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Germanic Occultism (Feat. My Family Thinks I'm Crazy) · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 8: Oh, now, about five minutes in the guests, I already
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  forgot what the topic is. At this point, we got
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  the one and only Mark from my family thinks it's
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  crazy joining us tonight to talk about dramatic occultism.
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  Speaker 7: What is going on?
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  Speaker 1: Mark?
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  Speaker 7: Please let everybody know who doesn't know who you are,
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  what is up with you? Where they can find all
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  your amazing work. Please?
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, thank you. You really pulled out all the
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  stops for me here tonight, and I appreciate it well
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  a long time coming here on the Occult Rejects. Sorry
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  if I start talking like Trump. I was hanging out
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  with my Fox News watching grandparents today. But anyways, my
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  family thinks I'm crazy. That's the name of my podcast
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  and it's a true statement. So if you're obsessed with weird,
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  strange stuff, your family probably thinks you're crazy too. So
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  listen to my podcast and pick a few tips. Because
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  I've been dealing with it since I first was able
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  to utter a thoughtful sentence, so always always getting questions
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  from people, why why are you looking into that?
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  Speaker 7: What?
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  Speaker 1: And then sure enough it actually paid off fifteen years later.
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  So here we are talking about a topic that sort
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  of came out of the blue for me and the
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  grand scheme of things, but now has somewhat become an
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  obsession in some ways.
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  Speaker 7: Very obsessed with and Nazis and all that shit.
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  Speaker 1: So I get it right, Yeah, it's it's it's something
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  that affects the entirety of Western civilization hosts a certain
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  time period that we'll get into. So yeah, it's it's
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  got big implications, and it could be a little bit
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  of my own bias, you know, when you start holding
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  a hammer everything because and nail that kind of logic.
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  But there's there's a lot of there's a lot of
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  interesting stuff that I hope we can get into tonight.
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  So yeah, I can kick it off now, or I
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  can pass it on to someone else and we can
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  ask questions. But I mean, essentially, the phrase Germanic occultism
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  is like the phrase American fast food.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, that's a good way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, that's that's that's kind of like my what
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  do you call it in college? Your thesis statement? Right, So,
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  as you'll see today, Germany has played a big role
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  in this sort of strange part of culture. So where
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  should we start. I'll take this silence and pause to
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  light this up. For me, it started in New Haven, Connecticut,
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  where one way or another I started looking into Scull
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  and Bones, the fraternity at Yale, and the pervading rumor,
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  although it's not particularly substantiated, but there's enough for me
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  to feel confident. But the rumor is that scull and
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  Bones is the second chapter of a German order, the
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  Order of Skull and Bones. And somewhere in the Scull
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  and Bones tomb at Yale University, I believe, over the
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  fireplace on the second floor, there's a painting or a picture,
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  maybe an old time picture of a skull and some
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  other things on a table, something like this, and the
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  phrase in German that says, you know, we were beggars,
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  we were kings, we were gods, we were fools, but
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  in the end we're all the same, right to that effect, basically,
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  death the great equalizer. So as I studied Skull and
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  Bones and looked into you know, what is this all
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  about you know, why does Yale University have a strange
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  contingency of very wealthy and powerful and connected and wealthy
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  like mego wealthy people and they're all going through this
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  one small group that only takes fifteen people per senior class.
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  So here we are German occultism. Because if Skull and
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  Bones is the second chapter of something that started in Germany,
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  well what's going on in Germany?
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 1: So we can save skull and Bones and all that
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  fascinating stuff for another conversation. But when I looked into
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  you know, what is Germany and what is German occultism,
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  it was like you know that meme where Charlie has
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  like all this stuff on the wall with the lines
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  and it's going crazy. But if like a dump truck
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  of papers came through the door at the same time, like,
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  there's a lot. And that's mainly because Germany, it's younger
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  as a country than America is. They didn't exist when
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  America was formed. They were city states and small kingdoms,
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  emperors and all sorts of political YadA YadA that got
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  basically consolidated, consolidated up into and after particularly World War One.
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  So again, like I said before, we started the conversation.
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  We're not going to talk much about the Nazis because
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  there is so much to talk about. It pertains to
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  Germany just prior to excuse me, world War one, and again,
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  World War one was kind of what created Germany as
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  a country in many ways, but before that it was
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  a hodgepodge of different types of government. One of the
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  most famous is the Bavaria, right, this little place called Bavaria,
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  which created the Bavarian Illuminati. And some people have said, well,
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  that must be the first chapter of the Order of
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  Skull and Bones. I don't think it's that simple. So
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  with Germany again, you have to understand it's only been
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  a country for a couple centuries, and on top of that,
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  there were all these pretty wealthy, powerful people in that area.
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  It's kind of at the center of Europe, the heart
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  of Europe. It's above this major obstacle in Europe, which
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  is the Alps. Right, so the Alps have kind of
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  left Western Europe, France, Spain, itally, even this sort of
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  you know, stew in somewhat isolation at certain periods of history.
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  Obviously there's different waves of people that have come in,
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  but at a certain time in European history, a lot
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  of the people living in these regions around the Alps
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  where either Germanic peoples or had some connection to Germanic peoples.
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  And really, when you start looking at well, what is
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  you know, this occultism, where does it start? It starts
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  with runs. Okay, Now, obviously the Germans don't have single
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  claim on ruins. Ruins are found in multiple different European cultures.
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  In some way might argue that they're in Asian cultures
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  as well. But the concept of the run is very
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  similar to the Hebrew concept that essentially forms the Kabbala
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  with its numerical alphabet, and these same concepts are mirrored
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  in the ruins in the sense that the notes are
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  multi dimensional, they mean more than just the sound that
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  you are to utter when you read it. So, in
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  that way, the language base of many of what we
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  now think of as the sort of Anglo Saxon, that
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  kind of the groups of people that kind of were
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  molded and shaped by what now we call English. Right,
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  Germany is a precursor to English. There's a couple of
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  other lost languages that are in those sort of I
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  don't know the tree going to it, YadA, YadA, YadA,
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  anything that you look at as far as pagan be
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  a cult in England, it's all connected to this sort
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  of singular Runic origin. Now some people talk about this
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  coming from the Tuata day done in which you can
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  interpret maybe as the fallen Angels. There's other people that
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  go a step further and have other interpretations of that.
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  There's also the again the melting pot of Germany. There's
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  all these influences coming in from the South, from the
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  Middle East, from Egypt, right, so a lot of mixing,
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  and what you get is this sort of you know,
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  culture of people who have a little bit of something
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  from a lot of different places, and over time what
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  you get are these people who are kind of like
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  knowledge traders, right, Like they're in the center, so as
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  people are moving through their area, that becomes sort of
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  like the you know, key cultural value of those areas
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  is that they're accumulating the knowledge of the people who
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  are passing through to trade and make their way from
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  Europe to the Holy Land and then back from the
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  Holy Land to wherever they're from in Europe. And you know,
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  again this great exchange all of the wisdom, knowledge, scientific
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  innovation from the Arabic Renaissance, which was going on during
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  the Dark Ages, right, So Europe was basically suppressed by
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  the powers that be at the time, and because of that,
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  these innovations were not shared with Europe on a large scale.
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  And then when these crusades started happening, it was like
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  the floodgates opened. Right now, all of this to say,
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  and I'm going to pause and let you guys ask questions,
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  all of this created what we now think of as
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  the university system. Okay, so this, the origin of what
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  we now think of as a university is in this
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  region that we now call Germany, and it was these
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  learned people who were in some ways trying to create
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  political power with this, right the Holy Roman Empire, which
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  some people have said wasn't holy, it wasn't Roman, and
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  it wasn't really an empire. Right. So again you have
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  this kind of weird identity crisis with and this is
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  you know what people talk about when the Nazi conversation
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  comes up. You have this really strange identity crisis too
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  going on in these regions where you know, they're not
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  exactly German, Like what that means to be German is
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  kind of like a fabricated being in the same way
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  that you know, what it means to be American has
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  been sort of created over the and shaped and changed
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  over the past. You know, four hundred years of history
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  in America. Well, in Germany it's a smaller period of
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  time and they have a much larger history base to
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  go off of. So what happens again with the the Nazis,
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  which I'm not so well versed in, but what you'll
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  learn when you when you type in German occultism is
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  you'll get hit with the Nazis and you'll you'll learn
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  that Well, the Nazis they wanted to you know, sway
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  the people, So they built up this mytho poetical propaganda.
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  They created the idea of the Ubermensch, and they used
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  the myths and legends that were popular to the folk people,
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  and they created this idea of a superior German Man.
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  And this was the basis of the political fearvor that
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  the you're you know, upheaved right, So in that sense,
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  you know, there's a there's a truth to that, but
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  then there's also a denial of of the other factors
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  when you just look at that. So again, we don't
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  need to spend really any time talking about the Nazi stuff,
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  but it does really have its roots in this time
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  period of Germany, which we now talk about as the
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  age of the Teutonic Knights. Right, So the Teutonic Knights
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  were kind of like a more organized version of the
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  Knights Templar, and they became in essence the learned men
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  who developed rose Crucianism. Okay, rose a Crucianism was a
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  very very secretive, very unreal in the sense that people
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  could kind of just tend to be one, and you
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  know some people might you know, not be one at all,
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  but other people later in time were like, oh, yeah,
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  he was a Rosicrucian because they wanted to, you know,
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  boost themselves up by association. But either way, this culture
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  that was growing in that area became again the university system,
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  and then conversely, in England it became Freemasonry. And this
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  is important because that gets into why World War One happened.
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  So we don't have to get to that right now
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  because I just said a lot. But essentially what you
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  have in Germany is a secret culture of people who
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  don't really feel maybe necessarily nationalistic because their nation is
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  so young, and maybe they have patriotic or patriarchal ties
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  that go deeper. And this is where the culture of
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  secret societies really flourishes, right because you have people who
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  are used to the old system, a new system is
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  imposed on them, and what do they do. They go
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  underground so they can maintain those older structures of power.
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  It connects to the Crusades, It goes back to the
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  time of Pagans again with the Ruins, and if you
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  look up like Teutonic paganism, you're going to find a
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  lot of neo pagan stuff, which is arguably synthetic in
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  the sense that it's a synthesis of new stuff, like
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  a lot of the New Age is. But what you
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  have to realize is that this country, Germany produced some
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  of the brilliant people that changed what became the twentieth century.
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  So again the German and people and everything that happened
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  with Hitler. As a conspiracy theorist, we might argue that, well,
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  obviously they wanted to, you know, get some rains on
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  this machine before it, you know, ran a muck and
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  became a behemoth or these. And again I'm not a
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  Nazi sympathizer in any way, but there's also the argument
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  that you know this was these people were not what
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  they history tells us they are, and they had an
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  idealistic goal in mind, and the whole issue with the
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  Jews was not and so on and so forth. Right,
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  So there's a lot of conspiracies there. Again, I'm not
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  an expert in any of that, but I think it's
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  important to understand the prehistory of what became Nazi Germany
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  in order to really understand what we're going through today,
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  because the terms Nazi have not died, like, people still
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  use that term in a pejorative way, and you know,
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  in a sense, it's kind of ironic because the people
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  who practice socialism will then turn and call people who
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  they consider republican or fascist Trump, They'll call them not Nazis,
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  right even though their you know, ideology is very much
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  in line with the national socialism and YadA, YadA, YadA.
