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We have to talk about the declaration of Sentiments | HBR Talk 316 · Honey Badger Radio

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Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three sixteen. We have to talk about
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the declaration of sentiments. We finally got there, guys. I'm your host,
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Hannah Wallen here with the personification of perceptivity Mike Stevenson and nonsense annihilator Lauren
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Brooks, and we're back into the timeline kinda. I'm not going to spend
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a lot of time looking at the timeline, but I'll point some things out
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for context in regard to what we're going to read really quick, and then
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we'll get into it. We've been kind of jumping around anyway, because there's
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a lot of what feminists said and did that continued throughout a few decades of
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really missandric behavior and speech, and so we've actually jumped forward and then gone
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back. And we've also discussed different things that happen in the voting timeline in
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regard to legislation limiting men's rights to vote based on their participation or lack thereof
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in military conflicts, and also based on property ownership and racism. And some
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of it was just flat out racism. You could own as much property as
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you could get your hands on in it wouldn't matter. And then some you
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know, some of it was obviously due to various wars that were fought,
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and so we also, I believe we looked at some suffragette not just suffragette
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massandry, but also suffragette racism, their objections to the fifteenth Amendment, and
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we will look more into that in the future as well. But before we
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get into all of that, we got to do what we got to do.
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the page. End. With that out of the way, we'll point out
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I'm gonna really quick switch over to our timeline, which let's see, I
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still have it, and I did save this work. It just says that
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repeatedly, so this would be the Seneca Falls page, and I actually have
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a whole thing about Seneca Falls. When I put this up on a page
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in the blog, you'll be able to actually go click on the links read
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what I've copied and pointed out here. But I will point out just for
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the record that in terms of the Seneca Falls Convention itself, of the five
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organizers, four were Quakers. It was kind of an interesting thing, so
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there was a kind of an echo chamber in terms of the way of thinking
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the philosophies behind their activities. They came up with the idea for the Seneca
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Falls Convention when two of the women who founded it who initiated it were not
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allowed to attend the World Anti Slavery Convention because they were women, so they
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were excluded as delegates, and so they got mad and did this pacically.
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I will also point out some things in terms of what was going on at
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the time. There was also a very widespread in fact, at the time
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it was bigger than the Suffragette movement, There was an anti Suffragette movement.
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The anti Suffragette movement eventually became outnumbered by the Suffragette movement after the Suffragettes sort
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of propagandized everything. But there were there were thousands of signatures to urge Congress
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not to give women the vote and clear up into the the nineteen hundreds.
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So this wasn't just women fighting for this against men. It was women fighting
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for this against women. And at the same time, I'm also going to
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point out one other thing before we actually get into the declaration itself. In
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order to get there, because this is women traveled from all over the country
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to get there, right They didn't Obviously women aren't magic, so they didn't
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just like portal themselves there, But they also didn't have cars. They didn't
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drive themselves there in cars. Because there were none, you know, so
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traveling a long distance taking a horse and carriage, you would either be paying
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someone else to drive you, or you would be depriving your family of probably
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the only transportation they had. So if a woman was going to travel and
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and she was going to travel without her husband, she would be doing that
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through through paid transport, which would be organized and run by men. And
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if it wasn't in a horse and carriage, she could go on canals,
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canal boats that were organized and the canal dug by men thousands of whom died
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in the process to make that happen. Or she could use the railroad by
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the By the eighteen forties there was quite a network of steam train steam trains
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on railroad tracks in the United States and growing like by the Civil War there
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were let me say, actually have this up here somewhere. Yeah, So,
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starting in the eighteen twenties, steam locomotives began to compete with the horse
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drawn locomotives of the past. The Mohawk and Hudson Railroad was the first to
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begin service with a steam locomotive. Toward the middle of the century, railroad
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construction kicked into high geary let's see, by eighteen forty, a trip that
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had taken a minimum four days from Boston to Boston, Massachusetts to Providence,
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Rhode Island in seventeen eighty six took half a day on a train, So
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they were traveling about eight times as fast as they would have the previous century,
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so that we're talking significant changes, significant changes. About thirty thousand miles
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of railroad track had been laid by the beginning of the Civil War, which
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was after the convention. But yeah, that was what was going on in
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terms of getting them there. And you know, a lot of these were
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women that were privileged. They didn't they didn't have to worry about their homes
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when they weren't there because they didn't they didn't have to do the labor that
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a lot of lower income women would have would have used, so you know,
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they had maids, they had servants in their households taking care of that.
