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MICA MILLER PASTOR HUSBAND ARRESTED: GRIM MUG SHOT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Pastor J. P. Miller arrested.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. God hates divorce. But why?
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Speaker 2: According to everybody I've asked and the scriptures that I've found,
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Speaker 2: it's because it hurts people.
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Speaker 3: But does abuse hurt people?
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Speaker 4: How do you think God feels about that?
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Speaker 5: I was thinking, any NUMU one one, what's the address
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Speaker 5: of your emergency?
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Speaker 6: I have my location on I think on my phone.
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Speaker 6: I just want my family to know where to find me.
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Speaker 7: You you're cracking JP.
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Speaker 1: Your BEPI as coming.
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Speaker 8: We told you, yea.
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Speaker 1: What is a pastor doing getting into a brawl in
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Speaker 1: the parking lot? According to reports, you just saw footage
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Speaker 1: from our friend and guess, Melissa Pfeiffer joining us, And
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Speaker 1: you saw footage from at the Robbie Harvey at the
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Speaker 1: Robbie Harvey joining me an all star panel to make
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Speaker 1: sense of what we are learning right now. But I'd
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Speaker 1: love to see that mudshot again. Is that possible? I
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Speaker 1: want to feast my eyes on that for just one moment.
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Speaker 1: This pastor comes to the forefront of our national conscious
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Speaker 1: after his wife commit suicide. Now many people do not
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Speaker 1: believe that she did commit suicide. And there he is
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Speaker 1: in all of his splendor and glory. John Paul Miller,
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Speaker 1: I still have the burning question, what is a pastor
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Speaker 1: doing in a brawl in the parking lot with me
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Speaker 1: and All Star panel. First, I want to go to
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Speaker 1: a special guest joining us. You just saw some of
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Speaker 1: her video, Melissa Pfeiffer, who filmed Miller's alleged assault. Melissa,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What happened.
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Speaker 9: We were there and we were on the side of
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Speaker 9: the sidewalk the aligned the church, and we were just
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Speaker 9: protesting at the time. We had there was a neighbor
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Speaker 9: that was out there that was talking to us, and
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Speaker 9: we were distracted and our backs were turned towards the
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Speaker 9: college and one of the young girls that was with
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Speaker 9: us turned around and said, that's JP. And when we
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Speaker 9: turned around, we saw him over there and it looks
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Speaker 9: to be like he was recording us, and at that
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Speaker 9: point when I turned my camera to him, he took
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Speaker 9: off in the other direction, and so one of the
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Speaker 9: fellow protesters, you know, she ran across the street because
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Speaker 9: that's where our cars are a parked, and we didn't
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Speaker 9: know what he was doing. We had no idea why
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Speaker 9: he was creeping up behind us or anything. So when
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Speaker 9: we went over there, as you see in the video,
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Speaker 9: like he was running away, he stopped, turned around or
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Speaker 9: charged at her, and you can hear her in the
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Speaker 9: video saying, you're in my personal face. And that's when
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Speaker 9: he said, what are you going to do? And he
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Speaker 9: hit the brim of her hat twice with their phone
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Speaker 9: while he was saying what are you going to do?
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Speaker 9: And that's when you see her, you know, go in
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Speaker 9: on him.
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Speaker 1: Wait, let me understand something. I'm gonna have to get
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Speaker 1: you to tell your story again because I wait, there
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Speaker 1: he is getting it? Oh wait, is that him? Did
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Speaker 1: I see him? Jackie? Was that him touching her hat?
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Speaker 1: I want to hear the whole thing again, Melissa, because
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Speaker 1: you were talking so quickly. I'm afraid I miss something,
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Speaker 1: but very quickly. I want to go to high profile. No, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: you were perfect. I just don't want to miss anything.
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Speaker 1: Regina Ward is joining US high profile lawyer and she
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Speaker 1: is representing Micah Miller's family law firm of Regina B. Ward. Regina,
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Speaker 1: I remember one l first year of law school, we
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Speaker 1: were talking about torts and one of the cases we studied.
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Speaker 1: It's a similar case in US law. This had to
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Speaker 1: do with a racist. There was a black male I believe,
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Speaker 1: with his wife at some luncheon like you know, kawanas
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Speaker 1: or rotary or something like that. And there was a buffet,
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Speaker 1: as there is because you know they meet at lunchtime,
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Speaker 1: and the victim had picked up a plate to go
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Speaker 1: through the buffet and another guy that did not want
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Speaker 1: the victim there went up and grabbed the plate out
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Speaker 1: of his hand, and that was deemed a battery because
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Speaker 1: if you touch something that is touching another person, like
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Speaker 1: the plate or like this woman's hat, that is considered
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Speaker 1: a battery.
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Speaker 10: Regina, Yes it is, and him charging her is an assault.
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Speaker 3: A lot of people think that an assault and battery
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Speaker 3: kind of go together, where you can have an assault
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Speaker 3: without a battery.
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Speaker 10: Always say that, you know, the definition of assault is
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Speaker 10: like when he charged putting a fear into somebody and
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Speaker 10: then raising your hand and is an assault. That unwanted touch,
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Speaker 10: even if it doesn't cause a bruise, a scratch or anything,
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Speaker 10: is an unwanted touch.