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  So there's a lot of strange stuff going on. And
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  I think once you start to understand the nineteenth century
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  and the sort of foreshadowing of World War One, it
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  starts to make sense why Germany at some point in
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  time became a target. Right. It was never a country
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  of its own with its own history, so it became
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  a target, you know, basically by smaller countries around that,
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  people who were within Germany who didn't feel again nationalistic
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  towards this new nation state idea, and in the age
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  of imperialism, a lot of people were like corporations, fuck
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  the government. Like this whole atheistic anarchist sentiment really came
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  from that time period when children were being forced to
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  work in I mean horrible conditions and that was the
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  foundation that created their lives. So the children who grew
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  up working in those conditions, what do you think their
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  children ended up like? Right, So it's a degradation along
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  with the progress that's been made. Right, It's sort of
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  a bell curve kind of situation. But yeah, I think
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  the secret societies eventually just divorced themselves from this idea
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  of being attached to any nation, and it was really
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  convenient to do it in a place like Germany where
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  things were kind of young and people again didn't feel
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  this connection. Necessarily, all of that had to be kind
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  of stirred up by these propagandists that were part of
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  the Nazis. And again, now you try to look up
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  some of this German occultism stuff, and it's very murky
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  because you get a lot of stuff about the Nazis,
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  but Faust this, I mean, this is like kind of
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  the benchmark and a lot of the stuff he wrote.
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  I might be mixing his name with one of his plays.
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  I always do that with Faust. It's either the name
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  of play.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah it is a play, it's by Gerta or Goth
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  g O T HG.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, so go, thank you, so Gota Gerta as
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  the German, as a as an untrained Englishman, I say
• 25:56
  Goth But he was was very much a pillar. When
• 26:02
  I talk about the influence that Germany had on the
• 26:06
  rest of the world, and how they carried this idea
• 26:10
  of occultism into Western civilization and it really became part
• 26:16
  and parcel to the way we see the world now
• 26:19
  and how it's kind of split up and rational materialism
• 26:23
  and super zealous religious and everything in between. This is
• 26:28
  that Hegelian dialect that you know, Hegel inspired so many
• 26:34
  with who were in that area. George Hegel another interesting
• 26:39
  character who was at some university in Germany. I think
• 26:44
  I said five or ten minutes ago that I was
• 26:46
  going to pause, so.
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: I was like shit, I was like, you said one
• 26:51
  more thing, I think it's been like three I'm like,
• 26:52
  I'm gonna stop.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: I have a lot of stuff that goes along with that.
• 26:58
  As far as Prussia, when you look at all the
• 27:00
  surrounding duchies Pomeranian, you had the Habsburg line that was
• 27:06
  basically working for the Roman Empire and they were coming
• 27:09
  in and slowly crushing out all these small duchies and
• 27:12
  taking them over. And as far as the university system,
• 27:16
  that's part of it, but you also have the Prussian
• 27:19
  education system that was set up. There was a school,
• 27:22
  the military Pipeline that basically John Dewey and Man basically
• 27:28
  studied and brought back to the United States and gave
• 27:31
  basically the United States the Prussian education system, you know. So,
• 27:35
  but as far as all the vulk and going back
• 27:39
  into the traditional you know, thoughts of the people that
• 27:43
  were in the Rhine Land, you get into you know,
• 27:47
  like if you read James G. Frasier, he goes on
• 27:50
  and on and on about all of these fertility rituals
• 27:53
  and like sending a bull between two fires to get
• 27:56
  the demon out from in between their home wrns and
• 27:59
  just like what was I going to say?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: The uh?
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: But yeah, it's it's oh, the U. In one part
• 28:06
  he talked about if there was a traveler passing by
• 28:09
  in the Rhineland that they would basically capture him and
• 28:14
  sacrifice him to the corn goat or the depending on
• 28:18
  the region. They had these different types of animals they
• 28:21
  would make out of the the crops of the field,
• 28:24
  and so it was a big thing in regard to
• 28:27
  the fertility of the land and that bringing forth life
• 28:31
  to you know, feed the culture and the people basically.
• 28:35
  But yeah, it's it's a it's a very interesting and
• 28:38
  deep subject.
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: That's before Germany, you're saying, that's like Germany.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and Prussia, they had promised them a constitutional government
• 28:49
  over and over and over, and a lot of what
• 28:51
  Prussia really was was they were experimenting with different types
• 28:57
  of corporate like to tease as far as using corporations
• 29:03
  to rule over government. And I think this was a
• 29:05
  pre subsidiary and study of what they later brought in
• 29:09
  regard to contract magic to the rest of the world.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Thank you for all two that. Yeah, that's
• 29:19
  that's it's and it's important to say that Prussia was
• 29:22
  not necessarily a part of Germany until later on, and
• 29:27
  Prussia kind of collapsed I think before World War two,
• 29:32
  or maybe because of World War One, but yeah, it
• 29:36
  definitely was a aggressive adversarial influence and that whole fertility
• 29:43
  cult dynamic. One book that is really interesting that I
• 29:48
  encourage people to seek out. It's titled Night Battles and
• 29:53
  it studies a particular place in Italy, but this was
• 29:59
  not isolated to Italy. These types of practices. What they
• 30:03
  would do is they would have warlocks and witches in
• 30:07
  the community who were essentially designated in their childhood because
• 30:14
  of certain attributes that were displayed, characteristics, signs that this
• 30:20
  person might have, you know, other worldly abilities, which I
• 30:25
  kind of believe that these things are naturally expressed when
• 30:30
  humans are in a more natural environment or an environment
• 30:33
  that's more natural for our biology. But either way, they
• 30:38
  would battle with other regions nearby in their dreams. So
• 30:45
  these witches and warlocks would wear certain outfits to bed,
• 30:49
  and because the clothing they were wearing had been charged
• 30:53
  all day or I forget exactly the specifics of the ritual,
• 30:58
  but they would wear the these battle outfits to bed
• 31:01
  and then in their dreams go and fight with other
• 31:06
  agrarian communities in the area over exactly what our Marx
• 31:11
  just pointed out the fertility cult, because there was sort
• 31:14
  of like this idea that the abundance or the fertility
• 31:19
  that the earth could offer was limited. And maybe you know,
• 31:24
  if if you couldn't beckon favor from the gods, well
• 31:28
  you can maybe you know, hurt your enemy so they
• 31:32
  don't get as much of that energy and more of
• 31:35
  it comes to you. I'm sure there's other justifications for
• 31:38
  it is as well.
• 31:40
  Speaker 12: Hiss and Uh. I think Hess and Crowley were doing.
• 31:44
  They were dressing up in these like robes with all
• 31:47
  these sigils on them and like kind of having a
• 31:50
  duel or something like as like a chaos wizard or.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: At context, it's like wow, like during World War two,
• 32:01
  to people who were loosely affiliated with either sides of
• 32:06
  the Axis and ally powers were battling each other with
• 32:10
  the cult symbols behind the scenes.
• 32:14
  Speaker 13: I got a story about that.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: This is ancient time go ahead.
• 32:19
  Speaker 13: Right, So in World War two, the Nazis actually used
• 32:23
  dowsers as their means of hunting submarines. So they were
• 32:27
  using map dowsers, using the pendulums to find out where
• 32:31
  these submarines were and they actually had a pretty good
• 32:33
  track record of doing it until Gerald Gardner was passed
• 32:37
  by the British government to start doing Cone of Power
• 32:41
  rituals with his Wika group, and so they were blocking
• 32:45
  the Nazi dowsers from finding these submarines. They also used
• 32:50
  dowsing to find El Duce in Italy because they kept
• 32:55
  transferring him between these palaces, and they actually got an
• 32:58
  extraction team to pull you know, the dictator of Italy
• 33:02
  out using these mapdousers and trying to find his location.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: Wow, that really makes you think, like, was the whole
• 33:10
  war done behind the scenes through all these certain like
• 33:15
  kind of This.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Is more examples to demonstrate that point that you just
• 33:20
  brought out jewels and you made a great point like
• 33:24
  this is going on behind the scenes, and I'm here
• 33:27
  to tell you it's been going on.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, from what you mentioned, it was happening way earlier
• 33:33
  in these other kind of Germanic oh yeah communities. Yeah yeah.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Man Napolyan in his Great Conquest, whate was one of
• 33:42
  the things he did. He went to Egypt and he
• 33:45
  basically inspired the creation of what we now think of
• 33:49
  as Egyptology because he sent so many of his skilled learned.
• 33:55
  You know, they didn't call them scientists at the time,
• 33:57
  but they were essentially scientists before scientists were recognized as scientists.
• 34:02
  And they studied Egypt, and they brought all these you know,
• 34:06
  illustrations back to different universities and you know this. Yeah,
• 34:14
  it was it was like this resurgence that in some ways,
• 34:18
  like people might have heard about these mummy parties where
• 34:21
  they would take a mummy. They would these wealthy people
• 34:24
  who could afford to buy mummy, they would unwrap it
• 34:28
  at a party. I mean, could you imagine.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: Drink from it?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Right, they would run the.
• 34:34
  Speaker 10: Up right Now, it's like for rich people. That's like
• 34:43
  the rich people can't nip and.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: They just.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: St It was taken like a like medicine, right, Yeah, like.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Marina Abram God ritual where she gives you a fake
• 35:01
  human body to eat and the ritual aspect of it, Yeah,
• 35:06
  might have some medicinal value if you're in that state
• 35:10
  of mind. I mean, placebo is a powerful thing. Who
• 35:13
  knows what the help she's adding to that cake mix.
• 35:18
  Speaker 13: All the people who could afford to buy these mummies
• 35:21
  and consume them were probably in these bloodlines.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: Right, They go all the way back to Egypt, raw
• 35:32
  eating their ancestry.
• 35:33
  Speaker 13: That's what they're doing. I mean, that's ancestraphagi. That's very common.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: See.
• 35:37
  Speaker 10: That's why I'm That's why I'm glad I'm broke, is
• 35:40
  because if I was rich and I had to do
• 35:42
  this ship, I fucking killed myself. Like really, I have
• 35:46
  to eat dead corpse, moldy, dusty ass and.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: They actually conditioned like your whole life is is mansions
• 36:01
  and fine dining, and you know you're so sick of
• 36:04
  like the most expensive plate here. Could imagine buying at
• 36:08
  a restaurant that you're like, oh, yeah, let's spice it
• 36:11
  up with charred bone from a you know, torture yummy.
• 36:16
  Because I don't know where this you or this was
• 36:19
  going to go maybe YouTube, but God forbid.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: But we still do it today. Rhinoceros.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Uh, you're going to say that.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: That stuff they still do it today.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Chinese medicines and powders and you know, starfish actually.
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: Protects against poisons, so they usually make cups out of it,
• 36:54
  like three thousand years in China.
• 36:57
  Speaker 10: So I did have a question for Mark, just really quick,
• 37:00
  cool I do eventually did you say that I'm probably
• 37:05
  going to say this wrong, but it was the Tuatha
• 37:09
  Denan people. Yes, they were in and around that area
• 37:15
  before like Germany was like popping off hard or they
• 37:19
  were like trying to settle that area or what were they?
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: So to my memory, which could be a little faulty,
• 37:27
  there were a group of people that we remember as
• 37:32
  the Fomorians, and they actually sound a lot more like
• 37:36
  what we now think of as Sasquatch, maybe what we
• 37:39
  would have called in the past giants or Nephelim. And
• 37:43
  there was a counterpart to the Fomorians who were battling
• 37:48
  the Fomorians, and they had a different name. But I
• 37:52
  think Tuatha day don In it's kind of like a
• 37:56
  term that falsely gets used to call these people, but
• 38:00
  really like that's more like like you wouldn't call you know,
• 38:03
  the Lord of the Rings characters, those guys from the
• 38:06
  Lord of the Rings. You'd call them hobbits, right or
• 38:09
  the wizard, So kind of like that Like this, I
• 38:13
  think the Tuatha day done In is like the legend itself,
• 38:16
  and then there are characters within it that are these
• 38:19
  people that, according to the legend, came from the other world. Okay, now, in.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: And return to it. What's that and return to it?
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Right? Right?
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Well, I lost the battle that left depicts in the Ireland.
• 38:36
  So they lost, they lost the last battle. That's why
• 38:39
  it's called the Last Battle of of the of the City.
• 38:42
  And they retreated to the to their dimension.
