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You Don't Even Like Sports - Did Ray Lewis Kill A Guy After the Super Bowl In 2000? · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 2: Zeke and Seiko here. You don't even like sports.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to You Don't Even Like Sports. A podcast about
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  Speaker 3: sports for people who don't like sports. With your hosts,
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  Speaker 3: Adam Todd Brown and Jeff May.
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  Speaker 2: Hey.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Jeff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam.
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  Speaker 1: There's something I need to tell you.
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  Speaker 2: It's the you don't even like sports thing, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't even like sports.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: It's the thing where you're coming out and explaining to
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  Speaker 2: me how you don't even like sports.
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  Speaker 1: No, wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you're not going to tell me about how you
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  Speaker 2: don't even like sports? You're still going to keep it secret?
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you about how you don't even
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  Speaker 1: like sports.
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  Speaker 2: That's not true. I've gone on record.
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  Speaker 1: On what record?
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  Speaker 2: I've gone on record as saying I do like sports,
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  Speaker 2: but it turns out, Adam, you never have because you
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  Speaker 2: don't even like sports.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. Welcome to You Don't Even Like Sports.
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  Speaker 2: Sports podcast for people who don't like sports, like Adam.
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  Speaker 1: Like Jeff. Like Jeff, who does not like sports, probably
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  Speaker 1: will not be watching the Super Bowl this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: You dirty dog. How could you?
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  Speaker 1: It's an American holiday this weekend, Jeff.
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  Speaker 2: It is. Are you excited? I would like to congratulate
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  Speaker 2: all of the working from home people who can finally
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  Speaker 2: have that hangover-ish day that they clamor for. the day
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  Speaker 2: after the Super Bowl every year?
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I mean, I'm not, I understand some people in
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  Speaker 1: some work situations don't have the luxury of taking vacation days.
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  Speaker 1: But if you were at any point a serious Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl watcher and you didn't take the day after the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl off as a vacation day, you weren't really
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  Speaker 1: that serious of a Super Bowl watcher.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's also like, are you a
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  Speaker 2: serious Super Bowl watcher slash raging alcoholic? I think those
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  Speaker 2: two might mix specifically. Because you can watch the whole
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl and then just be like, all right, now
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go to bed at 1130. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it necessarily means raging alcoholic. It's just
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  Speaker 1: one of those events where people tend to get together
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  Speaker 1: and drink a bunch. And you stay up and you
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  Speaker 1: eat food.
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  Speaker 2: Party.
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  Speaker 1: You maybe take some of the ganja.
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  Speaker 2: You put on a mink coat.
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  Speaker 1: You put on a mink coat and you murder a
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  Speaker 1: couple people in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: To celebrate you might you very well could have i
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  Speaker 2: mean it's all it's all about the celebration at this point.
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  Speaker 1: And what better way to celebrate than with a little
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  Speaker 1: double homicide you know alleged i.
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  Speaker 2: Mean well for sure there was a double homicide.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah two people died that's for sure by way of
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  Speaker 1: stabbing we should talk we should tell people what we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about.
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  Speaker 2: You guys saw the title Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, you saw the title, but also if you're listening
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  Speaker 1: to this podcast, you might be like Jeff and you
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  Speaker 1: don't even like sports.
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  Speaker 2: That's not true.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll tell you a little bit about who we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about also, which is Ray Lewis. He's an NFL legend.
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  Speaker 2: He's arguably the greatest defender of all time.
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  Speaker 1: Quite possibly, yeah. Deion Sanders, maybe, but they play different positions.
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  Speaker 1: At their position, probably those two are the greatest of
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  Speaker 1: all time.
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  Speaker 2: And Ray Lewis lasted forever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ray Lewis played a long time in a very violent,
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  Speaker 1: high-contact position on the field. He was a middle linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he has quarterback existence. He exists in the timeline
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  Speaker 2: of a quarterback. And his job is, I mean, his
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  Speaker 2: job and his pastime is essentially murder.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. You have to take that into account.
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  Speaker 1: No matter how religious an NFL player might be, if
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  Speaker 1: he's playing on the defensive side of the ball, his
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  Speaker 1: job is violence and injuring people. And they tend to
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  Speaker 1: kind of revel in that.
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  Speaker 2: Football's a violent sport, bro. You wouldn't know this because
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  Speaker 2: you don't even like sports, but football is very violent, Adam.
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  Speaker 1: It is a very violent sport. It's a very violent
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  Speaker 1: sport that is absolutely rife with very religious people.
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  Speaker 2: Strangely so. I mean, I guess it's, it makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: You get a lot of people, um, the Bible belt
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  Speaker 2: really does produce a lot of high end football players,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the colleges and et cetera, like not a lot,
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  Speaker 2: not a ton of like colleges, like, you know, on
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  Speaker 2: the right side of the civil war have amazing, uh,
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  Speaker 2: football programs. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And Ray Lewis is definitely one of those players. Devoutly
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  Speaker 1: religious and equally devoted to violence on the football field.
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  Speaker 2: And he's somebody that sort of is lauded in the
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  Speaker 2: football community as like this really like fascinating motivational speaker.
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  Speaker 2: But also like if you watch his interviews, it's like
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  Speaker 2: mostly nonsense, but like enthusiastic nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: Very enthusiastic.
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  Speaker 2: Like impassioned nonsense.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And he's generally looked at as a very good guy.
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  Speaker 1: There is a street in Baltimore that used to be
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  Speaker 1: called North Avenue. It's now called Ray Lewis Way. And
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  Speaker 1: that is, at least according to the city, in honor
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  Speaker 1: of his charitable work, which I do believe because if
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  Speaker 1: you want to honor him for his football work, you
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  Speaker 1: could just point to the statue of him that is
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  Speaker 1: outside whatever stadium the Ravens play at. Fucking Ravens Nest Field. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the Wire Stadium or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And he's a devout Christian, like obnoxiously so.