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Speaker 3: And that's ill.
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Speaker 1: It's what we call a simple battery. Now, if it
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Speaker 1: escalates or if a weapon is used. You point a
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Speaker 1: gun at someone, You don't shoot them, but you point
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Speaker 1: the gun at them. That is an aggravated assault. As
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Speaker 1: Regina just stated correctly, putting someone in fear of immediately
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Speaker 1: immediate bodily harm is an assault. If it's with a weapon,
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Speaker 1: even your fists, it's an aggravated assault. You can get
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Speaker 1: twenty years to life on that. In this case, it
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Speaker 1: would be a simple assault putting the woman in fear
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Speaker 1: or a simple battery, you know, grabbing her hat. Okay,
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Speaker 1: back to Melissa Pfeiffer, who filmed the incident. If I
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Speaker 1: could get the control room to please run it again.
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Speaker 1: As Melissa's talking, Lissa, there's been a lot of confusion
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Speaker 1: about what happened. You're an eyewitness. Tell me from the beginning.
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Speaker 9: So we were there and we were on the side
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Speaker 9: of the sidewalk that ben aligns with the church. We
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Speaker 9: were protesting, and one of the neighbors had walked up
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Speaker 9: to us and was talking to us, so our backs
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Speaker 9: were turned towards the college. We couldn't see behind us, obviously,
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Speaker 9: and then one of the girls that was with us
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Speaker 9: had turned around and said, that's JP, And so when
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Speaker 9: we all turned around, we saw him and he was
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Speaker 9: like on the sidewalk part across the street at the school,
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Speaker 9: and it looked to be like he was possibly recording us.
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Speaker 9: I don't know exactly what he was trying to do,
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Speaker 9: nor do I know how long he was back there for.
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Speaker 9: When we turned around and put in our cameras at him, he.
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Speaker 11: Went to run off towards where his truck was, and
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Speaker 11: that's when the other protester who he assaulted was across uh.
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Speaker 11: She went to run across the street to see what
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Speaker 11: was going on because we didn't know why he was
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Speaker 11: over there, and that's where we parked, and you know,
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Speaker 11: seeing the videos, she she's running at him, but she
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Speaker 11: stopped at the cars well within a healthy distance away
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Speaker 11: from him, and then he stops in the track, turns
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Speaker 11: around and charges at her, and you see her put
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Speaker 11: her hands behind her back and she stands there and
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Speaker 11: you hear her on the video say you're in my
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Speaker 11: personal face, and.
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Speaker 9: He was in her face saying what are you going
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Speaker 9: to do? What are you going to do? And then
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Speaker 9: he hit the brim of her hat with his phone
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Speaker 9: two times, and then he went to walk off, and
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Speaker 9: she that's when she ran behind him telling her him
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Speaker 9: he didn't get to touch her.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay. Jackie here in the studio has a legal
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Speaker 1: question REGENEA Ward, and it's a good one. She wants
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Speaker 1: to know if an assault or battery charge on Miller
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Speaker 1: is appropriate if the victim was following him, And my
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Speaker 1: answer would be yes. I mean, let's just take a
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Speaker 1: street in Manhattan, for instance, people are this close together walking.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's really packed. It's not a crime or
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Speaker 1: any sort of a torte to be walking closely behind someone. Also,
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Speaker 1: she stopped walking behind him, and he got a distance away,
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Speaker 1: and then he turned around and charged at her. We
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Speaker 1: just saw that on the video.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 10: In fact, because he was so far away, he had
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Speaker 10: an opportunity to leave the scene altogether and avoid any confrontation.
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Speaker 3: He took it upon himself.
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Speaker 10: Of course, he responded, probably from an emotional standpoint, turned
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Speaker 10: around and came back towards the woman, so that when
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Speaker 10: he was on the other side of the parking lot,
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Speaker 10: he had what we call an opportunity to leave. You know,
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Speaker 10: don't go back into a dangerous situation.
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Speaker 3: You walk away. Not saying that was a dangerous situation in.
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Speaker 10: This case, but when you have you know, the opportunity
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Speaker 10: to leave and avoid that confrontation. He certainly had the
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Speaker 10: ability to do that, seemed and appeared to already be
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Speaker 10: doing that, but at some point he got emotional and
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Speaker 10: turned around and came back and wanted to confront or
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Speaker 10: talk about whatever was he thought that upset him.
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Speaker 3: That he heard someone.
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Speaker 1: Say, well, of course, John Paul Miller's attorney, Russell Long,
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Speaker 1: is calling his arrest quote outrageous. Listen.
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Speaker 5: Miller's attorney, Russell Long is calling Miller's arrest outrageous and
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Speaker 5: alleges that the women recording Miller make tying comments in
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Speaker 5: attempts to bait and coerce Miller. Long claims the city
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Speaker 5: of Myrtle Beach has failed Miller and Solid Rock Church
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Speaker 5: by allowing protesters to stalk and harassment Miller and his
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Speaker 5: church goers, effectively killing the church. Long says Miller's arrest
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Speaker 5: will only provide protesters with more bait and purpose and
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Speaker 5: worries that they will not stop.
