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NEW EVIDENCE: 1 in 4 Dead STILL Have 'Monster Clots' Since Pandemic · Man in America Podcast

• 0:14
  Speaker 1: Since COVID, something strange has been found inside the bodies of the people who've died. It doesn't look like normal blood clotting. Funeral home workers across the country say they're finding these large, white, rubbery material things inside veins and arteries, material that they never saw before 2021. Now by now, you've probably seen these images all over social media a couple years ago. They were everywhere, and you definitely saw them if you watched Died Suddenly.
• 0:43
  So what's actually being found? Why do doctors say some of this material is being thrown away instead of tested? And why have major medical organizations been so reluctant to even look into it? And perhaps the most important question we should be asking is why are embalmers still finding these clots today nearly half a decade after the shots rolled out? My guest today is Tom Haviland.
• 1:09
  He spent years asking these exact same questions, and today, he's gonna do his best to give us real answers. Tom is a retired US air force major and a former defense contractor. Now after losing his job for refusing the COVID vaccine, which props to him, he began collecting reports from funeral home workers across the country and around the world. Now if experienced professionals across five different countries are seeing the same unusual things happening in these human bodies year after year that all started occurring right after COVID, that deserves a real answer, not silence. Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad.
• 1:50
  I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. Before we start, make sure you hit that like button. It really helps get this information out to more people. Also, make sure you subscribe, share this video or podcast with someone that you think needs to hear it, and leave me your thoughts in the comments. I love reading through those.
• 2:04
  And remember, every show is done as a video and a podcast. So if you'd rather listen, find us on your favorite podcast app. And if you're on Apple Podcast, a quick review really helps us to get this information out to more people. Alright. Now let's get into my conversation with Tom Haviland.
• 2:20
  Mister Tom Havland, it's great to have you on the show. I'm looking forward to this discussion with you. So thank you for being here with us.
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me, Seth. A lot has happened over the last couple of years in the area of these unusual white fibrous clots. I'll show the audience here. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 2:38
  And and and
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: I you know, two, three, four years ago, this was well, everyone was talking about. Right? Especially, we had died suddenly coming out, and it was such a big deal. We had the videos coming out, from the embalmers and, you know, the people working at the the morgues and seeing this. And it's really faded, you know, kind of in the back in the news cycle and eve even the alternative news cycle because, you know, there's a lot of new things that are happening that everyone's focusing on, but the issue is still here.
• 3:09
  That's what we're getting into. And so, Tom, before we kinda dig into more of today's topic, give us a little bit of your background of how you even came to be, I'd say, one of the central researchers on these clots and on the effects of these the vaccines and this virus.
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Seth. I was I'm a retired US air force major, spent twenty years in the air force, retiring as a major, then spent sixteen years as a defense contractor working with the Air Force, doing data analysis, electrical engineering work. Love my job, had a great time. Was actually fired from my job because I refused to take the COVID-nineteen vaccine back in October 2021. There wasn't a big deal.
• 3:49
  Was already drawing retired major salary, and only a year away from drawing Social Security early at 62. So I decided to go into early retirement. I was watching that died suddenly in the November 2022. That's when it came out, premiered in the week of Thanksgiving in 2022. And in that movie, there was about six or seven embalmers that said they were finding these very unusual white fibers clots that they had never seen before in their corpses prior to COVID and the vaccines, they'd only seen two types of clots.
• 4:20
  What's called grape jelly clots. They look like dark grape jelly and dissolve easily in their hands. And then also what's called chicken fat clots, which are small yellowish in color and tear very easily. Much, much different than these large white fibers clots, which are tough, they're rubbery, the embalmers describe them as what looks like a calamari and kind of stretches like a rubber band that stretches back into place. So very unusual phenomenon.
• 4:46
  These are involvements with twenty, thirty years of experience. Never saw these things before, the years of COVID and the vaccines. So after watching that movie, I called the next day the Ohio Ballmer's Association, cause they were mentioned in the film. And I was able to verify with their then vice president, who then later on became their president, Mr. Woody Wilson, who runs a funeral home up in Marysville, Ohio, about an hour north where I live in Dayton, that he was seeing the same white fibrous clots in his corpses.
• 5:13
  So then I said, Oh, I now have corroboration from a legitimate senior officer in a Ohio Embolmers Association that he's seeing the same thing these six or seven embalmers are saying. So I decided right there and then with the help of my friend, Ms. Laura Kasner, to do a survey in The United States, Canada, UK, and Australia, New Zealand to see just how prevalent these new white fibers clots were and the timing of them when they came around. Because I had a sneaky suspicion, Seth, that the CDC and the FDA would not be looking into this problem, and I was right.
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I would say it's not just not looking into it, but I think actively discrediting, actively covering up, doing everything possible to prevent this information from coming out. Because even if you like, as you mentioned, if you're interviewing and talking to these embalmers that have been doing it for twenty, thirty plus years, and they had never seen this before. And all of a sudden, after this COVID vaccine rollout, that they're now seeing these you know, I'm I'm guessing in quite a lot of of the, the bodies that they're they're working on, That right there is is you could say is almost, it's it's it's evidence that you can't really dispute. Right?
• 6:30
  Exactly. It's like there there's something must have changed to cause this. Right?
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: Yes. And there's other high profile men too that say they've seen this phenomenon. One of them is Mr. Chris Calby Jr, who was the twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five president of the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association. Chris actually went on a few shows with me recently and said that he's currently seeing the white fibers clots in about 30 to 40% of his corpses.
• 6:55
  This is not a rare phenomenon. Another one is a Mr. Kevin Swired, who's the current president of the Manitoba Canada Funeral Services Association. He runs a funeral home in Winnipeg. And he says he's seeing the white fibers clots in his corpses.
