
  And yet the part of sorry, did you want to add to that?
• 54:56
  I'm, I'm absorbing. That's a fascinating concept,
• 55:02
  OK. Giant lung we're just like 1
• 55:04
  collective lung and because we are we're like here like we are
• 55:07
  talking via a computer, right? So, oh, I can't.
• 55:11
  But there's threads, there's stuff here, it's just we can't
• 55:13
  see it. But there's threads that connect
• 55:15
  us to everything, which is why you shared about, you know, we
• 55:18
  send love to the water and it changes its molecular structure.
• 55:23
  We send hate to a plant, it's going to die, decay, not like.
• 55:27
  So we're all, we're all connected and that's what our
• 55:30
  animal friends teach us. And then coming to that question
• 55:33
  with the yeah, we're all, you know, we're all on our journey
• 55:38
  of soul work. And that's why there's a lovely
• 55:42
  thing so we can never compare. And I heard recently, which I
• 55:44
  loved, it landed so beautifully, that all that comparison means
• 55:50
  is that we don't trust ourselves.
• 55:52
  That's so true. So we can't come there because
• 55:55
  our life experiences are completely different.
• 55:58
  Like I have grown up with, OK, the trauma of snowing, dying in
• 56:01
  my arms. But you know, it's not.
• 56:03
  My mum and dad weren't awful people.
• 56:04
  They just weren't trauma informed and didn't know about
• 56:06
  death or grief because they didn't have those teachings.
• 56:09
  But I had a lot of love from my mum and dad.
• 56:12
  We may have been in a situation like God.
• 56:14
  I actually remember when my first pet died in traumatic ways
• 56:18
  and like I, I was in the foster system or whatever it makes so
• 56:23
  our life experiences so we can't compare.
• 56:25
  So it's never about a race or you should feel better.
• 56:29
  Like that's why I always say softer.
• 56:31
  I never want to say it's easier because I don't know if it is.
• 56:34
  And I actually don't don't think it's fair or helpful to say, Oh,
• 56:37
  it'd be easy. You know, that is in itself
• 56:39
  disenfranchised grief, right? Like, Oh, you know, I, I, we, we
• 56:43
  get to recognize it more. And I always say, look, the
• 56:46
  first, the first victory is a recognition because we're
• 56:49
  recognizing it now. Maybe 2 days ago, we didn't even
• 56:51
  recognize it. So the first victory is always,
• 56:54
  I'm recognizing I'm, I'm being with in a different way.
• 56:58
  I'm, I'm, I'm something is landing in me that OK, there is
• 57:02
  something different that I can't even quite comprehend yet
• 57:05
  because this is the problem. As I'm speaking and sharing
• 57:07
  this, the mind doesn't speak to the sacred, doesn't speak the
• 57:13
  language of the mind and the mind doesn't speak the language
• 57:15
  of sacred. So we really have to drop into
• 57:17
  our bodies, drop into our heart. And then for a lot of us that
• 57:21
  are carrying these griefs that are survival strategies that
• 57:25
  are, that have come from fears like it's not safe for me to to
• 57:29
  be my flamboyant self. It's not safe for me to be my
• 57:32
  vulnerable, open, innocent self for all these life experiences.
• 57:36
  So then it becomes it's not safe for me to be in my heart.
• 57:39
  It's not safe for me to open my heart.
• 57:41
  So then it might just become for one person, how can I practice
• 57:45
  just for today or just in these three breaths?
• 57:49
  Oh, I'm feeling from my heart. Because we have different
• 57:53
  intelligences. Like for me, the thinking mind
• 57:55
  is intellect and knowledge. The body is a living Organism
• 58:00
  that has its own consciousness, that has its own mind.
• 58:04
  The heart has its own mind. And so we can ask a question of
• 58:08
  like, OK, well, what is my thinking mind telling me about
• 58:10
  this? OK, what is my body mind telling
• 58:13
  me about this? What is my heart mind telling me
• 58:17
  about this? And that's what I love.
• 58:19
  I, I mean, I bring this in my teaching so much and it's
• 58:21
  actually there, there is a, a very similar indigenous teaching
• 58:25
  and Einstein shared it in his ways, a quote where Einstein
• 58:29
  shares that the rational mind. So the rational mind is the
• 58:33
  faithful, faithful servant, the sacred mind.
• 58:37
  The intuitive mind is the sacred gift.
• 58:39
  But we live in a society that honours the servant and has
• 58:42
  forgotten the gift. So I'll share that again, the
• 58:45
  rational mind is the faithful servant.
