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Credlin | 19 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Quedlin live from year twenty four.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Predline. Finally tonight, years of fighting a big
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Speaker 2: sign of hope for Victorian farmers. It's massive Labour's intrusive
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Speaker 2: V nine West transmission line is dead if Jess Wilson
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Speaker 2: wins in November. The man who's spearheaded this fight, Farmer's
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Speaker 2: Fight Back founder Ben Duckson joins me shortly. Pressure intensifies
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Speaker 2: on Labour's MATCHO of his cuts to veteran health and
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Speaker 2: that botched meeting this week. In question time today, the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister was forced to step in. We'll speak with
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Speaker 2: the former fighter pilot who was in the room as
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Speaker 2: veterans groups now demand his resignation. Plus more on the
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Speaker 2: convicted child sex offender, a foreign national pleading to remain
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Speaker 2: in Australia because he's homosexual, and claims of fake migration agents.
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke. He's gone missing and still hasn't delivered that
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Speaker 2: big reform speech he promised, and Labor today added again
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Speaker 2: despite analysis, it clearly reveals pressure on housing and increasing rents.
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Speaker 2: The Housing Minister wants you to believe that This is
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Speaker 2: a government that doesn't lie. Only listen to the slip
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Speaker 2: of tongue from her colleague.
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Speaker 3: We should try to speak the truth in this chamber whenever,
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Speaker 3: not the fictional world that's been created by those officers.
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Speaker 3: Of course, this government closed the labor liar loophole, which
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Speaker 3: meant that that many people doing the same job.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll do it again.
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Speaker 4: Order the labor higher loophole, a labor higher loop.
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Speaker 2: Hop Okay, I make it up. Can you for first
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Speaker 2: calls for the resignation of veterans Minister mat Keo only
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Speaker 2: intensified today now yesterday you recall the incredible report from
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Speaker 2: the delegation of Veterans about their meeting with Keo after
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Speaker 2: he was shamed into giving him giving them time.
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Speaker 5: In his diary, Minister Keyo was forced to have a
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Speaker 5: meeting with us at five point thirty. It was obvious
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Speaker 5: he did not want to be there. He even let
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Speaker 5: us know that he was missing an appointment with the
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Speaker 5: Governor General, which he was very upset about. He walked
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Speaker 5: into the room, refused to shake our hand, sat down
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Speaker 5: with his arms crossed, and rolled his eyes when we
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Speaker 5: started telling him about the effect that this cap already
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Speaker 5: is having on veterans.
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Speaker 2: There's two from the mother of a young naval officer
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Speaker 2: who took his own life.
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Speaker 6: Why would anybody want to join the ADF with him
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Speaker 6: as the Minister for Defense Personnel and the Minister for veterans.
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Speaker 6: He doesn't care about them. Let's call him out, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 6: The minister's position is untenable and he needs to go,
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Speaker 6: and you need to meet with us. You promised me
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Speaker 6: in opposition that you would look after veterans. You are
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Speaker 6: failing us.
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Speaker 2: And then this exchange with our political editor Andrew Clanell.
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Speaker 7: His officer have said to me he didn't want to
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Speaker 7: trouble you guys to stand, okay, I'll see your reaction
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Speaker 7: to that, and that he shook all your hands on
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Speaker 7: the way out. What do you say to that, mate.
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Speaker 8: We've met with various politicians and political and media people
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Speaker 8: what we've been here, and including labor politicians who were great,
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Speaker 8: They were gracious. Everyone has shook the hands of the veterans.
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Speaker 8: Everyone has spoken to us with respect and we've shown respect.
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Speaker 8: But it was a different scenario with Minister Keo. There
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Speaker 8: is a disdain that I think when you speak to
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Speaker 8: the veteran community and those serving. It's been obvious since
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Speaker 8: he was appointed minister.
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Speaker 7: What happened though in that meeting? Did he listen to
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Speaker 7: your concerns about the Allied healthcare cap? Did he express
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Speaker 7: any sympathy?
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Speaker 8: No sympathy at all. He actually said to us at
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Speaker 8: one stage that you know, if we see a veteran
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Speaker 8: going through a process rehabilitation and say after twelve treatments
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Speaker 8: there has been no improvement, why would we continue this?
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Speaker 2: By mid morning today, the calls for Keo's resignation were
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Speaker 2: only growing. By question time, he was clearly under pressure.
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Speaker 9: He is the minister confident veterans would agree he is
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Speaker 9: upholding the Covenant oath.
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Speaker 10: Why on earth hasn't the minister picked up the phone
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Speaker 10: to the CEO of the organization representing Australia's war widows.
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Speaker 9: How can the Minister continue as Minister for the Veterans' Affairs
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Speaker 9: and Defense Personnel if he cannot uphold defense values.
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Speaker 10: Former Air Force fighter jet pilot doctor Tim Nelson spoke
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Speaker 10: about the minister's behavior in a meeting and I quote
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Speaker 10: he walked into the room, refused to shake our hand,
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Speaker 10: sat down with his arms crossed and rolled his eyes. Yesterday,
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Speaker 10: the Minister told the House and I quote, I don't
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Speaker 10: agree with the characteration that you've just outlined. Is the
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Speaker 10: minister calling this veteran a lyle.
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Speaker 2: When the Opposition leader got to his feed, he laid
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Speaker 2: out the minister's catalog of incompetence and failure. It was
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Speaker 2: hard then to see how he could survive.
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Speaker 11: Yesterday, the Minister for Veterans Affairs admitted he got it
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Speaker 11: wrong and refusing to meet with veterans to discuss Labour's
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Speaker 11: cruel cap on Allied health services. He also got it
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Speaker 11: wrong on trying to put a use by date on
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Speaker 11: medallic recognition. He got it wrong on refusing to support
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Speaker 11: the Invictors Games, and he got it wrong on cutting
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Speaker 11: funding for the family of fallen Victoria Cross hero Cameron Baird,
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Speaker 11: vc MG. Why won't the Prime Minister sack this incompetent
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Speaker 11: and disrespectful minister.
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Speaker 2: Well, despite that, the Prime Minister backed him in saying this.
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Speaker 12: I have every confidence in the minute.
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Speaker 2: Weakness will be Albanzi's epitaph. What started out as a
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Speaker 2: lamentable decision by Minister mat Keo to refuse to meet
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Speaker 2: the delegation a former military personnel who traveled especially to
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Speaker 2: Canberra to meet him to appeal his decision to cut
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Speaker 2: their access to Allied health services has now snowballed into
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Speaker 2: a test of leadership for Keo's boss. Now, if John
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Speaker 2: Howard were in the lodge, the Veterans Minister or he
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Speaker 2: would be gone already. But rather than penalize weak ministers,
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Speaker 2: Albanesi runs a protection racket for them. That's why his
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Speaker 2: front bench is now crowded with individuals whose personal conduct
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Speaker 2: and portfolio performance should have meant early retirement. It's not
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Speaker 2: just the snouts in the trough, like Arnaca Wells, who
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Speaker 2: thinks she's entitled to act like a D grade celebrity
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Speaker 2: rather than a servant of the people. It's the fact
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Speaker 2: that people like Koh are not held to the same
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Speaker 2: standards that are now expected in the real world and
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Speaker 2: at once we got from our elected leaders. Look at
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Speaker 2: the case of Darwin based Labor MP Luke Gosling, the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's Special Envoy for Defense. He faces the serious
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Speaker 2: criminal chargers now after fourteen years in prison for allegedly
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Speaker 2: assaulting the NT's Special Administrator, but he remains in his job.