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Speaker 1: I don't think the protesters are what is killing the church.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace again joining me in All
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Speaker 1: Star panel straight out to Lauren Conlin joining us if
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Speaker 1: it's to get a reporter and co host of Prime
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Speaker 1: Time Crime on YouTube. You can find her a Pop
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Speaker 1: Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for being with us. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you're familiar with this, but sticks and
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Speaker 1: stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand this. His lawyer is claiming that
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Speaker 1: women protesting taunted him with comments and that they're the
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Speaker 1: bad guys.
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Speaker 8: Yes, apparently the women that are protesting for Micah are
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Speaker 8: the bad guys in this situation. He said they baited him.
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Speaker 8: John Paul Miller is supposed to be a fan. You're
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Speaker 8: in the community. He is a pastor. He is not
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Speaker 8: supposed to be baited. And look, I understand that he
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Speaker 8: is a human being. But I did find it so
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Speaker 8: interesting Nancy when Ruffong said that the community of Myrtle
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Speaker 8: Beach was failing John Paul Miller and failing his church members. Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 8: what church are we talking about here? Are we talking
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Speaker 8: about solid rock? Because as of last week, there is
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Speaker 8: no longer a solid rock web. Let's say, there's not
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Speaker 8: a social media So who has these protesters failed?
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Speaker 12: Exactly?
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Speaker 1: Back to Melissa Pfeiffer joining us, who videoed this the
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Speaker 1: alleged assault on a protester, wess again, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. You hear that his lawyer is claiming
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Speaker 1: that you and the other protesters are the problem, that
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Speaker 1: you are harassing JP Miller, and that you are harassing
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Speaker 1: the church members, and that you have quote killed the church.
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Speaker 1: What's your response.
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Speaker 9: I think the FBI rating JP's house is what took
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Speaker 9: down his church. What do you mean by that We're
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Speaker 9: not harassing. I mean, they just it's not a good
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Speaker 9: look to have your pastor be rated by the FBI.
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Speaker 9: What have you done that? I mean, it's a concerning
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Speaker 9: statement that he would say that we are to the
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Speaker 9: reason for the church shutting down instead of saying it's
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Speaker 9: his clients action.
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious as to how you respond to his
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Speaker 1: lawyer claiming that you are and the others other protesters
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Speaker 1: are harassing the church members. Yeah.
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Speaker 9: They've been saying that since the beginning, that we are
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Speaker 9: harassing the church members, and I guess that they think
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Speaker 9: that because we chan't, that means we're harassing the church members.
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Speaker 9: I'm not harassing anybody. I'm exercising my First Amendment rights
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Speaker 9: and I am protesting. There's never been violence from our
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Speaker 9: side There's never been any any charges on any of
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Speaker 9: the protesters. There's never been any violence from our side.
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Speaker 9: But what there has been is violence from his church
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Speaker 9: members and violence from him.
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Speaker 1: I've got a question, Melissa Pfeiffer, why are you protesting
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Speaker 1: you and the others? What do you hope to achieve.
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Speaker 13: For me?
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Speaker 9: We all have our reasons for being out there. One
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Speaker 9: form or another of my story.
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Speaker 11: Has touched us each.
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Speaker 9: We've all been through things. And I protest because something
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Speaker 9: is not right and I want the truth to come out,
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Speaker 9: and I need for justice for my good to be served,
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Speaker 9: and I need him to be held a acountable for
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Speaker 9: whatever it is. He is guilty of whatever whatever he
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Speaker 9: has done, they can be proven. He needs to be
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Speaker 9: held accountable for that, and Micah deserves justice.
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Speaker 4: I just want to let you know that I'm alive
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Speaker 4: and well, and I'm going through a lot and it's hard.
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Speaker 14: Micah Miller files for divorce after discovering multiple affairs by
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Speaker 14: her pastor husband. Micah says in the divorce filing that
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Speaker 14: she was a faithful and dutiful wife and that she
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Speaker 14: was quote devoted to their church and marriage.
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Speaker 4: It's been kind of crazy, a couple past weeks, months years.
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Speaker 12: At Miller's arraignment, the victim's attorney asks the judge for
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Speaker 12: a no contact order, but their quest is denied. Miller's attorney,
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Speaker 12: Russell long And sists Miller did not assault the protester
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Speaker 12: and renews his call for help to stop the harassment
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Speaker 12: and stalking of Miller and his parishioners. John Paul Miller
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Speaker 12: secures a seven hundred and seventy six dollars bond for
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Speaker 12: the misdemeanor assault charge and is released after spending the
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Speaker 12: night in jail. Miller is due back in court on
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Speaker 12: the charges next month.
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Speaker 1: I find it very interesting that the alleged victim in
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Speaker 1: this case wanted a no contact order and didn't get one.