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: And there's some also links with them to the Tower
• 38:48
  of Babel as well.
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: Well, yeah, I was gonna say that to you. It's
• 38:52
  like they're the ancient Bloodliners, right, They're like the the
• 38:56
  ones people assume are some type of nephi Lean type beings,
• 39:01
  magical beings, and I don't know, I mean I think
• 39:05
  some of them stuck around. I think we got traces
• 39:07
  of them.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Think about it like this, we have all these we'll
• 39:12
  call them a Runic legends and the Tuatha Dayden. This
• 39:16
  story is kind of in that culture of Celtic gal
• 39:19
  you know, the Nordic and the fusion of those people
• 39:22
  into what became kind of this idea of a German person, right,
• 39:27
  all of that was floating around in the folklore, and
• 39:31
  then they start mixing and intermingling with the Moors and
• 39:35
  the Jews and the Arabs, and they're like, oh my gosh,
• 39:37
  you guys have the same stories like you guys are
• 39:40
  talking about these beings too, So this is kind of
• 39:43
  where some of the people were like, all right, let's
• 39:46
  you know, let's consolidate this, right. And I'm not saying
• 39:49
  that was right because a lot of people were killed
• 39:51
  under the cross and a sword, you know, the whole
• 39:56
  Christianization of Europe, and we still have that going on
• 40:00
  in some ways today with what's going on in Gaza.
• 40:05
  So we don't need to get super political. But yeah,
• 40:08
  there's there's definitely some implications that still carry through to
• 40:12
  this day. But to get it all back to, you know,
• 40:16
  this idea that warfare and occultism might be somehow connected,
• 40:21
  like if you go back to the you know, the
• 40:25
  furthest reaches of what warfare was, every single general who's
• 40:30
  worth his salt had a mystic, a seer, a dis honor,
• 40:36
  an astronomer exactly. Yeah, they all.
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: Rel Regan had like twelve of them in the White House. Dude,
• 40:43
  I'm pretty sure he had twelve anomers.
• 40:49
  Speaker 13: Yeah, astrologer and.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: That was astrologer. Sorry, Reagan had Hollywood astrology. This is
• 40:55
  a little different. You know, maybe some scientology makes in
• 41:00
  there too, so that.
• 41:02
  Speaker 13: Hollywood astrologer, though she's the one who advised them on
• 41:05
  the Just Say No.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Campaign and going really hard on drugs.
• 41:08
  Speaker 13: Because his whole, uh, his whole campaign was kind of
• 41:11
  falling apart because people saw how how he was deteriorating physically,
• 41:16
  and so his astrologer suggested, you need a cause that
• 41:19
  everybody can rally around, and that's when they started this
• 41:22
  Just Say No campaign because it was astrologically significant.
• 41:27
  Speaker 10: Well, somebody brought up the other day how like Mary
• 41:30
  Todd Lincoln was in there conjuring freaking dead corpses and
• 41:34
  shit too. I mean, they were all kind of into
• 41:37
  that stuff. But it's it's kind of like what Mark
• 41:40
  was saying, if you go back past the Nazis and
• 41:42
  you go back past like all the sensationalized stuff, all
• 41:47
  of this has its roots in some type of like
• 41:49
  ancient occultism, like ancient.
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: And stuff.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a question from did you have any
• 42:02
  did you have any your research look at a specific
• 42:06
  location in Germany as we're stopping, because in some of
• 42:11
  the work that Nick and I did, we were noticing
• 42:14
  how some of these very notorious oultist Michael Myers, Henrik
• 42:19
  Kruhmroth Kunroth was the guy who Basically, Yates referred to
• 42:24
  him as the link between John D and Rosa Chrustianism
• 42:29
  because he was able to tie in let's see by
• 42:32
  Thagorian alchemy kabala all that there are a specific area
• 42:38
  in Germany.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about Francis Yates? No, oh, Yates? Who
• 42:47
  would you say?
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Yates had had had done an analysis on Heinrich Kuhmroth.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, interesting that that name is new to me.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: But Berlin say this, when you look at the Bapho met,
• 43:05
  the bathroom met came from Heinrich Kumeras.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: Okay, it didn't, So it didn't come from Levy.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: No, Levy even quotes in his book from honest Hieroglyphica
• 43:20
  Heinrich kumrast.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: I know about Moon, so I have to correct myself
• 43:25
  on the own show.
• 43:26
  Speaker 8: Then, yeah, there's something I just wanted to get into
• 43:29
  kind of real quick.
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: I just want to sorry, it's my show. I was
• 43:32
  just trying to speak. Uh uh. Then I'm just busting
• 43:36
  you boles. Uh.
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: I'm glad you mentioned the Rosicrucians because I wasn't exactly
• 43:41
  sure how far back you were going to go, And
• 43:44
  like Lisa kind of even just touched on it right now.
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: And this is I kind of wanted to go back.
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: To where we were, maybe even a little bit earlier.
• 43:50
  And it's just a thing with with Germany or where
• 43:52
  it was. I can even see you go back to
• 43:56
  the fourteen hundreds. You've got Johannes Trithemaz, You've got Paracelsus,
• 44:00
  and you got Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa out there. Then into
• 44:03
  like the fifteen hundreds you get John d Heinrik Kumrath,
• 44:05
  Michael Maher somebody.
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: We covered too. Uh. He was a was a crucial
• 44:09
  like apologist.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: Then you get like Jacob Boehm, Johannes Andre and I
• 44:16
  think Robert Flubb was out there too.
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: Blah blah blah.
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: You get all these people, You get all these all
• 44:21
  these people out in that like either they were from
• 44:24
  there or they specifically went there. And I'm just wondering,
• 44:28
  is there like something up with Germany in general? Is
• 44:32
  there something to do with the land? Is there a
• 44:34
  different understanding? Because like those people they even mentioned me
• 44:38
  were huge and alchemy.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Because Nick, your your spot on and it helps me
• 44:43
  answer Elle's question because that was a great question too,
• 44:48
  And I yeah, still I'm looking at his Wikipedia page,
• 44:52
  I've never seen him before, but he was a disciple
• 44:54
  of Paracelsus, which was another person in that realm. He
• 44:58
  says they were in Dresd, which was bombed terribly during
• 45:04
  I think World War two. Yeah, so they were trying
• 45:06
  to destroy as much as they could there. I wouldn't
• 45:09
  be surprised if that was a spot. But Prague is
• 45:14
  another big one, although not in Germany today. Back then
• 45:17
  it was a little maybe more accessible, and again, the
• 45:21
  Holy Roman Empire was kind of centered there, so a
• 45:25
  lot of alchemy and this kind of occultism was there.
• 45:28
  But all of this to say again, remember this concept
• 45:33
  of the university and how it sort of was born
• 45:36
  in this melting pot that became Germany, the land area
• 45:42
  that we now know as Germany. There was a legend
• 45:46
  in this region of the school of the Solomandre. And
• 45:50
  I might not be saying that the way the Germans
• 45:52
  would have said it, but essentially this legend was that
• 45:56
  every you know, full moon, once a year, I think
• 46:01
  it would have been maybe on bell Tane around Halloween,
• 46:06
  thirteen men would be recruited into the forests and the
• 46:11
  devil himself would teach them the magical arts, and this
• 46:17
  legend was pervasive for you know, more than a couple centuries.
• 46:22
  It was kind of like a hey, be careful where
• 46:25
  you go in the woods, because there's a school of like,
• 46:28
  you know, wizards and warlocks taught by the devil himself.
• 46:33
  Now we can say, okay, maybe there's some metaphysical portal
• 46:38
  or some kind of supernatural explanation there, or this was
• 46:44
  some sort of offshoot of a much older cult that
• 46:50
  survived the collapse of the Roman Empire. Mithraism was a big,
• 46:55
  you know, the state cult of Rome and had a
• 46:58
  lot of these sort of fortility rituals and other things
• 47:02
  that have made their way into our culture today. The carnival,
• 47:06
  I mean the you know, the fact that we celebrate
• 47:10
  Christmas on what is it, what's the the the the
• 47:15
  Roman holiday where they like thank you Yeprenalia, which again
• 47:21
  connects back to this skull and bones idea and death.
• 47:27
  The Saturn is like the planet of death, and there's
• 47:30
  this kind of concept that you know, we can bring
• 47:35
  the you know Savior back if we all you know,
• 47:38
  destroy the world. This like millennialism concept that a lot
• 47:43
  of extreme Christian sex get into. They get into this
• 47:48
  concept that the apocalypse is happening now, the Armageddon is
• 47:53
  happening now. You know you've seen people, maybe not anymore,
• 47:56
  but I remember growing up, you know, occasionally someone would
• 48:00
  leave a pamphlet on your door or something Jehovah Witness
• 48:04
  or what have you, and it would be like, look
• 48:06
  at the end. Times are happening now, right Sta, Mark, Yes, up.
• 48:11
  Speaker 13: In your area. Up in your area, they have the Millerites.
• 48:14
  And the Millerites were this sect of people who in
• 48:17
  the eighteen forties decided that Jesus was coming back, and
• 48:20
  so they sold all of their stuffs, and when they did,
• 48:24
  they ended up, you know, losing out. Obviously it didn't
• 48:27
  come back, and so they ended up all joining the
• 48:29
  Mormons and moving out to Utah. So I mean, that's
• 48:35
  a that's a pretty good example right there.
• 48:37
  Speaker 9: Well, you brought up something interesting, actually headless a few
• 48:41
  minutes ago about angles. So I actually have three of
• 48:44
  them that I wrote down, because obviously all things that
• 48:47
  arise in materiality arise in time. So Mark also brought
• 48:52
  up Saturn. Saturn is actually not the planet of death, Mark,
• 48:54
  I just want to correct the record on this. Mars
• 48:56
  is really the planet of death. And this is mortruditional
• 49:00
  Vidic understanding. So I wanted to ask you about chronology.
• 49:04
  So this obviously plays off of Lisa's and nixt sort
• 49:08
  of point, because the chronology for what is codified, like
• 49:12
  what you're calling Runic texts, that didn't happen until over
• 49:17
  twelve hundred years after the more we'll say central, we'll
• 49:22
  call them Central Asian texts. So for occultism, what came
• 49:27
  about in Runic language is extremely late in comparison as
• 49:32
  well as the tree Glave of God. So I thought
• 49:35
  this was really interesting to go off Lisa's point of
• 49:37
  the alpha met figure, because there's a Pomeranian deity who
• 49:42
  looks a lot like Shiva. Shiva sometimes depicted with three heads,
• 49:45
  he really has five, but you know, three and saddened
• 49:49
  kind of go together. So yeah, so if you I
• 49:54
  don't know if you know about that. But his cult
• 49:56
  actually only ended in the same time, so like the
• 49:59
  twelve teen hundreds that the Runic texts actually arose. So
• 50:04
  I think that's really interesting. And by this time India
• 50:09
  had fully converted away from the Vidas into the Puranic Hinduism,
• 50:15
  and so that is a rejection of the Vita Kyashna,
• 50:19
  like the horse, eagle, human sacrifice, so all of that
• 50:25
  is rejected and it becomes more about well Bactis a
• 50:29
  little bit later in the seventeen hundreds, but like things
• 50:31
  like that, like it's more ritualistic a little more. It's
• 50:35
  more personal with the deity. It's not so state ritual.
• 50:39
  But I think that also. My last point is is
• 50:43
  about the Arab Renaissance. So this is a contentious issue
• 50:46
  in Central Asian studies simply because the Arabs quote unquote
• 50:51
  who really innovated were actually Mogalized Indians. So the mogalized
• 50:57
  rulers of India during this puronicerd they were the ones
• 51:01
  who were synthesizing the Vedic texts often are not Vedic,
• 51:05
  excuse me, contric texts, chronic astrology texts and the shastras,
• 51:10
  sometimes by way of Iran, but usually by way of
• 51:13
  India and the Himalayas especially. So I just think that's
• 51:17
  really interesting because you mentioned the ruins. Obviously we have
• 51:19
  this idea and sounds great of the jas the seed
• 51:22
  syllables Kabala has the sufferer of their negative space, so
• 51:25
  it's it's like the unmanifest sound.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Well, and that reminds me of well, and I should
• 51:33
  say thank you, because I just learned a few things
• 51:36
  there for sure, and now I didn't know some of that.
