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Episode 125: LeeAnn's Mom, Gina, Discusses Being New to the Massive Star Wars Fandom · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  It's most things Kenobi, an elegant podcast for a more
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  civilized fandom. Hello everyone, Welcome to
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  another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan
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  Kenobi in all things Star Wars. I'm your host, Leanne.
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  And I'm your host, Lauren, and we have a guest in the house, a
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  very special guest, one by popular demand and somebody
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  we're going to get a different perspective on Star Wars from.
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  And that is my mother, Gina. Welcome to most things Kenobi
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  officially. Hello.
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  No, no, I take that back. Hello there.
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  There you go. She's learning.
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  I love it. That's amazing.
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  Hi, Gina. I'm so happy to see you.
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  Hello Lauren, dear. How is life?
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  Pretty good. Well, she's.
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  She's staying with you for a little bit.
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  You got her actually in the room with you, Leanne.
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  Yes. So any audio mishaps, please
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  forgive us up front. We're we're doing the best we
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  can with two people in one room and one across the country.
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  So it's actually nice to have you here.
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  She's here for a number of reasons.
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  So it's nice whenever you visit. And the point of this whole
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  episode is to talk about Star Wars from a new fans
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  perspective. So back story, you grew up in
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  the age of Star Trek. Yes.
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  And you kind of skip Star Wars because you were a Trekkie and
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  and look, Lauren and I have said it, we appreciate Star Trek.
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  There's no hate for the Trek in this house, right?
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  My dad's also big into Star Trek, so yes, there you go.
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  So you got into now I was, I was big into Star Wars as a kid and
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  you you like, allowed me to foster that.
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  But then you got into Star Wars through The Mandalorian.
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  And I know that Lauren and I have met so many people that
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  started watching Star Wars and got into it for the first time
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  through The Mandalorian, many of which are good friends of ours
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  and patrons and just people we've met at cons and stuff.
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  And so we thought it would be interesting, since you're here
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  to talk to somebody who is relatively new, even though
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  you're kind of an OG, you were around, you were what, a
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  teenager when it came out. So now you're just picking it up
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  now. So we thought it would be a
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  unique opportunity kind of to to pick your brain about what it's
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  like. Pick away.
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  Gina, I have a question. Did you see Star Wars at all
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  when it first came out, or did you just not watch it at all
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  until recently? It came out, we were teenagers
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  and the movie theater was like 20 miles away.
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  So we loaded up the car and everybody went to the theater.
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  It was our big Friday night, and we saw Star Wars, just came out
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  and I thought, I like Star Trek. I'll probably like Star Wars.
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  I went to the first one, the first night.
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  And they all went back on Saturday, 'cause they loved it
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  and I didn't. So you've seen the first one and
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  you still ask me who Luke Skywalker is?
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  No. Like, I know, but but I don't
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  know. Like the purse.
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  Like who his mother is and who his father is.
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  And I didn't even really know they were sisters, brother and
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  sister. Twins, right?
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  Well, that came out later in the original.
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  OK, I didn't over the years. A person who doesn't really keep
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  an eye on Star Wars. It'll come to you.
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  Advertisements and toys and oh, there's a new Star Wars coming
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  out. And I'm saying to myself, isn't
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  this ever going to go away? Nope, I'm not.
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  They're doing another Star Wars. I didn't even like the first
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  ones. What I.
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  What is this? It's definitely not going away
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  now. No, no, no.
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  And it's a good thing it didn't because you have found your way.
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  This is the way to the Mandalorian.
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  This is the way. So and now I go backwards and
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  try to catch up on who's who and who's married and how they died.
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  And the biggest thing I've learned is that what's his name?
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  You tell me. Oh, Darth Vader.
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  Yeah, what's his real name? Anakin.
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  Skywalker. Anakin.
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  Yeah, he was. He didn't mean to be a bad guy.
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  That's the beauty of it. I mean, he made every choice in
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  his life and we hold him accountable for it.
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  But it was a shit. He was like screwed from the
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  start. He was brainwashed and that's
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  that is why his redemption in Return of the Jedi, which you've
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  never seen, is so important. But you were introduced to him
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  now through all of this other stuff.
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  You saw him in the Kenobi show as Vader, kind of wavering
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  between Vader and Anakin when his helmet came off, right?
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  It's too much. Cartoons, sequels, prequels.
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  Hold on. We call them animations.
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  We call them animations here. Faux pas.
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  What do you call them? Animation, yes, not cartoon.
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  Cartoon is Bugs Bunny. Animations are Clone Wars.
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  Bugs Bunny's the greatest. Let's not talk about the bugs,
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  OK? OK, Well, OK, so this is great
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  because, like, this is your first look at him.
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  Yes. You saw him as Anakin in Ahsoka.
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  Yes. Yeah, that was him before the
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  the helmet and the suit and everything.
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  His downfall? Right.
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  And how awful is that? It's terrible what they did.
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  Have you seen the video of the little girl who was introduced
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  to Star Wars through the prequels?
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  So she knew Anakin as Anakin and didn't realize he was going to
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  turn to the dark side. And she starts to cry and she's
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  like, I don't want him to turn bad.
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  See. It's sad.
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  It is. To see it through like an
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  innocent child's perspective it is.
