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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, May 26 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, May
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Speaker 1: twenty six. J. P. Shadrick with Bucky Brooks and John
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Speaker 1: Osier organized team activities here, some special teams changes, and
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Speaker 1: we'll discuss maybe the approach on special teams for Urban Meyer.
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Speaker 1: Moving ahead, we'll go around the National Football League and
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Speaker 1: we have some social media questions this week. Bucky, John,
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Speaker 1: good to see you guys. Bucky, did you order your
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Speaker 1: number eighty five jersey yet? I have not ordered it yet.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what color I want to
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Speaker 1: get it in, because i know Till is the primary,
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Speaker 1: but I'm trying to figure out if I look better
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Speaker 1: than eighty five Till or Blackwood kind of tickle my fancy.
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Speaker 1: You know, any suggestions if they have one of the
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Speaker 1: gold jerseys from way back, No no, no, no, no
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Speaker 1: no no. We need to leave the musty jerseys and
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Speaker 1: the bare I was probably the only guy who liked
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Speaker 1: oh Man like that reminded me of the hot mustard
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Speaker 1: that I used to get from a certain fast food
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Speaker 1: restaurant back in the day. It was something I'll say
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Speaker 1: that I remember. Subscribe to the official Jaguars podcast that
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Speaker 1: works on Apple, iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts,
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Speaker 1: and give us that five star rating. Organized team activities
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Speaker 1: are underway, and unlike some other teams in the NFL,
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Speaker 1: namely the Cleveland Browns, the Jaguars have near perfect attendance,
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Speaker 1: and at least in Phase two they did and only
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Speaker 1: a couple of guys were missing there. You know, the
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Speaker 1: Browns don't have really anybody or just a few guys
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Speaker 1: showing up for the offseason workouts here Bucky, but it's
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Speaker 1: a good sign that Jaguars have guys around. It makes sense.
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Speaker 1: New regime want to get in front of the coach
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Speaker 1: and you know, they like what's going on in the building.
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Speaker 1: It feels like, so everybody's here. That's good. Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: is really good. But I would say this, the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: will always having the guns when it comes to being
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Speaker 1: able to get near perfect attendance this year and going forward,
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Speaker 1: it's because it's a nice place. It's a nice spot
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Speaker 1: to be able to live. The weather is going to
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Speaker 1: be nice. You don't have to deal with those elements,
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Speaker 1: and so the coach Meyer has alluded to it when
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Speaker 1: it came to recruiting, where you're talking about no state tax,
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Speaker 1: wheather and all those things. A lot of times the
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Speaker 1: teams that have difficulty getting attendance where they want their
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Speaker 1: guys to be around all year are the cold weather places.
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville doesn't have to contend with that. And so if
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Speaker 1: the team continues to upgrade some of the things that
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Speaker 1: coach Meyers talked about when it comes to sports performance, nutrition,
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Speaker 1: all of that other stuff, it makes a lot of
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Speaker 1: sense for guys to work out in the building where
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Speaker 1: they're protected, and they also can kind of get the
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Speaker 1: best teaching and instruction from strength coaches, coach is issues,
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Speaker 1: nutritionist and all of that. JP has always felt and
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Speaker 1: I had a ten year gap when I covered the team,
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Speaker 1: but in the nineties attendance was always pretty good. It's
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Speaker 1: been pretty good here Urban clearly, as you said, the
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Speaker 1: first year thing is I think a reason why they
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Speaker 1: have near perfect attendants. You're always going to have that
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Speaker 1: everything's new, and these veterans, even the guys who who
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Speaker 1: understand they'll have roles in the league, they want to
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Speaker 1: know what's going on. To Bucky's point, you know, compared
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Speaker 1: her speaking, the traffic is not bad here too. It's
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Speaker 1: it's not hard to get in and out of this stadium,
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Speaker 1: uh compare I mean, and overall that's just speaking to
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Speaker 1: what he talked about Urban said when he first got here.
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Speaker 1: There's no reason that Jacksonville, Florida, should be a place
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Speaker 1: where these guys don't want to be in the off season.
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Speaker 1: That's a huge reason why he wants all the sports
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Speaker 1: performance issues that he's talked about JP and we talked
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Speaker 1: to you guys last week. They all said the goal,
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Speaker 1: and it sounds like it's being accomplished, is to have
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Speaker 1: everything you possibly want here, so there's no reason to
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Speaker 1: be anywhere else. I'm with Buck, Yeah, I think it
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Speaker 1: will continue. I don't know if it will be perfect
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Speaker 1: once Urban's been here a year or two, because there's
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Speaker 1: veterans who doesn't have to be perfect for at that point.
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Speaker 1: But overall, I think this will be the trend going forward,
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Speaker 1: as long as the league doesn't change the rules to
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Speaker 1: where this is impossible. Who knows what's going on on
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Speaker 1: that front. We've talked about this John on a podcast
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Speaker 1: earlier this week on Jaguars reporters, but Bucky's with us
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Speaker 1: now will ask a similar question, what answers do you
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Speaker 1: want at the end of this month about the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: team after O t A s in mini camp? What
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Speaker 1: what do you want to find out in the next
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Speaker 1: three or four weeks. I think the main thing you
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Speaker 1: want to find out is just you want to get
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Speaker 1: a sense of the culture and what Coach Meyer is
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Speaker 1: trying to create down in Jacksonville, Like what are the
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Speaker 1: things that are big? What are the things that he's
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Speaker 1: emphasizing when it comes to the outside looking in when
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Speaker 1: we get a chance to look at them practice, can
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Speaker 1: we feel a sense of urgency when they're moving from
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Speaker 1: station to station and uh executing plays and and those things?
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Speaker 1: I think the other and you want to see because
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Speaker 1: it's only limited amount of things that you can learn
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Speaker 1: when they're not in paths. But from a personal standpoint,
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Speaker 1: are they developing like fundamentals in those things? Can we
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Speaker 1: see them get better over the course of four weeks?
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Speaker 1: Can you see individual players begin to make strides when
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Speaker 1: it comes to just their individual development? Are they showing
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Speaker 1: up more when we have these team periods and competitive periods.
