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3/10/26: US Scrambles On Depleting Munitions, Trump Begs Ships To Cross Strait Of Hormuz, Epstein Prison Guard Cash Deposit · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 1: Wiker is a longtime friend of mine and he is
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Speaker 1: the senior national security editor at nineteen forty five dot com. Brandon,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: It's good to be here, absolutely so, Brandon. You've been
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Speaker 1: a longtime expert. Really here looking at munitions, US defense readiness,
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Speaker 1: and we have a lot of things to talk to
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Speaker 1: you about. First is some major breaking news. Guys. We
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Speaker 1: can gohe and put it up here on the screen
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Speaker 1: we are getting reports now from the United States is
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Speaker 1: going to be moving parts of FAD anti missile systems
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Speaker 1: from South Korea to the Middle East, in addition to
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Speaker 1: multiple Patriot interceptors from a cost the Indo Pacific. So, Brandon,
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Speaker 1: this is something you and I had predicted at the
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Speaker 1: very outbreak of the war. We're only about ten days
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Speaker 1: or so into this already cannibalizing stockpiles for a much
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Speaker 1: more geopolitically important part of the US interest. But more importantly,
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Speaker 1: what does this say about US defense stockpiles readiness and
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Speaker 1: how the war is going with Iran right now?
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Speaker 3: Well, it certainly puts to bed the claim by heg
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Speaker 3: Seth and runs counter to it that we have total
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Speaker 3: control over the situation and we're doing so much American amazing,
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Speaker 3: you know, raw rab blowing up things. Well, ultimately we've
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Speaker 3: blown through our critical stockpiles and Scentcom the report before
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Speaker 3: the war began was that Scentcom had for a high
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Speaker 3: tempo war about eight days worth of these weapons that
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Speaker 3: we needed before we would need to start cannibalizing it.
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Speaker 3: So we're at day ten, so we got a couple
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Speaker 3: of days out of it. But this is an indicator
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Speaker 3: that the war is not going well and certainly not
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Speaker 3: winning anything, and in fact, now we are starting to
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Speaker 3: weaken our standing in the Indo Pacific. And I just
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Speaker 3: want to point out that when these reports started surfacing
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Speaker 3: around day four the South Korean there was a South
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Speaker 3: Korean leader who said that the South Korean government feels
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Speaker 3: like they've been quote betrayed by the United States. And
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Speaker 3: so this, you know, again repeats the Kissinger line that
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Speaker 3: to be an enemy of America is dangerous, but to
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Speaker 3: be a friend of America is fatal.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to get your reaction to a post I
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Speaker 2: saw this morning from Professor Robert Paye. He says Iran
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Speaker 2: war strategic results of ten days of bombing attack Iran
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Speaker 2: leads to regional war, leads to global impact, warspread to
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Speaker 2: fourteen countries, oil crisis. Iran retains fifty percent plus missiles.
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Speaker 2: Iran retains enriched uranium hardening not collapsing. US gas prices
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Speaker 2: up about twenty percent. I mean, do you agree more
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Speaker 2: or less with that assessment?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Pape has been on the money with
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Speaker 3: a lot of what he's been saying to Yeah. So basically,
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Speaker 3: yesterday we saw President Trump, you know, try to I think,
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Speaker 3: goose the markets a little bit, using the presidential pulpit
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Speaker 3: to say, hey, no, might I might end this thing.
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Speaker 3: But he has no intention of ending it. I've said
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Speaker 3: since January we're going to war, and the President is deeply,
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Speaker 3: for whatever reason, is deeply committed to this particular conflict,
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Speaker 3: and I don't believe for a second he has any
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Speaker 3: intention of ending it until he achieves what he said
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Speaker 3: he wanted to achieve, which was regime change, which has cigar.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you know as well, that's not going to happen.
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Speaker 3: With our current force posture and certainly with our current armaments,
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Speaker 3: we are not in a position to do World War three,
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Speaker 3: which is what this is becoming. And one other thing
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Speaker 3: be watching the Horn of Africa as well as the
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Speaker 3: Houthis get involved. There is a possibility the Ethiopians will
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Speaker 3: mobilize to hit Eritrea's coastline to allow for the US
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Speaker 3: and possibly Israelis to mount land based missile launchers there
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Speaker 3: to better attack the Hoothies. So this could spread into
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Speaker 3: the Horn of Africa over the coming weeks as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good flag there. We also wanted to get some
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Speaker 1: of your expertise in terms of the damage. So let's
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Speaker 1: put D one up here on the screen. For example,
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Speaker 1: here you found apparent damage from Iranian strikes to several
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Speaker 1: DAD sites at US and Allied basis. US had moved
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Speaker 1: more of exactly what we're talking about considering relocating this
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Speaker 1: battery from South Korea. Brandon, can you describe for the audience,
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Speaker 1: like with the level of intelligence and targeting that it
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Speaker 1: takes to actually be able to hit and to cripple
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Speaker 1: some of these things, and then also talk about the
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Speaker 1: asymmetry in terms of the drone and or missile costs
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Speaker 1: as opposed to the actual cost of some of these batteries.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's start with that last part first, because that's
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Speaker 3: the easiest thing to explain. You're basically trying to hit
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Speaker 3: a one hundred thousand dollars at best drone for with
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Speaker 3: a missile that's a couple million dollars, and we, as
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Speaker 3: I noted, we don't have a lot of those anyway.
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Speaker 3: So what the Iranians have done very deftly, and this
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Speaker 3: is part of their strategy, has been to get us
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Speaker 3: to expend critical munitions against these cheaper drones so that
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Speaker 3: when it's time for the Iranians to go ham with
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Speaker 3: their much more advanced missiles, which they haven't even really
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Speaker 3: started popping off yet, but when it's time for that
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Speaker 3: to occur, there will be less of a chance that
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Speaker 3: we can shoot them down. You've also noticed the Iranians
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Speaker 3: attacking high end radar systems throughout the region. This is
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Speaker 3: to create a channel with which they can send these
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Speaker 3: higher end missiles through when the time is right. The
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Speaker 3: level of intelligence involved is significant because they have to
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Speaker 3: have people on the ground at all times basically keeping
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Speaker 3: an eye out on what the Americans are up to. Also,
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Speaker 3: don't discount the presence of Russian and Chinese assistance in
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Speaker 3: the form of intelligence insistence. They know that Chinese are
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Speaker 3: helping the Iranians range targets with their higher end satellite
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Speaker 3: constellations in orbit. So the fact of the matter is
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Speaker 3: is that we are basically laying soupine in the region
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Speaker 3: while the Iranians, you know, pick at us like the
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Speaker 3: Liliputians did to go over.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing seems so insane because it
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Speaker 2: is I'm no military expert, but I mean, first and foremost,
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Speaker 2: if you tall me, warre in the Middle East The
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Speaker 2: first thing I'm going to think of is oil. Second
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Speaker 2: of all, we've watched the way that these drones have
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Speaker 2: been deployed to great effect in Ukraine, so that seemed
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Speaker 2: you know, we've been talking here about this interceptor math
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Speaker 2: for at this point years, three years, and you know so,
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Speaker 2: and I know that top military officials were aware of
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Speaker 2: the danger of this landscape because before Trump launched this war,
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Speaker 2: they were leaking to every outlet they possibly could that
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Speaker 2: this was a bad idea and that there were all
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Speaker 2: sorts of vulnerabilities here. So what in your mind accounts
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Speaker 2: for this just total stratetis failure and failure to plan
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Speaker 2: on even the most basic level.
