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- 0:00Thanks for being here. I'm glad you're here. Caleb's coming around and giving out just a simple handout that has a couple of words on one side of it, some space for notes, and then a similar drawing to what I put up on the board, which I know is hard to see, but hopefully the one on the back of this will serve you better and maybe look something like mine by the time we're done together this evening.
- 0:30So, baptismal views. I have three goals for this evening. Number one, I want to bring some clarity to the two orthodox views of baptism.
- 0:45There's a lot of varied views, little nuanced things out there, but big views understood by those that we would call faithful Christians.
- 1:00That's number one. Just bring a bit of clarity to that.
- 1:02Secondly, I want to show that hermeneutics, or the way that we read the Bible, drive the varying understandings of baptism.
- 1:11So, we're going to back up a bit from the issue of baptism itself to help us see why the conclusion has come to.
- 1:19Thirdly, to defend in brief the position that our church holds.
- 1:26So, I just, I find it impossible to present an entirely fair and balanced view.
- 1:35I'm hoping that you will see that Presbyterians are not insane.
- 1:40So, Ty's here. Ty's the reason we're having this class tonight.
- 1:44Although, I think it's a good thing to do anyway.
- 1:46I want to help you see, there is a, or reasons that Ty has come to the conclusion that he's come to.
- 1:54Because we want to wrap our minds around, how is it that people who believe a lot of the things that we believe
- 2:02might differ on something that we also hold to be true.
- 2:06So, I want to give a little defense of credo-baptism, but I'm not even going to spend a ton of time on that.
- 2:14So, those are my three goals.
- 2:17I have two hopes for this evening.
- 2:19Number one, that tonight will be the beginning of many fruitful conversations.
- 2:23And that's the clarifying word there, that we actually have conversations that are helpful to us and our faith.
- 2:29Concerning the ordinance of baptism, tonight will not be enough.
- 2:33There's much, much more that could be said.
- 2:36But perhaps we'll spark and engage you in some great Bible conversation concerning these ordinances.
- 2:43Secondly, tonight, that I can help you to disagree agreeably.
- 2:52So, wherever you end up landing on this issue, just that you'll see there's reason for us to extend a lot of grace to one another
- 3:01as we're trying to navigate matters that aren't always as simple as we'd like for them to be.
- 3:07So, those are my three goals.
- 3:10Those are my two hopes.
- 3:11I've got some caveats, but I want to pray that the Lord would help us with those things,
- 3:15and then we'll proceed together.
- 3:16So, let's pray together.
- 3:17Father God, we do thank you for today, for the opportunity to gather together with the church this morning,
- 3:24and the way that you blessed our time together as we prayed and sang and heard your word preached this morning.
- 3:32We're glad now to be back together.
- 3:34And Father, I am grateful that we have any concern at all about what your word says about anything at all,
- 3:42and we recognize that this is a work of the Spirit on our behalf.
- 3:45You have made us alive.
- 3:48We were once dead, cared nothing about the things that most concern you,
- 3:53and you have saved us.
- 3:56And we are so glad this evening that we have any reason at all to open up the word and to think about it
- 4:02and think about how we can be obedient to it and to please you.
- 4:07And so, Father, I pray you'll help me to be clear that we'll have minds that can comprehend this evening,
- 4:13that you'll help us to be those who disagree agreeably,
- 4:18that there will be something distinct about your people when we find ourselves not seeing eye to eye,
- 4:26that we do so in a way that even embraces those difference,
- 4:30and that we would do that for the glory of Christ.
- 4:33And we pray this in His name. Amen.
- 4:37Okay, so two caveats for this evening.
- 4:41So first, and I mentioned this in brief already,
- 4:44but everything I will cover this evening could be given much more attention.
- 4:51Really, when approaching stuff like this, it's not really the way I like to teach.
- 4:56I'd much rather have the text and just tell you everything the text says and move on.
- 5:00But when you're coming at something like this, there's so much that could be said in the matter of it all.
- 5:06So I just thought it best to make every effort to handle it in a single evening,
- 5:11just because I know that our schedules are packed,
- 5:14and many of you don't really need to spend weeks on the matter.
- 5:17You don't need books and books presented to you.
- 5:21So I've tried to distill it down.
- 5:23I've tried to make it as simple and presentable as possible.
- 5:29I'm confident I won't do the best job of that.
- 5:31So just so you know, there are better people who could do a better job of this.
- 5:36But maybe because you know me, this will be good.
- 5:39Secondly, I'm going to do my best to fairly represent each view.
- 5:45But again, I'm just not an expert on the matter.
- 5:48So do ask good questions.
- 5:51Feel free to ask me questions.
- 5:52I'll do my very best to answer them.
- 5:54Do study on your own.
- 5:57Yeah, let's work toward the truth together and keep us moving.
- 6:02I do know the question has been asked if this could be recorded.
- 6:06I do think it's being recorded, but we're going to be doing some things on a whiteboard,
- 6:09so that may not be super helpful.
- 6:11So you might be able to be helpful to others.
- 6:15And I would encourage you to engage people in conversations about this very matter.
- 6:21Be wary of teachers and leaders who want to keep you from entertaining ideas and exploring truth.
- 6:31It's good, I think, for leaders to warn people like,
- 6:33hey, be careful with that, you know, that thing you're listening to or that doctrine of entertaining.
- 6:37There are certainly some very dangerous things that need to be shut down.
- 6:42But things like this ought to be encouraged.
- 6:44Like, yeah, take your time with it.
- 6:46Really consider it.
- 6:49We're confessional people.
- 6:52Confessionalism, I will ongoingly argue for.
- 6:56I think it's good for us to say what we think the Bible teaches about things
- 7:01and to summarize what we think the Bible teaches about things.
- 7:04It's a way to help us be faithful and continue to be faithful.
- 7:10And so I would rather have people in our church who are confessional.
- 7:16They believe something and they know why they believe something.
- 7:19I'd rather have that and go through the process, although it can be painful at times,
- 7:23of weeding through and disagreeing and finding ourselves, I hope, at some agreement at the end.
- 7:28I'd rather go through all of that process and have people know, for example, in this case,
- 7:33why you're a Baptist versus just kind of going along with it because it's how you grew up
- 7:39and it's what you know and you just kind of boop-a-doo.
- 7:41And there's peace because you don't say anything at all, but you don't really know what you believe.
- 7:46I think it's important for us to know what we believe and to be able to defend what we believe.
- 7:50And, of course, to do so with a great deal of charity.
- 7:54So, all right.
- 7:56So let's begin with some definition of terms.
- 7:59Now, I regret I had already pressed copy on this thing and realized,
- 8:02uh-uh, that's not the best way to do this.
- 8:03So there's three things I want to define for you just in brief.
- 8:07Pado-baptism.
- 8:09Credo or credo, you'll hear some people say.
- 8:12And some people also say pedo-baptism, which just irks me.
- 8:15So, pedo-baptism.
- 8:17I'm going to say credo-baptism.
- 8:19And then I realized that covenantalism, I made it look like this is a third view of baptism
- 8:24and it's not.
- 8:24We're going to talk about covenantalism to help us understand the other two views.
- 8:29So I just regret that looking like it's not a baptismal view.
- 8:32So I just want to be clear on that as we start to get into this.
- 8:36So, pedo-baptism.
- 8:39First, it's derived from the Greek pais, child.
- 8:43So it means child baptism specifically.
- 8:47Anglicans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, Episcopalians.
- 8:51There's a lot of faith traditions that are pedo-baptist.
- 8:56Not my intention to denigrate any practitioners of pedo-baptism.
- 9:01Some of the aforementioned denominations do so, though, merely for tradition's sake.
- 9:08They don't know why they do what they do.
- 9:10Some do so erroneously, believing doctrines like baptismal regeneration.
- 9:16There's some really, like, off-the-wall baptism stuff.
- 9:20We're not addressing every single view of baptism tonight.
- 9:24There's no scope for that this evening.
- 9:25So if you came for that, I do apologize.
- 9:29We're not going to be addressing the heretical pedo-baptist views this evening.
- 9:33Those that deny justification by grace through faith in Christ alone.
- 9:38The view I want to explain this evening is a wide-held view.
- 9:44Many who hold it do so out of an earnest desire to please the Lord by being faithful to His Word.
- 9:50So, I do think pedo-baptism is an error.
- 9:56But there's some comfort in the fact that it's an ancient error.
- 9:59There's been faithful Christians throughout time who have believed this,
- 10:03but also believe that we're justified by grace through faith in Christ alone.
- 10:08That's who I'm talking about this evening when I say pedo-baptists.
- 10:13It's those whom we agree with on primary doctrine.
- 10:17So that's who I'm talking about.
- 10:19But do know that when you use that term,
- 10:22there's also a lot of other stuff going on in that bigger and broader category.
- 10:27Now, to be clear, the name can be a little misleading
- 10:32because all pedo-baptists, that I know of.
- 10:36You may correct me. I may be wrong.
- 10:37But I believe all pedo-baptists believe in believer's baptism.
- 10:42That is to say, they believe that if a person was not baptized as an infant,
- 10:47comes to faith in Christ as an adult, then they should be baptized.
- 10:51So, it's a little misleading because it would make you think that they only baptized children.
- 10:56But that's not the case.
- 10:58If you come to faith as an adult and you were not baptized as a child,
- 11:01they all agree that you then should be baptized.
- 11:05The distinguishing factor is whether or not a child should be baptized.
- 11:09Who is the proper recipient?
- 11:12They would say those adults who profess faith in Christ and their children.
- 11:17So, there's the term.
- 11:19Pedo-baptism.
- 11:21Or pedo.
- 11:22Credo-baptism comes from the Latin credo or I believe.
- 11:28So, as a church, as a whole, we are credo-baptists.
- 11:33I want you to know that there are credo-baptistic practices that I do not agree with.
- 11:38So, again, we have this broad categorical term,
- 11:41and there's things that happen under that banner that I do not agree with.
- 11:47An example of this that's happening in the Southern Baptist Convention right now
- 11:50is called spontaneous baptism.
- 11:53And they will just set up the tank,
- 11:55and all you have to do is line up,
- 11:57and they'll put a cool t-shirt on you with their church logo on it
- 12:00and film the whole thing to be broadcast on the internet
- 12:03and count the numbers and then write the books and do all the other things.
- 12:07I think this is not a good practice at all.
- 12:12And I'm not defending that kind of a practice.
- 12:14Just because somebody claims to be a credo-baptist
- 12:18doesn't necessarily mean I agree with what they're up to.
- 12:22We hold that the only proper recipients of baptism
- 12:25are those who have made credible professions of faith in Jesus Christ.
- 12:31And there's a lot that could be debated and talked about.
- 12:33How do you determine that?
- 12:35We won't get into that this evening.
- 12:36But just simply put,
- 12:39we believe that those who should be baptized
- 12:41are those who make credible professions of faith in Jesus Christ.
- 12:45And so this evening, when I say credo-baptist,
- 12:48it is to those with whom we agree closely on the doctrine at hand
- 12:52that I am referring to.
- 12:55So not the erroneous stuff out there at the edges.
- 12:59So those are the two positions that we're going to look at this evening.
- 13:02You're probably in some measure familiar with them already.
- 13:07However, to help you, particularly when it comes to pedo-baptism,
- 13:12to understand the position,
- 13:14we need to talk a bit about covenantalism.
- 13:16So that's where covenantalism comes into this conversation.
- 13:20So covenantalism can be set against dispensationalism.
- 13:27And I'm not going to explain all of that to you,
- 13:29but we are not, as a church, dispensationalists.
- 13:33Dispensationalists believe that people were saved in different ages.
- 13:37That's what a dispensation is, in different ways.
- 13:41And that's an over-reduction of the terminology.
- 13:45But we distinguish ourselves from dispensationalists,
- 13:50and that's kind of the water we swim in in American Christianity,
- 13:53just so that you're aware.
- 13:55A lot of stuff, a lot of understandings come out of dispensationalism.
- 14:00But we, instead, are covenantalists.
- 14:03Our church, as a total, as a whole, we're covenantalists.
- 14:07But there's some different types,
- 14:10some different varieties of covenantalism.
- 14:13So three, I want to share with you, briefly.
- 14:17The first is Westminster federalism.
- 14:22Westminster federalism.
- 14:25And that is to say, this is from the Westminster Confession,
- 14:29federalism just speaks to the fact that Adam was our federal head,
- 14:32and now Christ is our federal head if we're found in him.
- 14:38This is also often called Reformed Covenantalism.
- 14:44And that's probably the term I'll use this evening.
- 14:48Westminster federalism is a mouthful.
- 14:51So is Reformed Covenantalism.
- 14:53But, Reformed Covenantalism.
- 14:55So it's been rightly said of Baptists
- 14:58that it's difficult for us to use the term Reformed.
- 15:02And I agree.
- 15:03I honestly don't think it's the best term for us.
- 15:07Often what we'll do is we'll call ourselves Reformed Baptists
- 15:09because we're making that distinguishing point there.
- 15:13But largely, the covenantalism of the Reformation
- 15:17was what we call Westminster Federalism
- 15:20or Reformed Covenantalism.
- 15:22Covenantalism.
- 15:23We're going to get into it.
- 15:24That's what this diagram here is going to look like.
- 15:27So we're going to go there here in just a minute.
- 15:31So it's all stemming out of 17th century writing
- 15:34Westminster Federalism.
- 15:36The second one is 1689 Federalism.
- 15:401689 refers to the Second London Baptist Confession.
- 15:471689 Federalism.
- 15:49And yep, that's the official term for it.
- 15:52They have not come up with anything
- 15:53catchier than that.
- 15:58And that is a Baptistic Covenantalism.
- 16:05And then the third,
- 16:07which we're not going to talk about in detail tonight,
- 16:09but it's Progressive Covenantalism.
- 16:14Progressive Covenantalism is not really
- 16:17too far apart from 1689 Federalism.
- 16:20This is a thing I've been discovering
- 16:22as your elders are having a lot of conversations
- 16:25about 1689 Federalism versus Progressive Covenantalism.
- 16:29And I'm finding only in some small applications
- 16:31is there really much difference at all
- 16:33between the two views.
- 16:35So both Baptistic,
- 16:36so we're going to talk 1689 Federalism tonight.
- 16:40I may make some,
- 16:41this is not all noted,
- 16:43so I may make some off-the-wall comments
- 16:46addressing Progressive Covenantalism as well.
- 16:50But that's where we're coming from
- 16:51as a Baptist church,
- 16:53is at least one of these two
- 16:55covenantal views.
- 16:57So ways that we read the Scripture.
- 17:01Okay?
- 17:02So Westminster Federalism,
- 17:041689 Federalism,
- 17:06Progressive Covenantalism.
- 17:08I'll stop there for just a quick second.
- 17:09Does anybody have any questions
- 17:11that are not like,
- 17:11what is 1689 Federalism?
- 17:14I set the trajectory for you already,
- 17:16I hope.
- 17:17So,
- 17:17anybody have any,
- 17:18am I flying over anything
- 17:19that anybody's repeated?
- 17:20Or,
- 17:21yes, my love.
- 17:26Well, I'm worried about asking it
- 17:27because the example you just gave
- 17:28is similar to the question
- 17:29I'm about to ask,
- 17:30but is there a way
- 17:31to like just really quickly
- 17:33define Progressive,
- 17:34I know that the last one you said,
- 17:36like,
- 17:36because I know that's very similar
- 17:37to what you just said.
- 17:38Is there anything that like,
- 17:40just if you ever try to write
- 17:41like a little bit of a definition,
- 17:42like a quick one,
- 17:43that would set it apart
- 17:44from the other two?
- 17:46Like,
- 17:46no taking any.
- 17:47No.
- 17:48Okay.
- 17:51They're,
- 17:51they're,
- 17:51they're real similar.
- 17:53So,
- 17:53I'll,
- 17:54the,
- 17:55I actually think
- 17:56that they're so similar,
- 17:58except in a couple of applications,
- 18:00they,
- 18:01they just use language differently.
- 18:03Okay.
- 18:03So,
- 18:04it's not,
- 18:04it's not something
- 18:05to be too fussed about.
- 18:06In fact,
- 18:07in my notes,
- 18:07I've got 1689 federalism
- 18:09and then as a,
- 18:09as a sub,
- 18:10as a sub category,
- 18:11I have Progressive Covenantalism
- 18:12just as like a,
- 18:14also this.
- 18:15Yeah.
