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Marvel: Secret Invasion Part 2 · May The Review Be With You

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So yeah that that first pilot with Ross in the beginning, and then of
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course Maria Hill at the end, it was downhill and I did not mean
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that to be a pun. Hello and welcome to May the Review be with
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you with Nick and Joe. I'm Joe, I'm Nick, and today we
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are talking about the long anticipated finale two, Secret Invasion. Oh yeah,
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no, that's that's that's about right. We covered the beginning of Secret Invasion,
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uh a couple of months ago, and there's been some time since the
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finale has come out, and you and I have had time to really digest
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it, rewatch it and see how we feel about it again. Before we
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get into the finale itself, quick recap on how did you feel about the
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beginning of this show? I was into it at the first the first the
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first half. I enjoyed it. I thought there were some sad or like
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disappointing directional choices, like with like Maria Hill being being killed off and all
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that, but I was and it was a little weird with how like,
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you know, shocked Fury was with being a spy again, basically because he's
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been in space for so long and he just like he's been you know the
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first half he was completely like off his game, and you can make a
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case that he was off his game the whole time. But so that was
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a little weird. And we also got the whole reveal that he was married,
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which like is still super weird to me. Like, and they like
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really hammered home in this last episode, like how deeply married and I love
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he was like out of basically nowhere. So but overall I was I was
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like, Okay, this is fun. It was enjoyable. The first half
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I didn't like. I wasn't like, no against like any of the choices
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I guess they had made. Yeah, how about you? The first episode
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I thought was really interesting. I think a lot of these Marvel shows,
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like even the ones that like don't maybe stand the test of time or ultimately
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don't stick the landing, I think all of them have a solid pilot.
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I can't really think of one, even the ones that I don't like all
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that much, I can't think of a single one that has a bad pilot.
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So yeah, that that first pilot with Ross in the beginning and then
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of course Maria Hill at the end really interesting. And then honestly, from
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that point on it just kind of felt like it was downhill and I did
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not mean that to be a pun. Uh oh, well, miss call
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me smoulders or that's the worst part of the show is smoulders. Yeah,
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what a waste. Yeah, but uh yeah, I was hoping that maybe,
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hey, maybe they'll do something and it'll stick. The landing here because
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this this doesn't feel It felt lost most of the time, and not like
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in a good way like the way lost was, but like this legitimately felt
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like it didn't know where it was going. I can't stop monster. This
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is not good. I am the super putt. Well, yeah, you're
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right about feeling lost the whole time. I'm just looking at my notes right
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now. I'm just gonna word vomit a bunch of thoughts fury, like being
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married and then it being conveniently to a scroll this whole time. It's like
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a leap of faith that we're supposed to just be accepting of which I'm just
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like okay. And then they like overdid it on the love story in the
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last episode. In my opinion, wait, quick question about that, so
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like, so there's something about that story that legitimately confused me. He didn't
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know that she was a scroll, right, No, he did. He
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did know, okay, but he wasn't aware that, like she was working
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for Graphic at one point, but then she had like a change of heart.
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No, I think he found out that she was like a secret agent
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of Gravic, like during this show. He found out about that around the
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same time that she realized that, like even though she's a secret agent of
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Gravic, like she's not going to betray him. She's to like because I
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think there was still a point when Gravic was the leader before he really like
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took control and then went a little bit more crazy, right. I think
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there was like a transition even in the show where you're like, Okay,
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this is getting more serious and now the people who are following him really need
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to make a decision and if they're going to continue. And I think that
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that happened kind of simultaneously, which is like a pointless plot point for them
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to have even introduced, because it was so like it had no bearing really
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on any parts of the episode. There might have been like an episode ending
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before the next episode where you were supposed to be like, oh no,
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who's she going to choose or something, but it was like non it was
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like a non issue really, but they still like made you think about it,
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which like felt pointless. You know, they could have skipped that and
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just had her as. I don't know that answers your question, but it
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was like you said it was, it was confusing and it was not interesting.