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  Speaker 2: That's like an underline. Like you had to underline obnoxiously so.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to make a weird comparison here. He's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like the DMX of the NFL, where if he
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  Speaker 1: leads the room in prayer, he's definitely going to cry
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  Speaker 1: when he does it. But also there's always that palpable
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  Speaker 1: sense that he might go off the handle and murder someone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty, you know, there's a fascinating, because when
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  Speaker 2: we were going to do this episode, I started looking
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  Speaker 2: up some interviews with them. And like, there's one when
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  Speaker 2: they were going through like the labor strike, I believe
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  Speaker 2: in what, 2010 or something like that, where there's an
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  Speaker 2: interview with Ray Lewis, where at one point in time,
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  Speaker 2: he says, I want you to study the statistics. If
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  Speaker 2: there's no football on Sundays. And see all the evil,
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  Speaker 2: you call it crime, but all the evil that puts
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  Speaker 2: itself out there when there's no football for people to
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  Speaker 2: enjoy on Sundays. And I was like, what the fuck
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  Speaker 2: are you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: What about the rest of the days of the week?
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  Speaker 2: Evil free.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: By those standards, the NFL is just being irresponsible by
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  Speaker 1: only playing two days a week.
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  Speaker 2: They should literally have a rotating cast of evil prevention.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird how they don't tout that more. It's a
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  Speaker 1: very big selling point for the league.
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  Speaker 2: He's an interesting cat because he also was like anti-Kaepernick
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  Speaker 2: taking a knee. I've done too much for the military.
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  Speaker 2: I've done too much for the police. In Baltimore, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like you've done some interesting thing with the police.
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  Speaker 1: He's someone I could definitely see voting for Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, 100%.
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  Speaker 1: He's got big, big Trump energy. That's for sure. And
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  Speaker 1: that's not surprising because I think it's not just... He's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like an evangelical Christian.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be like, I wouldn't be surprised if he bought
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  Speaker 2: into Q. I mean, I doubt it because I doubt
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  Speaker 2: he goes on message boards and shit. But at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, if somebody brought him into the QAnon thing,
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  Speaker 2: he'd be like, yeah, this all makes sense, man.
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  Speaker 1: I could definitely see that. That is one of the scary...
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  Speaker 1: If Ray Lewis stormed the Capitol, if it was just
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  Speaker 1: thousands of Ray Lewises. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: Ray Q-us. Just going in and three-point stance, taking out
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  Speaker 2: some fucking junior congressman from Idaho, getting blasted by three
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  Speaker 2: Ray Lewises.
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  Speaker 1: Just sobbing about his First Amendment rights the whole time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You understand the evil we're trying to prevent. So this
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  Speaker 2: is by the way, the energy that Ray Lewis brings
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  Speaker 2: to life.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: There's a reason we're saying these things is that he
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  Speaker 2: definitely has these, this vibe of like Southern convinced Christian,
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  Speaker 2: like he's convinced of shit.
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  Speaker 1: Right. But he also, like we said, makes a living
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  Speaker 1: doing violence and on the field. And if you even
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  Speaker 1: in interviews, if he's talking about the game itself, all
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  Speaker 1: of that Christian stuff kind of flies out the window
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  Speaker 1: and it's just about, I'm here to hurt people.
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  Speaker 2: He's also anti like regulation in football, which is fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: Like he was like talking about like when college football
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  Speaker 2: was having, um, like with the leading with your head,
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  Speaker 2: And like targeting rules. And he was like, like livid
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  Speaker 2: that they would do. He's like, they're taking these babies
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  Speaker 2: out of the game just for leading with their head.
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  Speaker 2: And he was like, he's really like all about the
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  Speaker 2: violence in football.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if there's anyone we've covered on this podcast
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  Speaker 1: that we could maybe draw some parallels to in that regard,
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  Speaker 1: who possibly is also anti-regulation and also possibly pro killing
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  Speaker 1: a guy oh yeah tony stewart.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah he's the tony stewart of the nfl.
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  Speaker 1: He's got nascar vibes i.
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  Speaker 2: Would also really like to see ray lewis competing in
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  Speaker 2: other football leagues like tony stewart does.
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  Speaker 1: Just showing up at the arena league yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Just blasting some guy that's a fucking cashier at the
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  Speaker 2: goddamn fucking Home Depot.
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  Speaker 1: I would watch every fucking second of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just demolishing that fucking Las Vegas Kiss team that
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  Speaker 2: was existing for a while.
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  Speaker 1: It was Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 2: Was it LA? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I wish we had gone to a game.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad we didn't, but I wish we did. Does
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  Speaker 2: that make sense?
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  Speaker 1: There was a Vice article about it at one point.
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  Speaker 1: And the guy... You can just tell from the article
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  Speaker 1: that it's one of the most insane experiences you could
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  Speaker 1: possibly enjoy. But you can't anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's arena football. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Which I think is completely gone, right? Arena football just.
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  Speaker 2: Even if it's still there, it's not like you're going
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  Speaker 2: to enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Who's going to arenas right now except the entire Midwest? So...
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about what happened with Ray Lewis at the
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  Speaker 1: 2000 Superbowl. And we have to specify the way the
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  Speaker 1: NFL works. When we say the 2000 Superbowl, we mean
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  Speaker 1: the Superbowl that was played at the conclusion of the
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  Speaker 1: 1999 season.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out class of 99.
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  Speaker 3: Woo.
