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That Time Rebellious Freemasons Starting Kissing Porcelain Pug Butts · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: You always say that if as a person who doesn't
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  Speaker 1: like dogs, then they're instantly like red flagged in your mind.
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  Speaker 1: Is that still hold true? Uh? You know, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's not just me, No, it's it's a wide spread
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  Speaker 1: read belief. I try not to be judgmental, uh, and
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  Speaker 1: I try to work against that prejudice, but it's it's true,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And in all fairness, as I've mentioned on
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  Speaker 1: dogs because they you know, maybe we're injured by wine
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  Speaker 1: if I meet someone who's anti dog, my eyes a
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  Speaker 1: little bit closer on them. In general, Um super producer
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  Speaker 1: Casey Pegrum dogs yes or no? Oh, big time fan
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  Speaker 1: of dogs and cats, but I love dogs. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I dislike dogs. I definitely don't, but certain small, very
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  Speaker 1: needy breeds of dogs sort of bug me a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Is that? Okay? Is that an acceptable level of of
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  Speaker 1: of of negative fields towards dogs? You know, I think
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  Speaker 1: so much about a given individual dogs behavior is up
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  Speaker 1: to the owners, you know. One one interesting observation a
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  Speaker 1: friend of mine who's a vet made is that small
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  Speaker 1: dogs can tend to have behavioral issues because in their heads,
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  Speaker 1: they're not small dogs, you know what I mean. They're
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  Speaker 1: big alpha bruisers. And if they're treated like babies or coddled,
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  Speaker 1: and they don't have any appropriate training that you would
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  Speaker 1: give to a big dog, then they'll just behave you know, terribly.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. I have, I have. I will say I
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  Speaker 1: met some excellent small dogs, shizuo and even chihuahua, But
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  Speaker 1: when I own dogs, I tend to go for larger
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  Speaker 1: breeds myself, so teach their own. I love your polite
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  Speaker 1: pronunciation of shizu ben. I think it's very very good
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  Speaker 1: for keeping this a family show. Thanks man. Uh, We're
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about dogs for a reason today though, aren't
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  Speaker 1: we Yeah, we are, And I had I had a
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  Speaker 1: I was getting circuitously around to that. It's true today
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  Speaker 1: is about a different kind of love of dogs, and
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  Speaker 1: it's a very particular breed that turns out to be
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  Speaker 1: like one of the oldest breed of dog known to humankind,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the pug, those weird little boys with the
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  Speaker 1: squishy faces. And it's surprising that, uh, pugs are such
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  Speaker 1: an old breed, isn't it. I did not know until
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  Speaker 1: we began diving into this episode. You're right, we are
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  Speaker 1: circuitous here because we're not just talking about a pug.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking we're talking about a grave and image of
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  Speaker 1: a pug. We're talking about a bit of a conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about something called the Order of the Pug.
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  Speaker 1: If if you haven't heard of this, don't beat yourself up.
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  Speaker 1: This is a bit of I would say, this is
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  Speaker 1: a bit obscure, wouldn't you? Oh? Absolutely, um. And it's
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  Speaker 1: it's attached to another, uh, sort of esoteric topic that
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  Speaker 1: many people remain pretty in the dark about, which was
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  Speaker 1: the Masonic fraternity, which is or Freemason's is something that
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  Speaker 1: we've covered pretty extensively on our other show stuff they
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  Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Um, And I didn't really
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  Speaker 1: realize that. I assumed freemasonry was a little more ancient
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  Speaker 1: than it actually was. As well, it turns out that
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  Speaker 1: it was. We don't know exactly how it was established,
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  Speaker 1: but we do know that. Uh, the oldest document that
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  Speaker 1: references Mason's is something called the Regius Poem, which was
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  Speaker 1: printed in thirteen ninety. Just still pretty old, but not
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  Speaker 1: like ancient, I suppose, um, and that was actually a
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  Speaker 1: copy of an earlier work. In seventeen seventeen, that's when
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  Speaker 1: we start to see kind of more organized formations of
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  Speaker 1: what are referred to as Masonic lodges. Four of them
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  Speaker 1: sprang up in London, and the first one was called
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  Speaker 1: the Grand Lodge of England. And uh, it's then that
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  Speaker 1: we start to see a little bit better record keeping
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  Speaker 1: in the Masonic order. Yeah, something something like freemasonry as
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  Speaker 1: we understand it today did likely exist before nine because,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, the Reggie's Poem is a copy of
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  Speaker 1: an earlier work. But when those four lodges vultron together
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  Speaker 1: into a Grand Lodge, that's what we can consider as
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  Speaker 1: the modern age of Freemasonry or whatever. We understand Freemasonry
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  Speaker 1: as today. And it took off like gangbusters. It was
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  Speaker 1: super popular. It took over Europe the way that the
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  Speaker 1: Macarena took over radio. At some point, blessedly brief point, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: the Freemasons spread across Europe. They found their way into
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  Speaker 1: the American colonies. They were super popular in colonial America.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see the like a lot of the founding fathers
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  Speaker 1: were Masons, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Paul Revere, Joseph Warren,
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  Speaker 1: and many other notable figures in early American history, including
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  Speaker 1: Chief Justice John Marshall. And it kept growing, right, and