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Speaker 2: Compare that with the Sydney Swans. The AFL players stood
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Speaker 2: down this afternoon, even before a concluded police investigation, and
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Speaker 2: in the absence to date of any chargers. In the past,
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Speaker 2: ministers went under the bus over a color TV, a
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Speaker 2: Paddington bearer, a teenage son racking up a big phone bill,
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Speaker 2: or a helicopter ride. Not so today. Indeed, under alban
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Speaker 2: Easy is anything left a sackable offense. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: thinks he wins p for being loyal, but loyalty should
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Speaker 2: only be extended where it's deserved. Otherwise leadership is eroded
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Speaker 2: excusing bad behavior in competence. This respect is not loyalty,
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Speaker 2: in fact, it's weakness. It says that the party leader
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Speaker 2: lacks the internal capital to make tough but necessary decisions
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Speaker 2: with our caucus or party room repercussions. Albanesi has a
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Speaker 2: massive parliamentary majority, and hanging on to deadwood or worse,
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Speaker 2: ministers like Keo who are actually causing collateral damage to
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Speaker 2: the government, well that breeds disquiet. Talented backbenches would not
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Speaker 2: be happy that Albanese's willingness to excuse Keo protects the
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Speaker 2: status quo and hampers their advancement. Understand too. The signal
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Speaker 2: this sends to the wider ministry that underperformance will be
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Speaker 2: excused and indeed tolerated. Now, this is a shocking outcome
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Speaker 2: for voters. Legislating legislation caps the number of ministers in
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Speaker 2: Australia federally at thirty positions only, and that should create
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Speaker 2: a competitive force that pushes MPs to excel in order
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Speaker 2: to gain or keep a promotion. But this benefit disappears
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Speaker 2: if poor performance goes unpunished, and if bad behavior is protected,
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Speaker 2: it means too that new talent doesn't get advanced. Once again,
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Speaker 2: like his own disrespect towards the Japanese Prime Minister. All
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Speaker 2: of this goes to Albanese's character as a leader and
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Speaker 2: the character of his government. Words are cheap when the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister stands at the dispatch box as he did
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Speaker 2: yesterday to commemorate the sixtieth anniversary of the Battle of
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Speaker 2: Long Tan on Vietnam Veterans Day, but then sits on
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Speaker 2: his hands while his Veterans minister shows them sustained and
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Speaker 2: repeated contempt that Keyo must resign and if he won't,
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Speaker 2: they're the Prime Minister must sack him. Now, believe me,
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Speaker 2: if there is one group a politician does not want
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Speaker 2: to go to war with. That is our veterans. They
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Speaker 2: have been trained to put their lives on the line
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Speaker 2: and to kill. I know who's going to win here,
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Speaker 2: and it will not be the minister who can barely
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Speaker 2: look up from the dispatch box. Let's head to Camberan
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Speaker 2: now for the headlines. Our political reporter on standby cam
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Speaker 2: Reddin good evening.
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Speaker 13: The so called widow's tax is no more. The Parliament
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Speaker 13: has agreed to amend it out of Labour's reform package.
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Speaker 9: Shame on this government.
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Speaker 14: I commend Angus Taylor, the leader of the Opposition, for
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Speaker 14: sustaining this campaign to bring about change, and.
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Speaker 4: I think those who have contributed to this debate and
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Speaker 4: I welcome the passage of this and I know that
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Speaker 4: Treasure welcomes the passage of this bill.
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Speaker 13: The National Australia Bank, Ray White and the Labor Government
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Speaker 13: have all sorts of play down suggestions the rental market
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Speaker 13: is about to spike.
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Speaker 5: I think there has been a lot of irresponsible and
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Speaker 5: unnecessary scare mongering when it comes to the impact of
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Speaker 5: the government's tax reforms.
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Speaker 13: The Major Bank and Real Estate Agency have clarified reports
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Speaker 13: rents could rise by up to thirty percent due to
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Speaker 13: the tax changes. They argue, that's how much they would
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Speaker 13: need to rise to compensate for the loss of property
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Speaker 13: tax concessions. But it's not a projection of where prices
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Speaker 13: will go.
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Speaker 15: Is the Minister damn proud of making millions of Australians
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Speaker 15: pay higher rents?
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Speaker 4: So I just want to remind the Parliament that when
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Speaker 4: they came into the Parliament yesterday they accused the National
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Speaker 4: Australia Bank of saying the same thing, and then the
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Speaker 4: National Australia Bank clarified this was not a forecast and
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Speaker 4: it is important to note that we do not forecast
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Speaker 4: rental yields seriously.
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Speaker 13: Cameron Reddin, News twenty four Canberra.
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Speaker 2: We'll stay with that' spin there from the Minister today
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Speaker 2: Warnings from Australia's largest rent role manager, Ray White, who
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Speaker 2: says Labour's budget could lead to a thirty percent spike
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Speaker 2: in the costs for tenants. Now extraordinarily front pages there
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Speaker 2: you can see of the paper showcases the surge of
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Speaker 2: rents in the Treasurer's own electorate of Lily up almost
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Speaker 2: thirty percent in some homes. Joining me now on my
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Speaker 2: panel they both of course, News twenty four hosts James
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Speaker 2: Morrow and Jamie Rodgers will stay with that issue there
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Speaker 2: in relation to rents, James, because labor did this in
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Speaker 2: the past. They famously reversed negative gearing in the mid eighties.
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Speaker 2: It caused a spike in rents. They then had to
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Speaker 2: drop it and reverse policy. Course. Now, Jim Chalmers did
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Speaker 2: his PhD in Paul Keating. Didn't he learn anything?
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Speaker 16: Well, you know, it's interesting when you say that he
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Speaker 16: did his doctorate in Keating. I think it's more than
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Speaker 16: he is doctorate in Keating ology. He did not do
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Speaker 16: his doctorate in economics, so I think he'd like people
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Speaker 16: to think he did. But it was all about just
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Speaker 16: sort of the politics of Paul Keating, not really about,
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Speaker 16: you know, the economic reform that Paul Keating drove. That
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Speaker 16: Paul Keating being a fairly different Paul Keating of course
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Speaker 16: than the one we see these days. If he had
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Speaker 16: learned anything from that government though in his time is treasure,
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Speaker 16: it would be that this sort of interference in the
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Speaker 16: market is going to have all sorts of unintended consequences.
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Speaker 16: It's having it with rents, with the wealth effect, with
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Speaker 16: people feeling less confident in the economy. But Peter, what
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Speaker 16: do we overall expect. I mean, this is a government
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Speaker 16: that things food come from the supermarket and that money
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Speaker 16: grows on trees. So of course we're in this situation here,
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Speaker 16: and it's going to cause all sorts of problems. Before
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Speaker 16: they start unwinding.