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Speaker 1: Her tires were flatted, a tracking device is placed on
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Speaker 1: her vehicle. I know this because JP Miller apologized reportedly
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Speaker 1: for doing that. Her semi nude shot was taken without
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Speaker 1: her knowledge and posted on some fetish website by JP Miller.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he took the photo, if she
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Speaker 1: knew he took the photo, but she certainly did not
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Speaker 1: know he was posting it on a fetish website, and
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Speaker 1: he also apologized for that. None of these were ever
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Speaker 1: pros acuted. So now you have one of the protesters,
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Speaker 1: the alleged victim, asking for a no contact order to
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Speaker 1: be put on the Reverend JP Miller, but the judge refuses.
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Speaker 1: He's also been released on seven hundred and seventy six
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Speaker 1: dollars bond. I mean, Lauren Comin, they might as well
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Speaker 1: have just given him no bond for Pete's sake, just
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Speaker 1: let him walk out or released unrecognisance.
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Speaker 8: Yes, I meant to point out earlier, Nancy, that this
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Speaker 8: is not his first mugshot. He was arrested back in
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Speaker 8: nineteen ninety eight for assault and battery. It was later
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Speaker 8: dismissed and he got community service, and then he was
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Speaker 8: arrested again for driving with a suspended license. And I
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Speaker 8: believe he spent sixty days in jail, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, with the wife dead and a previous wife claiming
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Speaker 1: that she was abused in various manners. I don't know
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Speaker 1: why the judge didn't give this alleged victim a no
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Speaker 1: contact order. But that said, we now know more about
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Speaker 1: the FBI raid on Miller's home.
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Speaker 5: Pastor John Paul Miller isn't home when the FBI Evidence
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Speaker 5: Response team shows up to raid his South Carolina home.
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Speaker 5: The FBI won't say what they're looking for in FBI
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Speaker 5: spokesman Kevin Wheeler tells USA Today the FBI is conducting
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Speaker 5: court authorized law enforcement activity, been due to the ongoing
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Speaker 5: nature of the investigation, will be providing no for their
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Speaker 5: comments on the matter. The lawyer for pastor John Paul Miller,
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Speaker 5: Russell Long, claims the FBI is on a fishing expedition.
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Speaker 5: There was no affidavit attached to the search warrant, therefore,
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Speaker 5: I have no idea what it's in relation to. All
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Speaker 5: day long, members of the FBI's Evidence Response team go
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Speaker 5: in and out of the home carrying paper bags and
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Speaker 5: other items from the home.
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Speaker 1: Is the church alive and well? Seemingly not? Joining me?
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Speaker 1: Doctor Marlena Raiba, a forensic psychologist who actually lives down
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Speaker 1: the street from the church. What's happening at that church now? Doctor?
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Speaker 15: At this time, it looks like the church is pretty
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Speaker 15: much vacant. I believe it was the last weekend, or
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Speaker 15: maybe two weekends ago, it appeared that they were moving
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Speaker 15: a lot of the belongings out of the church, So
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Speaker 15: it looks like they are sort of packing up and
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Speaker 15: maybe going to a different locations. There's also rumors that
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Speaker 15: they may be changing to a virtual sort of platform.
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Speaker 15: So beyond that, I can't really speculate, but I can
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Speaker 15: tell you that every Sunday there are barricades around the church.
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Speaker 1: Part of that because.
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Speaker 15: Of the Justice for Mica protesters, and the police is
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Speaker 15: out there. So, you know, it's also kind of interesting
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Speaker 15: to me that the allegations from JP Miller would be
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Speaker 15: that the city of Myrtle Beach isn't doing enough to
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Speaker 15: kind of stop the harassment. It appears to me that,
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Speaker 15: you know, they're actually out there every weekend making sure
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Speaker 15: that the tensions don't escalate. And as he's proven to us,
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Speaker 15: you know, just with this recent arrest, we now know
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Speaker 15: that he's capable of sort of escalating things, potentially to
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Speaker 15: a physical level when challenged or questioned.
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Speaker 1: You know, I find all of this extremely probative, doctor Riba,
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Speaker 1: because many people do not believe that Micah committed suicide.
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Speaker 1: Others believe that she was driven to suicide by her husband,
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Speaker 1: the Reverend JP Miller, And there is precedent in our
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Speaker 1: country for prosecuting someone who drives another to suicide. You know,
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Speaker 1: we were talking briefly about the FBI raid, and that
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Speaker 1: would have been on Miller's home. It's never a good thing,
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Speaker 1: as I like to say, when you look out your
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Speaker 1: kitchen window and you see the FBI coming through your trash, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're in trouble. They did a full on raid on
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Speaker 1: his home. Regina Ward, the attorney from like his family,
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Speaker 1: saw part of that raid. What were they taking out, Regina? Oh?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I was there, and they took out lots of
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Speaker 10: different things in terms of but mostly it was packaged, sealed, covered.
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Speaker 3: In bags, small bags, big bags. There were boxes that
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Speaker 3: came out as well.
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Speaker 10: I saw them take out one thing that was not
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Speaker 10: covered was all in one computer from and put that
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Speaker 10: in the evidence truck. There were multiple things that they
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Speaker 10: brought out. At some point they closed the garage store too,
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Speaker 10: so they must have been filtering through.
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Speaker 3: That and taking out other evidents from there.
