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- 0:27welcome. This is Financial Survival Network. I'm your host, Carrie Lutts.
- 0:32Well, we got a recession. If it's not here already, it'll be
- 0:36here very shortly. And basically, what do you do to prepare for it?
- 0:42If you are a business owner, how do you get ready for what's
- 0:47about to hit? And Grant Let's says with us the grant, you're a
- 0:52financial planner and you work with the small businesses in money management, in retirement
- 1:00planning, in cash flow management, etc. So let me ask you a
- 1:06question. Is the recession coming? You know it? Probably you know you
- 1:11as you as you put it. You know we might be there already if
- 1:14you look at all the numbers. We're not quite there, but things seem
- 1:15to be slowing down a little bit. What we're doing with our clients at
- 1:19this point and just to provide our listeners a little bit of context. I
- 1:23run a financial planning firm. We work with business owners to help them optimize
- 1:26cash flow, reduce taxes, and invest prudently. And so for that demographic,
- 1:33a lot of small businesses really struggle with how to handle their cash,
- 1:37both in good times and bad. And I think a framework that really works
- 1:41well for business owners in any economic environment is probably applicable now. And regardless
- 1:49of whether we're headed into a recession or not, or whether we're already in
- 1:53one or not. I think everybody needs a good framework for handling cash,
- 1:59and I can describe what that is if that's helpful, but from my perspective,
- 2:05the how people handle that is kind of irrelevant. You need an operating
- 2:09model that's going to work when the economy is working in your favor and when
- 2:15it's not, because that's simply something that's not in our day to day control.
- 2:20So a lot of this comes down to how your business is organized.
- 2:23If you have a pass through entity, either a sole proprietorship or an LLC
- 2:30or an S corporation, it doesn't matter from a tax perspective whether cash in
- 2:35your company's bank account stays in the bank account at the end of the year,
- 2:38or whether you take it out and pay yourself. And one thing that
- 2:42I think a lot of small businesses struggle with is when do I take cash
- 2:46out, how much do I pay myself? How much do I leave in
- 2:50the business account for operating purposes? And I think of it kind of as
- 2:54an emergency fund. The financial planning one on one for your personal finances,
- 3:00you need to start with a little bit of cash in his savings account available
- 3:05to you for a rainy day, so that you're not compelled to dip into
- 3:07your retirement accounts or your investments at an inconvenient time when the market is down.
- 3:13The same goes for your business, and I think most businesses should probably
- 3:19shoot for somewhere between three and six months worth of operating cash. So,
- 3:23if you pull your profit and law statement from QuickBooks or your bookkeeper, and
- 3:28you look at your ordinary monthly operating expenses, how much does the business need
- 3:32to survive? Multiply that by somewhere between three and six based on your comfort
- 3:38level, that's the amount of cash you ought to have in the business.
- 3:40And so the kind of long winded way to get back to your question carry
- 3:46is is I think i'd start with how much cash do you need for your
- 3:51business the emergency fund, and if we're expressing it as a function of your
- 3:54monthly operating expenses, if you're concerned about the fact that we might be headed
- 4:00into a recession, if your ordinary emergency fund is three months worth of operating
- 4:04expenses, well then you might let that swell to four or five or six
- 4:09in preparation of revenues drying up a little bit. Obviously, the other things
- 4:13you can look at are reducing those operating expenses or maybe changing your contracts with
- 4:18vendors to allow for you to pull back on those expenses a little bit if
- 4:24times could really get tough. But really, I think the core framework ought
- 4:28to revolve around how much cash do you have in the bank. If you
- 4:31have more than that amount of three, four or five six months worth of
- 4:34cash, that's when you think about pulling it out into your personal bank account
- 4:39and doing something else with it. Right, And when it comes to like
- 4:43receivable management, you know recessions coming, you know there's potentially going to be
- 4:48a cash shortage, and it's going to be harder for your clients to pay
- 4:51you. So maybe it's a good idea to put in incentives to get paid
- 4:57up front, to limit your extension of credit to all only those who are
- 5:03the most credit worthy, and that can help you get through it as well.
- 5:08Right, A great point. Yeah, this varies a lot by industry.
- 5:12You know, receivable management is more important in some industries than others.