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My biggest problem to you was like the harvest weapon that we find out
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about like the last two episodes or whatever, maybe it was the third to
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lot the fourth episode. I forget exactly when we first hear about the harvest
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is what like Gravihic's really looking for. I think like the moment that Gravic
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like took the explode extremis the second he took that, like the second that
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he gave himself that power, I was like, okay, like now this
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is ridiculous. Like that's really when I started to lose that. The show
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started to lose me, because then at that point you transition from being like
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a show about spies, like because the thing that the show had going for
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was that it's supposed to be like a traditional kind of spy show, and
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you're gonna stop stop a invasion or a takeover like in a traditional spy way,
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is what I was hoping for. But then the second they gave Gravic,
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who was already technically a spy because he's able to transform and look human,
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right, Like for the other side, second you give him a superpower,
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it changes the whole thing. It's like not about spies anymore, it's
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about superpowers. This is like, so you just you just hit the nail
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on the head about my biggest problem with this show. And like why I
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say it's lost because, like you said, we're we're told that this is
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that Secret Invasion is going to be this spy thriller, right yeah, and
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right away. There's some skepticism about this because the original Secret Invasion, written
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by Brian Michael Bendis, which is a great story, is really interesting because
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it's a secret invasion among the superheroes, right, and you don't know who
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to trust, but like the superheroes are built into the story. You know,
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it's it's less of a spy thing and more of a superpowered who do
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you trust body stature thing? Right, And we're told we're not doing that,
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right, which I think most people think, Okay, well, we're
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probably not doing that because like Disney could do that, but like that costs
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a lot of money for this TV show to get all those stars involved,
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and we're not trying to do that kind of Avengers level threat for this,
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So we're just gonna make this a spy thing, which I think people were
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like, oh, it seems a little cheap, but okay, give us
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a spy thing, right, And then they didn't. Right, everyone loves
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Nick Fury too, and like yeah, it's like, oh, we're gonna
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get like a spy TV series with Fury, Like this is great. And
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then the last fifteen minutes of the show is a super is a superpowered beat
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down, which, like, I don't understand Gravic's plan because like the beginning
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of this, it seems like Gravia is pissed because the Scrolls don't have a
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home, right, right, and uh, he's he's trying to build a
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home on Earth and he's gonna do that by wiping out all of humanity.
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Right, He's going to allow them to kill each other with atomic weaponry.
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Okay, that part you're questionable, but like sort of makes sense. There
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there's a A and B logic that I get about it, right, But
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then you know there's this question about like why do you keep leaving Nick Fury
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alive, and you know, there's questions about who's he actually loyal to,
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and we the audience are led to believe, oh, well, maybe like
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it's because like he cares about Nick Fury or something, right, there's something
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there about why he's not killing him. But that's not it at all.
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And it turns out Gravic probably doesn't even actually give to any things about scrolls
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because he's willing to hold his host his own people hostage so that he can
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get what he actually wants out of Nick Fury, which is information on where
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the harvest is and I guess wants the power for what? Like why does
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he how does that aid the goal of finding the scrolls a home? Is
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that even his motivation anymore? He was willing to let them all die.
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I don't understand his character motivation at all. I have nothing else to add.
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Is like totally perfect. That was totally a perfect response to that character
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is like ridiculousness, Like no, no, it's on your on your sentence
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there, sir, It's so true. Like and then the and then the
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ending conversation with Fury, which ends up not being Fury obviously, Like even
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that conversation was infuriating, like you stop it, you stop it, like
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like what the hell are we what are we even talking about? Uh?
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Because like Fury is so weak compared to him. Granted it's not Fury,
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So then you find out, okay, well he was just but at some
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point, like that fight could have started at any moment, and then it
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starts when it it's just so stupid, and then she's already taken the harvest
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and they so they both take it. We just have a big harvest battle.
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How many of these damn vials of harvest are out there? So stupid?
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Also, like if you take the harvest like well, no, I
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think they got the harvest at the same time. I think that was the
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indication that, like they both get the powers at the same exact moment.