• 58:47
  The intuitive mind, like doesn't need an answer, just knows.
• 58:50
  The intuitive mind is the sacred gift, but we live in a society
• 58:54
  that honours the servant has forgotten the gift.
• 58:56
  Well, our animal friend, they're like, we're that gift, you're
• 58:59
  that gift. So for me, it's as best as we
• 59:02
  can without blame. And then again, notice what
• 59:06
  comes up like I'm trying to do this and oh, I'm feeling
• 59:09
  fearful. OK, then stop or two breaths.
• 59:14
  Just can we go back just into a space of I'm slowing down the
• 59:19
  breath. Is it?
• 59:21
  Ah, it's bringing forward embarrassment.
• 59:23
  Well, great. That's also a charge.
• 59:24
  Brilliant. Who made you, who told you, who
• 59:27
  put embarrassment into you that you're an embarrassing person in
• 59:30
  the 1st place? So be with that embarrassment as
• 59:33
  you're sitting there going, oh, this concept of my animal
• 59:36
  friends transition in a different way.
• 59:38
  It might be, wow, a lot of tears are coming.
• 59:42
  Great. Then be with the tears because
• 59:44
  that's what's needed. It might be, oh, the radios just
• 59:48
  come on. I'm a bit spooked by that.
• 59:50
  That's your animal friend saying I'm here.
• 59:53
  So it's very individual. And because grief is an
• 59:55
  individual journey, there's a beautiful saying that grief is
• 59:58
  solitary work that we shouldn't do alone.
• 1:00:00
  And that's also one of the problems of grief.
• 1:00:02
  You know, I've already shared with death illiterate.
• 1:00:04
  And we're grief illiterate. Our soul isn't, our soul knows
• 1:00:07
  exactly how to be with grief. But one of the things that we
• 1:00:10
  had that we don't have any more is that we had a village.
• 1:00:14
  The village would come round and go.
• 1:00:16
  This is deep, sacred soul work. Don't go and take the kids to
• 1:00:21
  school. Don't be mam and housewife and
• 1:00:23
  cook the food. Don't do the the only thing you
• 1:00:26
  need to be with is your grief. We will take care of everything
• 1:00:30
  else for for I mean, not as long as you need in terms of months,
• 1:00:34
  but that be do nothing except be with your grief.
• 1:00:38
  But now, particularly for animal guardians, right, They're
• 1:00:41
  they're never mind just a cat, like just you'd be fine.
• 1:00:44
  Do you know what I mean? I'm like this was the most
• 1:00:48
  beautiful, divine, sacred being that loved me unconditionally,
• 1:00:52
  didn't hold a single belief about me, didn't hold a single
• 1:00:55
  judgement. And you're telling me they're
• 1:00:57
  never managed just a cat? We hear it all the time.
• 1:01:01
  And so we are in this space of we don't have the village or we
• 1:01:07
  can create the village, but then we can't compare our grief
• 1:01:12
  because grief doesn't come with a rule book or guidelines or how
• 1:01:15
  you know one-on-one how to do grief.
• 1:01:17
  It's so unique and individual as a medicine because of the
• 1:01:22
  individual life experience of the person.
• 1:01:25
  So for me, the first victory is a recognition and then it's that
• 1:01:30
  trust of depending on how soft or our intense it is, is
• 1:01:35
  absolutely what it is that we need.
• 1:01:37
  Like if things are comfortable, then we stay in the comfort and
• 1:01:43
  we we don't learn, we don't grow, we don't receive the
• 1:01:46
  medicine that actually we are holding.
• 1:01:48
  But where that discomfort comes, I always say the greatest
• 1:01:52
  discomfort is going to be the strongest medicine on the other
• 1:01:54
  side. We've just got to get through
• 1:01:56
  the other side to make that that contact with soul and but also
• 1:02:00
  being guided by ourselves like this is, this is lifelong and
• 1:02:04
  also possibly lives long or it can be.
• 1:02:08
  I'm gonna I'm actually I'm, I'm, I'm just calling, I'm calling on
• 1:02:11
  my animal friend to be with me. And just by doing that, I feel
• 1:02:14
  grounded. You know, we need to be ground.
• 1:02:15
  We need to be in our body. This is which I love.
• 1:02:18
  I mean, a lot of the a lot of the work that I do is that like
• 1:02:20
  we're calling in the light consciousness.
• 1:02:21
  I'm connecting to spirits. I'm but sacred is also the dark
• 1:02:25
  shadowy spaces where grief exists, where transition exists.