• 7:10
  Mr. Dana Gadell, who is a board member currently of the Iowa Funeral Directors Association, has been seeing the white fibers clots in his corpses. Also, I've been invited two years in a row last year in 2025. And then again, in this year in 2026, to the Tennessee Funeral Directors Association's annual convention. Last year was in Nashville, this year was in Chattanooga.
• 7:31
  I was just down there a couple months ago on May 31, and ran an in person survey both years with those Tennessee embalmers. They're currently seeing the white fibrous clots in about eighteen percent of their corpses. So it tells you this is not a hoax. We have well respected men in the industry saying they're seeing this phenomenon. I also have an endovascular specialist and cardiologist from Jacksonville, Florida, Doctor.
• 7:53
  Mohana Basharuk, who admits that he's been removing these same white fiber clots from living people for the last five years in what's called a cath lab. It's a catheterization lab where it uses flexible catheters that either suck the clot out, scrape it out, or lasso and pull it out. So it's just it's flummoxing to me that the CDC and the FDA continue to pretend this is not an issue. They try to pan these all this. All these have always existed.
• 8:18
  They're just chicken fat clots of a different size, I guess. That's not true. And they're not checking with the embalming community and the funeral directing community and vascular surgeons, cardiologists, and the vascular specialists to confirm that these are indeed a new phenomenon and something quite unusual.
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: And so you said in talking to some of these individuals that they're seeing in the in the ballpark of even now, right, 30% plus of bodies that they're working on are having these clots. So so that that's current. Right? So they're they're still finding just as as many clots? Like, that seems to be
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: That's alarming. Because a lot of people took their last COVID vaccines way back in 2021. You know? About eighty percent of the American public took the vaccine back in 2021. Only about twenty percent of the American population over the age of 18 took the shots in 2022 and then going forward.
• 9:17
  So this could be an indication that the mRNA from the vaccines is persisting, is continuing to produce spike protein in some people, not everybody, but in some people to the point where it's We've been in touch with a scientific team that's basically shown that the culprit here is the spike protein, whether it's from the COVID virus or from the COVID vaccine. What's happening is it's binding with our natural blood clotting protein called fibrinogen. It's in our blood plasma that's used in the normal clotting process. And instead of converting it into a normal fibrin, which is used for a normal clot, is twisting it and making it misfold into what's called an amyloid protein, A M Y L O I D protein, just a fancy term for misshapen misfolded protein. But then it becomes all twisted and matted and mess and it becomes difficult for our natural enzyme called plasmid, P L A S M I N to then break down.
• 10:11
  So then the clots tend to persist and grow and become these monster clots. So that's what's happening in the human body. It's just like I said, perplexing that the CDC and the FDA don't want to begin to take a look at this when they have to know that it's happening by now.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: And so in this process of your your research, have you met with resistance? Have you met with whether it's, you know, funeral organizations refusing to talk to you or any government kind of stepping in, especially with your background, you know, with within, you know, serving, you know, in the armed forces, I'm I'm imagining that you might be on a map somewhere or you might be on someone's list, you know, kind of
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: on a
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: little yellow sticky note on this guy's desk.
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm on anybody's hit list or censorship list, but I have had tremendous amount of resistance in the four years that we did the survey. And what's great is recently, I had a paper published in a peer reviewed journal. This is the papers. It was published, Seth, in the International Journal of Innovative Research and Medical Science in July of this year. So it's been out there for about a month and a half now.
• 11:22
  And actually already has over 40,000 views and over 8,000 downloads. So the scientific community obviously is very interested in this topic. What it is, it's the results, the cumulative results of my four years of my what's called worldwide embalmer blood clot surveys that I ran in The US, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand. And every year I've run the survey, basically, there's been four key results to survey, Seth. Those are first of all, this is indeed a worldwide phenomenon.
• 11:50
  Embolmers in all those countries have seen the white fibrous clots. Secondly, it's the majority of embalmers. Every year I've done the survey, between sixty six percent to eighty three percent of the embalmers responding to the survey said they are indeed seeing these white fibrous clots. It is the majority of them, while we're seeing this phenomenon. Also, I guess the most shocking thing is the average number of corpses that the clots are in is twenty three percent.
• 12:14
  Almost one out of every four dead bodies has these white fibrous clots in them. So this is like I said, it's not a rare phenomenon. These things are quite prevalent. And then the fourth thing is the fact in my very first survey that I ran in 2022, I asked when you started seeing the clots. And there were a few embalmers that said they started seeing the phenomenon in 2020, which is interesting.
• 12:35
  That's the year we had COVID, but no vaccines yet. So like I said, that makes sense to me because there is a spike protein, which is the damaging part on the surface of the virus itself. And in some instances, it is able to get into a person's bloodstream, although somewhat rare. But then the number of embalmers seen the phenomenon exploded starting in 2021 after the rollout of the vaccines. Of course, as we know, it's much easier for the spike protein to get into your blood system because the shots are injected directly into the lipid nanoparticles carrying the mRNA all over the body.
• 13:07
  And then that mRNA starts telling the cells that it goes into to start manufacturing the spike protein. And as we believe now, it was only supposed to happen for just a couple of days to a week. And then the mRNA was supposed to go away. But that's not what happened, right? They are now finding the mRNA from the vaccine continuing to produce spike three and a half years, maybe indefinitely in some people after they've taken the shots.
• 13:30
  So we think this has really been disastrous for humanity is causing not just these white fibrous clots in another condition we've been tracking called micro clotting, but also turbo cancers, you know, miscarriages, myocarditis, nerve damage, all kinds of ailments. So it's been totally disastrous.
