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The killing fields of Nigeria · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Hello, and welcome to Don't Imbibe the Pool
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  Aid.
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  I'm Kim Kennedy, and I'm today's host of
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  the program.
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  Always so glad that you're with us, listeners,
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  and uh we're delighted to be a part
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  of the America Out Loud Radio Network.
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  And um, we're always looking to bring to
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  you interesting conversations that are relevant, that are
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  interesting, and a lot of times um talking
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  to people and hearing about things that don't
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  get the attention that they should uh, I
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  think in the uh right sided uh media.
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  And today is no exception exception.
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  We're welcoming Mike Arnold to the program.
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  He's the author of a book called Epicenter
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  Nigeria, Radical Islam and the War for Global
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  Order.
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  He's a former mayor, serial entrepreneur, and global
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  strategist who has spent the last six years
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  embedded on the front lines of one of
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  the world's most suppressed atrocities, the Nigerian genocide.
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  Mike, good evening, and welcome to the program,
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  or I should say good day, and welcome
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  to the program.
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  How are you?
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  We're so glad that you're with us today.
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  Thank you so much.
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  It's so nice to be here with you.
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  You know, as I was reading that um
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  opening, it occurs to me that uh many
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  people will wonder what do you mean by
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  the genocide in Nigeria?
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  Uh what how would you respond to that?
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  Well, it's one of the the uh worst
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  secrets on on the planet today, just in
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  the last 15 years, uh, more than 120,000
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  Christians have been slaughtered in the nation of
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  Nigeria.
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  It's systematic, it's ongoing.
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  And that's just the latest chapter in a
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  genocide, uh a conquest jihad that's been taking
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  place since the early 1800s to today.
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  Uh, the same throne, the same ideology, the
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  same bloodline, the same pattern, the whole uh
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  jihad's been taking place, it's genocide.
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  Uh, and if you look at it in
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  historical terms, it's about six million people that
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  have been killed by this genocide.
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  Uh, it's the longest ongoing genocide on the
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  face of the earth today.
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  And uh, how many years uh would you
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  say that's been going on?
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  Well, it started like we can get into
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  the the history of it.
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  Uh started with the founding of the caliphate,
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  the Sokoto Caliphate in 1804, a warlord named
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  Usman Dan Fodio.
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  Um created the largest pre-colonial empire in Africa,
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  northern Nigeria.
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  Uh killed uh at the establishment of it,
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  about 250,000 people, beheadings, displacement, destruction, like you
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  see the same pattern, uh, took over a
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  large, large area.
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  Um, that same caliphate is still in control,
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  the same throne.
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  That man's 20th generation blood air still sits
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  on that throne.
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  It's never been undone.
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  It's it's been rebranded, uh, but it's still
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  ongoing and it's been globalized.
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  So now they uh intend to use Nigeria
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  as a launch pad for global jihad.
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  So it's a dangerous uh place for us
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  if we don't nip it in the bud.
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  And um there was a lot of denial
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  about this for those uh organizations and those
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  people who were reporting on Nigeria again.
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  Some of the press in America uh didn't
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  want to deal with this, but it has
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  been proven, and you played a part in
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  that.
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  Can you tell us how that worked out?
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  Well, yeah.
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  I uh so I've been going to Nigeria
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  since 2010.
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  Mission work.
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  Uh, and uh fell in love with the
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  place.
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  But before I went, I couldn't have found
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  it on a map.
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  I was just tagging along and and um
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  didn't know the difference between Nigeria and Ghana
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  or Swaziland, or just an African country.
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  Nigeria is the sixth largest nation on earth,
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  and it's on track to be the third
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  largest by 2050.
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  It's one of the top five members of
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  OPEC, one of the top oil exporting nations
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  on Earth.
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  It has about a trillion dollars, a thousand
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  billion dollars in mineral reserves uh that China
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  is looting now and paying the jihadis.
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  They produce more movies every year than Hollywood,
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  and you've watched them, you know, on streaming,
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  you just don't even realize it.
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  They the music dominates the streaming chart.
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  It's this massive country that's going to be
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  more influential as time goes on as their
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  youthful population grows.
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  So it's it's very significant.
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  We have to know about this place.
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  Uh so I went there for um from
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  2010 to 2019, 10 mission trips.
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  There were violence, you know, you'd hear about
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  taking place, uh there'd be an out you
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  know, one incident here or there.
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  Uh, but it was largely suppressed.
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  In 2019, I stumbled into a lack of
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  a better term, a concentration camp of Christians
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  that have been displaced in the middle of
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  the Capitol, sewage ditches, shanties.
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  Horrible.
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  Uh and I heard I met the genocide
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  face to face, heard their stories of of
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  survival, uh, what they witnessed the trauma.
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  Uh amazing stories, uh, and how they made
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  it to this place, government told them to
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  stay, gave them nothing, and now tells them
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  that tells the world they don't exist.
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  So I got drawn into this uh uh
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  unwittingly.
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  Um and uh couldn't let go.
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  So I've been back six times since then,
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  uh, been trying to raise awareness.
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  Uh in October of last year, the government
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  of Nigeria was starting to catch some heat.
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  People were starting to become aware.
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  They invited me over for lack of a
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  better term to be the Jane Fonda of
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  Nigeria.
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  They wanted me to come and and they
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  set up a PR tour and then uh
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  do a press conference and tell the world
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  that no, there's nothing happening here.
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  I don't know why they called me.
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  I think God befuddled their mind.
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  Uh I went.
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  Uh I was told they might kill me
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  if I did what I was planning.
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  I was told there was a good chance
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  of that.
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  I updated my will.
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  I had a farewell dinner with my kids
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  before I got on the plane.
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  Um, but I went and did their little
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  tour.
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  Um, went to the press conference, and I
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  was in front of the global media.
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  I indicted them for genocide.
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  And dropped a report.
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  They the Nigerian Senate the same day converted
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  convened an emergency meeting to respond.
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  Um, and uh within two weeks, Trump had
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  uh gotten it heavily involved, and they say
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  that was the reason was because of that
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  press conference and the the narrative shift that
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  came about as a result.
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  Was that was that a live press conference?
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  Because I understand, didn't you catch the attention
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  of President Trump with that?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, what it wasn't live.
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  What it wasn't live, what it what caught
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  What caught his attention wasn't me personally.
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  his attention wasn't me personally.
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  It was that press conference um got more
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  It was that press conference um got more
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  than three billion global impressions in 72 hours.
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  than three billion global impressions in 72 hours.
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  It time stopped in Nigeria.
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  It time stopped in Nigeria.
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  Everything, everybody, that's all anybody would talk about.
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  Everything, everybody that's all anybody would talk about.
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  I'm now the most famous American in Nigeria.
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  I'm now the most famous American in Nigeria.
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  Headlines literally every day.
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  Headlines literally every day.
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  I mean it's crazy.
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  I'm gonna it's crazy.
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  Um the narrative flipped almost overnight globally, from
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  Um the narrative flipped almost overnight globally, from
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  70% denial to 80% or 80% denial, 70%
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  70% denial to 80% 80% denial, 70% affirmation
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  of genocide, just like that.
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  affirmation of genocide, just like that.
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  And that's what got Trump.
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  And that's what got Trump uh to jump
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  in was that narrative flip.
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  I don't know if he knows my name,
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  but he knows what happened.
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  Uh you know.
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  Well, it Mike, it's it sounds like the
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  president was unaware until he heard from you.
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  Would that be correct?
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  Um, um there he had there was in
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  September last year.
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  Uh Bill Maher and Ted Cruz started talking
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  about Nigeria and the Christian genocide there.
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  So it was starting to bubble up.
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  Uh Trump had indicated he was looking into
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  it.
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  And so that's why the uh Nigerian government
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  started to panic, and that's why they wanted
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  to whitewash it.
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  And I was called by uh a man
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  who's now an ambassador, and the national security
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  advisor of Nigeria, the ones who called me
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  to come come do this press conference.