- 18:16I,
- 18:17I think,
- 18:17I think we'll find
- 18:18that they agree
- 18:19on just about everything.
- 18:21So,
- 18:22okay.
- 18:25Anything else?
- 18:27Yes,
- 18:27Lynn.
- 18:27Do you think
- 18:28you just have to do
- 18:31the tie-in
- 18:31to the
- 18:32part of?
- 18:34Yes.
- 18:34Yeah,
- 18:35I said that super fast,
- 18:37but I said,
- 18:37how we read the Bible.
- 18:38Yeah.
- 18:38So,
- 18:39so how,
- 18:40as covenantalists,
- 18:42which we should be,
- 18:44right?
- 18:44It's good,
- 18:44good for us not to think
- 18:45that people were saved
- 18:47differently at different times,
- 18:48right?
- 18:49So that's,
- 18:50the big,
- 18:50the big overarching,
- 18:51and again,
- 18:51it's more complicated
- 18:52than,
- 18:52than I'm making that out to be,
- 18:54but is that,
- 18:54that people have
- 18:56always been saved
- 18:58the same way.
- 19:00There's not
- 19:00multiple ways
- 19:02in which
- 19:02people are saved.
- 19:03there are dispensationalists
- 19:05today that still believe
- 19:06that ethnic Jews
- 19:07are going to be saved
- 19:08differently than the rest
- 19:10of the world.
- 19:11My father was sharing with me,
- 19:12I was talking a little bit
- 19:13about some of these views,
- 19:15and my dad,
- 19:16when he worked at the
- 19:17North American Mission Board,
- 19:19was making the case,
- 19:20just the really good,
- 19:21honest case,
- 19:22that we ought to be doing
- 19:23more evangelism
- 19:24amongst Jewish people.
- 19:26And he said,
- 19:26I kept getting just
- 19:27odd answers,
- 19:28and I just never,
- 19:29like,
- 19:29it's like they didn't,
- 19:31it felt like they didn't
- 19:31like Jewish people,
- 19:32but it's like they were weird
- 19:33about whether or not
- 19:34we should share the gospel
- 19:35with Jewish people.
- 19:36I said,
- 19:37that was dispensationalism,
- 19:38that play.
- 19:39They were going,
- 19:40I don't know
- 19:41that we're supposed to.
- 19:42I think we're supposed
- 19:42to leave them alone
- 19:43because God's got
- 19:45a specific way
- 19:46that he's going to save them
- 19:47different than
- 19:49through faith in Christ.
- 19:51And we would just
- 19:52flatly reject that.
- 19:53Like,
- 19:53no,
- 19:53no,
- 19:54just read the book
- 19:54of Romans,
- 19:55right?
- 19:55Like,
- 19:55we would just reject it.
- 19:56So,
- 19:58yes,
- 19:59but the way
- 20:00you understand,
- 20:02and I'm going to show you
- 20:03the difference here
- 20:04in a moment,
- 20:05brings you
- 20:07to some conclusions,
- 20:09whether
- 20:10Paedo or
- 20:11Credo Baptist
- 20:12conclusions.
- 20:13yeah.
- 20:14So,
- 20:14I found,
- 20:16and I've
- 20:16studied this
- 20:17to some degree,
- 20:18but especially
- 20:19in starting to have
- 20:20good conversations
- 20:20with Ty,
- 20:21going,
- 20:21oh,
- 20:22okay.
- 20:23Because for a lot
- 20:24of years,
- 20:24I was very frustrated
- 20:25by the Paedo Baptist
- 20:27argument.
- 20:29And I'm going,
- 20:29okay,
- 20:30like,
- 20:30I get why you get there.
- 20:32And that's what my hope
- 20:33for you tonight
- 20:33is to kind of give you
- 20:34like my version of it.
- 20:35Like,
- 20:36oh,
- 20:36okay,
- 20:37I get why you get there.
- 20:38It makes more sense
- 20:39to me now,
- 20:40although I still disagree,
- 20:42but it makes more sense.
- 20:43So,
- 20:43yeah.
- 20:44Okay,
- 20:45so let's launch into it.
- 20:46Are you ready?
- 20:48All right,
- 20:48so,
- 20:49I feel like,
- 20:50this is not a thing
- 20:51I normally do,
- 20:51so bear with me
- 20:52as I try to write
- 20:54and talk
- 20:55and pull this off
- 20:56at the same time.
- 20:58I have never been
- 20:59a seminary professor,
- 21:00so we're going to try
- 21:01to make this happen.
- 21:03So on the back of your sheet,
- 21:03you have the two things
- 21:05that I've drawn
- 21:06minus a couple
- 21:07of little details.
- 21:08And so,
- 21:09I'm just going to let you
- 21:09write in
- 21:10and keep up
- 21:11with what you want
- 21:12to pull off
- 21:13as you do it.
- 21:14Okay?
- 21:15So,
- 21:16we're going to talk
- 21:17specifically about
- 21:18Westminster Federalism,
- 21:19Reformed Covenantalism,
- 21:20which is this top line
- 21:22up here
- 21:23first.
- 21:24And what
- 21:25this view sees
- 21:27in the Scripture
- 21:28is two
- 21:29overarching
- 21:31covenants.
- 21:33Okay?
- 21:33So just real quick,
- 21:34when I say the word covenant,
- 21:35what pops in your mind?
- 21:38Marriage.
- 21:41Sure.
- 21:42Did Abraham a covenant?
- 21:43What else?
- 21:45Agreement.
- 21:46An agreement.
- 21:47An agreement.
- 21:48Okay.
- 21:48Yep.
- 21:49Maybe you have a deep,
- 21:50a deep promise
- 21:51kind of an agreement.
- 21:52Yeah,
- 21:52sure.
- 21:53But you're popping on those,
- 21:54there's things in the Bible
- 21:55where you're like,
- 21:55oh,
- 21:55that's a covenant,
- 21:56that's a covenant,
- 21:56the Abrahamic covenant,
- 21:57the Noahic covenant,
- 21:58the Davidic covenant,
- 22:00those types of things.
- 22:03Covenantalism,
- 22:04particularly,
- 22:05the two we're going to
- 22:05talk about tonight,
- 22:06see two overarching
- 22:08covenants.
- 22:10There's the covenant
- 22:11of works.
- 22:12So this,
- 22:13this is my creation line
- 22:15right here.
- 22:18This is my fall
- 22:19line there.
- 22:23And here you have the
- 22:26covenant of works.
- 22:32Okay?
- 22:33So,
- 22:34Adam and Eve,
- 22:36right,
- 22:36created both able to sin
- 22:38and able to not sin.
- 22:41We're given commands,
- 22:43right?
- 22:44So Adam's put in the garden
- 22:45to work it and to keep it.
- 22:47He's told one thing
- 22:49that he cannot do
- 22:50that we have a record of.
- 22:52This is Genesis 2,
- 22:53verses 15 through 17.
- 22:55The Lord God took the man,
- 22:57put him in the garden of Eden
- 22:57to work it and keep it.
- 22:59And the Lord God
- 22:59commanded the man saying,
- 23:00you may surely eat
- 23:01of every tree of the garden,
- 23:02but of the tree
- 23:03of the knowledge
- 23:04of good and evil
- 23:04you shall not eat
- 23:05for in the day
- 23:06that you eat of it
- 23:07you shall surely die.
- 23:09Right?
- 23:09So there's the covenant
- 23:10of works,
- 23:12right?
- 23:12He could have,
- 23:13he could have stayed
- 23:14in good condition
- 23:16with his God
- 23:18in the place
- 23:18in which he lived
- 23:19had he done
- 23:21what he was supposed
- 23:22to do.
- 23:23Right?
- 23:23So this is the covenant
- 23:24of works.
- 23:25And it all falls apart,
- 23:28right,
- 23:28when Eve and then Adam
- 23:30disobey.
- 23:32Right?
- 23:32So Westminster
- 23:33federalism starts
- 23:34with Adam
- 23:35as our representative,
- 23:36right?
- 23:36all of us now
- 23:37guilty in him
- 23:39for his sin.
- 23:41Okay?
- 23:44After this,
- 23:45so everything
- 23:46from this line,
- 23:48so I'll draw it up here,
- 23:49and on,
- 23:53it's called
- 23:55the covenant
- 23:55of grace.
- 23:56everything
- 24:03happening after this,
- 24:05the covenant
- 24:05of grace.
- 24:08And we find
- 24:09the expression
- 24:10of this covenant
- 24:11in Genesis chapter 3,
- 24:13verse 15.
- 24:19Anyone just know
- 24:20off the top of their head
- 24:21what that verse is?
- 24:22It's a big one.
- 24:23often called
- 24:25the proto-euangelion.
- 24:28I will put
- 24:29enmity
- 24:29between you
- 24:30and the woman
- 24:31and between your
- 24:32offspring
- 24:33and her offspring.
- 24:35He shall bruise
- 24:36your head
- 24:36and you shall
- 24:37bruise
- 24:38his heel.
- 24:39Right?
- 24:40This is the very first,
- 24:41right,
- 24:42shadowed
- 24:43proclamation
- 24:43of the
- 24:45coming of Christ.
- 24:46He's going to come.
- 24:47He's the snake crusher,
- 24:47right?
- 24:48We use that language
- 24:48with our
- 24:49kiddos
- 24:50quite a bit.
- 24:51Right?
- 24:52So the covenant
- 24:53of grace
- 24:54is given
- 24:56in Genesis chapter 3
- 24:57and verse 15
- 24:59in this view
- 25:01and then
- 25:03ratified.
- 25:06So a covenant
- 25:07needs blood
- 25:08to be ratified
- 25:09either
- 25:14in Genesis
- 25:173.21
- 25:20or
- 25:22anybody
- 25:22tell me
- 25:23what happens
- 25:23in Genesis
- 25:233.21?
- 25:26Yep.
- 25:28That's right.
- 25:29He clothes
- 25:29Adam and Eve
- 25:29so there's
- 25:30the sacrifice.
- 25:31This is the
- 25:31first physical
- 25:32death.
- 25:33An animal
- 25:33dies in order
- 25:34to be made
- 25:34into clothing
- 25:35for Adam
- 25:35and Eve.
- 25:36Okay?
- 25:37So either
- 25:37ratified
- 25:38Genesis
- 25:383.21
- 25:40or
- 25:41in Genesis
- 25:42chapter
- 25:4215
- 25:43after that
- 25:46first giving
- 25:47of the
- 25:48Abrahamic covenant
- 25:48and then
- 25:49Abraham
- 25:50sees God
- 25:51he split
- 25:51animals in
- 25:52half
- 25:52and he
- 25:53makes the
- 25:53covenant
- 25:53and passes
- 25:54between them
- 25:55the smoking pot.
- 25:56Okay?
- 25:57So there's
- 25:58some variance
- 25:59in what
- 25:59holders of this
- 26:00view
- 26:00when they
- 26:01think exactly
- 26:02this was
- 26:02ratified
- 26:02but either
- 26:03way
- 26:03early in
- 26:05Genesis
- 26:05ratified.
- 26:07Okay?
- 26:08So there's
- 26:08the covenant
- 26:09of grace
- 26:10given
- 26:11here.
- 26:12Okay?
- 26:16Then you
- 26:16have
- 26:16so I've
- 26:17drawn little
- 26:17arrows
- 26:18because these
- 26:18are just
- 26:18pointing us
- 26:19along.
- 26:20Right?
- 26:20These are
- 26:20all covenant
- 26:21of grace.
- 26:22So people
- 26:23here
- 26:24are saved
- 26:26by
- 26:27believing
- 26:27that somehow
- 26:29as this is
- 26:30being revealed
- 26:31somehow
- 26:32God by
- 26:33his grace
- 26:33is saving
- 26:34them.
- 26:35Don't have
- 26:35the full
- 26:35realization
- 26:36yet of the
- 26:36cross of
- 26:37Christ
- 26:37but it's
- 26:38moving them
- 26:39in that
- 26:40direction.
- 26:40So you
- 26:43have the
- 26:43Noahic
- 26:44that's
- 26:46Genesis 8
- 26:47you have
- 26:48the Abrahamic
- 26:49Genesis 15
- 26:53and 17
- 26:54you have
- 26:55the Mosaic
- 26:56Exodus 19
- 26:59and 20
- 27:00you have
- 27:02the Davidic
- 27:032 Samuel
- 27:067
- 27:07you could
- 27:11put in
- 27:12here
- 27:12the
- 27:12Aaronic
- 27:13not
- 27:14ironic
- 27:15Aaronic
- 27:16the promise
- 27:17that there
- 27:17would be a
- 27:18lineage of
- 27:18priests that
- 27:19come from
- 27:20Aaron
- 27:20you could
- 27:20insert that
- 27:21one in
- 27:22there
- 27:22but these
- 27:23are the
- 27:23typical
- 27:24significant
- 27:25covenants
- 27:27that are
- 27:28made
- 27:28right
- 27:30pointing
- 27:32in this
- 27:32direction
- 27:33so
- 27:33moving
- 27:34toward
- 27:34covenant
- 27:35and then
- 27:41Christ
- 27:41Christ
- 27:42comes
- 27:42okay
- 27:43now
- 27:44what
- 27:45the
- 27:46holders
- 27:47of this
- 27:47view
- 27:47this
- 27:48reformed
- 27:48covenantalism
- 27:49will say
- 27:50is that
- 27:51there are
- 27:52there's
- 27:54one
- 27:54covenant
- 27:55covenant
- 27:55of grace
- 27:56under
- 27:57two
- 27:58administrations
- 28:00okay
- 28:00under
- 28:01two
- 28:01administrations
- 28:02so I'm
- 28:03going to
- 28:03write that
- 28:03up here
- 28:03and then
- 28:04I'm
- 28:04going to
- 28:04read to
- 28:04you
- 28:04from the
- 28:05Westminster
- 28:05Confession
- 28:05so
- 28:06this
- 28:07would be
- 28:07pre-Christ
- 28:08would be
- 28:08your first
- 28:09administration
- 28:09so
- 28:10from the
- 28:11fall
- 28:11and this
- 28:12ratified
- 28:13promise
- 28:13in Genesis
- 28:14315
- 28:14you have
- 28:15the
- 28:16first
- 28:17administration
- 28:17and
- 28:23after the
- 28:24cross of
- 28:25Christ
- 28:25you have
- 28:25the
- 28:26second
- 28:27administration
- 28:28the
- 28:33first
- 28:33administration
- 28:33!