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At least that's what I took away from it. I don't know if that's
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actually true. No, I think she had already taken it at some point
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m and then he gave it to her, or she gave it to Fury,
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gave it to him to Graviic, But obviously it wasn't Fury it was
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I don't think that's it, because like, if that were the case,
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she could have just kicked his ass right from the get go, right,
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I mean, yes, that's correct, But he was handed to vile,
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which means he didn't have it before that. But we didn't see him take
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it either, I don't think, well, no, we do. It's
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when he turns on the machine that they're standing in, Like he takes the
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harvest, he puts it into it. They're both standing in the machine.
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She gets it at the same time. Sorry, you're complete, I like
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totally blanked about that scene. No, don't get that only makes it marginally
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better. It's still stupid, Like like is there a sense to it?
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Yeah, I guess, like if I had like action figures and I was
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six years old and I was looking for a reason for these two fight,
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but like, you know what doesn't make sense either, Like why would he
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let Fury stand in the circle? That's what I was thinking too. I
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was like, is there a presumption that this only works on scrolls? Like
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yeah, like why would you even take the chance? You know, like
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it doesn't work if you just kick him out? So dumb. While it
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was just like so dumb, it was like, you know what, I
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don't think I'll take that back. I don't think it was dumb. I
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could get on board with her like acting like Fury the whole time to try
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to get an upper hand, but then once she realizes that there's no way
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for her to get an upper hand except to just fight him, you know,
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then she eventually like breaks her cover. But the second the cover's broken
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by her turning into her left arm, turning into the Hulk and smashing him
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or whatever. It was so fun. It's so annoyingly. It's so annoying,
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and it's just like it's such a terrible creative decision to have this like
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hilarious battle where they're just like transforming their bodies into like Name and Avenger.
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Like. I hated it. I hated every second of that. It was
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awful. The CGI was like me, and I hate it even more because
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I just trashed the Flash on our one of our previous episodes for being terrible
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and then all of a sudden, like and I'm talking up the MCU for
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at least building characters and like trying to progress the MCU timeline, and then
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all of a sudden, like two weeks later, we get this awful ending
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to Secret Invasion with awful CGI and awful premise, and I'm just like,
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come on, guys, it honestly made the Flash look good. I don't
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know anything can make the flow, but it didn't make it worse. I
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only say this because like, at least the Flash had a premise and stuck
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with it. Whether or not that was the perpose they should have stuck with,
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I don't know, but this is what what about This is spy thriller.
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And also like we haven't gotten into the secondary or not the secondary,
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but the climax that's happening parallel to this one, which like also feels so
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forced. You know, there's this moment with Sonia and she's with Roady and
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the President. I think it's before Fury walks in. Yeah, and she's
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like, I can't prove that you know, he's he's scroll, like delay
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the order or whatever, right, and just you know, there's no harm
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in just waiting, which, like, to be fair, that's actually a
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good point, right. But the thing is, Sonya can prove that Rody
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is a scroll. Shoot him in the foot, like she discovered the previous
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episode, Like, oh look at that, Like if I stab you,
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your body can't stand, can't keep the transformation. Uh. She was by
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the way, the only character that I actually loved throughout this entire show.