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  Why you?
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  Why did he call you?
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  That's a good question.
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  Um, I had been the probably the leading
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  researcher on this for the last several years
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  since 2019.
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  I've met some uh historic people, uh, statesmen,
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  you know, retired presidents, Catholic cardinal, uh, quite
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  a few people that are very high level
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  there.
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  I've also been to the front lines.
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  A couple of my trips have been level
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  four do not travel, uh, which is the
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  highest level of warning, it's combat zone.
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  Uh would go and use hidden cameras.
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  There was times we were uh at risk
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  of being uh arrested and tortured.
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  I mean, it was it we've been in
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  there, and we we had the credibility.
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  Um I don't know why they thought I
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  would play along.
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  Again, I think God befuddled their mind.
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  I had the stature to, you know, and
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  the reputation there is as a credible person.
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  Uh I was a mayor here in the
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  United States also.
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  They they go for those titles.
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  Uh they just thought I would be their
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  stooge.
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  I don't I don't, you know, it was
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  a bad mistake on their part.
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  I told the truth, but they tried to
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  bribe me and all that, but uh, you
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  know, uh, I just you know, God called
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  me to go and I I went and
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  I told the truth.
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  And you followed his leading uh to tell
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  the world the truth of what was going
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  on there.
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  We'll get into that in one of our
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  later segments.
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  Um, it's not easy listening, but people need
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  to hear for uh many different reasons.
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  Um, but that was not your first trip.
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  You have been on mission trips, what, 15,
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  16 times previously?
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  Yes, ma'am.
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  I've been to Nigeria a total of 16
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  times.
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  That that press conference trip last October was
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  the 16th time.
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  And are you still uh going back there?
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  Uh Mike, do you still go back and
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  visit and I there's no way I can.
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  Um so it's a very brutal regime.
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  Uh it's it's it's a caliphate controlled regime,
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  and uh it it can be a dark
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  and brutal place.
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  I I've been name checked publicly by the
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  president of Nigeria.
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  I've been called out by the Sultan, the
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  the head of the caliphate, pope and king
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  to 108 million Muslims, he's called me out
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  online.
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  And the the imam to Boko Haram, the
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  the spiritual figure, he was the the spiritual
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  advisor to the underwear bomber, a guy that
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  was rejected, he tried to go to Saudi
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  Arabia last year on Hajj, and they wouldn't
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  let him into the country because he's too
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  radical.
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  He he repeatedly calls me out online.
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  I I have to carry a gun even
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  here in Texas, uh, and I've been told
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  that from the highest levels.
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  Interesting that you say Texas because Texas has
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  been targeted by the Islamists.
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  And uh I was wondering if you could
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  share a little bit of what's happening in
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  Texas.
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  We need to know about this because we
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  learned uh just recently that Mamdami is allowing
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  Sharia law in New York City.
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  Um Texas.
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  There's a fight, and in context, um, yeah,
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  in Nigeria, which it's it's amazing.
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  And I my book's called Epicenter because so
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  much springs from there.
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  It is the headquarters now for ISIS Al-Qaeda.
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  It it our government calls it the epicenter
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  of global terror.
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  Uh it's the epicenter of Chinese looting.
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  Uh it's the epicenter of global jihad.
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  Um, and seeing it there where the north
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  is solid Islam, Sharia law, the south is
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  is vibrant entrepreneurial Christian.
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  You see Islam operate in both worlds.
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  The same characters in the north that call
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  these terrorists brothers and sons, go to the
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  south and and smile and nod and act
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  like Mandami.
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  It's the same people, and you see it
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  the way it works.
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  It's the same playbook that Mohammed used for
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  1400 years.
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  They've done the exact same thing.
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  If you read the Quran, he goes into
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  Medina as the downtrodden um uh you know,
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  the the outcast, the the the uh minority,
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  and and plays victim and gets other victim
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  groups and disparate groups together to to become
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  a power base.
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  They take over and then they kill everybody.
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  Uh that's what they've done for 1400 years.
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  They're the playbook is crystal clear, and they're
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  doing it here in the United States.
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  It's never been stopped in the history of
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  the world without a war.
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  Anywhere it's taken root in 1400 years, it's
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  never been stopped without a war.
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  And they're they're getting pretty strongly embedded in
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  the United States, and Texas is one of
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  their top spots they're aiming for.
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  Um and they've just it's come to light
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  that the that the state of Texas, the
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  comp troller's office has spent more than four
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  billion dollars of state money building mosques and
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  Muslim community centers in Texas.
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  Uh, this is a problem.
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  And so it's it's becoming a top of
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  mind awareness issue.
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  Politicians are running on it now, and we're
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  we're gaining ground.
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  I I pray that we can turn it
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  back for the first time in history without
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  a war.
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  Uh, but uh people need to wake up
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  and realize what's happening.
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  You're right.
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  You're absolutely right.
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  Um, and it cannot be stressed enough to
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  Americans that their own book, the Quran says,
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  you know, basically, whatever it takes to take
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  over, lie, cheat, deceive, do it.
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  Yeah, you know, it's not a book of
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  high morals or principles.
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  And so how they present themselves is not
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  at all what they are.
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  Uh can you speak to that?
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  Yeah, it's absolutely called Takia.
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  Uh it's the Muslim principle.
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  Again, they're people need to realize they're just
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  following the footsteps of the perfect man, Prophet
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  Muhammad, they consider the perfect man.
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  And they're do they they're all of their
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  religion and their ideology is built on doing
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  things the way he did.
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  Uh, so let me give you an example.
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  One of the uh parts of this stooge
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  tour, which I call it, where they took
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  me to try to tell me there's nothing
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  Call it where they took me to try
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  wrong.
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  to tell me there's nothing wrong.
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  Um, uh crazy story.
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  Um crazy story.
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  It was after 30 hours of time, well,
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  It was after 30 hours of taboo, they
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  they didn't even give me a bathroom break,
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  didn't even give me a bathroom break, just
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  just put me in a room for a
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  put me in a room for a photo
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  photo op, and there's three imams there.
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  op, and there's three emams there.
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  And I'm telling you, they're the most charming,
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  And I'm telling you, they're the most charming
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  uh reasonable, thoughtful, engaging, warm, you know, people
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  uh reasonable, thoughtful, engaging, warm, you know, people
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  that you that you could possibly engage with.
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  that you that you could possibly engage with.
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  Oh, just so sincere.
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  Oh, just so sincere.
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  The guy I was sitting immediately next to,
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  The guy I was sitting immediately next to
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  his name is Isapontami.
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  his name Isapontami, I knew about him.
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  I knew about him.
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  Uh, he is on the record publicly, again,
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  in the north, where he can get away
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  with it, saying, of course, we all celebrate
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  whatever unbelievers are being killed.
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  He said, Bin Laden is a greater Muslim
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  than me.
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  When he was an imam on a campus
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  when he was younger, it is said, uh,
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  and there's this you know, it's documented, uh,
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  that uh he issued a fatwa against someone
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  for heresy, and the person was stoned to
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  death.
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  Uh and I'm sitting next to this guy,
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  and I swear that he is as charming
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  and and hip as Mandami when you sit
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  next to him.
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  That's just the way it is.
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  When it's called takiah, it's the way Mohammed
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  did it, it's what they're taught to do,
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  it's their religion.
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  The ones that don't do that, they're the
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  backsliders.
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  They're the apostate.
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  But if you follow the Quran, you follow
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  the example of Muhammad, you you will it
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  it Islam means submission.
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  That's what it means.
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  And you will work to bring the world
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  into submission to Allah uh through any means
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  necessary.
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  That's that's their religion.
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  And when when they don't have control, they're
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  sure charming.
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  Uh, but in Iran, uh 47 years ago,
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  the gays teamed up with the Muslims to
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  take over, and the first thing they did
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  when they won was kill all the gays.
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  Yes.
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  That's just the truth.
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  I mean, that's how they do it.