- 28:35called
- 28:35the
- 28:35old
- 28:36covenant
- 28:39that's
- 28:40where we
- 28:40get our
- 28:41term
- 28:41old
- 28:41testament
- 28:41from
- 28:42and then
- 28:44here
- 28:44the
- 28:44new
- 28:48covenant
- 28:48can
- 28:53somebody
- 28:53tell me
- 28:54a sign
- 28:56of the
- 28:57old
- 28:58covenant
- 28:58the first
- 28:59administration
- 28:59that would
- 29:01pertain to
- 29:02our
- 29:02conversation
- 29:02tonight
- 29:03circumcision
- 29:04okay
- 29:05so that's
- 29:06going to
- 29:06matter here
- 29:07in just a
- 29:07second
- 29:07I'll
- 29:08show you
- 29:09okay so
- 29:09here we go
- 29:10this is from
- 29:12the Westminster
- 29:12Confession
- 29:13chapter 7
- 29:15section 5
- 29:16and I do
- 29:17for a moment
- 29:18want to
- 29:18want to
- 29:18commend the
- 29:19Westminster
- 29:19standards to
- 29:21you
- 29:21really helpful
- 29:23in a lot
- 29:23of ways
- 29:24disagree with a
- 29:25few things
- 29:26contained within
- 29:26but largely
- 29:27agree with a
- 29:29lot of it
- 29:29here I find
- 29:30myself disagreeing
- 29:31so heads up
- 29:32there but
- 29:33they say
- 29:34chapter 7
- 29:35section 5
- 29:36this covenant
- 29:38so referring to
- 29:39the covenant
- 29:39of grace
- 29:39was differently
- 29:42administered in
- 29:43the time of
- 29:43the law and
- 29:44in the time
- 29:44of the gospel
- 29:45under the law
- 29:47it was administered
- 29:48by promises
- 29:49prophecies
- 29:50sacrifices
- 29:51circumcision
- 29:52the paschal
- 29:53lamb and
- 29:54other types
- 29:55and ordinances
- 29:56delivered to
- 29:56the people of
- 29:57the Jews
- 29:58all for
- 29:59signifying
- 30:00Christ to
- 30:01come
- 30:01which were
- 30:02for that
- 30:03time sufficient
- 30:03and efficacious
- 30:05through the
- 30:06operation of
- 30:06the spirit
- 30:07to instruct
- 30:09and build
- 30:09up the
- 30:09elect in
- 30:10faith
- 30:10and the
- 30:10promised
- 30:11Messiah
- 30:11by whom
- 30:12they had
- 30:12full remission
- 30:13of sins
- 30:13and eternal
- 30:14salvation
- 30:14and it's
- 30:15called
- 30:16the Old
- 30:16Testament
- 30:17that's
- 30:18everything
- 30:18I was just
- 30:18saying
- 30:19right
- 30:19chapter 7
- 30:22section 5
- 30:23the Westminster
- 30:24confession
- 30:25so everything
- 30:29that's going
- 30:30on
- 30:30right
- 30:31from
- 30:32Genesis 3
- 30:3315
- 30:34all the way
- 30:35to the coming
- 30:36of Christ
- 30:37is all
- 30:37types
- 30:38shadows
- 30:39under
- 30:39this
- 30:39idea
- 30:40of
- 30:41an
- 30:41administration
- 30:42section 6
- 30:47so the
- 30:48following
- 30:48section
- 30:48chapter 7
- 30:49section 6
- 30:50under the
- 30:52gospel
- 30:52when Christ
- 30:53the substance
- 30:54was exhibited
- 30:54the ordinances
- 30:56in which the
- 30:56covenant
- 30:57is dispensed
- 30:58are the
- 30:58preaching
- 30:59of the
- 30:59word
- 31:00and the
- 31:00administration
- 31:01of the
- 31:02sacraments
- 31:02of baptism
- 31:03and the
- 31:04Lord's
- 31:04supper
- 31:04which
- 31:05though
- 31:05fewer
- 31:06in
- 31:06number
- 31:06and
- 31:07administered
- 31:07with more
- 31:07simplicity
- 31:08and less
- 31:09outward
- 31:09glory
- 31:10yet in
- 31:10them
- 31:11it is
- 31:11held
- 31:12forth
- 31:12in more
- 31:12fullness
- 31:13evidence
- 31:14and
- 31:15spiritual
- 31:15efficacy
- 31:16to all
- 31:17nations
- 31:17both Jews
- 31:18and Gentiles
- 31:19and it's
- 31:19called
- 31:20the
- 31:20New
- 31:20Testament
- 31:20there are
- 31:21not
- 31:22therefore
- 31:22two
- 31:22covenants
- 31:23of grace
- 31:23differing
- 31:24in
- 31:24substance
- 31:25but one
- 31:25and the
- 31:26same
- 31:26under
- 31:27various
- 31:27dispensations
- 31:29and they
- 31:29don't mean
- 31:30dispensationalism
- 31:31they just
- 31:31mean
- 31:31ages
- 31:32right
- 31:32they're
- 31:32just
- 31:33saying
- 31:33look
- 31:33different
- 31:34administrations
- 31:35of the
- 31:37same
- 31:37so
- 31:39of the
- 31:41covenant
- 31:41of grace
- 31:42they see
- 31:44a lot
- 31:45of
- 31:45continuity
- 31:45between
- 31:46the
- 31:47old
- 31:48and the
- 31:48new
- 31:49testament
- 31:50!
- 31:50covenant
- 31:51whatever
- 31:51word
- 31:52you like
- 31:52to insert
- 31:54there
- 31:54there's
- 31:54a lot
- 31:55of
- 31:55continuity
- 31:56between
- 31:57the two
- 31:58so
- 31:59you
- 31:59could write
- 32:00this
- 32:00and this
- 32:01is fair
- 32:01and I'm
- 32:02going to
- 32:02get
- 32:02Ty to
- 32:03confirm
- 32:03or deny
- 32:03this
- 32:04for me
- 32:04in just
- 32:05a second
- 32:05you could
- 32:07write it
- 32:07like this
- 32:07old
- 32:10testament
- 32:10israel
- 32:10equals
- 32:13new
- 32:15testament
- 32:19church
- 32:19and I'll
- 32:20explain
- 32:20church
- 32:22in a
- 32:22moment
- 32:22but
- 32:23Ty
- 32:23fair
- 32:24I'm not
- 32:28arguing
- 32:29against you
- 32:29right here
- 32:29I'm helping
- 32:30them understand
- 32:31lots of
- 32:32continuity
- 32:33is what's
- 32:33seen though
- 32:34between
- 32:35old
- 32:35testament
- 32:36israel
- 32:36and the
- 32:37new
- 32:37testament
- 32:38church
- 32:39specifically
- 32:40in this
- 32:41way
- 32:41right
- 32:42so
- 32:43again
- 32:44they're not
- 32:44all consistent
- 32:45but the
- 32:45consistent
- 32:46paedo-baptist
- 32:47right
- 32:48the
- 32:48westminster
- 32:49paedo-baptist
- 32:50is going to
- 32:51argue for
- 32:52both a
- 32:53visible
- 32:53church
- 32:54and an
- 32:55invisible
- 32:56church
- 32:56now as
- 32:57baptists
- 32:57we use
- 32:58that same
- 32:58language
- 32:58and we
- 32:59would use
- 32:59that language
- 32:59of invisible
- 33:00like
- 33:01throughout
- 33:01time and
- 33:02space
- 33:02so we
- 33:03would say
- 33:03the church
- 33:03invisible
- 33:04like the
- 33:04church
- 33:04that met
- 33:05all over
- 33:05the world
- 33:06this morning
- 33:06on sunday
- 33:06we can't
- 33:07see them
- 33:07they're
- 33:08invisible
- 33:08to us
- 33:08right
- 33:09they're not
- 33:10using that
- 33:10terminology
- 33:11the same
- 33:11way
- 33:11so perhaps
- 33:12you have
- 33:12read
- 33:13presbyterians
- 33:14before
- 33:14and maybe
- 33:15gone
- 33:15I'm confused
- 33:16about what
- 33:16they're
- 33:16talking about
- 33:16that's why
- 33:17they're using
- 33:17the terms
- 33:18differently
- 33:18than we
- 33:19tend to
- 33:19use those
- 33:20terms
- 33:20so what
- 33:21they mean
- 33:21is
- 33:22old testament
- 33:23israel
- 33:23israel
- 33:24was a
- 33:25nation
- 33:26state
- 33:26right
- 33:26there's an
- 33:27ethnic
- 33:32so all
- 33:33throughout
- 33:33the old
- 33:33testament
- 33:34we've just
- 33:35done a bunch
- 33:36of dealing
- 33:36with this
- 33:36in romans
- 33:379
- 33:37through 11
- 33:39right
- 33:39and there
- 33:40paul talks
- 33:40about a
- 33:41remnant
- 33:41who's
- 33:42saved
- 33:43throughout
- 33:43that time
- 33:44that would
- 33:45be
- 33:46presbyterians
- 33:46are using
- 33:47the term
- 33:47invisible
- 33:48church
- 33:48so those
- 33:48those who
- 33:49are actually
- 33:50by faith
- 33:51right
- 33:52believing
- 33:52believing in
- 33:53these types
- 33:54and signs
- 33:54and promises
- 33:55that this
- 33:56covenant
- 33:56of grace
- 33:57is effectual
- 33:58for them
- 33:58they are
- 33:59actually
- 34:00converted
- 34:01and saved
- 34:01right
- 34:02so there's
- 34:03the nation
- 34:03there's
- 34:05the
- 34:05visible
- 34:06nation
- 34:08and that
- 34:08nation
- 34:08takes what
- 34:09sign
- 34:09in the
- 34:10old testament
- 34:10they take
- 34:11the sign
- 34:12of
- 34:12circumcision
- 34:13right
- 34:13the boys
- 34:15right
- 34:16which is
- 34:16a sign
- 34:16for the
- 34:16nation
- 34:17right
- 34:17the sign
- 34:18of the
- 34:18covenant
- 34:18for this
- 34:20nation
- 34:20they take
- 34:21that sign
- 34:22but within
- 34:23that
- 34:24there are
- 34:25those jewish
- 34:25people who
- 34:26actually believe
- 34:27right
- 34:27who have
- 34:28placed their
- 34:28faith
- 34:29signs
- 34:30types
- 34:30they're
- 34:31believing
- 34:31they're
- 34:32believing
- 34:32that somehow
- 34:33it's going
- 34:33to be
- 34:34saving
- 34:34for them
- 34:34in that
- 34:36in this
- 34:36I'll use
- 34:37their language
- 34:38dispensation
- 34:38right
- 34:40of God's
- 34:40redemptive
- 34:41work
- 34:41so yes
- 34:42John
- 34:42yes
- 34:50yep
- 34:51yeah they
- 34:52certainly
- 34:52would
- 34:52I mean
- 34:52all the
- 34:53evidence is
- 34:54here for
- 34:54it
- 34:54right
- 34:54yeah
- 34:55for sure
- 34:55yeah
- 34:56okay
- 34:58so
- 34:59they will
- 35:00argue
- 35:00that today
- 35:01there is
- 35:02a
- 35:02a visible
- 35:04church
- 35:04which was
- 35:06made up
- 35:06of all
- 35:07those
- 35:07adults
- 35:08who profess
- 35:09faith
- 35:09in Jesus
- 35:10Christ
- 35:10and their
- 35:12children
- 35:12so they
- 35:14bring
- 35:14that language
- 35:15over
- 35:16so I've
- 35:17argued to
- 35:17you before
- 35:18that I
- 35:18think
- 35:18paedo-baptism
- 35:19confused
- 35:19because I'm
- 35:19going what
- 35:20are you guys
- 35:20doing that
- 35:20really
- 35:20confusing
- 35:21the
- 35:21nature
- 35:21of the
- 35:21church
- 35:21what I
- 35:22didn't
- 35:22realize
- 35:22is we
- 35:22actually
- 35:22believe
- 35:23something
- 35:23different
- 35:24about the
- 35:24nature
- 35:24of the
- 35:24church
- 35:25of course
- 35:25it does
- 35:26because we
- 35:27actually believe
- 35:28something
- 35:28different
- 35:29about the
- 35:29nature
- 35:29of the
- 35:30church
- 35:31so there's
- 35:31going to
- 35:31be a
- 35:32visible
- 35:32church
- 35:33right
- 35:33it's
- 35:33those
- 35:34who
- 35:34are
- 35:34who
- 35:34are
- 35:34baptized
- 35:35but there's
- 35:36going to
- 35:36be a
- 35:37subset
- 35:37of that
- 35:37church
- 35:38who
- 35:38have
- 35:39placed
- 35:39believing
- 35:39faith
- 35:40in
- 35:40Christ
- 35:41now
- 35:42for me
- 35:43something
- 35:44that was
- 35:44helpful
- 35:44right now
- 35:46your elders
- 35:47are thinking
- 35:48a lot
- 35:48about what
- 35:50we want to
- 35:50do with
- 35:50young people
- 35:51who are
- 35:51professing
- 35:52faith
- 35:52in
- 35:52Christ
- 35:53so we
- 35:54want to
- 35:54be so
- 35:54careful
- 35:55that we
- 35:56don't give
- 35:56false
- 35:57assurance
- 35:57to young
- 35:58people
- 35:58professing
- 35:59faith
- 35:59in
- 35:59Christ
- 36:00right
- 36:00Baptists
- 36:01have been
- 36:01bad at
- 36:02this
- 36:02in this
- 36:03past
- 36:03generation
- 36:04right
- 36:04I love
- 36:05Jesus
- 36:06like
- 36:07tally
- 36:08the number
- 36:09right
- 36:09and it's
- 36:11the common
- 36:11it's the
- 36:12common
- 36:12testimony
- 36:13of young
- 36:14people who
- 36:15come here
- 36:15and are
- 36:16baptized
- 36:16that they
- 36:17were baptized
- 36:17when they
- 36:18were
- 36:18seven or
- 36:19eight
- 36:19pretty
- 36:20pretty
- 36:20typical
- 36:21they
- 36:22come to
- 36:22later
- 36:22believe
- 36:23they
- 36:23weren't
- 36:24actually
- 36:24Christians
- 36:24at that
- 36:25time
- 36:25and I'm
- 36:25not saying
- 36:25that young
- 36:26people can't
- 36:26be saved
- 36:26I believe
- 36:27young people
- 36:27can be
- 36:28saved
- 36:28I think
- 36:29I was
- 36:29saved
- 36:29at a very
- 36:30young age
- 36:31let the
- 36:31children come
- 36:31to me
- 36:32we're not
- 36:32arguing that
- 36:33but we
- 36:33are we
- 36:34we do
- 36:34want to be
- 36:34really careful
- 36:35about that
- 36:36peace that
- 36:36credible
- 36:37profession
- 36:37of faith
- 36:38in Christ
- 36:39we want to
- 36:39be really
- 36:40careful
- 36:40about who
- 36:41who we
- 36:42bring in
- 36:43and call
- 36:43church
- 36:44okay
- 36:44so that's
- 36:45the perspective
- 36:45that we're
- 36:46coming from
- 36:46we intend
- 36:47to bring
- 36:47this to
- 36:48you
- 36:48have a
- 36:48big
- 36:48old
- 36:48conversation
- 36:49about
- 36:49what we
- 36:50think we
- 36:50should do
- 36:51and present
- 36:51it to
- 36:51the church
- 36:52to
- 36:53affirm
- 36:54or deny
- 36:54you could
- 36:55disagree
- 36:55with us
- 36:55we're okay
- 36:57with that
- 36:58I think
- 36:58so
- 36:59I'm trying
- 37:00to think
- 37:00really carefully
- 37:01about that
- 37:02Presbyterians
- 37:03do this
- 37:03in various
- 37:04ways
- 37:04with a
- 37:05different
- 37:06ordinance
- 37:07they do
- 37:08a process
- 37:09of confirmation
- 37:09that goes on
- 37:10and again
- 37:11I'm arguing
- 37:12good
- 37:13good
- 37:14orthodox
- 37:14pedo-baptist
- 37:16churches
- 37:16that's where
- 37:17they're
- 37:18primarily
- 37:18concerned
- 37:19because
- 37:20they say
- 37:21you can't
- 37:22inspect
- 37:23yourself
- 37:24you can't
- 37:24approach
- 37:25the table
- 37:25carefully
- 37:26if you're
- 37:27not in
- 37:27Christ
- 37:28and so
- 37:29they go
- 37:29through a
- 37:29process
- 37:30at that
- 37:30point
- 37:31to be
- 37:31careful
- 37:31about
- 37:32who
- 37:33gets
- 37:34to receive
- 37:34that
- 37:34now
- 37:34there are
- 37:35some
- 37:35out there
- 37:36Doug Wilson
- 37:36who
- 37:37practice
- 37:38pedo-communion
- 37:39too
- 37:40and they
- 37:40have their
- 37:40kids
- 37:41eating
- 37:41and I
- 37:42just
- 37:42get
- 37:42I mean
- 37:43frankly
- 37:44it's more
- 37:44consistent
- 37:44but I
- 37:45get real
- 37:45uncomfortable
- 37:45with that
- 37:46but
- 37:46I
- 37:47digress
- 37:47so
- 37:48that
- 37:50helped
- 37:50me
- 37:50go
- 37:50okay
- 37:51we're
- 37:52we're
- 37:52both
- 37:53being
- 37:54careful
- 37:55baptists
- 37:56are being
- 37:56careful
- 37:56with a
- 37:58particular
- 37:58ordinance
- 37:59rather than
- 38:00the
- 38:00we're
- 38:01careful
- 38:01with the
- 38:01other
- 38:02one
- 38:02as
- 38:02well
- 38:02but
- 38:02we're
- 38:02really
- 38:03careful
- 38:03on the
- 38:04front
- 38:04end
- 38:04of
- 38:06that
- 38:06equation
- 38:07so
- 38:07yes
- 38:07Jim
- 38:08why do
- 38:08you think
- 38:09that Doug
- 38:09will see
- 38:09what you
- 38:10point
- 38:10as
- 38:10ordinance
- 38:10!