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Her character, for sure. Yes, Olivia Colevin is a treasure, one
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of the best actresses in Hollywood. She's incredible. Yeah, so Sonya was
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a lot of fun. I still don't get Sonya. I don't understand what
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she is, who she is, especially in relation to Fury, Like,
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was she like a spy with like what is it, m I six,
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uh the British sex Yeah, spy with the Brits and like she just worked
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with Fury in the past. I guess, I don't know, but very
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quick. But yeah, that whole scene was just like I I enjoyed the
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scene in general, Like I liked the you can I liked the part about
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like you know, you could see Rowdy like slowly losing it because you could
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tell he was losing control of the situation. And you can tell that he
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wasn't acting like Rowdy as we think we know him would act in a high
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pressure situation. You could tell he was starting to feel the pressure about the
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scenario, which is not something that we were used to with that character in
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the entirety of the MCU. So I enjoyed like that aspect, and I
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did enjoy like the little spy aspect of like getting rid of the guards slowly
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to this final showed out and then of course the Fury reveal simultaneously. Basically,
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while we find out that Gaya is actually just transformed, wasn't as cool
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as they probably thought it would be because of how annoying the transformation of guy
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was. You know, it's just like, Okay, well then obviously Fury's
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in the hospital and I'm not happy about it because like that was so awful
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like with the transformation that I don't care now, but but yeah, that's
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very annoying that like she could shoot him in the foot and easily prove it,
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but instead they have this conversation where Fury's trying to like talk sense into
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the president. I've never felt, yea the same thought, like even know
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what else to say? Uh yeah, this came it that like at the
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worst time, I feel like for Marvel. Yeah yeah, like marvel Head
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has already faced like such a beat down from critics who are waiting for Marvel
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to like screw up and fail and not be on top, right, yeah,
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and this came it like the perfect time. So I don't know,
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man, I am. I'm far from the assumption that, uh, the
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era of the superhero is over. I don't believe that for a minute,
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especially with how well Guardians the Galaxy did. Yeah, but geez man,
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like, if you're gonna put something out there, I don't know, stand
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by it. That's what That's what it is. It felt like this was
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chopped up in a lot of ways and they just couldn't commit to an idea.
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Yeah, that's definitely a great, a great point. I don't It's
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just like who's like making the creative decisions across the board right now? You
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know, like it's still Kevin, Yeah, but it feels like there's someone
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else or there's maybe more of a push and pull within the organization because like,
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you know, the first couple phases, like it was really coherent and
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things. You know, they had it, they had it planned out so
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well that that you know, credit scenes were relating to each other perfectly,
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you know, and so I don't know this this Guardians. Guardians was so
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good too, and then like this is just like such like a disappointing.
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So to answer your question, I think because you know, if you recall
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like a lot of like I don't want to call them flops because most of
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them aren't about a lot of the properties that people have been like uncomfortable with
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in like the last couple of years were developed during COVID, you know,
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and and COVID really screwed up a lot of things. And for Marvel,
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the big thing that it screwed up was it's a it's production schedule and then
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b its release schedule. I forgot what the original order for the film and
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TV show releases were, but like a year into COVID, it got completely
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real raged. And I think that that's screwed up the way that we like
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received a lot of information about these stories, right and then also yeah,
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and then also I think it's screwed up like some of the production for these
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stories. You know, there was such a demand for more more shows.
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Yeah, you know, yeah, that's a good point. Also the very
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end right, so like the very the very end right, like they found
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out it's Roady Gaya kills Gravic uh scroll Roady dies Scrody screw damn. That's
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funny. Uh we find guya finds like all of the humans like underneath in
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the bait, like you know, who have been brain who've been trapped,
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one of them being the real Roady. And we find out that he's been
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there for a very long time. Again again they're not committing to anything on
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that, which we don't know how long. Yeah, but we we can
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assume it's after Civil War because it looked like he didn't have use of his
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legs. Oh, good point. I was wondering why he wasn't walking.
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I forgot about that. But but it also could be because he was in
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so long that he just doesn't have the motor function. So so technically,
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technically we don't know how long he's not been Roady. Well, one thing
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is for sure, that Roady that woke up has no clue about anything that
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happened like in the last like phase of the MCU. So he has no
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clue that Tony's dead, you know, Like I'm just I'm just putting that
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together, my Mike. Can you imagine if this is what you said,
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it's Civil War Roady right, like just after Civil War? Right, means
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he doesn't know about Thanos, he doesn't know about the blip, he doesn't
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know Tony. Right, and then of course the thing but then you like
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right, and then you and then and then you think back to those scenes,
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like when Tony's dying and you see like the interactions, and uh yeah,
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you're just like, did they really just like, did they really just
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like nix all of that emotion that they set up for years? I don't
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fucking secret Invasion? Are we kidding? Are we fucking kidding? Because that
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is such a that's a beautifully sad scene. So now anytime I watch end
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Game and I see that scene, I'm like, oh, yeah, but
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it's not really roady, So I guess it's bullshit had a good relationship with
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Tony two. It's so stupid, it's so it's so disappointing. I hope,
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I hope we get a definitive time eventually, and I hope it is
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after a game. But there's no way. There's no way it's after endgame
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based on how long he was in there, based on that statement, because
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they haven't been that long since endgame, I don't know. I don't know
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about that because so they keep there was something that they kept saying to Nick
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that bothered me because like, again, they weren't telling us how much time
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had gone by, because remember Fury's Fury got blipped, right and he he
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comes back, and everyone keeps saying like, oh, you haven't been the
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same since the blip Fury've never been the same. It's like, well,
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how much time has gone by, like because like it's only been like a
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year, Like, fuck off, maybe give him some time, Like,
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right, he didn't exist for five years. That's a lot. I'm trying
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to think back to the other TV shows and and and remember, like did
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they set up a distance of time between like Endgame and any of the TV
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shows? I know that Spider Man, well there's been two Spider Man since
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Endgame so well, so so that was a great one to bring up.