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  Yes, that's devastating. Actually that's weird to think
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  of because we only know it as original trilogy than prequels
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  than. Anything else?
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  Yeah, we we have that weird, unique perspective of seeing it
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  in the order it came out. Whereas nowadays, like Gina is a
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  great example, you can see it in any order, the order.
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  That's not confusing, no? She asked me.
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  What did you ask me the other day?
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  You said you asked me, she asked me some Star Wars question and I
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  said, well, what timeline are we talking about?
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  And she's like, what timeline? I said, well, that's key because
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  there's like 50 timelines at this point, you know?
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  A lot to keep track of, yeah. Yeah.
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  In Star Trek, you never felt bad for the bad guy.
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  He was bad. We destroyed him, and that was
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  it, and that was it. But now here comes this guy who
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  didn't mean to be bad and and they they shit on him and all
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  that stuff. Well, he was led down a path
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  where he thought he was going to save people by the decision he
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  made and it was like the exact opposite.
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  And he hated himself every day. That's a dirty trick.
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  That's a damn dirty trick. Yeah, but it's the story of
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  hope, and that everyone has the chance to turn good again.
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  And you should believe in people you love.
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  That's why Luke's story is so important.
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  And you know, given the chance, you can turn it around never too
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  late. I'm going to say something
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  really controversial right here, OK?
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  Shocking and against the grain, but Luke Skywalker needs to get
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  over himself. What?
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  Blasphemy. Why?
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  You don't even know who he is. Luke.
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  Luke. Yes, that's all you hear is Luke
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  is so great and Luke is so wonderful and Luke is so this
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  and Luke is so that. That's because he is same as New
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  York City. All you hear about is New York
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  City. NY City is so great.
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  What happened when we flew in there, there was not the city,
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  the airport. There was garbage all over.
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  They changed gates 10 times. They didn't have it together at
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  all. And I told that girl at the
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  gate, So hold on, we're comparing Luke Skywalker to the
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  LaGuardia Airport. Yes, and all things that need to
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  get over themselves that think they're great.
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  That's that's why you need to watch the movies, because.
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  Luke doesn't. He's great.
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  He doesn't think he's great. He doesn't think he's.
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  Great. The audience thinks he's great,
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  but Luke doesn't think he's great.
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  Luke I was glad to see him when he flew in there and saved Mando
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  and. And those black things that were
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  pounding on the door, Yeah, he he yeah.
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  And he did it because people needed help.
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  Isn't that who you want on your side?
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  That's who I want to see. That was he never?
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  He never. Then he took baby Yoda, and then
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  it was a whole thing with the mask off and the whole helmet
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  came off and it was sad. And if you didn't cry, you don't
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  have a heart. But baby Yoda wanted to go.
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  He called. Luke got burping.
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  He called Luke. So, so here's an example of the
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  point of view of someone who comes into Star Wars late and
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  does not catch the drift of the first three.
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  But the truth is, Gene is not alone.
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  There's a huge part of the Star Wars community that can't stand
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  Luke Breaks my heart, but it's it's not an uncommon idea.
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  The thing is is Lauren and I were just talking about how in
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  these newer TV shows like Ahsoka for instance, and even Andor,
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  even though Andor was kind of different, there is no mention
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  of Luke and her. And I were just talking about
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  how tangentially these shows we should hear more about the the
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  boy who blew up two Death Stars. For for all we know, like Lauren
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  posted something on the Instagram, Luke walked into the
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  room with the Emperor and Vader and he was the only one that
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  walked out alive. So something badass happened in
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  there that would put the fear of people.
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  Like what did what is it about this guy, this young man who was
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  able to defeat Palpatine, slash Sidious, who?
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  No one else in the Galaxy, full armies, other Jedi, etcetera.
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  And really the answer is Vader helped him because of the love
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  he had for his own son. So together they were able to
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  kind of catch Palpatine off guard.
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  But nobody acknowledges that in the new shows, we don't hear
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  about Luke, ever. When he just shows up in the
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  Mandalorian saves everyone. He didn't ask for a thank you.
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  He no one owed him anything. He came and took the kid because
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  the kid called him. Someone needed help.
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  Luke went and saved him. That's what Luke is in his
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  essence. It's the label that people
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  attach to Luke, whether they like him or not.
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  Oh, he's whiny. He didn't have enough training,
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  you know. Why isn't he saving everyone?
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  Why is he only swoop in whenever he wants?
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  Stuff like that? So there are two schools, right?
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  Yeah, he yeah, he is pretty great.
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  Well, we didn't mean to persuade you.
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  It's just he did a lot of good things, but he never once asked
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  number one to be forced to do any of that.
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  He didn't ask. He took it upon himself.
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  Like the hero's journey. Right.
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  It was basically destiny chose him.
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  He didn't choose it. He even refuses.
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  Like that's the whole thing of the hero's journey is the hero
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  refuses the call at 1st and they say I can't do that.
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  I have a family, I have a life here and that's what happens.
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  And so something external like the Empire coming and murdering
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  your family removes your obstacle and now you have no
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  choice but to follow your destiny.
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  That's basically what happened with Lou, but he didn't choose
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  it. He knew he wanted something
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  bigger, but it was basically thrust upon him.