- 38:12because
- 38:13he's
- 38:15equating
- 38:16the two
- 38:16things
- 38:17he's
- 38:17saying
- 38:18that
- 38:18they're
- 38:18part
- 38:18of
- 38:18a
- 38:18church
- 38:19therefore
- 38:19they should
- 38:19be
- 38:19able to
- 38:20receive
- 38:21the
- 38:21sacraments
- 38:21of the
- 38:22church
- 38:22it's
- 38:24more
- 38:24consistent
- 38:24with the
- 38:25Westminster
- 38:25language
- 38:25honestly
- 38:26before it
- 38:27gets there
- 38:27yes
- 38:27tie
- 38:28yeah
- 38:29sounds like
- 38:43pedo
- 38:44communion
- 38:44to me
- 38:44that's a
- 38:47very
- 38:47very
- 38:48very
- 38:48baptist
- 38:49thing
- 38:49to say
- 38:49okay
- 38:55yes
- 38:57yes
- 38:58yes
- 38:58it is
- 38:59okay
- 39:01so
- 39:01this
- 39:01is
- 39:02this
- 39:03this
- 39:04is the
- 39:04thing
- 39:04for me
- 39:05like
- 39:05this
- 39:05is why
- 39:06I'm
- 39:06backing
- 39:06you
- 39:06way
- 39:06up
- 39:07to
- 39:07covenant
- 39:07theology
- 39:08to
- 39:08reform
- 39:09covenant
- 39:09theology
- 39:10to go
- 39:10this
- 39:10is my
- 39:11case
- 39:11like
- 39:11I
- 39:12don't
- 39:12think
- 39:12it's
- 39:12crazy
- 39:13that
- 39:13they
- 39:13get
- 39:14there
- 39:14again
- 39:15I
- 39:15don't
- 39:15agree
- 39:16I
- 39:16do
- 39:16think
- 39:17it's
- 39:17an
- 39:17error
- 39:17but
- 39:17this
- 39:18is
- 39:18how
- 39:18they're
- 39:19getting
- 39:19to
- 39:19this
- 39:19place
- 39:19so
- 39:20I've
- 39:20heard
- 39:20R.C.
- 39:20Sproul
- 39:21say
- 39:21if you
- 39:22read
- 39:22the
- 39:22Bible
- 39:22from
- 39:23the
- 39:23front
- 39:23to
- 39:24the
- 39:24back
- 39:24you'll
- 39:24be
- 39:25a
- 39:25paedo
- 39:25baptist
- 39:26if you
- 39:26read
- 39:26it
- 39:26from
- 39:26the
- 39:26back
- 39:27to
- 39:27the
- 39:27front
- 39:27then
- 39:27you'll
- 39:28be
- 39:28a
- 39:29credo
- 39:29baptist
- 39:30that's
- 39:30what
- 39:31he
- 39:31means
- 39:31he's
- 39:31just
- 39:31basically
- 39:32saying
- 39:32you
- 39:33have
- 39:33to
- 39:33bring
- 39:33all
- 39:34of
- 39:34the
- 39:34Old
- 39:34Testament
- 39:35data
- 39:35to
- 39:36the
- 39:36New
- 39:37Testament
- 39:37and
- 39:38there
- 39:38would
- 39:38have
- 39:38been
- 39:38this
- 39:39understanding
- 39:39amongst
- 39:49this
- 39:49is
- 39:49the
- 39:50way
- 39:50he's
- 39:51reading
- 39:51the
- 39:51Bible
- 39:51and
- 39:51he's
- 39:51really
- 39:52studied
- 39:52it
- 39:52too
- 39:52feel
- 39:54free
- 39:54to
- 39:54try
- 39:54to
- 39:54punch
- 39:55holes
- 39:55don't
- 39:55wear
- 39:56them
- 39:56out
- 39:56he'll
- 39:57have
- 39:57answers
- 39:58for
- 39:58you
- 39:58he's
- 39:58really
- 39:59thought
- 39:59it
- 39:59through
- 40:00and
- 40:00he's
- 40:00convinced
- 40:01of
- 40:01this
- 40:01I do
- 40:04want to
- 40:04read
- 40:04to
- 40:04you
- 40:04just
- 40:06to
- 40:06give
- 40:07some
- 40:07help
- 40:09from the
- 40:10paedo
- 40:10baptist
- 40:10perspective
- 40:11they
- 40:11do
- 40:13believe
- 40:13in
- 40:14salvation
- 40:14by grace
- 40:15through
- 40:15faith
- 40:15in
- 40:15Christ
- 40:16alone
- 40:17sometimes
- 40:18I find
- 40:18the
- 40:18language
- 40:19confusing
- 40:20it's
- 40:21a little
- 40:21even
- 40:22a little
- 40:22frustrating
- 40:22to me
- 40:22don't
- 40:23use
- 40:23the word
- 40:23that way
- 40:24if you
- 40:24don't
- 40:24mean
- 40:24baptism
- 40:25is
- 40:25salvific
- 40:26of
- 40:27children
- 40:27this
- 40:29is
- 40:29their
- 40:29chapter
- 40:3028
- 40:30section
- 40:301
- 40:31this
- 40:32is
- 40:32a
- 40:32good
- 40:33statement
- 40:34on
- 40:34baptism
- 40:35baptism
- 40:36is
- 40:37a
- 40:37sacrament
- 40:37of
- 40:37the
- 40:37new
- 40:38testament
- 40:38ordained
- 40:39by
- 40:39Jesus
- 40:39Christ
- 40:40not
- 40:41only
- 40:41for
- 40:42the
- 40:42solemn
- 40:42admission
- 40:43of
- 40:43the
- 40:43party
- 40:43baptized
- 40:44into
- 40:44the
- 40:44visible
- 40:46church
- 40:47!
- 40:47but
- 40:49also
- 40:49to be
- 40:50unto
- 40:50him
- 40:51a
- 40:51sign
- 40:51and
- 40:51seal
- 40:51of
- 40:52the
- 40:52covenant
- 40:52of
- 40:52grace
- 40:53of
- 40:53his
- 40:54engrafting
- 40:55into
- 40:55Christ
- 40:56of
- 40:56regeneration
- 40:57of
- 40:57remission
- 40:58of
- 40:58sins
- 40:58and
- 40:58of
- 40:59giving
- 40:59up
- 40:59unto
- 41:00God
- 41:00through
- 41:00Jesus
- 41:01Christ
- 41:01to
- 41:01walk
- 41:02in
- 41:02the
- 41:02newness
- 41:02of
- 41:02life
- 41:03which
- 41:03sacrament
- 41:04is
- 41:04by
- 41:05Christ's
- 41:05own
- 41:05appointment
- 41:06to be
- 41:07continued
- 41:07in
- 41:07his
- 41:07church
- 41:08until
- 41:08the
- 41:09end
- 41:09of
- 41:10the
- 41:10world
- 41:10right
- 41:10so
- 41:11love
- 41:12chapter
- 41:1328
- 41:13section
- 41:13one
- 41:14if
- 41:15you
- 41:15understand
- 41:15what
- 41:15they
- 41:15mean
- 41:16by
- 41:16visible
- 41:16church
- 41:16but
- 41:17the
- 41:17rest
- 41:18of
- 41:18it
- 41:18I'm
- 41:18like
- 41:18yes
- 41:18yes
- 41:19yes
- 41:19yes
- 41:19and
- 41:20yes
- 41:20the
- 41:22language
- 41:23essentially
- 41:23even
- 41:24though
- 41:25you get
- 41:26into
- 41:26other
- 41:26articles
- 41:26it
- 41:27doesn't
- 41:27feel
- 41:27this
- 41:28way
- 41:28to
- 41:28us
- 41:28is
- 41:29what
- 41:30it's
- 41:30saying
- 41:30is
- 41:30there's
- 41:31the
- 41:31promise
- 41:32is
- 41:32offered
- 41:33for
- 41:33salvation
- 41:34and
- 41:35it's
- 41:35especially
- 41:36offered
- 41:36to the
- 41:36children
- 41:37of those
- 41:37who
- 41:37believe
- 41:38functionally
- 41:40we tend
- 41:40to
- 41:41agree
- 41:41right
- 41:42I
- 41:42mean
- 41:42we
- 41:42have
- 41:42a
- 41:42church
- 41:43that
- 41:43is
- 41:43big
- 41:44on
- 41:44having
- 41:44our
- 41:44kids
- 41:44with
- 41:45us
- 41:45and
- 41:46we
- 41:46see
- 41:46like
- 41:46as
- 41:46a
- 41:47pattern
- 41:47people
- 41:47tend
- 41:48to
- 41:48come
- 41:48to
- 41:49faith
- 41:49in
- 41:50large
- 41:50numbers
- 41:51in
- 41:51homes
- 41:52of
- 41:52Christian
- 41:53people
- 41:53there
- 41:53seems
- 41:54to
- 41:54be
- 41:54some
- 41:55generational
- 41:56faithfulness
- 41:57on
- 41:57God's
- 41:58part
- 41:59so
- 42:00from
- 42:02my
- 42:03best
- 42:03understanding
- 42:03and
- 42:04again
- 42:04I'm
- 42:04no
- 42:04expert
- 42:04on
- 42:05the
- 42:05matter
- 42:06and
- 42:06I
- 42:06can
- 42:06appeal
- 42:06to
- 42:06Ty
- 42:07but
- 42:07Ty
- 42:07is
- 42:07also
- 42:07not
- 42:07he's
- 42:08not
- 42:08been
- 42:08in
- 42:08a
- 42:08Presbyan
- 42:09church
- 42:09for
- 42:09a
- 42:09long
- 42:09time
- 42:09they're
- 42:11essentially
- 42:12using
- 42:13infant
- 42:14baptism
- 42:14like
- 42:15it's
- 42:15like
- 42:15a
- 42:15and
- 42:17this
- 42:17is
- 42:17going
- 42:17to
- 42:17sound
- 42:17so
- 42:17paltry
- 42:18so
- 42:18I
- 42:18don't
- 42:18mean
- 42:18for
- 42:18it
- 42:18to
- 42:18but
- 42:19it's
- 42:19like
- 42:19it's
- 42:19like
- 42:19a
- 42:19ramped
- 42:20up
- 42:20baby
- 42:22dedication
- 42:22right
- 42:23it's
- 42:24it's
- 42:24a
- 42:24baby
- 42:24dedication
- 42:25that
- 42:25they
- 42:25think
- 42:25has
- 42:26some
- 42:26some
- 42:27God
- 42:27ordination
- 42:28special
- 42:30work
- 42:31that's
- 42:31being
- 42:31done
- 42:32as
- 42:32the
- 42:32church
- 42:37being
- 42:37offered
- 42:38to
- 42:38that
- 42:39child
- 42:39as
- 42:39the
- 42:39child
- 42:40of
- 42:40believing
- 42:40parents
- 42:41in
- 42:41a
- 42:42church
- 42:42that's
- 42:42going
- 42:43to
- 42:43teach
- 42:43the
- 42:43gospel
- 42:43to
- 42:44them
- 42:44so
- 42:45that's
- 42:46not
- 42:47crazy
- 42:48not
- 42:48crazy
- 42:49it's
- 42:51an
- 42:51error
- 42:51I love
- 42:52you
- 42:52Ty
- 42:53but
- 42:53it's
- 42:53not
- 42:53crazy
- 42:53right
- 42:55okay
- 42:56are you
- 42:58guys
- 42:58leaving
- 42:58us
- 42:59are you
- 42:59just
- 42:59okay
- 43:00you're
- 43:01like
- 43:01you're
- 43:01like
- 43:01all
- 43:03right
- 43:03we
- 43:03heard
- 43:04the
- 43:04part
- 43:04on
- 43:04Westminster
- 43:04federalism
- 43:05we're
- 43:05out
- 43:05yeah
- 43:10so
- 43:11we
- 43:23would
- 43:23use
- 43:23the
- 43:24term
- 43:24invisible
- 43:24visible
- 43:25would
- 43:26be
- 43:26the
- 43:26local
- 43:26church
- 43:26like
- 43:27the
- 43:28church
- 43:28we
- 43:29might
- 43:29even
- 43:29expand
- 43:29that
- 43:30to
- 43:30like
- 43:30the
- 43:30churches
- 43:30down
- 43:31the
- 43:31street
- 43:31people
- 43:32we
- 43:32can
- 43:32know
- 43:32people
- 43:33we
- 43:33can
- 43:33see
- 43:33it's
- 43:35very
- 43:35like
- 43:35on
- 43:37the
- 43:37surface
- 43:37versus
- 43:38invisible
- 43:39would
- 43:39be
- 43:40the
- 43:41church
- 43:42that
- 43:42my
- 43:42grandparents
- 43:43went
- 43:43to
- 43:43they're
- 43:44all
- 43:44dead
- 43:45right
- 43:45like
- 43:46I
- 43:46can't
- 43:46see
- 43:46them
- 43:46or
- 43:47the
- 43:47church
- 43:47in
- 43:47China
- 43:48this
- 43:48morning
- 43:48I
- 43:49can't
- 43:49see
- 43:49them
- 43:49we
- 43:49would
- 43:50use
- 43:50the
- 43:50terms
- 43:50that
- 43:50way
- 43:51correct
- 43:57we do
- 43:58not
- 43:58mean
- 43:58that
- 43:59no
- 44:00do
- 44:01not
- 44:01mean
- 44:01that
- 44:01yeah
- 44:02the
- 44:02visible
- 44:03church
- 44:03for
- 44:04us
- 44:04because
- 44:05we're
- 44:05Baptists
- 44:06would
- 44:06be
- 44:06the
- 44:07members
- 44:07of
- 44:07our
- 44:07church
- 44:07and
- 44:09and
- 44:09then
- 44:10I
- 44:10would
- 44:10suggest
- 44:10and
- 44:11I
- 44:11might
- 44:12extend
- 44:12it
- 44:12to
- 44:12those
- 44:12I
- 44:13hope
- 44:13like
- 44:13I
- 44:13see
- 44:14a lot
- 44:14of
- 44:14fruit
- 44:15in
- 44:15and
- 44:15I
- 44:15hope
- 44:16to
- 44:16see
- 44:16become
- 44:16members
- 44:16of
- 44:17our
- 44:17church
- 44:17because
- 44:18you're
- 44:18you know
- 44:19members
- 44:20somewhere
- 44:20perhaps
- 44:21coming
- 44:21from a
- 44:21place
- 44:22to a
- 44:22place
- 44:22etc
- 44:23so
- 44:24yes
- 44:35yes
- 44:35because
- 44:36there's
- 44:36lots
- 44:37of
- 44:37scripture
- 44:37that
- 44:37talks
- 44:38about
- 44:38I
- 44:38mean
- 44:39the
- 44:39work
- 44:40of
- 44:40discipline
- 44:41is
- 44:41to
- 44:41is
- 44:42to
- 44:42hopefully
- 44:43to
- 44:43minimize
- 44:44mitigate
- 44:46that
- 44:46as a
- 44:46problem
- 44:46in the
- 44:47church
- 44:47but
- 44:47we
- 44:48get
- 44:48parables
- 44:48like
- 44:49the
- 44:49wheat
- 44:49and
- 44:49the
- 44:49tares
- 44:49at
- 44:50the
- 44:50end
- 44:51God's
- 44:51going
- 44:51to
- 44:51have
- 44:51to
- 44:51do
- 44:52a
- 44:52sifting
- 44:52of
- 44:53us
- 44:53but
- 44:53we
- 44:53do
- 44:54I
- 44:55think
- 44:55are
- 44:55meant
- 44:56to
- 44:56be
- 44:56about
- 44:56the
- 44:56work
- 44:57of
- 44:57examining
- 44:58the
- 44:58soils
- 44:58and
- 44:59working
- 45:00no
- 45:06in fact
- 45:06the
- 45:06Bible
- 45:06doesn't
- 45:07give us
- 45:07visible
- 45:07and
- 45:07invisible
- 45:08as
- 45:09categories
- 45:10I
- 45:11suggest
- 45:12so
- 45:13that
- 45:15make
- 45:15sense
- 45:15yeah
- 45:22we
- 45:23Baptist
- 45:23Baptist
- 45:24really
- 45:25like
- 45:25the
- 45:25thing
- 45:25that
- 45:26most
- 45:26distinguishes
- 45:27Baptist
- 45:27is
- 45:27Baptist
- 45:28people
- 45:29will
- 45:29go
- 45:29baptism
- 45:30nope
- 45:30not
- 45:31baptism
- 45:31it's
- 45:32regenerate
- 45:32church
- 45:32membership
- 45:33baptism
- 45:34we believe
- 45:35ties to
- 45:35that
- 45:35but
- 45:36regenerate
- 45:36church
- 45:36membership
- 45:37is
- 45:37what
- 45:37we
- 45:37believe
- 45:38to
- 45:39hold
- 45:39so
- 45:40will
- 45:40we
- 45:40do
- 45:41that
- 45:41with
- 45:41perfection
- 45:41absolutely
- 45:42not
- 45:42I
- 45:43mean
- 45:43how
- 45:43could
- 45:44we
- 45:44we
- 45:44can't
- 45:45see
- 45:45the
- 45:45heart
- 45:45but
- 45:46we're
- 45:46given
- 45:46tools
- 45:47by
- 45:47which
- 45:48we're
- 45:48to
- 45:48be
- 45:48about
- 45:49the
- 45:49work
- 45:49of
- 45:49doing
- 45:50the
- 45:50best
- 45:51we
- 45:51can
- 45:52by
- 45:53grace
- 45:53to
- 45:54see
- 45:54people
- 45:55into
- 45:55the
- 45:55church
- 45:55who
- 45:56are
- 45:56in
- 45:56fact
- 45:56as far
- 45:58as we
- 45:58can
- 45:58tell
- 45:58Christians
- 45:59and
- 45:59people
- 46:00out
- 46:00of
- 46:01the
- 46:01church
- 46:01who
- 46:01are
- 46:02as far
- 46:03as we
- 46:03can
- 46:03tell
- 46:03not
- 46:04Christians
- 46:04sure
- 46:11sure
- 46:13but
- 46:16they
- 46:18still
- 46:18have
- 46:18to
- 46:18do
- 46:19the
- 46:19work
- 46:19they
- 46:20can't
- 46:20again
- 46:22I'm
- 46:22talking
- 46:22faithful
- 46:23Presbyterians
- 46:23won't
- 46:24just let
- 46:24adults
- 46:24be
- 46:25like
- 46:25I'm
- 46:25a
- 46:26member
- 46:26of
- 46:26the
- 46:26church
- 46:26and
- 46:26take
- 46:26communion
- 46:27and
- 46:27do
- 46:27all
- 46:27of
- 46:27those
- 46:27things
- 46:28without
- 46:28discipline
- 46:30they're
- 46:30going
- 46:30to
- 46:30still
- 46:30see
- 46:30people
- 46:31out
- 46:31of
- 46:31the
- 46:31church
- 46:31in
- 46:32the
- 46:33same
- 46:33way
- 46:33they're
- 46:33also
- 46:34concerned
- 46:35about
- 46:35it
- 46:35they're
- 46:35not as
- 46:37concerned
- 46:37about
- 46:38it
- 46:38early
- 46:38they're
- 46:39more
- 46:39concerned
- 46:39about
- 46:39it
- 46:39later
- 46:40but
- 46:41they
- 46:41don't
- 46:41want
- 46:41to
- 46:42give
- 46:42people
- 46:42false
- 46:42assurance
- 46:42either
- 46:43so
- 46:44the
- 46:45work
- 46:46still
- 46:46exists
- 46:46it
- 46:48puts
- 46:48regardless
- 46:53the
- 46:53main
- 46:54we're
- 46:55going
- 46:55to
- 46:55use
- 46:56the
- 46:56term
- 46:56ordinance
- 46:56as
- 46:57a
- 46:57Baptist
- 46:57church
- 46:57because
- 46:58it's
- 46:59to put
- 46:59!
