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HR2: Live from Training Camp 2026 Day 10 · In the Locker Room presented by Neighborhood Ford Store (Pittsburgh Steelers)

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Speaker 3: Side our number two here inside the locker room, and
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Speaker 3: to eight pm down in the center of the city,
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Speaker 3: and of course a high light every year since the nineties.
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Speaker 3: Bill Kauer was one of the guys that I believe
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Speaker 3: of get that high school feel. We've now adjusted it
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Speaker 3: and moved it to a Saturday, but still the same
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Speaker 3: nostalgia and feel of bringing the Steelers into the community
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Speaker 3: literally there's fan fast and activities going on around the
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Speaker 3: practice ahead of it. Alumni are there doing autographs and
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Speaker 3: there's activations and of course culminating in the team heading
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Speaker 3: over and practicing on good old high school football field there.
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Speaker 2: So it's a fun time.
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Speaker 3: Another another very highly competitive practice, full pad, so looking
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Speaker 3: forward to that. So we don't have any practice notes
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Speaker 3: to really get to.
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Speaker 2: I mean, coordinators, I believe spoke a.
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Speaker 3: Little while ago, but that's why we're having this fun
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Speaker 3: conversation on the heels of my travels to the the
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Speaker 3: actually the pilgrimage. The pilgrimage travel to the hallowed grounds
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Speaker 3: that are the National Football Pro Football Hall of Fame
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Speaker 3: in Canton, Ohio, and I'm saying that there's a water
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Speaker 3: park style like hotel being built right in front of
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Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame to try and track more kids,
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Speaker 3: as though you needed more kids to come there. But
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Speaker 3: you know this this week, every single year, this is
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Speaker 3: this is the site. This is this is the precipice
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Speaker 3: that we sit on for the upcoming regular season. So
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Speaker 3: we're going back and deep diving into in not in,
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Speaker 3: I think is the best way of putting it. What
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Speaker 3: do you say, Rob and not in. I think it
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Speaker 3: is a good segment in not In.
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Speaker 4: And this all comes from us sort of saying that
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Speaker 4: we felt we were talking about the Hall of Fame
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Speaker 4: because Max was going there, and our discussion about whether
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Speaker 4: if you made the All Decade team, and both of
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Speaker 4: us were clearly thinking, and we're trying not to revise it,
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Speaker 4: clearly thinking that first team All Pro, first Team All
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Speaker 4: Decade team get you in the Hall of Fame. That
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Speaker 4: should be enough to get you in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 4: We understand guys step between the cracks. Cam Hayward is
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Speaker 4: one of those guys that didn't make the twenty tens,
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Speaker 4: and unless he has another All Pro year the year
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Speaker 4: or two and plays a few more years, probably won't
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Speaker 4: make it at the end of the next decade. It's
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Speaker 4: gonna be it's gonna be tough because he straddled those
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Speaker 4: decades in the course of his crime, and so that's
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Speaker 4: gonna happen to guys. But our sense is that if
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Speaker 4: you were this dominant for ten years, that doesn't mean
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Speaker 4: you're the best in your time. Again, Cam was a
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Speaker 4: better player in my opinion than Gino Atkins, right, who
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Speaker 4: was on the All Decade Team. He's gonna be a
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Speaker 4: better player if he doesn't make the All Decade team
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Speaker 4: in the twenty twenties, He's gonna be better than a
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Speaker 4: player on that team too, And it's prime, but his
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Speaker 4: prime doesn't fit snugly into that decade. He will be
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Speaker 4: the he will be the on the downside of good
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Speaker 4: time of poor timing. Right, that'll be the only thing
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Speaker 4: that's gonna keep them off those things and in my opinion,
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Speaker 4: out of the Hall of Fame. Although again, let's keep going, Cam,
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Speaker 4: keep building that case. It's okay with that.
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Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with good old ingenuity and try hard.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, keep going. Two more All Pros, another All Pro,
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Speaker 4: you know, and two more Pro Bowls, another All Pro
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Speaker 4: one and it's a shoeing, So okay. So here's where
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Speaker 4: we're going to meet our first hiccup, and that is
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Speaker 4: the fullback position, which largely no longer exists in the NFL.
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Speaker 4: So you have Lorenzo Neil, terrific fullback. Tony Richardson was
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Speaker 4: First Team two. You know, Lorenzo was a four time
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Speaker 4: first team Pro Bowler. I just don't think that that. Again,
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Speaker 4: we talk about the position. Why do fan of Can
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Speaker 4: Hutchison have to wait so long because tackles go in first.
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Speaker 4: Quarterbacks going first, receivers go in first, running backs going first,
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Speaker 4: Corners going first. If you're safety, unless you're Troy Polamalo,
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Speaker 4: you might have to wait. If you're a guard, you
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Speaker 4: might have to wait. If you're center, you might have
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Speaker 4: to wait. It's just the nature of the position. If
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Speaker 4: you're the pullback, I think, and you're a prototypical fullback, listen,
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Speaker 4: you love to have the renal on your team. I
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Speaker 4: just don't think that makes the Hall of Fame. I
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Speaker 4: don't think he's going to get in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 4: Mac he's not in. I don't think he's going to
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Speaker 4: get it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's a devaluing of that position, right, he's
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Speaker 3: I think he's a decade too late. I think if
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Speaker 3: you look in nineties and eighties when a fullback was
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Speaker 3: a prominent position, kind of like the nose tackle, Like
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Speaker 3: a nose tackle is one that it's an important position
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Speaker 3: on the team. It allows for the guys behind them
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Speaker 3: to get those opportunities to be great and be successful.
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Speaker 3: Like you think about more linebackers are in, Well, it's
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Speaker 3: because of a dominant nose tackle. Usually that's how you
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Speaker 3: make those plays to get into those positions to be successful.
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Speaker 3: And then like that, a fullback as well, like a
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Speaker 3: fullback is essentially a sixth offensive lineman. He just isn't
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Speaker 3: tall enough. And you know, and that's one of those
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Speaker 3: where the stats just are aren't going to be on
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Speaker 3: your side. And this is you know, stats tell a
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Speaker 3: story for a lot of this and and how you
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Speaker 3: get into the Hall of Fame and how you get
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Speaker 3: the nods. It's a numbers game, and fullbecks just frankly
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Speaker 3: don't get numbers, and there's no tangible way of really
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Speaker 3: tracking their stats, you know, without it being kind of subjective.