• 13:51
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• 15:25
  Is it something that's been kinda sitting in there for three years? Or
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: is Well, we think the clots can we're not sure if they can form quickly or if they can form slowly. We think they obviously conform slowly because people that may have taken the shots, like I said, four or five years ago are still showing up with these things. So what we think is happening is the clot is anchoring at some point along what's called the endothelial lining, the inner wall of your vein or artery. And these things appear on both sides, both the venous side and the arterial side. And then they start growing.
• 15:57
  And it may take a while for them to grow, maybe months, maybe years for them to grow. And they finally will reach a point where they find a completely occlude or block a important vein or an artery. And that's when a person has their stroke or heart attack. And that's when they wind up on the embalmers table. So the scary thing is people can be walking around.
• 16:17
  We know some instances of this where people have these clots in them, and they were walking around just fine a couple of weeks prior to them having their stroke or heart attack, asymptomatic. They felt fine. No problems whatsoever. As long as blood was able to flow around and continue to supply oxygen to those parts of the body, everything's okay. But when it finally then does block off that vessel, that's when you get your stroke
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: or heart attack, and that's when things go critical. So And so, are there any doctors that you've spoken to that are have kind of attributed these clots to illnesses and deaths that they're still seeing? Right? Is it something that is still are these still causing heart attacks and strokes, even to this day? Like, we still seeing this carryover effect from these you know, probably the vaccine primarily and then also, you know, the spike proteins within the virus itself?
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I absolutely believe that they are. You know, I was in touch, like I said, in March 2024 with Doctor. Mohana Basharan, who's an endovascular specialist and cardiologist in Jacksonville, Florida, who said he calls these things devious clots. He asked to go in, there's actually one procedure that was on TV. They didn't show the clot after it was removed, which was interesting.
• 17:31
  But they showed him removing a clot from a gentleman's leg. It was a DVT, a deep vein thrombosis in a gentleman's leg. I think he sent me an email with a photograph of that clot and it was a white fibrous clot. You can see it was covered in blood still, there was a pinkish cord running down through the middle of it that when it was washed off, it would become white, one of these white fibers clots. Unfortunately, Seth, about a month later, he sent me another email and said, Tom, I've been instructed to terminate communications immediately.
• 18:02
  Sorry for the inconvenience. You can see what happened there. Hospital administrator probably got to him. Told him, shut up, stop talking about this. Or else we're gonna go after your license, your board certifications.
• 18:14
  That's what's happening. I actually asked him in a telephone conversation before he cut off communications with me. What's happening with the clots that he removes the white fibrous clots? I said, they being sent to pathology for study? He says, No, they're just being thrown away.
• 18:29
  So the evidence is being destroyed, Seth. And the same thing's happening with embalmers as well. I've tried and tried the last four years to get as many organizations to take these surveys I've been doing. We use SurveyMonkey as the tool. We send it out in an email.
• 18:47
  We use a two pronged approach, a downward approach. We send it to the 50 national, regional and state funeral director associations, each with hundreds of members under them. Asking them to forward it down to their active involvement to take the survey. We also use a bottom up approach by sending the survey directly to over 1,700 funeral homes around the world in major cities, asking them to have their embalmer take the survey. Each year, we should have gotten about 5,000 responses.
• 19:15
  My best year was 2024. I only got three zero one responses. So that tells you right there, there's a hush-hushness about it, right? And I think one of the reasons is involved in the funeral directors, a lot of them who are in charge of these funeral director associations for each of the states, there are funeral directors themselves, right? And they run funeral homes and they probably mandated that all of their employees at their funeral home take the COVID-nineteen vaccine.
• 19:41
  So would you want your involvement to participate in a survey that might show a link between the vaccines and these white fibers clots if you mandated that all your employees take the shot? Probably not, So if one of your employees gets injured, they may come back and sue you for that. You might be liable for that. So that's where I think a lot of the reluctance is from these funeral director associations and funeral directors to want to end doctors as well to want to take the survey. Because the doctors, for example, they push the shots on their patients, right?
• 20:07
  They probably took the shots themselves because they were forced to take the shots themselves. So there might be a lot of cognitive dissonance going on. They may not want to know the answers to these questions. May feel a certain amount of guilt about pushing it on patients and loved ones. So that's where we're getting a lot of resistance.
• 20:23
  One of the organizations I've tried to get the to take the survey the last four years is the British Institute of Embalmers. And they've sent me back a email. Here's one of the letter I got from the British Institute of Embalmers. And they've declined every year to take the survey, Seth. It's kind of funny because on their website, they have a code of ethics.
• 20:45
  And key point number four in their code of ethics, whenever there's something unusual going on in the world of embalming, they're supposed to take a look at it and do research on it. Well, I think they're violating their very own code of ethics. They also recently, just last January, they did three very unusual things with their embalmers. They used to have an embalmers forum and a member's forum for their embalmers and funeral directors to be able to chitchat with each other online on their website. And I had an insider at the British Institute of Embolmers that used to post information about my four worldwide surveys asking them in fact to take the survey.
• 21:22
  Well, the leadership of the British Institute of Embolors decided to do away from that form completely. So they can't talk about the white fibers clots at all, nor any other subject. They also have a public relations media officer. And they said, if you ever gonna go on a podcast to talk about anything like these white fibers clots, make sure you check-in first with our public media relations officer. He wants to talk to you before you go on any show.
• 21:48
  And then they also reminded all the embalmers that, Hey, did you know there's a Human Tissue Act of 2004? And we're interpreting that to mean that whatever you remove from a dead person's body, even these white fibrous clots, you're not allowed to keep. You must throw those away. That's not yours. That's not yours to keep.