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  George Lucas was kind of like playing with the idea of an the
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  extended universe that goes beyond Return of the Jedi is
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  that Luke was carrying a huge burden.
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  And he kind of secluded himself on occasion because it was a lot
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  of scrutiny on somebody who was just trying to help.
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  And we're seeing that kind of in the Ahsoka show.
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  Where like Hera is a great example, she's trying to do the
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  right thing, but now there are these processes you have to go
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  through and you have to get approval.
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  And so people suddenly turn you into the bad guy wants alliances
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  or allegiances, you know, kind of switch.
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  And now the Republic is in charge and not the Empire
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  anymore. And then the same wheel just
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  keeps turning. Bad guy's form, good guy's form
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  and in walks the next person to try and rule and starts all over
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  again. So Gina, is all of this, just,
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  like, way too complicated to enjoy from your perspective?
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  It is, but I have Leanne, so I'll watch a clip on YouTube or
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  somewhere. And now that I watched them,
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  they throw up. All these other new things that
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  are new to me, right? So I watched them and then I had
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  to ask her questions. You've asked me a lot of
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  questions about Yoda, right? Like actual Yoda, not Baby Yoda.
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  But being introduced to Baby Yoda made you have questions
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  about like, so like what was, what was Yoda like?
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  And so I sent her the clips from the prequels of him fighting
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  Sidious. And it's like this is what a
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  full grown whatever species they are, can do with the proper
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  training. I asked her the other day.
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  Now I ask you, Lauren, if Grogu is to be a Mandalorian, are they
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  going to make his helmet with room for his ears?
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  I think they'll put holes in it. Doesn't.
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  I would say he needs to protect his ears, so either the helmet
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  has to be shaped like his ears, which I don't know how he would
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  get that helmet on. Wouldn't that be cute?
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  Now come on. Even better, the ears have to
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  stick through, like they have to bake holes for the ears, which
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  would also be cute it. Wouldn't be.
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  Well, they would have to be metal too, yeah, because if he
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  gets a singe from a blaster off one of his ears, that's going to
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  hurt. Yeah, that's really what got her
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  into Star Wars was baby Yoda. And you like you like Mando
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  himself too. You really like their bond.
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  Mando is like, boy, if I was a bad ass, that's what I would
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  look like. If I was a badass, I would have
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  those flamethrowers. Oh, the wrist with the.
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  Writer And that jet pack and that big long rifle.
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  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He has a lot of tricks up his
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  sleeve. Mandalorians have the bet.
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  They're the best outfitted warriors in the Galaxy, fighting
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  everywhere. Let's.
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  Talk about the case. Oh, I love a good Cape.
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  I love a Cape. When he walks like that and you
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  just see that Cape fluttering in the back, yeah, Darth Vader has
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  his own fan. Space fan.
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  I'm just kidding. He's like.
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  Blows the, blows the Cape out behind, yeah.
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  Didn't think it's hot out there. No, he does get hot under there.
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  It's all wires. Ask me another one.
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  Ask me another one. Do you like how Mando is
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  softening with Baby Yoda, or do you like he's becoming like I'm
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  going to settle down with a plantation?
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  Or do you want him to still be badass, training Baby Yoda to be
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  a warrior? Both.
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  They can sit on their porch and in the evening and catch frogs
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  and read books and stuff. What?
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  I don't know what they do. He can clean his gun.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Clean the blaster.
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  And when they don't have anything else to do, he can take
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  them over there and practice. I wish Mando knew more about it.
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  He should do his homework. Well, the Jedi are kind of
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  mysterious creatures, so he didn't even know who Luke was
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  when Luke showed up. OK, so it's a big Galaxy.
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  And he was a foundling. So he was an orphan, Abandoned.
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  So isn't that's part of it too, If you have ever not been
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  wanted, you know what that feels like.
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  And it's awful. So the fact that he recognizes
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  that someone stepped in and helped him, he's going to help
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  this little kid now because of that.
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  That's great. That's great.
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  That's a great thing. I always thought he was a kind
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  hearted man for that, because he was kind of like you said, he
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  wasn't one. He was an outcast and the
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  Mandalorians adopted him, saved him from a terrible situation.
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  And then he did the same thing for for Grogu.
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  So are the Mandalorians kind and generous people?
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  I would not say so. That's what I was just thinking
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  while you guys were talking. I was thinking when Leanne, you
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  said he has a kind and sweetheart, it's like, yeah, but
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  I think he was taken by people who did not foster that they
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  actually strip that part of you away because it's weakness.
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  Yeah, you give what you didn't get.
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  There you go. Yeah, Yeah.
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  That's so true. It it heals the giver if you
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  give what you didn't get, that's actually called something.
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  What I don't remember what it's a thing though.
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  It's in like meditation. It's.
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  I thought I just made it up. The wounded healer.
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  That's it. It's the wounded healer.
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  Without the wound, you can't then heal the wound that was
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  given to you and others. So it's what was missing that
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  wounded you. You're you're able to recognize
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  that and then heal someone else. So it's you're closing a
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  circuit, Kind of. So what What was missing for
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  Mando? He was able to give to Grogu.
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  So it's the wounded healer thing.