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Speaker 3: And that's where you run into that gray area. So
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Speaker 3: you're right, both those guys excellent, love Nilo, but yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: you know, Lorenzo's not going to get in. And like
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Speaker 3: you said, Tony Richardson also definitely if Lorenzo doesn't get in,
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Speaker 3: he's a first team member.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Richardson's not getting in either.
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Speaker 4: Okay, So let's continue on, and and I think that
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Speaker 4: we're going to run into it a whole stretch of
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Speaker 4: guys who are in the Hall of Fame. Receiver one,
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Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Hall of Famers, no doubt about it.
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Speaker 4: Team two tall Owens, Hall of Fame, Tory Holt not
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Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 2: Should be in the Hall of Fame, but not in
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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, a lot of pro. Again, it's hard to
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Speaker 4: be All Pro when you're going up against Randy Moss,
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Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison, karall Owens. It's hard. Isaac Bruce on his
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Speaker 4: own team and it's hard to be. I mean, he
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Speaker 4: led the league in receptions once and receiving yards a
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Speaker 4: couple of times. Very very good player. I think maybe eventually.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of these years you'll get it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's gonna be one of those kind
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Speaker 4: of guys.
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Speaker 2: Max.
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Speaker 4: But again, sticking with our All Pro one theme, he's
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Speaker 4: not in All Pro one. He's not in the Hall
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Speaker 4: of Fame, and so let's move on tight end Tony
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Speaker 4: Gonzales in second team, Antonio Gates in. Two phenomenal players,
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Speaker 4: no questions about that.
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Speaker 3: First team went and at the time when they went
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Speaker 3: in they were both number one all time and catches,
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Speaker 3: receptions and touchdowns both of them, So they led the
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Speaker 3: league that Now, obviously, since Travis Kelcey is broken, that
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Speaker 3: record whatever, but at the time when they're logged in
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Speaker 3: best overall statistics at their position. So I just want
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Speaker 3: to make sure we clarify that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're talking about eras of football, Max, And
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Speaker 4: you know, where does the modern era begin? And it's
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Speaker 4: it's difficult to pinpoint. You know, you say the Hall
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Speaker 4: of Fame era, but you know, at six one, two
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Speaker 4: fifty again I brought up this point, Fuzzy Thurston pulls
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Speaker 4: around around to the edge and he's leading Jim Taylor
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Speaker 4: or Paul Horning on that bonded packer suite and he
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Speaker 4: runs into TJ.
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Speaker 2: Watt.
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Speaker 4: Well, he wasn't running into edge defenders that big, you
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Speaker 4: know what I mean, It just wasn't. And and that's
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Speaker 4: you know, even a decade later, Fuzzy's running into Lawrence Taylor.
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Speaker 4: I just don't know as that goes really well. Now, again,
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Speaker 4: they were lighter, quicker guards. You know, that's the kind
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Speaker 4: of player Chuck Nole wanted to. But the point is
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Speaker 4: that I think that Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates, Uh,
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Speaker 4: you know, you talk about prototypes, there's the prototype for
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Speaker 4: the modern tight end right there. To me, those two
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Speaker 4: guys Dallas and Gates. I don't think they redefine, they
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Speaker 4: redefined the position. Right. The modern era of the tight
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Speaker 4: end begins with those guys. The modern air of the
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Speaker 4: pass rusher might begin with Lawrence Taylor. Right, So you
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Speaker 4: may be going back to the early eighties. I think
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Speaker 4: the modern tight end is that late nineties, early two thousands. Uh,
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Speaker 4: it's Gonzales and Gates.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they paved the They paved the way for what
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Speaker 3: we consider or what we demand.
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Speaker 2: A tight end to do.
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Speaker 4: Okay, on we go tackle Jonathan Ogden.
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, no, let's let's get all of my
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Speaker 3: idols out of the way.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he might be you know, somebody's holding the chair
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Speaker 4: for him. Probably at that innercase.
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Speaker 3: I would say he is an inner. He is an
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Speaker 3: inner sanctum offensive lineman.
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, he was phenomenal. Walter Jones outstanding, He's in
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Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame. Willie Rope, Orlando Pace. You know
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Speaker 4: those guys were were second team all decade, you know, Uh,
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Speaker 4: Orlando Pace was. That's interesting because to me, I mean
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Speaker 4: he was. He was also a top of the scale
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Speaker 4: type of offensive lineman. But it's hard to and he
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Speaker 4: made three All Pro ones, but man, it is hard
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Speaker 4: to make all pro ones when Jonathan Ogden to Hagan
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Speaker 4: those trophies and now you're competing with everybody else, you know. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: I mean, uh, but but he's he's in the Hall
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Speaker 4: of Fame Great Players, So all of the tackles are in,
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Speaker 4: all of the guards are in. Alan Fanica, Steve Hutchinson,
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Speaker 4: Larry Allen, will Shields all in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 4: Uh Center, Kevin Maway, he's in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 4: Allen Krutz. Olin Kreutz is not in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 4: I don't think he's gonna make the Hall of Fame
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Speaker 4: at the center position.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Olin, you know, obviously, if I had a pick
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Speaker 3: between the two, I'd probably picked Olin over Vin Mawai.
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Speaker 3: But Kevin Mwai takes the first team nod. I just
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Speaker 3: thought Olin Crutz. I mean we learned our silent snap
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Speaker 3: count because of Olin Krutz and what he developed in Chicago. Yes, interesting,
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Speaker 3: Like we watched the Chicago phil after we lost to
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Speaker 3: the Indianapolis Colts in five of the regular season that
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Speaker 3: following week, we had to put in a silent count
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Speaker 3: like that was the reason why and who do we
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Speaker 3: look to we looked at Olin Crutz in the Chicago
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Speaker 3: Bears for how they ran their count and that's how
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Speaker 3: and that's how we developed our silent count system.
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Speaker 4: So that is absolutely so I.
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Speaker 2: Did behind the mask type of look there.
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Speaker 4: I love that, man, My football keep them just went
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Speaker 4: through the roof. Man, that is just very very cool.
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Speaker 4: I had no idea, no idea that that was the case.