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Speaker 2: It, they could say, oh, they like that rents are
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Speaker 2: not going out, But if you are in a property
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Speaker 2: and you've just got to notice that the landlord's hiking
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Speaker 2: the rents, if you're outside your least term, Jamie, the
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Speaker 2: government's basically adding insult to injury. They're telling them, you know,
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Speaker 2: the gas lighting you. And we can see from that
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Speaker 2: analysis today of his own Seat of Lily, rates are hiking,
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Speaker 2: and the hiking fast.
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Speaker 15: And we also see it online, Peter. There's people that
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Speaker 15: are constantly writing saying so much for treasuries modeling of
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Speaker 15: rent only going up by two dollars a week, when
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Speaker 15: we're seeing it going up by five dollars or ten
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Speaker 15: dollars or thirty dollars in some cases. And to your point,
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Speaker 15: it's the government that are just continuing to gaslight the voters.
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Speaker 15: But also just take us all for mugs. We need
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Speaker 15: you to be serious on what's going on in our economy.
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Speaker 15: And when we're seeing reports that investor home loans as
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Speaker 15: well as first buyer home loans are all on the decline,
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Speaker 15: it shows that something isn't working right now, and when
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Speaker 15: you want something that's more of it, you don't go
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Speaker 15: out and tax it. And we're also still not addressing
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Speaker 15: the underlying issue that is facing our housing crisis, and
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Speaker 15: that still supply construction have got red tape and make
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Speaker 15: it incredibly hard to go out and build. It's expensive,
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Speaker 15: and we're seeing construction companies going under and of course
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Speaker 15: record numbers of people coming into this country. So we've
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Speaker 15: got a real supply crisis here, Peter, and it's not
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Speaker 15: being addressed.
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Speaker 2: Jamie. I'll stay with you if I can. I know
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Speaker 2: you're involved in a footy club. Of course, it's another
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Speaker 2: code than the AFL. But that news today that those
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Speaker 2: Swans players have been suspended, it's for club related breaches.
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Speaker 2: At this stage the police investigation into the claims from
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Speaker 2: the weekend is still ongoing. But I want to call
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Speaker 2: out this lecture from Labour's Tanya Plebisik. Now she's gone
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Speaker 2: out there with a whole lot of high moral ground
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Speaker 2: language about these allegations. But last week she was out
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Speaker 2: there defending the Prime Minister and his appalling conduct. She
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Speaker 2: wasn't just silent on his podcast conduct, she defended it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is rank hypocrisy, It really is.
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Speaker 15: Peter and Madeline King was also on with Kieran Gilbert
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Speaker 15: during the day, also talking about the Sydney Swan situation.
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Speaker 15: And it's unfortunately the reality that Anthony Albanezi has put
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Speaker 15: his female MPs into this position because Tanya Plibasek should
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Speaker 15: be out there standing up for women and defending and
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Speaker 15: standing up against poor behavior. But unfortunately now when she's
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Speaker 15: doing that, you should see the social media comments that
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Speaker 15: are underneath that post that you just showed. Is scathing
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Speaker 15: if people saying, hang on a second, you're calling out
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Speaker 15: institutions that shape young boys and that they should set
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Speaker 15: a standard, and yet you've allowed a standard within the
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Speaker 15: leader of the Prime Minister to just go unnoticed or
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Speaker 15: go and defend it. So the Prime Minister also needs
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Speaker 15: to be setting a standard of what's acceptable behavior in
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Speaker 15: this country. He is the leader and unfortunately now every
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Speaker 15: time one of his female MPs tries to stand up
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Speaker 15: for women. This is the hypocrisy that they're now going
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Speaker 15: to face.
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Speaker 2: Not all disrespect ends up in violence against women, but
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Speaker 2: all violence against women starts with this reptipt, and that's
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Speaker 2: the nexus I think the Prime Minister needs to remember.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to that announcement for One Nation yesterday. They
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Speaker 2: want a serious cut of the excise on tobacco James
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Speaker 2: I went it down by seventy five percent. They want
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Speaker 2: to tackle obviously the black market, but in particular organized crime.
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Speaker 2: Reports today that the coalitionians also looking at some sort
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Speaker 2: of cut eighty percent, and very strange bedfellows here incomes
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Premier Chris Mins.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 17: Well, to be honest with you, I've been calling for
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Speaker 17: the same thing for about a year, so it'd be
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Speaker 17: pretty disingenuous to come on after one nation agreed with
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Speaker 17: that policy and say they're wrong. So I'm not going
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Speaker 17: to say that. I mean, the grim reality is that
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Speaker 17: the excise has pushed up the legal cost of cigarettes
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Speaker 17: in our economy, and at the same time the black
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Speaker 17: market has exploded.
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Speaker 2: Yet again. James, I mean all credit to mens here.
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Speaker 2: He's decided to play the policy game, not the politics game.
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Speaker 2: He has argued for it. He didn't try and walk
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Speaker 2: away from that today. And I think this is the
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Speaker 2: debate that the robust adult debate we have to have
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Speaker 2: about tobacco pricing in this country.
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Speaker 16: Well yeah, I mean, look, we are addicted to excise taxes,
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Speaker 16: not just tobacco taxes, but alcohol taxes as well of
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Speaker 16: other syn taxes in this country. Yes, of course, I
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Speaker 16: mean the basic economics of it are such. Again, it
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Speaker 16: goes back to labor Chris Men's accepted failure to understand,
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Speaker 16: you know, the way the economy and taxes work. There's
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Speaker 16: a thing called the Laffer curve where it shows that
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Speaker 16: at a certain point, if you raise taxes so high,
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Speaker 16: then the revenue drops off. We long ago hit that
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Speaker 16: there's billions of dollars missing in the budget from tobacco
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Speaker 16: excise tax because everybody who smokes, all the people I
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Speaker 16: know who spoke, they're all buying illegal cigarettes. And the
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Speaker 16: law enforcement, the bureaucracy that, you know, all of the
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Speaker 16: stuff that Chris Mens's government has to deal with in
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Speaker 16: terms of enforcing the laws here. He doesn't want to
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Speaker 16: have to deal with this. So yeah, okay, fine, maybe
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Speaker 16: a few more people might smoke, but this way of
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Speaker 16: taxing smoking out of existence. You have to admit that
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Speaker 16: it's been an absolute failure. So yeah, good on Chrispins.
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Speaker 16: I'd like to see the coalition come along for the
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Speaker 16: ride on it. But ultimately I'd like to see the
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Speaker 16: federal government look at that and also, you know, look
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Speaker 16: at other syntaxes which are again some of the highest
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Speaker 16: in the world when it comes to buying a beer
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Speaker 16: or a bal of spirits in this country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have an issue, and I've long had an
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Speaker 2: issue with a discrepancy between the taxation on spirits and
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Speaker 2: the taxation on beer. I'd like to say, and wine.
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Speaker 2: I'd like to see a bit of equity there. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to this story about battery fires. This has been coming.
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Speaker 2: We've warned about this. There's an example in the press
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Speaker 2: today about a huge battery fire at a home in Wa.