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  It must kill you, Mike, when you um
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  when you see uh our culture, certain groups
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  of people embrace uh Muslims, uh including some
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  of the gay community, uh, you know, these
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  um radical leftist women, and it's like do
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  you if you move to the Middle East
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  right now, uh you would you would learn
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  real quickly that your lifestyle wouldn't uh wouldn't
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  last a day.
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  I do want to make sure that to
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  distinguish between Islam and Muslims.
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  Uh, there are some, I know some very
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  good, decent Muslim people.
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  That's that's the faith they claim and their
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  their tradition.
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  Uh there are uh we have a school,
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  one of our schools and camp and these
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  displacement camps uh is for Muslim children.
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  They're displaced as well.
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  By 60,000 Muslims have been killed alongside the
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  120,000 Christian.
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  Uh and those people are the ones that
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  refuse to be radicalized.
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  So we need to make that distinction.
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  Our the threat is Islam.
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  Yeah, and we're gonna pick up on that
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  thought.
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  wish to usurp your um uh constitutional liberty,
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  think get the attention they need to try
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  to give it to you from a deeper
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  And uh we are in the middle of
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  a conversation that is about as relevant um
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  as anything else going on in our culture,
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  and that is the ongoing battle of uh
• 19:44
  Islamists who want to install sharia into our
• 19:47
  country and usurp our constitutional republic.
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  And Mike, you were about to make some
• 19:52
  points before we got cut off by that
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  commercial.
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  Uh so if we can go back to
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  talking about um the uh and these things
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  need to be said because I don't think
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  they're said often enough, but but what the
• 20:05
  real goals are uh of the Islamists in
• 20:07
  this country, and how organized are they in
• 20:10
  order to accomplish their goals?
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  Yeah, so um any religion, any movement, any
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  organization, uh if you want to see what
• 20:19
  it's all about, you go to its founding
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  documents.
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  You go to its vision, mission, goals, objectives,
• 20:27
  action plans, the the whole framework, how why
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  is it built, how is it built, what
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  is this organization all about?
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  You look at the founding documents and you
• 20:36
  look at the example of the founder, what
• 20:38
  was this person doing?
• 20:41
  And um that's the only way to understand
• 20:43
  Islam is to just read it for what
• 20:45
  it is.
• 20:48
  What are these people being taught?
• 20:50
  Uh what do they believe?
• 20:52
  Um, and uh how do they put it
• 20:54
  into practice?
• 20:55
  And the fact is that I remember a
• 20:58
  few years ago, uh there was a outcry
• 21:00
  Uh there was a outcry, and uh that
• 21:01
  and uh that there needs to be a
• 21:02
  there needs to be a Muslim reformation, an
• 21:04
  Muslim reformation, an Islamic reformation.
• 21:04
  Islamic reformation, like as if that would be
• 21:07
  a good thing.
• 21:07
  Like as if that would be a good
• 21:08
  thing.
• 21:10
  When you study it, you realize ISIS is
• 21:10
  When you study it, you realize ISIS is
• 21:13
  the Muslim Reformation.
• 21:13
  the Muslim Reformation.
• 21:16
  The Christian Reformation took us back to the
• 21:16
  The Christian Reformation took us back to the
• 21:18
  Bible, took us back to the way of
• 21:18
  Bible, took us back to the way of
• 21:20
  Jesus.
• 21:20
  Jesus.
• 21:23
  The ISIS is taking Islam to the exact
• 21:23
  The ISIS is taking Islam to the exact
• 21:26
  step-by-step example.
• 21:26
  step-by-step example of Muhammad and what is written
• 21:30
  about him in the Quran and much of
• 21:33
  the hadith and how it's taught.
• 21:36
  They are taught that that killing Christians, killing
• 21:40
  white Europeans, killing Jews, uh, killing gays, is
• 21:43
  as much an act of observance and obedience
• 21:46
  and devotion as they're praying to Mecca five
• 21:50
  times a day.
• 21:53
  They don't have a Rhema relationship, they don't
• 21:57
  have the imbibing spirit that the Christians have.
• 22:01
  Uh and so their only connection with the
• 22:04
  divine in their mind, their their God, is
• 22:06
  through acts of devotion, acts of obedience.
• 22:09
  They feel when even when the ground is
• 22:11
  hard and their knees hurt and they're tired
• 22:13
  and they bow that you know the fifth
• 22:14
  time.
• 22:16
  Uh uh, that's when they feel, and I
• 22:18
  get I'm I let me tell you where
• 22:20
  I get this from.
• 22:22
  Uh, a very dear friend of mine who's
• 22:24
  a mighty apostle who was raised a jihadi
• 22:27
  cleric and he met Jesus.
• 22:29
  I mean, this is he's the real deal.
• 22:30
  He he he had the Quran memorized as
• 22:32
  a child raised in a family of clerics.
• 22:34
  I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin
• 22:35
  air.
• 22:37
  Uh, they're raised uh to believe that that
• 22:40
  killing apostates and killing the infidels is as
• 22:44
  much an act of devotion, connecting them to
• 22:47
  God as prayer, as fasting, as anything, you
• 22:50
  know, us singing a praise song or or
• 22:54
  or kneeling in prayer.
• 22:58
  That's where we feel connected to God.
• 23:00
  They feel that they're taught to feel that
• 23:01
  when they kill Christians, and that's just I
• 23:03
  mean, that's reality.
• 23:05
  And this is true, yes.
• 23:07
  And it states it in their own holy
• 23:07
  book.
• 23:08
  You don't have to take our word for
• 23:09
  it, read it yourself.
• 23:11
  Um and uh that of course isn't uh
• 23:12
  discussed.
• 23:14
  Now I want to insert into the conversation
• 23:16
  at this point, Mike.
• 23:17
  I know you can verify this, but the
• 23:19
  fastest place uh where Christianity is growing is
• 23:21
  in Iran.
• 23:23
  That's what I was told.
• 23:24
  That's what I've heard from numerous sources, and
• 23:27
  I'm not surprised, really.
• 23:30
  Uh, it makes no sense from the world's
• 23:33
  perspective, but I've heard so many reports.
• 23:36
  I mentioned that fellow's name is Isa El
• 23:37
  Buba.
• 23:39
  You can look him up, he's a friend
• 23:39
  of mine.
• 23:40
  Uh, an incredible true modern version of the
• 23:43
  Apostle Paul.
• 23:46
  And you can't, I mean, and and his
• 23:48
  life is on the line and still lives
• 23:49
  in northern part of Nigeria.
• 23:51
  He's had um he lives the highest security
• 23:54
  imaginable, uh, has had multiple more assassination attempts
• 23:56
  than Donald Trump, uh, because he tells people
• 23:59
  about Jesus, and he was raised a Muslim
• 24:02
  cleric, but he met Jesus, and Jesus came
• 24:05
  to him, and you hear reports about that
• 24:08
  all over the Muslim world.
• 24:11
  And you know, the only solution.
• 24:14
  That's the only thing that's gonna fix this.
• 24:16
  Mike, there are multiple reports of Muslims coming
• 24:19
  to Christ.
• 24:22
  And a common theme I'm hearing that I
• 24:24
  hear in this is how they are having
• 24:26
  visions, and Christ is reaching out uh to
• 24:28
  these people, and many are responding in faith
• 24:31
  to him.
• 24:34
  Because they you you can't help but contrast
• 24:36
  the two uh faith ultimately most importantly gives
• 24:39
  you hope, right?
• 24:42
  Yes, especially if you're female, there's no hope
• 24:44
  for you in uh Muslim.
• 24:47
  Please go ahead.
• 24:48
  Yeah, you know, when Saul was when Paul
• 24:52
  was Saul before they rode to Damascus stoning
• 24:56
  a person to death for uh blasphemy is
• 25:01
  stoning a person to death for blasphemy.
• 25:05
  Uh you know, it is really not much
• 25:07
  different what Paul was doing then than what
• 25:09
  the a lot of these jihadis are doing
• 25:11
  today.