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  Speaker 1: now it's worldwide. And Ben, I miss spoke earlier, and
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  Speaker 1: you totally corrected me beautifully. Um. The that's right. That
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  Speaker 1: Grand Lodge of England was a squishing together, um allah,
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  Speaker 1: pug face of those four lodges that existed there in London.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't just one of them. It was a big
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  Speaker 1: kind of conglomerate. Um. But yeah, you're absolutely right, and
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of become it's sort of and I always
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  Speaker 1: think of it as an Enlightenment movement. It's all about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, bettering yourself through study through um, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 1: self discovery and self improvement even and it's sort of
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  Speaker 1: meant as as almost a benevolent organization to help push
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  Speaker 1: society forward in a positive way. Uh. And they get
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  Speaker 1: involved in lots of causes um philanthropy. For example, the
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  Speaker 1: Shriners is an offshoot of Freemasonry, and you often see
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  Speaker 1: them in their little fez hats, writing their small cars
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  Speaker 1: and parades. But they also financed a lot of children's hospitals. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we have to remember that during the eighteen hundreds in
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  Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, the concept of the social safety net
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  Speaker 1: was nowhere near as widespread, and Masonry in many cases
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  Speaker 1: stepped in to fill that void, founding orphanages like you said,
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  Speaker 1: also providing housing and care for widows and homes for
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  Speaker 1: the elderly. For a lot of people, this was the
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  Speaker 1: closest they would get to some kind of community support.
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  Speaker 1: We know. The first lodge in the German speaking world
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  Speaker 1: was founded at Hamburg in seventeen thirty seven, and in
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  Speaker 1: seventeen forty Frederick the Great inspired or sparked the establishment
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  Speaker 1: of a Grand National Mother lodge called the Three Globes
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  Speaker 1: in Berlin. In my seventeen fifty four, there were nineteen
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  Speaker 1: Masonic lodge is in Germany. They're kind of doing the
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  Speaker 1: same stuff as the other European lodges, the colonial lodges.
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  Speaker 1: What's interesting here is that in step with the evolution
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  Speaker 1: and the propagation of Freemasonry, we see the evolution and
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  Speaker 1: propagation of conspiracy theories about Freemasonry of people who are
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  Speaker 1: not Mason's saying, you know, these these guys are up
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  Speaker 1: to something, devil worshiping. I don't know, maybe maybe maybe well,
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  Speaker 1: and I can understand where that comes from because it
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  Speaker 1: isn't as an order that's been around for quite a
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  Speaker 1: long time, and there's a lot of different things wrapped
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  Speaker 1: up in Freemasonry. One of the most important tenants is
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  Speaker 1: that is kind of an enlightenment organization. Like we said,
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  Speaker 1: so it really emphasizes knowledge and education over mystical things
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  Speaker 1: or religion. Even though they use tons of symbols we
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  Speaker 1: know about, like Masonic rites and a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: ceremonies that are involved in Masonic traditions and ceremonies, they
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  Speaker 1: really were not about talking about God. It wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: central feature in in Freemasonry at all. Uh. There's an
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  Speaker 1: article from CBS News from where a Masonic historian named
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  Speaker 1: Brent Morris is quoted as saying that he saw Freemasonry
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  Speaker 1: as uh completely separate from this idea of religious fervor
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  Speaker 1: and much more of a brotherly organization that was an
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  Speaker 1: alternative to so much of the infighting that was happening
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  Speaker 1: between Catholics and Protestants and any opposing religious groups. Uh
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  Speaker 1: So it really was meant to kind of like say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: let's just get along and try to wise up, learn
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  Speaker 1: about ourselves in the world, and maybe make things a
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  Speaker 1: little bit better for everybody. Yeah, they're they're essentially saying, look,
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  Speaker 1: we can agree that the concept of God or Supreme
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  Speaker 1: Architect or whatever you wanna call it is important, is
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  Speaker 1: indeed crucial. We can even say that we're compelled to
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  Speaker 1: make the community a better place because of something like God,
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  Speaker 1: but we don't have to be dogmatic about it, which is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a watchword of the Catholic Church. And so
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  Speaker 1: even though we should bust this myth, even though Freemasons
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  Speaker 1: had no truck with atheists, you would you would get
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  Speaker 1: kicked out showing the door if you were an atheist.
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  Speaker 1: Even though they were acknowledging what they saw as the
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  Speaker 1: divine in their organizations, that this was not enough for
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  Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church was still having that
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  Speaker 1: are the devil worshippers? Maybe maybe maybe, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe kind of conversation, and they said, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: problem with this, the problem with the Masons is thought crime.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't coin the term thought crime, but that's what
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  Speaker 1: they were mad about, you know. No, it's true. They
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  Speaker 1: thought that if you separated out that, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the importance of God as being first and foremost, then
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  Speaker 1: it could become like some kind of like you know,
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  Speaker 1: dangerous political thinking could just run rampant. There's a really
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  Speaker 1: good article in the Vintage News about the Order of
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  Speaker 1: the pug which we're getting to, that goes into this nicely.