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Speaker 1: Are we beginning to hear the same names come up
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Speaker 1: when we're talking about a man. This guy had a
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Speaker 1: good day. This guy had a good day. This guy
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Speaker 1: looks like he's catching on and beginning to get it,
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Speaker 1: And you just want to make sure that it appears
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Speaker 1: the team is ready to make the next step in
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Speaker 1: their development, which will take place in training camp. So
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Speaker 1: I just kind of want to see what does it
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Speaker 1: look like because we speculated, you know, without being given
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to look behind the curtain. When we're looking
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Speaker 1: behind the curtain, does it look like it's organized in
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Speaker 1: a wealth or machine that has the potential to be
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Speaker 1: a very very competitive product on the field. It's if
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Speaker 1: I think some of the things we want to find
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Speaker 1: out we won't find out. And I'm not trying to
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Speaker 1: be you know, clever with that, but you want to
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Speaker 1: find out if the receivers are as good as you
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Speaker 1: maybe think they are from a media standpoint. You want
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Speaker 1: to look and see sort of who's gonna make the
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Speaker 1: team at receiver, how some of those down the roster,
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Speaker 1: whatever we call it, what kind of role we'll call
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Speaker 1: in Johnson play, Will Jamal Agnew have a role? Stuff
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Speaker 1: like that, Maybe we'll see a little more toward that.
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Speaker 1: In O T A S. Maybe you'll see a little
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Speaker 1: bit more on the flip side of where does Trey
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Speaker 1: Herndon fit in? Where does Sidney Jones fit in with
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Speaker 1: these with the dB packages? Realistically, when Urban has asked
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Speaker 1: about that in the next few weeks, how much will
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Speaker 1: he share about how those guys are developing. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Those are some of the battles you're looking for. I
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Speaker 1: don't really have any doubt that it's gonna look well oiled.
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Speaker 1: I think Urban can run practices. It appeared from what
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Speaker 1: we saw last week JP the it's gonna be fast,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be you know, well organized, and the elephant
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Speaker 1: in the room. You know. I think by the end
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Speaker 1: of these four weeks, i'd like to think that you
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Speaker 1: can see if Tebow can move, if he can do
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Speaker 1: the tight end things. Will we have an answer on that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think you'll be able to
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Speaker 1: get a little better an idea. I don't Bucky does
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Speaker 1: that interesting at all? Yeah? Like the the Tebow thing,
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Speaker 1: to me is is funny because of the national conversation
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Speaker 1: around Tim Tebow. I know he is a megastar when
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Speaker 1: it comes to the amount of attention that he would draw.
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Speaker 1: But I don't have any worries of doubts about him
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Speaker 1: necessarily competing, get tied in and making the team because
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Speaker 1: I think the position is one where I mean, look, man,
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Speaker 1: if you you want Tim Tebow to make the team
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Speaker 1: is tight end. You can ask him to do certain
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Speaker 1: things that will enable him to be on the field
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Speaker 1: and in action. We've seen guys come from I said
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Speaker 1: it like, it's the only position where you can come
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Speaker 1: from the couch to being able to play. Like think
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Speaker 1: about all the basketball players that have been able to
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Speaker 1: come into the league without any football experience and have success.
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Speaker 1: I mean, like it goes on and on and on.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about the Antonio Gates types. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about the mo Ali Coxes that have been able
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Speaker 1: to do it in Indianapolis, Darren Phils who's bounced around
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Speaker 1: the league and he's been able to do it, um
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Speaker 1: Logan Thomas from quarterback to being able to be a
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Speaker 1: tighten who's a functional starter in Washington. I think the
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Speaker 1: bigger thing will be how do they want to use
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Speaker 1: Tim Tebow? Is he really a tighten or he's either
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Speaker 1: h back or the full back or easy to move
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Speaker 1: guy um. I believe because it is in the best
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Speaker 1: interests of maybe Tim Tebow and Urban mar for Tim
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Speaker 1: to make the team. They will create opportunities for him
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Speaker 1: to be able to carve out a niche on this team,
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Speaker 1: and he'll make the team and find a way to
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Speaker 1: be a contributor. It will be a fascinating watch. We'll
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Speaker 1: say that over the o C a period, because you know,
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Speaker 1: it feels like without the contacts, this is the time
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Speaker 1: to see if he can run. There's not a lot
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Speaker 1: of that going on, so we'll see if he can
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Speaker 1: thrive there and then move on to anything camp and
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Speaker 1: throw some pads on and see what happens down the line.
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Speaker 1: in one. Some special teams news. Last week, special teams
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Speaker 1: coordinator Brian Schneider stepping away from the team for personal reasons.
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Speaker 1: The Jaguars put out an announcement saying they will fully
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Speaker 1: support Schneider and his family during this time. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I must be honest, you know, the way it's set
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Speaker 1: up in the building. I haven't cross paths with with
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Speaker 1: Brian Schneider, so I never got a chance to meet him.
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Speaker 1: But we wish him the very best obviously with what's
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Speaker 1: going on with him and his family. But from the
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Speaker 1: football perspective, I guess what, now, do you go hire
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Speaker 1: a coordinator? Do you promote the assistant special teams coordinator
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Speaker 1: who is on your staff already, Um, Carlos polk is
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Speaker 1: his name, you know? Or there's a combination you know?
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Speaker 1: Is this? I guess it could be worse if it's
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Speaker 1: the you know, right before the season or during the season.
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Speaker 1: Bucky is never a good time obviously, And what are
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Speaker 1: your thoughts initially on this one? Well, my thoughts initially
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Speaker 1: will be how does Urban Myer view the special teams
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Speaker 1: coordinator position? Because if you go back and you study
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Speaker 1: how he coached things in college, he always ran the
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Speaker 1: special teams That was his baby because it allowed him
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Speaker 1: to connect with all three phases of the team. And
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Speaker 1: it also is really a management position in terms of
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Speaker 1: game management, clock management in those things. Now, if he
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Speaker 1: promote Carlos Polking and names him the special teams coordinator,
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Speaker 1: he still will be able to oversee it and play
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Speaker 1: a heavy role in the Special team's decisions and what
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Speaker 1: goes on. My gut says that I would probably expect
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Speaker 1: it to go more that route then to bring somebody
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Speaker 1: in at this eleventh hour. I think he probably will
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Speaker 1: going to go and see what it looks like this year,
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Speaker 1: and then if there are major issues and gas and
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Speaker 1: faux pas that maybe cost the Jaguars games, then readdress
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Speaker 1: the situation next year. I think right now, because you've
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Speaker 1: already started to implement some of what Brian Schneider wanted
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Speaker 1: to do, I don't know if you want to radically
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Speaker 1: change it with such a short runway up the training camp.
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Speaker 1: It's it's about as well said as I can imagine.
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Speaker 1: You know, I would expect to hear more when Urban
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Speaker 1: Meyers speaks uh, and that obvious to be a major question.