• 25:14
  And for a lot of the same reasons,
• 25:16
  he thought it was an act of obedience
• 25:18
  to God, but he was trapped in in
• 25:20
  the wrong faith.
• 25:22
  His heart was truly trying to connect with
• 25:24
  God.
• 25:27
  Yes, but he was but he he held
• 25:28
  the jackets and encouraged the crowd.
• 25:31
  He was the effectively the imam saying, cut
• 25:32
  their heads off.
• 25:35
  I mean, that is what it is.
• 25:36
  A stoning is a stoning, it's not a
• 25:37
  pretty thing.
• 25:38
  It wasn't some you know, Bible, you know,
• 25:40
  Sunday school, you know, flannel graph of a
• 25:41
  person.
• 25:43
  I mean, they're they're there's the guy's disfigured,
• 25:46
  you know, it's it's brutal.
• 25:48
  Uh and that's what Paul did.
• 25:50
  So if Jesus can meet him, he can
• 25:52
  meet them.
• 25:54
  And he is, it's working.
• 25:57
  Well said, very, very well said.
• 25:59
  And tell us about Nigeria.
• 26:02
  I I've, you know, I get some publications,
• 26:06
  uh, Christian mission organizations that have described some
• 26:09
  of the um atrocities.
• 26:14
  And uh, and people need to know.
• 26:15
  We don't have to get all gory and
• 26:17
  everything, but we need to know what's happening
• 26:19
  on Sunday mornings when people meet to church.
• 26:21
  And is it Boko Recur Recam?
• 26:25
  Is that correct?
• 26:26
  There's multiple groups there.
• 26:28
  Nigeria's a big place.
• 26:30
  Um the nation's about the size of Texas,
• 26:32
  which is a pretty big state.
• 26:34
  Uh, and it's got about 240 million people
• 26:36
  there.
• 26:37
  So it's pretty spread out.
• 26:39
  The northeast, you have Boko Haram.
• 26:41
  Boko Haram literally means Western education is forbidden.
• 26:46
  Uh, there they there's no you know, hiding
• 26:47
  what they're all about.
• 26:49
  They're purge anything, Western anything, you know, enlightened.
• 26:53
  Um then you have uh ISIS that is
• 26:56
  relocated there.
• 26:59
  I swap, which is a sister of the
• 27:02
  Islamic State, West African province.
• 27:05
  You have Al-Qaeda affiliates, and you have others
• 27:07
  that are now running out of there.
• 27:09
  Uh, but what I I don't want to
• 27:12
  get to the graphic detail.
• 27:15
  Um, it's horrible.
• 27:17
  I mean, uh ripping babies out of bellies.
• 27:20
  I mean, the you know, throwing dead bodies
• 27:22
  in the well, so children are drinking water
• 27:24
  with blood in it.
• 27:26
  Uh I I'm connected with a church and
• 27:28
  and and a community called uh Gosa in
• 27:31
  Borno State, Northeast.
• 27:33
  Uh, some members of that church last fall,
• 27:36
  I got a video, uh, Boko Haram video.
• 27:38
  They had about a dozen men lined up
• 27:40
  on their knees.
• 27:42
  Um, they had the women as well, the
• 27:44
  women were sold into sex slavery, and there
• 27:46
  was a crowd of men, women, and children
• 27:49
  around cheering as they knock these men over
• 27:51
  one at a time and cut off their
• 27:53
  heads with dull axes and machetes and held
• 27:56
  them up, and the everybody's cheering, and that's
• 27:58
  how they recruit that alahu Akbar.
• 28:01
  Uh, that's happening today.
• 28:01
  That's happening today.
• 28:02
  Uh, there were uh in 2022, there was
• 28:03
  In 2022, there was a young woman, Deborah
• 28:05
  a young woman, Deborah Emanuel, uh, 22 years
• 28:06
  Emmanuel, 22 years old, in uh college, second
• 28:07
  old, uh, in uh college, second year, uh,
• 28:09
  year, uh, in a study group uh with
• 28:10
  in a study group uh with Muslims and
• 28:12
  Muslims and Christians.
• 28:12
  Christians.
• 28:15
  She was in northern Nigeria.
• 28:15
  She was in northern Nigeria.
• 28:17
  Um, and after exams, um, there's some of
• 28:17
  Um, and after exams, um, there's some of
• 28:20
  these folks started using their chat group to
• 28:20
  these folks started using their chat group to
• 28:22
  say religious stuff.
• 28:22
  say religious stuff.
• 28:25
  And she said, please don't, you know, let's
• 28:25
  And she said, please don't, you know, let's
• 28:26
  just keep this focused on school, you know,
• 28:27
  just keep this focused on school, you know.
• 28:28
  and she.
• 28:29
  And she made the mistake.
• 28:30
  She said, Jesus is the greatest, he helped
• 28:32
  me pass my exam.
• 28:35
  The next day on campus with police and
• 28:37
  professors watching.
• 28:40
  She was drug out, she was beaten stoned,
• 28:42
  they heaped tires on her and burned her
• 28:45
  to death while filming selfies with matchbooks in
• 28:48
  front of the flames celebrating.
• 28:51
  We just killed Deborah, uh a mob.
• 28:55
  And uh there was an outcry, they arrested
• 28:57
  two, the prosecutors never showed up.
• 29:00
  More than three dozen Muslim attorneys showed up
• 29:03
  to volunteer pro bono to defend them.
• 29:07
  Three churches in the community were burned to
• 29:10
  the ground in protest of this arrest, and
• 29:12
  so they were released without any judgment whatsoever,
• 29:14
  no punishment.
• 29:17
  The chief imam of the national mosque who
• 29:20
  had performed the president's daughter's wedding within 24
• 29:22
  hours, justified the killings on his own Twitter
• 29:25
  account.
• 29:28
  That is and nothing happened, nobody was punished.
• 29:32
  So that that's a reality.
• 29:34
  She she said, Jesus is the greatest.
• 29:37
  He helped me pass my exams.
• 29:39
  She was she was beaten stoned, burned alive,
• 29:41
  and nobody was punished.
• 29:43
  Well, police and professors watched, and they know
• 29:45
  who did it.
• 29:47
  But she blasphemed.
• 29:49
  What are we supposed to do?
• 29:50
  It's her fault.
• 29:51
  You know, you know, you know, Mike, I
• 29:53
  listen to you and I think to myself,
• 29:55
  you know, at what point do people step
• 29:57
  back and say, what does the religion that
• 29:59
  I'm practicing do for me?
• 30:02
  How has it transformed me into what?
• 30:05
  Um to love people, to love to show
• 30:08
  my love for God by loving others.
• 30:11
  Um when you're raised in it, when hey,
• 30:15
  look, if if you're if you're a uh
• 30:20
  virile male, alpha male type, masculine type God,
• 30:24
  you know, I I get to rape anybody
• 30:28
  that I want to.
• 30:33
  I get to I'm sure there's a rush
• 30:35
  when you're cacking somebody's head off with an
• 30:37
  axe and everybody's cheering for you, you know,
• 30:39
  and they're videoing it so they can use
• 30:41
  it to recruit others.
• 30:43
  There is a it's demonic, it is, but
• 30:45
  you can see how it you know it
• 30:48
  can appeal to the animalistic, and being told
• 30:50
  this makes you good with God.
• 30:53
  This the reality is they have to be
• 30:56
  miserable.
• 30:59
  I mean, you know as well as I
• 31:00
  do how how, but they don't know the
• 31:01
  answer.
• 31:02
  That's why uh as you brought up, Iran
• 31:05
  is the fastest growing church on earth.
• 31:07
  They say because living in darkness is living
• 31:10
  in misery, and and the light, the truth
• 31:12
  is is what when people see it when
• 31:15
  they feel it, when they when they touch
• 31:17
  it, they finally realize this is what I've
• 31:19
  been missing.
• 31:22
  So that's look, Winston Churchill called Islam human
• 31:26
  rabies, and it is in so many ways.