- 47:00you almost
- 47:01always
- 47:02will see
- 47:02Presbyterians
- 47:02you just
- 47:02use the
- 47:03word
- 47:03sacrament
- 47:03but
- 47:04they're
- 47:04using
- 47:05the
- 47:05Lord's
- 47:05Supper
- 47:06in
- 47:06that
- 47:06putting
- 47:07in
- 47:07order
- 47:07way
- 47:08as
- 47:08well
- 47:08and
- 47:09a lot
- 47:09of
- 47:09Presbyterians
- 47:10will go
- 47:10oh we're
- 47:10comfortable
- 47:10with the
- 47:11term
- 47:11ordinance
- 47:12so
- 47:13they're
- 47:13also
- 47:13doing
- 47:14it
- 47:14there
- 47:14as
- 47:14well
- 47:15we're
- 47:16using
- 47:16baptism
- 47:17as
- 47:17part
- 47:17of
- 47:17that
- 47:17process
- 47:18we know
- 47:19we have
- 47:19to do
- 47:19it
- 47:20here
- 47:20but
- 47:20let's
- 47:20also
- 47:20be
- 47:20careful
- 47:21!
- 47:21about
- 47:22who
- 47:22we
- 47:22bring
- 47:23into
- 47:23that
- 47:23realm
- 47:25of
- 47:26having to
- 47:27do
- 47:27the
- 47:27discipline
- 47:28work
- 47:28with
- 47:28them
- 47:29so
- 47:30at the
- 47:32end of
- 47:32the day
- 47:32what do we
- 47:34believe the
- 47:35Bible teaches
- 47:35okay we're
- 47:36going to deal
- 47:36with it
- 47:36the way the
- 47:37Bible teaches
- 47:38it
- 47:38what you
- 47:39come down
- 47:39to
- 47:39okay now
- 47:45so I'm
- 47:46going to
- 47:46use the
- 47:461689
- 47:47um
- 47:48second
- 47:49London
- 47:49Baptist
- 47:49confession
- 47:50I'm going to
- 47:50read a
- 47:51little bit
- 47:51of it
- 47:51and then
- 47:51I'm going to
- 47:52draw another
- 47:53picture for
- 47:54you up
- 47:54here
- 47:54um
- 47:56I will
- 47:57argue
- 47:58it's the
- 47:59finest of
- 47:59all
- 47:59Baptist
- 48:00confessions
- 48:00uh
- 48:01in the
- 48:02preface to
- 48:03the second
- 48:03London
- 48:03Baptist
- 48:04confession
- 48:04the
- 48:05particular
- 48:06Baptist
- 48:06is what
- 48:06they
- 48:06were
- 48:06called
- 48:07in
- 48:07their
- 48:07day
- 48:07it's
- 48:07probably
- 48:07a
- 48:08term
- 48:08we
- 48:08should
- 48:08we
- 48:09should
- 48:09recapture
- 48:09but
- 48:10stated
- 48:11that
- 48:11much
- 48:12of
- 48:12the
- 48:12content
- 48:12of
- 48:13their
- 48:13confession
- 48:13was
- 48:14taken
- 48:14directly
- 48:15from
- 48:16the
- 48:17Savoy
- 48:17Declaration
- 48:18which was
- 48:19written in
- 48:191658
- 48:20by a group
- 48:21of
- 48:21congregationalists
- 48:22so they
- 48:22have some
- 48:23congregational
- 48:23language
- 48:24in
- 48:251689
- 48:26and the
- 48:28Westminster
- 48:28Confession
- 48:29which was
- 48:30written in
- 48:301646
- 48:31written
- 48:32ratified
- 48:32I don't
- 48:33know
- 48:33there's
- 48:33probably
- 48:33some
- 48:33difference
- 48:34in those
- 48:34years
- 48:34but
- 48:34adopted
- 48:35um
- 48:35okay
- 48:36so
- 48:37the
- 48:37second
- 48:38London
- 48:38Baptist
- 48:38was
- 48:39not
- 48:39not a
- 48:40ripoff
- 48:40because
- 48:40the
- 48:40Baptist
- 48:41didn't
- 48:41want
- 48:41to
- 48:41do
- 48:41their
- 48:41work
- 48:42right
- 48:43they
- 48:43used
- 48:43a lot
- 48:44of the
- 48:44language
- 48:44because
- 48:45they
- 48:45were
- 48:45trying
- 48:46to
- 48:46say
- 48:46we
- 48:47agree
- 48:47so
- 48:48much
- 48:49with
- 48:49you
- 48:49guys
- 48:50we've
- 48:51got
- 48:51some
- 48:51differences
- 48:51but
- 48:52man
- 48:53do we
- 48:53agree
- 48:54in a lot
- 48:54so just
- 48:55listen to
- 48:56this
- 48:56this is
- 48:57in the
- 48:57introduction
- 48:57to the
- 48:58second
- 48:59London
- 48:59Baptist
- 48:59we
- 49:00did
- 49:01like
- 49:01the
- 49:01Savoy
- 49:02declaration
- 49:02and
- 49:03the
- 49:03Westminster
- 49:03confession
- 49:04in
- 49:04making
- 49:05use
- 49:05of
- 49:05the
- 49:05very
- 49:06same
- 49:06words
- 49:07with
- 49:07them
- 49:07both
- 49:07in
- 49:08these
- 49:08articles
- 49:09wherein
- 49:09our
- 49:09faith
- 49:10and
- 49:10doctrine
- 49:10is
- 49:10the
- 49:11same
- 49:11with
- 49:12theirs
- 49:12and
- 49:14this
- 49:14we
- 49:14did
- 49:15the
- 49:15more
- 49:15abundantly
- 49:16to
- 49:16manifest
- 49:17our
- 49:17consent
- 49:18with
- 49:18both
- 49:19in
- 49:19all
- 49:20the
- 49:20fundamental
- 49:21articles
- 49:22of the
- 49:23Christian
- 49:23religion
- 49:24so
- 49:25I've been
- 49:26making this
- 49:26case to
- 49:26you
- 49:26for
- 49:27theological
- 49:27triage
- 49:28there
- 49:29I think
- 49:29using
- 49:30the term
- 49:30fundamental
- 49:31articles
- 49:32for those
- 49:32first tier
- 49:33issues
- 49:34like
- 49:35those
- 49:35things
- 49:36that
- 49:36must
- 49:36be
- 49:37known
- 49:37and
- 49:37believed
- 49:38to be
- 49:38saved
- 49:39fundamental
- 49:39articles
- 49:40we
- 49:40agree
- 49:41on
- 49:42and
- 49:42that
- 49:42is
- 49:43huge
- 49:44right
- 49:44it's
- 49:45huge
- 49:45in
- 49:45their
- 49:45day
- 49:46it's
- 49:46huge
- 49:46in
- 49:47our
- 49:47day
- 49:47like
- 49:48let's
- 49:48recognize
- 49:48how much
- 49:49we
- 49:49agree
- 49:49on
- 49:49and
- 49:49if
- 49:50we
- 49:50all
- 49:50spent
- 49:50more
- 49:50time
- 49:50talking
- 49:50about
- 49:51the
- 49:51things
- 49:51we
- 49:51agree
- 49:51on
- 49:52in
- 49:52every
- 49:53realm
- 49:53we
- 49:53would
- 49:53be
- 49:53much
- 49:54better
- 49:54for
- 49:54it
- 49:54right
- 49:55seems
- 49:56like
- 49:56it's
- 49:56getting
- 49:56hard
- 49:57to
- 49:58disagree
- 49:58with
- 49:58people
- 49:59but
- 49:59so
- 50:00they
- 50:00were
- 50:00particularly
- 50:01mindful
- 50:02as they
- 50:02sat
- 50:02down
- 50:03to
- 50:03write
- 50:03this
- 50:03document
- 50:04that
- 50:05they
- 50:05pick
- 50:05up
- 50:05language
- 50:05they
- 50:06just
- 50:06said
- 50:06look
- 50:06let's
- 50:07be
- 50:07so
- 50:08so
- 50:08careful
- 50:08what
- 50:09we
- 50:10do
- 50:10with
- 50:12the
- 50:12second
- 50:12London
- 50:12Baptist
- 50:12the
- 50:13particular
- 50:13Baptist
- 50:13intentionally
- 50:14sought
- 50:15to
- 50:15unite
- 50:15with
- 50:16other
- 50:16English
- 50:16Christians
- 50:17in
- 50:17the
- 50:17fundamentals
- 50:17of
- 50:18the
- 50:18faith
- 50:18and
- 50:22to
- 50:22be
- 50:22distanced
- 50:23from
- 50:24the
- 50:24Sokinians
- 50:25and I
- 50:25won't
- 50:25get
- 50:25into
- 50:26who
- 50:26they
- 50:26were
- 50:27but
- 50:27they
- 50:27were
- 50:27Baptistic
- 50:28but
- 50:30they
- 50:30denied
- 50:30the
- 50:30doctrine
- 50:31of
- 50:31the
- 50:31Trinity
- 50:31and
- 50:32other
- 50:32fundamental
- 50:33doctrines
- 50:33like
- 50:33Christ
- 50:34satisfaction
- 50:34they
- 50:35didn't
- 50:35believe
- 50:35that
- 50:35Christ
- 50:35paid
- 50:36the
- 50:36full
- 50:36penalty
- 50:36of
- 50:37debt
- 50:37for
- 50:38the
- 50:38church
- 50:38they
- 50:38were
- 50:39a
- 50:39mess
- 50:39and
- 50:40also
- 50:40Baptists
- 50:41so
- 50:41these
- 50:42Baptists
- 50:42were
- 50:42trying
- 50:42to
- 50:42go
- 50:42no
- 50:43no
- 50:43no
- 50:43we're
- 50:43not
- 50:43those
- 50:44guys
- 50:44please
- 50:45don't
- 50:45lump
- 50:52other
- 50:52just
- 50:52odd
- 50:53broad
- 50:54errors
- 50:55as well
- 50:56kind of
- 50:56all over
- 50:57the map
- 50:57they got
- 50:57some things
- 50:57right
- 50:58but
- 50:58they
- 50:58got
- 50:58some
- 50:59things
- 50:59terribly
- 51:00terribly
- 51:00wrong
- 51:00the
- 51:021699
- 51:03states
- 51:03a few
- 51:04lines
- 51:04later
- 51:04than the
- 51:05aforementioned
- 51:06citation
- 51:06that they
- 51:07had
- 51:07I like
- 51:07this
- 51:07phrase
- 51:08no
- 51:09itch
- 51:09to
- 51:10clog
- 51:10religion
- 51:11with
- 51:11new
- 51:11words
- 51:12so
- 51:13they
- 51:14were
- 51:14trying
- 51:14to
- 51:14be
- 51:14careful
- 51:14like
- 51:15let's
- 51:15not
- 51:15let's
- 51:16not
- 51:16mess
- 51:17oh
- 51:17gosh
- 51:18like
- 51:18everyone's
- 51:19going to
- 51:19pour
- 51:19over
- 51:19every
- 51:19word
- 51:20so
- 51:20carefully
- 51:20when
- 51:21something
- 51:21as
- 51:21significant
- 51:22as
- 51:22this
- 51:22is
- 51:23adopted
- 51:23and
- 51:23published
- 51:24so
- 51:25we
- 51:25don't
- 51:25want
- 51:25to
- 51:25clog
- 51:26religion
- 51:26with
- 51:27new
- 51:27words
- 51:27we
- 51:28agree
- 51:28on
- 51:29almost
- 51:30everything
- 51:31together
- 51:32okay
- 51:33so
- 51:34they
- 51:36disagreed
- 51:37on
- 51:39covenantalism
- 51:40okay
- 51:40so there was a
- 51:41disagreement
- 51:41here
- 51:42they would
- 51:44not use
- 51:44the term
- 51:45one covenant
- 51:46of grace
- 51:47with
- 51:47two
- 51:48administrations
- 51:49although
- 51:49they did
- 51:50hold
- 51:50this
- 51:51covenant
- 51:51of
- 51:51works
- 51:51covenant
- 51:52of
- 51:52grace
- 51:52distinction
- 51:54a little
- 51:55side
- 51:55note
- 51:55for
- 51:56progressive
- 51:56covenantalism
- 51:57they don't
- 51:58want to
- 51:58use
- 51:59the term
- 52:00covenant
- 52:00of grace
- 52:01because it's
- 52:02not
- 52:02explicitly
- 52:02found
- 52:03in the
- 52:03scripture
- 52:03and I'm
- 52:04really
- 52:04sympathetic
- 52:05toward
- 52:05that
- 52:06that
- 52:06the idea
- 52:07of
- 52:07progressive
- 52:08covenantalism
- 52:09they're
- 52:09saying
- 52:09there's
- 52:10one plan
- 52:10of salvation
- 52:11and it's
- 52:12revealed
- 52:12progressively
- 52:13right
- 52:14it's
- 52:14fulfilled
- 52:14in Christ
- 52:15it's revealed
- 52:15progressively
- 52:17across
- 52:17the text
- 52:18and they
- 52:18wanted to
- 52:18avoid
- 52:19this
- 52:20kind
- 52:20of
- 52:20language
- 52:20but
- 52:21for
- 52:21tonight
- 52:21I want
- 52:22to show
- 52:23you the
- 52:23things
- 52:23that are
- 52:24similar
- 52:24so
- 52:26same way
- 52:26we've got
- 52:27covenant
- 52:27of works
- 52:27we've got
- 52:28creation
- 52:29we've got
- 52:30the fall
- 52:30okay
- 52:31we've got
- 52:32oh man
- 52:33I wrote
- 52:34in my way
- 52:34I'm taking out
- 52:35Old Testament
- 52:36Israel equals
- 52:36New Testament
- 52:37church
- 52:37you guys
- 52:37okay with
- 52:37that
- 52:38I hope
- 52:39so
- 52:39because
- 52:39it's
- 52:39gone
- 52:39all right
- 52:40we have
- 52:44here also
- 52:44the
- 52:45covenant
- 52:51of grace
- 52:51which is
- 52:53spoken of
- 53:02here
- 53:03Genesis 3
- 53:0415
- 53:04but not
- 53:06yet ratified
- 53:07so it's
- 53:09not ratified
- 53:10here
- 53:11Genesis 3
- 53:1221
- 53:12or
- 53:13they would
- 53:14say in
- 53:14Genesis
- 53:1515
- 53:16so rather
- 53:19I think
- 53:19did I give you guys
- 53:20dotted lines
- 53:20and I
- 53:28think I drew
- 53:29an arrow
- 53:30on your
- 53:30page
- 53:30but really
- 53:31if I had
- 53:32color on your
- 53:32page I'd
- 53:33want to do
- 53:33this
- 53:34so can you
- 53:39see I just
- 53:39drew over
- 53:39that
- 53:40so here we
- 53:44have
- 53:44same thing
- 53:46we've got
- 53:47our
- 53:48not going to
- 53:50read any of
- 53:50this I know
- 53:50but I'm
- 53:51going to
- 53:51do it
- 53:51fast
- 53:52Abrahamic
- 53:53Mosaic
- 53:55Davidic
- 53:58right
- 53:59similar
- 54:01similar to
- 54:02their
- 54:02paedo-baptist
- 54:02brothers
- 54:03they're saying
- 54:04these things
- 54:05types
- 54:06shadows
- 54:06symbols
- 54:07right
- 54:08by faith
- 54:10that somehow
- 54:10somehow
- 54:11these promises
- 54:12right
- 54:13we believe
- 54:14are going to
- 54:15save us
- 54:16they're speaking
- 54:17to this
- 54:18covenant of
- 54:19grace
- 54:20so they're
- 54:20like this
- 54:21but it's
- 54:29not ratified
- 54:30until
- 54:32Christ
- 54:33comes
- 54:33so a
- 54:34text
- 54:35this is
- 54:36Hebrews 9
- 54:37verse 11
- 54:39through 15
- 54:40but when
- 54:42Christ
- 54:42appeared
- 54:42as a
- 54:43high
- 54:43priest
- 54:43of the
- 54:43good
- 54:43things
- 54:44that
- 54:44have
- 54:44come
- 54:44then
- 54:45through
- 54:45the
- 54:46greater
- 54:46and
- 54:46more
- 54:47perfect
- 54:47tent
- 54:48not made
- 54:48with
- 54:48hands
- 54:49that is
- 54:49not of
- 54:49this
- 54:49creation
- 54:50he
- 54:51entered
- 54:51once for
- 54:52all
- 54:52into the
- 54:52holy
- 54:53places
- 54:53not by
- 54:53means of
- 54:54the
- 54:54blood
- 54:54of goats
- 54:55and calves
- 54:55but by
- 54:56means of
- 54:56his
- 54:56own
- 54:57blood
- 54:57thus
- 54:58securing
- 54:59an
- 54:59eternal
- 55:10blood of Christ, who through the eternal
- 55:12spirit offered himself without blemish to
- 55:14God, purify our conscience from dead works
- 55:16to serve the living God.