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  Speaker 1: So this game took place on January 30th, 2000 at
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  Speaker 1: the Georgia dome in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 2: And Ray, Georgia Dome, made famous by Ludacris because he
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  Speaker 2: wants to fuck a woman on the 50-yard line.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, of course. That's his fantasy, I do believe, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the Dirty Bird's making it hot.
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  Speaker 1: Ray Lewis did not play in this game. He was
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  Speaker 1: just there to watch and party, which there's nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Just in the rafters. Just watching like Batman.
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  Speaker 1: Fucking hanging like Tom Cruise and mission impossible.
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  Speaker 2: Staring at the game, waiting.
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  Speaker 1: To fucking fall on someone, but still wearing a fucking
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  Speaker 1: white suit with a Stetson. I don't know if you remember,
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  Speaker 1: but this was a great game.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great game starring two teams that nobody cared
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  Speaker 2: about in the Superbowl.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the Rams were kind of a big story because
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  Speaker 1: up to that point, the Rams had been trash for
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  Speaker 1: years and years and years. And then all of a
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: sudden they get their quarterback, who I believe was Trent Green,
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  Speaker 1: gets injured at the beginning of the season. And they
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  Speaker 1: end up signing. And I think his backup got hurt, too.
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  Speaker 1: And they end up signing this quarterback who literally had
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  Speaker 1: been playing in the Arena League and bagging groceries the
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  Speaker 1: week before. And that quarterback ends up being Kurt Warner.
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  Speaker 1: who probably would also make a decent season of this
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  Speaker 1: podcast because that guy's a super duper character.
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  Speaker 2: He's fascinating, dude.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the first really fascinating things about him
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  Speaker 1: was that he came from working at a grocery store
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  Speaker 1: and carried this Rams team to the Super Bowl. That
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  Speaker 1: team was so fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I mean, he was a... I mean, because they
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  Speaker 2: went to the Super Bowl several other times because I
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  Speaker 2: believe the Patriots dynasty started by... dunking on the.
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  Speaker 1: Rams the next season i think was when the patriots
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  Speaker 1: beat the rams.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah kurt warner is a fascinating story it's it is
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  Speaker 2: it was a great super bowl but it is definitely
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  Speaker 2: one of those ones it's it's the rams and the
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  Speaker 2: titans are just places that have all like their teams
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  Speaker 2: that have been like we i guess we got to
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  Speaker 2: go somewhere you know the titans are formerly the oilers
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  Speaker 2: right um the rams are formerly from la This also.
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  Speaker 1: I believe, is the year when the Music City Miracle happened,
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  Speaker 1: which was a playoff game that the Buffalo Bills were
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  Speaker 1: winning and should have won, but they kicked off with
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  Speaker 1: something like 12 seconds left, and all they had to
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  Speaker 1: do was go tackle the guy who caught the kickoff.
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  Speaker 1: And instead, he throws this crazy lateral that probably was
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  Speaker 1: a forward pass, but there was no replay back then.
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  Speaker 1: And the guy who catches the lateral runs it in
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  Speaker 1: for a touchdown, and the Bills were brokenhearted. Once again,
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  Speaker 1: as happens with the Bills all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Which is funny.
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  Speaker 1: It's very funny, yeah. Because it's Buffalo. And, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's basically Canada, so what do we care?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't deserve a fun time.
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  Speaker 1: But the greatest show on turf. That's what this Rams
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  Speaker 1: team was called, and I loved them so much. This
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, though, is one of the classic endings in
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl history. Because it ends... 24-17 or 23-16, one
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  Speaker 1: of the two. So one touchdown margin, basically. And it
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  Speaker 1: ends with Kevin Dyson of the Tennessee Titans on his
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  Speaker 1: way to score that game-tying touchdown, and he gets tackled
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  Speaker 1: by the ankles at the one-yard line as time is
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  Speaker 1: running out. So he was that close.
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  Speaker 2: That is very funny. And yeah, it finished up 23-16. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So you're right.
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  Speaker 1: And had he scored there, the game probably is tied
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  Speaker 1: and goes into overtime. But the real interesting ending is
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  Speaker 1: what happens a few hours later as everyone is doing
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  Speaker 1: all their partying.
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  Speaker 2: Strong Tupac Tyson energy right here.
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  Speaker 1: Very much so. Which... It's interesting. We'll talk about it
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  Speaker 1: more at the end. But this neighborhood where this happens
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  Speaker 1: in Atlanta, it's called Buckhead. And I remember hearing about
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  Speaker 1: this neighborhood in rap songs all the time in the mid-90s,
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  Speaker 1: early 2000s, because that's when Outkast was really popular. And
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  Speaker 1: they would mention Buckhead all the time. And we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about it at the end of the podcast. But this
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  Speaker 1: event really changed that neighborhood forever. I mean, as you
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  Speaker 1: would expect, two people got murdered. in the parking lot
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  Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl. But what happens, basically, Ray Lewis
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  Speaker 1: is at this game just to party. He's wearing an
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  Speaker 1: outfit that night, cream-colored suit, mock-neck sweater, Stetson hat.
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  Speaker 2: It's very Madonna in the video for music vibes, right?
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  Speaker 1: A little bit, yeah. It's like what you would picture
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  Speaker 1: Notorious Big wearing. Picture him right now. He's got a
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  Speaker 1: white suit on, probably.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Ray Lewis is probably like, he's probably like, you
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  Speaker 2: know what? I should be a pimp tonight. That's how
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  Speaker 2: I want to dress. Like, I'm surprised there wasn't like
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  Speaker 2: a long feather, like an ostrich feather in that fucking Stetson.