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  Speaker 1: So it actually happened that in seventy eight Pope Clements
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  Speaker 1: the twelve, using something known as a papal bull, which
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  Speaker 1: referred to that seal that would be used to seal
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of official decrees, etcetera. Um, he declared Freemasons
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  Speaker 1: to be persona non grata. He essentially outlawed the Order entirely. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's true because they posed a spiritual danger. But to
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  Speaker 1: your point, they posed a secular danger, a social danger
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  Speaker 1: as well. The Catholic Church at this time had a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good thing going socio economically and socio politically. They
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  Speaker 1: benefited from the status quo of monarchies, and free Mason's
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  Speaker 1: opposed the status quo of a monarchy, and this meant
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  Speaker 1: that the papacy saw Freemasonry as a danger to their
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  Speaker 1: current social order and an enemy of the Church. You
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  Speaker 1: have to remember, this is an organization that historically has
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  Speaker 1: had no problem with straight up murdering people for very
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  Speaker 1: small disagreements with their opinion on the divine and they
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  Speaker 1: had a problem, especially in Germany. This is why we
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  Speaker 1: mentioned the German Freemasons. So a lot of Germans were
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  Speaker 1: Catholics and also members of Freemasonry, and this did not
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  Speaker 1: dissuade the Church from issuing this papal bull against Freemasonry.
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  Speaker 1: They saw Freemasonry as something that was helping people without
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  Speaker 1: regard to their religion. So if they were helping, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: an elderly person, it didn't matter to them whether that
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  Speaker 1: person was Protestant or Catholic or some other religion, and
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  Speaker 1: that was as very, very dangerous. So they took as
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  Speaker 1: you can see in a history one of one article.
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  Speaker 1: They took it to the nuclear level. They would excommunicate
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  Speaker 1: anyone found to be a member of the Mason. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because that level of benevolence was pretty forward thinking, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like Catholics didn't typically mix with non Catholics.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that's overstate in the case. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: dogmatically speaking, that would not have been the official line
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  Speaker 1: of the Catholic Church. But surely there were other Catholics
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  Speaker 1: that would help out those in need despite their religious
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  Speaker 1: affiliations or whatever. But this was very much a tenant
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  Speaker 1: of freemasonry, and that did not sit well with with
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  Speaker 1: his his what is his majesty? What do you call
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  Speaker 1: a pope? His eminence is his holiness and yeah, all
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  Speaker 1: of that stuff. So freemasonry is essentially outlawed as far
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  Speaker 1: as the Catholic Church is concerned. You are, you know,
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  Speaker 1: under threat of excommunication, which is like the worst thing
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  Speaker 1: that could happen to a person. It would be like
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  Speaker 1: your ostracized from your peers, from professionally society would have
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  Speaker 1: been really bad news. Absolutely would have been, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a ruinous thing to have happened to you. So these
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  Speaker 1: Catholics it's very important to them in Germany to continue
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  Speaker 1: being Catholic, you know, because essentially, if you're excommunicated, you're
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  Speaker 1: like not allowed to be Catholic anymore, which I don't mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I would think you could still be Catholic
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  Speaker 1: in your heart, but so many things. Uh, there's so
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  Speaker 1: many rules that I guess you could literally have to
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  Speaker 1: say like, well, I'm not Catholic anymore because I've been
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  Speaker 1: officially excommunicated. It's robbed me of my Catholicism. So they
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  Speaker 1: don't want that to happen. But they also really dug
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  Speaker 1: this order, They really dug the whole freemason anything. And
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  Speaker 1: so they decided to take it underground, UM. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: and for a secret society, it was already pretty secretive.
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  Speaker 1: To go like further underground, that's a real escalation there.
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  Speaker 1: So they established of several members of the Catholic States
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  Speaker 1: of Germany UM who did not want to you know,
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  Speaker 1: publicly renounce the order and quit, but also didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to incur the wrath of of the Vatican. They a
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  Speaker 1: formed a group in Vienna in September of seventy eight, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and they called it MOPS. Says MOPS says, I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: man the best German pronunciation, but mops. It's with Germans
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  Speaker 1: called pugs yep. September twenty two, seventy eight. Several members
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  Speaker 1: both of the Catholic Church and Freemasonry wanted to keep
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  Speaker 1: on mason NG and keep on Catholick NG, so they
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  Speaker 1: came up with a an off brand of freemasonry. It's
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  Speaker 1: totally an imitation of Freemasonry. It is as you said,
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  Speaker 1: noel mopsis, mopsis, mops OrderIn the order of the pug.