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Speaker 4: And uh, you know again, you just look at the
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Speaker 4: Pro Bowl and all throw nods. Uh you know, maybe
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Speaker 4: somewhere down the line somebody will re look at the
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Speaker 4: center position. But you know, let's get Markue's pounty in
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Speaker 4: their first in my opinion, Dan, just look at the
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Speaker 4: number decade team.
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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
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Speaker 3: But look how long it took Dermondi Dawson to get
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Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame as well. So yeah, I
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Speaker 3: don't think Marquise waits as long as as as Dirt does.
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Speaker 3: But but it's still still that that's how tough it is,
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Speaker 3: that that's what you're battling.
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Speaker 1: It is.
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Speaker 4: Okay, so we have the defense to get to We
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Speaker 4: got to get hustling, Max, because yeah, I want to
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Speaker 4: go away. I gotta take a break. We gotta take
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Speaker 4: a break.
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Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm like Ricky, Bobby, I want to go fast.
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Speaker 2: I want to.
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Speaker 4: I want to ask you about the scrimmage of what's
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Speaker 4: going on tonight and what you're expecting to see and
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Speaker 4: all that other stuff. Okay, so we're gonna dash through
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Speaker 4: the defense, or maybe we'll reverse it. Maybe maybe we'll
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Speaker 4: you know what, that's what. We'll go to the scrimmage
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Speaker 4: and if we don't, we'll we'll dash through the Tens
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Speaker 4: defense if we have to. I think our point has
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Speaker 4: been made. We've got to further drive it home. But
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Speaker 4: let's talk about the Steelers and what you're expecting to
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Speaker 3: number two, our number two here, and we would be
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Speaker 3: remissed if we did.
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Speaker 2: Not address the.
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Speaker 3: Friday night on Saturday lights event. But you know, this
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Speaker 3: is more because in the past, it's been a scrimmage
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Speaker 3: rob and it's been like the full field, like first
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Speaker 3: team goes up against first first team offensive vers first
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Speaker 3: team defense.
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Speaker 2: You marched out if you.
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Speaker 3: Kind of go through plays and drives has been one
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Speaker 3: of the key moments. And then you add in the
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Speaker 3: elemental side of it. You know, we're gonna see you know,
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Speaker 3: those third down package pass under pressure so to speak.
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Speaker 3: In the past, you also had you know, two minute
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Speaker 3: drills worked in there, so you had kind of the
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Speaker 3: flow of a game worked in because this was kind
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Speaker 3: of like the dress rehearsal before you get to the
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Speaker 3: first preseason game, and obviously that first preseason game Thursday
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Speaker 3: night and after sure against.
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Speaker 2: The Green Bay Packers.
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Speaker 3: So I'm very interested to see how this is gonna go.
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Speaker 3: You always had a backs on back tight ends on
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Speaker 3: d ns O line versus D line, like you had
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Speaker 3: these one ones and he had the one.
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Speaker 2: On one, uh well not one on one but.
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Speaker 3: Seven on seven, competitive middle of the field type of deal.
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Speaker 3: So I'm interested to see how it's going to be
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Speaker 3: scripted this evening for Mike McCarthy since he kind of
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Speaker 3: does things a little bit differently, but that's been what
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Speaker 3: it has been in the past, and just kind of
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Speaker 3: anticipating what's going to be this current iteration of Friday
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Speaker 3: Night Lights. It's already on a different day, so Saturday
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Speaker 3: Night Lights. But you know that that's one of the
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Speaker 3: things that has us I kind of intrigued thus far
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Speaker 3: because you know, Mike pursuita asked backs on backers do
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Speaker 3: you like it?
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Speaker 2: I'm a fan.
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Speaker 3: I'm a fan, but he hasn't done it yet, so
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Speaker 3: you wonder when that's I shouldn't say when, but if
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Speaker 3: if that will actually happen in camp and will it
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Speaker 3: concur or conclude this evening. So a lot to kind
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Speaker 3: of anticipate getting ready and tonight. What are some of
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Speaker 3: the things you're thinking about?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm eager to see if you know, usually somebody
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Speaker 4: who would come out of this Max as Wow, he
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Speaker 4: kind of put a stamp on what we've sort of seen. Now.
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Speaker 4: We learned earlier that Maxahonachor is not going to be
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Speaker 4: taking place part of this. Well, the word was probably
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Speaker 4: won't see him through Monday, right, So that there's a
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Speaker 4: guy that I think a lot of fans really wanted
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Speaker 4: to see. You know, what is he going to be
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Speaker 4: able to bring to the table? You know?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 4: I think probably for me because I'm more concerned with
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Speaker 4: the right now, I understand people are really gonna want
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Speaker 4: to be looking at the quarterback position. I get that.
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Speaker 4: I'm more interested in the wide receiver position. I'm more
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Speaker 4: interested in you know, how is how is that looking
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Speaker 4: right now? How are these guys jiving with with with
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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers or they melding together? You know? I think
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Speaker 4: that Aaron you know, look, I think Aaron does things
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Speaker 4: very deliberately. Right, he's targeting ticket dk Metcalf. Then he's
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Speaker 4: been targeting you know, there's a we talked about this
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Speaker 4: the other there's a Pat Pryarmouth day. There's been a
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Speaker 4: lot of Roman Wilson stuff. Is he going to emerge
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Speaker 4: that number three receiver because you know, look, they're all
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Speaker 4: I don't want to say that they're all one type
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Speaker 4: of receiver because DK is a big guy with speed.
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Speaker 4: Hitman's a big guy with great ability to use his
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Speaker 4: body and pick up first downs and make the tough catches.
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Speaker 4: Jeremy Bernard I think, is a little more probably in
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Speaker 4: that mold, not as big, but you know, he's the
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Speaker 4: second round pick. Roman Wilson's the one guy is a
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Speaker 4: little bit different to me, Slighter, maybe a little more
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Speaker 4: explosive as far as quick getting in and out of
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Speaker 4: you know cuts. I think DK probably still has the
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Speaker 4: best top end speed of the group, So he's interesting
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Speaker 4: to me because you know he can I think the
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Speaker 4: students will definitely be able to bludgeon team. Think about
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Speaker 4: my goodness, if you come out there and it's Darnel Washington,
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Speaker 4: it's and it's DK Metcalf and you know Pittman is
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Speaker 4: your wide receivers. That is just a large group of
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Speaker 4: human beings. But you know, prior Muth has been very
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Speaker 4: good in the slot as an h back guy. There's
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Speaker 4: a lot of different things they can do. It doesn't
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Speaker 4: have to be three receivers. But if it's going to
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Speaker 4: be three receivers, if it's going to be make up
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Speaker 4: some ground, I think this would be a nice practice
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Speaker 4: for Roman Wilson to show everybody what he can do.