• 22:06
  So they're encouraging their membership to destroy the evidence. Yeah. To me, that's totally unethical. Remember, if embalmers, funeral directors, cardiologists, endovascular specialists, vascular surgeons, they're the only ones that see what's going on inside our veins and arteries. Right?
• 22:24
  So if they don't tell us, we, the public, don't know what's going on inside.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I think that it's safe to say that there is a massive coordinated global cover up conspiracy. I mean, that it's the only way to like, if you imagine anything else like this, that you found the same behavior around the world, you it it would be shocking, actually. It'd be shocking to to even think about that. Like, what hold on. How is this being coordinated on a on a global level so that these embalmers in The UK or other countries are on the same kinda hush-hush zipped lips orders, you know, even, you know, in these letters coming back to you, them getting rid of the forum, or this could be talked about.
• 23:11
  I I mean, going through this process of your research, you're someone that spent your your career, in many ways, serving or working for the government. And I think that you as you piece things together, you realize that the government was at the center of a lot of this. And, you know, in government, I think you could also say it's it's the pharmaceutical industrial complex, the military industrial complex, the intelligence agencies. It's a big kind of blob that exists. But how is I guess, how has that felt for you to go from your career and and and your faith in the constitution and the nation to then realizing that the same government that you were helping to protect, obviously, protecting the people here that you served and were very dutiful.
• 23:59
  How has that been on you in that process?
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: It's been painful, Seth. You know, on two accounts. First of on a personal account, when in October 2021, when I was mandated to take an experimental drug against my will, the leadership, the generals and the colonel that was working at Wright Patterson Air Force Base Ohio, they were basically passing down an illegal order. You're not allowed to tell somebody they have to take an experimental drug, which the COVID-nineteen vaccine is and was. Thank goodness that Pete Hegs have finally eventually came out and said, you know what?
• 24:33
  That was the illegal order they gave. He admitted that. And then of course, he invited the men and women who had been kicked out to come back in the service. I think very few of them did because I think a lot of them didn't wanna come back and work with people that threw them under the bus. The other thing that was tremendously damaging and disappointing was when I found out through Tom Renz, the attorney along with Lieutenant Colonel Teresa Long and others that the US military had fudged their DMed database, which Theresa Long, who's a doctor that was inside the system, tremendous rises.
• 25:07
  They got two hundred, three four hundred percent rises in strokes, heart attacks, miscarriages, Aneurysms. Nerve damage, all kinds of, you know, from after the troops were mandated to take the COVID-nineteen vaccine. The folks in the Department of Defense went back and they changed that data. They fixed the data. They said the data was wrong and they fixed it to make it look like nothing had happened.
• 25:31
  Like there was no great increase after the COVID vaccines were released. So think about that. They went back and they fudged the data, which is just horrendous, right? So it opened my eyes and I guess maybe I had been a little bit naive, because I had been proud of all my years of service, but wow, it was a heavy blow for me. Because I expected more integrity from our leadership.
• 25:57
  When I saw that lack of integrity, both mandating the shots and obeying what was basically an illegal order, which you're supposed to refuse, we take an oath as an officer to refuse that. You have to obey all lawful orders, but you also have to disobey any unlawful order.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if if the air force if if the general gives you an order to, you know, let's say, poison the water source of a small town somewhere and and you know you're gonna be killing women and children, you know, I mean, unless we're at times of war, but even even then, that would probably be considered a war crime, and so you should still, you know, not
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: not do it.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: But, you know, you would reject that, I'm sure, and and because it gets you know, it kind of it bridges or crosses the gap of now you're getting into your your moral conscience, you know, that kind of behavior. And so, I mean, if if our own if the institutions that are supposed to be protecting us, the institutions that are supposed to be protecting our troops and our soldiers are the very ones force that had forced this upon them, but then also covered it up. Right? And that that that also that that kinda makes it a lot worse, right, that they did this thing.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: They don't know if they may cover it up. They won't admit wrong. They won't admit fault at all. You're right.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: What is, again, coming from your history of being within that this system, what is what does that tell you about our future as a nation if our own government, our own military that's supposed to protect us is acting like this? Are the long term ramifications of this?
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: It's a sign of weakness, isn't it? You know, I've also seen weakness in the in the in general populace as well because so many people who've taken the vaccines, they just and they've stopped. Right? Like I said, eighty percent of people over the age of 18 took at least the first two jabs back in 2021. Now we believe it's less than ten percent taking the COVID vaccines.
• 27:50
  But how many of those people that have now stopped taking them have told you, man, I made a big mistake. I never should have taken those things. I caught COVID anyways. I'm worried about possible side effects that I'm hearing about now, like these clots and turbo cancers and things like that. How many of them have actually come out admitted their fault, that they made a mistake?
• 28:09
  Very few. They're carrying too much pride. And pride cometh before the fall. And I think, you know, that's the problem is we haven't addressed this issue because people, first of all, haven't admitted there was mistakes were made, that there's this horrendous, tremendous poisoning of the population or potential poisoning of the population that's going on with these COVID-nineteen vaccines. And a lot of people don't even want to admit that the COVID virus was man made in the lab.
• 28:39
  That's pretty much settled science now based upon Anthony Fauci's own notes, from the diary that they collected on Fauci. He had notes of the meeting that he had in February 2020. January or February 2020, where he talked to about 12 scientists on a phone call, and 10 of the 12 said that they suspected that the virus was developed in the Wuhan lab. And fairly convinced Fauci, he wrote down in his notes that he thought that was true. But then he went on TV and told the public the exact opposite, right?