• 51:40
  I think I'm doing my best to paint more of
• 51:43
  a broad strokes of the history so people can have
• 51:47
  some more you know, key concepts to then do their
• 51:51
  own research and verify the things that I'm saying, because
• 51:55
  you know, it's not all perfect. I don't have a
• 51:57
  degree in this. I'm sure an academic would probably laugh
• 52:02
  at what I'm saying, but either way, yeah, very interesting point.
• 52:06
  And I think Germany or this region that became known
• 52:10
  as Germany, was very much in this auspicious area where
• 52:17
  it could garner that influence from you know, that part
• 52:22
  of the world, the Asia, Central Asia and beyond, before
• 52:27
  the rest of Western Europe could. And because of that,
• 52:30
  you see this what we now think of as like
• 52:33
  the when Eastern mysticism starts to filter into European culture
• 52:38
  and really you know, creates what then becomes in some
• 52:45
  ways the proto New Age, right, this theosophy movement where
• 52:51
  people are kind of blending things from different religions and
• 52:56
  supernatural belief systems together into this. Sorry, there's some bikers
• 53:02
  across the street interrupting me. So there's a lot going
• 53:07
  on in this whole conversation. So any clarifications that any
• 53:11
  of you have are welcome from me.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: Well, Mark, I just wanted to ask a question because
• 53:17
  I might be wrong here, because I see we've been
• 53:19
  talking about Germanic occultism and I haven't heard a word
• 53:25
  about the Norse. So it all starts there. So about
• 53:29
  five hundred PC maybe earlier still, so they expanded all
• 53:34
  the way into Russia. They had trade routes going back
• 53:37
  and forward. They assimilated and produced most of their mythology
• 53:41
  into the into the Russian vice versa. So and the
• 53:44
  Ruins were born there, so they're in the Norse area.
• 53:49
  So how how do you relate all of this? Like
• 53:53
  Ig Dressel, that's brag.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm glad you raised that point because I
• 54:01
  did mention it, but I probably just glossed over it.
• 54:05
  But that is the foundation of what we consider now
• 54:09
  paganism in this area. Right nowadays, it's just kind of
• 54:13
  glossed over. Ah, they were pagans, But you're right, it
• 54:16
  was a Nordic fusion of the Really, the basis was
• 54:21
  this Nordic ideology, and as it moved south, you know,
• 54:26
  things got added into it, right, The Roman Greek cultures
• 54:30
  sort of fused with this. But these guys that we
• 54:33
  think of as Teutonic knights, I mean, if you were
• 54:36
  to put them in a lineup, you might think they
• 54:40
  were vikings because of the way they dressed the weapons.
• 54:43
  So yeah, the cultural influences and connections were definitely there.
• 54:47
  It was the southern extent of that Nordic culture, so absolutely,
• 54:52
  but it was very much influenced by the moving eastward
• 54:56
  and westward in that part of Germany or now now Germany,
• 55:02
  whereas Scandinavia was much more isolated, right, so their culture
• 55:08
  still retains a lot of that, whereas was confused and
• 55:13
  gold and it was diffused into the oh yeah it's
• 55:16
  very cold, Yeah, absolutely, but it was more so diffused
• 55:20
  into you know what happened as things changed throughout you know,
• 55:26
  what became the Industrial Revolution, World Wars. I mean, one
• 55:32
  of them still an anarchy, so not much has changed
• 55:36
  up there.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: So how do you associate the fact that some organizations
• 55:41
  that we I don't know the name at least you
• 55:44
  might know that used elements like Saint Germain for instance,
• 55:49
  to reorganize the whole Central Europe into new kingdoms, new kings,
• 55:55
  uh new rules, deposing great kings and sitating by new kings,
• 56:02
  and reorganizing Germany as we see it today, much earlier
• 56:05
  than the First World War. How do you see that?
• 56:10
  Who to you was behind the scenes and controlling these
• 56:13
  real agents, not like zero zero seiling, but real agents
• 56:16
  on the field that were dominating this scenario.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the people of this portion of Europe
• 56:25
  had some catching up to do in a sense, right,
• 56:29
  because as the great Pilgrims left Europe and went to
• 56:34
  America and the revolution happened. You know, obviously Freemason, these
• 56:40
  occult Freemasonry and these occult groups had made their way
• 56:44
  all across Europe by then, but they have their origins
• 56:47
  in this area, right, So the people in this area,
• 56:52
  after all these wars going on, I mean the nineteenth century,
• 56:55
  in the eighteenth century, there are a lot of wars
• 56:58
  in Europe going on different periods with different factions of people.
• 57:03
  And through all this upheaval you have the American Revolution
• 57:07
  that happens before that, you have what happens in England
• 57:10
  where you know, they they create the parliament and so on,
• 57:14
  and so forth, the monarchy comes back, right, the French,
• 57:19
  they decapitate their monarchy. You know, they have a revolution.
• 57:23
  So this type of thinking, this kind of idea like
• 57:27
  we should you know, change things, and and and you know,
• 57:31
  in a radical way, this was looming on this area,
• 57:35
  which was obviously a source of anxiety for the powers
• 57:39
  that be, these smaller in comparison to France and the
• 57:43
  United States and the United Kingdom. I don't know that
• 57:46
  it was called that then yet, but England, you know,
• 57:51
  they were smaller in comparison, and you Knowsia wasn't that big,
• 57:57
  so right, well, and there's this revolutionary sentiment going on
• 58:03
  that's changing the whole world. So you have this balance
• 58:07
  of you have some groups who are trying to again
• 58:11
  kind of secretly keep the old world establishment influential, while
• 58:16
  at the same time trying to figure out what to
• 58:18
  do with all these revolutionaries. And some people would argue
• 58:21
  that some of the subsequent revolutions that affected you know,
• 58:25
  Russia in a major way, Germany in a major way,
• 58:29
  were artificially, you know, sort of fomented by you know,
• 58:35
  people on the perimeter, not necessarily the countries that ultimately
• 58:40
  fell victim to these cultural movements. It's very hard to
• 58:44
  pin down. It's very murky. That's why the idea of
• 58:47
  the Illuminati is so pervasive. If I had to answer
• 58:51
  your question as precisely as I could, I would look
• 58:56
  to the University of Ingolstad. I would look to the
• 59:01
  players in Berlin at the time around you know, this
• 59:07
  very crucial time period where again they're sort of reacting
• 59:11
  to what's going on in America and France and they're like,
• 59:15
  all right, what are we going to do? And the
• 59:17
  Illuminati has created it was a short lived venture.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Of Louis fourteen and Louis fifteen, so against Belgium, against England,
• 59:25
  the reorganization of Prussia into into Germany, pro pro proto country,
• 59:32
  the elimination of kings. This is much earlier than that,
• 59:35
  so it precedes all that these organizations were already on
• 59:38
  the field programming what we have today. Let's put it
• 59:42
  this way. So I was just curious if you have
• 59:44
  a name for that organization, because that that has eluded
• 59:47
  me on my research.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: No, No, and that you might have a lot more
• 59:53
  to offer in this topic than I do, because you know,
• 59:57
  I'm going into this trying to figure out you know,
• 1:00:00
  what's going on with skull and Bones? And then I
• 1:00:02
  run into you know, like I said, this dump truck
• 1:00:05
  of information that is a cult Germany. So yeah, there's
• 1:00:09
  a lot and I don't know it.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: I didn't want to starry.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, go ahead.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 13: It should be pointed out though, that in World War
• 1:00:18
  One the Europe wiped out nine out of ten of
• 1:00:21
  their aristocrats, so it was severely limited by the time
• 1:00:26
  that World War Two came around and they didn't really
• 1:00:28
  have any of that kind of leadership, so they were
• 1:00:30
  all looking for a new leader.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: And this kind of brings me to maybe answer Ricardo's
• 1:00:35
  question a little bit better too. Not my own work
• 1:00:39
  or research, but I recently was listening to Joe atwill
• 1:00:43
  talk on the Higher Side Chats, and I believe in
• 1:00:47
  this conversation he mentioned that by the time of World
• 1:00:52
  War One, most of the monarchs in Europe were related
• 1:00:57
  in some way to Queen Victoria, and Queen Victoria was
• 1:01:02
  the German infiltration of the English monarchy in many ways,
• 1:01:07
  though you have the again, those powers that be were
• 1:01:11
  stressed out in the revolutionary time. They're like, what are
• 1:01:13
  we gonna do? Where are we gonna go? We create
• 1:01:15
  these sort of secret societies and you sort of see
• 1:01:20
  them behind the scenes amalgamate their powers into these nations
• 1:01:24
  that then become these groups that you know, I think
• 1:01:27
  might be best named as the builder Burghs. Right, if
• 1:01:31
  we're talking about Europe, I mean the builder Burgs would
• 1:01:34
  probably be the people that are retaining the bloodline. That's
• 1:01:39
  I mean a little bit of a cop out because
• 1:01:41
  I haven't researched that myself to the omph degree. But yeah,
• 1:01:47
  it's a it's a strange web of history. But I
• 1:01:51
  think when you look at England and that age of imperialism,
• 1:01:56
  there's a strong German connection. Even in America. A lot
• 1:01:59
  of the industry in America was done by German immigrants.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: That's where the Vladdy Vladi Impaler that whole.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: Right, grandpe and of Prince Charles, right, so Grandpa and
• 1:02:15
  no uncle, grandparent uncle off Prince.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: Charles through the Germanic bloodline, right, Okay, they were all Germanic,
• 1:02:23
  so right right, right, Okay, So.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: I was going to say, when you get into this
• 1:02:28
  whole prehistory of kind of Germania, you also get within
• 1:02:35
  the Balder worship of Baalder the Beautiful, you have the
• 1:02:39
  fire festivals that generally took place on June twenty third,
• 1:02:43
  and they would roll these wagon wheels on fire down
• 1:02:45
  the down the hills and they would have all these
• 1:02:49
  This is where we get the maypole and the hedge king,
• 1:02:53
  where basically they would bake the bread like you get
• 1:02:56
  at Marty Grass that has the little baby in it,
• 1:02:59
  and whoever gets to the baby is the king for
• 1:03:01
  the day, and they would basically, you know, treat this
• 1:03:04
  person extravagantly, give him the greatest food, the best drinks,
• 1:03:08
  all the women, and then at the end of the
• 1:03:10
  day he would be the sacrifice that they would basically
• 1:03:13
  for the fertility of the coming grow season. And and
• 1:03:18
  then when you go later and you get into like
• 1:03:21
  the vulk of you know, the Nazis, they're kind of
• 1:03:24
  harkening back to this this time. But the as far
• 1:03:28
  as the people kind of behind the scenes that were
• 1:03:32
  very much building the sacred spaces, they were the Zimmerman,
• 1:03:36
  which were equivalent to the cathedral builders. So you have
• 1:03:39
  this whole school of mystics that are kind of creating
• 1:03:43
  these woodland type elven structures that look, you know, Mark,
• 1:03:49
  go ahead.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 13: Mark, Robbie, I just gotta throw this in there. So
• 1:03:53
  what you're talking about is bell tank. That's the that's
• 1:03:57
  the feat that's made first. Yeah, bail tang, that's where
• 1:04:03
  it because in the in the Bronze Age, the Phoenicians
• 1:04:11
  had to get their uh their tin from England, so
• 1:04:16
  they had a connection all the way back there. So
• 1:04:19
  all of this stuff coming out of there you go
• 1:04:21
  b later on, all of this stuff comes through that
• 1:04:26
  uh that Carthaginian slash. And again you were just talking
• 1:04:29
  about these uh, these builders. That's Biblos. That's one of
• 1:04:33
  the main cities of Phoenicia.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: And that's where the gibb them were that King Hiram
• 1:04:40
  called up to go work on Solomon simple.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 13: The mighty men right all in there, and if you
• 1:04:45
  go to Irish mythology, it's all right there.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: They've almost got the Yeah, like you were talking.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: About, back to ham basically.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Forgive me, I'm in really quickly. But toom back to
• 1:05:00
  my point that I think Germany and Mark, I think
• 1:05:05
  this is extremely important research. I genuinely believe that, and
• 1:05:10
  so the German cultism research that you're presenting today I
• 1:05:12
  think is extremely important talked about and discussed because Germany
• 1:05:17
  was not just the layover between you know England to
• 1:05:22
  Austria to go visit Rudolph, who was a patron of
• 1:05:26
  all of the mystics and occultists, and I think he
• 1:05:29
  kind of collected them all there. When you look at
• 1:05:33
  some of the most influential occultist mystics alchemists across the board,
• 1:05:39
  they are German, they are from Germany, they were educated
• 1:05:43
  in Germany. And then you look at the inventors, you
• 1:05:48
  look at the people that have come up with physics,
• 1:05:51
  particle physics, quantum physics, extreme theory.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you're making that point because that's what I've
• 1:05:59
  found with Yale University too, in a microcosm kind of way.