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Speaker 3: Now, I'm right there with you, and I think that's
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Speaker 3: really what the key is here.
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Speaker 2: It's Roman, what can you do?
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Speaker 4: Like?
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Speaker 2: You know, are you going to take that next step?
18:47
Speaker 3: Are you going to be the guy that everybody can
18:49
Speaker 3: depend on in that slot position to kind of take
18:52
Speaker 3: over and have a Calvin Austin esque type of role
18:57
Speaker 3: on this team?
18:58
Speaker 2: And what does that look like? Does that mean.
19:02
Speaker 3: You know, for what you can bring to the table,
19:04
Speaker 3: or is it we got to look at another direction
19:06
Speaker 3: because I think this is that kind of pivotal year
19:09
Speaker 3: for Roman to take, to take the jump, to take
19:13
Speaker 3: the leap for the next phase of his career.
19:19
Speaker 4: It's almost now or never. Really, it truly is for him.
19:23
Speaker 4: I mean there and with the Steers. Look, I still
19:28
Speaker 4: think Roman Wilson could be an NFL receiver. I just
19:30
Speaker 4: hope it's with the Steelers. I think that if it
19:32
Speaker 4: doesn't happen after this year and you're bringing another quarterback,
19:35
Speaker 4: I get that, until that's always new life, but it
19:38
Speaker 4: would feel like, Okay, the team is moving on from
19:43
Speaker 4: him and so and again Aaron Rodgers says, this is
19:47
Speaker 4: going to be it. Maybe he has a great rapport
19:49
Speaker 4: with the next quarterback in the future. I don't want
19:52
Speaker 4: to completely close the chapter if it doesn't happen now,
19:55
Speaker 4: but now would be an awfully good time for him
19:58
Speaker 4: to integrate himself and be part of it. And I
20:02
Speaker 4: just think that he can be an explosive element. I mean,
20:06
Speaker 4: you know, the students have a very physical offense. You know,
20:10
Speaker 4: they've got a physical offensive line that they've invested in.
20:13
Speaker 4: They've got physical big wide receivers, They've got running backs
20:18
Speaker 4: can who can play with a physical style. You know,
20:21
Speaker 4: we've seen Jalen Warren show some game breaking ability, and
20:25
Speaker 4: I think that they believe that if they get him
20:27
Speaker 4: back to shorter stints, that they're going to see more
20:29
Speaker 4: of that game breaking ability. Again, I'm on the fence
20:33
Speaker 4: about that. Part of me wants to see him get
20:34
Speaker 4: twenty two carries and see what happens. That's not gonna
20:38
Speaker 4: happen unless there's an injury. You know, Doubtell is going
20:41
Speaker 4: to be is going to be taking a lot of
20:43
Speaker 4: those A lot of those thumper type of things. Are
20:46
Speaker 4: both guys are three down backs. Jalens an outstanding blocker.
20:51
Speaker 4: As we know, both guys can receive the football. I
20:53
Speaker 4: think Jalen's got that a little bit of that that
20:56
Speaker 4: game breaker to him, and of course DK does with this,
21:00
Speaker 4: but I think, you know, that would be if Roman
21:02
Speaker 4: Wilson could bring an element that that the offense could use.
21:06
Speaker 4: And so that's why I think my biggest attention will
21:10
Speaker 4: be what is he going to accomplish tonight? And then
21:14
Speaker 4: I guess on the defensive side of the ball. You know,
21:16
Speaker 4: I would like to see the continued progression of UH
21:19
Speaker 4: And I say progression like a Sante. Samuel's a rookie.
21:23
Speaker 4: He's not, but he's coming back from a serious injury
21:27
Speaker 4: and from surgery and it's basically been he got I
21:31
Speaker 4: think he got into a little bit of action last year.
21:33
Speaker 4: It's basically been you know, two years since he's played.
21:36
Speaker 4: I'd like to see what he could do out there
21:38
Speaker 4: because if he continues and he has drawn rave reviews
21:41
Speaker 4: from Mike McCarthy going back to the OTAs, I mean,
21:45
Speaker 4: what a find that would be. We have seen this
21:49
Speaker 4: the other struggle to get a second corner opposite of
21:53
Speaker 4: Joey Porter Jr. Well they got that guy with Jamel
21:56
Speaker 4: Dean now to be able to throw a third guy
21:59
Speaker 4: out there they're on the outside and go back to
22:02
Speaker 4: the old, the other way of doing things where Dale,
22:03
Speaker 4: when Evertt becomes a guy that you can you can
22:07
Speaker 4: take your time with, you know, knock on what all
22:09
Speaker 4: all things are many equal on the injury front, and
22:11
Speaker 4: bring him along at a at a suitable pace and
22:14
Speaker 4: not have to rush him into action, you know, all though,
22:18
Speaker 4: for all those reasons, Sante Samuel to me is a
22:22
Speaker 4: guy I'm really as his camp goes on, I'm really
22:26
Speaker 4: intrigued about what he can do because I think he
22:28
Speaker 4: can be valuable now and I think he can be
22:30
Speaker 4: valuable in the future. And that's the same way I
22:32
Speaker 4: feel about Roman Wilson. He can be valuable now and
22:34
Speaker 4: he can be valuable for the foreseeable future. How about you, Max,
22:37
Speaker 4: here are some guys you're looking at, well.
22:40
Speaker 3: I mean I'm looking at you know, I'm really looking
22:43
Speaker 3: at that that right side, Like you said, no, Maxianachure.
22:46
Speaker 3: Now does Proderick Jones take the next step? Can he
22:49
Speaker 3: can he assume that role and kind of get himself
22:51
Speaker 3: into this contest and and make it a three way
22:55
Speaker 3: go Dylan Cook, Maxianachure, and Broderick Jones at the right
22:58
Speaker 3: tackle position.
23:00
Speaker 2: I want to see. I want to see what Kayden
23:02
Speaker 2: Weed you can do.