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Now, there were women that were lower income women in the suffragette movement
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in the United States, but most of it, a lot of it was
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women of higher levels of privilege because they were the ones that had time to
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do this. They didn't have to work for a living, so with that
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context in mind right, the fact that it's women fighting other women for this,
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not just women fighting men, and that they had to rely on the
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patriarchy to get them there. And of course all of the amenities they used
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were also built by men. This took place in Elizabeth Katie Stanton's home,
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which would been built by men. They essentially used men to turn against them.
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Yep, they really did. So this intro points out also the Declaration
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of Sentiments was modeled on the Declaration of Independence, but I kind of feel
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like it is a bit of a mockery. Before we get any further in
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this, I will point out everybody, since it is the fourth of July,
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and since there is also an election going on in the UK tonight,
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we will go in our total. So by eight o'clock we'll be closing out
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HBr talk for the night, so that people can, like Americans can can
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go watch fireworks, and so that that anybody following the elections can follow.
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Mike, what did you say you were going to be doing next after this?
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You talked about another I'm going to go and say hello to the Lotus
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eaters sometime after eight. You can carry on going till nine, though most
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people don't give much of a shit about brit bong stuff except brit bongs.
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Yeah, we're gonna be the in the after show. By that time,
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our Patron Only after show is going to be reading about We went over the
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creation of women's studies in the United States a while back. We're we're seeing
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there is there is a women's studies department that's one of the oldest in the
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in the country that it looks like it's about to shut down. There's an
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article about that from the College Fix. So we're going to look at that
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article tonight in the Patron Only after show. So you know, if you
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are interested in reading that kind of thing with us, anybody that's already able
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to get into the Patreon only after shows, that's what we're gonna be reading
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tonight. And if you're not, I would encourage everybody to go check out
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our Patreon or feed the Badger, and either way contains ways to get into
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the Patreon only after shows. So with that, like I said, we're
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gonna we're gonna stop at nine just to so I don't want to preempt either
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one of those things. I think both of them are important, and we
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do have a lot of listeners that probably are gonna want to go places tonight
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to see fireworks. And then we also probably have a lot of listeners that
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are going to be tracking fireworks in the UK. So yeah, it's gonna
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be a little bit of both. Over here. The fireworks are probably gonna
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start pretty soon. You might hear them. Sorry for the noise if that
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does happen. But we are also in this household excited to see the fireworks
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happening over in the UK. So we are celebrating both. There we goo
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zero seats, assholes, zero seats. So if we don't finish this today,
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and we probably won't, we will continue it next week. So there
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we go. So she started out, this was, by the way,
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written specifically by Elizabeth Katie Stanton. She and all right, now I got
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to remember the name. She and Lucretia Mott pretty much initiated the organization of
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the Convention. When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary
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for one portion of the family of man to assume among the people of Earth
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a position different from that which they have hereto hitherto occupied, but one to
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which the laws of nature and of Nature's God entitle them a decent respect to
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the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes that impel them to
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such a course. And of course that's that's modeled after the statement that it
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the United States made in regard to dissolving the connection, the legal connection between
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the United States and the UK and Britain, basically declaring independence from So it's
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it's modeled after something that they're not doing, because these women were not declaring
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independence from men. She goes on, we hold these truths to be self
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evident, that all men and women are creating trade, created equal. You
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know the thing, the thing, I don't I don't know that Biden was
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actually trying to cite the Declaration of Independence. Maybe he was paying homage to
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these women. You're paying homage to the thing, the thing. Yes,
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it's more important what you think the thing is than what Biden thinks the thing
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is. It's a poetry. Right, We've yet to confirm here at Honey
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Badger Radio that Biden actually thinks. So just just to just it's embarrassing we're
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talking about the leader of the free world right now. That Oh sorry,
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go on, I was gonna say as an aside, it really is.
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It's it's just it looks bad on all of us, you know, the
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whole country, and even whether or not you're for him or against him,
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it just does. And it's not any of our fault. It's the fault
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of the people, the you know, the people who didn't want to see
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Trump succeed because they hated him because of you know, the the cult of
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personality. And you know, if you got caught up in that, I'm
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sorry for your feelings. But the actual fact is that that man is very
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good for this economy. And uh, there's just no denying that. Well,
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and if you didn't like Trump, you didn't have to vote Grandpa Simpson
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into office like that. Was still has his facilities, his faculty about him.