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Speaker 10: The day that John Paul Miller was released from jail
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Speaker 10: on bond, that just happened to be or the seventh
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Speaker 10: year anniversary their wedding anniversary.
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Speaker 3: So I thought to myself, Mine, what.
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Speaker 10: A wonderful gift he gave her walking out of there
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Speaker 10: with this mugshot all over the world.
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Speaker 16: I've had a lot of women that have reached out
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Speaker 16: to me about situations of abuse, and I just want
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Speaker 16: to tell you what a lot of people have told
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Speaker 16: me lately and reminded me because I think I forgot,
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Speaker 16: I knew, but for I pushed it in the back
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Speaker 16: of my head.
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Speaker 4: Just because of my situation.
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Speaker 1: But you are the.
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Speaker 4: Bride of Christ.
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Speaker 1: God hates divorce. But why?
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Speaker 2: According to everybody I've asked and the scriptures that I've found,
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Speaker 2: it's because it hurts people.
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Speaker 1: But does abuse hurt people?
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Speaker 4: How do you think God feels about that?
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Speaker 5: Micah Miller is born in which Kansas and grows up
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Speaker 5: as an adventurous, energetic, and giving person, always a hard worker.
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Speaker 5: She gets to know her future husband when she is
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Speaker 5: just fifteen years old and he is her church youth leader.
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Speaker 17: Privately, she tells her sister she is afraid of John
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Speaker 17: Paul Miller, going so far as to tell her sister,
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Speaker 17: Sierra Francis, if I end up with a bullet in my.
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Speaker 1: Head, it was JP.
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Speaker 18: Attorney Regina Ward is also revealing that she received a
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Speaker 18: subpoena for a grand jury investigating John Paul Miller months
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Speaker 18: before the raid. Ward claims the documents she provided help
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Speaker 18: the FBI obtain the search warrant for John Paul Miller's home.
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Speaker 18: Ward is confident and indictment is coming, and reports that
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Speaker 18: a new potential witness has stepped forward as a result
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Speaker 18: of the search.
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Speaker 5: Agents overseeing the investigation are asking for any potential witnesses
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Speaker 5: and victims to come forward. Anyone with information is asked
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Speaker 5: to call the FBI Myrtle Beach at eight four three
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Speaker 5: six two six seven four seven six, or use the
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Speaker 5: FBI's online tip form.
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Speaker 1: All right, here we go a grand jury meeting calling
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Speaker 1: witnesses regarding an investigation of the Reverend J. P. Miller,
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Speaker 1: this after the suicide of his wife, Micah and joining
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Speaker 1: me Regina Ward, Michael Miller's family lawyer. What's it all about?
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Speaker 1: What are they investigating? Regina?
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Speaker 10: Well, the grand jury subpoena that I received asking for
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Speaker 10: me to appear.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to make this clear they were asking. It's
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Speaker 3: a subpoena, duch.
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Speaker 10: Just take what says that they want my documents and
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Speaker 10: the things that I have in my possession.
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Speaker 3: On page two it.
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Speaker 10: Lists multiple things that they want me to they wanted
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Speaker 10: me to produce relevant to certain situations and when I
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Speaker 10: would say certain types of crimes and my observation of it. However,
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Speaker 10: those are things that I will not and cannot reveal.
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Speaker 10: I don't want to, you know, interfere, leopardize an investigation whatsoever.
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Speaker 10: But they, you know, came and took all of my
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Speaker 10: entire file, everything that Micah gave me and everything else
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Speaker 10: that I had put together, even myself. I also wanted
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Speaker 10: to point out you've asked, you know, we've talked about
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Speaker 10: his adultery. It is a crime in South Carolina to
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Speaker 10: commit adultery. It's actually a statute that carries up to
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Speaker 10: one year in jail, which is pretty interesting. But also
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Speaker 10: the other thing is we talked about the dissemination of
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Speaker 10: the photograph and South Carolina we're the only.
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Speaker 3: State that doesn't have a law against that.
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Speaker 10: Now, we do have a law against disseminating, ob seeing
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Speaker 10: photos and you know, things like that, and it does
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Speaker 10: have a penalty, but it's really geared toward the person
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Speaker 10: receiving it did not want to receive it. The law
25:52
Speaker 10: that we have doesn't necessarily address where the photograph came from.
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Speaker 10: It only addresses, really like the receipt be someone who
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Speaker 10: sees it if they're offended by it.
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Speaker 1: So I don't want to pry into what was the
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Speaker 1: target of the subpoena. Duca's teacum, which is, you know,
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Speaker 1: typically we hear about subpoenas for you to show up
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Speaker 1: to court a duke's team is to bring documents or objects.
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Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, in which direction do
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Speaker 1: you believe the grand jury is going. Are they looking
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Speaker 1: for some type of fraud, Are they looking for transporting
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Speaker 1: miners across state lines for the purposes of sex? Are
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Speaker 1: they looking for underage sex activity? Where do you think
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Speaker 1: they're headed? And is it a federal grand jury or
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Speaker 1: a local grand jury.