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Speaker 1: I don't have a real feel for it. But what
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Speaker 1: Bucky said about Urban's history with special teams and the
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Speaker 1: reasoning for it, I don't know why that wouldn't work
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Speaker 1: at this level for him to do that as well,
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Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense without knowing if Schneider's stepping away
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Speaker 1: as permanent, it's just hard to know without knowing some
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Speaker 1: of the new wants to that. It feels like that
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Speaker 1: is a very plausible solution. I'm not sure why they
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Speaker 1: wouldn't do that. And the other factor is it's what
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Speaker 1: may do you bring in somebody at this point if
12:11
Speaker 1: you're replacing the hiring cycles long since over, so you
12:16
Speaker 1: might have a more limited pool of candidates. If you
12:19
Speaker 1: were going that way, then if you waited until after
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Speaker 1: this season to do it, I don't have to be
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Speaker 1: fair to bring in a guy on a one year basis.
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Speaker 1: So I think for a lot of reasons that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Special teams conversation continues, and Bucky, you mentioned Urbans history
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Speaker 1: with special teams, and you know in college, his approach was,
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Speaker 1: we're putting starting players on special teams a lot of times,
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Speaker 1: or they had to earn their way to become an
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Speaker 1: offensive or defensive starter. By what he said, at Ohio State,
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Speaker 1: they had to play two different special teams units and
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Speaker 1: start on those quote unquote start on a special teams
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Speaker 1: unit to earn their way unto offense or defense. Zeke
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Speaker 1: Elliott did it. The bosses did it at Ohio State. Here,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's younger players a lot of times or
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Speaker 1: professional special teams players that are kind of your core guys.
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Speaker 1: It's tough to go throw out a bunch of starters
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Speaker 1: on offense or defense on special teams here. How does
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Speaker 1: how do you think he'll approach that the staffing of
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Speaker 1: the special teams units. Yeah, I think there's value to
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Speaker 1: having starters on special teams. Um. I think you know,
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Speaker 1: we we always kind of dismissed special teams until it
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Speaker 1: comes up and and it creates a problem and you
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Speaker 1: lose a game because of an issue. I think it's
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Speaker 1: easier to put um and the rules that you talk
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Speaker 1: about in terms of requiring starters to play at least
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Speaker 1: two special teams, that make sense because here's what you
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Speaker 1: normally would do your defense. Your defensive starters would normally
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Speaker 1: be on the punt team because the defensive play, you're
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Speaker 1: trying to intersperse some of those defenders on your kickoff
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Speaker 1: cover juniors because it's such an important play or whatever
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Speaker 1: offensively same thing, kickoff return, those things you have some
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Speaker 1: of your offensive starters that play those roles. Pump return
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Speaker 1: can be a mix of your special team's core guys,
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Speaker 1: some of your defenders and those guys. But I do
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Speaker 1: believe there's value to having some of your starters on
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Speaker 1: those units. And because the team is so young, man,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody gets a free pass, you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe Miles Jack you give it down off or whatever.
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Speaker 1: But everyone, in my estimation is about in the same boat,
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Speaker 1: and so they all have to go play and go
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Speaker 1: find a way to make a contribution. So the better
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Speaker 1: the skill level on the special teams, the better your
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Speaker 1: special team Junior should be. And it is a very
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Speaker 1: critical part of the game. JP. I have a question
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Speaker 1: for the scout will will Uh. I'm not sure if
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Speaker 1: the answer would be Gunner. You know, maybe the guys
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Speaker 1: who's breaking the wedge. But where would Trevor fit in
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Speaker 1: in terms of special teams? Yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll. Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor,
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Speaker 1: Trevor gets the past when like, we won't have Trevor
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Speaker 1: on there um one of the one of them holding
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Speaker 1: I don't want anywhere. No, there might be for Minshew
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Speaker 1: Mania or Hunter that they can do that, but I
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Speaker 1: would I would think Trevor wouldn't be on that. I
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Speaker 1: do wonder if Travis it's end, we'll have a role
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Speaker 1: maybe as a returner, either kick which is normally the
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Speaker 1: easiest way to get those guys on the field, or
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Speaker 1: a punt, but the new kickoff return rules make it
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Speaker 1: where you don't get any returns. You don't really get
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Speaker 1: a chance. A lot of them are are touchbacks and
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Speaker 1: the like. So I do wonder what that might look like.
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Speaker 1: And who are the guys that are going to occupy
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Speaker 1: the gunner positions? Will we see Tyson Campbell at gunner?
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Speaker 1: What we see um le viscos? Because normally your third
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Speaker 1: and fourth receiver, your third and fourth corner. Normally those
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Speaker 1: guys are out there at those positions. So may be
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Speaker 1: interesting to see the approach. But I do like what
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Speaker 1: Urban had created. If you go back to Ohio State,
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Speaker 1: where all those guys had to earn their way onto
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Speaker 1: the starting units by performing and excelling on special teams,
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Speaker 1: maybe you see some of that merritogers to kind of
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Speaker 1: make his way to the NFL game. And don't forget
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Speaker 1: about you know, Jalen camp the late roundraft pick this year,
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Speaker 1: wide receiver, big strong guy, you know, fast, has all
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Speaker 1: the measurables and everything. Just have a lot of wide
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Speaker 1: receiver time that seems like one of the perfect for him.
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Speaker 1: And then they got Agnew and free agency as a
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Speaker 1: return guy, and and here he is. There's a special
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Speaker 1: teams pro right there. He is a special teams pro.
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Speaker 1: And field position is such a huge part of the
16:38
Speaker 1: pro game, even different than the college game. And so
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Speaker 1: they made an investment. They got Agnew in free agency. Uh,
16:44
Speaker 1: you talk about some of the later round picks that
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Speaker 1: can come. They have size and those things. The only
16:50
Speaker 1: thing is when you put too many young players, too
16:53
Speaker 1: many rookies out there, you can have some major gaps
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Speaker 1: early in the year. So how do you sprinkle those guys?
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Speaker 1: But then when we talk about it, the height, weight,
17:02
Speaker 1: speed component of all of the draftees makes it really
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Speaker 1: um can do so to put those guys on the team.
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Speaker 1: Jordan Smith, I can see you playing a role all
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Speaker 1: special teams. You already mentioned Camp and some of the
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Speaker 1: other guys. Yeah, some of those guys are gonna occupy
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Speaker 1: key roles on the special teams genus. Well, JP, correct
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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but uh, and I'm drawing a blank.
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Speaker 1: The safety they signed from Philadelphia Special teams guy Ford Rudy. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Well there you go. I think there's a reason that
17:32
Speaker 1: at all the guys who opted out last year, Remember
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Speaker 1: Laurenti McCrae is the guy who's back, you know, a
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Speaker 1: a long time special teams guy, Agnews, a special teams guy.