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You've seen mister Burns walk. He has put Simpsons bringing trapped in mister
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Burns's body. This relates to the to the article we're looking at, because
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all of this happened because women got the vote. Joe Biden nobody knew is
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well, very few people knew his name until he became Obama's VP. But
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he made a name for himself with all this feminist bullshit that we've been talking
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about for ten years and beyond. Yeah, the people that did know his
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name knew that he wrote the Violence Against Women Act for one. Yes,
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yeah, they knew that he wrote the crime bill that everybody was mad about
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recently, but that when Hillary Clinton was bragging about her her husband signing it
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into law, she is the one that put the term super predator into the
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public dialogue. It wasn't her term. It actually was created by someone else,
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and I can't think of his name. I looked it up the other
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day, but it was used in promotion of the president's action in regard to
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Joe Biden's law. So there you go. It's this nice little circle there.
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So, no, Biden's not the one that used the term super predator,
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but it was used because of him, and it was used specifically to
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describe gang members, which you know, the stereotype for years in the United
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States is that gang members are black, even though there are black gangs,
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white gangs, Hispanic gangs. Like you name an ethnicity, there are gangs.
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So as long as there's an underground market, a black market, there
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are gangs. Most of them sell something illegal, do illegal things for for
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people for money, uh, and and end up killing each other over territory
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and another stupid things. So but in any case, so this is this
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is what these women were fighting for. It was the right to elect a
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senile, old man with no morals who created the biggest attack on due process
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the United States has ever seen. We hold these truths to be self evident,
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that all men and women are created equal, the thing that they are
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endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life,
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liberty in the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are
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instituted, deriving their power just powers, from the consent of the government.
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I disagree with that already, especially the just part. Whenever, and also
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the part where you need government to secure your rights. No, you fucking
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don't, absolutely not. Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends,
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it is the right of those who suffer from it to refuse allegiance to
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it, and to insist upon the institution of a new government, laying its
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foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall
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seem the most likely to affect their safety and happiness. So I do agree
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that people use government for their own purposes, and people have attempted to use
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government throughout history as a means of at least creating a distribution of human rights
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recognition that makes sense to them in their time period. That's about as far
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as I'll go with that. Okay, what I'm looking at is right,
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Okay, prudence indeed will dictate the government the governments long established. Are that
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governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes. And accordingly,
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all experience has shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are
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sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
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But when a long train of abuses and usurpations pursuing invariably the same object
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evidence is a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their duty
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to throw off such government and to provide new guards for their future security.
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Such has been the patient sufferance of women under this government, and such is
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now the necessity which constrains them to demand the equal station to which they are
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entitled. So just to remind everybody, and in terms of the Declaration of
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Independence, that this didn't quite state the same thing, right deriving their their
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just powers from the consent of the government. Government. That is, that
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part has been stated, and and the you know, idea that you have
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to change government in order to uh maintain that when it uh isn't following that.
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But the reasons were very different. Remember when the revolutionaries began agitating,
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it was after multiple laws had been passed that had negatively affected the entire economy
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in the colonies, that had created an oppressive environment in the in the colonies
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legally for people, that had burdened them with heavy taxes, that had created
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a monopoly for a private company, which basically was like uh, I guess
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today's today's Blackrock. Like Mike said before, it was basically a state sanctioned
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monopoly. And so they had a whole series of things going on, and
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that was to fund wars. By the way, that the people being taxed
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had no saying, they had no representation, they had no means of petitioning
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for relief, and so they decided to have their revolution as a result of
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that. In terms of what takes what takes the place of government jen nothing.
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You don't have to replace government. So just making sure I don't have
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super chats or chows that I'm missing because I am gonna go over those as
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we go so that when we get close to time to go, I don't
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have a bunch of them just in case. So double checking the super chats
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scrolling through the fifty gazillion, we have the biggest discord. I swear,
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yes we do and shows and actually, before we go any further, let
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a double check we did we last week when we read on Tuesday instead of
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Thursday. For some reason, none of the super chats came through until after
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the show ended, but they posted with times that were from before the show
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ended. So I will read those, but I'm not going to read them
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right now. I'll start reading them after we've gone a bit here. But
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what I want to point out is what the Declaration of Independence was calling insufferable
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was economic exploitation combined with legal oppression and economic oppression and economic suppression. Women
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weren't really being subjected to that. In fact, women under the laws that
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were in place during that time didn't have a lot of responsibility if they did
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not pay their taxes, which were they didn't include the kind of income taxes
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that you would anticipate today. A woman who wasn't super wealthy really didn't have
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anything to tax. You know, even if she was making money, she
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didn't pay a federal tax. There might be local taxes that she paid.
