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- Lucas: There's this assumption in sales that referrals are something you earn after the deal is signed. You deliver, you delight, then you ask the happy customer to introduce you to someone like them. Luna: Right. That's the standard playbook — post-sale referral request, usually after a few months of good service. Lucas: But a rep I know named Sarah turned that on its head. She was selling a mid-market HR analytics platform, deal size about $80,000 annual contract value. Her prospect was the VP of People at a regional retail chain. Everything was going well — multiple demos, a strong business case — until it stalled. Luna: Stalled how? Price? Timing? Lucas: The VP went quiet. No objections, just silence. Sarah had been following up for three weeks — emails, voicemails, a LinkedIn message. Nothing. So she tried something different. She called the VP and said, 'I can see this isn't moving forward right now, and that's fine. But I'd like your help with something else.' Luna: That's a bold opener. What did the VP say? Lucas: He was relieved. He thought she was going to push for a close. Instead, she asked if he knew anyone at a similar company who might be a better fit for what they were building. She said, 'You've seen the product, you understand the value proposition. Who else in your network wrestles with the same retention problem?' Luna: So she asked for a referral before the deal was done. That's interesting because it completely reframes the conversation. Lucas: Exactly. The VP paused and said, 'Actually, my counterpart at a logistics firm — same size, similar challenges — she's been complaining about this exact issue.' He made the intro that afternoon. Luna: And what happened with the original deal? Lucas: It closed two weeks later. The VP told Sarah later that her willingness to step back and ask for help was what convinced him she wasn't just transactional. He said, 'If you're that confident in the product that you'd send me to someone else, I should probably buy it.' Luna: So asking for a referral actually de-risked the purchase in his mind. It signaled that Sarah believed in the solution enough to put her reputation on the line. Lucas: That's the core insight. When you ask for a referral before the deal is closed, you're implicitly saying, 'I'm not desperate for this one signature. I'm building a business.' That kind of confidence is magnetic. Luna: But doesn't it risk making the buyer feel used? Like you're just mining their network? Lucas: It can, if you're clumsy. Sarah was careful. She didn't say, 'Give me names.' She framed it as, 'You understand this space better than I do. Who would benefit from seeing what you've seen?' Luna: So it's a consultative ask, not a demand. Lucas: Exactly. And she also gave the VP an easy out: 'If no one comes to mind, totally fine.' That lowered the pressure. The VP felt like a peer, not a lead source. Luna: Let's talk about timing. Most reps wait until after implementation, when the customer is happy. Sarah asked during the stall. What's the advantage of doing it earlier? Lucas: Several things. First, it re-engages a stalled deal without being pushy. Second, it surfaces objections indirectly — if the buyer is reluctant to refer, they might not fully believe in the product yet. Third, it creates reciprocity. The VP did Sarah a favor by making the intro; that made him more invested in her success. Luna: And it also gives you a second pipeline opportunity without starting from scratch. The referred prospect comes with built-in social proof. Lucas: Right. Sarah's referred deal closed at $95,000 — larger than the original. And the VP later told her that the referral conversation was the turning point. He said, 'You treated me like a partner, not a target.' Luna: I wonder how often this actually works. It seems like it requires a certain level of trust already built. You can't do this on the first call. Lucas: Absolutely. Sarah had done multiple demos, shared ROI models, built rapport over three months. The referral ask came after she'd earned the right to have that conversation. If you try it too early, you'll seem presumptuous. Luna: Are there any risks beyond seeming transactional? Lucas: One risk: if the buyer says no to a referral, it might reveal that they have doubts you haven't addressed. But that's actually useful information. You can then ask, 'What's holding you back from feeling confident enough to introduce me?' That can reopen the stalled deal. Luna: So it's a diagnostic tool as much as a pipeline tactic. Lucas: Exactly. Sarah told me that in one of her early attempts, the buyer said, 'I'm not sure I'd want to send anyone to you yet because I'm still not convinced about the integration.' That objection had never come up in their previous conversations. It let her address it directly. Luna: I think a lot of reps are afraid to ask for referrals at all, let alone before the deal is closed. There's a fear of rejection or of seeming needy. Lucas: Which is why the framing matters so much. You're not asking for a favor. You're asking for their expertise. 'You've seen our product up close. Who else in your network is dealing with the same challenge?' It's a compliment to their judgment. Luna: And it flips the dynamic from seller-buyer to collaborator-collaborator. Lucas: Right. Sarah's approach reminds me of a concept from Chris Voss — the idea of 'tactical empathy.' She acknowledged the buyer's reality and then offered a way to be useful without pressure. Luna: So what's the concrete takeaway? If a listener has a stalled deal right now, what should they say? Lucas: Call your contact and say something like: 'I respect that this might not be the right time for you. But you've been generous with your time, and I trust your perspective. Is there anyone else in your network who might benefit from a conversation with us — someone facing similar challenges?' Luna: And if they say yes, you've got a warm intro. If they say no, you've got a reason to dig deeper. Lucas: It's a low-risk, high-upside move. And it only takes a few minutes. Luna: Quick honest thing — a handful of listeners chip in monthly through buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo, and that's literally what funds making this many episodes ad-free. Lucas: Yeah, it's a small group, but it keeps the lights on and lets us keep sharing stories like Sarah's. If these conversations have moved your work forward in some small way, that's the community that makes it possible. Luna: And we get to stay independent, which means we can talk about whatever actually works, not what's sponsored. Lucas: So back to Sarah — the other thing she did was follow up with the VP after the referral intro. She sent a handwritten note thanking him for the introduction. That reinforced the relationship. Luna: Small touches matter. It's not just about the ask; it's about the follow-through. Lucas: Exactly. The VP later became one of her biggest advocates. He even called the referred company's CEO to vouch for her. That kind of advocacy doesn't happen if you just send a generic thank-you email. Luna: So the lesson isn't just 'ask for referrals earlier.' It's 'ask in a way that honors the buyer's expertise and builds a genuine partnership.' Lucas: That's the thread. When you treat the buyer as a collaborator rather than a close, you unlock doors you didn't even know were there.