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  Speaker 1: This was very much the Jay-Z big pimping era. So
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  Speaker 1: that wouldn't have surprised me. It's also the same thing
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  Speaker 1: I'm wearing right now. I can't believe we haven't even
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  Speaker 1: mentioned that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have that Colonel Sanders tie on though. So
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  Speaker 2: it really threw me for a loop.
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  Speaker 1: It's called a bolo, Jeff. Come on, have some respect.
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  Speaker 1: So conveniently, Ray Lewis talked about this incident in his
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  Speaker 1: 2015 book called I Feel Like Going On. And he
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: makes himself out to seem completely guilty and takes all
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  Speaker 1: the blame for everything. Just joking. He doesn't do any
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  Speaker 1: of that.
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  Speaker 2: He very much, you can tell it's like, it's got very,
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  Speaker 2: he's got very guilty energy. Cause he, and he's just like,
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  Speaker 2: that was on me. I was, I made myself a target.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, you are Ray Lewis.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're never a target unless someone has a gun, basically.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, what he implies is he made himself a
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  Speaker 1: target for robbery that night. This is a quote. I
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  Speaker 1: must have been wearing a quarter million dollars, just like
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  Speaker 1: Jesus would want me to. I might attack that last
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  Speaker 1: part about Jesus on myself. But here's the thing. Jesus
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't want him to do that.
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  Speaker 2: No, I do like the idea. I like when men
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  Speaker 2: wear mink because I'm always like, hey, good for you
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  Speaker 2: for also being a bad person.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless it's fake, which it usually is not, especially
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: if you're Ray Lewis rich.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: If it's a fake mink, I like that. That I
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: can get with.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure. Fake fur is a blast.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: But a real fur? No. That's just cruel to quote
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: bare naked ladies. This is another quote, speaking of quotes.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I was way over the top. Way, way over the top.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I get that. I'm sorry. Frankly, I'm a little bit
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: embarrassed about all that now. But this was the mentality.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: And I only mention it here because it became a
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: part of the story. That's him apologizing solely for what
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: he wore that night.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: To be fair, he's right to apologize for that. But
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: not for those reasons. It is funny that he's just like,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: you know, this is just such an embarrassing thing that
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I did. having to get those men murdered.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's talking as if he was the only person
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: who was wearing a quarter million dollars worth of clothing
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: and jewelry that night. We are talking about a party
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta in 2000 after the Super Bowl. I guarantee
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of people were flossed the fuck out
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: that night.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Dude, yeah, there should have been just... You know when
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: you drive by a gas station and there's those guys
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: selling rugs and shit, and they're just like, oh, that's
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: an interesting place to be there. There must have been
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: fur people at every goddamn Sitco station and every Shell
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: station just being like, you want to buy fur? You
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: want to buy fur for the party?
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's absolutely the kind of crowd... Like, Ray
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Lewis isn't... He wasn't at a fucking Friday's, man. He
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: was at a club where NFL players go to be seen.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: So.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: His argument that, oh, I was the one who made
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: myself look all rich and like a target. It doesn't
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: really seem like that's how it started.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: It's literally where the players. play.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Right. Club 112. He might as well have been there.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I believe that's in Atlanta. So, yeah, that's a complicated argument.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: There's no way he was the only rich person in
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: that crowd. And also, by most accounts, this incident starts
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: when they leave. And one of the friends he was with,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Reginald Oakley, he was with two guys, Reginald Oakley and
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Joseph Sweeting. Apparently, Reginald Oakley starts getting into some sort
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: of shouting match with people in the crowd, which that
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: also kind of blows Ray Lewis's theory out of the water.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: And this starts when Oakley gets hit in the head
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: with a champagne bottle.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, champagne with my campaigns. I'm just going to
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: keep threading ludicrous, what's your fantasy lyrics, throughout this whole episode.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, getting hit with a champagne bottle,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that's reason to fight.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: You're going to want to get some get back in
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: a situation like that. So this altercation breaks out between
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the three of them and two men, 24-year-old Richard Lawler,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and 21-year-old Jacinthe Baker.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I would like to add, by the by, that three-on-two
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: is already not a great setup. Three-on-two when one of
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: them is Ray Lewis?
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also crazy to think about how young everyone
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: involved in this was. Ray Lewis, despite the fact that
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: he has been 50 years old his entire life, was
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: only 24 when this happened.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Really.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: It's hard to picture Ray Lewis ever having been 24. Yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Cause he, no, he's, he definitely has like 50 year old,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: like Deacon uncle vibes.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: He comes off like an authority figure.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: He probably, you know what? I bet he's a lot.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: He fucking loves that Sheriff Clark fucking wearing Stetsons and
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: loving cops.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, I bet. This is another quote from Ray Lewis.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Point is, when you're dressed like that, you're off to
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the sidelines. And here were these gangbangers stepping to us
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: from the shadows. Again, that's not how people say it happened.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: He's saying it like there were werewolves showing up to
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: attack him in the middle of the night. I didn't
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: know it would be a full moon. But luckily I
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: had all this silver. I had this silver knife with me.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Like they were walking home alone in a dangerous neighborhood
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: or something. This was like an entire crowd of people
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: letting out at bar time.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: And you are a six foot five monster of a human.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Just a giant. Just a giant.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: A bundle of springy rage. He's designed to spring into
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: action to clobber you to death. And the only reason
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: you don't die is because you're both wearing pads.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing, Jeff. He doesn't fight. That's his defense.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Because a melee breaks out between this group. And in
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: that melee, Baker was stabbed in the liver and in
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the heart. Lawler was stabbed five times. Twice in the heart,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: twice in the abdomen, and once in the chest. Both
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: of them died before they reached the hospital. Ray Lewis
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: claims that during all of this, he was just casually...