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  Speaker 1: This is the brain child, or I should say the
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  Speaker 1: brain puppy, the brain pug of a man named Clemens
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  Speaker 1: August of Vittelsbach, Bavaria is the Elector of Cologne, and
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  Speaker 1: basically he and his Freemason buddies just kind of revised
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  Speaker 1: the format. They did a reboot of masonry, and this
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  Speaker 1: facilitated their activities. They chose the pug for reasons, right,
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't just the first animal someone saw during the
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  Speaker 1: brainstorming session. They thought that the pug had these qualities
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  Speaker 1: of loyalty, trust and steadfast character, and they thought, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is gonna help us on a pr front. If
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  Speaker 1: the Pope gets mad that's basically what they thought. And
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  Speaker 1: then they went around and started getting the patronage of
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  Speaker 1: very powerful people in Germany. They went around getting protection
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  Speaker 1: essentially from princes of the Empire. They would make those
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  Speaker 1: princes the grand masters of the Order of the Pug,
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  Speaker 1: and the Dugo Bavaria, very powerful in his own right,
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  Speaker 1: took it under his protection. That's the official story of
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  Speaker 1: how this off brand masonry chose the pug. But I
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  Speaker 1: believe there's another theory here, isn't there No that there
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  Speaker 1: has been that there is, and it revolves around the
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  Speaker 1: question of what was it about these little smush faced
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  Speaker 1: buggers that made them so appealing as like this kind
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  Speaker 1: of iconic emblem of this secret society. So to do that,
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  Speaker 1: we have to kind of think about that history of
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  Speaker 1: the pug dog that we talked about at the very
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  Speaker 1: beginning of the show, how long they've been around um
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  Speaker 1: In China, emperors were absolutely crazy about these little guys.
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  Speaker 1: There are even stories of of certain Chinese like soothsayers,
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  Speaker 1: reading the wrinkles on pugs faces is some form of
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  Speaker 1: divination and little ways down in history, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the European elite UH folks ranging from Voltaire you know,
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  Speaker 1: who was a very well known, outspoken writer. To Queen
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  Speaker 1: Victoria herself were absolutely in love with them. So when
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  Speaker 1: King William the Third came to England from the Netherlands,
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  Speaker 1: Um through an act of Parliament in to take over
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  Speaker 1: for James the Second, who was extremely Catholic, he brought
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  Speaker 1: with him UM from the Netherlands, these pug dogs and
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  Speaker 1: they became UH in and of themselves kind of a
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  Speaker 1: a signpost or like an emblem of the Enlightenment movement,
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  Speaker 1: and that would you say a dog whistle? I would
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  Speaker 1: absolutely say that. I would absolutely say that specifically in England,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of these Enlightenment type intellectuals from Europe
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  Speaker 1: really admired UM the kind of freethinking government UH in England,
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  Speaker 1: and also as a result, the idea of owning a
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  Speaker 1: pug became this kind of show of solidarity with this
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  Speaker 1: revolution that was going on, and it was something you
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  Speaker 1: could do, like without getting arrested, which was a plus,
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  Speaker 1: or like tortured to death. Yeah, the pug. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: in case we forget to mention this, the pug breed
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  Speaker 1: probably dates back to four hundred BC E. That's how
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  Speaker 1: ancient it is. It's definitely not a newer breed, and
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  Speaker 1: at the time pugs were a little bit more slender,
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  Speaker 1: and they were also if you can imagine if folks,
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  Speaker 1: they were also associated with mysteries. They were somewhat exotic, right,
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  Speaker 1: a dog no one had seen before. The point of
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  Speaker 1: this is that the Order is most likely not taking
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  Speaker 1: a pug just out of the ether. It was already
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  Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist. It meant something to them. They had
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  Speaker 1: a reason for engaging with this particular dog whistle. They
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  Speaker 1: were progressive. They were surprisingly progressive. Women were allowed to
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  Speaker 1: be part of the organization as well as men, which
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  Speaker 1: I think is awesome. The Mopsists were considered a androgynous order.
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  Speaker 1: They as written in the Masonic Trowel dot com, which
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  Speaker 1: is great to read. By the way, they admitted women
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  Speaker 1: to every single office except for one, the Grand Master.