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But women were not in any way subject to oppressive taxation, right, and
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they had legal rights to their husband's income. They had legal rights to credit
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in their husband's name, and if they were not indulged, they could actually
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sue their husband in court for not providing for them. So they didn't really
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have that economic oppression. They didn't have a bunch of laws preventing them from
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choosing what to buy, and where they didn't have they really didn't have their
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freedom of movement restricted either. There were responsibilities that their husbands had, right,
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but then there were some restrictions in terms of credit and things like that
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because of the husband's responsibilities. But there weren't any areas where women were drafted
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into that they had to get married in order to be subjected to any of
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the limitations of covertures. So women that were single they operated under a legal
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identity called fem's soul and it allowed them to basically do anything economically that a
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man could do. And if a woman who had been operating under fem soul
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got married with property and a business and things like that. Her husband was
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obligated to manage that in her interests, so he wasn't really allowed to take
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it and say, well, now we're going to go in this other direction
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that you didn't want. She could she could again sue him for that in
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court. Wow. So yeah, this this idea that women were like Obviously
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women's women's claims to oppression are in no way comparable to the what the colonists
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were experiencing when she chose to do this. This is why I say she
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made a mockery. So now we get into did the suffragettes were they after
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equality or were they messandric She says, the history of mankind is a history
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of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward women, having indirect
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establish object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her. To prove this,
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let the facts be submitted to a candid world. He has never permitted her
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to exercise her inalienable right to the elective franchise. Never, she says,
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So we've learned in past episodes that that was a lie. Right. In
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fact, the reason that the suffragette movement started in the UK was because women
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lost voting rights that they had. He has compelled her to submit to laws
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in the formation of which she had no voice. Now, between these two,
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let's let's point out also, uh, there were states that allowed women
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to vote, and there were states that entered the Union with women's voting rights
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already in their their constitution. Wyoming was one of those. So there's there's
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one voice right there. The next thing is women could go and and watch
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during during voting, right during the entire time the entire colonial history of the
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United States, voting was public. It was public in the UK, was
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public in Canada. There was no secret ballot that was created later. So
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the idea of women having no voice, again, that was a lieiculous.
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Yeah, they already had a voice, and then they were given even more
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of a voice. And then did they stop complaining? Why? No?
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Weirdly enough, they used their voice to continue complaining that they did not have
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a voice. But to today it's still happening. But like times a million,
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ye, women are still complaining, screaming at the top of their lungs.
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I have no voice. Yep. Then she says he has withheld from
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her rights which are given to the most ignorant and degraded men, which she
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further concludes with both natives and foreigners. So she is claiming that immigrants who
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are not naturalized have more rights than women. But we looked at different restrictions
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that were placed on voting rights in the United States. Immigrants who were not
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naturalized citizens couldn't vote, and then there were multiple ethnicities of naturalized immigrants who
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also couldn't vote, and even citizens born in the United States of different ethnic
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backgrounds who couldn't vote. Just for the record, but yeah, they have
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more rights than women, apparently, just not that one. So far,
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we're not hearing women deserve x y Z. We're hearing men did this and
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men did that. Having deprived her of this first right as a citizen,
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the elective franchise, thereby leaving her without representation in the halls of legislation,
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he has oppressed her on all sides. He has made her, if married
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in the eye of the law, civilly dead, which we just pointed out
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is not true. He has taken her all right and property, even to
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the wages she earns, again not true. A husband would be responsible for
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the management of his wife's earnings. But if he denied her access to it.
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If he denied her use of it for her own interest, again,
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she could sue him in court for that. That was not something that he
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could just do and get away with it. Yeah, these these all seem
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to be various ways of of of reinterpreting the only thing that has ever truly
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been taken away from women by men, even arguably, and it's agency.