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Speaker 3: Well, if you remember, Vice General Kocher, on the eve
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Speaker 3: of the war, was relieved of his post with the
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Speaker 3: with the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs because he actually
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Speaker 3: leaked the very contentious meeting that General Kane, the Chairman,
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Speaker 3: had with President Trump because Trump wasn't listening to the
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Speaker 3: generals about how dangerous this could be. So that's how
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Speaker 3: significantly opposed to this conflict the upper echelon of the
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Speaker 3: uniform leadership has been. In fact, I think kocher My
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Speaker 3: theory is Contra actually did that at the request of Cain,
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Speaker 3: which is why Kochra has not been fired fully. He
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Speaker 3: has been simply removed from the Pentagon and he's now
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Speaker 3: working in another capacity, a lesser capacity. The fact of
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Speaker 3: the matter is the President is deeply committed to this war,
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Speaker 3: and I think this probably has something to do with
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Speaker 3: his relationship with Netan Yahoo. I think this probably has
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Speaker 3: to do also with the deal that was struck between
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Speaker 3: himself and Miriam Addelson in June of twenty twenty four
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Speaker 3: to get the endorsement and the backing of the Zionist
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Speaker 3: element of the Republican Party. Remember, a lot of the
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Speaker 3: Zionists had turned on Trump after twenty twenty. In fact,
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Speaker 3: remember Trump and Bibby hated each other after twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: because Trump blamed Bibby for calling up Biden and congratulating him,
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Speaker 3: you know, one of the first leaders. So this it's
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Speaker 3: sort of a weird friendship now, And that was nursed
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Speaker 3: by Miriam Addison, and I think they were sort of
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Speaker 3: feathering that particular bed with all of these deals the
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Speaker 3: Trump family has been creating with a lot of Israeli
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Speaker 3: I think there's a telecommunications firm there's a lot of
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Speaker 3: Israeli business ties now between the Trump family, and I
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Speaker 3: think that Trump just is enmeshed in this sort of
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Speaker 3: Israeli worldview and he thinks, hey, we got to protect Israel.
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Speaker 3: And you know, there might be something else with the
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Speaker 3: Epstein files, who knows, but there's definitely I think the
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Speaker 3: President is being pulled by his nose by nets and
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Speaker 3: Yahu and the Lukudniks in Israel.
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Speaker 1: Just so people are watching this, Brandon's not a liberal,
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Speaker 1: he's at all. Gee, yeah, you know, Brandon and I
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Speaker 1: met because he's a Steve Bannon warroom guy. Just so
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Speaker 1: everybody understands in case that they're confused about some of
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Speaker 1: your analysis, which makes you more courageous by the way,
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Speaker 1: for Actual's saying.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got you. Should see the hate mail I've
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Speaker 3: gotten from certain people.
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Speaker 1: Right there with you, brother. But here's the thing. I've
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Speaker 1: seen significant amount of pushback on you, Brandon, and they say, Brandon,
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Speaker 1: you're an idiot. The idea that Iran is achieving its
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Speaker 1: war aims is preposterous, and in fact, we've seen a
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Speaker 1: dramatic lessening in the number of missiles and drones. Secretary
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Speaker 1: Hestad was at the podium today, General Kine saying the
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Speaker 1: same thing. We have D four. If we want, we
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Speaker 1: can put that on the screen. This was a graphic
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Speaker 1: that was going around which actually shows the amount of
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Speaker 1: unitions being fired by everybody. So you know, you could
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Speaker 1: say Israeli strikes are down, but you know US strikes
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Speaker 1: also kind of down as well. So what's your counter
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Speaker 1: to that. You know, Iranian missiles have been what is
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Speaker 1: said Trump said ninety percent have been eliminated only a
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Speaker 1: few drones. Is there any truth to it from your
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Speaker 1: independent analysis?
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Speaker 3: They, like I said to Steve the other day, we
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Speaker 3: have degraded certain capabilities in Iran. The Iranians knew this
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Speaker 3: was coming, so what they spent several years doing was
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Speaker 3: decentralizing their command and control capability. So they had basically
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Speaker 3: field commanders with a lot of missiles and drones. They
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Speaker 3: were given final orders if a certain event like the
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Speaker 3: killing of Kamani were to happen, you are to basically
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Speaker 3: initiate a pre arranged orders in a sequence and it
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Speaker 3: will basically ensure that we are combat effective. And what
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Speaker 3: I would say also is it's an interesting fact. I
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Speaker 3: looked this up the other day. The US Air Force
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Speaker 3: flew five point two nine million sorties in Vietnam, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia,
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Speaker 3: and that was with a full massive army on the ground,
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Speaker 3: fighting for a decade, and we still lost Vietnam. Why
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Speaker 3: because our strategy did not comport with the realities on
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Speaker 3: the ground, and it did not comport with Ensway's means.
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Speaker 3: Iranian's strategies very simple. Survive. That's all the regime has
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Speaker 3: to do, and it has done that. Whereas the Americans
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Speaker 3: are sort of flittering about saying, well, we want regime change,
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Speaker 3: but then we also want denuclearization, but then we want
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Speaker 3: to get rid of the ballistic missiles too, and all
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Speaker 3: we want to degrade the navy and get rid of
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Speaker 3: the navy. And in the meanwhile, we're running out of stockpiles.
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Speaker 3: The Iranians are fully aware that our stockpiles are depleting,
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Speaker 3: thank you, mister Zelenski. They are very well aware of that,
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Speaker 3: and they have calculated that into their plans. What's more,
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Speaker 3: we have learned after fighting in Afghanistan in Iraq for
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Speaker 3: twenty five years, and effectively you don't have to have
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Speaker 3: a centralized force anymore for that force to be highly
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Speaker 3: combat effective, just as the Taliban. So this is sort
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Speaker 3: of a larger iteration of that with now long range missiles.
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Speaker 3: And the reason the decline has happened, frankly, is because
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Speaker 3: the Iranians have basically started shifting their munitions from the
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Speaker 3: older systems that were built twenty eleven, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen,
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Speaker 3: and they're now moving up the escalation chain. Why because
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Speaker 3: they know that the Israeli interceptors are depleted and that
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Speaker 3: the Arabs interceptors are depleted, so now they don't have
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Speaker 3: to use as many to still get hits in. And
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Speaker 3: don't forget they have around at least eighty eight thousand drones.
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Speaker 3: But I was told the other day by an expert,
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Speaker 3: actually the Iranians have so many, and they've spread them
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Speaker 3: so far around the country. They actually don't know how
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Speaker 3: many they have. It could be one hundred thousand drones
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Speaker 3: that they have and they're ready to roll. And we
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Speaker 3: have not destroyed those missile cities. We have hit some,
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Speaker 3: but we don't actually know how many there are. So
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Speaker 3: all the numbers of sorties were flying, it's sort of random,
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Speaker 3: out of context numbers to make everybody feel good about themselves.
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Speaker 2: And they're able to continue manufacturing those drones as well.
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Speaker 3: Correct, they are. Yes, in fact, you know, Trump, I
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Speaker 3: think or Hegseth this morning was talking about, Hey, we've
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Speaker 3: got you know, we've taken out their missile capability, production capability,
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Speaker 3: We've taken out what we can see. I mean, this
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Speaker 3: is the key thing. They're underground. This is like maw
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Speaker 3: during the you know, the Chinese Civil War. They're all underground.
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Speaker 3: So we don't know And ask anybody who served at
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Speaker 3: Tora Bora in two thousand and one. All the daisy
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Speaker 3: cutters and bunker busting bombs in the world are not
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Speaker 3: necessarily going to collapse hardcent facilities in the mountain side.
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Speaker 3: So you know, we don't have any idea exactly what
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Speaker 3: we're destroying or how much we've destroyed. And clearly the
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Speaker 3: Iranians are still combat effective.
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Speaker 1: And so brandon. Everything you're saying points to so pro sectary. Hegxet.