• 1:06:03
  And I just talked to somebody today about Rudolph Diesel,
• 1:06:07
  another German who I don't think he was actually raised
• 1:06:13
  in Germany, but yeah, very interesting character. Sorry to interrupt
• 1:06:18
  you out. Yeah, I'm just not at all.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: But how influential not only their physics throughout the world
• 1:06:26
  and throughout history, but their mathematics, but their chemistry.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I was excited to go back to the mask
• 1:06:31
  that we've got Germany.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: And it is almost sadly to say the measuring stick
• 1:06:39
  yea of influence globally.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: It is no coincidence that the Dresden Dresden Library is
• 1:06:48
  perhaps one of the few that can compete with the
• 1:06:50
  Vatican Library. And they have a collection of restricts books
• 1:06:55
  that are exposed in a a large structure in the
• 1:06:59
  middle of the building and protected by glass and temperate
• 1:07:03
  and so.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: It interesting contains all the courtses.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the resident they burned to the ground, they said
• 1:07:10
  the fire was hotter than the sun, than the surface
• 1:07:12
  of the sun in those those mass bombings.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: Sure, look, they just eliminated all the dissidents within their
• 1:07:23
  bloodlines and those that they considered that were bustards are
• 1:07:26
  not pure, and they concentrated all this bloodline into one
• 1:07:31
  single group and then spread it all over Europe to
• 1:07:34
  regain control to one single bloodline because it has been
• 1:07:39
  spreading from chieftains and warlords and whatnot. So that's why
• 1:07:46
  they took all the measures they could to eliminate everyone
• 1:07:50
  and especially those that were not in agreement with this
• 1:07:53
  group that no one knows the name, that had these
• 1:07:56
  agents in the field to reorganize the history of Europe,
• 1:08:01
  and that is what they were doing. Yeah, Casanova was
• 1:08:04
  one of them.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: So it was it was a huge threat to Europe
• 1:08:09
  itself as far as just the rise, and then you
• 1:08:13
  get into the Kaiser and the size of his army
• 1:08:15
  and the fact that they said that when he told
• 1:08:18
  his army to start marching, if he immediately gave the
• 1:08:21
  order to stop, it would take two weeks once the
• 1:08:24
  machine started turning.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 14: You know.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: It's it's just the immensity of this thing that Europe
• 1:08:31
  was very, very threatened by.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: Sure, But it was all connected somehow, because we know
• 1:08:36
  that individuals like I repeat Sanchama and Giacomo that is
• 1:08:42
  more common commonly known as Casanova. They they their studies
• 1:08:47
  went all over the place to study with is mystics.
• 1:08:50
  And this this enlightened people inclusively into the library of
• 1:08:55
  the Vatican when we noticed because Casanova told the Pope, look,
• 1:09:00
  I like this stuff and all, but please don't make
• 1:09:03
  me go there because I'm not interested in reading anything
• 1:09:06
  of that. He was more interested in woman and stuff.
• 1:09:09
  But he played his part. But they all go into
• 1:09:13
  all these places. So to say that the Vatican was
• 1:09:15
  against these groups is not correct, because they they went
• 1:09:19
  all over the place. It's all all for show, basically,
• 1:09:22
  because these associations were infiltrated everywhere.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, the.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: People often point at the Jesuits as a big you know,
• 1:09:32
  boogie man.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's a black Hope still still in
• 1:09:36
  charge the Vatican.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: I think that's that's a well aimed, you know, claim that,
• 1:09:41
  you know, the Jesuits might be behind some of that.
• 1:09:44
  The University of Ingolstad is where I believe the Jesuits
• 1:09:48
  were formed or or or game Steam, and that was
• 1:09:53
  in Germany. But yeah, Saint Germaine's an interesting character. I
• 1:09:57
  just had a guy on my podcast who his grandparents
• 1:10:02
  when he was a kid, told him that, you know,
• 1:10:04
  one day, this Saint Germaine character is going to be
• 1:10:07
  very important to you. And then he later learns that
• 1:10:10
  as he got older, he learns that in his family,
• 1:10:14
  somebody he was related to was a Freemason at the
• 1:10:17
  lodge in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and there they had Saint
• 1:10:22
  Germain's Triangular Manuscript. And this is literally a triangular shaped
• 1:10:29
  book and it's written.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: I haven't If anyone wants it, I can share it.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wow, Okay, do you have your own copy?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: No, I have a pretty good scan of the original.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, please send that to me. I'll send
• 1:10:42
  you my email in the chat. But yeah, I talked
• 1:10:45
  to the guy who basically deciphered it and then published
• 1:10:49
  it in some form through or boards press. So there's
• 1:10:53
  copies of it out there. It's not available anymore, but
• 1:10:58
  I'm sure there's a digital copy too. But yeah, it's
• 1:11:01
  fascinating because one of the aspects of this triangular manuscript
• 1:11:05
  is that it tells you how to become wealthy, and
• 1:11:08
  it might even tell you how to become immortal. Right,
• 1:11:12
  because that's the legend. He could live a life or
• 1:11:17
  maybe even control his reincarnation. Right, That's what I say.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: Sat Chairman once told Louis the Fifth the fourteen that
• 1:11:27
  people often say that I'm six hundred years old, and
• 1:11:31
  I like to hear they say those ridiculous things. But
• 1:11:35
  in truth, I'm much older than I look. And I
• 1:11:39
  can also tell you this. It is not a normal person,
• 1:11:43
  because he did it many times in public, to write
• 1:11:46
  a love letter with his right hand and to write
• 1:11:53
  a treaty on alchemy with his left hand. Or he
• 1:11:57
  would write with his both friends the exactly same thing,
• 1:12:00
  and when they put it to candlelight, you could not
• 1:12:03
  say which one was made by which one you cannot
• 1:12:06
  distinguish it. He's spoken more than fifty languages, you know,
• 1:12:11
  including Chinese, Arab native languages that were very few people knew.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 11: He could appear.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: Sorry, go on, it wasn't.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 11: He also said to be psychic and would would tell people,
• 1:12:26
  you know, there are things that are about them that
• 1:12:29
  they weren't he wasn't supposed to know.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: Look, he managed to influence kings because he was not
• 1:12:38
  a fraud as most people sent. Because, for instance, the
• 1:12:43
  father I think the father of I did this paper
• 1:12:47
  long ago, so I might not be thinking it right.
• 1:12:49
  But he used to go to the palace and to
• 1:12:53
  either to Louis I think it's the father of Louis
• 1:12:56
  fourteen or Louis fourteen, I'm not sure. But he demonstrated
• 1:13:00
  we transmuted anything that anyone gave him into gold into
• 1:13:05
  a quickly prepared lab. So they give him vast areas
• 1:13:10
  for him to be his state or his lab. Everyone
• 1:13:14
  wanted it. So he was speaking at the same time
• 1:13:18
  with two parties that were at war one another, and
• 1:13:21
  he was freely going from one country to another, which
• 1:13:24
  was not possible for instance.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 11: So it's interesting a stream of the conversation and of
• 1:13:30
  course of the occult is the power of the mind
• 1:13:34
  and telepathy and with the World War two phenomena of
• 1:13:38
  them trying to influence each other in the outcomes of
• 1:13:41
  the battle.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: This is in double O seven.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 11: Of course we get from John d who was very
• 1:13:49
  much psychic figure and Odin. Of course, one could argue
• 1:13:56
  that a big part of Adonism would be psychic phenomena
• 1:14:01
  using the mind, the third eye whole thing. And and Lisa,
• 1:14:06
  when you brought up the idea of them also studying
• 1:14:11
  the space time continuum and so forth, and the site
• 1:14:16
  high end physics, it reminds me of all that power
• 1:14:20
  of the mind too. But also we see that that
• 1:14:25
  really in the Cold War they were using the whole
• 1:14:28
  remote viewing groups and people to engage in espionage and
• 1:14:35
  information and who knows what all else they're doing now
• 1:14:38
  with the you know, different technological features fused with the mind.
• 1:14:44
  So it's really interesting this stream psychic telepathic power and
• 1:14:50
  even and sometimes this exceptional mental performance is really seems
• 1:14:55
  to be a part of all these groups.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: You'd like to focus on that the Germans helped us
• 1:15:01
  develop our aeronautics or our physics. We also have to
• 1:15:05
  remember that Russia also took key players from Germany as well,
• 1:15:10
  and so developing their physics, their aeronautics, their space program,
• 1:15:16
  and so it again the influence, you know, it goes
• 1:15:21
  across the board. And the other thing that I want
• 1:15:23
  to say, it wasn't just Oppenheimer that had the technology
• 1:15:27
  for the Adam bomb. Heisenberg also knew it. He told
• 1:15:30
  me was he knew it. It just Hitler didn't want
• 1:15:33
  to do the Jews science, so he didn't let him
• 1:15:36
  build it. So that's the only reason that they didn't
• 1:15:39
  have that like we did.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: But he knew it.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: He was his right hand scientist, so they knew and
• 1:15:46
  Oppenheimer was Germans. So I mean, well, they were.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 13: Doing it through heavy water instead of doing it through uranium,
• 1:15:52
  so I think that was the difference. But they were
• 1:15:53
  still right about the heavy water because that's what the
• 1:15:56
  Adam or the h bombs are.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: So to the point of the amount of intelligence, and
• 1:16:03
  not to say they're superior race by no means, I'm
• 1:16:05
  not saying that, but the amount of intelligence was coming
• 1:16:08
  out of Germany from the occult side, from the historical,
• 1:16:13
  occult mystical side, is extremely influential in later secret societies.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: So yeah, Now when you look at Gerta as far
• 1:16:25
  as I mean he was said to be a member
• 1:16:27
  of the Illuminati, but as far as just his his
• 1:16:32
  stories that he wrote the Mickey Mouse, as far as
• 1:16:35
  the Magician's Apprentice, that's a Girta story, the Faust, as
• 1:16:40
  far as the and he gets into homunculuses and he
• 1:16:43
  wrote the first story.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Wow, yes, I'm the reminder on that and that just
• 1:16:51
  while we're here, thank you for bringing this up again
• 1:16:53
  because I wanted to mention this before. But this whole
• 1:16:56
  concept of selling your soul to the devil or sort
• 1:17:00
  of material gain, this is like the major takes away,
• 1:17:06
  you know.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: But who has this devil? Who was in the middle
• 1:17:08
  of the woods and and and he's everywhere? Who is
• 1:17:11
  this devil? Is it a name? Just for normal people?
• 1:17:15
  Say ooh that's bad and that don't go there?