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: leaning against the 40 foot black limousine that had arrived
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: to pick him up, watching it all happen. His quote,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I don't fight, period. Yeah, you do. Yeah, I think
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: he might.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I understand that they, I know that like
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: in the NFL, they do classes on shit like this.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Like they have symposiums about like behavior and like what
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: not to do. But like nobody follows that. You've seen
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: HBO original series Ballers, you know.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I have, starring John David Washington. Denzel's kid.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: So it was only, at least according to some accounts,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: when Ray Lewis saw these two men collapse in the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: street that he really starts freaking out. And the first
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: thing he does is order everyone who's with him, including
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the two men and the woman he was with, who
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: was not his pregnant fiance. She was at home. He
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: had met a woman named Jessica Robertson a few days earlier,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and she was his date for the Super Bowl. Because
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: you don't want a pregnant woman cramping your style at
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: an event like that.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: No, that's not fun.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Especially one that you are engaged to.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's going to be all, get me stuff and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: help me get to places. And it's like, lady, this
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: is the Super Bowl.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Stop it. Don't do a murder. It's like, fucking stop
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: stepping on my good time.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Everyone gets to do one murder in the NFL.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: It's the Super Bowl, man.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: That's where Aaron Hernandez fucked up. He killed more than
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: one person.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. You get one per Super Bowl and
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: he went bananas, man.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Got to keep it in check. So as they drove away,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: for starters, can you imagine you've just pulled off Whether
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: it was a murder or just a fight that ended
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: in someone dying, can you imagine that happened and now
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: your getaway vehicle is a 40-foot long black limousine?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a fun chase.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Just blend into traffic.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Blend into traffic. Having Popeye Doyle chasing you down while
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: you're cruising in a 40-foot limousine.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: No officer must have been another 40-foot black limousine.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I love that this has 70s movie villain energy. It
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: has like blaxploitation villain energy where you would 100% see
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: this scene in like Superfly or some shit. John Shaft
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: chasing down a fucking black limousine going down after it
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: killed some kids in his neighborhood.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So they drive away. And as they drive away,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: speaking of movie shit, someone opens fire on the limousine
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and flattens one of the tires.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: That is very cool.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's like you, you know, firing
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a gun into a car, probably not smart, but like, man,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: that's cool.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not nice, but it's cool. It's like when
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: a hawk carries a cat off into the sky.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. That's neat to watch.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, no. Oh, wow.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I don't see that every day.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: That's a strong eagle.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: According to limo driver Dwayne Fassett, as they were leaving
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: the scene, Lewis demanded everyone in the car just shut
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the fuck up. And it's implied that he was referring
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to talking to police about the crime. But he might
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: have also, people might have just been fussing. And he
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, shut the fuck up.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I think I hear something. I hear evil outside of
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the car. Those are bullets. Those are bullets outside of
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the car. Also, you've picked the biggest target for getting
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: shot of a vehicle. It's a 40-foot limousine. You gotta
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: be a bad shot to miss that. Yeah, you ain't
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: a Miata.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: The limo driver also said he heard Oakley and Sweeting
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: bragging about having stabbed the two men police found blood
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: belonging to the victims inside the limousine and inside Ray
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Lewis's hotel room. But by the time they arrived at
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: that room, he'd fled to his fiance's family home.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I like that. Now he calls up the fiance.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Hey, yeah.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Hey, I need you to hide out. Me and my
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: girlfriend got into some trouble.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, he does send his girlfriend back to the hotel,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Jessica Robertson to one, uh, burn a photo that she
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: had taken of the three of them that night and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: also to gather up everything that he had at the hotel.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Was she taking uh photos with like a polaroid.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: It it would have to be like.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Where did they one hour photo that shit in between
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: in the club she's like oh my my kodak disposable
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: camera from 2000 is is it's out let's hold on
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: i gotta go to the right aid And get this
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: thing one hour photo printed.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking about that too. It had to
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: be a Polaroid. 2000, we didn't really have camera phones then.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: It's a great year for Polaroids.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: 2000.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: So, according to police, Lewis' cell phone was unusually active
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: right after Baker and Lawler were killed. Several eyewitnesses reported
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: people exiting the limo with what looked like a laundry bag,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: which they threw in a dumpster.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I would want to see what's in that. A laundry
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: bag in a dumpster is going to be from a
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: limo is filled with either evidence or vomit.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Those are the two options for limo garbage.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: In this case, probably both.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: A little bit of both.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: So it's going to be some nerves that might lead
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to some vomit in the back of that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Let me just shut the fuck up.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I got to vomit.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I got to vomit all the evils out of me.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: And that's the big mystery in all of this. Ray
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Lewis is adamant that he wore that cream colored suit
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: with a matching Stetson and turtleneck sweater home that night
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: or to the hotel that night, but that it somehow
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: went missing. And that includes the mink coat he was
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: wearing that night.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Hard to misplace a crisp, cream-colored suit in Stetson.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Especially when you take into account that the other two
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: people he was with that night also somehow lost their clothes.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: What happens in Atlanta?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: So the obvious... Maybe it was hot. The obvious suspicion
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: there is that Ray Lewis threw his bloody suit in
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: a dumpster. And police never found it, which, why not?
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: How fast did that dump? get emptied that police couldn't
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: get to it and get that suit?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Did someone like find the clothes and they're like wearing
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: it around?