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Speaker 1: Today today will be the he said today, this will
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Speaker 1: be the largest day of bombing already. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: like mac v Tehran basically in the way that they're talking. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: like you said, but everything is pointing towards some sort
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Speaker 1: of ground force having to enter for maybe for a
13:45
Speaker 1: mission accomplished victory. Right, So they go in and they
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Speaker 1: take the nuclear material. But what we're learning is that
13:51
Speaker 1: what people are saying is that, yeah, you could send
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Speaker 1: Delta force in, but you're going to send a lot
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Speaker 1: of people up round to protect them, a lot of
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Speaker 1: air cover and everything that a potentially could involve thousands
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Speaker 1: US ground troops. How do you see any sort of
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Speaker 1: even limited ground operation going now that the Iranians know
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Speaker 1: that they might be coming prepared that could create a
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Speaker 1: death trap.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly what's going to happen. I think we're
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Speaker 3: walking into oblivion if we do this. The newest idea
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Speaker 3: out of Lindsay Graham, which he probably got while polishing
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Speaker 3: net Nyahu's shoes, is that we're going to take carg Island. Well,
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Speaker 3: carg Island, Okay, that's a very hardened facility. It's going
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Speaker 3: to require a lot of forces to take and hold.
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Speaker 3: There's going to be a significant battle. The environmental damage
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Speaker 3: if we blow things up there, because it's a massive
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Speaker 3: oil production center, could be worse than what we saw
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Speaker 3: in Tehran. That will affect the region for decades. So yay, America.
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Speaker 3: And then also there's the talk about sending in US
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Speaker 3: special forces, which we might already be there. I don't
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Speaker 3: know now, but I think we might already be there,
14:53
Speaker 3: but sending US special forces into Iran to link up
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Speaker 3: with organized resistance groups such as the move Jahadini kulk
15:01
Speaker 3: MK to replicate what we did in Afghanistan one, when
15:05
Speaker 3: we basically sent a bunch of Special Forces A teams
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Speaker 3: and CIA paaramilitaries augmented by US air power to basically
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Speaker 3: service force multipliers for the locals to overthrow the government.
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Speaker 3: But ultimately the MEK is highly unpopular in Iran itself. Furthermore,
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Speaker 3: they don't have anywhere near the combat effectiveness that the
15:24
Speaker 3: Northern Alliance in Afghanistan did at the height of its
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Speaker 3: power in one. And also it's a totally different kind
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Speaker 3: of territory and topography. And again, you can't take a
15:34
Speaker 3: country that with ninety six million people with a handful
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Speaker 3: of Special Forces teams. It's just going to get a
15:39
Speaker 3: lot of people killed and it's going to further enmesh
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Speaker 3: the United States. And if I can just add here,
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Speaker 3: this is why I believe and if you look at
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Speaker 3: the damage in Israel I believe the Israelis are getting
15:49
Speaker 3: ready to pop off a nuke. I really do. And
15:52
Speaker 3: I think this is a very dire moment in the
15:55
Speaker 3: history of our country because we are highly tethered to
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Speaker 3: this insane policy. See it's not our own policy. We're
16:02
Speaker 3: not writing it. This is the Israelis writing it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah for us.
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Speaker 2: But yet, I mean, to your point, Trump seems very
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Speaker 2: committed to it. So if they were persuaded him or not,
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Speaker 2: you know, he's he's all in. And some of the
16:12
Speaker 2: reporting is that, you know, he was really pushing in
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Speaker 2: this direction over it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, in January it was. He was definitely in fact
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Speaker 3: in January. My understanding is on January fifteenth he had
16:22
Speaker 3: to be talked out of hitting them wo in Iran,
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Speaker 3: both by Mohammad bin Salmon and Netagnyak. Well, so yeah,
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Speaker 3: he's deeply committed.
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Speaker 2: Well, I want to I want to ask you more
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Speaker 2: though about you know, as pretty provocative comment you just
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Speaker 2: made that you're worried that Israel is going to pop
16:37
Speaker 2: off a you know, maybe a tactical nuclear.
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Speaker 3: Wagon low yield.
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Speaker 2: What makes you, you know, what gives you that concern,
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Speaker 2: What makes you think that they could be heading in
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Speaker 2: that direction.
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Speaker 3: The situation in Israel is dire. It is it is
16:50
Speaker 3: not being adequately reported. I hope that I'm wrong on that.
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Speaker 3: I used to think that was crazy talk. But if
16:55
Speaker 3: you look at what's going on and how the Israelis
16:58
Speaker 3: are responding with the censorship and the the threats online,
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Speaker 3: the threats that I've received, you know you, I mean,
17:04
Speaker 3: I'm nobody, you know, but yet they're taking the time
17:07
Speaker 3: to send very interesting notes to me and hack my
17:11
Speaker 3: Gmail and anyway. But so clearly there's there's more to
17:16
Speaker 3: the story, and they just tried it sounds like to
17:19
Speaker 3: kill someone close to Netanyahu, his brother. I don't know
17:22
Speaker 3: if they did manage to do that, but ultimately, the
17:25
Speaker 3: situation in Israel is dire, and we know that the
17:28
Speaker 3: Israelis do have that Samson option that if if all
17:32
Speaker 3: is lost, they will start cooking off nukes against their
17:35
Speaker 3: perceived foes, and the Iranians are their number one perceived foe.
17:39
Speaker 3: And they're very annoyed with us because we're not, in
17:42
Speaker 3: their eyes, hitting hard enough, which is absolutely insane. I mean,
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Speaker 3: We've thrown every literally everything now at the Iranians and
17:50
Speaker 3: they're still they're still pushing along.
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Speaker 2: Do you worry about the US deploying nuclear weapons because
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Speaker 2: Trump has sort of boxed himself into a corner now
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Speaker 2: where even if he wants to taco, Iranians are like, no,
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Speaker 2: we're in this thing.
18:05
Speaker 4: You you wanted this war.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna you know, we're gonna be here until you
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Speaker 2: sustain enough pain that you do not do this to
18:12
Speaker 2: us again. So is there a you know, a logical
18:15
Speaker 2: sequence that leads to us all Tucker?
18:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tucker asked me about this, and as I said
18:20
Speaker 3: to him, if you had asked me a year ago,
18:22
Speaker 3: I would have said, nah, it's not and we are
18:24
Speaker 3: not going to do that. But looking at the odd
18:27
Speaker 3: way that Trump is married to Netan Yahoo's worldview, I
18:33
Speaker 3: wouldn't put it past the man because he keeps talking
18:35
Speaker 3: about how we're gonna go so big, We're gonna it's
18:38
Speaker 3: gonna be the biggest thing ever. We're gonna we're gonna
18:40
Speaker 3: break them. Well, they're not breaking. And killing the last
18:43
Speaker 3: leader and his small grandchildren and now having his son
18:47
Speaker 3: take over probably is not the best way to get
18:49
Speaker 3: a deal. It's kind of putting the counterparty in an impossible,
18:53
Speaker 3: you know, mindset. They're not going to negotiate. Why would they.
18:57
Speaker 3: So the only way out of this then becomes escalation,
19:01
Speaker 3: and the ultimate escalation would be nuclear nuclear weapons. And
19:05
Speaker 3: it's not in the realm of impossibility. We saw this
19:08
Speaker 3: play out in the India Pakistan War last year, where
19:12
Speaker 3: basically the Indians started attacking the Kerna Hills nuclear weapons
19:17
Speaker 3: facility in Pakistan because the Pakistan's were Pakistanis were resisting
19:21
Speaker 3: better than what they had anticipated, and that's when Trump
19:24
Speaker 3: had to get involved. So we've seen world leaders start
19:27
Speaker 3: to tease and look at well, maybe the nuclear option
19:30
Speaker 3: is is somehow palatable, and my hope is that that
19:34
Speaker 3: somebody stops Trump if he is thinking about this.