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  And you know better than anyone what you didn't get, What you
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  needed that you didn't get. Yeah, so then you It's easy to
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  recognize in something else. Let me ask you a question based
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  on Mandalorians. How do you feel about Bo Catan?
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  She's another Mandalorian that you've you're you're not very
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  familiar with Mandalorians, so here she comes, a female
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  Mandalorian who's been around. She's one of the.
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  We'll see the founding man because her sister Obi Wan's
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  girlfriend and Duchess of Mandalore.
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  See, you don't have to go that why 7 generations?
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  Because I can't keep up anyway, that's the best part of all of
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  this I like. Her.
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  OK. When I first met her, I said
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  What does she do? Sit on that thing on rocks all
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  day. She has things to think about.
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  That's what I said too. Every time I visit her, she's
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  just sitting there like, well, The thing is, is that she, she
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  had a hand in the killing of her sister, in the death of her
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  sister, so that's a lot to shoulder.
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  Well, that makes you want to sit on your throne all day.
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  I don't. But that's why I think it's
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  interesting because like your mom doesn't have all that back
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  story. That's that's why I want.
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  To go. So when you first met Boca Tan,
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  how did you feel about her? Because we have really specific
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  feelings because of what we know about her past.
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  But you were just meeting her in Mando, so?
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  I think she was pissed off or Moody and didn't do anything all
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  day but sit on that thing, whatever that is.
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  After she's pissed off and everything, how did you feel
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  about her? Because she she went on to take
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  her helmet off and all this stuff.
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  Uniting the clans and everything.
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  Yes, the clans uniting for it. You like her?
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  OK, but I wanted to ask some people Mandalorians have that
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  like little antenna eye thing. What is that?
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  It's like a little camera thingy.
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  Yeah, I think it like improves their vision and when they pop
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  it down in front of their eye, right?
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  Yeah. Why don't they all have it?
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  I. Don't know.
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  I think they can customize, so maybe it's just the people who
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  want it have it. Boba Fett has it.
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  You didn't watch Boba Fett, did you?
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  Just the parts where Groga was in it.
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  I don't think I watched any of that.
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  No, you saw the episodes with with Grogue 'cause he he
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  silenced that giant monster which is a a a rancor, and he
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  put it to sleep, remember? And then a tired amount.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't see that.
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  What? What did you call it?
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  Mando 2 Point O Leanne. Yeah, Mando 2 point OI like the
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  giant Polly logs that they ride. Oh, the those weird domesticated
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  animals that I have spoken. Remember that guy?
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  I have spoken, Oh. Yeah, the rounded.
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  The rounded things. I didn't know that's what they
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  were called. Well, I don't think they are.
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  She thinks they look like pollywogs, which are those
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  little pre frog. They look like sperm.
• 21:41
  Nobody knows what a pollywog. Is maybe not, but they know what
• 21:44
  a sperm is. Same shape.
• 21:48
  I mean, like a tadpole, Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:51
  Well, a. Tadpole yeah is a pollywog.
• 21:53
  Pollywog is like local dialect maybe?
• 21:57
  I want. To Google this now.
• 21:59
  Yeah, go ahead, Polly. Walk Polly.
• 22:03
  Wally Doodle all the day. It's not like a colloquialism.
• 22:14
  It's like a thing. Yeah, yeah, it's basically a
• 22:17
  tadpole. This is the same thing how I've
• 22:20
  learned something new today. Stick with me, kid.
• 22:25
  Oh, so did how did you feel about the Kenobi show?
• 22:32
  You gave some thoughts on that when you were on our 100th
• 22:36
  episode about what you thought about old Ben Kenobi, our friend
• 22:41
  Obi Wan. I still feel really bad.
• 22:45
  He's a sad man and now I know a little more about why he's so
• 22:51
  sad. There's a lot.
• 22:53
  He went through some shit, yeah. But it's how you come out the
• 22:57
  other end, right? That's why we like him.
• 23:00
  Yeah, he never let it corrupt him and make him bitter, which
• 23:04
  is hard. Most people would have trouble
• 23:06
  not becoming bitter from all all the horrible stuff, right?
• 23:10
  I've become bitter after stuff that happens, you eventually
• 23:14
  climb out of it, But I don't think he's ever wavered, ever.
• 23:20
  And he's an example for everyone which.
• 23:23
  I don't think there's a single person out there who doesn't
• 23:25
  admire Obi Wan Kenobi. Like him or not, favorite Jedi
• 23:29
  or not, doesn't matter. Everyone admires him.
• 23:31
  Why isn't he the greatest Jedi? Well.
• 23:34
  We never said he wasn't some people.
• 23:36
  Do think he is. Yeah, some people think he is
• 23:39
  there. That's a running debate.
• 23:41
  Let's do a poll, OK? We'll poll our audience and our
• 23:46
  patrons, and we'll see who's you think is the greatest Jedi of
• 23:50
  the ones that you know, yeah. Who, Amanda?
• 23:57
  Not Mando. That Mandalorian is the greatest
• 24:01
  Jedi ever. Whoops.
• 24:05
  That was a bad one. Well.
• 24:06
  After after the Ahsoka show, I mean, Obi Wan is the best Jedi.
• 24:11
  Why didn't he come and help? He was dead.
• 24:16
  Because he's dead. Because what?