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Uh, because Spider Man actually does give you definitive time. So I can't
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remember when they take the euro trip exactly, but by the end of No
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Way Home, it's Christmas, right, He's he's swinging through New York and
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it's become Christmas time. I think the beginning of that movie is at around
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Halloween time, because like some time goes by after the trip, there's like
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a montage of people hating him. It's Halloween, and then by the end
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of the movie it's Christmas. So we know that six months to a year
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has gone by. Thanks to Spider Man. But other than that, I'm
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not sure. And then and then Captain Falcon, I'm waiting for you.
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You can do this, Captain Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I it,
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I know what. I just wanted to be Captain Falcon exactly. I honestly
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forget what they call that show America. Oh did they actually call it Captain
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America because he becomes a new Captain America. But oh, I know,
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I'm an idiot after I just mopped you. It's Falcon in the Winter Soldier.
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Thank you. Okay, I was at least right, but calling him
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Captain Falcons just funny because it's got those super Smash Bros vibes. But yeah,
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so but that show, I think we have to look back now.
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But I'm pretty sure they give us a timeline as well from the blip on
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that show, because like a lot of that show is is the flag smashers
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like being upset with how the governments have handled the situation, and there's a
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there's a there's a space of time that I think they try to establish.
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Of course, we don't know what that space of time is relative to Spider
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Man either, right, so those could be happening at the same time technically,
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but there's probably a nuance there. But either way, it's only probably
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maybe what a max of two years, I would say, so, so,
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like I guess that's a lot of time. Like if you're not moving
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your body for two years, you will lose function, right, So I
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guess there is a chance that it's after endgame that they get control of Roady.
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There's a chance, but like, like you said, like if I
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don't know the implication of a long time, I mean, two years could
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be under that, but like it does feel like it's longer than two years.
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But I swear they only chose that dialogue because they didn't have to commit
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to a number, you know. Right. One other thing was the was
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the vigilante thing at the end, right when the president like makes this like
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really crazy statement about how like any any foreign invaders are like against us,
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like blah blah blah, like we're coming for you, we know where you
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are, and then like vigilantes start like killing scrolls who are undercover, and
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then they start accidentally killing real people because they have no freaking clue, and
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I'm just like, Okay, now we're just setting up like complete civil war
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situation, like actual civil war, you know, not like civil war within
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the Avengers, and like, I don't know, it's just I get that
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that's a response from a president after getting kidnapped by a foreign invader, but
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like you were also saved by you were you were like spies who have knowledge
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of the foreign invaders, like in a complete way so that they know that
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like not all of the foreign invaders are actually bad. So like, I
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don't know, just felt like the president got like unhinged there at the end,
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you know, like it just felt a little bit like, eh,
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like yeah, too much, shouldn't quite see the leap was like why is
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all of a sudden he's just crazy now, like right, it's not like
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I mean, he already was kind of getting annoyed with Roady earlier in the
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show, so yeah, he felt like he just can't trust anyone, so
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he's just like doing his own genocide thing and like what or he's a scroll,
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you know what I mean, And he's just trying to like like we
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didn't consider that, like he could be a scroll. He's just like killing
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Yeah I didn't. I didn't like it. I think it's my least favorite
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TV show so far actually, which is cool. Least favorite Marvel thing.