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could sell that for quite a bit
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of money on the sports memorabilia market, I'm sure.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Or to one of those like murder museums.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Zach Bagans' Haunted Mansion in Las Vegas.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: You have two different, you know, that's good. You know
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: what that has? Cross-cultural appeal.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: That's right. It's going to bring in the sports fans
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: and the murder fans.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a lot of goths wearing Ray
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Lewis jerseys after this.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: The suit thing is the craziest detail to me. I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: think it's the craziest detail to everyone because he's obviously lying.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I think the craziest detail is the murder part.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Well, the murder. Yeah. Yeah. But that the smoking gun
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: evidence in this is a cream colored suit with a
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: matching Stetson that is just probably caked in blood.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Just I would love to see like they're walking by like,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: you know, that movie trope where somebody walks by and
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: there's like a guy like warming his hands over a
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: garbage fire. But he's wearing like the Ray Lewis suit.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: That he found in a dumpster. Nice suit.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: So this, obviously, with all of this evidence, Ray Lewis
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: and his friends faced a lot of legal ramifications for this.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Just joking. They were arrested. The three of them were
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: all arrested days after this happened. And they end up
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: going on trial. But during that trial, one, they're never
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: able to find Ray Lewis's suit, which is a hindrance
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: to the prosecution.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: That's the problem, yeah.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: And also the star witness, who was the limo driver,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Dwayne Fassett, ends up recanting his story and saying he
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: can't quite remember what was said in the car that night,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: which I'm sure is completely on the up and up.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: And we won't someday find out he has $ 1. 8 million
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: in an offshore account in Barbados or something.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: He's got his own fleet.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: He's got the whites. He did it just for the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: white suit.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's got an autographed Stetson. That's like his fucking
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: limo logo. Yeah. Bloody Stetson limo service.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Shows up on Antiques Roadshow with it.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: So this was done in a murder. It's autographed here.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: You could see.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: So as a result of that, Ray Lewis was able
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: to strike a deal where all other charges were dropped
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: in exchange for him. One, pleading guilty to a charge
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: of obstruction of justice, and two, testifying against his two friends.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: What a guy. What a guy.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Ray Lewis, the official mascot of snitching.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: He was Tekashi69 before we even knew who that guy was.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Which is funny that he's obstructing justice while snitching.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: That is strange.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, man. Maybe just do the
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: whole thing. I mean, you're already there.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: On the bright side, though, at least for his two friends...
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is actually a bright side,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: but Oakley and Sweeting were acquitted after entering a plea
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: of self-defense. And here's the thing. We're saying a lot
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: of stuff about Ray Lewis killed a guy, but this
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: is kind of different from the Tony Stewart thing.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Ray Lewis got a nice assist. He's like the John
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Stockton of murdering a guy.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: He got an assist, and we really don't know how
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: much of this was self-defense. Because there was obviously an altercation,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and if Oakley got hit in the head with a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: champagne bottle first, then, I mean, those two were probably
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: kind of the aggressor. And I feel like if Ray
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Lewis wasn't involved, no one would think anything of of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: this being self-defense.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of it comes down to how
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Ray Lewis handled the situation being a person in the
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: public eye. You know, yeah, probably was self-defense. Like, let's
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: be honest. But also, you know, we're talking about killing
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: a person. We're not saying, hey, Ray Lewis committed a
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: cold-blooded murder. It's like, no, but he definitely may have
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: killed a guy or assisted in killing a guy.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if it's self-defense... You should kind of be
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: able to just hang around and wait for the police
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: to show up and be like, self-defense, man.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, to be fair, a group of wealthy black
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: men in Atlanta might be a little wary of the police.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Did something happen? They're racist. Oh. Oh, yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I guess I didn't even think about that.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, the police are racist.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: So when we wonder why this didn't derail Ray Lewis's career,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: that's why he got off. He was found like he
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: went through the justice system. Yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing as Michael Vick. Like Michael Vick
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: did his time. He went through the justice system and
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: he came out the other end and it was able
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: to resume his career.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I would say that there are some staunch differences because, um, Uh, well,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I'd say that, uh, Michael Vick, uh, went to jail.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Ray Lewis went to jail. Briefly.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: He was like held.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: He, well, he, no, he was in jail for a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: few weeks.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: And also, um, I would like to say that Ray Lewis, uh,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: versus Michael Vick, uh, Michael Vick made the mistake of
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: not being involved in the murder of a person.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Wow, you're really, you're really going to go to, go
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: to the technicalities right out of the gate.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Huh?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Well, like people were, you know, like, uh, Ray Lewis
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: was simply involved in the murder of two human beings,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: which is fine, which is why we forgive him. But
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Ray Lewis made the mistake of killing dogs. And so he,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: white women will never love the Philadelphia Eagles. Right.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: After that.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. Yeah. I don't know. It's, People
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: wanted Ray Lewis's career to be over because of this.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: It seemed like, but I mean, you know.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Only people in the AFC East. Nobody, nobody really like,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I remember it being like, not that big of a deal.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Like who wanted, who demanded his career be over Rick
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Riley and that's it.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ben Roethlisberger, and we're like, no, we want him
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: to kill you next.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben Roethlisberger's like, Ray Lewis is stopping me from
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: committing all sorts of sexual assaults. Let me tell you,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: the AFC in 2000, y'all can hate the Patriots all
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: you want, but.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think Roethlisberger was playing by that point, though.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I'm conflating some different areas. 2000, he's still playing right now. Oh, yeah.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Who's that, Cordell Stewart?