23:03
Speaker 3: He's the number one kicked punt returner, right, how does
23:07
Speaker 3: he look not only as a returner, but how does
23:09
Speaker 3: he look? Haws he figure into the wide receiver position
23:13
Speaker 3: as well, and how does that look? And then of
23:15
Speaker 3: course the running backs, right, Caleb Johnson, Lou Nichols, Travis
23:18
Speaker 3: Homer and company. Travis Homer getting a couple more opportunities,
23:23
Speaker 3: you know, to really do some stuff with with with
23:25
Speaker 3: the third squad, and Caleb Johnson trying to make a
23:28
Speaker 3: tryd to make a case for himself as well. So
23:29
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be looking for that. And then also, Carson
23:32
Speaker 3: Bruner is your number two linebacker. Malik Harrison is behind,
23:37
Speaker 3: said Carson Bruner. So how does that inside linebacker competition
23:41
Speaker 3: look and who can do more at that position to
23:44
Speaker 3: kind of steal their way into that top four of
23:47
Speaker 3: the linebacking crew.
23:49
Speaker 2: So those are some of some of the other ones.
23:51
Speaker 3: I think I'm right there with you on the rest
23:53
Speaker 3: of these battles, you know, at the wide receiver position
23:55
Speaker 3: with Roman Wilson, want to see how he takes the
23:57
Speaker 3: next step as well. But I think that's a really
24:01
Speaker 3: big one. And then I want to see I want
24:02
Speaker 3: to see these big boys up front. I want to
24:04
Speaker 3: see Sebastian, Joseph Day, you know, Gabe Rubio, how they
24:10
Speaker 3: look y a black as as that kind of nose guy,
24:13
Speaker 3: and seeing how they kind of insert themselves into this
24:17
Speaker 3: as they take the next step, and then how it
24:18
Speaker 3: translates to a stadium.
24:20
Speaker 2: So I'm all over the board with you.
24:22
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of guys that are intriguing
24:25
Speaker 3: and a lot of battles that are on that second
24:27
Speaker 3: line level that I want to see come to fruition,
24:30
Speaker 3: like who can do it and who.
24:30
Speaker 4: Can I think you bring up all really really great
24:35
Speaker 4: points in it, and it underscores just how many interesting
24:39
Speaker 4: battles there are on a team in which, you know,
24:42
Speaker 4: I really like their roster. I really like their roster
24:46
Speaker 4: one through fifty three, one through fifty eight. I think
24:49
Speaker 4: they've just done a very very nice job of building
24:52
Speaker 4: this roster out of adding to depth. But you're right,
24:55
Speaker 4: I mean, think about it. Look Caleb Johnson. I mean,
24:58
Speaker 4: the perception isn't We're not I'm not in the room
25:01
Speaker 4: with the coaches. I don't know what they're saying, but
25:03
Speaker 4: certainly the perception is that Caleb Johnson, a third round
25:06
Speaker 4: pick from a year ago, is fighting to make a roster.
25:10
Speaker 4: I mean, how many teams around the league can say that?
25:13
Speaker 4: Not many? And I think you've identified a lot of
25:17
Speaker 4: the other battles that are important. What's happening at that
25:21
Speaker 4: at that inside linebacker off the ball linebacker position. You know,
25:24
Speaker 4: can Carson Bruner become more than a special teams guy?
25:28
Speaker 4: And you know, is you know, is this new system
25:31
Speaker 4: going to help guys? Let's not forget too. You know,
25:33
Speaker 4: we talked a little bit about and I think Cayden Wegen,
25:36
Speaker 4: you know, I've been talking about playmakers on the offensive side.
25:39
Speaker 4: Match you know, Leegian is they drafted him to be
25:42
Speaker 4: a playmaker. And it's harder from that punt return game.
25:46
Speaker 4: It's harder from that kickoff return game. I mean, what
25:48
Speaker 4: are you gonna get? You hope you get a touchdown
25:51
Speaker 4: out of that, you know somewhere along the line to
25:54
Speaker 4: get you greedy, But can you pick up you know,
25:58
Speaker 4: can you be one of the leading punt returners kick
26:00
Speaker 4: returners in the league. To get you into that field
26:03
Speaker 4: position again, I cite my our friend Matt Williamson about,
26:06
Speaker 4: you know, some of the things that he brings up
26:08
Speaker 4: with kick returns and how important they are and how
26:11
Speaker 4: you know, if you can get it to a certain
26:12
Speaker 4: part of the field. You know, averages say you're gonna score,
26:16
Speaker 4: you're gonna come away with points on a drive, right,
26:18
Speaker 4: and what that point differential is from from a few
26:22
Speaker 4: yards and a kickoff return. So Leegian is a guy
26:24
Speaker 4: that they're hoping can be a game breaker without you know,
26:29
Speaker 4: necessarily being a guy who's gonna get a ton of
26:32
Speaker 4: offense steps, but he may get some snaps too, which
26:34
Speaker 4: would be interesting to see how they can feature him
26:37
Speaker 4: in there in that sort of turp en' roll that
26:39
Speaker 4: we saw down in Dallas as a as a guy
26:41
Speaker 4: that can you know, can help you in a number
26:43
Speaker 4: of different ways and hopefully make some places for you.
26:45
Speaker 4: So I'm glad you brought him up because I think
26:47
Speaker 4: he's an important guy for them. But you're right, you
26:50
Speaker 4: know where where are the depth chart is gonna shake out?
26:53
Speaker 4: And we've talked a lot about the offense, and I
26:57
Speaker 4: think rightfully so, because a lot of people were wondering
26:59
Speaker 4: about that. But then the defense, and you know, we
27:02
Speaker 4: talk about the new scheme. Because Mike McCarthy is the
27:04
Speaker 4: head coach, he's gonna put in his offensive scheme. You've
27:07
Speaker 4: got a brand new defensive coordinator, Patrick Graham, and it's
27:11
Speaker 4: been exciting to watch for me Mac in practice, these
27:14
Speaker 4: guys standing up and moving around and disguising blitzes and
27:19
Speaker 4: and doing things we haven't really seen the Steelers do
27:22
Speaker 4: in the past. And what can this mean for the Steelers?