- 55:19Therefore he is the mediator
- 55:20of a new covenant
- 55:21so that those who are called may receive
- 55:24the promised eternal inheritance
- 55:26since the death has occurred that redeems
- 55:28them from the transgressions
- 55:30committed under the
- 55:32first covenant.
- 55:35Okay.
- 55:37So here's
- 55:38where you would find
- 55:39so you hear me, I wrote here
- 55:42ratified
- 55:43here
- 55:45covenant of grace
- 55:48ratified.
- 55:54And it's what distinguishes
- 55:57this
- 55:58this as
- 56:00old covenant, like we're not using the
- 56:02administration language here
- 56:04but old covenant
- 56:06and new covenant.
- 56:08The new covenant is really new
- 56:10is what some guys would argue
- 56:11and there's
- 56:13therefore
- 56:14less continuity.
- 56:17There's still some continuity
- 56:18but there's less
- 56:20continuity.
- 56:22So the sign of
- 56:23circumcision
- 56:24points to the need for the circumcision
- 56:27of our hearts
- 56:28accomplished by
- 56:29Christ
- 56:31replaced.
- 56:33It's no longer.
- 56:35Now we have
- 56:36baptism
- 56:36as a different thing
- 56:38that points to what God
- 56:39has accomplished.
- 56:40It's pointing back to a reality
- 56:41that he has
- 56:42created in us.
- 56:44Less
- 56:44continuity.
- 56:46And that's
- 56:47where the rub is.
- 56:48So
- 56:49hermeneutically
- 56:50how you read these
- 56:52and there's a lot of text
- 56:53and I just decided
- 56:54I can't get into it all tonight.
- 56:55There's just no way.
- 56:56I don't even have the notes for it
- 56:58so don't ask me
- 56:58what all the texts are.
- 57:00There's a lot to be
- 57:01peeled through
- 57:02and understood.
- 57:04Read your Bibles
- 57:04over and over
- 57:05and over and over
- 57:06again.
- 57:08But how
- 57:08you read the Bible
- 57:09how you approach
- 57:10these covenants
- 57:12God's redemptive purpose
- 57:14is going to tend you
- 57:16toward
- 57:17one conclusion
- 57:18or another.
- 57:19Tend you
- 57:20one conclusion
- 57:21or another.
- 57:24Yes?
- 57:24Seal.
- 57:33The covenants of God
- 57:34all needed blood sacrifice
- 57:35to make them
- 57:36it's like the way
- 57:38that he signed them
- 57:38was with blood.
- 57:40Yeah.
- 57:42Is that a fair
- 57:42definition, Ty?
- 57:46Yeah.
- 57:47Yeah.
- 57:48Yeah.
- 57:49Your brow looked furrowed
- 57:50that's why.
- 57:52Okay.
- 57:53Is that your listening face?
- 57:57I have yet
- 57:57I'm going to
- 57:58I'm going to figure out
- 57:59a way to draw
- 57:59the progressive
- 58:00covenantal thing.
- 58:01I have not figured out
- 58:02how to make it
- 58:02look different
- 58:03than this one
- 58:03but I'm working on it.
- 58:07Maybe a less dashed line
- 58:09like
- 58:10big dashes
- 58:11I don't know.
- 58:12Okay.
- 58:17Okay.
- 58:17So
- 58:18I'm going to
- 58:19I'm going to
- 58:20just press a little bit
- 58:21on
- 58:22credo baptism
- 58:24from the scripture
- 58:26why
- 58:27that's where I'm at
- 58:28where
- 58:30again
- 58:30as a
- 58:31total
- 58:31our church
- 58:32is at
- 58:33this is from
- 58:36the
- 58:36Second London Baptist
- 58:37Confession
- 58:38this is
- 58:38article
- 58:3929
- 58:40which is on baptism
- 58:42and it has
- 58:43has four sections
- 58:45so
- 58:46we're going to
- 58:47take each of those
- 58:47sections as a point
- 58:48so
- 58:50number one
- 58:51they write
- 58:53baptism is an
- 58:54ordinance of the
- 58:55New Testament
- 58:55ordained by
- 58:57Jesus Christ
- 58:57that's
- 58:58Mark 1
- 58:599
- 58:59to those baptized
- 59:01it is a sign
- 59:02of their fellowship
- 59:02with him
- 59:03and his death
- 59:03and resurrection
- 59:04of their being
- 59:05grafted into
- 59:06or united
- 59:07with him
- 59:08of remission
- 59:09of sins
- 59:10and of submitting
- 59:11themselves to God
- 59:12through Jesus Christ
- 59:13to live
- 59:13and walk
- 59:14in newness of life
- 59:15so
- 59:15baptism
- 59:16they're saying
- 59:17pictures a thing
- 59:19that has occurred
- 59:19symbolically pictures
- 59:21a thing that's already
- 59:22happened
- 59:23Romans 6
- 59:263-5
- 59:27do you not know
- 59:28that all of us
- 59:29who have been
- 59:29baptized into
- 59:30Christ Jesus
- 59:31were baptized
- 59:31into his death
- 59:33we were buried
- 59:33therefore with
- 59:34him by baptism
- 59:35into death
- 59:36in order that
- 59:37just as Christ
- 59:38was raised
- 59:38from the dead
- 59:39by the glory
- 59:39of the Father
- 59:40we too might
- 59:41walk
- 59:41in newness
- 59:42of life
- 59:42for if we
- 59:43have been
- 59:44united with
- 59:44him in a
- 59:44death
- 59:45like his
- 59:45we shall
- 59:45certainly
- 59:46be united
- 59:46with him
- 59:47in a
- 59:47resurrection
- 59:48like his
- 59:49so a thing
- 59:49that's happened
- 59:50baptism
- 59:50pictures it
- 59:52for us
- 59:53by the way
- 59:54Pato-Baptists
- 59:55have good
- 59:56good
- 59:57faithful
- 59:58explanations
- 59:58for a lot
- 59:59of these
- 59:59texts
- 59:59so
- 59:59yeah
- 1:00:01talk with one
- 1:00:02sometime
- 1:00:03see what they
- 1:00:03say about
- 1:00:03some of these
- 1:00:04things
- 1:00:04Colossians 2-12
- 1:00:06having been
- 1:00:06buried with
- 1:00:07him in
- 1:00:07baptism
- 1:00:08in which
- 1:00:08you were
- 1:00:08also raised
- 1:00:09with him
- 1:00:09through faith
- 1:00:10in the
- 1:00:10powerful
- 1:00:10working
- 1:00:10of God
- 1:00:11who raised
- 1:00:12him
- 1:00:12from the
- 1:00:13dead
- 1:00:14Galatians
- 1:00:153-27
- 1:00:16for as many
- 1:00:16of you
- 1:00:17as were
- 1:00:17baptized
- 1:00:17into Christ
- 1:00:18have put
- 1:00:19on
- 1:00:20Christ
- 1:00:21Mark 1-4
- 1:00:23John appeared
- 1:00:25baptizing in
- 1:00:25the wilderness
- 1:00:26and proclaiming
- 1:00:27a baptism
- 1:00:27of repentance
- 1:00:29for the
- 1:00:30forgiveness
- 1:00:30of sins
- 1:00:31people were
- 1:00:32being baptized
- 1:00:32who were
- 1:00:33repenting
- 1:00:34of their
- 1:00:34sins
- 1:00:35baptism
- 1:00:36became so
- 1:00:37synonymous
- 1:00:37with repentance
- 1:00:38that it
- 1:00:39is used
- 1:00:39interchangeably
- 1:00:40in the
- 1:00:40scripture
- 1:00:40with that
- 1:00:42term
- 1:00:42so a good
- 1:00:43example of
- 1:00:43that is
- 1:00:44Acts 22
- 1:00:44and verse
- 1:00:4516
- 1:00:46Paul is
- 1:00:46speaking in
- 1:00:47Jerusalem
- 1:00:47and now
- 1:00:48why do you
- 1:00:49wait
- 1:00:49rise and be
- 1:00:50baptized
- 1:00:51and wash
- 1:00:51away your
- 1:00:52sins
- 1:00:52calling
- 1:00:53on his
- 1:00:54name
- 1:00:54second
- 1:00:57section
- 1:00:57they write
- 1:00:59those who
- 1:00:59personally
- 1:00:59profess
- 1:01:00repentance
- 1:01:00towards God
- 1:01:01and faith
- 1:01:02in
- 1:01:02and obedience
- 1:01:03to our
- 1:01:04Lord Jesus
- 1:01:04Christ
- 1:01:05are the
- 1:01:06only proper
- 1:01:07subjects
- 1:01:08of this
- 1:01:08ordinance
- 1:01:09so again
- 1:01:09there's
- 1:01:09the issue
- 1:01:11at hand
- 1:01:11they're going
- 1:01:13to talk about
- 1:01:14mode here
- 1:01:14in just a
- 1:01:15minute
- 1:01:15I'm less
- 1:01:16concerned
- 1:01:16about mode
- 1:01:16I'm more
- 1:01:17concerned
- 1:01:17about who
- 1:01:18who is the
- 1:01:18proper
- 1:01:19recipient
- 1:01:19of the
- 1:01:21ordinance
- 1:01:21and I'm
- 1:01:22concerned
- 1:01:22about that
- 1:01:23because
- 1:01:23I'm
- 1:01:24concerned
- 1:01:24about
- 1:01:24how we
- 1:01:25define
- 1:01:25the
- 1:01:26nature
- 1:01:26of the
- 1:01:27church
- 1:01:27so
- 1:01:29first
- 1:01:31kind of
- 1:01:31concern
- 1:01:31as we
- 1:01:32think about
- 1:01:33applying
- 1:01:34baptism
- 1:01:34to infants
- 1:01:35I believe
- 1:01:36that
- 1:01:37paedo-baptism
- 1:01:37confuses
- 1:01:38the sufficiency
- 1:01:39of scripture
- 1:01:40and the
- 1:01:40doctrine
- 1:01:41of
- 1:01:41progressive
- 1:01:42revelation
- 1:01:42now that's
- 1:01:43just a belief
- 1:01:43I hold
- 1:01:43again
- 1:01:44Baptist
- 1:01:45if I
- 1:01:46said to
- 1:01:46Ty
- 1:01:46Ty
- 1:01:47do you
- 1:01:47believe
- 1:01:47in
- 1:01:47the
- 1:01:47sufficiency
- 1:01:47of
- 1:01:47scripture
- 1:01:48and the
- 1:01:48doctrine
- 1:01:48of
- 1:01:48progressive
- 1:01:49revelation
- 1:01:49he would
- 1:01:49say yes
- 1:01:50and I
- 1:01:50would
- 1:01:50believe
- 1:01:51him
- 1:01:51so
- 1:01:51I'm
- 1:01:52not
- 1:01:52saying
- 1:01:53they don't
- 1:01:54love their
- 1:01:54bibles
- 1:01:54one of the
- 1:01:56cries of the
- 1:01:57reformation
- 1:01:58sola scriptura
- 1:02:002 Timothy 3
- 1:02:0216 and 17
- 1:02:03you guys know
- 1:02:03this one
- 1:02:04all scripture
- 1:02:04breathed out
- 1:02:05by God
- 1:02:05profitable
- 1:02:06for teaching
- 1:02:07for reproof
- 1:02:07for correction
- 1:02:08and for training
- 1:02:08in righteousness
- 1:02:09that the man
- 1:02:09of God
- 1:02:10may be
- 1:02:10complete
- 1:02:11equipped
- 1:02:12for every
- 1:02:13good work
- 1:02:15and it's
- 1:02:15just
- 1:02:15maybe my
- 1:02:16own
- 1:02:17obtuseness
- 1:02:18but I
- 1:02:20have a
- 1:02:20difficult time
- 1:02:21thinking that
- 1:02:22just a
- 1:02:22plain
- 1:02:23average
- 1:02:24guy
- 1:02:24sitting down
- 1:02:25and reading
- 1:02:25the bible
- 1:02:26would arrive
- 1:02:26at the
- 1:02:27paedo-baptist
- 1:02:27position
- 1:02:27it seems
- 1:02:29more clear
- 1:02:30repent
- 1:02:32believe
- 1:02:33be baptized
- 1:02:34in the
- 1:02:35new testament
- 1:02:36the regulative
- 1:02:37principle of
- 1:02:38worship
- 1:02:38was defined
- 1:02:39by John
- 1:02:39Calvin
- 1:02:40as follows
- 1:02:41God
- 1:02:41disapproves
- 1:02:42of all
- 1:02:42modes
- 1:02:42of worship
- 1:02:43not
- 1:02:44expressly
- 1:02:45sanctioned
- 1:02:46by his
- 1:02:47word
- 1:02:47and so
- 1:02:48we often
- 1:02:49say by
- 1:02:50command
- 1:02:50or example
- 1:02:51or deduced
- 1:02:52by good
- 1:02:53and necessary
- 1:02:54consequence
- 1:02:55an example
- 1:02:56of that
- 1:02:57is the
- 1:02:58trinity
- 1:02:58we want
- 1:02:59to apply
- 1:03:00plain
- 1:03:01reason
- 1:03:02or logic
- 1:03:02as we
- 1:03:03draw out
- 1:03:04of the bible
- 1:03:04what we are
- 1:03:05to do
- 1:03:05as we
- 1:03:06gather
- 1:03:07together
- 1:03:07so you'll
- 1:03:08find
- 1:03:08right
- 1:03:08with
- 1:03:09good
- 1:03:10well-meaning
- 1:03:10faithful
- 1:03:12paedo-baptists
- 1:03:13that they
- 1:03:13come to
- 1:03:14different
- 1:03:14logical
- 1:03:15conclusions
- 1:03:15than we
- 1:03:16come to
- 1:03:16and again
- 1:03:17with Ty
- 1:03:17he'll go
- 1:03:18yeah
- 1:03:18I see
- 1:03:19your point
- 1:03:19this is what
- 1:03:21I think it
- 1:03:21means
- 1:03:21and I go
- 1:03:21I don't
- 1:03:22think that's
- 1:03:23what it
- 1:03:23means
- 1:03:23and we
- 1:03:24come to
- 1:03:24disagreement
- 1:03:26agreeably
- 1:03:28so
- 1:03:28and I just
- 1:03:30hope to this
- 1:03:31point that I've
- 1:03:31shown how
- 1:03:32paedo-baptists
- 1:03:33arrive at their
- 1:03:33position
- 1:03:34they get there
- 1:03:35honestly
- 1:03:36they do
- 1:03:37get there
- 1:03:37honestly
- 1:03:39but I
- 1:03:39do fear
- 1:03:40that they
- 1:03:41read
- 1:03:41the Old
- 1:03:42Testament
- 1:03:43into their
- 1:03:44New Testament
- 1:03:44rather in
- 1:03:45the light
- 1:03:46of it
- 1:03:47that it
- 1:03:47exposes
- 1:03:48that progressive
- 1:03:49revelation
- 1:03:49that it
- 1:03:50brings clarity
- 1:03:50to it
- 1:03:51feels like it
- 1:03:52brings it the
- 1:03:53other way around
- 1:03:54I mentioned
- 1:03:55the R.C.