• 29:19
  That the lab leak theory was far fetched. And it was a bad, you know, in the wet market in Wuhan that caused the spillover. So it's shocking. But how many people know that? How many people have actually dug into the information to see what Fauci said in his own words?
• 29:36
  So very few, right? So now we still have this delusion going on, not just in the military, but in the general populace as well, with not everybody. I'd say at least half the populace though, still doesn't realize and I get it. They wanna move on. They're tired of COVID.
• 29:52
  COVID was a bad time for everybody. But you can't move on when these things are still being found in twenty percent of corpses. And when we suspect there may be a lot more damage coming down the road for people. I was watching a YouTube video the other day with Doctor. Philip McMillan and Doctor.
• 30:10
  Shankarachetti talking to a gentleman scientist in Germany named Joachim Gerlach. And he was showing some slides in that interview, Seth. And they've done testing for spike protein positivity levels in the population in Germany. And he tested 700 people. I know that wasn't that large a sample size, of the 700 people, general populace, these are people, some of them have taken the shots, some have not taken the vaccines.
• 30:39
  Some of them were asymptomatic, some of them were symptomatic. They were showing long COVID or long vax symptoms they were dealing with. But it was basically a swath of the general populace. And of those seven hundred people, sixty six percent of them had positive spike protein in their bloodstream. Two thirds.
• 31:00
  So this, you can whistle past the graveyard, but we may be in serious trouble here, and whistling past the graveyard isn't gonna save you from what's going on inside your body.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: You mentioned calling to dissonance, and and people not wanting to acknowledge this. You also mentioned the the pride.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Do you
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: think that there's also an element of fear in in you know, and we're kinda getting into that more kinda called into dissonance. Like, you don't wanna acknowledge something very bad has has happened. Do you that's part of it as well that people that got the shot that perhaps suspect that, like, you know, they they've seen enough headlines floating around, and maybe they saw the cover of died suddenly, and they've got worried. Do you think there's lot people that maybe it's not necessarily out of pride, but it's actually out of they're really, really scared. And so they just kinda wanna ignore it.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. You know, and fear is what's got them in trouble in the first place. That's
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: probably That's true.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: And there's a whole sly out bars. Right? The chyrons on CNN, you know, many cases ordered a day, how many people are dead from the virus, you know, they pushed it and pushed and pushed it and told us, you know, the only way out of this was to take the COVID-nineteen vaccine. And people were respond, they respond to fear. They respond to that kind of pressure.
• 32:17
  And they do things maybe they wouldn't normally do. They maybe didn't sit back and think about, wow, this is a brand new technology, mRNA technology that with a lipid nanoparticle delivery system. And Moderna had never had a successful patent to market in their history until this particular one. So it was just like, they didn't do the research that may have told them to stop. Think about what you're doing before you do it, because they were given this fear story, right?
• 32:46
  And they were told the only way out of it was to take these vaccines. None of us are safe until all of us are safe. Something like that, right? Which that didn't make sense because if you took a vaccine and the vaccine works really well, why do you care if I take it or not? You're protected already, right?
• 33:01
  Once you take the vaccine. So I was always perplexing as to why the people who have taken the vaccines were always so hard pressed to want to make the unvaccinated take the vaccine. You shouldn't worry about it. If you're vaccinated and the vaccine works, you're good.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: It kinda reminds me of, the the drunk guy at the party who who and maybe you don't drink or you're driving at night, and he wants you to be drunk with these. He keeps trying to pressure you. Oh, come on. Just have a few drinks. Right?
• 33:26
  It's it reminds me of some of that kind of behavior. Right?
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Misery loves company. Yeah.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so right. Give give it
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: give us psychologically, were going on there. You're absolutely right, sir. Yeah. And and I,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: you know, and I've I've thought a lot about this, and I and I try to I try to have compassion and empathy because the you mentioned the psychological operation. And, obviously, with your, you know, service background, you you understand you know, you weren't working in, you know, the kind of special ops or the, you know, kind of psychological operations division, but you understand the power of these in in war. And I think if you look at the campaign on the media, social media, I mean, it was a very, very coordinated psychological operation, and social engineering campaign. And I think there's a lot of people that had their good nature used against them, and they and they made these decisions. This is also why, you know, I take a little bit of a I don't wanna say offense, but, you know, I'm I I don't like hearing some of the conservative or, you know, alt right or whatever podcasters, you know, referring people as, like, the vaccine dummies or zombies or, you know, they they kind of looked down upon these people.
• 34:35
  But, actually, you know, these people, they're fundamentally, they're victims of a mass probably the most probably the most the largest global sock psychological operation that we've ever seen in the history of mankind. And oftentimes, it was targeting their own good nature. It was saying, look. If you wanna take care of your grandmother, if you wanna be responsible, if you wanna be a good part of society and Americans have been trained to be a good part of society. It's been built into our school system and our ethos, there's good things about that.
• 35:05
  But I think these people were, you know, they really taken advantage of in a
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: very bad Totally agree with you. You know, especially the don't kill grandma thing was very effective, right? Because you're right, nobody wants to kill their grandma. People started thinking twice, think, Seth, when they started hearing that, okay, now your child has to take a shot in order to protect grandma and grandpa. That's something our society never dealt with before.
• 35:30
  We were always, no, no, the elderly sacrifice for the youth, not the other way around. So there was a lot of people started really going against the vaccines and rightfully so, when they started saying, now the kids need to take the vaccine, and the kids need to wear masks, and the kids need to do this in order to protect the elderly. So, you know, I'm not buying that at all. And I think a lot of people started turning against the vaccines when that started coming down the pike, and rightfully so, because our youth should never have to sacrifice for the elderly.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: That's a good point actually. Yeah, that's a good point.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: And the people that are working age should have been allowed to keep on working because they were very little risk too. The misinformation was so bad by CNN, ABC, NBC, even Fox. They were talking about the death rates and things like that. And they were off by magnitudes. Case fatality rate for COVID wound up being about zero point three percent, right?