27:26
Speaker 4: And who's best at communicating all these things? Is there
27:29
Speaker 4: a player out there who just can't seem to grasp it, well,
27:32
Speaker 4: he's got to go. Is there a player that this
27:34
Speaker 4: is going to free up and he's gonna move up
27:36
Speaker 4: the depth chart? It is that that side of the ball.
27:42
Speaker 4: We we I think a lot of people are focusing
27:44
Speaker 4: more of Mike McCarthy because he's the head coach and
27:46
Speaker 4: he runs the offense. But that defense, Max, it is
27:50
Speaker 4: going to be very very interesting to see what they're
27:53
Speaker 4: able to do.
27:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, I'm right there with you because I think
27:57
Speaker 3: you have to you have to give them that that
28:00
Speaker 3: that credence. You have to give them that room because
28:04
Speaker 3: it's very important. It's very important to see how it
28:08
Speaker 3: all shakes out. And and you know, there's still plenty
28:12
Speaker 3: of questions left to be answered. And I think that's why,
28:16
Speaker 3: you know, scrimmages like this kind of allow you to
28:19
Speaker 3: separate a little bit and create create a better idea
28:24
Speaker 3: of what that depth chart looks like for this team.
28:28
Speaker 3: Is is seeing, hey, who is going to be that too?
28:32
Speaker 3: Because as we get to this, and we talked to
28:34
Speaker 3: Omar Khan right yesterday, he talked about he's excited these
28:37
Speaker 3: three these three preseason games matter and how you advance
28:40
Speaker 3: from one to two and two to three, you know,
28:43
Speaker 3: that help that that develops the back half of your
28:45
Speaker 3: roster and that key positions and and do you take
28:49
Speaker 3: one extra dB versus you know, one extra you know
28:54
Speaker 3: linebacker in that moment, or do you take the extra
28:56
Speaker 3: running back that's also competing against that dB and that linebacker?
29:01
Speaker 2: Tight end? How does he fit into this?
29:04
Speaker 3: Do you keep an extra tight end or an extra
29:06
Speaker 3: you know, D lineman or outside line back? Like there's
29:08
Speaker 3: so many questions and and things are built off of
29:11
Speaker 3: each other. When you get to that way outside of
29:14
Speaker 3: your front line starting twenty five as I like to
29:17
Speaker 3: call it, because you know, specialists are people too, So
29:20
Speaker 3: there's three of those. But yeh, you're you're eleven offense,
29:23
Speaker 3: you're eleven defense, and your three specialists. Who's behind that?
29:27
Speaker 3: That's that matters? And how is it distrue to how
29:30
Speaker 3: do you how do you disseminate into the play share
29:33
Speaker 3: within the given mechanics of a game? You know, who's
29:36
Speaker 3: the first guy off the bench at D line, who's
29:38
Speaker 3: the first guy off the bench on the offense and
29:42
Speaker 3: the offensive line?
29:43
Speaker 2: You know who's your who's your who's your who's your
29:45
Speaker 2: third back?
29:46
Speaker 3: If one of them goes down mid game and has
29:49
Speaker 3: to pick up that payload of opportunity? Are we a
29:53
Speaker 3: twelve heavy team? So now that third tight end is
29:55
Speaker 3: going to get more work than when we're an eleven
29:56
Speaker 3: formation team from game to game. That matters. So all
30:00
Speaker 3: these different things all it's an intricate web that is
30:05
Speaker 3: weaved by you know, the scouts, the GMS, and of
30:08
Speaker 3: course the coaches with the personnel and what you can do?
30:12
Speaker 3: What can you show me? Right, We're not from Missouri,
30:15
Speaker 3: but tonight we're gonna be in the show me state,
30:17
Speaker 3: you know, and lessen the trope memorial, What can you
30:20
Speaker 3: show me to differentiate yourself from the rest of the pack.
30:24
Speaker 4: So true, And again, I think you bring up such
30:26
Speaker 4: a great point because if you are the sixth receiver,
30:31
Speaker 4: or the third or fourth running back, or the tenth
30:34
Speaker 4: offensive lineman or the full back, all four of those
30:39
Speaker 4: guys you know, might be competing for one spot on offense. Again,
30:44
Speaker 4: it might not be if you're not one of the top.
30:47
Speaker 4: Say let's say you know they're gonna just again a match.
30:50
Speaker 4: We're dreaming you're gonna we're daydreaming you're gonna keep ten
30:53
Speaker 4: offensive linemen. Okay, well, uh, you know, is that tenth
30:58
Speaker 4: offensive lineman better than we we're just talking about to
31:00
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame? What's a guard worth versus a
31:02
Speaker 4: safety versus a wide receiver? And the perception of those things.
31:05
Speaker 4: You know, who's better the sixth wide receiver or the
31:10
Speaker 4: or the tenth offensive lineman or the full back or
31:12
Speaker 4: the you know, you want to keep a running back.
31:15
Speaker 4: By the way, who do you think you can slide
31:17
Speaker 4: onto the practice squad? You know, those are part of
31:21
Speaker 4: a part of things. But right now you're a player
31:23
Speaker 4: You don't want to be thinking practice squad. You want
31:25
Speaker 4: to be thinking active roster. And this is an opportunity
31:28
Speaker 4: to show everybody what you can do.
31:30
Speaker 3: Yes, this is going to the flea market and showing
31:33
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31:45
Speaker 2: You know you should definitely buy this.
31:47
Speaker 3: You know you're going you're going to get into those situations,
31:50
Speaker 3: and that's what this is. You are auditioning for all
31:55
Speaker 3: thirty two teams when you step on that field for
31:57
Speaker 3: preseason work, and how how do you fare in those moments?
32:01
Speaker 3: That's going to be the key metric there.
32:05
Speaker 4: And this is the first step toward the first step,
32:08
Speaker 4: which is that preseason game coming up Thursday against Green Bay.
32:12
Speaker 4: More of that of course coming up on Monday and Tuesday,
32:16
Speaker 4: as Max and I will continue in the locker room.
32:18
Speaker 4: We're going to continue in the locker room by taking
32:20
Speaker 4: one very rapid dash down the twenty ten all defensive team,
32:25
Speaker 4: because that's all we have time for is a quick dash.