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Wow, yeah, that's wild. Yeah, like this is what I would
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much rather watch. Thro The Dark World. Again, I do not like
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that movie. I think that movie is boring. But here's the thing.
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That movie also has Tom Hillston in it, and Tom Middleston is always entertaining.
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He crushes that. Yeah that's true. Does that's true? Wow?
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Man? Thor Dark World is probably I think I've only seen that one twice
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and I've seen everything else from Marvel many more times. That's hilarious. There's
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a reason, right, Yeah, definitely see if your invasion No. Bottom
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of the list from marvelgo. So, like this score is gonna be pretty
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pretty brutal. No, I'm very excited to hear what you're gonna say.
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But before we get there, I wanted to address a couple things. So
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the first is what you brought up about, like the vigilante stuff toward the
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end with everybody like just going psycho and killing everything. It would have been
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interesting, by the way, if they could have worked in the Flagsmasters somehow,
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you know, like the flag smash's being like we're right along like something
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that would a neat way to tie in another show, yea, but like
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it was, it was especially strange to see this and then one other thing.
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So Sonya and Guya meet up toward the end of this story, and
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we find out in their interaction that they're going to be working together and are
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gonna, you know, in Sonya's own words, you will use me,
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I will use you. We will not make the same mistakes of Tallos and
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Fury, of love and friendship. This will be not right. Which if
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that's the end of the show, weird, But okay, fine, that
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appears to be what the president is preaching as well. At least that's consistent.
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But then you have and I don't know if this is on purpose or
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just like a lack of oversight. I don't know, Like if it's on
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purpose, I don't get the point. You have Fury and Priscilla, which
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that's her birth name, like Vera I think is her name. No,
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I think that's guy's name. I can't remember her scroll name anyway. You
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know, before they have their X files image of them going into the light.
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Right before that, there's this confession of love no matter what your skin
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is right, and it just felt like a really conflicting message given what we
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just saw from Sonia in just specifically calling out Fury for having too much love,
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right, and I guess saying that that is what led to the downfall
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of the relationship, which is again a very strange premise, and everything with
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Priscilla just feels so shoehorned. I don't get short forced and it correct me
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if I'm wrong, but didn't. Like they were having that conversation by the
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ship and like Priscilla's like, no, I have to stay here, and
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then Fury like it makes a good point on why she wants to stay on
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Earth, but then Fury talks to her and then she decides to go with
31:45
him. Yeah, that's just like totally dumb, right right, It was
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like why why, why? Why bother With a couple of minutes, like
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just decided she has to stay because like of her work, and her work's
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there been more important. It's like, what do you do? What's your
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work? What don't you know anything about you? And then Fury is like,
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yeah, you're one of the best political minds or whatever he says.
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What does he called? I don't remember what he what. I'm like,
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wait, since when like she like until now we thought she was just a
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housewife like as cover, Like, what do you mean she's like one of
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the most important minds of the whatever. This is so stupid character do makes
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absolutely no sense. Last thing. I want to bring up last thing,
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and this is a thought I had after watching it for the second time.
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This by no means saves this show for me. I just think it's an
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interesting idea. So we get to the end of this and as you and
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I have pointed out, it's it's it's weird that the end of the show
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has things as destabilized as they are and hasn't really fixed of problems, which
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I mean not every Marvel show has, right. I think the end of
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Wanda Vision leaves things destabilized, but in a self contained way, you know
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where I can watch that show and be like, yes, this was a
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proper ending, even though things are not great, whereas this show absolutely not.
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But that got me thinking because of something specifically that Fury says, which
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again this comes out of nowhere. Fury says that the not the Scrolls,
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the Cree are willing to make peace talks with the Scrolls and possibly find them
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a world, which two quick things about that. I love the conversation with
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fake fury and graphic and he's like, I knew, after searching for a
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home for you that there was no planet I could find that would be suitable
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for you. And I was like, really, the whole you race you
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couldn't find one planet. Wow. I'm like, Captain Marvel's been gone for
34:06
a long time. Are you sure? All right? Are you sure about
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that? All right? But then at the very end, and then at
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the very end when he's like, decree are gonna make peace, I'm like,
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oh, now they're gonna make peace. Wait. I was like,
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I'm sorry, why haven't we talked about that before? That seemed important?