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Probably. Tom Brady was playing by 2000.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: So it's not like there were zero ramifications, Jeff. Let
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: me tell you about some of the things Ray Lewis
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: had to endure.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Must've been hard.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Some of the things Jesus had to see him through
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: in the days following this, which here's the thing. He
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: was asked about this years and years and years later
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: in an interview and asked whether he regretted it. And
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: he was like, no, it made me the person I am. So,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: you know, like what?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: You already about christ and in the nfl like what
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: more did you.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Get what a crazy fucking answer.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: No i don't regret the murder.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: The following season though finally justice was served because one
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the ravens won the superbowl and ray lewis was named
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: superbowl mvp but jeff i know you remember for the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: longest time and i don't think this even happens anymore
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: but at the end of the superbowl camera crew would
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: run up to the super bowl mvp and say hey
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: tom brady you just won the super bowl what are
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: you going to do next and they would say i'm
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: going to disneyland but here's the thing.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Jeff yeah oh yeah.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Ray lewis didn't get to say i'm going to disneyland
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: oh no simply because he was involved in a possible
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: murder in atlanta season prior trent dilfer was allowed to
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: say I'm going to Disneyland.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Professional player to be named later, Trent Dilfer. Man, shout
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: out to Baltimore quarterbacks for getting a lot of credit
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: for all of the work that the Baltimore defense does.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I love when a shitty team or when a shitty
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: quarterback wins a Super Bowl. That always kind of makes
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: me happy.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a team effort.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Like even when Rex Grossman just took the Bears to
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Like, look what our shitty quarterback did
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: that your quarterback can't do.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what we thought with Tom Brady in
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the beginning. We're like, look at this guy taking over
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: for Drew Bledsoe. And now we're like, oh, Drew Bledsoe
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: may have been holding us back.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was this is the same era when all
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: that happened to a little less dramatic. There was no
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady didn't murder Drew Bledsoe. I mean, he murdered
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: his hopes and dreams.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Drew Bledsoe. I think people started to realize that Drew
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Bledsoe plays football like a mummy. Where he just kind
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: of stands there and hopes he doesn't get murdered while
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: he's figuring out who to throw to.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Ray Lewis has a fantastic quote about... being snubbed from
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the i'm going to disneyland moment here goes i wasn't
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: going there anyway i have kids who were not going
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: to let me go to disney world they wanted to
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: see me which implies that he would have gone to
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: disney world by himself and left his kids at home.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Just ray lewis going to disney world like alone sitting
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: on like it's a small world and shit i love
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: it so much. Just in the Pirates of the Caribbean
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: being like, look at all the evil that they show here.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: There's so much evil. You call it crime. You call
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: it crime, but it's evil.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Taking pictures for his kids and having his girlfriend burn them.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: By the way, they held the Giants to seven points
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: that Super Bowl. Like Ray Lewis deserved that MVP.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I also remember it being one of the most
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: cripplingly boring Super Bowls of all time for that exact reason.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Well, blowouts are always boring.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I hate it so much. He was also left off
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: the Ravens commemorative Wheaties box the next year, which that's
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: got to sting a little bit.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: That's okay because my kids don't like me eating wheat.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: That was the year of, that halftime show was fucking awesome,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: by the way. Is that the one they won?
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Is that the Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Aerosmith one?
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Yep, where Nelly showed up in the double jersey. Yeah.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Mary J. Blige was there.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: That was a very good halftime show.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: That was a rad as fuck halftime show.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: And people, because it was Britney Spears, people acted like
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: they hated it. It's like, get over yourselves.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I love when they're like, we have a pop star
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: doing the halftime show. And all these football fans are like, well,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: since when are we inviting pop stars to the Super Bowl?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: And it's like, literally forever.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Since the... Early 90s at best.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, just because millions of people enjoy it? Why can't
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: we put ZZ Top in there?
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I'd fuck with the ZZ Top halftime show.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: ZZ Top is drastically underrated in the annals of rock
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: and roll history, by the way.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I saw them in concert in 2013 just by chance.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I was at a music festival and they were one
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: of the headlining acts. And I was like, yeah, I
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: guess I'll go see ZZ Top. Oh my God, it
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: was so much fun.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: They have like all of their songs are like about
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: like getting and then appreciating sex or like, or like
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: how to look cool. And like, that's fucking, that's such
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: rock and roll to me.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: And then they covered a song. I still, to this day,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: don't know if they realize this. They covered a song
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: called 25 lighters where the guy says, I got 25
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: lighters on my dresser. Yes, sir. That is 150% a
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: song about selling crack.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I would think so.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: And ZZ Top covered it, and their cover is spectacular.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I would say that I would fuck with, like, if
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: somebody was like, hey, do you want to pay $ 30
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: to watch ZZ Top do just cheap sunglasses twice and
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: then leave? I'd be like, yep.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why not?
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I absolutely want to see that.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: So don't worry, people. Ray Lewis did eventually get his
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: endorsement career back on track. It took a long, long time.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: But by 2005, he was on the cover of Madden,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: and things were mostly back to normal.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Roughly three years.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: When you talk about like the process of the decision,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: they put him on Madden this year. That's the year
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: that the Madden curse was actually retroactive.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's when the Madden curse started taking out people
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: around the athlete also.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: It was like a pig pen cloud of curse because
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: he was fine. He didn't get cursed, right?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of those things where it's like, he
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: survived a fucking murder rap. Madden ain't coming after him.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: It is funny, though, that throughout the rest of his career,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sure even when he made the Madden cover, every
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: single time something Ray Lewis related happened, there would be
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: articles about the fact that he maybe killed a guy
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: That should kind of float around him. Of course.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Like, it's a cloud that should follow you because- If
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: for nothing else, how many athletes are going to clubs
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and partying all the time and not having this happen?