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Speaker 1: They certainly addressed that in free agency with the idea
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Speaker 1: of uh, you know, Afford being a four core special
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Speaker 1: teams player. That's certainly on Meyer's mind. And I think
17:54
Speaker 1: that those moves in free agency Bucky may have talked
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Speaker 1: about at the time, those moves in free agency line
18:00
Speaker 1: up with his past. It all sort of lines up
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Speaker 1: to where it wouldn't be surprising that for what Buck
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Speaker 1: you talk about plays in in a sense of Urban
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Speaker 1: just go ahead and doing the special teams or having
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Speaker 1: that as an option if nothing else works out. Yeah, John,
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Speaker 1: I think that is an important point. Maybe you know
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Speaker 1: because I said there and talked about starters on special teams.
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Speaker 1: But maybe Urban has looked at the pro game in
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Speaker 1: the college game and understands the difference, and maybe he
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Speaker 1: has gone to ball and said, hey, we need a
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Speaker 1: starting special teams unit. We need enough core guys about
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Speaker 1: four yeah, I mean it can be starting five, yeah,
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Speaker 1: five or six, Like, Hey, these guys are gonna playing
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Speaker 1: all all of our main special teams units. And what
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Speaker 1: we'll do is we'll mix and match some of these
18:48
Speaker 1: other guys, but these five or six they're gonna be
18:52
Speaker 1: the nucleus of our our our teams, and we need
18:55
Speaker 1: to make sure that we're kind of feeling around those
18:58
Speaker 1: guys to make sure that we all have a great unit.
19:00
Speaker 1: Because he certainly understands the importance because he coached at
19:05
Speaker 1: in college. Yeah, it might be Okay, how's the best
19:08
Speaker 1: way for us to manage it at the NFL level?
19:11
Speaker 1: Is it different than the way that I used to
19:13
Speaker 1: manage it in college? Another fascinating thing to watch moving ahead,
19:16
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19:18
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19:45
Speaker 1: know let's thought about this. What was your first concert, Bucky?
19:49
Speaker 1: Are you a big concert guy? First concert? Man? It
19:54
Speaker 1: might have you're a kid, wasn't it wasn't It wasn't.
20:01
Speaker 1: It wasn't criss Cross. I think I went to a
20:04
Speaker 1: a boy's demand concert in college. That might have been
20:07
Speaker 1: one of the first ones. Yeah, like like they were
20:11
Speaker 1: the first time they sang the anthem at the first
20:14
Speaker 1: Jaguars game. You know, Bucky, that was a big deal.
20:17
Speaker 1: Before you got here, I did not know that they
20:20
Speaker 1: sang the anthem there. Yeah, but I remember seeing demon
20:24
Speaker 1: concert very very early on. That might have been the
20:27
Speaker 1: first one. Who was yours? John, Well, Uh, it was
20:30
Speaker 1: not criss Cross. Uh. I did enjoy criss Cross it. Uh.
20:35
Speaker 1: They were the guys with the backwards shirts, right, Okay, yeah,
20:40
Speaker 1: that's right. It did make me jump jump. I did
20:44
Speaker 1: some jump. Actually, my first concert was John Denver in
20:50
Speaker 1: the Colisseum with my parents. My first sort of tough
20:55
Speaker 1: guy concert or yeah, first real rock roll because John
21:00
Speaker 1: Denver wasn't that tough. I saw a foreigner JP and
21:04
Speaker 1: Bucky with the cars opening for them in uh the
21:08
Speaker 1: Fall of V eight and it was that the is
21:11
Speaker 1: it Jacksonville calls and this young man's why eyes were
21:15
Speaker 1: open with the just unbelievable amount of illegal drug use
21:21
Speaker 1: going on around this naive ten year old uh in
21:28
Speaker 1: the car. And it was back in the day of
21:31
Speaker 1: the Colosseum, the hard rock shows were they were no
21:35
Speaker 1: place for a naive young seventh grader. Oh wow, I
21:39
Speaker 1: love it. Mine was four at the Birmingham Jefferson Civic
21:44
Speaker 1: Center Zzzz on the Antenna tour and the opening band
21:52
Speaker 1: was Jackal, So you know, zz Top played most of
21:56
Speaker 1: the hits, and then they played a few songs off
21:58
Speaker 1: the new album at the time time and then Jackal
22:02
Speaker 1: had this lumberjack song where they used a chainsaw as
22:07
Speaker 1: one of the instruments, and so he chainsaw a stool
22:11
Speaker 1: on stage and threw it into like ten pieces into
22:13
Speaker 1: the crowd. Yes, I remember that. I don't know if
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22:24
Speaker 1: Some notes around the league and we'll get to some
22:26
Speaker 1: social questions coming up. Everybody wants out of everywhere, it
22:29
Speaker 1: feels like right now, Julio Jones wants out, you know,
22:32
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson still wants out, he's got some misuse otherwise.
22:35
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, you know, says it's all about the people.
22:40
Speaker 1: He's kind of wanting out. Who wants to stay anymore?
22:44
Speaker 1: Bucky where this is a trend. It is a trend.
22:48
Speaker 1: And I thought, what was fascinating wrong Wolf talking about
22:51
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in particular being divas, and how the quarterbacks
22:55
Speaker 1: now want to pick the coach, you want to pick
22:58
Speaker 1: the plays, you want to pick the players, and all
23:00
Speaker 1: of that with none of the responsibility. And I think,
23:03
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of those deals where you just
23:05
Speaker 1: have to really be careful. I know we on the
23:08
Speaker 1: outside sometimes tend to anoint guys and probably give too
23:11
Speaker 1: much credit to one player for the plight of the team.
23:15
Speaker 1: But ultimately it is about the team, and it's about
23:18
Speaker 1: building the best team, the team that can kind of
23:21
Speaker 1: last and stand the test of time. And what we're
23:24
Speaker 1: seeing is it appears that the NFL has become more
23:28
Speaker 1: selfish and nature than ever. It has always been a
23:31
Speaker 1: system where you've had different tiers and the pecking order
23:34
Speaker 1: and the hierarchy, but man like, let some tell it,
23:39
Speaker 1: everything is about the quarterback, and the quarterbacks have whatever
23:42
Speaker 1: he wants to make it work because he's the one
23:44
Speaker 1: that is sold of responsible for the team winning. It
23:46
Speaker 1: is a very interesting time in the National Football League.
23:50
Speaker 1: I struggle with this one because I don't want to
23:52
Speaker 1: be the old guy, uh saying to get off my lawn.