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Speaker 10: It was a federal grand jury, and it was a
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Speaker 10: subpoena to appear with an alternate to bring documents, So
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Speaker 10: I want to make that clear. And I was able
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Speaker 10: to provide you with the waivers so you don't have
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Speaker 10: to appear before the grand jury. I just submit all
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Speaker 10: of my documents and the investigator, excuse me, the agent
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Speaker 10: that's assigned to it, and the prosecutor. They're the ones
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Speaker 10: that present it to the grand jury in order to
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Speaker 10: get the search warrant.
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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, in the midst of all of this, we
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Speaker 1: are learning that JP Miller reportedly already has a girlfriend.
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Speaker 18: Myrtle Beach, South Carolina is buzzing with rumors that Pastor
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Speaker 18: John Paul Miller is dating again and has possibly even remarried.
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Speaker 18: Miller was previously seen out to dinner with a member
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Speaker 18: of his congregation just four days after Micah Miller's suicide.
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Speaker 18: Less than twenty four hours after his home is rated
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Speaker 18: by the FBI, Miller is seen with the same woman
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Speaker 18: having lunch at McAllister's Delhi. This time, the pair cap
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Speaker 18: their distance and appear tense when entering and leaving the.
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Speaker 5: Restaurant, claiming he's still wearing the ring he wed Micah with.
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Speaker 5: Miller laughed off reporter's questions about his love life, saying
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Speaker 5: he's quote still dealing with Micah, still dealing with Micah.
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Speaker 1: His wife is dead, and he refers to that as
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Speaker 1: still dealing with Micah. You know. Joining me is a
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Speaker 1: well known a veteran law enforcement detective, owner and chief
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Speaker 1: investigator for Barry and Associates Investigation Services. Barry Hutchinson is
28:21
Speaker 1: joining us and you can find him online at pibarrybar
28:25
Speaker 1: Ry dot com. Barry, This thing stinks to High Heaven.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Barry this guy, Pastor Miller immediately has a
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Speaker 1: girlfriend after Micah's apparent suicide, and when asked about it,
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Speaker 1: he says, I'm still dealing with Micah. That's not a
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Speaker 1: good look. No, it's not a crime, but it sure
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Speaker 1: doesn't look good when you're in the middle of a
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Speaker 1: grand jury probe.
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Speaker 19: You know you made the comment of jumping out of
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Speaker 19: a frying pan into the fire. I want to add
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Speaker 19: something to you that not only are you doing that,
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Speaker 19: but you're doing it in gas soaped underwear.
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Speaker 3: You know, this guy.
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Speaker 19: He's uh, you know, he's as dirty as they can
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Speaker 19: get they I agree with you on thousand percent. The
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Speaker 19: guy he's dirty. I mean, there's something wrong with this
29:13
Speaker 19: entire situation. I can't say what I actually want to
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Speaker 19: say about him, but it's not a good situation. I'll
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Speaker 19: just leave it at that.
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Speaker 1: Straight back out to Lauren Colin joining us. Lauren the
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Speaker 1: woman at issue, Okay, the one that he's having lunch with.
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Speaker 1: He's been spotted around town with her very soon after
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Speaker 1: Micah's suicide. Now question where exactly were they seen. Most recently,
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Speaker 1: it was.
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Speaker 8: At a restaurant a few days after Micah's death, that
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Speaker 8: they were first seen by the public, and then the
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Speaker 8: day that JP's house got rated by the FBI, they
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Speaker 8: were seen having lunch.
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Speaker 1: Let me be clear, we cannot prove in any way
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Speaker 1: that these two are having an affair. For all I
30:02
Speaker 1: know they're bonding over their respective spouses committing suicide. We
30:08
Speaker 1: don't know that. But what I do know is that
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Speaker 1: Solid Rock Church appears to be over listen.
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Speaker 5: It appears Pastor John Paul Miller and other staff members
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Speaker 5: are emptying Solid Rock Church, likely due to the scrutiny
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Speaker 5: of the organization is under while Miller faces accusations that
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Speaker 5: he drove his wife, Micah to suicide. Miller's Faith First
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Speaker 5: School is also cleared, with staff posting online that members
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Speaker 5: of the congregation are welcome to anything they want. Solid
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Speaker 5: Rock sign has also been taken down.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 18: Author and Master Certified Professional coach Sarah McDougall says Micah
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Speaker 18: Miller did not kill herself, saying we don't really know
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Speaker 18: who pull the trigger and conceding that Micah Miller may
31:02
Speaker 18: very well have. McDougall says, even if Micah Miller did
31:06
Speaker 18: technically pull the trigger, Micah Miller did not kill herself.
31:09
Speaker 18: McDougall says sworn testimony of family and friends confirms her
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Speaker 18: non suicidal state of mind prior to her death, and
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Speaker 18: the fact that she had recently shipped belongings to Africa
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Speaker 18: to start fresh doing mission service overseas all point to
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Speaker 18: Micah Miller not being suicidal at the time she killed herself.
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Speaker 1: I am the only one not to blame. I'm the
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Speaker 1: only one who tried to help her, keep her alive
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Speaker 1: with me. She never commiss was I with me? She's happy,
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Speaker 1: healthy hole That last bit Miller speaking and claiming he's
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Speaker 1: the only one that kept her alive. That's our friends
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Speaker 1: at WPDEABC fifteen two. Doctor jan Gorniac joining us a
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Speaker 1: renowned medical examiner at the Clark County Office of Corner.