• 1:02:30
  That also is an old friend. So I'm solid in my body.
• 1:02:34
  If I'm having a day when I'm like, not today, I'm, I'm too
• 1:02:38
  shaken, I'm too nervous. Something else has come up, like
• 1:02:41
  how solid is our container? So how, how in our body do we
• 1:02:47
  feel? We've got to be in our body for
• 1:02:48
  this sacred work to come through.
• 1:02:52
  But yeah, really for me is what does the mind have to say about
• 1:02:56
  it? What does the body have to say
• 1:02:57
  about it? What does the heart say, have to
• 1:02:59
  say about it? Am I responding from the
• 1:03:01
  rational mind or the sacred mind?
• 1:03:03
  Because as I say, the sacred mind, this is intellect and
• 1:03:06
  knowledge. This is intelligence and wisdom
• 1:03:08
  just knows because it's infinite.
• 1:03:11
  So it just knows. And we start, the more that we
• 1:03:14
  practice, it's a little bit going to the gym, right?
• 1:03:15
  If I'm, if I'm going to the gym once a month and I'm like, I
• 1:03:18
  expect to get really muscly, it's not going to work.
• 1:03:21
  If I go once a month practically like, oh, I'm going to connect
• 1:03:25
  to my animal friend once when they've transitioned, it's not
• 1:03:29
  going to, we might receive, we might, but it becomes a practice
• 1:03:32
  and A, and then as a, as we practice it, as we live it, it
• 1:03:36
  becomes, Oh yeah, they're there, They're always there or I feel
• 1:03:39
  there. So I'm able to recognize that
• 1:03:41
  charge. And so yes, I mean, that's the
• 1:03:43
  the beauty and the hilarity of like, we can't be psychic all
• 1:03:46
  the time because we're probably are going to crash the car or
• 1:03:49
  not be able to take like can't imagine driving the obviously my
• 1:03:52
  dragon comes up, you know, like it's like, why did you crash the
• 1:03:56
  car? Because of my dragon, I'm going
• 1:03:57
  to get taken away and have to be in these spaces, these intimate
• 1:04:02
  spaces, which yes, we get in the ceremony.
• 1:04:04
  That's why for me, when we're in the ceremony, we do it together
• 1:04:07
  collectively, because the whole point of the ceremony is it does
• 1:04:11
  something the way we are supposed to feel different when
• 1:04:16
  we come out of the ceremony than what we did before we came in.
• 1:04:19
  It does something like Miguel Reviver says we sing, we dance,
• 1:04:23
  we drop, we drum, we rattle. We're in this space.
• 1:04:26
  When we're in those spaces, we're in non ordinary reality.
• 1:04:29
  We're in altered states of consciousness where we are
• 1:04:31
  dancing with our ancestors, we're dancing with our animal
• 1:04:34
  friends that are transitioned. We are we're with mushroom, with
• 1:04:36
  everything in this different way.
• 1:04:38
  So we're receiving, we come out again.
• 1:04:40
  They think in mind, but I still I still holding grief.
• 1:04:44
  Well, yeah, you probably are. But how does it feel?
• 1:04:47
  How does it taste? Where does it sit?
• 1:04:49
  Does it sit a little bit closer? Does it feel different?
• 1:04:52
  So it has this reparative function and it also allows us
• 1:04:56
  to connect to sacred, which it allows us to know there's
• 1:04:59
  something more than what my thinking mind can understand.
• 1:05:03
  There is something more than what I am and it actually made
• 1:05:06
  me feel better. So that's why I want to journey
• 1:05:08
  back into again and journey back into again.
• 1:05:11
  And one of the things that I, I share is something I just find
• 1:05:14
  so simple and yet so can be so, Oh, I was going to say easy
• 1:05:19
  there. Something so simple and can be
• 1:05:22
  quick to do is get, if you want to get a go out and buy a really
• 1:05:27
  beautiful journal. Like this journal is going to be
• 1:05:30
  messages from my animal friend that's transitioned.
• 1:05:32
  Or you can make decorate yourself or do, or for now, just
• 1:05:36
  get a piece of paper and in that notebook or paper, you're going
• 1:05:39
  to do some writing. The your pen is your magic wand.
• 1:05:42
  So it's almost like I'm like the consciousness of my animal
• 1:05:46
  friend is now in this pen. This is not a pen anymore.
• 1:05:49
  This is the conscious of my animal friend, and I am not even
• 1:05:52
  going to think I'm just going to allow that pen to write or I'm
• 1:05:55
  now going to bring forward a quick like are you are you say
• 1:05:57
  who you with? Are you Well, how you you got
• 1:06:00
  and just allow that pen to write.