- 1:03:55Sproul quote
- 1:03:56previously
- 1:03:57so that's a
- 1:03:58concern of mine
- 1:03:59secondly I
- 1:04:00believe that
- 1:04:01paedo-baptism
- 1:04:02confuses the
- 1:04:03nature of the
- 1:04:03church
- 1:04:03although it
- 1:04:04confuses what
- 1:04:06I believe the
- 1:04:07nature of the
- 1:04:07church is
- 1:04:08a believer's
- 1:04:09church
- 1:04:09it does
- 1:04:09confuse that
- 1:04:10they hold
- 1:04:12the nature
- 1:04:13of the
- 1:04:13church
- 1:04:13a bit
- 1:04:14differently
- 1:04:15however
- 1:04:16Ephesians 5
- 1:04:17verse 25
- 1:04:18says that
- 1:04:19Christ
- 1:04:19loved the
- 1:04:20church
- 1:04:21and he
- 1:04:21gave himself
- 1:04:22up for
- 1:04:23her
- 1:04:23and I
- 1:04:24just want
- 1:04:24to be
- 1:04:24careful
- 1:04:25and clear
- 1:04:26about
- 1:04:27who
- 1:04:28church
- 1:04:29is
- 1:04:29because
- 1:04:30that's
- 1:04:30so
- 1:04:31important
- 1:04:31seems to
- 1:04:34me
- 1:04:34every
- 1:04:34New
- 1:04:34Testament
- 1:04:35reference
- 1:04:35concerning
- 1:04:36the
- 1:04:36universal
- 1:04:37church
- 1:04:37or the
- 1:04:37local
- 1:04:38church
- 1:04:38seems to
- 1:04:39be speaking
- 1:04:40of those
- 1:04:40in the
- 1:04:41faith
- 1:04:41whether
- 1:04:41past
- 1:04:42present
- 1:04:42or
- 1:04:44future
- 1:04:44and so
- 1:04:45that's
- 1:04:45why we
- 1:04:45like the
- 1:04:46term
- 1:04:46ordinances
- 1:04:46instead of
- 1:04:47sacraments
- 1:04:48believe that
- 1:04:49baptism
- 1:04:49and the
- 1:04:49Lord's
- 1:04:49supper
- 1:04:50put in
- 1:04:51order
- 1:04:51they're
- 1:04:51like a
- 1:04:52fence
- 1:04:52for who
- 1:04:53is
- 1:04:54and who
- 1:04:54isn't
- 1:04:55church
- 1:04:56and that
- 1:04:57that's
- 1:04:57good
- 1:04:57for the
- 1:04:58church
- 1:04:58it's
- 1:04:59good for
- 1:04:59the witness
- 1:04:59of Christ
- 1:05:00in the
- 1:05:00world
- 1:05:01and it's
- 1:05:01good for
- 1:05:01people
- 1:05:02who
- 1:05:02haven't
- 1:05:02placed
- 1:05:03their
- 1:05:03faith
- 1:05:03in
- 1:05:03Christ
- 1:05:03yet
- 1:05:04like
- 1:05:04how
- 1:05:04do
- 1:05:04we
- 1:05:04distinguish
- 1:05:05who
- 1:05:05is
- 1:05:06and
- 1:05:06who
- 1:05:06isn't
- 1:05:06church
- 1:05:07I think
- 1:05:08that's
- 1:05:08something
- 1:05:08we need
- 1:05:08to be
- 1:05:09clear
- 1:05:09and careful
- 1:05:10about
- 1:05:11thirdly
- 1:05:12I believe
- 1:05:13that
- 1:05:13paedo-baptism
- 1:05:14actually
- 1:05:14confuses
- 1:05:15the meaning
- 1:05:15of
- 1:05:16believer's
- 1:05:16baptism
- 1:05:17I picked
- 1:05:18up an
- 1:05:18interesting
- 1:05:19book
- 1:05:19where a
- 1:05:20guy
- 1:05:20spends
- 1:05:20all
- 1:05:20of
- 1:05:20his
- 1:05:20time
- 1:05:21arguing
- 1:05:21from
- 1:05:22the
- 1:05:22Westminster
- 1:05:22confession
- 1:05:23against
- 1:05:23the
- 1:05:23Westminster
- 1:05:24confession
- 1:05:24!
- 1:05:24He uses
- 1:05:25its
- 1:05:25words
- 1:05:25against
- 1:05:26it
- 1:05:31written
- 1:05:31I'd love
- 1:05:32for it
- 1:05:33to be
- 1:05:33a thing
- 1:05:33I could
- 1:05:33hand out
- 1:05:34but it's
- 1:05:34just
- 1:05:34bad
- 1:05:35writing
- 1:05:36but
- 1:05:37you need
- 1:05:40to go
- 1:05:40and read
- 1:05:41the entire
- 1:05:41article
- 1:05:42and you'll
- 1:05:43think
- 1:05:43yes
- 1:05:43yes
- 1:05:43wait
- 1:05:44what
- 1:05:44like
- 1:05:44you're
- 1:05:45like
- 1:05:45how did
- 1:05:45that
- 1:05:45get
- 1:05:46in
- 1:05:46there
- 1:05:47so
- 1:05:48Mark
- 1:05:5016
- 1:05:5016
- 1:05:51whoever
- 1:05:51believes
- 1:05:51and is
- 1:05:52baptized
- 1:05:52will be
- 1:05:52saved
- 1:05:52but
- 1:05:53whoever
- 1:05:53does
- 1:05:53not
- 1:05:53believe
- 1:05:54will
- 1:05:54be
- 1:05:54condemned
- 1:05:55Acts
- 1:05:562
- 1:05:5641
- 1:05:56so
- 1:05:57those
- 1:05:57who
- 1:05:57received
- 1:05:57his
- 1:05:58word
- 1:05:58were
- 1:05:58baptized
- 1:05:59and
- 1:05:59they
- 1:05:59were
- 1:05:59out of
- 1:06:00that
- 1:06:00day
- 1:06:00about
- 1:06:013,000
- 1:06:02souls
- 1:06:02Acts
- 1:06:038
- 1:06:0312
- 1:06:03when
- 1:06:04they
- 1:06:04believed
- 1:06:04Philip
- 1:06:04as he
- 1:06:05preached
- 1:06:05good
- 1:06:05news
- 1:06:05about
- 1:06:06the
- 1:06:06kingdom
- 1:06:06of
- 1:06:06God
- 1:06:06in
- 1:06:06the
- 1:06:06name
- 1:06:07of
- 1:06:07Jesus
- 1:06:07Christ
- 1:06:07they
- 1:06:07were
- 1:06:07baptized
- 1:06:08both
- 1:06:08men
- 1:06:09and
- 1:06:10women
- 1:06:11Acts
- 1:06:1118
- 1:06:128
- 1:06:12Crispus
- 1:06:13the ruler
- 1:06:13of the
- 1:06:13synagogue
- 1:06:13believed
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- 1:10:33like
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- 1:10:35way
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- 1:11:13can I
- 1:11:13answer
- 1:11:13questions
- 1:11:14about
- 1:11:14things
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- 1:11:15said
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- 1:11:16all the
- 1:11:16possible
- 1:11:17questions
- 1:11:17that could
- 1:11:17be asked
- 1:11:18because I
- 1:11:18probably
- 1:11:19won't do a
- 1:11:19great job
- 1:11:20of answering
- 1:11:21them anyway
- 1:11:21and then
- 1:11:23maybe we
- 1:11:23have some
- 1:11:23continuing
- 1:11:24conversation
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- 1:11:25have a
- 1:11:25feeling
- 1:11:26you'll
- 1:11:26ask
- 1:11:26questions
- 1:11:26I'll
- 1:11:26go
- 1:11:27I'll
- 1:11:27get back
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- 1:11:28let me
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- 1:11:28run
- 1:11:29that
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- 1:11:30but
- 1:11:30anything
- 1:11:30that
- 1:11:31I've
- 1:11:31said
- 1:11:31that
- 1:11:31needs
- 1:11:32to be
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- 1:11:33a bit
- 1:11:34repeated
- 1:11:34etc
- 1:11:35yes
- 1:11:39I don't
- 1:11:55anybody
- 1:11:56know the
- 1:11:56answer to
- 1:11:56that
- 1:11:57congregational
- 1:12:00Quakers
- 1:12:00yeah
- 1:12:03yeah
- 1:12:04yeah
- 1:12:05there you
- 1:12:08go
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- 1:12:10handful
- 1:12:10yeah
- 1:12:10I should
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- 1:12:13yep
- 1:12:14yep
- 1:12:24yep
- 1:12:24yep
- 1:12:25yep
- 1:12:25so again
- 1:12:26lots of
- 1:12:27agreement
- 1:12:27a lot of
- 1:12:28agreement
- 1:12:28going on
- 1:12:29here
- 1:12:29it really
- 1:12:30has to
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- 1:12:30with the
- 1:12:31covenant
- 1:12:32of grace's
- 1:12:32activity
- 1:12:33so here
- 1:12:34you've got
- 1:12:34covenant
- 1:12:35of grace
- 1:12:35with two
- 1:12:36administrations
- 1:12:36I'd say
- 1:12:37this is the
- 1:12:37most distinct
- 1:12:38thing going
- 1:12:38on
- 1:12:39two
- 1:12:39administrations
- 1:12:40and here
- 1:12:42they're saying
- 1:12:43it wasn't
- 1:12:44ratified until
- 1:12:44Christ
- 1:12:45so it's
- 1:12:45it just
- 1:12:46it just
- 1:12:46sees
- 1:12:47more
- 1:12:48discontinuity
- 1:12:50something
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- 1:12:51happening here
- 1:12:52these
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- 1:12:54covenants
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- 1:12:56things
- 1:12:56right
- 1:12:57they're active
- 1:12:58they're involved
- 1:12:59in God's
- 1:12:59redemptive plan
- 1:13:00but as
- 1:13:01as pointing
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- 1:13:03covenant of grace
- 1:13:04covenant of grace
- 1:13:04there's just
- 1:13:05more discontinuity
- 1:13:06in the process
- 1:13:06of it all
- 1:13:07it's really
- 1:13:08that simple
- 1:13:09what do you
- 1:13:10mean by
- 1:13:11administration
- 1:13:12Ty you want
- 1:13:13to define
- 1:13:14administration
- 1:13:14yes
- 1:13:15so we all
- 1:13:17know about
- 1:13:18presidential
- 1:13:18administration
- 1:13:19so matter
- 1:13:20of presidential
- 1:13:20administration
- 1:13:21not
- 1:13:21administration
- 1:13:22administration
- 1:13:22there's
- 1:13:23a direct
- 1:13:24presidential
- 1:13:25administration
- 1:13:26there's
- 1:13:27someone
- 1:13:27covering it
- 1:13:28and there's
- 1:13:29speaking
- 1:13:29and there's
- 1:13:30people in that
- 1:13:30administration
- 1:13:31like
- 1:13:31handling it
- 1:13:34or
- 1:13:34yeah
- 1:13:35so for
- 1:13:35example
- 1:13:36if you're
- 1:13:36just talking
- 1:13:37about
- 1:13:37these
- 1:13:37covenants
- 1:13:38a good
- 1:13:39example
- 1:13:39is the
- 1:13:40law
- 1:13:40whenever
- 1:13:41you're
- 1:13:42reading
- 1:13:42that
- 1:13:42message
- 1:13:43I see
- 1:13:44that when
- 1:13:44the
- 1:13:44wrong
- 1:13:45is presented
- 1:13:45in the
- 1:13:45Christian
- 1:13:46that
- 1:13:48wrong
- 1:13:49is
- 1:13:49Christ
- 1:13:50and instead
- 1:13:51of
- 1:13:51revealing
- 1:13:53Christ
- 1:13:53I see
- 1:13:54that mission
- 1:13:55offering
- 1:13:55Christ
- 1:13:56and in
- 1:13:57doing
- 1:13:58that
- 1:13:58music
- 1:13:59so
- 1:14:00these
- 1:14:01different
- 1:14:01types
- 1:14:02of
- 1:14:02promises
- 1:14:02are
- 1:14:03being
- 1:14:03offered
- 1:14:04and in
- 1:14:06that
- 1:14:06administration
- 1:14:06you have
- 1:14:07the old
- 1:14:07testament
- 1:14:08administration
- 1:14:08but even
- 1:14:10in that
- 1:14:10it's coming
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- 1:14:11ways
- 1:14:11these things
- 1:14:12are offered
- 1:14:12and interacted
- 1:14:14with
- 1:14:14the overarching
- 1:14:15one is the
- 1:14:16big two
- 1:14:16yeah
- 1:14:18in a lot
- 1:14:19of ways
- 1:14:20and I don't
- 1:14:21mean this
- 1:14:22as a
- 1:14:22to cut
- 1:14:24this down
- 1:14:24but it
- 1:14:25just
- 1:14:25flattens
- 1:14:26it
- 1:14:26simplifies
- 1:14:28it even
- 1:14:28maybe that's
- 1:14:30appealing to
- 1:14:31some people
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- 1:14:32simpler
- 1:14:32as it
- 1:14:33makes
- 1:14:34reading
- 1:14:35old
- 1:14:37testament
- 1:14:38promises
- 1:14:39to Israel
- 1:14:40easy
- 1:14:40just to go
- 1:14:41oh
- 1:14:41they're talking
- 1:14:41about the
- 1:14:42church
- 1:14:42it's nice
- 1:14:43when you
- 1:14:43read it
- 1:14:43simpler
- 1:14:44that way
- 1:14:45I don't
- 1:14:46find my
- 1:14:47reading of
- 1:14:48the old
- 1:14:48testament
- 1:14:48that easy
- 1:14:50I don't
- 1:14:51think it's
- 1:14:51I think it's
- 1:14:51a little
- 1:14:52too simple
- 1:14:52but
- 1:14:53Lynn
- 1:14:56who are
- 1:14:57the hands
- 1:14:57so
- 1:14:59it said
- 1:15:01that the
- 1:15:01old
- 1:15:03testament
- 1:15:04is equal
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- 1:15:05testament
- 1:15:05church
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- 1:15:08the
- 1:15:08moral
- 1:15:10of
- 1:15:10fact
- 1:15:10to
- 1:15:101689
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- 1:15:13just see
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- 1:15:14church
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- 1:15:17direct
- 1:15:17correlation
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- 1:15:19nation
- 1:15:20so
- 1:15:22yeah
- 1:15:22so
- 1:15:231689
- 1:15:23federals
- 1:15:24would be
- 1:15:24really
- 1:15:24happy
- 1:15:24to call
- 1:15:25would be
- 1:15:25really
- 1:15:25happy
- 1:15:26to call
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- 1:15:27who
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- 1:15:28saved
- 1:15:29in the
- 1:15:29old
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- 1:15:29church
- 1:15:30we
- 1:15:31would be
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- 1:15:32we
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- 1:15:34to
- 1:15:34draw
- 1:15:35like
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- 1:15:36know how
- 1:15:37to draw
- 1:15:37it on
- 1:15:37here
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- 1:15:38there's
- 1:15:38been
- 1:15:38a
- 1:15:38church
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- 1:15:39the
- 1:15:39age
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- 1:15:43language
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- 1:15:43the
- 1:15:43age
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- 1:15:44the
- 1:15:44church
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- 1:15:44mind
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- 1:15:50post
- 1:15:50christ
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- 1:15:52people
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- 1:15:56same