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Speaker 2: It happened a day after this Bowen battery was installed. Jamie,
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Speaker 2: this has got Labour's pink bat scheme written all over it.
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Speaker 15: To me, the really concerning number within that article, Peter
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Speaker 15: is sixty two percent of bat trees that were assessed
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Speaker 15: were deemed to be substandard. And it ultimately did come
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Speaker 15: down majority of those two incorrect labeling, So off the
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Speaker 15: back of that, the government has now put in force
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Speaker 15: that you must then provide upload photographic evidence to ensure
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Speaker 15: that there is correct labeling, something that you would have
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Speaker 15: thought was probably going to be in place before this
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Speaker 15: battery program was rolled out. But when we look at
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Speaker 15: the sheer volume of numbers, five hundred thousand batteries have
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Speaker 15: been installed, the program is blown from two point three
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Speaker 15: billion to more than eight billion, and it poses the
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Speaker 15: question was the priority to get the program right and
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Speaker 15: ensure that regulations were all ticked off appropriately or was
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Speaker 15: the plan just to quick roll these out as quickly
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Speaker 15: as you can and then sort out the regulation later on,
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Speaker 15: And I fear it's the latter.
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Speaker 2: Thank you to you both, James and Jamie for more.
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Speaker 2: Now on the pressure facing the Veterans Minister, who stands
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Speaker 2: accused of showing disinterest, even rolling his eyes, refusing to
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Speaker 2: shake the hands of veterans all over a meeting as
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Speaker 2: they can to Canberra to lobby against his cuts to
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Speaker 2: their allied health services. One of the people in the
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Speaker 2: room at the time former rapt fighter pilot doctor Tim Nelson. Now,
21:10
Speaker 2: of course a medical doctor was there and I'm pleased
21:13
Speaker 2: to say, he joins us now, Tim, thank you for
21:16
Speaker 2: your time. I'm sorry I'm talking to you under these circumstances,
21:19
Speaker 2: and I think many of my viewers had the same disgust,
21:24
Speaker 2: really that you have to go to Canberra with a
21:26
Speaker 2: begging bowl to get services that we all think veterans
21:30
Speaker 2: should be entitled to. The Minister admitted he got it
21:33
Speaker 2: wrong when he didn't give you that meeting from the outset,
21:35
Speaker 2: but he doesn't share your criticism about how he conducted
21:39
Speaker 2: himself in the meeting. There's been no apology in relation
21:43
Speaker 2: to the claim that you have that he was petulant,
21:46
Speaker 2: that he didn't shake hands, all of that. Do you
21:48
Speaker 2: stand by your comments per better?
21:55
Speaker 5: I call it as it is. I had three other
21:57
Speaker 5: veterans in that room with me with over eighty years
21:59
Speaker 5: expeace sperience in the defense at the highest possible levels
22:03
Speaker 5: you look at I'm not a liar. I call it
22:07
Speaker 5: as I see it. My job used to be flying
22:10
Speaker 5: fighter jets. It was a fighter combat instructor whose role
22:15
Speaker 5: was to pick up minute errors that were made, recall
22:19
Speaker 5: those errors, at times flying a nine G in the aircraft,
22:25
Speaker 5: and also then being able to come back recall those
22:29
Speaker 5: on the ground and being able to debrief those so
22:32
Speaker 5: to Actually, it's a bit of an insult to think
22:35
Speaker 5: that I've mischaracterized what actually happened in that room and
22:38
Speaker 5: what the other soldiers and Naval clearance divers in that
22:42
Speaker 5: room are also confirmed.
22:46
Speaker 2: Seeing it's blown up to a national news story in
22:48
Speaker 2: the last forty eight hours, what's been the response of
22:52
Speaker 2: other veterans through around the country.
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Speaker 5: Complete disgrace. I mean it's coming from everywhere, all in
23:03
Speaker 5: the socials, all throughout the military network, the veterans network.
23:07
Speaker 5: No one can actually fathom that the minister who was
23:12
Speaker 5: in charge of defense personnel and veterans could be so
23:16
Speaker 5: petty and to be coming in and making accusations about
23:22
Speaker 5: decorated veterans, mischaracterizing what they saw.
23:27
Speaker 2: In a room from their leader.
23:29
Speaker 5: Everyone's in art of disbelief, and it really just consolidates
23:33
Speaker 5: that across the community. Everyone's saying he is not fit
23:37
Speaker 5: to be in office.
23:39
Speaker 2: You know, it did strike me when he was complaining
23:42
Speaker 2: that he was missing an event with the Governor General.
23:45
Speaker 2: It wasn't an appointment as he described it. It was
23:47
Speaker 2: a ceremonial drinks event. There were dozens and dozens of
23:50
Speaker 2: other MPs out there. I suspect he wasn't even missed.
23:53
Speaker 2: But I thought, my friends who are in the military,
23:58
Speaker 2: I think of people like you. I think of all
23:59
Speaker 2: the things you've missed, you know, the funerals, the birth
24:02
Speaker 2: of children, you know, just even kids' speech nights when
24:06
Speaker 2: you serve overseas. And he's upset that he misses a
24:09
Speaker 2: knees up at Yarralumla with the Governor General and wouldn't
24:13
Speaker 2: give you a meeting in the first instance. You listen
24:16
Speaker 2: to the litany of failure in that portfolio. He hasn't
24:19
Speaker 2: been there that long. What has he actually done that
24:22
Speaker 2: deserves credit from veterans?
24:26
Speaker 1: One hundred percent?
24:26
Speaker 5: Peter, I mean, when you sign up to these jobs,
24:30
Speaker 5: when you signed up to defending your country, these are
24:32
Speaker 5: just things you accept. You accept that you're going to
24:35
Speaker 5: miss on on those crucial events. You accept that your
24:37
Speaker 5: families are going to suffer. You accept that you're going
24:40
Speaker 5: to miss key events, families, friends, births of children, loved ones, funerals,
24:48
Speaker 5: and to hear from other members across the community the
24:55
Speaker 5: art of disbelief about well, firstly the fact this minister
24:59
Speaker 5: holds off us but Secondly, to hear that the Prime
25:02
Speaker 5: Minister has come out in defense saying he's got one
25:05
Speaker 5: hundred percent support is just astonishing.
25:11
Speaker 2: So if you could have a prime minister's ear, what
25:14
Speaker 2: would you say to the Prime Minister? Does he need
25:16
Speaker 2: to go? Doesn't Prime Minister need to sack him if
25:18
Speaker 2: he won't resign.
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Speaker 5: One percent one hundred percent, So nobody has confidence in
25:25
Speaker 5: his abilities. There's systemic changes within the Department of Veteran Affairs,
25:30
Speaker 5: progressively things that are deteriorating veterans. My patients, serving members
25:36
Speaker 5: are all telling me that things are getting progressively worse
25:40
Speaker 5: under his leadership. It needs systemic changes, and these systemic
25:44
Speaker 5: changes are beyond his capabilities. I believe if I had
25:48
Speaker 5: that opportunity to talk to the Prime Minister, my first
25:51
Speaker 5: recommendation to fix this issue that we're sold that we're
25:55
Speaker 5: situated with would be to scrap the cabin and to
26:00
Speaker 5: ensure that the Minister is moved upon and get somebody
26:04
Speaker 5: else in that position who is capable of leading and
26:06
Speaker 5: instigating all these changes. We need to improve the system
26:10
Speaker 5: within the Department of Defense, Polgice, Department of Veteran Affairs.