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And it's not in the way that they that they claim is. It's not
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in the way that you'll hear in all these feminist rallies in such you don't
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take away someone's agency by but by not letting them take away someone's agency by
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pretending that nothing they do matters. It's it's more of a metaphysical conundrum than
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anything that can be called physical. And it wasn't just men that did this
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to women, it was the very women we're talking about. Means all the
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more ironic the several generations down the line, the the ideological descendants of these
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women are complaining that their agency has been taken away. And like I said,
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the only way you do, you know where you do that, you
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know where you take away someone's agency is to exact no consequences for their actions,
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and this had This has been the case when it comes to the relationship
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between men and women for a long as time, not just in the last
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century, not just in the West, all over the world, for fucking
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millennia, Neil, and all sorts of attempts to reform this this anomaly have
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resulted in in movements that have only been twisted towards the complete dissolution of women's
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agency in favor of blaming men for everything. And and there's and there's still
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not much pushback against it, even in their day and age. People from
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the conservative and whatever the opposite of conservatives, so the liberal side of things,
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they both just have just have slightly different arguments based along the lines of
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women are victims and men are agents, and we must continue two to box
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men and women in in the in those rrogated iron shipping containers where one where
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one is a victim and the other is a perpetrator. And they can't they
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can't get out of that paradigm because anyone who tries to talk them out of
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it gets gets shut down or bottled or whatever analogy you wish to use.
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This unknown territory we called the technological revolution, and It's quite an interesting thing
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too, because, like to this day, even after women have gotten everything
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they demanded, they're still claiming to be discriminated against, to be mistreated,
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to be not given enough, and it never has occurred to them that what
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they're they're basically saying is they want all of the benefits of coviture and all
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of the rights of fem soul combined under coviture. That the term was created
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to signify that the man was a shield between his wife in this state.
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So he was responsible for her to the state instead of her being responsible for
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herself to the state, and he was responsible for her welfare. He was
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responsible for her economic welfare, her health, her safety, her behavior,
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and her public behavior. If a woman broke the law, her husband could
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go to jail for it. One of the protests that suffragettes engaged in was
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to not pay their taxes and their husbands would go to jail. If their
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husbands were opposing their activities, they just didn't pay their taxes, the husband
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went to jail, and so this was not a situation where women talk about
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coverture as though it just gave husbands ownership of their wives. Women had legal
39:04
rights to sue for a variety of reasons, sue their husbands in the courts
39:09
under coverture if he was not upholding his end of the bargain, And none
39:15
of those have been eliminated really, like they've been changed in different ways.
39:20
But if you know, if you are married and your husband isn't indulging you
39:29
financially to the degree that you think he should as a woman, you can
39:35
accuse him of economic abuse today, So it's really the same thing, right.
39:40
And then additionally, if a woman does break the law and the husband
39:52
is not involved, she can still end up taking him down with her.
39:58
She can blame him, she can he was involved. She could say he
40:01
made her do it, and the courts will indulge those arguments and he will
40:07
be forced to prove his innocence. But it doesn't work both ways. Men
40:13
don't get to make those arguments. So again we're looking at that part of
40:20
covidure. Continued. Her legal rights under fem soul have been established as a
40:28
married woman. But yeah, the the idea that coviture was eliminated, No,
40:37
they just took away all the restrictions that women faced to facilitate men's ability
40:43
to meet their responsibilities for women, And the one that I always kind of
40:51
laugh at their objection to it is this one. He has made her morally
40:57
an irresponsible being. She as he can commit many crimes with impunity, provided
41:02
they be done in the presence of her husband. In the covenant of marriage,
41:06
she is compelled to promise obedience to her husband. The state didn't do
41:09
that. That came from the church, just saying he becoming, to all
41:16
intents and purposes, her master, the law giving him power to deprive her
41:22
of her liberty and to administer chastisement. So the law says husbands could discipline
41:32
their wives, they could not beat their wives. In fact, if they
41:37
did, they might face a whipping post, they might go to jail,
41:43
They might lose property because they would be fined. So they had different avenues
41:47
of punishment right that that would that would entail. So this idea of chastisement.