19:37
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing that was flagged me Brandon was
19:39
Speaker 1: not just a nuclear weapon, but potentially an atmospheric test,
19:43
Speaker 1: which would be similarly unfathomable, but a message that could
19:48
Speaker 1: be sent. I actually could see that easily. I could see,
19:51
Speaker 1: and I think is the most realistic option in the
19:53
Speaker 1: immediate Yeah.
19:54
Speaker 3: That could be. And you know, Cigar, they they love
19:57
Speaker 3: to they love to talk about wow. You know, oh,
20:01
Speaker 3: these tests for nukes are pre planned months in advance,
20:04
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah. The president can cancel it the
20:06
Speaker 3: minute before it goes off. If it was really just
20:08
Speaker 3: a pre planned thing, you know, so that's going to
20:11
Speaker 3: always be the excuse. But ultimately, I really do think
20:15
Speaker 3: we are we are in a very dangerous point in
20:18
Speaker 3: terms of releasing the nuclear genie from its bottle.
20:20
Speaker 1: Terri, Fine, last thing we wanted to ask you about
20:22
Speaker 1: is casualties. Guys, Can we go ahead and put a
20:25
Speaker 1: D five up there on the screen so right now?
20:29
Speaker 1: This is from a reporting from the Wall Street Journal.
20:31
Speaker 1: In addition to the seven US military personnel killed in
20:34
Speaker 1: the war confirmed so far, eight have been seriously wounded.
20:37
Speaker 1: Those numbers do not include all American servicemen who have
20:40
Speaker 1: been hurt. We are hearing at least some reports that
20:43
Speaker 1: the current number is classified sectary. Hegseth Will declined to
20:46
Speaker 1: actually give the total number. Do you think that they're
20:49
Speaker 1: hiding casualties? What do you think?
20:51
Speaker 3: I hate to say it because I have a lot
20:54
Speaker 3: of people I know in the military, and I don't
20:56
Speaker 3: like to think that we are hiding these things. But
20:58
Speaker 3: I do believe this is Ukraine all over again, where
21:01
Speaker 3: we were hiding real casualty figures. I think the casualty
21:05
Speaker 3: figures are significantly worse. Look at what happened to Bob Rain.
21:08
Speaker 3: Look at the fifth Fleet's headquarters. Just look at that.
21:10
Speaker 3: That's our primary logistics hub in the region. It's a moonscape.
21:14
Speaker 3: It looks like Gaza now, you know. So I can
21:17
Speaker 3: imagine there were people still on station there because you
21:20
Speaker 3: can't fully abandon it. I know we reduced our footprint
21:23
Speaker 3: as best we could, but I believe our casualties are
21:26
Speaker 3: probably significantly higher. And what will happen, I think is
21:29
Speaker 3: they will eventually release them, but they will do it
21:32
Speaker 3: at a slower pace so that it doesn't shock the world,
21:36
Speaker 3: the news, you know, markets, And so that's where I
21:40
Speaker 3: think we are, and I think it is a tragedy.
21:42
Speaker 3: And honestly, this is the President's fault. I mean, the
21:44
Speaker 3: President chose to do this, and I do believe that
21:47
Speaker 3: we're going to need to have a reckoning politically, because
21:50
Speaker 3: this is not what MAGA wanted, This is not what
21:52
Speaker 3: we voted for, This isn't certainly what I dedicated a
21:55
Speaker 3: decade of my life to supporting. It was supposed to
21:57
Speaker 3: be no new Middle East wars, and we are now
21:59
Speaker 3: at the cusp I think of World War three.
22:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, he says, maga is whatever he says it.
22:04
Speaker 3: Is, Well, then that's a cult.
22:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, agreed, agreed on old time, Brandon. I really
22:09
Speaker 4: appreciate it.
22:10
Speaker 2: It's really just great to get your analysis so insightful.
22:13
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us.
22:15
Speaker 1: Thank you, Brandon always.
22:16
Speaker 3: I'd love to be back.
22:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, see you, dude, see you. Turning now to
22:22
Speaker 1: the oil markets, yesterday was literally one of the most
22:25
Speaker 1: historic days in the history of the oil market. Massive
22:28
Speaker 1: swings past one hundred dollars a barrel, all the way
22:30
Speaker 1: down to some eighty eighty nine dollars per barrel at
22:33
Speaker 1: the time that we are recording this. But what it
22:35
Speaker 1: is acknowledgment of is this administration is panicking over the
22:39
Speaker 1: price of oil. They're floating a lot of different things
22:41
Speaker 1: we showed you earlier. Trump says he may take over
22:43
Speaker 1: the entire Straits of hor Moves. As of this morning,
22:46
Speaker 1: it appears the United States Navy is spending significant amount
22:49
Speaker 1: of time going after Iranian mining assets all throughout the
22:52
Speaker 1: Straits of Our Moves. But Trump has also floated a
22:55
Speaker 1: different option, telling Fox News that some of these maritime
22:58
Speaker 1: pilots they need to just have some guts and run
23:02
Speaker 1: the straight, take a lesson.
23:03
Speaker 5: Here's exactly what he said. These ships should go through
23:06
Speaker 5: this trader for removes and show some guts. There's nothing
23:09
Speaker 5: to be afraid of.
23:10
Speaker 3: They have no navy.
23:11
Speaker 5: We sunk all their ships. You would have to say,
23:13
Speaker 5: he said, look, there's risk in the region. The regions
23:16
Speaker 5: followed them.
23:17
Speaker 1: Have some guts. There's nothing to be afraid of out
23:19
Speaker 1: there except for missiles, except for fire. Also, did you notice,
23:23
Speaker 1: like the video that they're playing of Tehran the oil apocalypse,
23:27
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, have some guts and just go
23:29
Speaker 1: through that. By the way, they'll have plenty of guts.
23:31
Speaker 1: If oils at two hundred dollars a barrel, sure they'll
23:33
Speaker 1: go at the current price. No, they're not doing it,
23:36
Speaker 1: especially with all of the insurance stuff that's going on
23:39
Speaker 1: right now. I also did wanted to make sure that
23:42
Speaker 1: Fox News, which you know your member, was very concerned
23:44
Speaker 1: about gas prices, as was I think all Americans should
23:46
Speaker 1: have been. Underbiden. Now they're saying, look, pull up your trousers,
23:51
Speaker 1: all right, pull your pants up and get ready for war,
23:53
Speaker 1: boys and girls. It's your patriotic duty to pay more
23:56
Speaker 1: at the gas pump. Take a listen until people can
23:59
Speaker 1: wrap their heads around that.
24:00
Speaker 6: I just think about every time this happens and people
24:04
Speaker 6: start the gas prices, my dad pulls out the ration
24:09
Speaker 6: coupon book from World War Two and tells me how
24:13
Speaker 6: my granddaddy's Chevy dealership just went poof overnight. Didn't get
24:18
Speaker 6: it back, lost his business, It just went goodbye because
24:23
Speaker 6: all of the auto manufacturing was redirected toward wartime manufacturing.
24:29
Speaker 4: So let's pull our trousers up, shall we.
24:34
Speaker 1: I mean, sounds like your dad is a reasonable kuy right,
24:36
Speaker 1: It's like he kind of should be worried about gas
24:39
Speaker 1: prices and telling some of those stories in the past.
24:41
Speaker 1: That's what I think about too, every time we get
24:44
Speaker 1: is this a.
24:44
Speaker 2: World War two? We all need to come together. No,
24:47
Speaker 2: people do not want this war. I mean, it's it
24:51
Speaker 2: is very likely to make the world a more dangerous place.