26:14
Speaker 2: I'm going to get you to expand on why the
26:15
Speaker 2: cap is such a problem in a moment. But just
26:17
Speaker 2: going back to the Prime Minister. Part of the damage
26:19
Speaker 2: control from his office immediately after you spoke the other
26:22
Speaker 2: day was for his staff, the Prime minister staff to
26:26
Speaker 2: get you to come around to speak to you, to
26:28
Speaker 2: try and hose this thing down. I'm told you were
26:30
Speaker 2: offered a meeting with the Prime Minister. Has that been scheduled.
26:37
Speaker 5: Not at this stage. No, there was an offer today
26:42
Speaker 5: to go down and meet with the Prime Minister. Unfortunately,
26:47
Speaker 5: we funded ourselves to get down there as veterans, we
26:50
Speaker 5: have commitments, we work, we serve veterans, so we had
26:53
Speaker 5: to leave last night to come home, so we were
26:56
Speaker 5: unavailable to get back down there. As I understand it,
26:59
Speaker 5: the office of the Prime Minister has extended an invitation
27:03
Speaker 5: to catch up with him, and we would be very
27:06
Speaker 5: keen to. We really want to get down there. I've
27:09
Speaker 5: got nothing but the utmost respect for the Office of
27:12
Speaker 5: the Prime Minister and for those that were in that meeting.
27:15
Speaker 1: With us earlier this week.
27:17
Speaker 5: They were very open, they showed a lot of courtesy,
27:20
Speaker 5: they showed a lot of respect as we did to them,
27:23
Speaker 5: and we were very interested as were they in the
27:27
Speaker 5: issues that we have identified, and they really seem keen
27:30
Speaker 5: to fix the system, to fix the problem, and they
27:33
Speaker 5: appear very open to be willing to consider whether this
27:37
Speaker 5: cap needs to be scrapped, which obviously is what we're
27:39
Speaker 5: advocating for. So in short, I believe the Prime Minister
27:43
Speaker 5: will Rechamp.
27:46
Speaker 2: Sorry to jump in there, I've got a bit of
27:47
Speaker 2: a delay here, but I want people to understand you
27:50
Speaker 2: are now at the pointing and you are a doctor
27:51
Speaker 2: dealing with a lot of people, including veterans. Why is
27:55
Speaker 2: this cap that's been imposed such a problem.
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Speaker 5: The big problem with it is because it hasn't been
28:03
Speaker 5: thought out. The big problem with it is that there's
28:06
Speaker 5: no clinical basis for what the Department is actually saying
28:10
Speaker 5: is behind it. It is very clear that this was
28:13
Speaker 5: just a budget saving measure. It was even advised to
28:16
Speaker 5: us by the Ministate during that meeting that it wasn't
28:19
Speaker 5: his decision, rather it was the government's decision, not a
28:22
Speaker 5: Department of Veteran Affairs decision, a government decision. The justification
28:27
Speaker 5: that was provided was that in order to increase the
28:30
Speaker 5: payments for ouried health providers, they needed to be a
28:35
Speaker 5: reduction in the usage of those So by just logical thought,
28:41
Speaker 5: it makes sense that it will limit care to veterans.
28:47
Speaker 5: Even the justification that's been provided is unjustified. There is
28:51
Speaker 5: no plan in place to be able to expedite anybody
28:55
Speaker 5: that would go over that cap. And history tells us
29:00
Speaker 5: any time you need a prior approval process for the
29:02
Speaker 5: Department of Veteran Affairs, at the very best you're waiting
29:05
Speaker 5: two months. I'm aware of one practitioner who has been
29:10
Speaker 5: waiting almost two and a half years for a prior
29:13
Speaker 5: approval process, and the department just goes silent on you.
29:18
Speaker 5: As we saw from the minister when we try and
29:19
Speaker 5: getting there to see.
29:20
Speaker 2: Him, the fish rots from the top, Tim, the fish
29:25
Speaker 2: rots from their head. So I support your call for
29:28
Speaker 2: his resignation. Thank you for joining me, Thank you for
29:30
Speaker 2: your service, and let's hope you get that many with
29:32
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. And let's hope that minister sent to
29:34
Speaker 2: the high jump bar. Thanks Tim. Right after the break
29:38
Speaker 2: a fight of an entirely different kind. There's a potential
29:41
Speaker 2: win here for farmers. Finally, the liberals in Victoria have
29:44
Speaker 2: seen since not going to review it, they're going to
29:47
Speaker 2: scrap it. The v and I renewable scheme if elected
29:50
Speaker 2: in November. More on that. Next coming up calls growing
29:59
Speaker 2: f Islamic hate preachers to appear before the Bondai Royal Commission.
30:04
Speaker 2: And just a quick mention, I think at the top,
30:05
Speaker 2: did I say Ranken or did I say Lily Jim
30:08
Speaker 2: Chalmers seat in Brisbane. If I got it wrong. If
30:11
Speaker 2: I did say Lily, it is Rankin. But first to
30:14
Speaker 2: an issue I've covered extensively here on Kredlin, the fight
30:17
Speaker 2: back from Victorian farmers in regional communities against the role
30:21
Speaker 2: out of massive transmission lines and renewable projects across some
30:25
Speaker 2: of Australia's best farming country. We're talking about, of course,
30:29
Speaker 2: the controversial V and I West transmission line that were
30:31
Speaker 2: set to rip across land from New South Wales to Victoria,
30:35
Speaker 2: and it still will if Labour's not booted out of
30:39
Speaker 2: Parliament in the November state election. Now this is an
30:42
Speaker 2: issue I cared deeply about. It was set to impact
30:45
Speaker 2: the little mally town of Woodship Proof, where I was
30:47
Speaker 2: born and bred and where you will recall we went
30:51
Speaker 2: up and visited with locals last year, talking to farmers
30:54
Speaker 2: and towns who faced economic devastation if there's billion dollar
30:59
Speaker 2: pro was forced upon.
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Speaker 18: Them, so it's renewable, Angie, at the expense of their
31:04
Speaker 18: food securityve Look what one hundred and fifty years of agriculture,
31:07
Speaker 18: how tough that's been. Mother Nature she's pretty powerful. We've
31:10
Speaker 18: maaged to work with her, fight with her. But we're
31:13
Speaker 18: still here after that. So absolutely we can take on
31:16
Speaker 18: Mother Nature and make a living. We can take on
31:18
Speaker 18: netzero Anthony Albanezi, doesn't matter if we're going to win.
31:21
Speaker 4: We've been at these guys for nearly two years and
31:24
Speaker 4: nothing we've done has changed their their stance, their plans.
31:28
Speaker 13: Land values depreciated, Our most valuable lands not even attractive anymore.
31:32
Speaker 14: We're probably going to be struggling to even sell it.