23:54
Speaker 1: And yeah, well when I say this, people accuse me. Oh,
24:00
Speaker 1: you're the team guy. You have to say that. But
24:02
Speaker 1: I don't think overall in this job that I veered
24:05
Speaker 1: toward team over player, and it's not what this is.
24:09
Speaker 1: And I'm asking you this as somebody who played, but
24:13
Speaker 1: you are also saw it from a scout in a
24:15
Speaker 1: team building perspective, and I could sort of put up
24:19
Speaker 1: with the third and fourth year guy, the Jalen Ramsey
24:23
Speaker 1: at a non quarterback position who hasn't gotten his first
24:26
Speaker 1: contract yet pulling something like this more than I can
24:30
Speaker 1: a quarterback who has been signed to a long term deal.
24:33
Speaker 1: And here's why there's a there's an understanding when teams
24:37
Speaker 1: go to these quarterbacks with the mega deals and the
24:41
Speaker 1: agents get this. The team is saying, we are building
24:45
Speaker 1: our salary cap around you. You are the structure of organization.
24:50
Speaker 1: And then when you turn around in two years and
24:52
Speaker 1: want to rechange that, you can't change the dynamics of
24:56
Speaker 1: the team you've built around that, and the agents no
25:00
Speaker 1: when guys sign what that means. So I guess that's
25:04
Speaker 1: why I lean a little more towards with Aaron Rodgers,
25:07
Speaker 1: with Shaun Watson, with Russell Wilson. Quarterbacks who want to leave.
25:10
Speaker 1: You know what, you got unbelievable guaranteed money up front.
25:14
Speaker 1: That's the trade off for not having control of the
25:18
Speaker 1: roster in two years. And the reason you can't leave
25:21
Speaker 1: if you leave the whole team shattered and you knew
25:23
Speaker 1: what you signed on for. Now get off my lawn, Bucky,
25:26
Speaker 1: and then m John like, here's here's an instance where
25:30
Speaker 1: we're definitely in alignment. I'm annoyed by the quarterback and
25:33
Speaker 1: the quarterback conversation. I'm annoyed by all the former quarterbacks
25:38
Speaker 1: that have turned TV broadcasters saying that's the way it
25:40
Speaker 1: should be done. Look, I've never understood the same because
25:43
Speaker 1: I didn't. But they want to have their cake and
25:45
Speaker 1: needed too, even though I would suggest, like that's the
25:47
Speaker 1: whole point of having cake is to eat it. But
25:49
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks want to have their cake and needed too,
25:53
Speaker 1: so they want to get all of the money they
25:54
Speaker 1: want to get top of the market prices and deals,
25:57
Speaker 1: which makes be really hard and tricky for a team
26:00
Speaker 1: to build around them. But then they want to complain
26:03
Speaker 1: when they feel like they don't have enough around them
26:06
Speaker 1: to allow them to be successful. And so I believe
26:10
Speaker 1: this particular in the case of Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson,
26:13
Speaker 1: it is always about the money. It is little to
26:16
Speaker 1: do with the power and to say. And even though
26:18
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers can go on TV and have a dissertation
26:20
Speaker 1: about the people and you know it's about the people
26:23
Speaker 1: and the culture and all this other stuff, I would
26:26
Speaker 1: say this about Aaron Rodgers, it was really about the people.
26:29
Speaker 1: Are you sure you treated Mike McCarthy right when he
26:34
Speaker 1: was the coach and you were the quarterback and there
26:36
Speaker 1: were some issues that you guys may have had because
26:38
Speaker 1: it was really about the people, you would have always
26:40
Speaker 1: been about the people and making sure that the lines
26:42
Speaker 1: of communication were open and everything was fair. But it's
26:46
Speaker 1: not that it's always about the money. And I just
26:49
Speaker 1: wish that he wasn't passive aggressive and would just say
26:51
Speaker 1: it so we wouldn't have to dance around and try
26:54
Speaker 1: and interpret what he's saying. In all these parables and
26:56
Speaker 1: riddles every time I see him on TV. Well, he
26:59
Speaker 1: wants to be communic. But here's the bottom line. I
27:07
Speaker 1: like most of the people that I work with the
27:11
Speaker 1: Jaguars a lot, but I'm still rather to have more money. Yeah,
27:17
Speaker 1: that's all great. I like my boss Pek have, I
27:20
Speaker 1: like JP. I still have a lot of money, then
27:23
Speaker 1: hang out with those It's the reality. I mean, the
27:26
Speaker 1: money makes the money makes it a lot easier to
27:28
Speaker 1: do some of the stuff. And so I will say this,
27:32
Speaker 1: and I think it's important because eventually maybe we get
27:35
Speaker 1: to a point where the Jaguars have to kind of
27:37
Speaker 1: have this conversation with Trevor Lawrence and everything. I think
27:40
Speaker 1: the main thing that you want to have is regardless
27:42
Speaker 1: of whether the star player agrees with what is about
27:45
Speaker 1: to come down the fight, you do have to pick
27:48
Speaker 1: up the phone and kind of let them know, a
27:50
Speaker 1: here's what we're about to do. When it comes to
27:53
Speaker 1: bringing in another quarterback or a weapon. We're thinking about
27:56
Speaker 1: this taking off the opinion. But we don't have to say, oh,
27:59
Speaker 1: we're gonna acquis to your demands. But I'm letting you
28:02
Speaker 1: know ahead of time, so you can't say, oh, I
28:04
Speaker 1: didn't know what that was happening. Now you can get
28:06
Speaker 1: over the hurt feelings that comes along with that sometimes,
28:10
Speaker 1: but you can't make it a little bit of an
28:11
Speaker 1: inclusive process and just being honest and transparent. Hey, here's
28:15
Speaker 1: what we're doing. Is in the best interest of the
28:17
Speaker 1: team for us to at least explore this avenue being camp. Look, yeah,
28:23
Speaker 1: that's it because because here's the funny thing. The funny
28:26
Speaker 1: thing John, all the leverages always with the team, right
28:30
Speaker 1: the poison pills that they put into the cb A
28:32
Speaker 1: this time around, um players don't have any power to
28:36
Speaker 1: hold out or or Alma retire. They have to fork
28:39
Speaker 1: over all that money. And so it sounds nice to say, oh,
28:43
Speaker 1: the player has the power and Sean watch this sit
28:46
Speaker 1: power to the people. It doesn't work like that business,
28:50
Speaker 1: it doesn't work like that. So it's it sounds nice.
28:53
Speaker 1: It's great for like hot takes, but at the end
28:56
Speaker 1: of the day and training camp, Aaron Rodgers will show
28:59
Speaker 1: up just like the most the rest of these guys
29:00
Speaker 1: because no one wants to check, well, we got hot
29:03
Speaker 1: takes all over the place these days looked around the NFL.