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And since when did the Cree seem like they were gonna make peace? They
34:29
were ready for genocide earlier? We've missed something. But anyway, okay,
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so that's happening right, And he says there are peace negotiations going on.
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This gets me thinking, oh, I wonder if that's a lead in to
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the Marvels and I because like, the thing that's stuck with me was like
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the way that they are leaving this show with the planet so destabilized. This
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feels like the sort of thing that you can't just ignore in your other marvel
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properties, Like this is something that sticks around, right, right, So,
35:05
like is this something that's going to be important for the Marvels or is
35:08
this something that sticks around until Secret Wars? And if so, how does
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this how does the Scrolls impact that? Yeah, this just feels like this
35:19
is such a big plot thread that probably will not be addressed. Yeah,
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I imagine it's someone addressed in The Marvels because obviously that's the next thing that
35:29
we know that Fury is going to be in, and we've seen a trailer
35:32
for that already. But like, they've just like done such a poor job
35:38
of whatever they're trying to get to with this series that I'm actually like a
35:45
little bit scared for how The Marvels is going to be because I actually like
35:50
all three of those characters. I think they've done a really cool job with
35:52
building those characters, you know, like Maria Rambow and obviously Captain Marvel and
36:01
then Missus Marvel. Like, but now, like if this show is supposed
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to lead into that, I'm a little bit worried about what the hell the
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show is going to actually be about, or the movie's gonna actually be about.
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It's like I'm actually excited for it, but not after the setup that
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they've just done here. I don't know, we'll see I hope so man,
36:25
Uh, the Breelars didn't deserve some love. Captain Marvel deserves some love.
36:30
Yeah. I really hope that that movie sticks to landing well, which
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is crazy. We haven't had another Captain Marvel movie. It's been only three
36:38
years, four years. I don't even know when that last one came out.
36:40
Longer than that two thousand, twenty seventeen, Holy crap, is it
36:47
five years? Let me look, I'm looking it up. Or is it
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like early twenty eighteen? Maybe? No, okay, twenty nineteen Captain Marble,
36:57
so four years? Yeah? Wow. But the funny part about nineteen
37:02
endgame yeah, oh, I did not realize that. But that's the funny
37:12
part about Captain Marvel is it came out in twenty nineteen. But the chronological
37:15
order of Captain Marvel is the second MCU film, right right, because Captain
37:24
America is start technically first, right, it's Captain America then Captain Marvel is
37:29
how the chronological order goes, if I'm not mistaken, which makes it even
37:31
longer, since which makes it even longer, since it's technically been a Captain
37:36
Marvel film, right like that, like since like Captain Marvel has been like,
37:39
you know, chronologically like a in the MCU, it's like it's Captain
37:45
Marvel a shit ton of time, end game, and then like a shit
37:51
ton of more time, not as much as the first ship ton, but
37:54
you know, like a half a shit ton, and now like we're getting
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another movie. It's just like, yeah, it's it's exhausting. It is
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exhausting, all right. I think I think we're scraped the bottom of this
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barrel. Before I throughout my score, I do want to say a couple
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of positives. As I mentioned before, Olivia coleman Sonya was wonderful. I
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would easily watch another show with her. I also want to I think performances
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across the board were pretty okay. Obviously, Olivia Coleman's was a standout.
38:34
Even though I don't like Gravik's character. I think Kingsley ben Adder was really
38:39
good as him. I found his performance pretty compelling most of the time,
38:47
and I'm glad that he was at least in Barbie, which was a huge
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success, because he deserves to be in a successful property. H Amelia Clark
39:00
was buying serviceable. I didn't think she was a big standout, but I
39:05
liked her in it, and I was excited that she was going to be
39:07
in the m CU. But now I'm excited at all because she's like the
39:10
strongest one all of a sudden, Like you know, it's like so weird,
39:14
it's so dumb. Yeah, she just has all the powers. I
39:19
don't like it. I don't like Ip has ghost powers for some reason.