• 1:06:02
  And that's where we can begin of like you read, like we can read
• 1:06:06
  it back and go. I don't even remember.
• 1:06:09
  I don't remember writing that we're not we're not thinking as
• 1:06:11
  we're writing. We're just allowing the pen to
• 1:06:13
  write. And that can be a really first
• 1:06:16
  step way of going, Ah, just channelled from my animal
• 1:06:22
  friend. I know that they exist still to
• 1:06:26
  them. They exist to them.
• 1:06:28
  They like, they literally are like, we don't need to be in a
• 1:06:31
  body to be alive. Guys.
• 1:06:32
  They they they say that quite hilarious way.
• 1:06:35
  I'm like, it hurts us, right? Animals, it hurts us, but
• 1:06:38
  they're like, we're still alive. If that helps answer your
• 1:06:42
  question. Yeah, awareness, I think is.
• 1:06:48
  You know the. The recognition, the awareness
• 1:06:50
  of, of, of this, I think really is the first step to being able
• 1:06:56
  to, you know, moving forward and back, right?
• 1:06:59
  Just being able to, yeah, being able to better understand with
• 1:07:04
  the thinking mind, but also feel and and I don't want to say let
• 1:07:09
  go of, but release the negativity around grief, you
• 1:07:17
  know? I I wish I could talk to you for
• 1:07:20
  years. I know.
• 1:07:21
  I'm sure that we've already clean.
• 1:07:23
  Up the best podcast we've. Ever had in our entire existence
• 1:07:26
  of podcasts in the past six years, we've heard this.
• 1:07:29
  I well, but I want to, I want to bring it back real quick to just
• 1:07:33
  that, that, that that very intimate experience, especially
• 1:07:37
  for someone who's just gone through this, you know, maybe
• 1:07:39
  they're here because they are grieving.
• 1:07:43
  If their companion animal could share with them a message, just
• 1:07:50
  something simple, something, something tangible in, in what
• 1:07:54
  can be a very dark time for somebody.
• 1:07:57
  What do you believe that message or what has?
• 1:08:00
  What have they shared as a message?
• 1:08:03
  So much, I mean so much. And you know, what comes through
• 1:08:10
  is this real deep, solid. It's almost like a pool of
• 1:08:15
  respect, not respect that of course we respect them, but it's
• 1:08:19
  self respect and then OK, what's behind the self respect?
• 1:08:22
  So self worth. So what's behind the self worth?
• 1:08:25
  Self value. So what's behind that?
• 1:08:29
  Love yourself without limits, respect who you are because
• 1:08:33
  that's how they see us that I we love you unconditionally and
• 1:08:39
  there reflection in that is, is to love ourselves
• 1:08:44
  unconditionally, but from that place of respect, value worth
• 1:08:47
  who took that away from you. Like what happened?
• 1:08:49
  Like really for each and every one of us, what happened to us
• 1:08:53
  to no longer have that respect of ourselves that our animal
• 1:08:56
  friends hold and that we give to them.
• 1:08:58
  But then we don't give to ourselves.
• 1:09:00
  And all the while, the like the amount of love that you give us,
• 1:09:03
  can you give it back to yourself?
• 1:09:05
  And then you'll see yourself, then you'll see us and then
• 1:09:08
  you'll see life. And I feel that's how I see
• 1:09:14
  animals now that I'm like, oh, there's a cat, there's a dog
• 1:09:16
  there. I mean, that's my thinking mind.
• 1:09:18
  And actually I want to end on this because it's just come in.
• 1:09:20
  There's something that breaks every time I hear it, I'm like
• 1:09:24
  just it's my soul. My soul gets so sorrowful
• 1:09:26
  because it's true. It's what happened to all of us.
• 1:09:29
  There's a saying that goes, the moment you tell a child a
• 1:09:34
  Blackbird is a Blackbird, they'll never see a Blackbird
• 1:09:38
  again. And it, it makes me want to cry.
• 1:09:41
  The moment you tell a child a Blackbird is a Blackbird,
• 1:09:45
  they'll never see a Blackbird again.
• 1:09:47
  The moment we tell or we're told that's a cat, we never see that
• 1:09:52
  cat again because our belief system, our thinking mind
• 1:09:55
  defines it. You're a cat.
• 1:09:57
  So this is what it means. So this is what your this is how
• 1:09:59
  your physical body functions. This is what you can do.