24:54
Speaker 2: It is already putting Americans at greater risk. They are
24:57
Speaker 2: unlikely to accomplish any of their objectives. The end state
25:01
Speaker 2: of this is much more likely that Aroun is going
25:03
Speaker 2: to acquire a nuclear weapon and then your cavalierly from
25:07
Speaker 2: your air conditioned studio with your multimillion dollar salary there
25:11
Speaker 2: in Manhattan telling Americans to pull up their trousers and
25:14
Speaker 2: sacrifice for a ward that they did not want. I mean,
25:18
Speaker 2: it's so disgusting and preposterous to me. And you're righty
25:21
Speaker 2: to point out the hypocrisy too, of course, because I'm
25:23
Speaker 2: sure when it was Biden and it was Ukraine, there
25:26
Speaker 2: was all kinds of concern for ordinary Americans and you
25:29
Speaker 2: know what they would be paying at the pump.
25:31
Speaker 1: Right exactly, you know, right right now as we're speaking,
25:34
Speaker 1: I was just checking the triple a three point fifty
25:36
Speaker 1: three a gallon. It's going to be three fifty four
25:38
Speaker 1: roughly a gallon, and an increase from one week ago
25:42
Speaker 1: where it was three dollars and ten cents. One month
25:44
Speaker 1: ago it was two dollars and ninety two cents.
25:47
Speaker 2: And we're just getting started, baby, we are just getting
25:50
Speaker 2: started here.
25:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what a disaster. And then diesel also remains,
25:53
Speaker 1: you know, way on its it remains on its way
25:56
Speaker 1: to some four or five dollars per gallon, So you
25:59
Speaker 1: all know how that that's going to work out. Let's
26:01
Speaker 1: go and put the price of oil up there. As
26:03
Speaker 1: I explained yesterday, literally one of the most historic days
26:05
Speaker 1: in the history of the oil market. We took this
26:07
Speaker 1: literally right as we are filming, So keep that in
26:09
Speaker 1: mind as things all swing around. You have no idea
26:12
Speaker 1: where things are going to end up. Don't forget though,
26:14
Speaker 1: that even where it is right now. So it's eighty
26:17
Speaker 1: eight to forty gallon in the live market in the
26:21
Speaker 1: last month. That means that oil is still up some
26:23
Speaker 1: thirty eight percent in terms of its price, and obviously
26:26
Speaker 1: that's going to impact that's going to impact what happens
26:29
Speaker 1: at the gas pump. But the main reason why the
26:32
Speaker 1: price of oil appears to have gone down, let's put
26:34
Speaker 1: e four up here on the screen, is because we
26:37
Speaker 1: are now turning and quote standing ready to release emergency
26:42
Speaker 1: oil reserves. So finance ministers from the entire G seven
26:45
Speaker 1: are pledging necessary measures to tackle surge and crude prices,
26:49
Speaker 1: but stop short of an immediate deal. So they said
26:51
Speaker 1: they won't immediately release it, but they said they want
26:53
Speaker 1: to address the impact of the Iran war stand ready
26:56
Speaker 1: to take necessary measures were included to support global supply
26:59
Speaker 1: of energy, such as stockpile releases, However, that would only
27:03
Speaker 1: be about ninety days or so worth of supply that
27:07
Speaker 1: they'd be able to release into the market, and if
27:09
Speaker 1: things did continue to go on, then obviously you have
27:12
Speaker 1: the whole strategic petroleum reserve which is going to take
27:15
Speaker 1: a hit, but you also have the war which they
27:18
Speaker 1: would need to wrap up at that time. So this
27:21
Speaker 1: is currently like the biggest indication, but I do think
27:24
Speaker 1: it's already worth noting things are already going crazy all
27:26
Speaker 1: across the world. So Bangladesh, one of the poorest countries
27:29
Speaker 1: in the world, they're already reporting power outages. Pakistan is
27:33
Speaker 1: reporting grid problems in Bangalore. Actually, let's put E six
27:37
Speaker 1: up there on the screen. The story was going around.
27:40
Speaker 1: Bangalore hotels will now face shutdown from March tenth due
27:44
Speaker 1: to commercial gas supply, so cooking gas. If you've never
27:47
Speaker 1: been in India, there's a lot of cooking gas. That's
27:49
Speaker 1: the way that they cook everything. Bangalore, by the way,
27:51
Speaker 1: is one of the most developed cities in all of India,
27:54
Speaker 1: if you've ever been, that's where all the Silicon Valley
27:56
Speaker 1: people go. I'm pretty sure there's a direct flight from
27:58
Speaker 1: San Francisco to Bangalore. So imagine these meta executives sitting
28:02
Speaker 1: in the four seasons and they're like, whoa hold on
28:04
Speaker 1: a second, where's my breakfast man, And they're like, yeah, sorry,
28:07
Speaker 1: we can't cook anything because of a gas constraint. So
28:10
Speaker 1: you could seriously begin to see some of this stuff
28:13
Speaker 1: ripple across the entire world. And remember what Rory Johnson
28:16
Speaker 1: said on our show yesterday. He's like, we will see
28:18
Speaker 1: significant demand destruction across the entire Third world, Like you
28:21
Speaker 1: will see the Third world supplies there will just dry up.
28:24
Speaker 1: People won't even be able to drive. The rest of
28:26
Speaker 1: the developed world will just pay five dollars a gallon.
28:28
Speaker 1: But that's the nightmare scenario or where we are right now.
28:31
Speaker 6: Now.
28:31
Speaker 4: What he said was crazy.
28:32
Speaker 2: He was like, remember back to when everything was shut
28:35
Speaker 2: down in COVID and the level of demand destruction that entailed,
28:39
Speaker 2: meaning that people are not going anywhere because everyone was
28:42
Speaker 2: just locked in their houses. He's like, that's what we're
28:45
Speaker 2: talking about here. That's the level of demand destruction that
28:48
Speaker 2: you're going to need in order to be able to
28:50
Speaker 2: equalize these markets if this persists were any significant amount
28:54
Speaker 2: of time. So that's where we are. I mean, you
28:57
Speaker 2: look at the markets and they are betting on a tago.
29:01
Speaker 2: They're betting that Trump is going to end the war,
29:04
Speaker 2: that it'll just be a little blip that you know,
29:07
Speaker 2: the oil markets will be a little bit you know,
29:09
Speaker 2: there will be some challenges in the short term, but
29:12
Speaker 2: they'll be able to recover and all the oil fields
29:14
Speaker 2: will continue operating and the straight uform moves will be
29:17
Speaker 2: reopened and things will get back to normal in the
29:20
Speaker 2: like immediate are like very near term, And look, maybe
29:25
Speaker 2: that's possible. It's possible Trump find some way to declare
29:29
Speaker 2: mission accomplish and that the Iranians, having been thoroughly, you know,
29:34
Speaker 2: battered in a lot of ways, are like, okay, fine,
29:37
Speaker 2: we'll walk away as well. That's possible, but it's not
29:41
Speaker 2: looking likely just given the I think the Trump Taco
29:44
Speaker 2: part would be a reasonable bet. But on the Iranian side,
29:47
Speaker 2: it's certainly not what they're projecting, and it would not
29:50
Speaker 2: be logical for them strategically to at this point say, okay,
29:54
Speaker 2: we're going to allow you to recoup and regroup when
29:57
Speaker 2: clearly you are sustaining damage. We're going to allow you
29:59
Speaker 2: to rebuild, for example, your radar satellite systems in the
30:02
Speaker 2: region so you can better track our missiles. We're going
30:05
Speaker 2: to allow you to recover and to spend more time
30:08
Speaker 2: manufacturing interceptors so you're more ready the next time around.
30:12
Speaker 2: Why would that make any strategic sense for the Iranians?