39:23
I hope that, Uh well, yeah, what the fuck? Yeah right,
39:29
like that's a character we haven't like. I don't even we're not getting
39:32
into this. We're not doing that today. That's not happening. We're moving,
39:36
we're ignoring that, we're gonna we're not even gonna into that. Man,
39:38
we should do an episode of holes. We should do that. That's
39:43
a great call. That's definitely what our next episode should because I think we
39:45
have a while until we have something else to talk about MCU wise, Okay,
39:51
I have to check back and see what's next. But oh, Loki's
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next in a month, two months. Yay. That I'm stoked for.
39:59
I can't freaking wait for them. I'm so excited for Lucky anyway. Uh
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but yeah, it's just like so dumb that she's like the strongest avenger.
40:10
Now what are we doing? Man? But I but I was, and
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it's disappointing because I was like super stoked familiar Clark to be part of the
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MCU, And I'm like, eh, I assume that the Harvest isn't.
40:25
I assume that like it wears off, but like that also seems I hope
40:31
it does, but it also is dumb if it does. You know,
40:35
it's like it's like a catch twenty two kind of like, yeah, I
40:37
hope it wears off. It probably wears off, and if it doesn't wear
40:44
off, it's dumb. But if it does wear off, it's also dumb.
40:47
It's just dumb, you know, it's just so dumb. So yeah,
40:52
hopefully they take the wearing off. Hopefully it wears off. Dumb,
40:55
you know, it's one of those. Oh but then I leaves the door
41:00
open for them to bring it back anytime they want, which is mega dumb.
41:05
I mean, listen, let it fade, you know, like the
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less staying power this show has, the better. Yeah. That's that's rough.
41:14
That's the point. This was a rough one. All right. I
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don't know what I'm going to clip for YouTube on this. It's just that's
41:21
going, yeah, and then you're finishing with it's so exhausting. That's yeah.
41:37
That's how you sum up episode six of Secret Invasion. All Right,
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Figured Invasion scores one through ten. What is your score? This is the
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lowest score I've ever given on a percentage standpoint for any thing we've ever well,
41:55
actually, no shit, I have to look back at my Flash review
41:59
and compare that percentage wise to add a five with an out of ten.
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I don't think I can. I don't remember what my Flash score was.
42:08
So this is gonna be the lowest TV show I've ever scored, for sure,
42:12
and I honestly my brain's going to like three and a half. But
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I'm gonna go with a four point five out of ten. That's what I'm
42:22
gonna give it. Okay, not that's it's pretty bad. I'm giving it
42:29
a two. My oh my god, I'm giving it a to This will
42:34
be the lowest thing I probably ever grade. Nick I needed this. I
42:38
didn't even want to watch the finale, oh my gosh. Honestly, honestly,
42:43
like if I could, if I didn't enjoy Olivia Coleman, so much.
42:47
I would probably give it a one. She saves it by one point.
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There's just so much to dislike about this show and just not enough reason
42:57
for me to ever come back. Yeah, go at least for thor Dark
43:05
World again. Uh, Tom hitdlesin. But also like it has like continuity
43:10
into other Marvel properties, whereas like this, this kind of feels like no
43:15
one will ever talk about this again. And I'm okay with it. Yeah,
43:22
I mean, look, nothing you're saying is wrong. I agree with
43:24
everything you're saying. My score was also the lowest I've ever given, but
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like you know, to a tennis I wanted it to be brutal. That's
43:34
they brutalized me. They brutalized Also they killed Maria Hill. Yeah that was
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not okay. I can't change my score because scores are final once they're set
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out loud. But you've convinced me that I should have gotten lower alrighty Uh,
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that will do it. Bron's on I was like sixth Secret Invasion.
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We'll be back with more reviews for you soon, but until then, may
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the review be with you. Mm hmm