• 1:10:01
  This is what you can't do, what you're capable of.
• 1:10:02
  This is what you shouldn't do. Whereas who are you in fact,
• 1:10:08
  like beyond the label beyond I'm imagining I don't even have word
• 1:10:12
  like I've never seen you before in my life.
• 1:10:15
  What are you and who are you as a magical sacred being.
• 1:10:20
  And that's how I see animals now like my beautiful little Lilu
• 1:10:23
  was just sat there staring at me.
• 1:10:25
  Yes, I know she's a dog. I haven't given her the name
• 1:10:27
  Lilu, but I look at her and go, you're a beautiful spirit in a
• 1:10:32
  physical like I see you. I see you beyond the form that
• 1:10:35
  you're in and you're magnitude and your magnificence.
• 1:10:40
  And that's what our animal friends want to see us to see in
• 1:10:43
  them, but also in ourselves. And that's where we're to begin.
• 1:10:48
  And that's the lesson, right? Like that's the that's the
• 1:10:51
  awareness is, is you know, prior to them even transitioning from
• 1:10:57
  this physical being, understanding that they are
• 1:11:00
  beyond this physical being right now that they are we are right.
• 1:11:05
  And that's the person they're teaching us is that we are like
• 1:11:08
  the tree told you, you are enough.
• 1:11:10
  And yet we continue to battle with ourselves all the time.
• 1:11:15
  Yes, and but when we pull it pull into that, that sacred,
• 1:11:18
  when we make contact with sacred equally, and that's kind of what
• 1:11:22
  the grief does, because we go into this sacred space with
• 1:11:24
  grief and we're like, there I am.
• 1:11:28
  There's the totality of myself. And that in itself can be a bit
• 1:11:30
  scary because then you're like, wow, this is all that I'm
• 1:11:34
  capable of doing. This is all my power that I was
• 1:11:37
  told, you know, don't do that. Don't do that.
• 1:11:39
  Or like, I didn't, I forgot, I forgot.
• 1:11:41
  This is how powerful I am. That can feel scary of a sudden
• 1:11:45
  because we're remembering who we are.
• 1:11:47
  But our animal friends never forgot who they were.
• 1:11:50
  And that's again, they're like, guys, come on, we need you.
• 1:11:53
  We need you to be in this space for it to work, for it for it to
• 1:11:58
  all work. Wow, Oh my goodness, I have all
• 1:12:01
  the difference. Isla Fishburne Where can.
• 1:12:04
  You where can people follow your journey?
• 1:12:06
  Where can they find you and learn more?
• 1:12:07
  Yes, I know we've got links in the description, but thank you.
• 1:12:10
  So much, well, yes, you can go to my website, which is Katrina
• 1:12:14
  canine.com and actually on my website there is a free PDF that
• 1:12:18
  anyone can download. That is, it's information that I
• 1:12:21
  created for when and Animal Guardian.
• 1:12:23
  Isn't that space of the animal friend close to transitioning or
• 1:12:26
  has transitioned. There's some free talks on
• 1:12:29
  there. There's some resources.
• 1:12:30
  It also takes them through like a very simple basic ceremony,
• 1:12:35
  but yet a very powerful ceremony, some information on
• 1:12:38
  grief. And so there's that.
• 1:12:41
  I have a YouTube channel that I talk more about this stuff on
• 1:12:44
  different videos. And then my Facebook page is
• 1:12:47
  Isla Fishburne for my personal Katrina Canine Wellness for my
• 1:12:51
  business. And then Instagram is Katrina
• 1:12:53
  under score Canine under score Wellness.
• 1:12:56
  Thank you so much. Thank you so much for thank you
• 1:13:00
  so much for taking time out of your evening because to to come
• 1:13:05
  and be with us tonight. We're.
• 1:13:08
  We're just. We're so grateful, so grateful.
• 1:13:11
  Like I said, I think this is the best podcast ever so.
• 1:13:14
  Thank bless you. Got a wheel spending.
• 1:13:16
  I'm gonna try to bring it into the, what do you call it?
• 1:13:18
  The this mind and this mind. Good thinking.
• 1:13:22
  Mind bring it. Here, bring it.
• 1:13:24
  Into the sacred mind. Marinate there.
• 1:13:27
  Yeah. Doctor Hyla, thank you so much.
• 1:13:29
  For doing that. We'll have to do this.
• 1:13:31
  Hey, thank you so much for wanting to be on this platform.
• 1:13:35
  It's been beautiful. I love you guys so much.
• 1:13:37
  Sending you so many blessings.