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  Speaker 1: That title was held for life. That's what a lot
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  Speaker 1: of those German princes of the Empire got. There was, however,
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  Speaker 1: an analog position to that, a Grand Mistress and the
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  Speaker 1: Grand Master and Grand Mistress roles would alternate every six months,
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  Speaker 1: and whomever was in power at that time had absolute
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  Speaker 1: authority over the Order, over the meetings and stuff. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and they did have something that was eccentric. It sounds
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  Speaker 1: pretty open minded to not have a gender bias. But
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  Speaker 1: here's the catch. Here's here's the fine print at the
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  Speaker 1: bottom of the announcement. No, casey, only Catholics could undergo
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: the initiation ritual to join the Order of the Punk Interesting,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I guess. Okay, well, but that makes sense, right because
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: it was specifically like design to protect Catholics. And yeah,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I I have so much room for new members, so yeah,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: let's reserve it for the folks that actually need it, right, Okay, okay, yeah, yeah,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I guess that's fair for being objective. But now since
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: we've done our due diligence being objective about one thing,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: we've got to talk about what I what I think
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: is the uh, the funniest part of this, which is
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the the initiation ritual. Uh. This is what I want
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: to start this off by saying that we are not
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: being derogatory, We're not dogging on them whatever, it's it's
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: just funny. We think it's funny. We're doggedly chasing the
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: truth ben as what we're doing there, we go without
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: being dogmatic about it. So let's let's put it this.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Let's just walk you through this. This comes from oddly enough,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: National pure Bred Dog Day. You can learn the initiation
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: ritual you would have to undergo first. You have to
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: be Catholic, doesn't matter if you're a man or woman.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: You have to be Catholic. Check yep. You have to
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: put on a dog caller. You have to get on
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: all fours at the front door, and you have to
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: scratch at the door. Check like check check? Okay, what next?
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: It's getting a little I'm I'm getting a little more
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: hesitant with these checks. Ben dog collar withold someone? Have
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you on a leash? Or were you like free Roman?
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: You're like a stray dog looking for a home. A
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: collar that implies ownership. I don't know who who's your
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: master at this? I mean, I don't know. I would
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: love to see one of these, but alas that's lost
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: to history. Uh, they didn't have iPhones back then. Um. Yeah,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: So you're scratching at the door like a good little
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: pug and then these hooded figures, uh, presumably on a leash,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: but maybe not. Maybe they would just hook their finger
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: around the little loop in your collar. They would lead
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you around a carpet that was full of Pug symbols
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: nine times in a circle. I would hope yep got
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: that uh, and then um. When the full uh group
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: of the full order of the Pugs of this particular
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: chapter was assembled, um, and they they actually called themselves
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: pugs or mops. Uh. They barked loudly and yelled momento mori.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Remember you shall die check definitely got that one gonna die? Okay,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: not immediately though, just big picture, right, it's important point.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: It's important to acknowledge immortality in the Order of the Pugs.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: But momentum mental maori is a very popular expression within
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: the Order of Freemasonry in general. Correct. Momentum Mori's just uh.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: It's a banging expression. It's a bop. You can find
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it in so many places. The only problem with momento
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: mori is you have to be careful not to overuse
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: it in casual conversations with your friends at the pub
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: because you might sound a little bit melodramatic. But it
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: fits here. These people are taking this seriously, so we
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: have to You have to remember the three of us
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: and hopefully you, dear listener, might be chuckling when we
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: tell you about this. But they were treating this with
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: high dudgeon at this time. The final stage of the
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: ritual involves a porcelain pug. So you've walked around nine
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: times the snool set and then you're led to you
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: here all these people barking at you and yelling you
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: know that one day everyone dies. And then you go
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to this porcelain pug sculpture and you have to kiss
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: it specifically on its hind quarters, beneath its tail. You're
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: kissing the pugs. Uh great, Australia. Yeah uh the let mean,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: let's just go there the specifically, not just the butt
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the anus. Yeah, you're kissing. You're kissing the pugs butt hole,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: and this reaffirms your complete allegiance to the group. Now,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: sure that might sound a bit humiliating for some people,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: but consider how lucky you are to be kissing a
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: porcelain sculpture instead of an actual pug. I gotta say, Ben,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: kissing the porcelain pug butt sounds like a pretty banging
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: new expression for like having a puke. It doesn't. Yeah
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, for like a college student party. Yeah yeah, bro,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Trevor's over there totally kissing the porcelain pug butt. Bro,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: like that it is important to note that when you
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: do this, when you jump through all these hoops, or
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: when you run this dog course, I should say, you
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: get some You get some swag out of this. You
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: get to wear a special medallion. It's a pug medallion
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: made of silver, and you hide it under your clothes.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: So when you see other mopes is you can, you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: maybe pull out your amulet and be like yo, momentum
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: more a make a kissing sound of a kissing a pug.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: But I love it. Yeah, and that's definitely I mean
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: it is a dog whistle at that point, you know.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the idea of a dog whistle, as
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: you're letting people know about something without coming right out
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and saying it, or using symbolic language that that only
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: certain people in the know will register like the sound
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: of a dog whistle. Sorry if I am insulting anyone's