• 36:28
  So, you know, three out of one thousand people that caught COVID, you know, passed away from it. And a lot of those probably because they got poor treatment when they got to the hospital, ventilators and remdesivir. Denied ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and things that could help them not even go to the hospital.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Or they died in a car crash and they ran a PCR test that said, oh, yep. Here's a COVID death.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: But only about two percent of people that caught COVID actually wound up having to go to the hospital for it, being hospitalized. But in the early days when they asked the populace with polls, what percentage of people that catch COVID have to go to the hospital, they thought it was fifty percent. They were away because that's what the TV was pretending was going on, right? Well, if you catch COVID, this terrible, right? And we got to trace it down.
• 37:14
  We got to trace everybody who you were in contact with for the last five days. So they blew it way out of proportion. I'm not saying the virus itself is not dangerous. Like I said, I think if it gets in the bloodstream, it can cause these things. So there is some danger to COVID, but I think it was blown way out of proportion and was used in a campaign of fear to purposely get people ultimately to take these COVID vaccines.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I also think so even looking at the COVID virus itself, it I also could be more accurate just to refer to as a as a bioweapon, as a a a path you know, a weaponized pathogen that was created in a lab. Alright? You know, Ralph Barrack, you know, kinda came, I think, out of our own United States, you know, military industrial complex and pharmaceutical industrial complex, was then coordinated with China, released over there, and then, you know, pointed to, you know, the this framing story that it was a bat at a wet market. So it's it's it makes sense that if you think about the things that we're seeing, these you know, the blood clots not just the blood clots, all the other unnatural things that we saw,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: what's this what's it mean
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: to be unnatural? Right? It's something that doesn't exist naturally in nature. And a lot of things that man concocts in labs are unnatural things that have unnatural behavior like this.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. In fact, I wrote an article yesterday for the substack that I have with my assistant, miss Laura Kasner. The title of the article is called Pitting the Tail on the Chimeric Donkey. Chimeric, by the way, just a fancy biological term, means a lab made, man made gene or protein created by mixing pieces from different species.
• 38:54
  For example, like fusing mouse and human parts together. And basically, what this article talks about is that in 2015, Seth, five years before the pandemic hit, Ralph Baric and a couple other gentlemen filed a patent application for a bat coronavirus, chimeric one, they were able to make, build using three existing bat coronaviruses. They took their best of features in terms of being able to replicate faster and also be more infectious to humans and made a man made virus from them in 2015. And they filed a patent application. That is the patent application right there.
• 39:44
  If you look at the one column on the left about halfway down, you'll see it was filed on March twenty twentieth of twenty fifteen, right there. Yeah. And if you go to the upper right hand corner, you'll see that it was actually granted then on three years later on February 18. It actually became visible in 2017. The patent office, while it's being looked at and considered for granting the patent, And after the first couple of years, they'll actually display it for the world to see.
• 40:15
  So in 2017, they actually made that patent application visible to the world. And then of course, companies like Moderna and Pfizer saw that. And what they did is they use this same technique that Ralph Baric describes in this document to actually build the COVID vaccines. So yeah, methods for Methods
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: and compositions for chimeric coronavirus spike proteins.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Bingo. So that tells us they lied to us. Remember in 2021 when the vaccines were being worked on and came out, they said, hey, these vaccines, there's a miracle of science. In just six to nine months, we were able to develop this. No.
• 40:57
  They had the spike protein five years before that, right? Like I said, Moderna and Pfizer probably started working in 2017 on the vaccine to come up to counter thing. So that's why it only, it was able to come out in late twenty twenty, right? They actually started getting shots in arms right around December 2020, just after the election. They actually had the solution before then.
• 41:23
  Remember in November, they decided to withhold it and it wound up hurting Trump. Because if they were to come out before November 2020 during the presidential election, then Trump could have said, Hey, see, a feather in my cap, right? We did Operation Warp Speed and came out with a vaccine before the election even. But they waited to announce it after the election, after Joe Biden won. And then of course, it became Biden's vaccine, which he then mandated on everybody.
• 41:50
  Trump still loves him too, right? Trump still loves Operation Warp Speed. So this thing shouldn't be political, right? Because these white fibers clutched, Seth, they form in Republicans just as easily as they form in Democrats. They're an equal opportunity killer.
• 42:04
  So but it's yeah. It's just a shame, and it shows you that we were lied to. There was not a miracle of science.
• 42:11
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• 42:58
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• 43:19
  Speaker 2: They knew about the ability to make manmade spike pro coronavirus spike proteins. And then, obviously, then vaccines to counter those as well and, you know, get them into the population.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: And have you seen any success in trying to fight back against this? And, you know, you know, obviously, as you you said, you're retired now, and I think that from what I can see, you're you're quite focused on this. This is almost like your post retirement career is exposing, you know, white fibrous clots in in the vaccines and digging into this. And so in that process, have you seen examples of of just progress in this, of people admitting the failure and and acknowledging this? Have you seen any progress there?
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I think we are starting to. Right? I mean, what happened this last month with Anthony Fauci's diaries, and then as also his government issued cell phone came out. One of the things, by the way, they found in the Fauci diaries is Fauci in 2021 himself had a dangerous pulmonary embolism. Did you know that?