• 31:31
  There's not a logical way to cure these
• 31:33
  people because you're asking them to give up
• 31:35
  their holy book.
• 31:37
  You're asking them to give up their religious
• 31:38
  community, asking to give up the way they
• 31:40
  were raised.
• 31:43
  And that's not tenable, but Jesus can ask
• 31:45
  them.
• 31:46
  So all the best we can do is
• 31:49
  pray and and and and work to reflect
• 31:51
  him and make him attractive by our lives,
• 31:54
  by our love, so that they see that
• 31:56
  and they want to try it for themselves.
• 31:59
  Yes, indeed.
• 32:00
  And he's not gonna cut it.
• 32:01
  You know, Mike, it what a paradox.
• 32:04
  Christianity, you know, the more you try to
• 32:06
  stamp it out, the faster it grows.
• 32:09
  I mean, they did that in China, right?
• 32:11
  Right, and throughout human history.
• 32:18
  The more in the middle ages, you know,
• 32:20
  people were burned at the stake.
• 32:21
  And you're seeing that in Nigeria.
• 32:22
  Have you seen any like blow your mind
• 32:24
  like uh solid tarsus type conversions of high
• 32:26
  imams or uh clerics?
• 32:29
  This this fellow, uh, a jihad cleric raised
• 32:33
  in a family of respected jihad clerics, multi-generational.
• 32:38
  And he was as an adult when when
• 32:40
  he and he's had nine different last time
• 32:42
  I talked to him, nine different assassination attempts,
• 32:44
  but he met Jesus and he went and
• 32:46
  lived in the in the in the woods
• 32:48
  in the wilderness, up but in a little
• 32:50
  cabin, and a little old lady and man,
• 32:52
  you know, pastor and his wife from the
• 32:53
  church would take him food and minister to
• 32:55
  him, and just and that was I mean,
• 32:57
  that was his wilderness time, just like the
• 32:59
  Apostle Paul.
• 33:01
  And yeah, I this guy's the real deal.
• 33:04
  Um, and he's now a powerful evangelist, and
• 33:07
  he reaches out to the Muslim world.
• 33:11
  Well, we know that uh God's word does
• 33:13
  not return void unto him, it bears fruit.
• 33:16
  And uh unfortunately, this is the uh human
• 33:18
  story is that um, you know, in our
• 33:21
  ignorance and in our fear, we don't know
• 33:23
  God.
• 33:25
  And when somebody comes and lives the gospel
• 33:28
  and preaches the gospel, um, it does bear
• 33:31
  fruit, but it's usually in pretty terrible circumstances,
• 33:34
  just uh the sinful human state.
• 33:37
  There, and yeah, there's a flip side to
• 33:39
  it that makes me uh ashamed and disgusted
• 33:41
  at the same time.
• 33:44
  The the now the remnant in Nigeria, the
• 33:47
  Christians, the real ones are the strongest you'll
• 33:49
  ever see.
• 33:53
  But churchianity there, uh, it's the capital of
• 33:56
  prosperity gospel.
• 34:01
  And when this all started in 2014, they
• 34:03
  had eight of the ten richest pastors on
• 34:05
  earth, and their wealth has only trended up
• 34:08
  with genocide.
• 34:10
  The more Christians that are killed and displaced,
• 34:12
  the more money they make.
• 34:14
  And uh there's these mega massive golden topped
• 34:17
  mega churches uh with displacement camps not far
• 34:19
  away.
• 34:22
  And and and these people throw their money
• 34:24
  at these pastors that have collections of jets.
• 34:28
  What are they looking for?
• 34:29
  What do they want from these pastors?
• 34:31
  Well, it's you you you know the the
• 34:32
  the lie, you know, sow your seed into
• 34:34
  and to me, and then you'll get that's
• 34:36
  life now.
• 34:38
  That's that's it.
• 34:40
  And it is it it there's nothing attractive
• 34:42
  about it.
• 34:45
  The Muslims, why would I want to do
• 34:46
  that?
• 34:47
  That I mean, I I interact with these
• 34:48
  jihadis online.
• 34:50
  I got a more than 300,000 Facebook followers
• 34:52
  now, most of them are Nigeria, a lot
• 34:54
  of them, and a lot of them are
• 34:55
  hungry, but that's the example.
• 34:58
  That's what they see.
• 34:58
  They either see that or the Pope, and
• 35:00
  they don't want anything to do with it.
• 35:00
  And they don't want anything to do with
• 35:01
  it.
• 35:01
  And I don't blame them.
• 35:01
  And I don't blame them.
• 35:03
  I don't blame them.
• 35:03
  I don't blame them.
• 35:04
  That's the testimony we give.
• 35:04
  That's the testimony we give.
• 35:05
  That's what the world sees when they think
• 35:05
  That's what the world sees when they think
• 35:07
  of Jesus.
• 35:08
  I think of bling megachurch fraudsters, and they
• 35:08
  of Jesus, they think of bling mega church
• 35:10
  fraudsters, and and they think of the mealy
• 35:12
  think of the mealy-mouthed conflicted Pope.
• 35:13
  mouthed conflicted Pope, and that's Christianity to most
• 35:15
  And that's Christianity to most of the world.
• 35:16
  of the world.
• 35:18
  And it's a it's a sad state of
• 35:18
  And it's a it's a sad state of
• 35:20
  affairs.
• 35:20
  affairs, and and it's not a coincidence that
• 35:21
  And it's not a coincidence that the number
• 35:22
  the number one nation on earth for prosperity
• 35:23
  one nation on earth for prosperity gospel is
• 35:24
  gospel is the number one nation on earth
• 35:25
  the number one nation on earth for Christian
• 35:26
  for Christian genocide.
• 35:27
  genocide.
• 35:29
  Those things are.
• 35:29
  Those things are go together and play them
• 35:30
  out.
• 35:32
  My goodness.
• 35:33
  That well, uh, that's really something else.
• 35:37
  The um the battle is within the church.
• 35:41
  Um, I heard someone say that probably in
• 35:43
  this time, as we're nearing the end of
• 35:45
  the age, we're not date setters, we don't
• 35:47
  know when Christ is coming back again.
• 35:49
  We just we we pay attention to the
• 35:51
  signs that the Bible talks about, and we
• 35:53
  take our cues from that.
• 35:56
  But you've got so many wheat and tares
• 35:58
  grown up together, and uh there's just a
• 36:00
  lot of things being said and done in
• 36:02
  the name of Christianity that you just don't
• 36:04
  see in the Bible, Mike.
• 36:07
  You know, um, you have to remind Christians,
• 36:08
  go back to the word.
• 36:11
  You know, which is my best works are
• 36:13
  filthy rags, you know.
• 36:15
  People like Paul, when he was sold, he
• 36:17
  thought he was serving God, and these people
• 36:18
  that might have started thinking I'm serving God,
• 36:20
  and look, I'm getting rich doing it, you
• 36:21
  know.
• 36:23
  It's a trap, and it's the trap of
• 36:25
  the devil, and it and it sucks people
• 36:26
  to destruction.
• 36:29
  Uh this is this is so true.
• 36:31
  Um, we should really unpack that.
• 36:33
  I also, Mike, in the next segment.
• 36:34
  I want to hear your thoughts on Ezekiel
• 36:35
  38 and 39.
• 36:37
  Do you want to go there?
• 36:38
  Um we can you can't.
• 36:41
  We we need to because people need to
• 36:43
  know the Bible reads like uh the headlines
• 36:45
  say, don't you think?
• 36:47
  The prophetic I mean, yeah, definitely.
• 36:51
  And I and uh yeah, we we live
• 36:55
  in and I think kingdom significant historic times.
• 36:58
  Exactly.
• 36:58
  We're not date setters, folks.
• 37:00
  We're not going to say Jesus is coming
• 37:01
  back on this date at that time.
• 37:03
  We don't know that, but we are sign
• 37:04
  watchers.
• 37:06
  We read the signs we watch, and that's
• 37:08
  where we take our cues from.