31:36
Speaker 2: After huge protests on the ground and in Melbourne. It
31:39
Speaker 2: looks like those wonderful young farmers. Isn't it great to
31:42
Speaker 2: see young farmers have a reason for some hope. Confirmation
31:45
Speaker 2: today that the Victorian Liberals and Nationals, if elected, will
31:49
Speaker 2: now abandon this much hated project. This is a big
31:53
Speaker 2: day for Victorian farmers and country community communities, but also
31:57
Speaker 2: for this man who joins me now the founder a
32:00
Speaker 2: farmer's fight back Manu local Ben Duck said, Ben, I'll
32:04
Speaker 2: tell you what I'm jumping for joy for you and
32:06
Speaker 2: everyone else I spoke to in those series of programs
32:10
Speaker 2: from up my old Way, up your Way. This must
32:14
Speaker 2: be good news for you and your mates.
32:17
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, thanks very much, Peter.
32:19
Speaker 19: We're usually talking to you after we've had a flogging
32:22
Speaker 19: from the government or Vicgrid or V and I West.
32:24
Speaker 1: So it's it's a fantastic day. It's taken a lot
32:28
Speaker 1: of work.
32:28
Speaker 19: It's been a lot of people behind the scenes, and
32:32
Speaker 19: we started the farmers fight back for the very reason that.
32:35
Speaker 1: We weren't being heard.
32:36
Speaker 19: We weren't being heard federally, we weren't being heard in
32:39
Speaker 19: the state. But over the last two two or three
32:42
Speaker 19: months the federal coalition has come out. Matt Canavan was
32:46
Speaker 19: down here three months ago promising to get rid of
32:48
Speaker 19: V and I West, and then today we hear the
32:50
Speaker 19: VIC Libs and Nationals coming out against it as well.
32:55
Speaker 19: So it's a good feeling. We know only fifty percent
33:00
Speaker 19: the job's done. We've got to get rid of WRL
33:02
Speaker 19: as well and make sure they scrapped that zero. But
33:06
Speaker 19: even to yourself, last time I was on here, you
33:10
Speaker 19: promised that you do everything to make sure this happen,
33:13
Speaker 19: and it has come through. So I started getting messages
33:16
Speaker 19: about one twenty six this morning, so I haven't slept
33:18
Speaker 19: since then, and it's been a big day. But thank
33:21
Speaker 19: you to you, thank you to our farmers fight back people,
33:24
Speaker 19: but thank you to all the people in our group
33:27
Speaker 19: that have spent four years. We're four years in fighting this.
33:32
Speaker 2: I'm nothing if not relentless.
33:33
Speaker 12: Mate.
33:33
Speaker 2: I said to you I would fight and fight and fight.
33:35
Speaker 2: And when the Libs came out and said that they would, well, sorry,
33:39
Speaker 2: before that, all credit and and Webster from the Malley.
33:43
Speaker 2: At a national level, I think she really led the charge.
33:45
Speaker 2: She got the National Coalition, the Lives of the Nats
33:48
Speaker 2: to oppose it, and I think that paved the way.
33:50
Speaker 2: But when the Libs in Victoria said that they would
33:52
Speaker 2: review this thing, you heard me here saying there's no
33:55
Speaker 2: way we're going to copy review. It must be scrapped.
33:58
Speaker 2: It's only except if it is scrapped. And that's where
34:02
Speaker 2: they came out today. And all credit here to Jess
34:05
Speaker 2: Wilson because she also told me that anyone who's been
34:09
Speaker 2: fined under those draconian laws that just into Alan ran
34:14
Speaker 2: through the Parliament in the middle of the night. Any
34:16
Speaker 2: farmer who's fine, and you know many of them, they
34:19
Speaker 2: won't have to face court and they won't have to
34:22
Speaker 2: pay those fines if there's a change of government in November,
34:26
Speaker 2: so that's even better news as well.
34:28
Speaker 19: It's fantastic And these are fantastic people.
34:32
Speaker 1: You'd know some of them as well.
34:33
Speaker 19: And you know Colin Mary Fenton in their eighties, you know,
34:37
Speaker 19: never done a thing wrong in their life, always just
34:40
Speaker 19: turned up done their job, being great community people. Rob
34:43
Speaker 19: greg and Robin Roberts in their seventies as well, same
34:46
Speaker 19: sort of thing. They would have done nothing wrong in
34:48
Speaker 19: their life. And then the Bourbwins who you've had on
34:51
Speaker 19: here as well, who called the police when vic Grid
34:54
Speaker 19: Liaison officers were actually trespassing on their property and actually
34:59
Speaker 19: got booked, got charged themselves by the Victorian police. So
35:04
Speaker 19: they've overridden are really immoral and dirty tricks and sustained
35:09
Speaker 19: attack on farmers and this attack needs to stop this
35:12
Speaker 19: and we thank Jess Wilson and Danny O'Brien and the
35:15
Speaker 19: Nationals because farmers are here to support the cities in food, fiber.
35:21
Speaker 1: And agricultural products. We love what we're doing.
35:23
Speaker 19: We just need to be allowed to get on with
35:25
Speaker 19: the job, and that's what we want to do. This
35:28
Speaker 19: was going to be horrendous, not only for food security
35:30
Speaker 19: and affordability, but this was horrendous if they got it
35:33
Speaker 19: through on energy costs as well. The cost of this
35:37
Speaker 19: is just blowing out. It's not needed. We've always said
35:40
Speaker 19: that there is alternatives, that we're an energy rich country.
35:44
Speaker 19: We need to make sure that we have an energy
35:45
Speaker 19: policy for the next one hundred two hundred years that
35:48
Speaker 19: makes our country thrive. So yeah, I can't thank yourself enough.
35:52
Speaker 19: And all our farmers fight back supporters one hundred and
35:55
Speaker 19: thirty three thousand. We've actually sent eleven thousand emails to
36:00
Speaker 19: Carol within his first week, Ben and Ben Carroll's just
36:05
Speaker 19: Daniel Andrews just in her Allen three point zero so
36:08
Speaker 19: and within Jacqueline Sime's first two days, she was issuing
36:12
Speaker 19: fines to these magnificent farming families. I had him in
36:16
Speaker 19: my woolshed, about five of them here last week, and
36:19
Speaker 19: they're innocent, they love what they're doing and they just
36:22
Speaker 19: want to get on with farming. But all of them said,
36:24
Speaker 19: I've never been to court I don't know what I'm
36:26
Speaker 19: in for, so we've still got that fight to have.
36:28
Speaker 1: It's great that the Libs and Nashes.
36:30
Speaker 19: Have come on, but you know they've got fines hanging
36:32
Speaker 19: over their head that we're going to have to fight.
36:34
Speaker 1: But make it known that we have one.
36:37
Speaker 19: Hundred percents of support behind them and we will fight
36:40
Speaker 19: this as hard as we can.
36:43
Speaker 2: I just want to mention too, you know, I looked
36:45
Speaker 2: at the IEMO paperwork online and from what I can discern,
36:49
Speaker 2: and it wasn't updated after the twenty sixth of June,
36:51
Speaker 2: so I'm going on that date. But it would appear
36:55
Speaker 2: that funds in relation to the V and I West
36:57
Speaker 2: project have not yet been released by the Victorian government. Now.