31:55
Speaker 1: That's where she practiced most of her time. That's Vegas,
31:58
Speaker 1: never a lack of business and the morgue there, doctor Gorniac.
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Speaker 1: As of now, her death has been ruled a suicide.
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Speaker 1: To prove that, you're going to have to look at
32:10
Speaker 1: a body that had been submerged in water. So how
32:13
Speaker 1: would you find, for instance, stippling gunshot residue burning around
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Speaker 1: the wound or gunshot residue. On the hand, how would
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Speaker 1: you determine that's a suicide if all of the gunshot
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Speaker 1: residue is gone, having been submerged in water, Doctor.
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Speaker 13: Gorniac well, in order to determine manner death, And that's
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Speaker 13: what we're talking about when we say suicide with something
32:38
Speaker 13: toruled a suicide, we're talking about manner death. The manner
32:41
Speaker 13: death comes from the circumstances. So it's not just the body,
32:45
Speaker 13: it's the circumstances that we have to know. So you
32:49
Speaker 13: said that you was in water, is the gun still there?
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Speaker 13: We also have to look into someone's medical history there
32:58
Speaker 13: are any stressors. So for instance, besides the medical history,
33:03
Speaker 13: when you say medical history, you think about diabetes or
33:06
Speaker 13: high blood pressure, but we also have to talk about
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Speaker 13: mental health history. And then also we always have to
33:12
Speaker 13: ask has there been any suicide ideations, any talk about suicide?
33:18
Speaker 13: Have there been any attempts at suicide prior attempts? So
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Speaker 13: all of that comes into play. So we can look
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Speaker 13: at the body. Some of the stuff might be washed away,
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Speaker 13: like you said, the soot, but the skin's still going
33:31
Speaker 13: to be burned if it's a close contact wound. Also
33:35
Speaker 13: we can look at the bone. There might be foot
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Speaker 13: on the bone underneath, and that would say it's a
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Speaker 13: close contact wound. Also, but in order to call something
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Speaker 13: a suicide, it's more dependent on the circumstances than it
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Speaker 13: is the wound itself. But I mean, obviously we have
33:52
Speaker 13: to make sure the wound matches. Now we have a
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Speaker 13: excuse me, a gunshot wound that is a distant gunshot
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Speaker 13: wound at the back of the head, most likely not
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Speaker 13: a suicide. So part of our job is to prove
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Speaker 13: or disprove the circumstances. So a gunshot wound, close contact,
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Speaker 13: right to left, left to right, whatever the direction is,
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Speaker 13: that's more consistent with a suicide. But that's in conjunction
34:19
Speaker 13: with the circumstances.
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Speaker 1: Now interesting that in this case doctor Gorniac, her own
34:25
Speaker 1: family says that she feared for her life, that she
34:28
Speaker 1: would never make it through the divorce alive. Those are
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Speaker 1: MICA's words, not mine. We have president in the US
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Speaker 1: regarding those individuals that drive someone obviously probatively drive someone
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Speaker 1: to suicide, like Michelle.
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Speaker 5: Carter Conrad Royd then Michelle Carter connect over both being
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Speaker 5: diagnosed with depression, and when roy tells Carter he wants
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Speaker 5: to kill himself. She encourages him to do it, deciding
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Speaker 5: to use a generator in his truck and die by
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Speaker 5: carbon monoxide. Michelle Carter helps him decide on where to
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Speaker 5: arc his truck so he could die. As carbon monoxide
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Speaker 5: begins to fill his drug cabin. Conrad Roy the Third
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Speaker 5: gets out, texting Michelle Carter he'll do it another day.
35:08
Speaker 5: Carter text to Roy, are challenging, telling him he overthinks things.
35:12
Speaker 5: Carter texts, Roy, you just said you were gonna do
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Speaker 5: it tonight and now you're saying eventually. Carter tells Roy
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Speaker 5: to get back in the truck. Authorities discovered the body
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Speaker 5: of Conrad Roy the Third in his pickup truck parked
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Speaker 5: outside of kmart at Fairhaven, Massachusetts, the next day. He
35:27
Speaker 5: was eighteen.
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Speaker 1: She was prosecuted for driving her very young and inexperienced
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Speaker 1: boyfriend to suicide. If you had seen the text that
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Speaker 1: she sent him, just do it. What are you waiting for?
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Speaker 1: Are you going to do it? Well? He did it
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Speaker 1: and now he's dead and she went to jail. Mimi
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Speaker 1: argue that Pastor Miller drove his wife to suicide.
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Speaker 5: Listen Michael Miller's best friend remembers being dragged into one
35:54
Speaker 5: of many marital fights instigated by loving husband Pastor John
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Speaker 5: Paul Miller. Charlotte Corn binds herself in a group tanks
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Speaker 5: with the couple after Miller presses Micah on an odd question.
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Speaker 1: Okay, baiting, baiting her, but this is what happened. Talk
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Speaker 1: about a head game. Listen.