30:15
Speaker 2: And the other thing, just going back to the point
30:16
Speaker 2: I was making before, they are engaged as much in
30:20
Speaker 2: economic warfare as they are in military warfare. You know,
30:24
Speaker 2: their goal is to crash our stock market, to crash
30:26
Speaker 2: our economy, to you know, squeeze us in terms of
30:29
Speaker 2: gas prices.
30:30
Speaker 4: That is their goal.
30:32
Speaker 2: And so as you know, as the markets are betting
30:35
Speaker 2: that things are just going to go back to normal,
30:37
Speaker 2: that is the polar opposite of the strategy that is
30:40
Speaker 2: being deployed here by the Iranians. I guess the other
30:43
Speaker 2: possibility is that we truly have degraded their capacity to
30:47
Speaker 2: the point that they can't keep up the blockade and
30:50
Speaker 2: the Strait of Hormos, which by the way, isn't even
30:52
Speaker 2: really a blockade. They've just scared people enough that, you know,
30:55
Speaker 2: and screwed with the insurance industry enough the tankers are like, okay,
30:58
Speaker 2: we're not going to do this right now. But perhaps
31:00
Speaker 2: we've degraded them enough that they can't launch more missiles
31:02
Speaker 2: that you know, their leadership is taken out enough that
31:05
Speaker 2: they can't continue to drone strike you know, various facilities
31:09
Speaker 2: in the region, or pose any sort of a threat
31:12
Speaker 2: to vessels that are trying to pass through the street.
31:15
Speaker 4: That would be the other bet.
31:16
Speaker 2: But again, given that they have this decentralized leadership, given
31:20
Speaker 2: the fact you see no indications of you know, massive
31:23
Speaker 2: riffs within the regime or any sort of public uprising,
31:27
Speaker 2: given that they have significant domestic manufacturing capacity for the
31:31
Speaker 2: you know, the drones that they're able to create in
31:34
Speaker 2: a very low cost way, it seems very unlikely to
31:38
Speaker 2: me that that is going to be the direction that
31:40
Speaker 2: we ultimately go in. And last thing I'll say is, look,
31:44
Speaker 2: we have been covering this long before this war. Are
31:46
Speaker 2: economies a house of cards? Right? The whole thing, I mean,
31:48
Speaker 2: the job creation already last month was negative. The only
31:52
Speaker 2: sectors that added any jobs throughout all of twenty twenty
31:56
Speaker 2: five were basically like healthcare and social services, the only
32:00
Speaker 2: real growth industry or these freaking data centers.
32:03
Speaker 4: Well, guess what that's based on, the economics of that
32:05
Speaker 4: is based on.
32:06
Speaker 2: Access to cheap energy. So the whole thing is built
32:10
Speaker 2: on this access to cheap energy. That's the whole bet.
32:14
Speaker 2: You know, the AI bet that's been placed in our
32:16
Speaker 2: economy that is all being threatened right now by the Iranians.
32:20
Speaker 2: And they're smart enough to understand that there's no doubt
32:22
Speaker 2: about it.
32:23
Speaker 1: Well, don't forget some of the ripple effects. So, for example,
32:26
Speaker 1: the Golf States, the Golf States, if they have contractions
32:29
Speaker 1: in their economy, what are they going to do? Who
32:31
Speaker 1: wants to tell me who is financing a ton of
32:33
Speaker 1: these data center deals? The golf emerts, the UAE, all
32:36
Speaker 1: of these people. Who wants to tell me who's financing
32:39
Speaker 1: Paramount and their current purchase of You know, I'm not
32:43
Speaker 1: going to cry about that one, but saying like Paramount
32:45
Speaker 1: and their takeover of WBD, Saudi's bunch of the Golf States.
32:49
Speaker 1: If this Golf State money drives up, I mean who,
32:52
Speaker 1: God only knows what the hell they are flowing? Uber
32:55
Speaker 1: is you know, massively invest Google Twitter. I mean like
32:59
Speaker 1: you have no idea, the tentacles, It's in everything. And
33:04
Speaker 1: if they have to start exiting their positions or sell,
33:07
Speaker 1: I mean, God help us. In terms of the US economy,
33:10
Speaker 1: I'm talking about shopping mall closure. I remember where I
33:13
Speaker 1: was grew uping up in Texas, All the nicest malls
33:15
Speaker 1: are all owned by like the Kuwaiti royal family. You
33:17
Speaker 1: have no idea where all of this cash has been.
33:20
Speaker 1: That's their whole strategy is about coming like this with
33:22
Speaker 1: the US, with the assumption is we'll defend them. Now
33:25
Speaker 1: what right, And if they're really starting to hit yeah,
33:28
Speaker 1: now they're at Target, they're mad, they might pull their cash.
33:31
Speaker 1: That's what that billionaire was saying. He's like, hey, you know,
33:33
Speaker 1: you know, the whole point of this whole thing was
33:35
Speaker 1: we get something in exchange. But if this deal is
33:37
Speaker 1: going to dry up, we might fundamentally rethink a whole
33:41
Speaker 1: lot of assumptions and cause a lot of problems for
33:43
Speaker 1: you too. And that's probably what I'm the most afraid of.
33:45
Speaker 1: So it's ordinary Americans, our whole capital markets, venture capital depression.
33:50
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's how the nineteen seventies played out.
33:53
Speaker 1: So it's it's really bad.
33:58
Speaker 2: All right, Let's get to Epstein. Since this is potentially
34:00
Speaker 2: part of the reason why we're in this war. Nobody
34:02
Speaker 2: really knows, although I think a majority of Americans probably
34:05
Speaker 2: believe that this has something to do with why Trump
34:08
Speaker 2: felt the need to launch this insane war. We have
34:11
Speaker 2: some new, very significant developments on two fronts. So one
34:16
Speaker 2: directly does involve Trump. We've been talking about how some
34:19
Speaker 2: of the interviews with one of with his most credible
34:22
Speaker 2: accuser in terms of, you know, in the context of Epstein,
34:26
Speaker 2: how those interviews were not available while under pressure. They
34:28
Speaker 2: have now been revealed. So put that to the side.
34:30
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that in just a second. The other piece, though,
34:33
Speaker 2: has to do with a potential cover up of what
34:36
Speaker 2: really happened on the day that Epstein died.
34:39
Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen.
34:41
Speaker 2: This is a pretty bombshell reporting here from the Miami
34:44
Speaker 2: Herald and also from the New York Post.
34:47
Speaker 4: The headline here is and this of course Julie K.
34:49
Speaker 6: Brown.
34:49
Speaker 4: Prison guards discussed cover up of.
34:52
Speaker 2: Epstein's death, an inmate tells the FBI, I'll read you
34:56
Speaker 2: from the story, and inmate house the Metropolitan Correctional Center
34:59
Speaker 2: in New York told the FB he overheard guards talking
35:02
Speaker 2: about covering up Jeffrey Epstein's death on the morning he died.
35:05
Speaker 2: The federal government's online Epstein Library contains a five page
35:08
Speaker 2: handwritten report of an FBI interview with an inmate who
35:11
Speaker 2: awoke the morning of August tenth, twenty nineteen, to the
35:14
Speaker 2: loud commotion in the special housing unit or or shoe
35:18
Speaker 2: where he and Epstein were jailed.
35:20
Speaker 4: Breathe, briethe.
35:21
Speaker 2: He recalled officers shouting about six thirty am. Then he
35:25
Speaker 2: said he heard an officer say, dudes, you killed that dude.
35:29
Speaker 2: A female guard replied, if he is dead, we're going
35:32
Speaker 2: to cover it up, and he's going to have an
35:34
Speaker 2: alibi my officers, the FBI notes. The FBI notes said
35:39
Speaker 2: the inmate claimed the whole thing. Hull Wing overheard the exchange. Later,
35:43
Speaker 2: after learning Epstein had died, he said, inmates said miss
35:46
Speaker 2: Noel killed Jeffrey. He identified the female guard as Touve Noel,
35:50
Speaker 2: one of two correctional officers who were later charged with
35:52
Speaker 2: falsifying reports. So it appeared from their records they had
35:55
Speaker 2: made their rounds that night when they had not. The
35:57
Speaker 2: charges against her and the other officer, Michael Thomas, were
36:00
Speaker 2: later dropped, but both were fired.