32:28
Speaker 4: But there's some fascinating names on here, and some guys
32:31
Speaker 4: who aren't in the Hall of Fame. Do they belong
32:33
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame. We are going to talk
32:36
Speaker 4: that over with Max Tarchigan. Here's opinions when we continue
32:39
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Speaker 4: Rapid fire. Here we go. Defense, So, by the way,
34:03
Speaker 4: all of our first teamers except full back the run
34:05
Speaker 4: j O'Neil, Sorry, the runs are you're a great fullback.
34:07
Speaker 4: We have as Hall of famers and most of the
34:10
Speaker 4: mariority in the Hall of Fame. Okay, So defense, first
34:13
Speaker 4: team defensive end is stray Hand and Freemy. They're in
34:16
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame. Correct, second team or Taylor and
34:19
Speaker 4: Peppers they're also in the Hall of Fame. So no
34:21
Speaker 4: case needs to be made for the defensive tackle. Seymour
34:25
Speaker 4: and Sap are your first team defensive tackles. They are
34:30
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame. Correct, No problems there, right, yes, Now,
34:37
Speaker 4: Leroy Glover and Kevin Williams are your second teamers. Neither
34:41
Speaker 4: is in the Hall of Fame.
34:44
Speaker 3: Don't think they will even though Larroy's that le Roy
34:46
Speaker 3: was a hell of hell of a guy. And Kevin
34:48
Speaker 3: Williams as well. He's a part of the Williams Brothers.
34:52
Speaker 3: As you will remember in Minnesota Vikings Lore him and
34:55
Speaker 3: Pat Williams.
34:56
Speaker 2: Kevin Williams and Pat Williams were they were they were
35:00
Speaker 2: were low.
35:00
Speaker 3: There were load going against those guys in an era
35:02
Speaker 3: where big bodies in the middle was was was a thing,
35:05
Speaker 3: It was a real thing.
35:07
Speaker 4: So Kevin Williams interesting, He's an interesting guy to me.
35:14
Speaker 4: Defensive tackle again, put up some really big sack numbers
35:18
Speaker 4: early in his career when he was at defensive end.
35:20
Speaker 4: They kicked him inside. The sack numbers dwindled a little bit.
35:24
Speaker 4: He has sixty three sacks for his career, but I
35:26
Speaker 4: mean he was a five time first team All Pro. Yeah,
35:32
Speaker 4: that's man, six time Pro Bowl. I think he's one
35:36
Speaker 4: of those guys that the Veterans Committee might take a
35:42
Speaker 4: long look at and say, well, wait a minute, man,
35:44
Speaker 4: maybe this guy, maybe we've been under selling what this
35:47
Speaker 4: guy's capable of doing.
35:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's gonna get tougher for Kevin
35:53
Speaker 3: just because we see the numbers. Right, Just think about
35:57
Speaker 3: like a geno Atkins, right, like yeah, like that's you're you're, you're,
36:01
Speaker 3: you're You're now getting into an era where d tackles
36:03
Speaker 3: are asked to do more. Aaron Donald's right, those are
36:07
Speaker 3: now the prototypes volunteer not as big, you know.
36:10
Speaker 2: Whereas you started getting smaller. I mean, he did it
36:13
Speaker 2: for his.
36:14
Speaker 3: Size at a very high clip. But like you said,
36:18
Speaker 3: you know, now we're gonna get into an era where
36:20
Speaker 3: if he gets into the finals in a normal way,
36:22
Speaker 3: he's probably not gonna make it because the numbers dictate
36:27
Speaker 3: differently now because the the stats are gonna be overriding.
36:31
Speaker 3: And like you said, it's gonna be a second look
36:33
Speaker 3: type of deal later in his career when he's a
36:35
Speaker 3: when he's a senior on the veterans side of it,
36:37
Speaker 3: that's when it'll start to play a bigger role as
36:40
Speaker 3: far as looking at just snapshot, how was he in
36:43
Speaker 3: this time period, given how the game was played, did
36:47
Speaker 3: he dominate? And and you'll get a yes from almost everybody,
36:52
Speaker 3: but it is gonna take that second look because you're
36:53
Speaker 3: gonna get these first ballot guys who are gonna have higher,
36:56
Speaker 3: higher statistical numbers.
36:59
Speaker 4: Okay, so here you're linebackers, are you ready? Ray Lewis
37:02
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame First team, per Lacker first Team Hall
37:05
Speaker 4: of Fame, Derek Brooks first Team Hall of Fame, Zach
37:09
Speaker 4: Thomas second Team, Hall of Fame, Good Marcus Ware second
37:13
Speaker 4: team Hall of Fame, Joey Porter second team, not in
37:17
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame.
37:21
Speaker 3: He's one that I think, you know, when you think
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Speaker 3: about the era and what he meant, he's a guy
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Speaker 3: that should get a significant look. I think his might
37:31
Speaker 3: be more press related when it comes to that. I
37:36
Speaker 3: think we'll have another guy up on this list that'll
37:38
Speaker 3: also not benefit from press related issues because you also
37:43
Speaker 3: have to think the prestigious you gotta be good on
37:45
Speaker 3: and off the field, and I think that's the only
37:47
Speaker 3: thing that really holds Joey back. But I think that's
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Speaker 3: something that with time, he could be another guy that
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Speaker 3: you can go back and compare his numbers just apples
37:56
Speaker 3: to apples without having the recency bias of what off
37:59
Speaker 3: the field might have looked like. Because I think Joey
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Speaker 3: deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He was
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Speaker 3: a leader, He was feared as a defender, and people
38:09
Speaker 3: did not want to go up against him and listen,
38:13
Speaker 3: and we call them the Hawaiian tropic abs that he
38:15
Speaker 3: would have pre game and he would intimidate. He just
38:18
Speaker 3: stalked the sideline. He just stalked the middle of the field.
38:21
Speaker 3: That's the reason why it's no longer at the fifty
38:23
Speaker 3: yard line where everybody gets fifty eight fifty yards each
38:27
Speaker 3: or forty nine and zero point nine to nine. It's
38:29
Speaker 3: now at the forty eight yard line. There's now that
38:32
Speaker 3: four yard kind of buffer zone, you know, the free
38:36
Speaker 3: trade zone that you're not allowed to walk in because
38:39
Speaker 3: of Joey Porter. So you're changing rules and you're also
38:43
Speaker 3: being a dominant player. Those things all way into it
38:45
Speaker 3: as well.