• 44:27
  Yeah, he had a blood clot, may have been one of these, right? Caused by these things, six months after he got his two Moderna shots. He got his two Moderna shots in early twenty twenty one. He's one elderly, so he's one of the first ones to get the vaccine. But remember, we didn't know about that the public.
• 44:44
  He writes in his notes that his doctors at Johns Hopkins were concerned, they immediately put him on Eliquis, a clot busting drug to try to get rid of the clotting that was going on. Cause a pulmonary embolism is a dangerous blood clot in your lungs. And it has to be very careful, you know, it can kill you. So just think about that. Anthony Fauci, at the same time he's going on TV telling the world that these vaccines are safe and effective, he's dealing with a dangerous pulmonary embolism that may have been caused by the Moderna vaccines that he took six months earlier.
• 45:16
  That's how sinister this is. The good news is, senators like Ron Johnson, in fact, we're gonna see Ron next month. I'm going to a children's health defense conference in Washington DC. It's a one day conference next month. I've already talked to Ron in person twice at a couple of his previous hearings, but I'm gonna get it next month.
• 45:35
  I'm gonna make close to personal again. And then also the paper now that we have, I think Ron's gonna respond to this because now we have in the, like I said, the peer review literature, the results of my four annual surveys, along with another paper in that same July issue of the International Journal of Innovative Research and Medical Science, which talks about how the clots are forming based upon work from the scientific team that Richard Hirschman, the emboldener, and I have been in touch with. So hopefully, Ron will then have hold a hearing similar to the one he held held a couple months ago on turbo cancers and the one that he did last year on myocarditis. We're hoping that he has one now that features the white fibrous clots. So I think it's time.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: And do you think that the it's the mRNA technology itself that's introducing these spike proteins? Because I know that a lot of the flu shots and a lot of the other vaccines that they're now coming out with are built upon mRNA technology. And I also know that the I think there's a CDC that recently awarded a, you know, huge amount. It's just an insane amount of money to the pharmaceutical companies to continue developing COVID vaccines and mRNA technology. And so do you think that there's a chance that the continued, kind of, emergence of these clots in people is, in addition to the original COVID vaccine, and the spike protein still doing their work, that some of it could also be the result of just people say getting a flu shot and that having mRNA technology.
• 47:10
  Do you think there's any chance of that happening?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: I absolutely think it's a possibility, Seth. Right now, addition to the COVID vaccines that are out there by Pfizer and Moderna, there's two other mRNA shots that are on the market right now. One of them is an RSV shot for the elderly. What's interesting is they asked for approval for that for infants as well. And the FDA actually denied that because the clinical trial data was so bad that the cohort, the babies that got the mRNA RSV shot suffered more RSV cases than the babies in the placebo group.
• 47:44
  So they couldn't approve it for that. Thank goodness. The other one that they just got approval for, Moderna got approval for an mRNA shot for the regular flu. That was just done within the And we are concerned, myself and the scientists that looking at this because not only in the case of the COVID vaccines, the mRNA payload was a modified RNA that produces the spike protein, which I said is binding with our fibrinogen to cause these. But another culprit in forming these is the phospholipid nanoparticles that deliver the mRNA to the cells.
• 48:23
  Remember, that's the hollow ball, right? The package that the mRNAs put inside, that's so small they can go through all around the body. In fact, they can cross the blood brain barrier as well. And then that distributes the mRNA and gets taken in almost like a Trojan horse, right? The cell wants to eat fat and the phospholipid nanoparticle is a fatty particle.
• 48:45
  So the cell then eats the lipid nanoparticle, then once it's inside the cell, the lipid nanoparticle releases, it opens up to release its mRNA payload. It tells the cell to now instead of being a heart cell or a kidney cell, you're gonna be a cell that produces the spike protein. That's your job for now on. That's what's the case in COVID right? Now on these new shots, there's a different what's called antigen inside that the mRNA, the modified RNA is going to tell the cell to produce something else, not the COVID-nineteen spike protein, but also a protein to counter RSV or a protein to counter the regular flu.
• 49:27
  The problem is at moment that phospholipid nanoparticle opens up inside the cell, it's exposing its phosphorus heads. Phosphorus And heads, they love to bind with our natural fibrinogen. So we believe that any mRNA shot in the future using this phospholipid nanoparticle technology is going to cause these things as well as probably the other conditions such as the turbo cancers, myocarditis. So it's just a failed platform, The platform, because first of all, old style drugs, vaccines that were put into the antigens already in the vial and it's injected into you and there's only a certain amount in there. Then once it's used up, it's gone.
• 50:13
  Remember in the case of the mRNA vaccines, you're being injected with the instructions to make the antigen, right? And if the instructions never turn off, they were supposed to leave your body in just a couple of days a week. But if they stay in your body for years afterward, or maybe for the rest of your life, intending to make the antigen, how do you control the dosage amount that you're going to get? You don't. Right?
• 50:35
  So they can't control the dosage amount. And part of the time they can't even control the protein that's being made. About 10% of the time, the mod RNA from the vaccines is producing what's called nonsense or aberrant proteins through a process called frame shifting, where our ribosomes actually misread the modified RNA from the code. So then it's producing these nonsense proteins that could be dangerous as well and cause to these kinds of things like the collection of the amyloid. So they can't control where the shots go.
• 51:02
  And by the way, the nanoparticles like going to women's ovaries, men's testicles, and can affect fertility. They can't control where the shots go. They can't control how long the shot lasts. They can't control your dosage amount. And they can't control the protein that it makes 10% of the time.