41:58
Today, if a woman verbally abuses her husband because she is not happy
42:04
with their relationship or she is not happy with her level of control over his
42:10
behavior, he doesn't have the same legal recourse to leave the marriage to call
42:19
what she's doing abuse as she does if he is mean to her if he
42:28
nags her, if he verbally abuses her, it can be the same level
42:31
of abuse. It can be the same level of mental cruelty, emotional battery,
42:38
whatever you want to call it, right, but only men get held
42:45
accountable for it, and if men complain about women doing it, they get
42:52
made fun of. No Jin Bottle. Both the bride and the groom did
42:55
not say those words. The groom did not promise to obey. The bride
43:00
did. And that's if. If one doesn't agree with that practice, one
43:08
does not have to practice that religion. Right. In the United States,
43:14
we've had freedom of religion from the start. Nobody forced anybody to be a
43:17
Christian, So we had deists, we had spiritualists, we had all kinds
43:25
of people. But obey was not part of the man's man's vows love,
43:35
honor, and cherish unless something was unusual about your church. Because the man
43:40
was considered the head of the household, and so he was obligated to consider
43:47
his wife's needs with love, but he was not obligated to obey her right
43:54
because the company is God to man, man to woman, woman told right,
44:01
so he shouldn't be obligated to obey her because she's not responsible for anything
44:06
she tells him to do. So if she's not responsible, like then she
44:12
should not be in command. Correct, real simple, there, you know,
44:22
you want to be in charge, you have to be accountable. But
44:28
but yeah, so that's we're gonna stop at chastisement because I think that's funny.
44:35
I don't know spanking might have been allowed. Richard Bierre asked if spanking
44:38
was allowed. But I think for the most part, the court expected husbands
44:45
to talk their wives out of behavior that the state disapproved. And if a
44:52
husband could not talk his wife out of behavior that the state disapproved, there
44:55
were some legal tools he had. If she behaved in a manner that was
45:00
contrary to her welfare, that was going to get her injured, get her
45:05
in trouble, that was going to take away her bread winner by sending him
45:09
to jail, then she might be considered possessed of mental health problems in that
45:16
he might send her in for treatment. Right, So there's there's that,
45:22
especially if she was engaging in things like kleptomania or something like that, he
45:28
had the power to decide that for her, because he couldn't just beat it
45:34
out of her. He would go to jail, contrary to what feminists tell
45:37
us. Right. But in the meantime, I'm going to revisit the the
45:46
super test we had last week real quick. Richard Beer gave us five dollars
45:51
and said, when women fight each other, they should have the courtesy to
45:54
settle it in a jello filled waiting pool while in bikinis. I agree with
46:01
this. I'm on board with this. It sounds like fun. That Congress
46:07
catfight would have been way more entertaining to watch that way. Certain questions five
46:14
dollars more, and said certain questions wouldn't get asked if he meets his demise
46:17
outside of prison. Though I don't remember who we were talking about. The
46:22
sun never sets on the British Empires because God doesn't trust the British Empire in
46:25
the dark. That's the counter saying Meredith. He gave us five dollars and
46:31
said, HBr talked three fifteen. One of the reasons why the Biden administration
46:35
did the deal with Oh, it's a songe, they were expecting as songe
46:37
to die in prison. That was something that we talked about at the beginning
46:45
because I was I was really happy that at least what was done was done.
46:52
But one of the reasons why the Biden administration did the deal with the
46:55
Songe is because they were concerned that a court ruling from British courts, which
47:00
was expected to be bad, would hurt opportunities to extradite from other countries that
47:06
would follow suit after the ruling. Yeah, they don't. They want to
47:09
decrease the United States ability to grab citizens from other countries that are not United
47:16
States citizens and prosecute them under our laws for crimes that that wouldn't be crimes
47:23
in their country, you know, like that that that would be Ukraine anyone.
47:31
God, Yeah, it's you know, the Assabed thing is like a
47:38
double edged sword, and it always would be. There was no weather outcome.
47:45
I mean, I am definitely glad that he is not being held captive.
47:52
But I'm sure as well as Assannge knows, as anybody who's in tune
47:58
to the things that he was talking about and uncovering, they can get to
48:04
him. It doesn't matter if he's in a prison, it doesn't matter if
48:07
he's free. If they want him and he is greenlit, they will get
48:13
him. So it just remember that, you know, during during the Obama
48:19
administration, there was quite the habit. And this is also I think during
48:23
the Bush administration of killing men in public places with murder robots that can fly
48:31
so mm hmm and children and children and children. Yep. Yeah, So
48:39
I mean the danger's not over. There's still and there's still rough legal rotaho
48:45
too. But I'm still happy about that step having happened. Yeah, absolutely,
48:51
absolutely, godspeed, and you know, more power to him. I
48:55
hope at least can find some kind of piece of mind and just really all
49:02
anyone can hope for him at this point, because again, like I said
49:06
that, you've got to be looking over your shoulders all the time all the
49:14
time. I can't imagine the kind of mental state that he's in right now.