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Speaker 4: So he's by the way, you know, four time First
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Speaker 4: Team or four time Pro Bowl, one time All Pro.
38:55
Speaker 4: So those numbers, someone's gonna have to say, listen, it
38:58
Speaker 4: goes beyond the numbers Joey Porter, because otherwise, again you
39:02
Speaker 4: worry about those guys as the year ago, as the
39:04
Speaker 4: years go on. Unless players are looked at differently, Hey, listen, uh,
39:08
Speaker 4: you know these metrics say he was actually a better
39:10
Speaker 4: player than he was given credit for in his heyday.
39:14
Speaker 4: That's gonna be you know, someone's gonna have to stump
39:16
Speaker 4: for him, I think because he has fewer All pros
39:20
Speaker 4: and and and Pro Bowls and some of the other
39:22
Speaker 4: guys who also aren't in corner Charles Woodson, Champ Bailey,
39:27
Speaker 4: First Teams they're in second teams, ty Law Rendez Barber,
39:31
Speaker 4: they're in. That's what you'd expect from that position. First
39:35
Speaker 4: team Ed Reid and Brian Dawkins at the safety position. Uh,
39:40
Speaker 4: they're in. Troy Polamalo is uh is Again, I think
39:46
Speaker 4: because he was a he was a straddler, right, he
39:52
Speaker 4: did not make the first team, did not make the
39:55
Speaker 4: first team all decade because of you know that oh
39:59
Speaker 4: four or sort of being his first year, and and
40:04
Speaker 4: you know that's that's unfortunately that's the way it goes, right,
40:08
Speaker 4: that's you know, you get you find yourself in that
40:11
Speaker 4: position in which your prime straddled the two decades. And
40:15
Speaker 4: so but he's in the Hall of Fame where he
40:18
Speaker 4: obviously belongs. Darren Sharper not in the Hall of Fame.
40:22
Speaker 4: Don't know if Darren's gonna.
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Speaker 2: Make it, No, not.
40:25
Speaker 3: Once again, he's another one where we talk about the
40:28
Speaker 3: off the field also muddies some of some of the
40:32
Speaker 3: achievements on the field.
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Speaker 4: Darren Sharper, sec I just mentioned him. I'm sorry. Adam
40:38
Speaker 4: Vin Terry just went in right, okay in.
40:44
Speaker 3: In NFL history, the most accurate one now and the
40:47
Speaker 3: leader of all points score overall. He has more points
40:53
Speaker 3: even than Tom Brady.
40:54
Speaker 4: When you get into punter, kicker, punt returner, full back,
41:01
Speaker 4: you know, kick returner, it's hard, right, those are those
41:06
Speaker 4: are the first team guys. That was the caveat we
41:08
Speaker 4: didn't have yesterday because I don't think we really thought
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Speaker 4: it through. Our feeling was if you're a first team
41:14
Speaker 4: All Decade performer, you belong in the Hall of Fame.
41:18
Speaker 4: And I again, uh, you know, Leckler is the first
41:21
Speaker 4: team punter, Brian Mormon is the second team punter. Dante
41:25
Speaker 4: Hall how about this, Dante Hall was the first team
41:29
Speaker 4: punt returner, Devin Hester was the second team punt returner.
41:33
Speaker 4: But again Devin another one of those straddle guys straddle
41:36
Speaker 4: in the decades. Then Joe Cribbs at the kick returner,
41:39
Speaker 4: Dante Hall at the kick returner. So Dante Hall punt returner,
41:43
Speaker 4: one kick returner, two of those returners only and the
41:47
Speaker 4: punters only. Devin Hester is in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 4: So I think Max that we the point is proven,
41:55
Speaker 4: right if I think it's basically if you went through
41:58
Speaker 4: all the all decade teams, you would find that the
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Speaker 4: guys who are first Team All Decade are pretty much
42:05
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame. There might be an exception
42:07
Speaker 4: or two. If you're the second team all decade, you
42:10
Speaker 4: probably got a fifty to fifty shot. I can't specifically
42:15
Speaker 4: say the odds, but somewhere in that neighborhood of getting
42:18
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame. So I feel Max, I
42:20
Speaker 4: feel vindicated. I feel like we were accurate that if
42:23
Speaker 4: you're if you're a first team All Decade Hall of Famer,
42:27
Speaker 4: you're in the Hall of Fame. You belong in the
42:28
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. You should be in the Hall of Fame.
42:30
Speaker 4: And frankly, you probably are in the Hall of Fame.
42:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly, and you know, as a matter of time,
42:36
Speaker 3: and we talked about the very few exceptions are devalued
42:40
Speaker 3: positions or ones that you can't really quantify in tangible
42:46
Speaker 3: situations like Loredn's O'Neill and Lika Shane Leckler and like
42:51
Speaker 3: you said, Dante Hall, you know, I mean, yes, they
42:53
Speaker 3: had numbers, but you know, you have to be literally
42:56
Speaker 3: the most exceptional person at the position to get a
42:59
Speaker 3: show at some of those.
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Speaker 4: Max, as always my friend, enjoyed spending time with you.
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Speaker 4: I'm glad you had a great experience in the Hall
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Speaker 4: of Fame. It's awesome when you have a chance to
43:10
Speaker 4: be part of something like that, it is just really special. Thanks.
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Speaker 4: I look forward to talking to you on Monday. We'll
43:17
Speaker 4: start looking forward to this. We got this game coming
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Speaker 4: up on Thursday. Max, here we go.
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Speaker 3: He first dress rehearsal, cannot wait for the regular season.
43:26
Speaker 3: Preseason is upon us, and like I said, it got
43:29
Speaker 3: kicked off with the Hall of Fame. We were treated
43:32
Speaker 3: to a very awesome you know, first game debuts for
43:35
Speaker 3: a lot of rookies. So I expect that train to
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Speaker 3: keep coming and now swing at the Steelers stop.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all gonna be great, my friend, it's all
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Speaker 4: gonna be great to get to get started, to get
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Speaker 4: into it. Our thanks to Ed Troup for filling in
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Speaker 4: for a little while. Justin Miller at our controls in
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Speaker 4: the iHeart Studio. We thank Justin as always, and thank
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Speaker 4: you of course for listening for Max Starks, I'm Rob king.
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Speaker 4: Thanks for being with us in the locker room here
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