29:09
Speaker 1: Let's get to some social media questions and we've got
29:12
Speaker 1: some interesting ones today, and I think this was the
29:16
Speaker 1: most interesting, So we'll start with it at Jags for Life. James,
29:21
Speaker 1: is there any real possibility of a Justin Blackman return?
29:26
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, I had to go
29:28
Speaker 1: do a little research on this. I guess Justin started
29:32
Speaker 1: a new Instagram page and Maurice Jones Drew was liking
29:36
Speaker 1: it and putting out a couple of things that he
29:38
Speaker 1: had put out on Instagram. Apparently it's really him. There
29:42
Speaker 1: was a couple of messages on there that he's trying,
29:44
Speaker 1: He's cleaned things up and trying to get back on
29:46
Speaker 1: track and maybe he wants to come try to play
29:49
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I can handle one comeback in
29:52
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow, I mean Justin Blackman. I mean, who's next, Lazarus?
29:56
Speaker 1: I mean, what's left on the list here? Bucky? I mean,
30:00
Speaker 1: I I just is it real. I mean, he's still
30:02
Speaker 1: on the reserves, suspended by commissioner list for the Jaguars.
30:07
Speaker 1: The Jaguars do have his rights, but it has been
30:10
Speaker 1: a long, long long time and I just don't see it.
30:13
Speaker 1: I hate to even and I think that when we
30:16
Speaker 1: was Justin black Men drafted like what like, oh my gosh,
30:21
Speaker 1: I'm spending Yeah. I mean, I can't sneeze it that
30:25
Speaker 1: because Tim Tebows making a comeback, I think the one
30:27
Speaker 1: thing with Justin Blackman that would be a harder That
30:30
Speaker 1: would be a harder deal because there's not a built
30:32
Speaker 1: in relationship with any coach or management official when it
30:36
Speaker 1: comes to him. There's no one that's invested in him.
30:38
Speaker 1: At least with the Tim Tebow thing, you have a
30:40
Speaker 1: relationship and a bond built on some of the work
30:45
Speaker 1: at Temple. Deal for Irban Meyer as a young player,
30:47
Speaker 1: would you give him the benefit of the doubt. I
30:49
Speaker 1: don't think it works necessarily in this case and black
30:53
Speaker 1: Man's favor, So if he does come back and makes it,
30:56
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be in Jackson will have
30:58
Speaker 1: to be with somewhere else. The reality, And I don't
31:00
Speaker 1: want to make too much light of it, because first
31:02
Speaker 1: of all, if today's news or whatever it is is
31:06
Speaker 1: indication that he's getting life right off the field, then
31:12
Speaker 1: absolutely great for him, because I you know, I probably
31:15
Speaker 1: didn't know just as well as JP did. I think
31:17
Speaker 1: JP got to know a little bit. I always liked
31:19
Speaker 1: the guy. You always rooted for him, and what an
31:22
Speaker 1: unbelievable talent he was. I think he was gonna be big, big, big, big,
31:26
Speaker 1: big time. So let's hope. But I agree with you JP,
31:30
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, Bucky, as much as people want to
31:32
Speaker 1: criticize the whole Tim Tebow thing, you can understand why
31:36
Speaker 1: Urban did it because you know, he knows Tim Tebow
31:40
Speaker 1: and he believes that the only thing that's going to
31:42
Speaker 1: keep this from working is maybe Tim just can't do
31:45
Speaker 1: it anymore. But everything in terms of you know, if
31:49
Speaker 1: there's an at all a chance he's going to work
31:53
Speaker 1: and squeeze everything out of it, So there is some
31:55
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt that is warranted there. I just
31:57
Speaker 1: can't see it with just I mean, it's been a
32:00
Speaker 1: long time, eight years, and Tim was playing baseball, so
32:03
Speaker 1: you know he's keeping himself in some sort of shape
32:07
Speaker 1: and there's never any doubt about his conditioning. Obviously, many
32:11
Speaker 1: questions would have to be answered on that front with
32:13
Speaker 1: Justin to even give it a start. And I you know,
32:19
Speaker 1: here's the thing, and again I'm not laughing at him,
32:22
Speaker 1: just laughing at the enormity of the statement. When you say,
32:26
Speaker 1: weirder things have happened. I don't know that weird things
32:29
Speaker 1: would have happened in this case. This would be unbelievable,
32:32
Speaker 1: and I just I'd be very, very very very surprised. Yeah,
32:36
Speaker 1: and you would have to be reinstated and go through
32:39
Speaker 1: a process to be reinstated by the commission and all that.
32:42
Speaker 1: Even to even think about any of that before you know,
32:45
Speaker 1: and then is he in shape and all that? So
32:48
Speaker 1: I don't think those hands go away. And I'm telling you,
32:52
Speaker 1: Bucky was something. I've covered a lot of great wide receivers,
32:57
Speaker 1: Marvin Harris and Jimmy Smith. Nobody he had hands like
33:01
Speaker 1: this kid in terms of the strength, the ability to
33:06
Speaker 1: snatch balls out of the air. He looked like a
33:09
Speaker 1: different beast of playing that wide receiver station. I'm not
33:12
Speaker 1: saying he's better than Jimmy, better than Marvin, that's absurd, obviously,
33:15
Speaker 1: but every receiver needed something to be special. Jimmy had
33:19
Speaker 1: that ability. You couldn't press him. Marvin had those feet,
33:22
Speaker 1: you could not cover him. Justin Blackman had hands and
33:26
Speaker 1: ability to go get the ball unlike anything I've ever
33:29
Speaker 1: seen anything close Buck he was catchable for him. You
33:33
Speaker 1: know what's funny is I remember watching him. I went
33:35
Speaker 1: to the Fiesta Bowl when he uh, I want to say,
33:38
Speaker 1: he lit up Standford, Him and Brandon would weed and
33:41
Speaker 1: lit them up in the Festivall. And I just remember
33:44
Speaker 1: making notes and comparing them to t O just in
33:47
Speaker 1: terms of his size, his run after catch ability. He
33:50
Speaker 1: was such a physical freak when it just came to
33:52
Speaker 1: just how strong he was. And so look, it's a
33:55
Speaker 1: huge disappointment that he was never able to realize that
33:59
Speaker 1: potential down in Jacksonville. But you talked about a guy
34:02
Speaker 1: coming out of school who I thought was going to
34:04
Speaker 1: be a rock star. I thought he was gonna be
34:06
Speaker 1: a superstar at the next level because he could go
34:09
Speaker 1: and get everything. And when you talk to the people
34:13
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State, because remember when he came out, Dez
34:16
Speaker 1: Bryant was in his prime, they said, oh, if you
34:19
Speaker 1: think this Brian is good, oh, this kid surpasses what
34:22
Speaker 1: did Brian is going to do in the National Football League?