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 12: Is it?
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 7: Is it the green?
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: And I think the point is like they're thumbing their
• 1:17:27
  nose at the uninitiated, Like for the uninitiated, Halloween is
• 1:17:31
  scary and and oh no so much fright and blood
• 1:17:36
  and gore Halloween movies. But for the initiated, it's another
• 1:17:39
  holiday that you know, who'sts their abundance and allows them
• 1:17:44
  to participate in you know, however, they see the world
• 1:17:48
  in the morning.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: According to Randall Carson, uh the Halloween has his All
• 1:17:55
  Saints Day or the Day of the Dead has his
• 1:17:58
  basis on the younger. So it was an extermination of
• 1:18:04
  most of mankind and it's kept his memory, although it
• 1:18:08
  changed his format and its name, but it still reminds
• 1:18:12
  us the Day of the Dead. It was the time
• 1:18:13
  when most people lost everyone, let's put it that way.
• 1:18:17
  So it might be also connected to that.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: That yeah, that that point great, But on the larger
• 1:18:25
  point of of you know, what occultism means to the
• 1:18:29
  general public versus what it means to the or the
• 1:18:35
  people who we speculate about on podcasts like this. You know,
• 1:18:39
  I think again, like the power players, the types of
• 1:18:42
  people who send their children to Yale and then do
• 1:18:45
  well and go on to do well in life in
• 1:18:48
  these realms, they're initiated into this understanding. I think there's
• 1:18:54
  you know, universal aspects to it in the sense that
• 1:18:58
  they kind of they they're like Crowley, right, if you
• 1:19:02
  learn about Crowley, you know, he kind of took from
• 1:19:04
  all these different things and was trying to find the
• 1:19:07
  truth all of it. It was kind of a galitarian
• 1:19:11
  in that sense. Obviously there was a lot of things.
• 1:19:14
  You converted some of it probably they were wrong, and yeah,
• 1:19:18
  subverted it. But of course he saw the like the
• 1:19:22
  universalism and a lot of these things. And I think
• 1:19:25
  that's kind of how the elites play it today. Like
• 1:19:28
  they're economical in the sense that they know it works.
• 1:19:33
  They don't care if they need tai chi or Teutonic
• 1:19:37
  magic or shamanism to do it. They know it works.
• 1:19:41
  And if they can use that against people who don't
• 1:19:44
  know it works, or even better laugh at the idea
• 1:19:47
  that it works. Well, now they're in kind of a
• 1:19:49
  cushy situation where you know, again they send their kids
• 1:19:53
  to the right education where these ideas are maybe entrained
• 1:19:58
  in them in subtle ways, whereas for the public people
• 1:20:02
  like myself went to public school, the opposite is true,
• 1:20:06
  you know, in most cases, where they sort of entrain
• 1:20:08
  you to laugh at these sort of things and to
• 1:20:10
  think in a material reductionist sort of way. Yeah, this
• 1:20:14
  Prussian system, so there's roots in this European area. Again,
• 1:20:19
  German occultism is probably like a loose, you know, way
• 1:20:23
  to describe it, but I think, yeah, there's very much
• 1:20:27
  through Yale University in America a German influence that you
• 1:20:33
  know when you when you consider yourself a conspiracy theorist,
• 1:20:36
  and then you look at it, you're kind of like, wow,
• 1:20:38
  how does it all go back to this one place?
• 1:20:40
  And I think that's because Germany is very much like
• 1:20:43
  the United States in the sense that it's a new country.
• 1:20:46
  It's a new place, and a lot of people immigrated
• 1:20:48
  there at a key point in European history, so it
• 1:20:52
  became these powerlts.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 13: My director Mark, if I can comment on that migratory
• 1:20:58
  pattern that was all do to the close relationship that
• 1:21:01
  the United States had with Germany going back into the
• 1:21:04
  eighteen fifties, because the number one migrant from Europe into
• 1:21:11
  America was German for a long long period of time.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: My last name Irish. I go back to one of
• 1:21:19
  the first waves of German people to go into America
• 1:21:23
  and then Benjamin Franklin like shipped a bunch of them
• 1:21:26
  up to Canada and they became French Canadians.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 13: So if you look at a demographic map of the
• 1:21:33
  United States, you see that the entire middle portion would
• 1:21:36
  all be Germanic people and so on the very little
• 1:21:39
  outside you've got the New England people, and then there's
• 1:21:42
  a big blotch of New England people out in Utah,
• 1:21:46
  because that was the migration pattern during that whole trip
• 1:21:49
  out there, is they came from New York and then
• 1:21:52
  deposited out there. So it's kind of funny how you
• 1:21:54
  could track the instrum on.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: The point of Germany and that area in particular. Things
• 1:22:01
  had changed in a significant way in these periods leading
• 1:22:05
  up to World War One and people were moving into
• 1:22:09
  cities more and more. Right, so the cities in Germany
• 1:22:12
  really flourished, and that to at least this earlier point.
• 1:22:16
  That's where you see these intellectual centers phlossoming. And it's
• 1:22:20
  not that there's a superiority there, it's that there was
• 1:22:23
  a convenience for these people to go to these places
• 1:22:26
  and then they became you know, like the way we
• 1:22:29
  talked about Silicon Valley with tech today, like it's a
• 1:22:32
  it's a hotbed types.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 6: So people have well around the Rhyan River right there,
• 1:22:37
  there was a major trade route that came through, so
• 1:22:39
  you have a huge accumulation of these merchants that are
• 1:22:43
  settling in almost this protected zone that kind of like
• 1:22:47
  really allowed it to you know, grow, and a lot
• 1:22:50
  of these ideas to filment and come about.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a really great author who I've interviewed
• 1:22:56
  a couple of times on my podcast who has these
• 1:23:00
  great maps of the entire world and he uses rivers
• 1:23:05
  and studies the geometry of rivers and to your point,
• 1:23:10
  you know, rivers are where humans congregate, but you can
• 1:23:13
  learn a lot about just the energetic patterns of culture
• 1:23:18
  and how things flow. To your point, Eddless giant about
• 1:23:22
  you know, the way people move on the earth through rivers.
• 1:23:25
  And yeah, I encourage anyone to look at Peter Shampoo's
• 1:23:28
  work if you're interested in in lay lines or just
• 1:23:34
  the energy centers of the land masses, because rivers in
• 1:23:38
  particular play a huge role, and not just in the
• 1:23:42
  economical and practical functions. Like in America, the heart and
• 1:23:48
  soul of the East Coast is the Susquehanna River, which
• 1:23:52
  bleeds out into what becomes like the cape there or
• 1:23:58
  I'm sorry the blanking on it, but where Washington, DC
• 1:24:02
  is Chesapeake Bay and yeah, that Chesapeake Bay, Susquehanna River,
• 1:24:07
  These are ubiquitous the modern computer in many ways was
• 1:24:11
  developed in army labs on the Susquehanna River and nuclear
• 1:24:16
  power plants there. I mean, all the different things that
• 1:24:19
  have developed along that river. You can really learn about
• 1:24:23
  America just by studying that one place. And the same
• 1:24:26
  is true for the Rhine the sin. You know, any
• 1:24:30
  river that that is major city is going to have
• 1:24:34
  a story like that. And that's kind of one of
• 1:24:38
  the other topics that I wanted to bring up, not
• 1:24:41
  that we have time to get into it today, but
• 1:24:43
  Nick asked me like, hey, what would you want to
• 1:24:45
  talk about? And I threw three unconnected topics out there,
• 1:24:49
  and one of them was forming occultism and the sort
• 1:24:55
  of non I forget how I labeled it, but it's
• 1:24:58
  like psycho geography in a way. And and I think
• 1:25:03
  that you're going to have to come back on Yeah,
• 1:25:06
  I'd love to. This is great, I mean not, but
• 1:25:09
  you guys are all awesome. So I appreciate the quick
• 1:25:13
  things to touch on. Mark.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: So one, you said the term earlier we're talking about Nazis.
• 1:25:18
  You know that word ash ash ash Karannazi, right, uh?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 12: And when you think about how you know, certain people
• 1:25:26
  have controlled Yeah, all sides of every war since all
• 1:25:32
  the way back to Napoleon or probably farther back.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: But uh, and even when you go and read.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: Initiates of the Flame on like a PDF, you see
• 1:25:44
  the swastika.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: And the star David on the same page. So you know,
• 1:25:50
  beget into.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 12: Exte the light in the dark, how Samio is necessary evil.
• 1:25:56
  But also Himmler had a castle. Yeah, and Michael, he's
• 1:26:02
  on video and he's like, here is Heinrich Himmler's dagger.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 12: I have a couple of his books, and it's like,
• 1:26:09
  this guy is in charge of our military, you know
• 1:26:12
  what I mean?
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: Just saying so well with Michael, not Michael Keno, but
• 1:26:18
  who was it you were talking about there that he
• 1:26:19
  has the swords? Uh, Henrik Kimler, right Himler has Yeah.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: If you go and you read.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 6: Himmler's works, he talks about how they crushed Prussia and
• 1:26:33
  it's all related around the story of snow White. And
• 1:26:36
  he talks about first they brought the girdle in, which
• 1:26:38
  were the tariffs and the taxes, and then the poison
• 1:26:41
  apple was when they brought the banking system in, and
• 1:26:45
  that's you know, yeahs a whole snow White analogy of
• 1:26:51
  the international banking system and how they basically crushed Prussia.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 10: I was actually gonna say something kind of along those lines.
• 1:27:00
  And I'm a big nerd about this kind of stuff,
• 1:27:03
  but I always compare everything to like movies, So just
• 1:27:07
  bear with me. But doesn't this story about like going
• 1:27:10
  all the way back about like the occultism and the
• 1:27:13
  ruins and stuff. It reminds me of that Captain America
• 1:27:16
  movie where they're looking for the TESTSA Act and they
• 1:27:20
  it's basically like Nazi stuff, right, yeah, And they also
• 1:27:24
  put a bunch of like project paper Clip stuff in there,
• 1:27:28
  but it's like they have to go all the way
• 1:27:30
  back to this like mausoleum thing and it's got runs
• 1:27:34
  in the tree of Life, and then they have to
• 1:27:36
  have this pass code and then they get the TESTSA
• 1:27:39
  Act and then like all the stuff with Captain America
• 1:27:42
  and the Red Skull is basically like Hitler or whatever.
• 1:27:45
  But they make this stuff so fantastical that when you
• 1:27:49
  learn about the reality of it, you're like, oh, well,
• 1:27:52
  that's some shit I saw in like a Marvel movie
• 1:27:55
  that's not like but it's all based on like the
• 1:27:58
  reality of things. I think they're there are a lot
• 1:28:00
  of Marvel movies. There's one in particular, I think it's
• 1:28:03
  an Iron Man one where it's like the nine to
• 1:28:07
  eleven stuff in the terrorists and like you know, they
• 1:28:11
  are always putting just a little bit of our.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: Truth, truth, truth. Yeah, yeah, into that.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to say, that's what it reminded
• 1:28:20
  me of.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 6: Ye.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, there's.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 11: In World War Two there were factions that were against
• 1:28:30
  each other overtly but actually have the same kind of
• 1:28:36
  end result that they were seeking. The Zionists wanted a
• 1:28:40
  new homeland and the Germans wanted to get every Jew
• 1:28:44
  into one place. So at the end of World War two,
• 1:28:49
  at least there were elements on both sides that kind
• 1:28:54
  of wanted the same thing. And you'll please go ahead.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 6: Oh, I was going to say, they actually minted a coin.