• 51:18
  So it's just a totally failed technology not ready for human use. And the sooner, but big farmers got years, decades of research and billions of dollars invested in this technology. And they've already got the runway now to roll the shots out without having to go through you know, real a lot of scrutiny, right? Because they say, Oh, we're just we're using the just a different antigen inside the same vehicle we used last time. And you proved it last time, so you gotta approve it this time.
• 51:46
  So that's what and that's what they're banking on.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: So where do we go from here? The people that are watching this, that have been following this, that are just so upset, what what can we do? What power do we have?
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Well, the power Don't expect the big pharma, your medical institutions, your governments.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Expect them
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Don't expect them to save you. You have to bone up yourself. You have to be a critical thinker. And my advice to the people is not to take any mRNA based vaccine, whether it's a COVID vaccine or any of these in the future because of the dangers involved. So people don't have to make up their own mind.
• 52:29
  But, know, I think I said, I think most the fact that only less than ten percent of people are now taking the COVID shots, that should tell people something, right? That should be an indication that the uptake went from eighty percent all the way down to less than ten percent. So people are figuring it out. And, you know, a lot of people, they know because they've in their own personal friends or their families, they know somebody who they suspect was either injured or killed by the COVID-nineteen vaccine. That's how prominent this is.
• 52:58
  It's not rare.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: It's it's really it's it's much worse than we thought, unfortunately, if you look at just the the the carryover of this and the longevity of what this is doing. But but you're right, in saying just just educate yourself about this, which is that's why, you know, we're doing the shows like this. This is why you've got your your Substack. Right? Which I'll make sure that we put your Substack link in the, show description.
• 53:23
  It's actually laura kasner dot substack dot com. So it's laura, then k a s n e r dot substack dot com. And I think that that's just one of the keys is that we need to educate ourselves. We need to share this information. Thankfully, there's less restriction on social media before your substack will probably get someone's Facebook account put into jail for thirty days if it was shared.
• 53:46
  But I'm seeing that even YouTube has has kinda let off on some of this. And and maybe that's intentional. Maybe it's like, well, the damage is already done. Let them feel like they're fighting some sort of battle, and we're gonna slip it into the other shots. So, you know but, anyway, I think it's important to educate ourselves on this and, I think, prepare and understand that there's probably another version of this coming on the pipeline.
• 54:06
  Right? May and maybe the COVID nineteen was just the the first round in a series of operations.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And Seth, the other thing I wanna do before we wrap up is I wanna make a challenge. I wanna challenge the CDC, the FDA. Go get some of these white fibers clots. There's plenty out there.
• 54:25
  There's a whole bunch of embalmers. Richard Hirschman from Alabama is willing to send them to you. Mr. Chris Calvi Jr, who was the twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five president of the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association. They'll send you clots, you can trust him.
• 54:39
  And it's not just them, right? It's the Mayo Clinic, the Cleveland Clinic, Johns Hopkins, Stanford, MIT. Where are you on this? Why haven't you gotten your own samples of the clots? Where's your curiosity?
• 54:53
  Why haven't you investigated this phenomenon that we think is affecting a large portion of planet? If it's in these white fibers clots are in twenty three percent of the dead, well, percent of the living are walking around right now with either these or what's called micro clots forming inside them? Micro clots are much smaller. The embalmers see them as what looks like coffee grounds and the blood draining off the corpse. And that's actually after they become very large.
• 55:16
  At microscopic level, they couldn't even see them with the eyeball. But they block your capillaries, your very small blood vessels. And then they can block the exchange of oxygen at the lung, and then they carry that oxygen into all the major organs of your bodies, including your brain, your eyes, when you have very small blood vessels in them. That's why we think a lot of people are experiencing brain fog or vision problems, I have micro clotting going on inside their head. This is happening.
• 55:42
  Medical community, the universities, they know it's happening, but yet they refuse to investigate it. So shame on them. And I'm challenging them now. Like I said, Johns Hopkins, MIT, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, get off your rear ends, get some of these clots, start looking at this unusual blood and and do your research. Because they've got hundreds of millions of dollars at their disposal, unlike the ragtag team that Richard Hirschman and I have been working with.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I think it's also get a backbone. You know, stand up for what's right. Stand up for not what's convenient. Go against the system if the system has turned evil. Okay?
• 56:21
  It it's our it's our duty, not just as Americans and and following the constitution, but I it's it's our duty as human beings. It's like the the the kind of famous quote of all it takes for evil to exist and is for good men to do nothing. And that's the thing is that there's a lot of of men that maybe think that they're good people, but they're not doing anything about this because it might threaten their career, it might threaten their reputation, their money, income. And I think that's that's one of the the keys here is that, I I really hope that more people, especially people that are in positions to do something about this, actually do what it takes to to stand up against this.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Amen. I couldn't have said it better myself, Seth. Well well said.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Tom, it's great great speaking with you. Also, a fellow Ohioan. It's always nice. We we we chatted before we started recording.
• 57:10
  And is it what your your grandparents, I think, grew up, you you know, were living
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: My mother and father lived in Plain City.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Where you're from. Yeah. I'm originally from Marion. It's where I'm from. Oh, okay.
• 57:21
  My whole family.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Okay. Yep. So that's why we're both smiling and we're friendly because we're good old midwestern genes. That's right.
• 57:29
  Yeah. Well, Tom, thank you again for for doing what you're doing. Thank you for giving us your time. I encourage people to to subscribe to your Substack. Gonna be very important.
• 57:37
  Getting this information out. Share it. Share this interview. And, hopefully, you know, we we can keep at this and get more people aware of what's happening.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's a free Substack too. There are no charge for it whatsoever.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: There we go. Great. Well, Tom, thank you again. It's always it's nice to nice to speak with you. Thank you.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Seth.
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