36:02
Speaker 4: So that is one of the pieces.
36:04
Speaker 1: Here.
36:04
Speaker 2: We get another piece from the New York Post which
36:07
Speaker 2: adds to the story of this one guard Noel. So
36:12
Speaker 2: this Epstein prison guard googled him minutes before his body
36:17
Speaker 2: was found, and also made mysterious deposits before his quote
36:22
Speaker 2: unquote suicide. One of Jeffrey Epstein's prison guards, this very
36:26
Speaker 2: same one that the inmates said was involved. She had
36:30
Speaker 2: googled Epstein minutes before he was found dead, so supposedly
36:34
Speaker 2: no one knew he was dead, and she's there googling
36:37
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein in prison. She also made a mysterious five
36:42
Speaker 2: thousand dollars cash deposit ten days before the Predators jail
36:45
Speaker 2: cell suicide. New Department of Justice documents reveal she was
36:49
Speaker 2: one of two Metro Correctional Center workers accused of falsifying records.
36:53
Speaker 2: So you know, she's the one who was supposed to
36:55
Speaker 2: be there watching him. She's allegedly falls asleep and they
37:00
Speaker 2: falsified the records. That was the story. The guards were fired.
37:03
Speaker 2: Criminal charges against both were later dropped. Specifically, what she
37:08
Speaker 2: googled at five forty two am and then again at
37:12
Speaker 2: five point fifty two am, forty minutes before her colleague
37:16
Speaker 2: found Epstein dead in his cell. What she googled was
37:19
Speaker 2: quote latest on Epstein in jail, So she googled latest
37:24
Speaker 2: on Epstein in jail forty minutes before anyone found his
37:28
Speaker 2: body allegedly. And then the other piece is this this
37:32
Speaker 2: money that you know, mysteriously turned up in her account.
37:34
Speaker 2: Apparently she was shopping for furniture online. Apparently she was
37:38
Speaker 2: driving a fancy vehicle as well. You know, I'm not
37:41
Speaker 2: sure that that's easy to come by when you're earning
37:45
Speaker 2: the salary of a prison guard. So some pretty significant
37:49
Speaker 2: questions here, Sager about, Okay, was this investigated, what was determined?
37:54
Speaker 2: Did anyone ever look into where this cash came from?
37:57
Speaker 2: You know, what the hell happened here? Because these are
38:00
Speaker 2: some pretty wild claims being made.
38:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, the defense is, well, she googled a bunch of
38:04
Speaker 1: the inmates, so I'm like, okay, what about the cash?
38:07
Speaker 1: Also Google, it's a little weird. And then there was
38:09
Speaker 1: a you know, the cover up, and then there was
38:10
Speaker 1: all the cameras and so look, I mean, oh, body
38:13
Speaker 1: double remember that, the body double? And then the press
38:17
Speaker 1: release draft that came out the day of where it
38:20
Speaker 1: was drafted the day before. None of this stuff adds
38:22
Speaker 1: up the autopsy and you put it all together. I
38:25
Speaker 1: just think it's so obvious that this is I think
38:28
Speaker 1: it's so obvious that something much bigger, yeah, happened here. Well,
38:31
Speaker 1: I don't believe the official story.
38:33
Speaker 4: That's it, period.
38:34
Speaker 2: And let me give you just a couple more details
38:36
Speaker 2: here about miss Sowell. Apparently, her bank record showed seven
38:40
Speaker 2: different cash deposits totaling eighty dollars in the weeks leading
38:45
Speaker 2: up to and then immediately after Epstein's death. The largest
38:48
Speaker 2: one was that five thousand dollars deposit. She was driving
38:51
Speaker 2: a sixty two thousand dollars land Rover Range Rover brand new,
38:55
Speaker 2: and she was not apparently asked about the cash cash
38:58
Speaker 2: during her DOJ interview, and internal FBI briefing also released
39:02
Speaker 2: in the files reveals the agency thought NOAEH was likely
39:04
Speaker 2: the mysterious orange shape spotted any blurry surveillance video near
39:09
Speaker 2: epstein cell around ten forty pm that night. So mysterious
39:15
Speaker 2: cash drive in fancy car, shopping for furniture, googling Epstein
39:20
Speaker 2: before he's known to be dead, for you know, theorized
39:24
Speaker 2: to be that mysterious orange shape that they initially lied
39:27
Speaker 2: about and pretended didn't exist and then said must have
39:29
Speaker 2: been an inmate.
39:31
Speaker 4: And so I, yeah, I don't know.
39:33
Speaker 2: That's that's dry your own conclusion, that's yeah, drive your
39:36
Speaker 2: own conclusions. Indeed, Okay, let's get to the Trump aspect
39:39
Speaker 2: of this story. So, as we've been covering the uh
39:43
Speaker 2: the Trump accuser who had called into the FBI originally
39:46
Speaker 2: as an anonymous tip, but they found to be credible
39:48
Speaker 2: enough to have interviewed her four times. This was a
39:51
Speaker 2: woman who claimed in the eighties, when she was roughly
39:53
Speaker 2: thirteen years old, that Trump sexually assaulted her and that
39:57
Speaker 2: this you know, it was Epstein that you introduced her
40:01
Speaker 2: to Trump and enabled this abuse. And she also alleges
40:04
Speaker 2: that Epstein abuse sexually abused her as well as one
40:07
Speaker 2: other wealthy man from the Hilton Head, South Carolina area,
40:11
Speaker 2: And we'll get to that at a moment. So, under pressure,
40:14
Speaker 2: the Justice Department has now released all of these interviews.
40:17
Speaker 2: We previously had access to only one. Now we have
40:20
Speaker 2: access to all of these interviews. We can put this
40:23
Speaker 2: up on the screen. Justice Department releases missing Epstein documents
40:26
Speaker 2: with Trump allegations. On Thursday, they publicly posted these records.
40:31
Speaker 2: The agency said the files, which include details from FBI
40:34
Speaker 2: interviews with woman who told authorities she had been sexually
40:36
Speaker 2: assaulted by Trump and Epstein, had not been previously released
40:39
Speaker 2: because they were incorrectly determined to be duplicates of other records.
40:43
Speaker 2: Oh oops, we just happened to withhold these ones. Sorry guys,
40:46
Speaker 2: made a mistake. Anyway, here they are. Justice departments posted
40:50
Speaker 2: millions of pages of Epstein related records online. The woman
40:53
Speaker 2: who was interviewed by the FBI in twenty nineteen accused
40:56
Speaker 2: Trump of sexually assaulting her decades earlier, when she was
40:58
Speaker 2: a minor. No evidence has emerged publicly to corroborate that accusation.
41:02
Speaker 2: The White House has, of course called the allegations against
41:05
Speaker 2: Trump quote completely baseless, accusations backed by no credible evidence. However, listen,
41:11
Speaker 2: and that is all true, right. We don't have any
41:14
Speaker 2: confirmation that this claim was actually true, that this is
41:18
Speaker 2: something that really happened.
41:19
Speaker 4: However, there are a few things to know.
41:21
Speaker 2: Year Number one, the FBI did consider her credible enough
41:24
Speaker 2: that they interviewed her four separate times. Okay, That indicates
41:27
Speaker 2: that they took the claim seriously. Also, in addition to
41:31
Speaker 2: her reports and interviews with the FBI, one of her
41:34
Speaker 2: friends also actually called into the FBI to say, Hey,
41:38
Speaker 2: this happened to my friend. You know, Trump and Epstein
41:41
Speaker 2: sexually used my friend. So you have not only her,
41:44
Speaker 2: but you have a friend as well who also separately
41:47
Speaker 2: called in to the FBI's.