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Eddie Murphy's girl, for example, she wants to party all
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: the time. Never murdered anybody.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: All the time.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Although Rick James was a producer of that, so a
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: murder probably happened.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: He probably murdered that girl. So he reached a settlement
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: with the family, which I think you would expect. He
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: paid them off. And I don't want to say paid
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: them off. That makes it sound like they were just
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: in it for money. But they were never going to
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: really get any other form of justice. So I'm assuming
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: they filed a civil suit at some point.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: And that civil suit, cream colored.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: And covered in blood and in a dumpster somewhere. He's
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: also in the Hall of Fame. Ray Lewis is in
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame now. We can't let Barry Bonds
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: in for tacking a few steroid years onto his already
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame career, but Ray Lewis can almost maybe
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: have killed a guy.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Murder don't fuck with your stats.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Sports writers are like, oh no, the murder helped me.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it makes sense that Ray Lewis
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: should be in the Hall of Fame.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, here's the question. Here's where it really comes
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: down to. Michael Vick. See?
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Do you think he'll make it?
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Michael Vick, for me, it's not even the dogfighting thing.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: It just was Michael Vick. He was good.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: He did lose a couple of seasons.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. The Hall of Fame is complicated.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: The Baseball Hall of Fame, that's probably a bad comparison anyway.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: When Hank Aaron died recently, there was talk about when
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: he got inducted into the Hall of Fame. And there's
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: never been a unanimous ballot Hall of Famer. No one
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: has ever gotten all of the votes, I believe.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Mariano Rivera?
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Did he? I don't know.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I think he might have.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: But Hank Aaron did not. And they were like, who,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: who were you? Who, who were you? 8% of sports
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: writers who decided Hank Aaron did not deserve to be
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: in the hall of fame. And there's only one reason
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: why you would think that it's because you're a fucking
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: racist piece of shit.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah. Mariano Rivera, the first player ever unanimously voted
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: into the baseball hall.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: So by that point, by the point, Hank Aaron.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Yes. Oh yeah.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Mariano Rivera got it. Like, uh, like, In 2019 or
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Hooray, progress. Anyway, Ray Lewis is in the Hall of Fame.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Good for him. Something else that effectively died that night,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: as we talked about a little bit earlier, is the
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: neighborhood this happened in. It was, at the time, Atlanta
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: was this up-and-coming area where all of these young professional types,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: rich people, were just flocking to Atlanta.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: It's where the players play.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: It's where the players play.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: And.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: This particular neighborhood, Buckhead, where this club they were at,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: which was called the Cobalt, was like the party spot
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta at the time. But it had also started
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to sort of get a reputation for fights and drugs
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: and crime and, you know, the things that were happening
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: in mid-90s to 2000s American cities in their party spots.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: But this incident kind of killed that neighborhood. because people
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: were already on edge about the things that had been
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: happening there. And then once Ray Lewis definitely did not
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: stab two people in the parking lot of the cobalt
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: police and city council swung in, put all these extra
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: regulations in place. Cobalt was closed within seven months and
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: most of the other bars around it closed a few
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: years later. So Ray Lewis murdered nightlife in Atlanta. And
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: to this day, There's nothing to do in that city.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: No, it's a dead city.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Past 9 p.m.? Might as well fucking drive to Athens.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: You should drive to Athens, though.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Athens is great. I did a show there. It was wonderful.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: They put me on the marquee. It was great.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Athens.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Athens was fun. I've never been to Atlanta.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: You Greek bitch city.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Never been to Atlanta except for the airport.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I heard the food's fantastic. I bet.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I had good pizza in Athens. So anyway, Ray Lewis
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: did not murder a guy. Ray Lewis simply leaned against
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: a limousine while his two friends maybe stabbed a couple guys.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: And they did it in self-defense, Jeff. And that is
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: the decision of the courts.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Welcome to Atlanta, where the players die. Where the players
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: get off.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: So that leads, I think, to a really obvious question,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: which with the Super Bowl happening this weekend... Let's do
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: some predictions. Who's going to get murdered?
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Whoever is trying to go after Tom Brady.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to put my money on The Weeknd. He's
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: doing the halftime show, and that guy seems like a
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: loose cannon. I could see him pulling some shit and
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: getting in an alter case and getting stabbed by Ray Lewis.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: People will be like, is that The Weeknd, the guy
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: from Uncut Gems? Exactly.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: God, that's a good movie.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: That's such a fucking great movie.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: So stressful.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I've watched it like four times. And every time I'm like,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: why am I doing this?
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I told you when I saw him backstage at Conan,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, I am salivating to see this
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: fucking movie.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: It was so goddamn good.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Just show me it. Show me the movie, Adam.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: So good.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: So good.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: But, uh. that's our episode yeah we we're done we
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: did it we did it we did a sport we
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: did a sport thing i swear we're gonna get to
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: that that soccer season here real soon.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: But researching soccer is like watching soccer.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah i watched a documentary about that dude the other
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: night and i fell asleep about halfway through but i
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: might have just been tired i mean i was obviously
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: tired i fell asleep but.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: As soon as scenes of soccer hit, you're like, ah.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I can't do it. Yeah, I instinctively fall asleep. But
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: we'll get to it. In the meantime, do we have
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: anything to plug? Before we get out of here?
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: I think we do.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Jeff?
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: We do. Sideshow Sideshow is every other Tuesday through Sideshow Collectibles.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: You can check that out. Also, every Tuesday on Sideshow,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I have my live show, Unsealed and Revealed, and that
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: is at 10 a.m. Pacific Standard Time across all of
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: their social media, including YouTube. You can check out Tom
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: and Jeff Watch Batman on Wednesdays on the Gamefully Unemployed Network.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: And also, Adam, Todd Brown doesn't like sports.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I know you don't like sports.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: That is true.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have anything. Follow me on Twitter and
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Instagram at AdamToddBrown. Let's get the fuck out of here.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Jeff, say goodbye. You get the Ray Lewis may have
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: killed a guy rookie card. Goodbye, everybody. We killed you.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Bye. Sorry for killing you.