• 24:19
  He's dead, Mother. He's dead.
• 24:21
  He's dead. He died.
• 24:22
  And isn't Luke dead? No.
• 24:25
  He. Well, unless isn't that the only
• 24:28
  episode she's seen or the sequels is once Luke is dead?
• 24:33
  I mean yes, but. I mean, they all are dead at
• 24:36
  some point. I mean, technically they're all
• 24:39
  they've all passed on, but Obi Wan dies.
• 24:43
  In the very first movie ever, the one that you saw in the
• 24:47
  theater and have forgotten, he dies.
• 24:49
  He sacrifices himself to save Leia and Luke.
• 24:53
  It was all part of his plan. Well, that just shocked me and
• 24:56
  blew me away. So how did he come back and save
• 24:59
  them? Who?
• 25:01
  Luke. Luke didn't die.
• 25:03
  Obi Wan did. Oh.
• 25:07
  You have to watch these fucking original trilogy movies.
• 25:10
  Please, for the love of God, will you just put the time in?
• 25:16
  It's too. It's too complicated.
• 25:18
  Now that's the thing, everyone A lot of people complain and I
• 25:23
  agree, like we're lucky because we kind of been watching as we
• 25:26
  go. But people who are just new to
• 25:29
  the fandom, it is. There are too many plot lines.
• 25:33
  Too many directions, too many points of contact.
• 25:35
  It is overwhelming and it's for some people it's not worth the
• 25:41
  investment it takes. Because it is an investment of
• 25:43
  time and emotional energy. Because it's.
• 25:47
  So much. And Lauren and I have talked.
• 25:49
  We don't even we haven't even scraped the surface of written
• 25:55
  Star Wars media like published books, novels, comics.
• 26:01
  Where the story continues with details and characters that I
• 26:06
  mean it is an absolute investment, so.
• 26:10
  Yeah. There's nothing wrong with the
• 26:11
  way you've been digesting it, but there are there are big gaps
• 26:14
  you're missing, like Obi Wan dying.
• 26:17
  Luke is still alive in Mandalorian in your timeline.
• 26:21
  Oh, well, sorry. Oh no it's not.
• 26:26
  They all come back as Force ghosts anyway, so they're never
• 26:28
  really gone. Luke taught us that.
• 26:30
  Yeah, Force Ghost. OK, ask me another one.
• 26:36
  Do you have any more, Lauren? You don't have any more.
• 26:39
  I do. I was wondering what you love
• 26:42
  about Star Wars. Since you're new to it and it's
• 26:46
  overwhelming. Why do you like it?
• 26:48
  Then what is it that's keeping you interested?
• 26:51
  Because it's new? I don't know anything about
• 26:56
  those people at the bar. You know, like if someone goes
• 27:00
  into a bar to talk or whatever, there's people or creatures or
• 27:06
  whatever. They are all there.
• 27:08
  I like that no matter what they look like, they're all accepted.
• 27:13
  Like all all these different planet people can get along when
• 27:18
  people can't get along with their neighbor.
• 27:21
  On this planet, yes. Yeah, I like that.
• 27:25
  But you guys would know that's a, that's a so and so from the
• 27:32
  planet so and so. When Zeb showed up at the bar in
• 27:38
  one of those scenes, remember, and he was just there.
• 27:41
  And to and to the people who knew.
• 27:43
  We knew it was Zeb from Rebels, but you just knew he was a
• 27:47
  creature that was friendly and had a momentary right dialogue
• 27:51
  moment, you know? And the guy who saved you,
• 27:54
  Grogu, and took him in the elevator.
• 27:57
  Grogu's little memory of the when they broke into the palace,
• 28:02
  or whatever it was, oh, during. Order 66 when they when he was
• 28:06
  when he our boy. Yeah, was on my best.
• 28:10
  On my best, yeah. And he saved and said come on,
• 28:13
  I'm. Yeah, with me, Yes, that was.
• 28:15
  Now see, to me that was just, oh wow, that's great That guy
• 28:20
  saved. Got him out of there.
• 28:21
  But you knew who that guy was because he was in something
• 28:25
  before and it was good to see him come back back.
• 28:30
  See, that's the spirit of Star Wars.
• 28:33
  To save, to protect, to make better while all of this other
• 28:38
  terrible destruction is going on.
• 28:41
  It is the classic story of good versus evil, but it there's so
• 28:46
  many nuances to it. Like you referenced Star Trek,
• 28:50
  bad guys were bad, good guys were good.
• 28:52
  But in Star Wars there's like. Are they?
• 28:55
  Are they always? Yeah, something you were saying,
• 28:58
  Gina, really reminds me of Star Trek actually, about how Star
• 29:03
  Trek was ground breaking at the time because they had a
• 29:06
  multiracial cast and that was like unheard of.
• 29:11
  It in, what was it the 60s or 70s?
• 29:13
  I can never remember. Yeah, both, I think.
• 29:16
  Yeah, and it was on for. Just a short amount of time.
• 29:20
  But in that amount of time it was a very deliberate choice by
• 29:23
  the show creators to make it diverse and talk about peace and
• 29:29
  acceptance, because that wasn't happening in the world that they
• 29:33
  lived in on planet Earth here for real.