34:25
Speaker 1: And so it's unfortunate that he got sidetrack, but good
34:28
Speaker 1: for him for maybe getting his life back in order.
34:30
Speaker 1: I still think it would be a long road to
34:33
Speaker 1: climb back from if he attempts to make that comeback
34:35
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville and JP one final thing and obviously you
34:39
Speaker 1: witnessed as well as I did. Um even considering everything
34:42
Speaker 1: he was going through, he had two or three games
34:45
Speaker 1: where he showed it was unbelievable on the field. Yeah.
34:50
Speaker 1: One of those was in Houston twelve. That was that
34:53
Speaker 1: overtime game that he went well over two hundred yards.
34:56
Speaker 1: Cecil Shorts had a big game and then Andrew Johnson
34:59
Speaker 1: had the game and overtime he went for like two
35:01
Speaker 1: eight in that game. It was incredible. In Houston Louis
35:06
Speaker 1: in the league and couldn't do it was doing it. Yeah,
35:09
Speaker 1: in St. Louis he did a huge game like that too.
35:12
Speaker 1: I forget what you if that was twelve, But I
35:14
Speaker 1: mean there were a couple of moments where it was like,
35:15
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, this is what this is as advertised.
35:19
Speaker 1: And anyway, we've probably gone on about long. I didn't
35:22
Speaker 1: think we're gonna get that much out of this Scott topic,
35:24
Speaker 1: but pretty well, a couple more quick questions we'll get
35:28
Speaker 1: out of here for the day. At Evan Off Joel
35:30
Speaker 1: staying at wide receiver, do you have you d J.
35:33
Speaker 1: Chark is a true number one or are we still
35:35
Speaker 1: lacking a true number one receiver? John I'll let you
35:39
Speaker 1: start with us. I kind of wonder. I don't know
35:42
Speaker 1: that you need a true number one. It's nice to have,
35:45
Speaker 1: but it gets talked about so much, and it's nice
35:48
Speaker 1: that you have an alpha or whatever. I think DJ.
35:51
Speaker 1: I guess I'm avoiding the question. But Marvin Jones and
35:55
Speaker 1: the Biscuittion all in DJ give you three and as
36:00
Speaker 1: potentially um can DJ B I guess they're asking if
36:05
Speaker 1: he could be Julio Jones, if if he can be
36:07
Speaker 1: that level of guy where you pay that guy and
36:11
Speaker 1: then have everybody else sort of b B. I think
36:15
Speaker 1: DJ can get close to it, and I don't know
36:17
Speaker 1: if we have any idea if he is or not,
36:19
Speaker 1: because he hasn't played with a big time quarterback yet,
36:22
Speaker 1: so he sure looked. I'll tell you what I was
36:26
Speaker 1: always impressed with with DJ Bucky was when he first
36:30
Speaker 1: started to come along in two thousand, what year was
36:33
Speaker 1: a JP nineteen? When he was when he was really good.
36:37
Speaker 1: What he could do that was different was when he
36:41
Speaker 1: crossed the middle of the field, he could snatch the
36:44
Speaker 1: ball on the run, make that high point catch without
36:48
Speaker 1: really slowing down, and could turn that into a twenty
36:51
Speaker 1: five yard play and he had really good instincts and
36:55
Speaker 1: speed and ability to accelerate. That's a route night every
36:58
Speaker 1: receiver can run, and he could really turn that into
37:02
Speaker 1: an explosive play. So yeah, I don't want to say
37:05
Speaker 1: he's gonna be Julio, but I think he can be
37:07
Speaker 1: good enough that I think a team can be good
37:10
Speaker 1: with him as your best receiver. Put it that way. Yeah,
37:12
Speaker 1: Now this is man. This is a question that has
37:14
Speaker 1: so many layers to it. Right, I would say from
37:17
Speaker 1: a philosophical standpoint, by definition, a number one receiver is
37:22
Speaker 1: a guy who commands double teams when they step onto
37:25
Speaker 1: the field. They're not only command the double team, but
37:27
Speaker 1: they have the ability to beat double coverage. Um, you
37:31
Speaker 1: obviously have seen it John in a few different places.
37:33
Speaker 1: When you think about Jimmy Smith, Jimmy Smith was a
37:35
Speaker 1: number one receiver. Everyone in the stadium new the ball
37:39
Speaker 1: is going to eight two, but you can't do anything
37:41
Speaker 1: to stop. And then if you go to your time
37:44
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis with Marvin Harrison even later Reggie Wayne, everybody
37:48
Speaker 1: knows that the ball is going to and no matter
37:51
Speaker 1: what the strategy attacked it, you cannot diminish their impact
37:56
Speaker 1: on the game. So that's kind of how to find it.
37:58
Speaker 1: Now you bring up another point, and I will say this,
38:02
Speaker 1: you do not need a number one receiver to win
38:04
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. But the better the quarterback,
38:08
Speaker 1: the lesser the need for number one. If you have
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Speaker 1: an A plus quarterback, you can win with a bunch
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Speaker 1: of bees on the perimeter because the quarterback is going
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Speaker 1: to put the ball in spots that allow those those
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Speaker 1: B level receivers to be able to win. When the
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Speaker 1: quarterback is not an A, then you need better receivers
38:26
Speaker 1: to overcompensate for what the quarterback might be lacking. So
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence could very well come into the league, and
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Speaker 1: if he lives up to what we think he might be,
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Speaker 1: d J chart Levisk and those other guys will look
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Speaker 1: like one because the quarterback is putting the ball in
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Speaker 1: a spot each and every play that allows them to
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Speaker 1: easily get the job done. And so some of it
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Speaker 1: is quarterback, some of his receiver. It's kind of like
38:53
Speaker 1: the Chicken and the Egg debate. We will know more
38:55
Speaker 1: once we get a chance to see Trevor Lawrence your
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Speaker 1: one year two to determine where the DJ charces I got,
39:01
Speaker 1: I would say on surface I think DJ Chark is
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Speaker 1: more of a complimentary wide receiver, a number two with
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Speaker 1: the potential to play like number one in the right
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Speaker 1: environment and in the right scheme. So we'll see. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I thought he showed flashes of it in nineteen at times.