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: intelligence with this description of what a dog whistle is,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I know you're smart out there, folks, or son of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a fish or straight up seahorse teeth. Longtime listeners, you
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: know what's up. We've got our own kind of order
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: when no pugs yet, but we're we're working on some stuff.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: So porcelain, right, that's kind of an expensive thing. It's
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: not something people just have. It turns out we know
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: about this porcelain pug partially because as a weird tongue twister.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: We know about this porcelain pug partially because of a
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: German sculptor and model maker named Johann Candler. From seventeen
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: forty to seventeen forty five, he was commissioned to make
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: these sculptures. Uh. He made a series of sculptures, a
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: group of porcelain pug dolls that were designed to be
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: the secret emblems of the Order of the Pug. And
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: he he talks about it like we have on historical
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: record his log book where he's saying, I'm making all
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: these pug figurines. Uh, some are probably for the King
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of Pole and uh, you know today I made a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: female dog with a puppy, and then later I made
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: a male dog. These are these kind of like Hummels,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: you know, Hummels, the really clearly collectible little little porcelain guys.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: There's like the the Young Shepherd's Boy that's a really
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: popular one. They go for like quite a lot of
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: money on eBay. And there's also a thing that Carmela
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Soprano had uh in the Sopranos. Um that was like
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: kind of an Italian equivalent of this. There's a specific
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: name for it's these porcelain figures of like very elaborately
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: dressed women. Um, and I can't remember the damn name
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: of it, but if anyone remembers that, let us know.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: There's a whole thing where like, uh, a J has
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: this girlfriend that he brings over. He doesn't realize that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: her family is like super rich, like mega Mondo, like
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you know, billionaire type rich, and um, it puts him
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: in his place when he realizes how much cooler her
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: house is than you know, the sopranos quite uh quite
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: lovely New Jersey estate. But she's being very protective of
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: this porcelain thing and remarking upon it how it's like
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: very special and expensive, and the girl kind of plays along.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: But then they go to her house and she has
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: like her parents have like picassos on the wall and stuff.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, porcelain has always kind of like held this
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: place of sort of bespokenness because it was more of
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: a delicate material and not every not something everyone could have. Um.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Augustus the third, however, who was the grand Master of
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: the Order of the Pugs in Saxony, and a company
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: called mason Um manufactured a bunch of porcelain pugs in
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the early seventeen forties that were used for these ceremonies.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I do want to point out to pugs around this
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: time were a little different than they are today. Um.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: They they were. They were skinnier, you know. Now I
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: think of a pug is like a mini bulldog almost.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: There are other little stout and they've got kind of
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: big round heads. These pugs were a lot more genteel.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And if you see some of these sculptures, not of
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the pugs themselves necessarily, but of like women from the
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: time posing with pugs kind of peeking out from under
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: their skirts and all that. Um, they're they're a lot
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: more dainty looking. Yeah. As I mentioned earlier in the episode,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the pugs were more slender at this time. They didn't
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: have the famous pug rolls that you may see in
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the modern day pug. Uh. And that's you know, that's
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: active breeding. That's also we gotta admit part of that
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: diet pug owners. So the big question is your local
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: community inundated with a secret Pug based order dating back
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: to the age of Enlightenment. The answer is probably not,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: because in seventeen five this order was busted. Its secrets
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: were exposed in a book published in Amsterdam that detailed
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: that initiation ritual as well as illustrations of the ritual.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Just three years later, sevent the Order of the Pugs
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: was officially outlawed. This uh, this was probably due to
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: that that publication, which have been referred to as a
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: trader's pamphlet, either as a whistleblower a dog whistle blower.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: There we go and the authorities of the University of
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: guten gen Gauten Gin, what do you think getting in gutting?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you? They banned something called Lodge Louis, the student
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: lodge of the Order of the Pug, and this turned
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: out to be the death knew this was the final
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: howl of the Pug. They they came up with some excuses,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: some technicalities. They said, you know, you have an unhealthy
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: influence over members of the lodge and it's unfair for
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you to charge these students all these fees. So we're
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: shutting it down. But it's still went on in secret.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Now it's even deeper into the conspiratorial onion. These people
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: were still doing their their pug stuff, uh in well
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: into the nineteen hundreds into nineteen o two is last
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: record we have. I love that you resisted the urge
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: to say pug butt stuff, but I'm gonna do it
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: for you. Um yeah, I mean so it's like, yeah,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: so first of all, masonry is outlawed, then the Pugs
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: are an answer to that, and then the Pug Order
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: is outlawed, so then it has to go even deeper underground.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I love this. I love these layers of secrecy. It's
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Uh and yeah. And as as
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: as as recently relatively speaking, as nineteen o two, the
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: order was reported to be active in Lyon. Then in
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: seventeen fifty one, Pope Benedict the x I V Ben
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: helped me out with the with the with the Roman numeral,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Pope Benedict the fourteen. That's right, the eye goes before
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the V and makes it a four. I really need
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: to brush up on my Roman numerals. You know those
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: ones at the end of movies. Have they used it
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: to like spell out like an entire year, and they're