37:02
Speaker 2: It would be unconscionable given that there is an election
37:06
Speaker 2: only a couple of months away now, and that there
37:08
Speaker 2: is a very different policy from the opposition, and every chance,
37:12
Speaker 2: if you look at the polls, that that opposition will
37:15
Speaker 2: be government and scrap this thing. For the labor government
37:19
Speaker 2: in power now to throw billions of dollars to sign
37:22
Speaker 2: contracts that will have to be scrapped and penalty is
37:26
Speaker 2: paid by taxpayers. The fight is good today that You've
37:30
Speaker 2: had a win, mate, but it's not over until November,
37:33
Speaker 2: is it. I think you might have dropped down on me. Ben, Yeah,
37:42
Speaker 2: we've lost you. Okay, I'll leave it there. There is
37:45
Speaker 2: I think a QR cod that will punch up on
37:46
Speaker 2: the screen for you. Now. Please stay in touch with
37:49
Speaker 2: Ben as I say, the fight's not over until November.
37:53
Speaker 2: And there's another line. I think he's focused on a
37:55
Speaker 2: little bit further across in Victoria. But thank you to
37:58
Speaker 2: everyone in that fight. After the break, hate preachers will
38:01
Speaker 2: get into that, the politicians who should be at the
38:03
Speaker 2: Royal Commission, and more an a visa outrage, the convicted
38:07
Speaker 2: Charles Sex offender who wants to stay in Australia. Welcome back.
38:17
Speaker 2: Let's return now to the pressure mounting on the Prime
38:19
Speaker 2: Minister now to sack veterans Minister Matt Keoh, particularly after
38:24
Speaker 2: those excoriating remarks of course from that veteran at the
38:27
Speaker 2: top of the show joined me now shot a defense
38:29
Speaker 2: Minister James Patterson. James differing events between the diggers in
38:34
Speaker 2: the room, the veterans in the room, the former military
38:36
Speaker 2: personnel and how they say they were treated by the
38:40
Speaker 2: minister and the Minister apologizing for not putting the date
38:43
Speaker 2: in his diary, but certainly not apologizing for his conduct.
38:48
Speaker 2: I just spoke to doctor Tim Nelson, a former rath
38:52
Speaker 2: fighter pilot now medical doctor. He was there in the room.
38:55
Speaker 2: He said he does not lie. He says the Minister
38:59
Speaker 2: must resign and if not, the Prime Minister must sack him.
39:03
Speaker 2: That he's lost complete confidence, the complete confidence of the
39:07
Speaker 2: Australian veteran community. I'll get your response to that, well, Peter.
39:13
Speaker 14: I met doctor Nelson and some of his colleagues when
39:16
Speaker 14: they came here to Canberra. I thought it was a
39:19
Speaker 14: priority to meet them, unlike the Minister, and I was
39:22
Speaker 14: astonished to hear how badly he treated them, first not
39:25
Speaker 14: taking the meeting, second taking so under pressure, and then
39:29
Speaker 14: complaining in the meeting that because of them he was
39:32
Speaker 14: missing an event with the Governor General. For your viewers,
39:36
Speaker 14: that's the address in reply. Ceremonial function. It's a strictly
39:40
Speaker 14: optional and frankly social event. It's not like the Minister
39:44
Speaker 14: had a personal meeting with the Governor General. And many
39:47
Speaker 14: members of Parliament don't go for much less mundane reasons
39:50
Speaker 14: than meeting stakeholders in their own portfolio. So this is
39:53
Speaker 14: just extraordinary behavior from the Veterans Affairs Minister. But as
39:57
Speaker 14: we learned in the last parliament and Theobenezi has a
39:59
Speaker 14: very high tolerance for failure. You will remember how hard
40:02
Speaker 14: it was to get him just to move aside Claire
40:05
Speaker 14: O'Neill and Andrew Giles, despite their shocking failures in their portfolios,
40:09
Speaker 14: despite the harm being done to the community. So I
40:11
Speaker 14: don't think Anthony Evans is even contemplating sacking Matt Keo
40:15
Speaker 14: as Veterans Affairs Minister. And so really it falls to
40:18
Speaker 14: Matt to do the honorable thing and design, particularly if
40:21
Speaker 14: you cannot get the government to ax the cap, this
40:23
Speaker 14: five thousand dollars cap on Allied health, which is the
40:25
Speaker 14: whole reason why these veterans have had to come to
40:27
Speaker 14: canber to beg for the care that they deserve, given
40:30
Speaker 14: the service they've give in our country.
40:32
Speaker 2: Well, don't forget Luke Gosling. I mean he has been charged.
40:36
Speaker 2: He faces criminal charges, serious criminal charges. He has not
40:40
Speaker 2: been stood aside. I looked to the case the Sydney Swans.
40:44
Speaker 2: Those men have been stood aside. There are no charges
40:48
Speaker 2: to date. There's just been the breaches of internal football
40:52
Speaker 2: club rules, but they are now not playing. Why is
40:57
Speaker 2: Luke Gosling still on the front bench.
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Speaker 14: I have no idea other than this surprime minister who's
41:04
Speaker 14: unwilling to admit failure or fault. And I think he
41:07
Speaker 14: must think it would be some kind of admission of
41:09
Speaker 14: failure of fault that he appointed Luke Gosling now that
41:12
Speaker 14: he faces these allegations of criminal assault. This surprime minister
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Speaker 14: who is just unwilling to enforce even the most basic
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Speaker 14: standards that he himself demanded when he was in no position.
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Speaker 14: In fact, I remember coalition ministers who were not facing
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Speaker 14: criminal charges, who weren't even facing police allegations, who he
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Speaker 14: demanded resign. I mean, it's just extraordinary that he won't
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Speaker 14: apply those standards to himself. But we shouldn't be surprised
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Speaker 14: from Anthony AVENEZI I think it is a revealing character insight, though.
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Speaker 2: I see it as weakness. James. I want to get
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Speaker 2: your reaction though, to a story that has really taken
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Speaker 2: hole with my viewers. It was on the front page
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Speaker 2: of The Australian yesterday. It pertained to a convicted child
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Speaker 2: sex offender, a foreign national, a fifty year old man
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Speaker 2: from Sierra Leone, who may get to stay in Australia
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Speaker 2: after his psychologists argued before the Federal Court that he
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Speaker 2: would pose less of a risk of offending of raping
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Speaker 2: children if he was granted permanent Protection visa status, if
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Speaker 2: he was allowed to stay here. Now, I'd say there'd
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Speaker 2: be zero risk of him raping a child if we
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Speaker 2: simply deported him. Where's the Minister Tony Burke on this.