- 5:15But yeah, I think we probably have to lower our expectations of how much
- 5:19of those receivables you'll be able to collect, and the more cash upfront that
- 5:24you can get, the better. And if the effect comes from some kind
- 5:28of an incentive program, maybe you reduced your prices a little bit for people
- 5:30who are willing to pay all up front, or your only extending credit to
- 5:36the most credit worthy the organizations. That that's another great avenue to consider,
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- 6:45to throw now more than member. A lot of it has to do with
- 6:50the cash management, a lot of it has to do with tax planning in
- 6:55their own personal financial planning. So the biggest, the biggest mistake or the
- 6:59big misconception I see is proprietor or entrepreneur goes out and starts this business and
- 7:04they assume that if I pour everything into the business and can make it a
- 7:10success, by definition, I will be financially successful myself. That definitely helps,
- 7:16right. Entrepreneurship is a wonderful lever of wealth building for a lot of
- 7:20people. It's a great way to become financially successful, but it is not
- 7:26an inevitability. You still have to do the work and put some money away
- 7:29on your own diversify out of the business in order to be financially successful yourself.
- 7:33So that's over and over and over again. That's where I see people
- 7:38go wrong, is they put their own personal financial planning for themselves and their
- 7:43families on the back burner because they think that if I just focus everything on
- 7:46business success, throwing cash into the business, and if I can just make
- 7:50that part work, then I will inevitably, inevitably be financially successful. And
- 7:57that's just not a guarantee. And I've made that very same mistake myself,
- 8:01grant and so. But it's hard to convince people you're on a mission.
- 8:05You're going to build your company and once it succeeds, then you're going to
- 8:11benefit from all the trappings of success. But you need to plan for success,
- 8:16don't you Exactly you speak from experience. Carry's I'm not saying that people
- 8:22should not focus all their attention on building the business and making it successful,
- 8:26because that will be a wonderful lever of your future success, but just keep
- 8:30it in the back of your mind that that's not the only thing that has
- 8:33to happen. And at some point, when you get some momentum and make
- 8:37that start to make that thing profitable, you're gonna have to put some more
- 8:39mechanisms in place and pay attention to your own personal objectives to make sure that
- 8:45you're on inadequate trajectory. And oftentimes, some really great mechanisms for that are
- 8:50a qualified retirement plan in the business. You can set up your own four
- 8:52oh one K. It's a great benefit for employees, it's a great retention
- 8:56tool, it's a great way to put money away, a tax deferred basis.
- 9:01Other benefits that you can put in place in the business that will benefit
- 9:05yourself that an ordinary W two employee you may not have access to. You
- 9:11There are a lot of avenues, there are a lot of arrows that you
- 9:13have in your quiver. And I think that's exactly right. You know,
- 9:18you do need to focus all your attention on making this thing successful first.
- 9:20Just remember that there's other stuff you have to do at some point along the
- 9:24way, all right, so you have the plan for success. I mean,
- 9:28I think that really is key, and that means different things to different
- 9:35people. In your travels. Here, what's the biggest mistake so one of
- 9:41your clients make. I've seen people make six figure tax mistakes in the past
- 9:48with regard to you know, specific retirement plan rollovers, putting the wrong amount
- 9:54of money in the wrong account. There are a lot of technical things that
- 10:00will tend to screw up that cost them a lot of money. I've also
- 10:05seen people not put cash into the company four one K plan when they were
- 10:09compelled to by the way it was set up, and so they have to
- 10:13pay a bunch of back penalties and taxes, and that's a huge cash flow
- 10:18suck. If you've if you head down a wrong path. Let me put
- 10:22it this way, if you make a commitment in the business to establish something
- 10:26like a four oh one K or a simple IRA, you're making a commitment
- 10:30to putting in a little bit of money on behalf of your employees. And
- 10:33if you forget to do that or get headed down or wrong the bad path
- 10:37where you don't have the cash to do so, that can compound and really
- 10:41run you into trouble. And I've seen a number of those cases over the
- 10:43years, and it's cost people multiple six figures. If you do it wrong.
- 10:48Yeah, that can be costly. All right, great, well,
- 10:50we really appreciate your coming on. Can you just tell us your website how
- 10:54we connect with you on the web and find out more. Sure, Yeah,
- 11:01we're all over the place. You can check out three Oakswealth dot com.
- 11:05That's spelled out. It's our financial planning firm. I have a blog
- 11:09I write on it's called Above the Canopy Above the Canopy diet Us. And
- 11:13we've I've got a podcast where we talk about this stuff as well, called
- 11:16Grow Money Business. So google any of that stuff and we'll pop up.
- 11:20Excellent. And if you've got a question for a Grant, shoot me an
- 11:22email k l at carry Lutz dot com. Make sure you go over to
- 11:28the site to the show notes. You can click the link and you'll get
- 11:31right to Grant's site to three Oaks and Grant. Appreciate you coming on.
- 11:35We'll talk to you again soon. Thanks for having me, Carrie. That's
- 11:37great, Thanks for listening to Carrie Lutz's Financial Survival Network, your solution to
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