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: like massively long. Those are a lot of fun. Uh.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Never would be able to make heads or tails of
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: those in a million years, but yeah, it's true. The
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: pope um once again, through a papal bull um, this
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: time known as Providus romanorum Um, he put the kaibash
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: even further on freemasonry. Yeah that's right. Freemasonry was also
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: still the subject of intense concern for the Catholic Church
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: pugs aside, and here our episode probably draws to a
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: close because freemasonry is, as I like to say, its
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: own bag of badgers. So before we go on a
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: crazy rabbit hole or should I say a crazy pug hole.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: That's a weird phrase, into crazy pug butt hole, and
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it into freemasonry. Uh, We're gonna
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: stop today's episode. We hope that you add a wonderful time.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our superproducer Casey Pegram. Thanks to
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Alex Williams, who composed Oh no, oh, come on, it's time,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: gentleman Jonathan's Strickland a k a. The Quister. You've zoom
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: bombed us yet again. Yes, yes, you haven't figured out
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: how to change the U R O. There certainly was
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: an absence. I will say that. I don't know if
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: it was a palpable absence, but you know, I'm I'm
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: softening to you, Jonathan. I'm I'm sort of like having
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: a hard time maintaining this whole Nemesis thing because we're
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: all so lonely. It's It's true. I I frequently find
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: myself quizzing my dog and he just he just couldn't
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: care less. And it's not the same at all. You
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: don't have a pug, do you. I do not have
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: a have a mutt. Yeah, you know, Jonathan. First off,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I have to say, for everybody not watching today's episode
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: because we are an audio podcast, uh, your beer looks great,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: one that take it with you. That's a compliment and
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I mean it. Uh. Secondly, I gotta say, um, you guys,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not super lonely. I'm thrilled. I love these days
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: of quarantine. Wait, Jonathan just put on his fancy new glasses.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Do are you swagging on us a little swagger? I
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: have to take the victories wherever I can. At this point,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Bolan duly noted, quisterd noted, Shall I explain what this
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: is all about? This for those who have not been
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: so so fortunate as to experience a quiz to segment before.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I guess you might as well. Welcome to the most
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: cringe worthy segments at all of podcasting. I the quister
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: shall quiz our beloved hosts with three scenarios, and they
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: must tell me which of the three scenarios is made
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: up seas. Yes, I have made up seas one of
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the three. They at this time, I am allowing you
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: to ask me questions. I know, I know, I am
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: your curial. I change back and forth, but of course
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: you must preface any question with a phrase that is
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: arbitrarily of my own choosing. And for this one it
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: shall be macacahi macaheiny hoe. So oh, that's a feature
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: that really was fun. That that sort of went away
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: when you forbade us from asking questions. So I'm glad
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: to see that one coming back. Jonathan, I felt left out. Well,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: you guys were like talking about things, and you know,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I just sat here for three minutes because you get
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: three minutes to decide which one's real, and I don't
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: like that part. So no, we are going to have
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the questions return. I may or may not know the answers,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: because frankly, I you know, you know that, Pug. But
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I gave about half a pug butt worth of effort
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: on this one. Guys, I'm not not gonna lie, all right,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: So I will present to you three scenarios. We will
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: start the timer, you will begin to debate, You will
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: choose one of the three as fake, and then I
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: would do you if you got it right or not.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: So with that in mind, here are your three scenarios.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: The Independent Order of the Odd Fellows is a fraternal
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: order that traces its history at least to the mid
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: eighteenth century, and at one time counted more members among
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: its number than the Freemasons here in America. Eleanor Roosevelt
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: was an odd fellow. Charlie Chaplin an odd fellow. P. T. Barnum, Oh,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: you best believe he was an odd fellow. Their three
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: guiding principles are friendship, love and truth. Scenario two. The
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Ancient Order of the Druids isn't that ancient. It was
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: founded in the late eighteenth century as a fraternal order
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: and secret society. The basis for the order wasn't so
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: much Druid I as it was Masonic, Influenced by Jacob Burmer,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: a Christian mystic, of some renown. While the order strives
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: to read druid I ideals throughout the world, it also
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: claims to be a non religious fraternal order. Scenario three.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: The earliest record for the Loyal Order of Water Buffalos
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: dates to just before the nineteenth century. Members of the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: order will claim that the organization predates even the Freemasons
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: under various names, but it appears that the truth is
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: that a group of tradesmen, frustrated by the lengthy initiation
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: processes of orders like the Freemasons, decided to make their
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: own order. Start the clock, Okay, hang on, I'm running.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I'm running to this. I should have when I moved
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: this grandfather clock. I really should have put it at
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: least close to the microphone. Hang on, geez, been, how
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: big is your room? I go, and I think it's
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: just stalling. Okay, three minutes. Wait, Mecalcahi, Meca, Heidi Hope,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Jonathan ak the quister. What was the name of that
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: third organization, the Loyal Order of the Water Buffaloes. I mean, okay,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: so I'm pretty sure all of these are real, these orders,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, like what the detail is that
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: he's uh, he's jacking with to try to mess with
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: our minds here. I know the Odd Fellows is real.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I've definitely heard of that. And I know that Royal
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Order or the whatever water buffalo thing is also real.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Um what was Meca like a hi mecahiny Hoe? Yes?
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Mr Brown? What was the second one? The ancient Order
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: of the Druids? So that's the one. The Druids also real? Uh?