49:16
Nos of confinement, this this is known with with prisoners in the prison
49:22
system, does a lot of psychological damage. Mm hm. So kind of
49:31
the point. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. One of these days I'm gonna
49:38
go through and discuss a lot of the stuff that I've I've looked up about
49:43
the prison system. That one's a hard discussion for me to have. I
49:45
get. I get really emotional about that because one of the things I most
49:49
value is is my ability to just go out and do what I think is
49:54
needed. And of course, if you're in the prison system, not only
49:59
are you unable to do that, but you don't have any control over any
50:04
part of your day ever, and that would kill me. Yeah, and
50:10
you know so. But there's there's a host of other abuses that take place
50:15
in the American prison system that need to be discussed as well, but that's
50:20
for future date. Richard Bierre gave US five dollars and said, speaking of
50:25
laying claim to the labor of others, Apparently there are discussions about the proposing
50:31
of a bill in Candida to charge a twenty five thousand dollars CD fee to
50:37
immigrate from Canada to another country. Apparently it's not yet a bill, but
50:42
there's there are discussions in progress about making it one. Canada apparently caught that
50:46
from us our California, which does the same thing. Not quite that much,
50:52
I don't think, but California does impose a penalty fee. Now if
50:58
you leave, it's quite an interesting thing. It hasn't been tasted. Wait,
51:05
what if you move out of California, they have a punitive tax for
51:09
that? Shut up? Seriously, Oh my god. Now I'm even more
51:17
glad that I left when I did. Yep, it's because so many people
51:22
are leaving California. Which actually, the more I see about the state of
51:28
California, the more I want to call it Clownifornia. It's just terrible.
51:36
He gave us another five dollars and said, there have been women seeking power
51:38
over society before broadcast media existed. Yeah, these women were seeking power over
51:45
society. The women we're talking about tonight, we're seeking power over society,
51:49
and they got it. Women seeking social power has predated the printing press and
51:52
even written language. Look at some of the ancient religions that have existed featuring
51:58
a female deity and the female led society. There is an African village that
52:01
has a female led society and no men are allowed in. The women do
52:07
seek men to get pregnant with, and the girls are educated, but I
52:09
don't know how the boys fare there. They kick the boys out when they
52:14
reach adulthood, though, And my question then becomes, like when is adulthood
52:21
because depending on the culture, it can be anywhere from kicking out young teenagers
52:28
to waiting until you know they're closer to the end of their brain development.
52:35
And I just would be a terrifying prospect. If you were like thirteen,
52:39
fourteen, fifteen years old and all of a sudden you're on your own,
52:45
and not just on your own, but kicked out of your community, right,
52:50
that'd be hell, although living in that community might not be much better
52:55
for a guy. So with that, let's see where we are here.
53:00
I don't think we have any super chats and we don't have any rumble rants,
53:08
and so I am going to go ahead and call it a show.
53:15
So again, Mike, you're going on to the Lotus Eaters, right the
53:23
Mike, Oh, did I lose you guys? Sound wise? Nope,
53:31
we're here. Yeah, yeah, he is, So anybody else, Lauren
53:38
just fed me a piece of chickens and it was so good. Yeah.
53:46
I can't blame you for that. That's that's definitely that's fair. So anybody
53:53
that wants to continue listening tonight and is not coming into our after show,
54:00
uh, you follow Mike to the Lotus Eaters in the meantime. Thanks guys
54:05
for coming on tonight. All three of us are in the United States and
54:08
it's it's a holiday here, so thanks for coming on during holiday. Thanks
54:13
everybody for listening. I know this is a short show. We will continue
54:16
discussing the Declaration of Sentiments next week. We'll compare what we just read a
54:22
little bit with what the colonists were actually protesting against that that that she was
54:29
mimicking, and see if it even remotely begins to measure up to what the
54:36
colonists we're experiencing. And uh, we will see you next Tuesday. Thanks
54:44
everybody who works in the background. Oh yes, happy fourth of July.
54:51
Shut up, thank you, Thank you to all our veterans who served and
54:54
are currently serving, we appreciate you. And yes, simplify yep, and
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good idol.