• 29:36
  That to me is one of the beautiful things that are
• 29:39
  similar to Star Wars, where it's like there's so many things that
• 29:42
  are quote, UN quote, different. But it's a good way to teach
• 29:46
  children, even from an early age, that all variety is a
• 29:49
  beautiful thing. And yeah, I really love that
• 29:53
  about Star Trek. And I'm not a Trekkie, but I do
• 29:56
  love that I have so much respect for that show.
• 29:58
  Totally. Yep.
• 29:59
  I agree. And Star Wars, because I haven't
• 30:02
  never seen creatures. She was asking me recently what
• 30:06
  is Ahsoka species and I said Togruta.
• 30:08
  And then I showed you pictures of, like you know, from the
• 30:12
  Clone Wars series. How the males look and sometimes
• 30:17
  the females have longer montrails, they curve inward or
• 30:21
  outward. The male have different colors
• 30:23
  their their facial markings are different.
• 30:26
  So even within a species there there's variances of like even
• 30:31
  twilaks. They come in all colors.
• 30:34
  The ones with the two. What Hera is well, it just goes
• 30:38
  to show you that a race of something doesn't all look the
• 30:41
  same. Exactly.
• 30:43
  And and what's funny is this Twilac females are often used as
• 30:46
  like sex slaves and sexual objects of desire.
• 30:51
  And Hera is a self-made woman pilot, probably the best in the
• 30:58
  Galaxy, arguably, and. Is a mother and a rebel and a a
• 31:04
  leader, and she's like all of the above.
• 31:06
  So she broke out of her own stereotype that is common within
• 31:10
  her species. And that's why she's amazing on
• 31:13
  top of so many other reasons. But Star Wars gives you that
• 31:18
  there are the same exact problems that we face here in
• 31:23
  that Galaxy, but how many different ways of overcoming it?
• 31:26
  It's endless, I agree. And I think when you can see
• 31:30
  something like that. In a story, it gives you hope,
• 31:35
  you know within the story, and then that can also give you hope
• 31:38
  in your real life. And that's the power of
• 31:41
  representation. Yes, a lot of Star Wars is about
• 31:47
  identity. Luke was lost.
• 31:50
  He didn't know his identity, especially after Vader said.
• 31:54
  Well, turns out I'm your dad and he's like, what the fuck?
• 31:59
  That like, ruined everything for him.
• 32:00
  It ruined everything for for Leia for a very long time.
• 32:03
  So to overcome that, I mean a lot of it's about identity.
• 32:06
  Ahsoka's identity, personal identity.
• 32:08
  Is she good? Is she bad?
• 32:10
  Did she cause the downfall? Did she not have because she was
• 32:13
  part of not like she chose it. But you know, everyone's choices
• 32:17
  have outcomes and and when she left the Jedi Order, she left
• 32:21
  Anakin and that made the hole in him that was filled with anger
• 32:26
  grow. And so she blamed herself for a
• 32:28
  lot of, like, abandoning him. And abandonment was a big
• 32:31
  problem with Anakin. So, you know, so identity is a
• 32:36
  big thing in. So what's the most frustrating
• 32:40
  part about Star Wars for you? I'm not in frustrated.
• 32:44
  I'm enjoying it. Oh good, good.
• 32:46
  Yes, The first of Grogu baby Yoda was worrying about him.
• 32:53
  What's going to happen if they get him?
• 32:57
  Your maternal instinct? Yes, yes.
• 32:59
  A a baby. Anything.
• 33:02
  If it's a baby, it might need me.
• 33:09
  But he's got a good Papa now. They're a clan of two.
• 33:12
  They're a clan of two, yes. What are you most excited for
• 33:17
  next? I heard that they're not going
• 33:21
  to make a sees next season. They're going to make a movie.
• 33:26
  There's rumors that The Mandalorian yeah, it's going to
• 33:30
  be a full length feature film. Now it's a rumor.
• 33:34
  It's a rumor. It's a rumor.
• 33:36
  Well, what the the writers strike and everything.
• 33:38
  I think there's going to be a lot of kerfuffle before it gets
• 33:41
  ironed out. Tell us one of your favorite
• 33:44
  moments ever that you've witnessed on television screen
• 33:48
  of Star Wars when Luke came and saved.
• 33:51
  Yeah, yeah. But those black things were
• 33:54
  pounding on the door and they there was nothing they could do.
• 33:59
  And they were all in there and and like somebody came and yeah,
• 34:03
  like you guys knew who it was. Oh.
• 34:06
  My God, I was crying. Derek was crying.
• 34:08
  We were all crying. It was a very big cry because I
• 34:12
  didn't know who it was, but. It didn't matter.
• 34:14
  It still made it super exciting. And dramatic and awesome you
• 34:18
  like. When baby Yoda eats the eggs,
• 34:20
  this woman is trying to save her species.
• 34:22
  She's carrying the last 17 frog eggs on her back in a cooler,
• 34:26
  and baby Yoda has the balls to eat one.
• 34:29
  He's bad. He didn't know.
• 34:31
  He didn't mean he didn't know. He's just a child.
• 34:35
  He always likes to eat cookies and steal a little and he and
• 34:38
  anything he can. Eat anything?