• 37:10
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• 37:11
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  Kim Kennedy here, your host for today.
• 38:43
  Uh, we're in the midst of uh a
• 38:46
  very significant conversation with Mike Arnold.
• 38:48
  Um, you know, folks, I'm struck as I
• 38:50
  listen to him speak that to understand what's
• 38:52
  going on in the world today, you have
• 38:54
  to be a student of the Bible because
• 38:57
  God knows the end from the beginning, and
• 38:59
  the things that are happening have to happen
• 39:01
  in order for scripture to be fulfilled.
• 39:03
  So once you wrap your head around that,
• 39:05
  that really at heart, the battles that go
• 39:08
  uh happening are spiritual in nature ultimately, it
• 39:10
  really does help you um have uh a
• 39:12
  correct understanding and trust God that he is
• 39:15
  working out his perfect plan and he's taking
• 39:17
  care of his own people in the midst
• 39:19
  of it.
• 39:22
  Uh, to remind you, Mike is the author
• 39:24
  of epicenter Nigeria, radical Islam and the war
• 39:26
  for global order.
• 39:29
  Um, the good news is, Mike, is that
• 39:31
  uh we know who wins in the end.
• 39:34
  Um you can have all these people running
• 39:36
  around saying, you know, we're doing this to
• 39:39
  bring the imam in, and ultimately um nothing
• 39:41
  happens without God's approval.
• 39:43
  So there's our comfort that we can have
• 39:45
  for ourselves so that we can share with
• 39:46
  others.
• 39:48
  Ezekiel 3839 is a very significant couple of
• 39:50
  person scripture.
• 39:53
  And um I personally believe that we are
• 39:56
  on the cusp of that war.
• 39:59
  Can't say with absolute certainty.
• 40:01
  Once again, I'm you know, we pay attention
• 40:03
  to the signs.
• 40:05
  Do you want to uh spend a little
• 40:06
  bit of time unwrapping that?
• 40:08
  Of course, we can't go into an hour
• 40:10
  long sermon, but um share with our listeners
• 40:12
  why that is significant.
• 40:15
  Yeah, um, well, you know, it reading the
• 40:18
  signs uh if you look uh at uh
• 40:21
  the where Islam is positioned around the world
• 40:24
  today, what their goals are, how it's worked,
• 40:27
  how fast it's growing, uh, and all that.
• 40:30
  It it is a very chilling scenario.
• 40:34
  The only uh possible uh and I'm I'm
• 40:37
  saying this with with having explored this very
• 40:40
  deeply on the front line, and and you
• 40:43
  know, at the highest levels and the lowest.
• 40:46
  Um there's no stopping it through our strength,
• 40:50
  not by might, not by power.
• 40:53
  It's not possible.
• 40:54
  It's only by the spirit of God.
• 40:56
  And you're right when you said earlier, you
• 40:59
  know, the the the church we need we
• 41:01
  need a clean house first, because we're supposed
• 41:03
  to be the light of the world.
• 41:06
  There's no such thing as darkness.
• 41:07
  That's what I found in the heart of
• 41:09
  darkness in a village that had been wiped
• 41:11
  out in a Christmas massacre.
• 41:14
  Uh I found light.
• 41:16
  I found I found an orphanage, these husband
• 41:18
  and wife that had adopted 286 kids who
• 41:20
  saw their parents slaughtered and raised them as
• 41:22
  their own.
• 41:24
  And instead of wanting to kill, they want
• 41:26
  to go back and rebuild.
• 41:28
  But that's light.
• 41:29
  That's love.
• 41:30
  That's that's that's that's the only Jesus can
• 41:32
  do this.
• 41:34
  So in Ezekiel 38, 39, we have Gog
• 41:36
  and Magog, and they're you know coming to
• 41:38
  wipe out God's people.
• 41:40
  It it was God's miraculous intervention ultimately, the
• 41:43
  earthquakes and and such that that helped you
• 41:46
  know thwart that.
• 41:48
  Um God gave me a prophecy about Nigeria
• 41:51
  when I first went there in 2010, and
• 41:54
  I've seen it play out.
• 41:57
  Uh, and I I hold it dear.
• 41:59
  Um and what I what I heard, and
• 42:01
  And what I what I heard, and it's
• 42:02
  it's been repeated um over and over, what
• 42:03
  been repeated um over and over, what man
• 42:05
  man has long called the dark continent that
• 42:06
  has long called the dark continent that God
• 42:08
  God is raising to be the continent of
• 42:08
  is raising to be the continent of light
• 42:10
  light in our generation, with Nigeria as the
• 42:11
  in our generation, with Nigeria as the breakout
• 42:13
  breakout point.
• 42:13
  point.
• 42:16
  That's another meaning of my bug, the epicenter.
• 42:16
  That's another meaning of my bug, the epicenter.
• 42:18
  This is I believe what you're seeing there
• 42:18
  This is I believe what you're seeing there
• 42:21
  is an existential battle of kingdoms.
• 42:21
  is an existential battle of kingdoms.
• 42:24
  It's the front line.
• 42:24
  It's the front line.
• 42:25
  Uh, we're behind enemy lines in so many
• 42:25
  Uh, we're behind enemy lines in so many
• 42:27
  ways here, and in a lot of ways,
• 42:27
  ways here, in a lot of ways.
• 42:28
  but this.
• 42:29
  But this is where the the war is
• 42:31
  being fought.
• 42:33
  And uh, I believe victory is our destiny.
• 42:36
  I believe that that we are going to
• 42:37
  see victory come starting in Nigeria, it's gonna
• 42:39
  ripple from there.
• 42:41
  Again, remember I mentioned earlier on they have
• 42:43
  a trajectory, they're gonna be the third largest
• 42:44
  nation on earth.
• 42:46
  They're a powerhouse, they're very wealthy, and they're
• 42:48
  they're gonna be spreading around the world, and
• 42:50
  the battle is who's going to is that
• 42:52
  gonna be a massive spread of the wheat,
• 42:54
  or is it gonna be the the tares?
• 42:57
  That's what's at stake right now, and it's
• 42:59
  huge, it's got kingdom significance for for generations
• 43:01
  to come.
• 43:03
  What's happening right now in Nigeria?
• 43:06
  And um, and it's interesting.
• 43:08
  When I when I first received that in
• 43:10
  2010, it was the only nation on earth
• 43:11
  where radical Islam was being pushed back.
• 43:13
  It was it was stable, it was peaceful,
• 43:14
  it was booming.
• 43:16
  And to me, it seemed, oh yeah, they're
• 43:17
  on this trajectory.
• 43:19
  And it was not long after that word
• 43:21
  was given to me that all of this
• 43:22
  started to break out again.
• 43:24
  Uh, which is the enemy must have heard
• 43:26
  the word too, and he's throwing everything he's
• 43:27
  got at it.
• 43:29
  But this has a kingdom significance that's happening
• 43:31
  there.
• 43:33
  Um, and again, I I believe that it
• 43:35
  is the destiny of the body of Christ
• 43:38
  to rise overall, uh, you know, bring his
• 43:41
  kingdom on earth as it is in heaven.
• 43:43
  And and we're in that struggle right now.
• 43:46
  That this this is this is the call
• 43:47
  to battle.
• 43:49
  Let's let's go.
• 43:50
  Amen.
• 43:51
  And yes, um the uh the focus has
• 43:53
  moved off the west because western cultures are
• 43:56
  apostate to varying degrees.
• 43:59
  I mean, as you were talking, I don't
• 44:01
  know why I found myself thinking about King
• 44:03
  Charles who said the hell Islam is a
• 44:06
  nation is a religion of peace.
• 44:08
  And I think it's some might have said
• 44:10
  the same thing, and I thought, you heretics,
• 44:12
  you're my goodness.
• 44:14
  I mean, at one time missionaries came out
• 44:16
  of England, America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and
• 44:19
  now they they've rejected some of these nations,
• 44:22
  Canada is completely undone.