• 1:29:01
  It was an agreement that they had with Israel and
• 1:29:04
  they were paying for the family and their entire estate
• 1:29:07
  to move to Israel. I can't remember the agreement. Yeah,
• 1:29:13
  but Himler actually minted a coin that has the swastika
• 1:29:16
  on one side and the Star of Refresh of the
• 1:29:19
  Star of as design is called the Star.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 5: The Schedule of Solomon basically well.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: According to Yeah, if you go back further, it's the
• 1:29:28
  five pointed star, there's a lot of the pentacle.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, man, you got to get back I mean Nina, Yeah, I.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Know what you mean.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 11: There were two different spellings of National Socialists Nazi also,
• 1:29:46
  and there's said to be relationship to that with the one.
• 1:29:50
  One version was n A s I.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: So the Nasi. Yeah, the Na s I is actually
• 1:29:56
  the high priest of the Sanhedrin. So which is I
• 1:30:01
  find interesting?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: Well, in essence, I would say that they controlled not
• 1:30:05
  only the developer of nations and the map, but they
• 1:30:08
  also control the development of technology and then give it
• 1:30:12
  to those that they thought that they should be. For instance,
• 1:30:16
  just to finish a particular part of the end of
• 1:30:19
  life of c. Germain, he was found in the city
• 1:30:22
  of Tournay, that was one of the last known Merovingian cities.
• 1:30:26
  That was a star forth and we find him. They're
• 1:30:31
  dressed as a wizard. So in the seventeenth century, which
• 1:30:34
  was not very normal, and what he was developing. He
• 1:30:38
  was developing the new alchemical And if you go to
• 1:30:43
  German and read how they dominated the fabrication of hats,
• 1:30:47
  because at that time they were trying to find a
• 1:30:49
  way to produce hats of high quality and durability and
• 1:30:53
  so on. And this was an alchemical process that produced it,
• 1:30:56
  and I believe it was center Man that developed and
• 1:30:58
  then delivered them to the Germans, and that allowed a
• 1:31:03
  huge amount of money to enter in that country. So
• 1:31:06
  even these small details were also dictated by these people
• 1:31:10
  and their organizations. So did they control everything from the
• 1:31:13
  little seed that was put in the grounds to whatever
• 1:31:17
  was ruling the game?
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something you just reminded me of Ricardo and to
• 1:31:23
  that point, you know, we might not think about this
• 1:31:26
  today much in our multi colored worlds, but Saint Germain
• 1:31:31
  was a genius when it came to dies and that
• 1:31:36
  was one of the main things he used the alchemical
• 1:31:39
  knowledge for with dying fabrics, which at the time, if
• 1:31:43
  they only had a very limited palette to work with,
• 1:31:46
  and if you had something like purple, oh my god,
• 1:31:49
  like the Kings would pay you know out, you know,
• 1:31:54
  up the wazoo to put it politely for purple or
• 1:31:57
  anything that can show that, Oh this guy's literally like
• 1:32:00
  connected to God. Look how he's got purple? Like, where
• 1:32:04
  else do you see that other than an eggplant?
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: So, I think the all of that kind of stuff, right, So, yeah,
• 1:32:14
  that that's something that's kind of we think about it
• 1:32:17
  today like colors, you know, big deal, but yeah, back
• 1:32:20
  then it's you know a huge change. Like for for
• 1:32:24
  the times, people were probably only wearing like cotton colored,
• 1:32:28
  like pale pale white brown leather like that, you know,
• 1:32:33
  red because you could use blood as a dye. But
• 1:32:36
  that's about it, you know.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 8: Uh, something I wanted to, I guess get into because
• 1:32:43
  I don't have to wrap it up eventually it's going
• 1:32:44
  to leave you one. But uh, something I didn't want
• 1:32:47
  to make a point on. I think when it does
• 1:32:49
  also come to you know, dramatic ocultism. When I had like,
• 1:32:53
  you know, not to bring these people up again, but
• 1:32:55
  I know me at least I had mentioned them earlier.
• 1:32:57
  Something I do want to, you know, kind of I
• 1:33:00
  think make a point at. And it was because you
• 1:33:02
  had even mentioned Kroley earlier, being kind of like an
• 1:33:05
  I said, a master of synthesis, which I took from
• 1:33:07
  Toby Chappelle. It's not me he coined that, but I
• 1:33:11
  really do think he was. And if people want to
• 1:33:14
  get in my opinion, get to go at a good
• 1:33:15
  idea who he was actually inspired by. Go look at
• 1:33:18
  the Gnostic saints. That's my opinion. Those are the people.
• 1:33:22
  Because I've covered a bunch of them, and a lot
• 1:33:25
  of them I can see like, oh, that's where Croley
• 1:33:27
  got this from. That's where Croley got this from. That's
• 1:33:29
  where Crooley got this one. But now, like and please
• 1:33:32
  bear with me, and I'm trying.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 7: To get a point here, and it's going to be
• 1:33:34
  a lot, but let me just get to it.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 8: A lot of these older occultists again, you go back
• 1:33:40
  to Johannes Trithemiez, Paracelsus, Cornelius Agrippa, Heinrich Kumrath, Michael Meyer,
• 1:33:47
  as well, Kroll, Robert Flood especially. You start looking at
• 1:33:51
  all these people that showed up in Germany or from
• 1:33:55
  in that area. A big thing with them that I
• 1:33:58
  don't see any more. They were polymaths as well, so
• 1:34:03
  besides being an occultist, they were also doing math. And
• 1:34:06
  they're also and this is a big thing that I
• 1:34:08
  keep bringing up. And I even think I spoke to
• 1:34:10
  you about this mark about a year ago, and I
• 1:34:12
  think you said you were actually kind of interested in it.
• 1:34:13
  You're like, that could be something I do think because
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  a lot of these people that I just mentioned, they
• 1:34:19
  even talk about the body, especially the brain and the eyeballs,
• 1:34:23
  you know. And again, if you're a polymath, you're also
• 1:34:25
  going to be looking at music, which Robert Flood did,
• 1:34:27
  and a bunch of those other ones. You're going to
• 1:34:29
  be looking at the body. It's not just a few things.
• 1:34:32
  You're looking at probably about six or seven different types
• 1:34:34
  of ways and looking at stuff.
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  Speaker 7: So like what I'm we're going to try to get at.
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  Speaker 8: Is that like back then, you saw all these people
• 1:34:41
  incorporating music into their stuff and trying to understand that.
• 1:34:44
  Michael Myers was considered like the first multimediate person. You
• 1:34:47
  had an engraving, you had music that had to be
• 1:34:49
  played with it, and then you even had to read
• 1:34:51
  something and then meditate on what's going on.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 7: That guy, his shit was crazy.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 8: You have Robert Flood who like basically came up at
• 1:34:58
  the monochord and he was huge with music. That guy
• 1:35:02
  was drawing your your your nerves, your blood, your eyeball,
• 1:35:05
  your brain. I mean, these these people were not just
• 1:35:09
  like I'm going to walk around with a crystal in
• 1:35:11
  my hand and throw some lavender over my shoulder and
• 1:35:13
  I whitch. You know, it's nothing like that. These people
• 1:35:16
  were like into so many things besides that, and for
• 1:35:21
  some reason that seems to get lost, or in my opinion,
• 1:35:23
  it's not lost, it's just hidden. We don't talk about
• 1:35:27
  that anymore. The people that understand that stuff, it's not
• 1:35:30
  ignored or it goes beyond the memes.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 7: So I don't even want to think about it.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: It's valuable that that it's controlled, you know, and and
• 1:35:41
  I don't know that it's unanimously controlled, at least in
• 1:35:44
  Western culture. It's controlled to a certain degree. Oh, the
• 1:35:47
  Catholic Church did a lot of people, wealthy people like
• 1:35:51
  they're putting their children into rigorous courses to learn how
• 1:35:56
  to play instruments and learn athletics and do all these
• 1:36:00
  different things at very young ages because they want them
• 1:36:02
  to have a foundation to be successful. And you know,
• 1:36:06
  I'm sure everyone you know praise that they'll birth a prodigy,
• 1:36:10
  but that's not always the case. So they have to,
• 1:36:13
  you know, work with what they got. And that's why
• 1:36:16
  I think, Yeah, getting them while they're young and putting
• 1:36:19
  them through these different schools that cost a lot of
• 1:36:22
  money makes a big difference. But whether or not music
• 1:36:26
  makes a difference. I think you're touching on a very
• 1:36:29
  important point about human consciousness and why chanting and music
• 1:36:35
  have always been major aspects of spiritual practices, going back
• 1:36:40
  to you know, the first animal skin pulled over a stump,
• 1:36:45
  right that that was maybe the first drum, right Like,
• 1:36:49
  they heard that beat, they started dancing, they started moving
• 1:36:52
  in a way. I mean, who knows. That could just
• 1:36:55
  be a but I think there's there's true in that,
• 1:37:00
  and that's why, you know, you go to a monastery,
• 1:37:02
  you go to one of these Buddhist temples, and they
• 1:37:04
  have bells, they have chimes, they're chanting. It's all about
• 1:37:08
  the sound. So yeah, I think that these geniuses of
• 1:37:12
  the you know Enlightenment pre Enlightenment era that we've been
• 1:37:15
  talking about, you know, they were definitely using instruments and
• 1:37:20
  playing the piano and doing all these lives. You pointed
• 1:37:23
  out they were polymaths. But as to whether somebody figured
• 1:37:27
  out a sure fire method for doing it, I'm more
• 1:37:31
  of an idealist in the sense that I think karma, absurdity, chance,
• 1:37:37
  these kind of the the you know, humdrumness, and mundanity
• 1:37:42
  of life all play into it. Right, So I think,
• 1:37:45
  you know, it's all part of the human experience. I
• 1:37:48
  don't know that everybody's meant to have a manufactured moment
• 1:37:53
  of genius. I think genius is something that happens to
• 1:37:56
  a generation in waves. Like different generations have different geniuses.
• 1:38:01
  You know, we don't even know the genius of like
• 1:38:04
  my generation yet they're too young for anyone to figure
• 1:38:07
  it out, right, Like, so maybe in a hundred years
• 1:38:10
  we'll look back at the twenty tens and twenties and
• 1:38:13
  we won't be talking about Elon Musk or any of
• 1:38:15
  these other towns. Now we're talking about some guy that's,
• 1:38:19
  you know, working really hard and you know, who knows
• 1:38:21
  doing what God forbid, making the AI stronger. But yeah,
• 1:38:26
  I think I think that's a big part of it
• 1:38:28
  is is it's not something that you can manufacture, and
• 1:38:32
  it's not something that the elites can always buy and
• 1:38:35
  have a monopoly on. I think a lot of times
• 1:38:38
  that genius strikes people who tend to be sentimental and
• 1:38:42
  empathetic towards a greater cause and have egalitarian ideologies. In
• 1:38:50
  some form or fashion. Always reflects the culture of their time,
• 1:38:54
  the political ideologies of their time. But this idea that
• 1:38:58
  you know, we should do good, treat others well, and
• 1:39:01
  maintain that in some sort of systematic way. Is seems
• 1:39:06
  to be a prevailing inspiration and something in common with
• 1:39:09
  anyone who has the grace of pulling off a true innovation.
• 1:39:15
  I mean, how how Rare is a genius. It's not
• 1:39:18
  something that you just stumble upon every day, right, that's true.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 11: I wanted to add one little quote for inspiration that
• 1:39:28
  that we two can at least be smart. Sometimes Einstein said,
• 1:39:34
  uh that I am not smarter.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: I am not.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 11: It's not that I am so smart. It's just that
• 1:39:42
  I stay with problems longer. And so this insistence to
• 1:39:47
  you know, build on a foundation and keep going. I
• 1:39:50
  think this, you know, motivation to keep going is a
• 1:39:54
  really powerful attribute for our mental pursuits.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: Well. Also that imagination is the most important thing overall knowledge,
• 1:40:04
  you know, because if you can visualize it and you know,
• 1:40:07
  imagine that thing, then you can draw out the substance
• 1:40:10
  of it in order to understand it. Yeah.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: And then Ron in the comments what's up roun from
• 1:40:17
  New England? I love Ron and Ron.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: There is a reason why so many of them pass
• 1:40:24
  through the medicine so going back hundreds of years, so
• 1:40:29
  and and and that when they finally ended the medicine,
• 1:40:34
  and in fact Centermin studied on the last years of
• 1:40:38
  the last medicine. That's that moved on to other places
• 1:40:43
  and then spread and disappear. So now it's more underground
• 1:40:46
  and that, as you said, Mark, you have these schools.