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Speaker 1: And the big thing he has to get past Bucky
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Speaker 1: is is that ability to win and be productive even
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Speaker 1: when he's being double. That's the next step. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know that he's had a chance to show
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Speaker 1: that yet in the last couple of years. The most
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Speaker 1: interesting thing anybody ever ever told me about the number
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Speaker 1: one receiver Rural early Rural, early in my time in Andy,
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Speaker 1: I asked Tony Dungey about the importance of Marvin Harrison
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Speaker 1: being elite and at the time he was elite, this
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Speaker 1: was two thousand and three, two thousand four, when he
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Speaker 1: was as good as anybody, and he said, as important
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Speaker 1: as the production is, what they gained from Marvin being
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Speaker 1: a clear elite wide receiver was when they moved him
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Speaker 1: to one side of the field. Marvin Harrison being on
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Speaker 1: the field and in the gray white receivers dictate the
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Speaker 1: defense and what the defense has to do to you
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Speaker 1: to a degree that that allowed Peyton to be so
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Speaker 1: good at the line of scrimmage. When they sent Marvin
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Speaker 1: over here, they knew they had to have two safeties
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Speaker 1: with them. They knew had they had to shade coverage.
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Speaker 1: They knew in advance what the defense would have to do,
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Speaker 1: and it dictated what else the offense could do. It
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Speaker 1: made them that much more efficient, And I think that
40:23
Speaker 1: sometimes gets lost. You look at it at the number
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Speaker 1: one receivers production and think, okay, he had eleven hundred
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Speaker 1: yards receiving well in Indy when I was there. What
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Speaker 1: enabled that offense to be so good was the defenses
40:35
Speaker 1: were so scared of what Marvin had to do or
40:38
Speaker 1: could do, that they had to cover them a certain way,
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Speaker 1: and that helped Peyton to measurably for a while. Yeah,
40:43
Speaker 1: it's it's funny how that conversation is right, because a
40:45
Speaker 1: lot of times if we go and we do like
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Speaker 1: score books scouting or box score scouting, we look at
40:52
Speaker 1: the numbers and and say, hey, this guy is the
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Speaker 1: number one because they have that much production. But really
40:57
Speaker 1: it's what you say, how did they dictate the terms
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Speaker 1: to the defense. You know, when when you think about
41:04
Speaker 1: like Marvin, and I think Marvin is an easy example.
41:06
Speaker 1: I think everyone understands he was a Hall of Fame
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Speaker 1: color player, but Marvin opens it up for everybody else
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Speaker 1: to do work. But then the other way to look
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Speaker 1: at it is those guys are so good that if
41:18
Speaker 1: you give them a lottery ticket, meaning you give them
41:21
Speaker 1: one on one coverage, they cast a lottery ticket every time.
41:24
Speaker 1: So if you line up in a critical situation and say, hey,
41:27
Speaker 1: you know what we're gonna we're gonna take our chances
41:29
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go one on one, and they make
41:31
Speaker 1: you pay for playing one on one coverage. And so
41:35
Speaker 1: that's how it should be. And I think the big
41:38
Speaker 1: thing for DJ we talked about a great twenty nineteen
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Speaker 1: season where he showed flashes being able to do it
41:44
Speaker 1: and the quarterback playing twenty was not great. But what
41:47
Speaker 1: you would like to see is, Okay, now that you're
41:50
Speaker 1: a known commodity, can you now take it up or
41:53
Speaker 1: notch and continue to produce when everyone knows you. It's
41:56
Speaker 1: one thing to put up big production when no one
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Speaker 1: ohs and uncertainly, hey who's that guy. It's another thing
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Speaker 1: when they come into the game knowing we gotta stop him,
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Speaker 1: and he still gets gets loose. That's when you're like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's the number one receiver all day and JP final thing.
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Speaker 1: I think fans listening to this will automatically say, well,
42:16
Speaker 1: DJ didn't do that. I don't think he's done it yet,
42:19
Speaker 1: but I think I saw things that made me think
42:22
Speaker 1: or the made me think that he's capable of doing that.
42:25
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a fascinating thing to
42:27
Speaker 1: watch for d J tark this year. Just because he
42:30
Speaker 1: hasn't really shown that yet doesn't mean it's not there.
42:33
Speaker 1: There's potential in this guy, the size speed, The book
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Speaker 1: is not closed yet on him, on where he ranks
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Speaker 1: and what he is he hasn't I don't think he's
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Speaker 1: come close to reaching his potential. John the other part
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Speaker 1: of it. It also goes to the play call and
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Speaker 1: play designer. Right. So it's one thing to be a
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Speaker 1: number one receiver, it's another thing to have a play
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Speaker 1: designer who understands, okay, all the coverages to it in
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Speaker 1: his way. How can I crew opportunities for him to
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Speaker 1: get loose? Can I put him in motion? Can I
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Speaker 1: draw up some exotics that allow him to find a
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Speaker 1: way to get some space, to get loose. The better
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Speaker 1: the play caller, the better the chances of the number
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Speaker 1: one receiver being dominant each and every week. Because we
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Speaker 1: all need help. Candy play caller helped the number one
43:22
Speaker 1: receiver find a way to have a handful of one
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Speaker 1: on one matchups each game, which allows him to put
43:28
Speaker 1: his impact on the game. Do you have it? Tire?
43:31
Speaker 1: Thanks for the social media questions this week, some really
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Speaker 1: nice answers to go along with it as well, and
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Speaker 1: the Huddle Up podcast. Hey Bucky, what you got this week?
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Speaker 1: What's coming up? Man? You know, just trying to survey
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Speaker 1: the landscape and see what's going on. But JP, we
43:47
Speaker 1: got trying to figure out it is now and never
43:49
Speaker 1: for several players in the league. Like we always talk
43:52
Speaker 1: about guys that we're waiting to pop and are they
43:55
Speaker 1: ever going to be what we think? So, for instance,
43:58
Speaker 1: I guy like Tavian Bryant, is he ever going to
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Speaker 1: be what we think or not? So let's trying to
44:04
Speaker 1: study some of those guys around the league, Like who
44:06
Speaker 1: are the guys that it happens now or is never
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Speaker 1: going appen? That's what Elvis used to say, John, it's
44:11
Speaker 1: an ho or never, now or never? Nara never. Chris
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Speaker 1: Cross said that once to his shirts on back JPS.
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Speaker 1: For you and I looking forward, we'll be out there
44:24
Speaker 1: and uh, I think fans listening. That's tomorrow and uh
44:27
Speaker 1: big time coverage on Jaguars dot com and our social
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Speaker 1: media channels. Yes, great stuff. As always, that's John Osier.
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Speaker 1: Bucky will talk to you again next week. Bucky Brooks,
44:37
Speaker 1: NFL media analyst, And for everyone, I'm J. P. Shadrick.
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