• 44:25
  Uh and God has, I think, to a
• 44:27
  large extent put us on the shelf.
• 44:30
  And I think besides Sharia, we also have
• 44:32
  Marxism, you know, uh breathing down our necks,
• 44:34
  uh, where liberty was once proclaimed and cherished
• 44:37
  and valued.
• 44:39
  It's yeah, you know, we there's just not
• 44:42
  a lot of a buzz about celebrating our
• 44:44
  country's 250th anniversary this year.
• 44:47
  Um, compared to 1976, when there was for
• 44:50
  our 200th anniversary.
• 44:52
  I'm sorry to say, uh, that's the way
• 44:54
  it is.
• 44:56
  But um on the other hand, we can
• 44:59
  uh rejoice that there is there is revival.
• 45:02
  Uh God is at work.
• 45:03
  There's also um in Pakistan.
• 45:05
  I've heard that there's uh large numbers of
• 45:08
  people coming to Christ, Malaysia, uh, some of
• 45:10
  the uh Southeast Asian countries.
• 45:13
  Can you speak to that?
• 45:15
  Uh yeah, this so Nigeria is really stands
• 45:17
  out because it's so big and it has
• 45:19
  so much resources.
• 45:21
  The these same forces that are at play
• 45:24
  there are happening in many places.
• 45:26
  What you have is the globalists, the communists,
• 45:30
  and the Islamists that have conspired together.
• 45:34
  Uh Obama triggered all of this on purpose.
• 45:37
  The Nigeria had a Christian president, he wanted
• 45:38
  him out and wanted a Muslim warlord in
• 45:40
  his place, and Obama made that happen in
• 45:42
  2014, 2015.
• 45:44
  He sent David Axelrod to be the campaign
• 45:46
  advisor to a guy that was Boko Haram's
• 45:48
  mediator.
• 45:51
  Called for global Sharia law, a Muslim warlord,
• 45:54
  and Obama got him elected by unleashing Boko
• 45:57
  Haram by tying the hands of the Christian
• 46:00
  president in the fight against terror, blocking aid
• 46:03
  and all that, and handed the nation off.
• 46:06
  So you got the globalists.
• 46:07
  The Chinese, uh, the the even the government
• 46:09
  of Nigeria admits about nine billion dollars a
• 46:11
  year is looted in minerals with a six
• 46:13
  that they pay rent to the jihadis, they
• 46:15
  they they fund a lot of the jihad,
• 46:18
  and they fund a lot of the corruption
• 46:20
  that enables it.
• 46:22
  So you got the Chinese communists, you got
• 46:24
  the Islam global Islamists, and you have the
• 46:27
  the globalists, Obama Biden ilk.
• 46:30
  Uh, and and you see that converge in
• 46:32
  many nations around the world, same spiritual dynamic
• 46:35
  taking place as well, where where there's a
• 46:37
  remnant that God is pouring out into uh
• 46:40
  and the enemy's throwing everything he's got at
• 46:42
  them.
• 46:44
  I mean, it's it's it's bloody around the
• 46:45
  world.
• 46:46
  Nigeria just happens to be the by far
• 46:48
  the largest.
• 46:50
  Um, you know, I think seven times more
• 46:52
  Christians killed there than anybody else in the
• 46:53
  world.
• 46:55
  Um, but it's just because it's so big.
• 46:59
  Have you ever seen spiritual warfare on this
• 47:01
  level in your lifetime as a missionary doing
• 47:02
  mission trips?
• 47:05
  You know, uh at every level at another
• 47:07
  level, there's another devil.
• 47:09
  Uh and uh God, you know, this is
• 47:12
  a this is an anointing I've carried for
• 47:15
  a long time, but but it's just since
• 47:18
  October gadgets having me walk at this level.
• 47:20
  I've I've been there are people in you
• 47:22
  know that I respect and trust Nigeria that
• 47:24
  tell me that God's giving me the seat
• 47:26
  of Daniel over the nation in Nigeria, and
• 47:28
  so that this is a new level, but
• 47:30
  it's it's this it's the same playbook, it's
• 47:32
  the same, you know.
• 47:34
  The the the attacks come, you know, the
• 47:35
  the the financial situation is is always an
• 47:37
  issue.
• 47:39
  It's just the higher you get, the more
• 47:40
  zeroes are on the end, you know.
• 47:42
  I mean, it's just it's just you know,
• 47:44
  another level is another devil, and uh, you
• 47:46
  know, it and the only way to go
• 47:48
  through it is there's only one offensive weapon
• 47:50
  in the entire armor of God, and that's
• 47:52
  the Rhema word of God.
• 47:55
  That's that's the uh the sword of the
• 47:57
  spirit is not the written word, it's the
• 47:59
  it's the reveal, it's a spoken word, it's
• 48:01
  his prompting, it's the Holy Spirit leading.
• 48:04
  And um, you know, it doesn't matter what
• 48:07
  you're facing spiritually, whether it's a principality level
• 48:11
  throne, or whether it's you know, lower down,
• 48:14
  you know, you know, street level uh demon.
• 48:18
  Um the only way to to get through
• 48:20
  it is just to step by step listen
• 48:22
  to God, do what he says, say what
• 48:24
  he tells you to say, think we're gonna
• 48:26
  be so yeah, and and and that's how
• 48:28
  we have victory.
• 48:30
  That's how that's how we cut the enemy
• 48:33
  down is is just by simple obedience.
• 48:36
  That's when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness,
• 48:38
  you know, man doesn't live by bread alone,
• 48:39
  but by the Rhema word that comes out
• 48:41
  of the mouth of God.
• 48:43
  Amen.
• 48:43
  And yes, yes.
• 48:44
  And the good news is that Christ wins,
• 48:47
  and I'm sure I I'm wondering as you're
• 48:49
  talking, um in the battle of Muslim versus
• 48:51
  Christian Nigeria, which who is which faith is
• 48:54
  growing faster.
• 48:58
  You know, that's that's a good question.
• 49:00
  Um you know, the way the Muslim faith
• 49:00
  Um you know the way the Muslim faith
• 49:03
  grows is is by forcing the burger dying
• 49:04
  grows is is by forcing quest and stuff.
• 49:05
  quest and stuff.
• 49:08
  So uh I I I that I don't
• 49:08
  So uh I I that I don't know.
• 49:09
  know.
• 49:11
  I don't that's a good that's a very
• 49:11
  I don't that's a good that's a very
• 49:12
  good question.
• 49:12
  good question.
• 49:13
  It's such a mess there because even the
• 49:13
  It's such a mess there, because even the
• 49:16
  the what do you what's a Christian?
• 49:16
  the what do you what's a Christian?
• 49:18
  Is it Christian, somebody that that has never
• 49:18
  Is it Christian somebody that that has never
• 49:20
  met Jesus but goes to church and and
• 49:20
  met Jesus but goes to church and and
• 49:22
  throws money at the offering plate of a
• 49:22
  throws money at the offering plate of a
• 49:24
  guy that has seven private jets?
• 49:24
  guy that has seven private jets?
• 49:26
  Is that a Christian?
• 49:26
  Is that a Christian?
• 49:28
  Uh you know, so
• 49:28
  Uh you know, so you know that's the
• 49:30
  real question.
• 49:32
  I I believe what I see uh and
• 49:35
  it's coming through the frontline service.
• 49:38
  I have schools, we have 600 kids in
• 49:40
  our schools in these displacement camps, for example.
• 49:42
  The testimonies, um, because there's a cycle of
• 49:45
  death that Africa's been trapped in.
• 49:47
  These kids show up wanting to get guns,
• 49:50
  they want to go back and kill.
• 49:53
  Um, they want to get revenge, but they
• 49:55
  get an education and they want to go
• 49:57
  back and rebuild, they want to serve.
• 50:00
  I see these these well, some of our
• 50:02
  staff, we get them from the the national
• 50:04
  youth service course program, a college graduate has
• 50:06
  to spend a year in service across Nigeria.