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- 1:16:10carefully about
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- 1:16:11this
- 1:16:11language
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- 1:16:30I
- 1:16:30just
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- 1:16:31over
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- 1:16:37does that
- 1:16:38clarify it
- 1:16:39okay
- 1:16:40okay
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- 1:16:41administration
- 1:16:49administration
- 1:16:50like
- 1:16:50you're
- 1:16:50five
- 1:16:50years
- 1:16:51old
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- 1:16:56not
- 1:16:56I
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- 1:17:01trying to
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- 1:17:02I'm
- 1:17:02trying to
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- 1:17:11symbols
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- 1:17:27but it's
- 1:17:28flat
- 1:17:28this way
- 1:17:28just a lot
- 1:17:30of continuity
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- 1:17:32they're
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- 1:17:33one
- 1:17:33swapping
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- 1:17:38this
- 1:17:38language
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- 1:17:39just
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- 1:17:41be
- 1:17:41more
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- 1:17:42about
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- 1:17:43between
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- 1:17:44yeah
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- 1:17:49just
- 1:17:49tend
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- 1:17:57grace
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- 1:18:05all
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- 1:18:24so
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- 1:18:34god
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- 1:18:35father
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- 1:18:36christ
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- 1:18:37redeemed
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- 1:18:51recognizing
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- 1:18:58things
- 1:18:58that
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- 1:18:59is that
- 1:19:01yeah
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- 1:19:13think
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- 1:19:23on
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- 1:19:23possibly
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- 1:19:42is the
- 1:19:42i think
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- 1:19:44thing for
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- 1:20:28whoa
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- 1:20:33abraham
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- 1:20:33like
- 1:20:34example
- 1:20:34of being
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- 1:20:41looked
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- 1:20:42saw
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- 1:20:42stars
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- 1:22:00saying
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- 1:22:02David
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- 1:22:38practically
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- 1:22:41between
- 1:22:41the two
- 1:22:42views
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- 1:22:55to
- 1:22:55the
- 1:22:55church
- 1:22:56baptistic
- 1:22:56thinking
- 1:22:57and then
- 1:22:58the
- 1:22:58present
- 1:22:59here
- 1:22:59is
- 1:22:59saying
- 1:23:00that
- 1:23:00saving
- 1:23:01covenant
- 1:23:01of grace
- 1:23:02is being
- 1:23:02administered
- 1:23:03given
- 1:23:03since
- 1:23:04chapter 15
- 1:23:05so
- 1:23:05the
- 1:23:06view
- 1:23:07of the
- 1:23:07church
- 1:23:07is
- 1:23:08it
- 1:23:08starts
- 1:23:10there
- 1:23:10so
- 1:23:11the
- 1:23:11difference
- 1:23:11is how
- 1:23:12that
- 1:23:12covenant
- 1:23:14of grace
- 1:23:14is going
- 1:23:14is it
- 1:23:15going like
- 1:23:16this
- 1:23:16and then
- 1:23:16shooting
- 1:23:17this way
- 1:23:17and David
- 1:23:18is looking
- 1:23:19there
- 1:23:19or is it
- 1:23:20actually
- 1:23:20being
- 1:23:20given
- 1:23:22right there
- 1:23:22offered
- 1:23:23to read
- 1:23:25the two
- 1:23:25confessions
- 1:23:25you'll see
- 1:23:26how they
- 1:23:26lay out
- 1:23:26the first
- 1:23:27and second
- 1:23:27covenant
- 1:23:27but
- 1:23:28the
- 1:23:29west
- 1:23:30bishop
- 1:23:30says
- 1:23:30the first
- 1:23:30covenant
- 1:23:31which Adam
- 1:23:31fell
- 1:23:31and sinned
- 1:23:33the second
- 1:23:34covenant
- 1:23:34Christ is
- 1:23:34freely
- 1:23:35offered
- 1:23:35and given
- 1:23:36and use
- 1:23:36that language
- 1:23:37specifically
- 1:23:37to try to get
- 1:23:38this two
- 1:23:38covenant
- 1:23:39distinction
- 1:23:39beginning
- 1:23:40in one
- 1:23:40after another
- 1:23:41where the
- 1:23:421689
- 1:23:43would say
- 1:23:43that
- 1:23:44after this
- 1:23:45is fallen
- 1:23:45through
- 1:23:46progressive
- 1:23:47revelation
- 1:23:48to promises
- 1:23:49the first
- 1:23:50covenant
- 1:23:50of grace
- 1:23:51what it's
- 1:23:51basically
- 1:23:52saying
- 1:23:52is God
- 1:23:52turning past
- 1:23:53selected
- 1:23:53people
- 1:23:54Adam
- 1:23:55failed
- 1:23:55in bringing
- 1:23:56eternal life
- 1:23:56therefore
- 1:23:57God
- 1:23:58bringing about
- 1:23:58his
- 1:23:58people
- 1:23:59and those
- 1:23:59people
- 1:24:00are
- 1:24:00saved
- 1:24:00and
- 1:24:01so the
- 1:24:02two
- 1:24:02distinguishes
- 1:24:03it all
- 1:24:04ages
- 1:24:04the new
- 1:24:05covenant
- 1:24:05is it
- 1:24:05being dispensed
- 1:24:06both ways
- 1:24:06or is it
- 1:24:07only dispensed
- 1:24:08at this point
- 1:24:09times forward
- 1:24:09so one other
- 1:24:10real quick
- 1:24:11thing that might
- 1:24:12help me
- 1:24:12make sense
- 1:24:13so the
- 1:24:14example
- 1:24:14we're talking
- 1:24:15about
- 1:24:15when I read
- 1:24:17that
- 1:24:17and then I
- 1:24:19read what
- 1:24:19the apostles
- 1:24:20say about
- 1:24:21that instance
- 1:24:22my understanding
- 1:24:23is that
- 1:24:24it was
- 1:24:26meant to
- 1:24:26point to
- 1:24:27Christ
- 1:24:27it was
- 1:24:28for
- 1:24:29them
- 1:24:30in that
- 1:24:31time
- 1:24:31so for
- 1:24:32example
- 1:24:32God told
- 1:24:33Moses to
- 1:24:33strike the
- 1:24:34rock
- 1:24:34and water
- 1:24:36would come
- 1:24:36out
- 1:24:36so he
- 1:24:36did
- 1:24:37and there
- 1:24:38is that
- 1:24:38in a way
- 1:24:41it's a
- 1:24:42prophecy
- 1:24:42Christ
- 1:24:43being struck
- 1:24:45put to
- 1:24:46death on
- 1:24:47the cross
- 1:24:47for a
- 1:24:48sin
- 1:24:48and out
- 1:24:49from that
- 1:24:49is
- 1:24:49floating
- 1:24:50in the
- 1:24:50water
- 1:24:50the second
- 1:24:52time when
- 1:24:52he told
- 1:24:53Moses to
- 1:24:54speak to
- 1:24:55the rock
- 1:24:55was
- 1:24:56that
- 1:24:57Christ
- 1:25:00crucifying
- 1:25:00and dying
- 1:25:01would be
- 1:25:01put to
- 1:25:02death
- 1:25:02our
- 1:25:02sins
- 1:25:03bringing
- 1:25:04us
- 1:25:04living
- 1:25:04water
- 1:25:05that's
- 1:25:05happened
- 1:25:06and now
- 1:25:07God is
- 1:25:08saying
- 1:25:08in faith
- 1:25:09ask
- 1:25:10and receive
- 1:25:10but Moses
- 1:25:12didn't do
- 1:25:12that
- 1:25:12he disobeyed
- 1:25:14God
- 1:25:14and
- 1:25:15I guess
- 1:25:19if I'm
- 1:25:20understanding
- 1:25:21it right
- 1:25:21I guess
- 1:25:22the talk
- 1:25:23people would
- 1:25:24say
- 1:25:24that
- 1:25:25those that
- 1:25:27saw that
- 1:25:28as
- 1:25:29prophetic
- 1:25:30that
- 1:25:31there
- 1:25:31somehow
- 1:25:32an
- 1:25:33administering
- 1:25:33of their
- 1:25:34salvation
- 1:25:35through that
- 1:25:36faith
- 1:25:36in the
- 1:25:37what was
- 1:25:38to come
- 1:25:38versus
- 1:25:39the lower
- 1:25:40view
- 1:25:41which is
- 1:25:42simply
- 1:25:42saying
- 1:25:42that's
- 1:25:43just
- 1:25:43prophetic
- 1:25:43Christ
- 1:25:44but it
- 1:25:45doesn't
- 1:25:45administer
- 1:25:46anything
- 1:25:46to
- 1:25:47salvation
- 1:25:47is that
- 1:25:48there's
- 1:25:49still
- 1:25:49salvation
- 1:25:50comes
- 1:25:51through
- 1:25:51faith
- 1:25:51but how
- 1:25:54does that
- 1:25:54example
- 1:25:55practically
- 1:25:56come
- 1:25:57together
- 1:25:57I guess
- 1:25:58yeah
- 1:26:01when I
- 1:26:02hear the
- 1:26:02questions
- 1:26:02what I
- 1:26:03think
- 1:26:03they're
- 1:26:03asking
- 1:26:04about
- 1:26:04is that
- 1:26:05required
- 1:26:06self-dific
- 1:26:07knowledge
- 1:26:08base
- 1:26:08like
- 1:26:09it's
- 1:26:10about
- 1:26:10Jesus
- 1:26:12and I
- 1:26:14would
- 1:26:14just
- 1:26:14say
- 1:26:15don't
- 1:26:15conflate
- 1:26:16those
- 1:26:16two
- 1:26:16things
- 1:26:17that
- 1:26:18that's
- 1:26:19a
- 1:26:19ruling
- 1:26:19target
- 1:26:19what's
- 1:26:21a
- 1:26:21progressive
- 1:26:21revelation
- 1:26:22implies
- 1:26:23is that
- 1:26:23people know
- 1:26:24more
- 1:26:24over time
- 1:26:25so it's
- 1:26:26not like
- 1:26:26you believe
- 1:26:27that's
- 1:26:29how we
- 1:26:29identify
- 1:26:29that you're
- 1:26:30redeemed
- 1:26:30but that
- 1:26:31one covenant
- 1:26:32of grace
- 1:26:32would entail
- 1:26:34a specific
- 1:26:35amount of
- 1:26:35knowledge
- 1:26:36at various
- 1:26:36points
- 1:26:37in time
- 1:26:37does that
- 1:26:38help at all
- 1:26:39yeah
- 1:26:39I fear I drew
- 1:26:41a picture
- 1:26:41and it
- 1:26:42complicated it
- 1:26:42for you
- 1:26:43instead of
- 1:26:43simplifying it
- 1:26:43for you
- 1:26:44that
- 1:26:46that story
- 1:26:48of a
- 1:26:49faithful
- 1:26:50paedo-baptist
- 1:26:50and a
- 1:26:51faithful
- 1:26:51credo-baptist
- 1:26:52would preach
- 1:26:52the same
- 1:26:53way
- 1:26:53I don't
- 1:26:54think we
- 1:26:54would have
- 1:26:54I mean
- 1:26:55it would be
- 1:26:56so minute
- 1:26:56in maybe
- 1:26:58some of
- 1:26:59the language
- 1:26:59we would
- 1:27:00use
- 1:27:00perhaps
- 1:27:01but yeah
- 1:27:02I think
- 1:27:02that's my
- 1:27:03knee-jerk
- 1:27:04response
- 1:27:04is nothing
- 1:27:04it doesn't
- 1:27:05change anything
- 1:27:05there's so
- 1:27:08much agreement
- 1:27:08between the
- 1:27:10two
- 1:27:10the big
- 1:27:11thing
- 1:27:12is really
- 1:27:12when is
- 1:27:14this ratified
- 1:27:15and therefore
- 1:27:16the conclusion
- 1:27:18that there's
- 1:27:19more or
- 1:27:20less
- 1:27:20continuity
- 1:27:21between
- 1:27:22old and
- 1:27:23new
- 1:27:23but the
- 1:27:26people of
- 1:27:26god
- 1:27:27believe
- 1:27:27god
- 1:27:27and
- 1:27:28old and
- 1:27:29new
- 1:27:29testament
- 1:27:29they
- 1:27:29believe
- 1:27:30whatever
- 1:27:30he had
- 1:27:30revealed
- 1:27:31up to
- 1:27:31that point
- 1:27:31even if
- 1:27:32they didn't
- 1:27:32fully understand
- 1:27:33it
- 1:27:33that's the
- 1:27:34distinction
- 1:27:35that's the
- 1:27:36unity
- 1:27:37of the
- 1:27:37matter
- 1:27:37yep
- 1:27:38yep
- 1:27:39yep
- 1:27:40yep
- 1:27:41okay
- 1:27:41Matthew
- 1:27:41this is the
- 1:27:42last one
- 1:27:42and then I'm
- 1:27:42going to pray
- 1:27:43and let you
- 1:27:44guys go
- 1:27:44if you want
- 1:27:44to go
- 1:27:44and you can
- 1:27:45hang out
- 1:27:45and talk
- 1:27:45if you want
- 1:27:45to
- 1:27:45as long
- 1:27:46as you
- 1:27:46want
- 1:27:46to
- 1:27:47it depends
- 1:28:03it depends
- 1:28:04broadly
- 1:28:05so you're
- 1:28:05going to
- 1:28:05have
- 1:28:06one end
- 1:28:06of the
- 1:28:07spectrum
- 1:28:07spontaneous
- 1:28:08even
- 1:28:09make a
- 1:28:10profession
- 1:28:10baptized
- 1:28:11and then
- 1:28:12there's
- 1:28:12some
- 1:28:12traditions
- 1:28:13or even
- 1:28:13just
- 1:28:13churches
- 1:28:14individually
- 1:28:14that have
- 1:28:15big
- 1:28:15examination
- 1:28:16processes
- 1:28:17for that
- 1:28:18to take
- 1:28:18place
- 1:28:18so it's
- 1:28:19a spectrum
- 1:28:20all over
- 1:28:20the place
- 1:28:20so
- 1:28:21yeah
- 1:28:22I said
- 1:28:25one more
- 1:28:25go ahead
- 1:28:25okay
- 1:28:28okay
- 1:28:29thank y'all
- 1:28:30for coming
- 1:28:30let me pray
- 1:28:31for us
- 1:28:31and I'll
- 1:28:32dismiss you
- 1:28:32and again
- 1:28:32hang out
- 1:28:33you can
- 1:28:34convene
- 1:28:35around the
- 1:28:35board
- 1:28:36if you
- 1:28:36want to
- 1:28:36and I
- 1:28:37will
- 1:28:37regret
- 1:28:38drawing
- 1:28:38pictures
- 1:28:38so
- 1:28:39yeah
- 1:28:40let's
- 1:28:40pray