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Speaker 14: Well, exactly right. He would be no risk to any
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Speaker 14: Australian if he's no longer in Australia. That's a self
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Speaker 14: evident point. It's the purpose of our immigration system and
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Speaker 14: the integrity of that system is absolutely critical. If we
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Speaker 14: allow sex offenders child sex offenders to stay because somehow
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Speaker 14: it will be of psychological benefit to them and they
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Speaker 14: may be less likely to commit crimes than we are
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Speaker 14: making a mockery of our whole migration system. Tony Burke
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Speaker 14: should remember what happened to Clara O'Neil Andrew Giles. The
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Speaker 14: Prime Minister's hand was finally forced when their failures on
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Speaker 14: community safety came so demonstrably clear. He shouldn't want the
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Speaker 14: same thing to happen to him, and he should stay
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Speaker 14: and make sure this person is deported and deported without delay.
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Speaker 2: How can you deliver and bring down recommendations in relation
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Speaker 2: to anti Semitism if you do not speak to the
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Speaker 2: people that were on the ground and in charge of
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Speaker 2: our intelligence services of our government at the time the
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Speaker 2: massacre occurred. We haven't had the Prime Minister front the
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Speaker 2: Royal Commission. We haven't had the Premier. I think it's
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Speaker 2: incumbent on all the heads of our agencies to give
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Speaker 2: evidence if required. But I also think the hate preachers
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Speaker 2: and the Muslim leaders in Australia should also front the commission.
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Speaker 2: Why is that not happening?
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Speaker 14: I want the Royal Commission to succeed Peter, but right
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Speaker 14: now I think it is a grave risk of failing
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Speaker 14: and being judged very harshly by history. Now, to be clear,
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Speaker 14: the primarily responsibility here falls of the government because they
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Speaker 14: gave the Royal Commissioner such a short time frame. But
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Speaker 14: if the Royal Commissioner asked for an extension of time,
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Speaker 14: I think the government would have to grant it. It would
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Speaker 14: be inconceivable that the government would refuse a request from
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Speaker 14: a Royal Commissioner for more time, and more time would
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Speaker 14: allow the Royal Commissioner to haul in the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 14: to haul in the Home Affairs Minister, to haul in
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Speaker 14: the Foreign Minister, to haul in all the relevant ministers
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Speaker 14: and grill them and cross examine them on what they
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Speaker 14: did and critically what they didn't do in the lead
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Speaker 14: up to those horrific events on Bondai Beach. Particularly unexamined,
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Speaker 14: as far as I know, are all the ridiculous and
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Speaker 14: unnecessary changes they made in the Home Affairs portfolio, taking
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Speaker 14: azo in, taking the AFP out, putting them back in again,
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Speaker 14: reporting different ministers, or the conflict between the ministers of
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Speaker 14: those differing responsibilities. Those are questions that must be examined
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Speaker 14: rule so that public knows, and so the Royal Commission
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Speaker 14: can make recommendations so it never happens again.
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Speaker 2: Senator, thank you. There courses that get back to the
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Speaker 2: Parliament quick breakout for break the wonderful kel Riches back,
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Speaker 2: of course on Wednesday. It's not the Credlin Show, it's
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Speaker 2: the kel Richards Show. I'm just the warm up act,
45:05
Speaker 2: he joins me. Now from Sinnin is beautiful make believe,
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Speaker 2: but we believe it's real. Library. I bet it's like
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Speaker 2: that at home, kell, Hey, we've got some good ones.
45:14
Speaker 2: We've got some good ones today. One of the viewers,
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Speaker 2: Susi's written in and says, I want to know the
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Speaker 2: term cloud nine? Where does it come from?
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Speaker 12: From America? And in the late nineteen forties, the the
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Speaker 12: United States Wheather Bureau started in its reports classifying clouds
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Speaker 12: according to their level, and they numbered the levels from
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Speaker 12: one up to nine. So the highest level was level nine.
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Speaker 12: Chem alone nimbers at about thirty to forty thousand feet
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Speaker 12: and they look like huge white mountains in the sky,
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Speaker 12: kind of dreamscape. And once we're talking about level nine clouds.
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Speaker 12: From the early nineteen fifties, Americans started talking about being
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Speaker 12: on cloud nine. So blame it all on the Weather
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Speaker 12: Bureau in America.
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Speaker 2: It's relatively new. It's relatively new. Yes, yeah, what about
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Speaker 2: this one? I do often use this one myself. The
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Speaker 2: best thing since sliced bread. John wants to know about
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Speaker 2: this expression.
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Speaker 12: Well, the very first sliced bread in the world was
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Speaker 12: sold in June of nineteen twenty two by the Chickcoa
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Speaker 12: Bakery in Missouri because a machine had just been invented
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Speaker 12: to slice bread. By nineteen thirty three, eleven years later,
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Speaker 12: eighty percent of the bread in America was sliced bread.
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Speaker 12: And this it was seen as being a huge breakthrough,
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Speaker 12: a great convenience, a labor saving technological breakthrough, which was
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Speaker 12: really significant. So it was seen as a historic landmark. Hence,
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Speaker 12: from the early nineteen thirties, Americans started saying best things sence,
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Speaker 12: sliced bread.
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Speaker 2: Now this one, and I'm with Lenn absolutely on this.
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Speaker 2: You'll tell me what the grammatical term for this is.
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Speaker 2: But when people are putting an adjective ahead of a
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Speaker 2: word which by itself doesn't warrant an adjective, it's happening
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Speaker 2: more and more. I listened to people on television, particularly
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Speaker 2: newsreaders and others, who do this to ad nausean. The
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Speaker 2: word we're talking about here is unique, right, Unique by
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Speaker 2: itself is standalone word. But people are adding in very unique,
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Speaker 2: and she says that's wrong, what do you say?
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Speaker 12: Well, in fact, what our viewer Linn says, and what
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Speaker 12: you said is very intelligent and highly literate. Our problem
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Speaker 12: is we don't live in a very intelligent, highly literate society.
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Speaker 12: The result is that people have wanted from that. The
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Speaker 12: word is a counting word. It does mean one comes
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Speaker 12: from the Latin unicus, which means one, and you can't
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Speaker 12: be very one or almost one. So it was always
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Speaker 12: said to be a word that should never be qualified.
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Speaker 12: All the grammar books said that, and that's still the
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Speaker 12: grammatical rule. But I was starting to Professor Pampeeds about this,
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Speaker 12: and she said she thinks the meaning of the word
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Speaker 12: has changed. People are not using it correctly. It's now
47:57
Speaker 12: become very widely used to mean special or very very
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Speaker 12: very well, so you could start saying very special, almost special,
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Speaker 12: or something along those lines. She thinks it's a battle
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Speaker 12: we've lost. So I'm sorry, but intelligence and literacy have
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Speaker 12: lost this battle, and we might just have to shrug
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Speaker 12: our shoulders and wear it.
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Speaker 2: I heard you say qualification. That was the grammatical term
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Speaker 2: I was hoping to learn. You've reminded me the nuns
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Speaker 2: in grade six would be happy now that I've caught up,
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Speaker 2: caught up with my grammar again. But you're right over
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Speaker 2: qualification or a qualification not requiet. Thank you, kel. We'll
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Speaker 2: see you next week. We're going to do a country
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Speaker 2: mile next week. I want to know that one myself,
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Speaker 2: as I know a lot of you do too. Thank
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Speaker 2: you for your company, See you tomorrow night. Here's Andrew