• 1:40:49
  But from my perception, if you have to put your
• 1:40:53
  son into one of those schools and pay for it
• 1:40:57
  and all, you are in a very low class because
• 1:41:00
  these children are looked after as Jedi look for small
• 1:41:04
  children with midichlorians. They recognize them, they select them, they
• 1:41:08
  put them on those societies and groups as the bohemian
• 1:41:11
  Bohemian growth. You can be born on the river with
• 1:41:14
  no shoes on your family, but if you have those traits,
• 1:41:18
  they will detect you and they will educate you. After
• 1:41:22
  so we faced, perhaps after the nineteenth century, perhaps twentieth century,
• 1:41:27
  this democratization because there is not enough of them to
• 1:41:30
  control as the world has grown, so they have to
• 1:41:33
  expand and create these elements and educate them. So well,
• 1:41:37
  my point it was just that if you have to
• 1:41:39
  pay to get that knowledge, you are very low, well
• 1:41:44
  the way above our status. But very low in their
• 1:41:49
  concern to the places of control.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that's the result of nepotism too,
• 1:41:58
  you know, like these perhaps ricks you know, or want
• 1:42:02
  a flash in the pan, and they they set their
• 1:42:05
  family up for ten generations and by the third or
• 1:42:08
  fourth generation since the one manner or woman and man
• 1:42:14
  who who you know made it happen. I think, yeah,
• 1:42:17
  it kind of fades and trickles, But with Skull and Bones,
• 1:42:21
  it does seem to magnetize a certain type of person,
• 1:42:26
  and maybe that's what it is. When I was younger
• 1:42:29
  and more optimistic, I might have thought that the Skull
• 1:42:32
  and Bones were the Jedi, but I'm pretty set they're
• 1:42:35
  the sick.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: I believe they are neither. They're just they're just one
• 1:42:41
  of these with a very good rate of success and
• 1:42:44
  infiltrating in the United States because they demoted the real
• 1:42:47
  mystics and created their own association based on their previous knowledge.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: So it is Ricardo.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 10: I'm a thre Ricardo on that, And I think that
• 1:42:58
  they're just like rich re retards jerking off in front
• 1:43:02
  of each other in some kind of a weird elite
• 1:43:07
  circled jerk and it's just I mean.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: Come on, something.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 6: Is something super gay.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: Michael, I'm sorry, Robby, even Michael Myers and and Kunroth.
• 1:43:25
  We're telling other people quit posturing. Quit saying that you
• 1:43:30
  are a magi. Quit saying that you're an occultist, because
• 1:43:33
  you're not. You're doing it all for fame, you're doing
• 1:43:36
  it all for money. You aren't. You haven't even done
• 1:43:39
  the processes. You haven't even done anything. And so they
• 1:43:42
  were calling people out then, And this is why you
• 1:43:44
  don't hear about them very readily. Just like today, people
• 1:43:48
  that kind of call people out in terms of who
• 1:43:51
  people really are don't really get the fame that they deserve.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 10: True, Yeah, because it wasn't like Bush Junie or whatever.
• 1:44:01
  He was in the Skull and Bones and his dad
• 1:44:05
  wanted to watch him jacket tiny dick off in the
• 1:44:09
  coffin or whatever, like yeah, I mean, like, come on,
• 1:44:13
  this is a this is a magician, like this is
• 1:44:15
  supposed to be some kind of like that, Like give me.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: A right, alright, Look, the Bush Sun was a failed
• 1:44:25
  project from the beginning. Yeah, yeah, he was.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: He did use astronomers or astrologers to invade Iraq and
• 1:44:36
  knew exactly what date to do it, and everything.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: Do you think he did it?
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: Absolutely No, I.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 10: Think somebody did it for.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 5: Him, his left hand.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: He's right, he's an idiot.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Laden the bean Laden gave him a firm of
• 1:44:57
  where oil wells, but they're in Texas and he managed
• 1:45:02
  to bankrupt them. How do you bankrupt a business that
• 1:45:06
  has no workers, just machines working taking oil off the
• 1:45:10
  ground and selling it, and he managed to bankrupt it.
• 1:45:14
  So there he was. He was a bohemian, a bohemian,
• 1:45:20
  that's what he was. So when the guy gets near
• 1:45:24
  him and says it's done, you see his face. He
• 1:45:27
  was more frightened than the people that were on the
• 1:45:29
  street seeing that the towers falling down.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 10: You're talking about Junior, right, you're talking about Yeah, he's
• 1:45:35
  such a freaking idiot. And it's like, I don't know, guys,
• 1:45:39
  all I know how to do jack off in a
• 1:45:41
  coffin in front of my daddy, Like this guy, this
• 1:45:45
  guy's a magician, Give me a break. I was gonna say, yeah,
• 1:45:55
  sor is a different story.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 12: With you on that?
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: I think think Jill Biden and Joe Biden. The US presidency,
• 1:46:05
  you know, it's had many handlers behind the scenes at
• 1:46:09
  different points with different presidents, and yeah, George Bush Junior
• 1:46:14
  is just a failed attempt at giving his father the
• 1:46:18
  presidency that he barely had. I mean, what what was
• 1:46:22
  it like, less than four terms that he was president
• 1:46:25
  or less than four years. I think it was just
• 1:46:27
  one term.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 7: But yeah, he was the.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: Person that was a constant between all those people who
• 1:46:34
  was in all of those governments. I don't know the
• 1:46:37
  name because I am not American, Thank you, Rumsfield.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 11: Did George Bush Senior was vice president for eight years
• 1:46:48
  before that and CIA before that, so technically he's been
• 1:46:53
  in the halls of.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 6: Power at least Dallas the day Kennedy was assassinated as well.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 10: It's good point.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 14: Yes, they loved they liked Watch, They liked Prescott, Prescott Busch,
• 1:47:08
  the granddaddy of Bush, Prescott company that was making profits off.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the Silverado loan company. They were financing the Nazis.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: He was a banker.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 11: One could argue that the Bush boys have been bankers
• 1:47:24
  for these unsaid and unknown characters that are really behind
• 1:47:29
  the scenes making moves. But they're like the bankers for
• 1:47:32
  the boys.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: And it said that the Bush Bush name is not
• 1:47:36
  their real last name, no, is it German.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 6: Are they German? They are?
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 10: Okay?
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: Well, and one of the one of the moms, right, is.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 10: A tranny, supposedly Crowley's.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 7: Kid, right, bar Barbara.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 10: With Barbara, it's just like, yeah, she's got something hiding
• 1:47:55
  under her bush and it is a penis.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 4: You can say the same for the wife or man
• 1:48:03
  of Obama.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, one hundred and the French president.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 7: I mean yeah, many.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 4: A ritual that they have to go there or something.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 6: Well, that's what that's what it is.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 9: I think they're more hermetic.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 7: That's the.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 9: That's just that's just one iteration, right, Like you don't
• 1:48:30
  want to believe that that is the hermetic person. But
• 1:48:33
  obviously there's a group of people have had you that
• 1:48:36
  think that that's the way to be so hilarity.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 6: Now there was going, sorry, I'm sorry, let me tie
• 1:48:43
  this in real quick, right. So, as far as the
• 1:48:46
  androgynous aspect, when you go back to Mother Kibbili and
• 1:48:50
  addis Mother Kibbili was a transgender But basically it was
• 1:48:56
  on the twenty second day of March being three to
• 1:48:59
  two two right, then a pine tree was cut in
• 1:49:02
  the woods and brought into the sanctuary of Kibili where
• 1:49:06
  it was treated as a great divinity and the duty
• 1:49:09
  of carrying the sacred trees what is entrusted to the
• 1:49:12
  guild of tree bearers, and the tree bearers are the
• 1:49:16
  Zimmerman as far as ties into Germany. So when you
• 1:49:20
  follow this back, Addis and Kibili are the birth of
• 1:49:24
  this mystery called Addis is where you get that Phrygian hat,
• 1:49:28
  that Saturnalian hat, and so this ties all the way
• 1:49:32
  through Germany and around when you follow the Russell Trust,
• 1:49:36
  you know, basically being the opium smugglers that came in
• 1:49:39
  and set up shop in the United States Georgetown University.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 6: And Yale and Yale with the skull and bones.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think what sums it up is at some
• 1:49:51
  point in time they no longer needed that these people
• 1:49:55
  be actual masters as the old ones. So they just
• 1:50:01
  need normal people that could be indocrinated, manipulated, puppeteered, and
• 1:50:07
  and that's how we get the world we have today.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: So all right, I agree with that.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 8: I think if you guys online, since you know it
• 1:50:21
  almost two I was in, I think we'd probably just
• 1:50:22
  wrap it up here too.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 7: Mark.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 8: That was great, That was awesome, Thank you so match man,
• 1:50:28
  we'll definitely have to get you on something else.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Nick, you're the best. I really appreciate all this
• 1:50:34
  it turned out, and uh yeah, awesome to be on
• 1:50:38
  the show after all the tumult, but I love it.
• 1:50:43
  That's how things that the best friends are made through
• 1:50:46
  some hard times sometimes. But I'd love to join you
• 1:50:50
  guys all again in the spirit of what we were
• 1:50:53
  just talking about, to get into this skull and bones
• 1:50:56
  topic or whatever else comes up interesting. So yeah, I
• 1:51:02
  love it. It's awesome to talk to all of you.
• 1:51:05
  And uh, I put my email in the chat, so
• 1:51:07
  if any of you want to get in touch with
• 1:51:09
  me to do a one on one pod as well,
• 1:51:12
  that's also on the table for any of you. I'd
• 1:51:15
  love to see you all for for a one on
• 1:51:18
  one podcast. That's typically how I do my podcasts one
• 1:51:22
  on one. But thank you awesome. My family thinks I'm crazy.
• 1:51:26
  The name of the podcast and a true statement. Find
• 1:51:30
  me on Spotify, Apple, all the podcast apps. And again, Nick,
• 1:51:35
  thanks for inviting me to do this.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, thank you.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: I usually tell you that it's true, but it has
• 1:51:40
  nothing to do with the rest.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 8: But thank you, Mark, No, thank you very much for
• 1:51:48
  coming on Man again. It was uh, you know, it's
• 1:51:51
  been too You shouldn't have been this long. You know,
• 1:51:52
  it took four years at a little too long, but
• 1:51:55
  we got you here. Uh and again you know meet
• 1:51:58
  besides me and you the rest of the reason. I think,
• 1:52:00
  you know, we made some magic tonight. I think this
• 1:52:03
  was a really good episode. I think we talked on
• 1:52:04
  about a lot of stuff. I think we touched on
• 1:52:06
  a lot of different areas like Polymatt's would, which is
• 1:52:08
  why I have everybody on the show. So thank you
• 1:52:12
  for making it happen, and it was your topic. I
• 1:52:14
  thought it was a kick ass definitely and an a
• 1:52:16
  cult rejects show. So I appreciate you for coming on.
• 1:52:20
  Jules again, I thank you for jumping on man. I
• 1:52:22
  appreciate it. That's what's up, and I thank you Robbie Ricardo,
• 1:52:27
  Julia Ethan, Headless, Jin and Lisa.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 7: I thank you all for coming on, and everybody in
• 1:52:33
  the chat. That's what's Up.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 8: There was a lot of people on there from multiple
• 1:52:37
  areas that weren't mine. I tried to show some of
• 1:52:39
  your chats. Thank you very much. It was awesome, awesome
• 1:52:42
  to see all you hear and until the next one.
• 1:52:45
  Everybody be well well later