41:49
Speaker 4: Anonymous tip line. Then you also have this.
41:52
Speaker 2: Let's put this next piece up on the screen. This
41:54
Speaker 2: is from the Post and Courier based in Charleston, South Carolina.
41:59
Speaker 2: And so they dug into some of this timeline because
42:03
Speaker 2: she made accusations that a lot of this abuse, not
42:05
Speaker 2: the Trump abuse actually, but the Epstein and another wealthy
42:09
Speaker 2: man abuse happened in Hilton Held, South Carolina. So they
42:13
Speaker 2: say here fuzzy memories and hard facts and sc accusers
42:16
Speaker 2: claims against Epstein and Trump examined, and what they found,
42:20
Speaker 2: using archive, government records and news accounts was that the
42:23
Speaker 2: woman did provide verifiable details to agents about her family
42:27
Speaker 2: background and its legal entanglements. She offered the name of
42:30
Speaker 2: an Epstein business associate on Hilton Had Island who became
42:33
Speaker 2: a central figure in the drama, with specifics that are
42:36
Speaker 2: reflected in public records.
42:38
Speaker 4: So this is a horrifying situation.
42:40
Speaker 2: Allegedly, her mother rented out a number of properties Hilton
42:45
Speaker 2: Had Island, you guys probably know, is like big resort area,
42:48
Speaker 2: and one of the houses she rented to was to
42:51
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. Separately, she advertised that her daughter, who was
42:55
Speaker 2: thirteen at the time, was available as a babysitter, and
42:57
Speaker 2: lo and behold, who again alleged hires her is Jeffrey Epstein,
43:02
Speaker 2: who then proceeds to abuse her, proceeds to have a
43:05
Speaker 2: wealthy friend, business owner in Hilton, South Carolina, also abuse her,
43:10
Speaker 2: and then when her mother discovers that Epstein had nude
43:15
Speaker 2: photos of her, Epstein allegedly again extorts this woman's This
43:21
Speaker 2: then girl's mother and says, I'm going to release these
43:24
Speaker 2: photos if you don't pay me this money. So she
43:28
Speaker 2: goes to her boss, who is the wealthy business owner
43:31
Speaker 2: who is also abusing her daughter, and arranges to get
43:35
Speaker 2: this money to pay off Jeffrey Epstein who is now
43:38
Speaker 2: extorting her. And this is all like she ultimately ends
43:42
Speaker 2: up being sued by this company for this money, et cetera.
43:45
Speaker 2: So there is a paper trail of all of these
43:49
Speaker 2: details which seem to match up with what the allegations
43:53
Speaker 2: ultimately say. And then the last part of this that
43:55
Speaker 2: is just so incredibly sad is that this allegedly pushes
43:59
Speaker 2: her mother into drinking. She her life falls Apart, of course,
44:03
Speaker 2: this young girl thirteen years old, her whole life falls apart,
44:07
Speaker 2: and you know, she's in and out of relationships after that,
44:11
Speaker 2: and you know, struggling with addiction and all of those
44:14
Speaker 2: sorts of things. And one of her one of her husbands,
44:19
Speaker 2: said that she had told him that the reason she
44:23
Speaker 2: was so traumatized and you know, her life was such
44:25
Speaker 2: a mess, was because of this abuse from Jeffrey Epstein. So, again,
44:29
Speaker 2: we don't know about the Trump part of this story.
44:31
Speaker 2: Obviously he denies it, et cetera. But the other details
44:35
Speaker 2: she offered in the context of this overall allegation and
44:39
Speaker 2: story do line up with the timeline, the places, the people,
44:43
Speaker 2: the even the you know, the court records.
44:45
Speaker 1: Et cetera. Yeah, I think the biographical detail confirmation is important.
44:49
Speaker 1: I will say on the Trump stuff, it is. I've
44:51
Speaker 1: looked into this one. It's very hard to believe. So
44:54
Speaker 1: Mark Epstein, the brother says Epstein never had a property
44:57
Speaker 1: in South Carolina. Also, the year doesn't make any sense.
45:00
Speaker 1: So Epstein was only thirty years old in nineteen eighty four.
45:02
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty four is long before he had any real money.
45:05
Speaker 1: This even pre dates his initial relationship with Wexner. There's
45:08
Speaker 1: no reason he would have known. Donald Trump was already
45:10
Speaker 1: a billionaire at this time. Actually, nineteen eighty four is
45:14
Speaker 1: right around the time whenever he's fired for bear Stearns
45:17
Speaker 1: and that he goes starts the Jay Epstein company of
45:19
Speaker 1: the so called like this is when I think he
45:22
Speaker 1: was involved in a lot of these deep intelligence activities. Now,
45:25
Speaker 1: the skivy behavior part with Epstein may actually, I mean,
45:27
Speaker 1: it could be true. You know, we don't really know
45:29
Speaker 1: for sure. A lot of that portion of his life
45:31
Speaker 1: is extremely unknown, so it is possible. We do know
45:34
Speaker 1: that he had this sketchy behavior with young girls at
45:37
Speaker 1: the Dalton School, and obviously this is something I've been
45:39
Speaker 1: fetishizing and obsessed with, you know, for a long time.
45:43
Speaker 1: But the Trump part of this one really doesn't make
45:45
Speaker 1: a lot of sense because there's just no reason that
45:48
Speaker 1: they would have known each other back in eighty four,
45:50
Speaker 1: and there's no public reporting around that at the time. Now,
45:53
Speaker 1: she could be getten the date wrong. It could be
45:55
Speaker 1: you know, it could be wrong, but that's the she
45:57
Speaker 1: specifically says, nineteen eighty four, and everything I know about
46:00
Speaker 1: his life, it doesn't make any sense. So he the bear.
46:04
Speaker 2: Stearns fallout happened in eighty one, and so in eighty
46:08
Speaker 2: four he was operating this company he founded in New
46:11
Speaker 2: York that was allegedly providing company, yeah right, providing advice
46:16
Speaker 2: to wealthy clients, et cetera. So he has not fully
46:19
Speaker 2: established himself as these.
46:21
Speaker 1: This is when I think he was an economic hitman,
46:23
Speaker 1: like he was doing the Hoffenberg the Ponzi scheme. Eighty
46:27
Speaker 1: four is in the It was before he's really rich, right.
46:29
Speaker 1: He didn't become actually rich until the early nineteen nineties,
46:32
Speaker 1: So this is the time whenever he's working with Douglas
46:35
Speaker 1: Lease and ad Na Kashogi. I think this is really
46:37
Speaker 1: when he got a lot of his intelligence Bonafi. I
46:39
Speaker 1: also remember in the early nineteen eighties, that's right when
46:42
Speaker 1: he's working with Iran Contra. I wouldn't put it past
46:44
Speaker 1: him some of the behavior necessarily, I hadn't heard, you know,
46:47
Speaker 1: specifically though, anything about extortion. I mean, who knows, though
46:50
Speaker 1: this is part of the problem. A lot of the
46:51
Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties. We really don't know a lot about him.
46:55
Speaker 1: But the Trump part on this one, I'm not buying
46:57
Speaker 1: it yet, at least that's from what i've and I'm
47:00
Speaker 1: just saying I call it like I see it. If
47:02
Speaker 1: I'd seen more, if i'd seen some stuff fro the
47:04
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties or any of that, I would definitely have believed.
47:06
Speaker 1: I will say it's sketchy, you know, not releasing it.
47:08
Speaker 1: That's that part I think we can definitely agree on.
47:11
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