• 50:09
  We get these young people to have a
• 50:11
  fresh college degree, they want to be marketing
• 50:13
  or blah or whatever, and they beg, please
• 50:15
  don't send us to this assignment because we're
• 50:17
  in these camps with shanties and dirty people.
• 50:20
  And they beg a hundred percent of them
• 50:21
  beg don't send us there.
• 50:23
  And at the end of the term, more
• 50:24
  than half beg, please.
• 50:26
  This is what we're supposed to be doing.
• 50:27
  This is our call.
• 50:28
  Wow, they give it all up for that,
• 50:30
  and that is what is growing, and that's
• 50:32
  what's going to make a difference.
• 50:34
  It's the mega churches need to all be
• 50:37
  converted into homeless, you know, displacement shelters.
• 50:39
  The jets need to be sold, all that
• 50:41
  stuff needs to go away.
• 50:42
  But the remnant there uh is strong and
• 50:44
  it's growing, and and that's where my hope
• 50:46
  for this world is.
• 50:48
  My hope for the world is in that
• 50:50
  remnant there because they come through this and
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  they endure and they they overcome.
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  Uh they understand it's not about having the
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  largest church and rocking out and all that.
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  That's about seeing people come to Jesus Christ
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  and being prepared for uh eternity.
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  Our best works are filthy rags.
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  Whatever after a long time in ministry, I
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  had a revelation, and it hurt, but it
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  helped.
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  Uh, that was God said, Everything you've ever
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  done for me has only driven people further
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  away from me.
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  There's nothing we can do for God.
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  Those are our best works away from me
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  and everything.
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  We can only do let him do things
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  through us.
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  And that's how the light shines.
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  That's how we reach people.
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  It's not by my strength, it's by letting
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  him take over.
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  Do it your way, have your way with
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  me.
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  Use me as you will.
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  Here I am, send me.
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  And and that's the only way that we
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  can expand the kingdom is just the Rhema
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  word of God, simple obedience.
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  That's what we live by.
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  It's not by bread alone.
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  Well said, uh, Mike.
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  I don't have anything to add more on
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  to that.
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  So I'm gonna do a little commercial for
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  you because you are a very diverse man.
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  And um, for instance, you do in-person speaking
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  engagement, so there could be some people listening
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  who say, I want to have this guy
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  come to my church or organization.
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  Uh, would you tell them about your website?
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  Absolutely.
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  It's Mike Arnold.org.
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  That's the easiest way to find it.
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  Uh Mike Arnold.org.
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  It's from there.
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  Yes, I would love to come to your
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  church or your your organization to speak.
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  Um, we also uh you can see our
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  link to our schools, the arise academies, Africa
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  Arises My Nonprofit over there.
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  Uh, we have a staff about 20.
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  We have 650 full-time students in four campuses
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  now.
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  And and a lot of these kids saw
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  their parents hacked to death.
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  A lot of them were born in those
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  displacement camps.
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  Uh nothing but trauma, but we're reaching them,
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  we're we're breaking the cycle of death, and
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  and we're we're we're we're expanding the kingdom
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  of God in those camps.
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  You can find that there.
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  We need help because these kids keep coming.
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  Uh, and then uh my books have written.
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  I wrote a book called Um Uprising.
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  It's about the about Christian victory.
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  It's about how we have how biblically how
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  what is our role in all this and
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  how do we win?
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  And then we have Epicenter, the book that
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  we're talking about today.
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  I think it's a must-read for every American
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  because you stand there and all these factors
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  make sense.
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  All the global dynamics become in a line,
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  you can you can see them clearly when
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  you stand in Nigeria because they're so overt
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  there, and you'll see how it affects us
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  and how it's coming our way.
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  So I I encourage everybody to go to
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  Mike Arnold.org, check it out, and and the
• 53:34
  link to the Amazon to get a copy
• 53:36
  of my book.
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  Uh it's an easy read and it's and
• 53:40
  it'll open your eyes.
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  And I think with a couple of minutes
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  I have left, I maybe you think it's
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  overkill.
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  I don't think it is.
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  I think we just need to revisit again
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  and reinforce the people that uh the Islamists
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  have an agenda, and they're extremely serious about
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  it, and we need to take them seriously.
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  Mike, uh, tell us just a little bit
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  uh because of time constraints about what's happening
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  in Texas.
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  I know they want to create a town
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  that is for Muslims only.
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  Yep.
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  Uh looks and then that's the camel's nose
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  under the tent is when you can get
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  when they can get a little conclave and
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  start doing Sharia law.
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  Sharia is an absolute separate form of government.
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  Sharia, interestingly, means the way Jesus is the
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  way.
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  The early church called themselves away.
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  That's how devoted they are to it.
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  Uh, but uh it is complete anathema to
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  freedom and liberty and and and faith.
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  I mean, it it it it is it
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  is a cancer everywhere it's ever been injected,
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  uh has gotten very sick, and if out,
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  you know, have it been stopped without a
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  war, it it it it kills a land,
• 54:45
  it kills the people.
• 54:47
  So uh yeah, we're we're fighting a fight
• 54:50
  here to block the sharia and to push
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  these conclaves out before they take root because
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  there's simply no stopping it what without a
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  war, historically, 1400 years once they've gotten started
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  in a land.
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  So we need to.
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  And they don't want to they don't want
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  to coexist.
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  Yeah, I see those bumper stickers all the
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  time.
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  They're not interested in that, it's total conquest.
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  That's what they're about.
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  Did I overstate that?
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  Islam means submission, period.
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  That's what it means.
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  And so if you follow the jihad, the
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  uh Sharia, the way of submission, your job
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  and your calling, and and your God wants
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  you to bring everything into submission, even if
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  it means killing them.
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  And in my mind, when I ask myself,
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  submission to who, and I see a group
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  of people who will fly planes into buildings
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  who will walk into a marketplace and pull
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  a string and blow up uh a bunch
• 55:41
  of people and do horrible things.
• 55:43
  Um that's not a submission to the God
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  of the Bible who values life.
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  He values it so much that he sent
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  his only begotten son who died on the
• 55:51
  cross for our sins.
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  Um I call that submission to the devil
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  who was the destroyer, isn't that what Christ
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  said about him?
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  It's it that's exactly right.
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  It's it's a dumb Islam is a demonic
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  It's a dem Islam is a demonic death
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  death cult.
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  cult.
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  There are good people that call themselves Muslims
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  There are good people that call themselves Muslims
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  that are trapped in it, hurt by it.
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  that are trapped in it, hurt by it.
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  But Islam is a demonic death cult cult,
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  But Islam is a demonic death cult cult.
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  no doubt about it.
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  No doubt about it.
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  That you know, I believe the Allah that
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  I believe the Allah that appeared to Muhammad
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  appeared to Muhammad was a demon.
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  was a demon.
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  I mean, there's no other way around it.
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  I mean, there's no other way around it.
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  I would concur with that based on the
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  I would concur with that based on the
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  evidence I have drawn that conclusion, not that
• 56:20
  evidence I have drawn that conclusion.
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  I have a personal vendetta.
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  Not that I have a personal vendetta.
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  Um when I see hate actions like that,
• 56:23
  Um when I see hate actions like that,
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  that tells me what I need to know.
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  that tells me what I need to know.
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  I didn't start start thinking this.
• 56:28
  I didn't start start thinking this.
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  I'm
• 56:29
  I've seen it firsthand.
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  It's it's been not by anything I've read,
• 56:33
  no propaganda, no no no no lingering issues.
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  It's just what I've witnessed.
• 56:38
  You're on the you're on the front lines,
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  so you are about as reliable a source
• 56:41
  as they get.
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  Folks, we are out of time.
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  So glad that you were with us in
• 56:47
  this edition of Don't Drink the Kool-Aid.
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  Uh Mike, we thank you for being with
• 56:50
  us.
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  Great conversation.
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  Really appreciate it.
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  I enjoyed it.
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  Thank you so much.
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  Listeners, have a great day.