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Speaker 5: Miller continues on this tirade, spiraling into a huge fight.
36:14
Speaker 5: Michah leaves to cool off, and that's when Miller threatens
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Speaker 5: to follow Michah to her sister's home, well armed, and
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Speaker 5: donate all of Michaeh's belongings if she doesn't return home immediately.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something in Regina Ward, this is
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Speaker 1: just one of the many mind games. Pastor Miller reportedly,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he would deny all of this if he
36:35
Speaker 1: were to join us, which he declined. Regina Ward baiting her,
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Speaker 1: and then he turned it around on her.
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Speaker 10: Yes, that's a classic tactic control, a classic tactic.
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Speaker 3: Of a control course of control. Person.
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Speaker 10: They're always baiting, pushing, pushing tribed ideas in your head
36:54
Speaker 10: to make you feel crazy, to get you to come
36:57
Speaker 10: in and to their little snare so then they can
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Speaker 10: whip it around on you.
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Speaker 3: It's a coercial control tactic.
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Speaker 10: She's quite frequently and based on the evidence that I
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Speaker 10: have that Michaeh left with me, in the history of
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Speaker 10: mister Miller, this was nothing unusual. Was it the first
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Speaker 10: time and probably wasn't the last time, And I wouldn't
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Speaker 10: be surprised that he used the same type of tactics
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Speaker 10: on her on.
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Speaker 3: The day that she passed.
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Speaker 14: After Micah's tires have been slashed and a GPS tracker
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Speaker 14: is removed from her car, she gets an apology email
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Speaker 14: from John Paul Miller. In the apology email, pastor John
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Speaker 14: Paul Miller tells his estranged wife, quote, when someone hurts me,
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Speaker 14: I try to hurt them back rather than forgive. He
37:40
Speaker 14: goes on to say, quote instead of forgiving you, I
37:44
Speaker 14: just attack and try to cause pain.
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Speaker 1: A GPS tracker placed on her car, her tires slashed.
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Speaker 1: Was she driven to commit suicide? And that's not all? Listen.
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Speaker 17: Micah contacted police after her estrange husband posted an indecent
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Speaker 17: photo of her on a Facebook group called Big Boobs
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Speaker 17: and Nice Curves. Police told Micah since the photo was
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Speaker 17: posted anonymously. There was nothing they could do. John Paul
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Speaker 17: Miller apologized to Micah via email, telling her I'm sorry
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Speaker 17: for putting a picture of you on the internet. He added,
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Speaker 17: I just wanted to try and hurt you. He also
38:19
Speaker 17: included it was evil of me to do that.
38:22
Speaker 1: Hey know. Doctor Marlena Raba is with US forensic psychologist
38:25
Speaker 1: and research consultant. Doctor Marlena part of part of the
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Speaker 1: whole series of assaults in the sense of slashing tires,
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Speaker 1: putting a track, or posting her semi nude on some
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Speaker 1: fetish website is that it's someone that you trust and
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Speaker 1: that you love, which in my mind makes it so
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Speaker 1: much worse. Yep, you're absolutely correct.
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Speaker 15: And I think when you're thinking about someone with these
38:57
Speaker 15: sort of personality characteristics that are that do align sort
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Speaker 15: of with narcissism and kind of this very ego centric
39:09
Speaker 15: way of being, right, there's this need of control. They
39:14
Speaker 15: tend to disregard the feelings of others. They're insensitive to
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Speaker 15: the memory of Mica and so you know, even some
39:23
Speaker 15: of the behaviors that we saw in in in the church, right,
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Speaker 15: a lot of that seems to mimic some of those behaviors,
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Speaker 15: and you're right in that it is so much worse
39:37
Speaker 15: because that person is sort of taking that person's on,
39:40
Speaker 15: that individual's vulnerabilities and exploiting them.
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Speaker 1: Melissa five for joining us who has been outside the
39:48
Speaker 1: church protesting? Melissa, what exactly about all of this makes
39:55
Speaker 1: you feel you need to go out and protest.
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Speaker 9: Everything, everything that Micah has said?
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Speaker 11: We all of us that are out there processing.
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Speaker 9: We believe Micah, and she's not here anymore. And I
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Speaker 9: believe that if we stay quiet, and I believe that
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Speaker 9: this will will be washed away. It needs attention. It
40:19
Speaker 9: can't just we can't play bystander effect.
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Speaker 1: We know that a grand jury is meeting and the
40:27
Speaker 1: target of that grand jury is John Paul Miller. We
40:33
Speaker 1: also know that Micah's death has been ruled a suicide.
40:37
Speaker 1: What exactly is going on behind those grand jury walls,
40:42
Speaker 1: secret proceedings? Is this arrest for simple as salt and
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Speaker 1: battery just the beginning? We wait as just as simples,
40:53
Speaker 1: And let me remind everyone in our country, you are innocent,
41:00
Speaker 1: absolutely innocent, until you are proven guilty beyond a reasonable
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Speaker 1: doubt in a court of law. As of right now,
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Speaker 1: Miller is innocent in the eyes of the law. Let's
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Speaker 1: just see what happens. Thank you to our guests for
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Speaker 1: being with us, but especially to you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,