• 34:40
  Really. I just said to her, I can't
• 34:42
  believe somebody didn't come out with those little blue cookies.
• 34:46
  I thought that would for sure be in a grocery store.
• 34:51
  I'll be at Disney next week, so I'll let you know if it's been
• 34:55
  marketing it. They look like whoopie pies,
• 34:57
  kind of they. Do.
• 34:58
  But they do like little macaroons, Marks, Capone or
• 35:02
  macarons. No, not macarons.
• 35:05
  Yeah, maybe macarons, yeah. Marks Capone cheese is something
• 35:08
  you put inside. So I was close.
• 35:11
  Who's your most hated character that you've seen so far in Star
• 35:14
  Wars? Oh, Moff, Gideon is.
• 35:18
  That his name. Is that his name?
• 35:21
  Yeah, he was on Breaking Bad and you'd like to.
• 35:22
  He was on Breaking Bad. He's such a best, worst.
• 35:28
  But he's pretty cool. He's pretty cool with his fan
• 35:29
  base. What's his actor's name?
• 35:32
  Jim. Carlo.
• 35:33
  Carlo. Oh, that's it.
• 35:34
  Esposito. Yeah.
• 35:36
  Giancarlo Esposito. Is that it?
• 35:38
  He's really cool with this fan base.
• 35:39
  People give him names. People give him helmets.
• 35:42
  He puts them on. He signs them.
• 35:44
  Oh, no, I know. No, no.
• 35:48
  Listen, if you're going to do like kidnap innocent things like
• 35:54
  Grogu and take their blood and everything, you see me on the
• 35:58
  streets, Sir. What you going to do?
• 36:01
  Drop, kick, em. Well, we'll know when we get
• 36:05
  there. But he's a really good, bad guy.
• 36:10
  He You have to separate the actor from the the the
• 36:13
  character. But the fact that I can't tells.
• 36:16
  Me What? He's a really good actor.
• 36:17
  He. Is that's true?
• 36:18
  He is so good in Breaking Bad also, and he's in Better Call
• 36:23
  Saul. He's so good.
• 36:25
  Yeah. Oh, we loved Better Call Saul.
• 36:27
  That was a good. That was a good show.
• 36:29
  He's a good bad guy, too. He's a good bad.
• 36:32
  He wears a good Cape. He can pull a good Cape.
• 36:35
  His first like him arriving on the TIE fighter with the Cape
• 36:39
  art, yeah. You have to have an excellent
• 36:42
  kit. You have never seen Rogue One,
• 36:44
  but you need to. You would love Rogue One.
• 36:47
  You would love Rogue One. Maybe we'll watch that together.
• 36:50
  Is it animated? No, but there is a lot of good
• 36:54
  Cape. There is good.
• 36:55
  Cape Good Cape. There's a lot Cape is hard to
• 36:59
  find. There's a cheery.
• 37:05
  There's chronic. Yes, chronic.
• 37:08
  Vader Chronic's. There's ponchos.
• 37:12
  We were just talking about ponchos today.
• 37:14
  There's a lot of poncho you would love.
• 37:16
  Cheer it. I bet you any money who cheer it
• 37:19
  in in way. Is that how you pronounce this?
• 37:22
  Cheer it in way. He's a he's a character you
• 37:25
  would really like and we love him.
• 37:27
  I adore him, yeah. I am one with the Force.
• 37:30
  The Force is with me. Say it.
• 37:32
  I am one. I am one with the force, and the
• 37:34
  force is with me. That's there it is.
• 37:37
  Always. Always, yes.
• 37:42
  And the Anzelins, yes. We can't not talk about the
• 37:45
  Anzelins. Yes, you fell in love with the
• 37:48
  Anzelins on The Mandalorian. Now that's just a little thing
• 37:53
  they put in there that brings little kids in.
• 37:58
  It brings you watch because you might want to see them again.
• 38:02
  Are they going to be in this episode?
• 38:04
  Yeah, they're sassy. We like.
• 38:06
  What do you want? We're busy.
• 38:09
  We're trying to fix things. You come to my door and listen
• 38:15
  anybody who says what do you want?
• 38:17
  Yeah, he's busy, is my kind of neighbor.
• 38:22
  And they all cheered at the end when when they were saved and
• 38:25
  came in and saved season. What was the season three?
• 38:28
  Are we on the third season of Mandalorian?
• 38:30
  I think so, yeah. Oh my.
• 38:32
  And we can't forget Salacious Crumb.
• 38:36
  I see. I love the little creatures.
• 38:40
  She watched a bunch of clips, which there's not many because
• 38:43
  he's not in Star Wars for very long.
• 38:45
  But you watched a bunch of clips of Salacious and you're like, Oh
• 38:47
  my goodness, what are those called?
• 38:49
  Yeah. And the the trees are full of
• 38:51
  them in that one in the. Mandalorian, There was a.
• 38:53
  That's. Right.
• 38:54
  There's also, well, they're what are they, relatives of Salacious
• 38:59
  and Clone Wars? There's the other.
• 39:02
  The one that Hondo has, maybe they're.
• 39:04
  Not the monkey lizard that Hondo has.
• 39:06
  Yeah, it's a Dick cousin. He's like blue and purple or
• 39:09
  something, right? Yeah, colored green and blue.