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Did feel like we we know about Druid I sacrifices?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Is that trumped up? Ben? What do you know about
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: this stuff from stuff they don't want you to know? Uh?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: So I may not be the most help here because
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I am not. I am not a hunterd percent water buffalo?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: But hang on, uh, I gotta say, okay, okay, wait
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: wait wait wait was water Buffalo from the Flint Stones?
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's it? Yeah, I think it is. Do
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: all three of these organizations have living, non animated human
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: beings as members? Currently? Do you mean currently? I'll play
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: your reindeer games. I see that Matrix dodge. Uh yeah? Currently? No? No? Okay,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: not all three? Uh? Yeah no? I think I think
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I guess it's the Flint Stones and the Grand Puba.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was the water Buffalo. Yeah, hold on,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: let me let me just make sure. All right, let's
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: should we lock it in three as facias? Yeah to one. Well,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: congratulations your knowledge of Hanna barbera strong. Don't celebrate. This
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  Speaker 1: was the easiest one I've given you so far. I
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: wanted to set the bar. See, this is what I
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: was doing. I was thinking, I'm going to set the bar.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: They can't recognize a Hannah barbera reference, then, clearly I
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: am putting far too much effort into these segments. Now
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: you have convinced me that I need to do at
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: least more than the bare minimum congratulately. Here's the thing, though, Jonathan.
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  Speaker 1: The reason it got me is everything sounds so authoritative
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  Speaker 1: when you say it in that awful British accent. That's
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: that's part of the gig. I think it's a great accent. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And also that was pretty close. I was freaking myself
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: out because as soon as you said odd fellows, I
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: knew one of them wouldn't be true. And then as
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: soon as you said water Buffalo, I I thought, you know,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I have read so much about these secret societies that
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: surely and this was maybe arrogant to me, I was like,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: surely I'm gonna know I would have heard something more
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: about Water Buffalo at this point. I would have drove
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: an episode on it, or Nolan I would have. And
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: so I think I was conflating in my mind with
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: like the Elks Lodge, you know what I mean, the Elks,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: And there's also the Order of the Moose. Yes, there
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: are a lot of other orders. I mean clearly, when
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: they were making the Flintstones and decided to create a
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: fraternal order, they based it off of other existing fraternities,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: and so water Buffalo came to be. And that's why
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I felt. I felt that this was a coin flip
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: situation because I realized that this is one where you
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: might have heard of it, but I wasn't certain how
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: how deep your flintstone knowledge went. But at the same time,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: if you got it wrong, I was just going to
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: lord it over you for it to the end of time.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I was right about the Grand Puba, though, isn't that
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: the Grand Puba is the leader of the water Buffaloes
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: all right? And the Stonemason's shout out to the Stonemason's right,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: is that what their name is in the Simpsons Stone
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Cutterstone cut the stone Cutters stone Cutters. Well, I I
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: think we should start our own order. Uh, you know
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: of some sort I've always ever since I've been working here,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: uh and doing this podcast stuff, I've always been starting
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: cults or orders. You can see me convincing Jonathan to
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: join a cult led by our friend Matt Frederick somewhere
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: on YouTube. Well, let's get some suggestions from people. What
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: do you think, guys, Let's get some suggestions for the
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: name of our secret our secret keeping. Keeping in mind,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: the pug butt is already taken. Yeah, that's that's a bummer.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: That's a real pug bumm, pug bummer. So so, Jonathan,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I I think out of our immense profound respect for
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you and tossing us a softball there, uh, I motioned
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: that you should be able to choose your own title
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: in whatever this order ends up coming, subject to approval
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: by Casey Pepper. Well, I mean quiz to really just fits. Really,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just it's it's it's not just a lifestyle,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: it's also my title. So it's really it's I'm like
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: the wind, baby, you can't control me. What do you
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: want to be? The Grand quiz Ter? The high quick Sister,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: his eminence, the Quister, the High Quister. Sounds good that
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: that goes along with my plans for later today. So
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: let's let's go with that one. Alright, alright, I can
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: get behind that. Um. I never thought I would see
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the day where you made that kind of joke. Jot.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I well, it's four twenties somewhere. It's I miss you, man.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: That's that's our show, right, I think. I mean. Thank
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: you very much to Jonathan Strickland a k a. The
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Quister for those ridiculous historians keeping track at home, NOL.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I believe this makes us either ted or maybe we're
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: one up an hour, one up. Oh man. Finally I'll
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: get some respect from my cats at this apartment. Finally
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I'll be able to sleep at night, and finally, casey uh,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: we'll probably not change his behavior at all. Fair Huge
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: thanks to Alex Williams, who composed our theme. Christopher Haciota
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: is here in spirit our research associate, Grand High Puba
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Gaye Lousier. Big thanks, of course to our apparently high Quister,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland a k a. The High Quister now uh,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: and big thanks, of course to our own wizard of
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the East Eves Jeff Coat, big thanks to you for
• 44:16
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• 44:19
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• 44:24
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• 44:38
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• 44:45
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• 45:30
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• 45:34
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• 45:38
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