• 39:12
  There's like muck, muck or something.
• 39:14
  It's one of them. And then there's.
• 39:17
  I. Can't remember the other.
• 39:18
  One I will. Voiced by Matt Lanter.
• 39:21
  Yeah, voiced by Matt Lanter, who also voices Anakin Skywalker.
• 39:24
  So it's like he plays a rodent and like a galactic, and I met
• 39:31
  James Arnold Taylor through all this.
• 39:34
  And you love him. We all love him.
• 39:36
  He's very talented, yeah. Yes, yeah.
• 39:40
  He's so talented and nice. He's just.
• 39:43
  Very. Nicest person ever.
• 39:46
  I see your autograph. Leanne behind you here?
• 39:48
  No. Isn't it wonderful?
• 39:51
  I I need a frame for it. I don't have one yet.
• 39:53
  I just bought a frame for mine just the other day.
• 39:56
  OK, before we let you go, and thank you for being on the show
• 39:59
  and answering all of our crazy questions and giving us your
• 40:01
  opinion on things with Halloween next week, we're doing a spooky
• 40:06
  Halloween Star Wars Episode. If you could go as any Star Wars
• 40:10
  character for Halloween, who would you dress up and be?
• 40:13
  Take a guess. An Anzalin.
• 40:18
  Mando. Yeah, Mando.
• 40:22
  You'd be Mando Mask. I would take that thing down off
• 40:26
  the wall. I have a Mando mask in my game
• 40:28
  room here all you would need is like a black Cape Cape.
• 40:35
  I have one and put that on. OK, you can walk around and I
• 40:38
  don't care. That's fine.
• 40:39
  I. Was going to say while the
• 40:40
  inside of town you just walk around with that Cape and that
• 40:42
  helmet all week. That's it.
• 40:44
  I'm going to carve my pumpkin like that.
• 40:47
  Oh, that's awesome. That's a good idea.
• 40:49
  There you go. You don't want to have to get
• 40:50
  the eyes straight or. Anything.
• 40:52
  No. Nothing.
• 40:52
  You wanted nothing. You don't even have to carve
• 40:54
  your pumpkin. Just put the mask on it.
• 40:56
  This is the way, right? That's cute.
• 41:03
  That's cute. OK, listeners, we have a
• 41:11
  question for you. What was it that got you into
• 41:15
  Star Wars and what is it that you love that's keeping you into
• 41:19
  Star Wars? If you're new to the fandom,
• 41:21
  we've been here a long time. Yes.
• 41:24
  And we got in through the OT. So if you're new to the fandom,
• 41:28
  we're curious what is bringing you in?
• 41:30
  What is the new thing? That's catching your attention.
• 41:34
  And why do you stay? And next week it's MTK Tuesday
• 41:39
  on Halloween. So we thought we've never done
• 41:42
  this before because it never really quite lined up.
• 41:45
  But we thought we would talk about all of the weird, spooky,
• 41:50
  witchy, spellboundy kind of things that are the elements in
• 41:54
  Star Wars that we could Halloweenify.
• 41:57
  They're just spooky elements. We got zombies.
• 41:59
  We got witches. We got ghosts.
• 42:02
  So join us next week. We will talk about all of the
• 42:05
  Halloween things, spooky things, which is ghosts, et cetera in
• 42:09
  the Clone Wars that we can think of and we'll Halloween Ify it
• 42:12
  for you on Halloween itself. So join us.
• 42:17
  All right, so last week we asked everybody what their favorite
• 42:20
  snarky Obi Wan moments were from The Clone Wars, and we got a lot
• 42:24
  of responses. Yes, because there's a lot of
• 42:26
  snarky comments. One of my favorite responses was
• 42:29
  from James Donald Taylor himself.
• 42:31
  Yes. He said.
• 42:32
  I have a good feeling about this.
• 42:35
  That's, that's that's excellent. Thank you, James.
• 42:38
  He would know, right? Yeah, right.
• 42:41
  So just a few from our Instagram.
• 42:44
  Mary Ann Chaz says Season seven Episode 2.
• 42:47
  I hope you at least told Padme I said hello.
• 42:51
  Yeah, that's a good one. That's a real good one.
• 42:54
  Good nighty Southwest, said Obi Wan to Anakin.
• 42:58
  At least you're a master at getting caught.
• 43:01
  That's that. I thought of that one.
• 43:03
  I I did think of that one when we were when I was going through
• 43:06
  the episodes and I I I heard that one.
• 43:08
  I watched that scene. I was like, that's a good one.
• 43:10
  Yep. And so be 1 Shady, yeah.
• 43:14
  Oh, I know. Goldie on Spotify said I love
• 43:23
  all of the ones you said, and I can't choose from the Mandalore
• 43:26
  arc. Two of my many faves is Shall we
• 43:29
  discuss your surrender again, which I thought of after he.
• 43:34
  Catches that lightsaber, yes, and ignites it.
• 43:37
  That's a good one. And then you haven't really
• 43:40
  impressed me today, which is classic Obi Wan.
• 43:43
  Classic. Well, that's a good one.
• 43:45
  I'm going to use that one. There you go.
• 43:47
  So thank you to all the folks who gave us comments.
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