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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Rams Are BAD, Caleb Crushes In Return, Start Mendoza? College Football Recap · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: Here we go. The Colin Coward podcast presented by Bud Light.
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  Speaker 1: Easy to drink, easy to enjoy. Well, John, the L.A.
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  Speaker 2: Rams.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're finding new ways to lose. This was
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl favorite. They were two weeks ago. Arizona 18,
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  Speaker 1: Rams 16. I hate talking about officiating. But they took
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  Speaker 1: a 16-15 lead with a touchdown. Heath Evans kicking his
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  Speaker 1: first ever NFL extra point. Then Jacoby Brissett comes back
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  Speaker 1: with a long completion and a personal foul. There were
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  Speaker 1: two calls today, one in the Jacksonville game. Touchdown was
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  Speaker 1: taken off the board because of a phantom holding call.
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  Speaker 1: And this was a phantom– personal foul call. I, I,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see it. I didn't get it. Did you?
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  Speaker 2: No, but there were 47 seconds left and they were,
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  Speaker 2: you know, already at the 44 yard line. So I
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  Speaker 2: would have said the Rams were in major trouble the
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  Speaker 2: moment he completed that ball over the middle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The Rams got their ass kicked today. I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: look terrible. They look lifeless. I mean, this, this has
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  Speaker 2: vibes of a team going the wrong direction. I First-round pick,
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  Speaker 2: Trent McDuffie. Another first-round pick, Myles Garrett. This is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we talk in basketball a lot when you go all
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  Speaker 2: in and you trade your picks and then it backfires.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of what it feels like for the Rams right now.
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  Speaker 2: I know who feels pretty good today. The Browns win,
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  Speaker 2: and they got that pick. Now, I don't think the
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  Speaker 2: Rams are going to go 4-13, but.
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  Speaker 2: But they do feel more 7, 8, 9 wins right
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  Speaker 2: now than they do double digits. That's for damn sure.
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  Speaker 1: People are trying to explain it, but the Rams and
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  Speaker 1: Stafford last year owned first down. They were a great
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  Speaker 1: first down team. They're not this year. So they're an average,
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  Speaker 1: with a 38-year-old quarterback, they're an average first down team.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean? They are living behind the sticks
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  Speaker 1: and they have an older quarterback on third and sixes
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  Speaker 1: and third and sevens instead of third and threes. So
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  Speaker 1: last year, the play action was working better because they
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  Speaker 1: were a great first down team. Some of it is
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  Speaker 1: they've got tight end injuries. But again, Stafford, it looks like,
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  Speaker 1: like that game winning drive, we thought, the two big
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  Speaker 1: plays to Puka and to Colby Parkinson, that was classic Stafford.
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  Speaker 1: He's got, I think, 56 all time come from behind wins.
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  Speaker 1: Like Matt can still sling it. We don't question that.
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  Speaker 1: But this team last year was a tremendous first down
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  Speaker 1: team getting ahead of the sticks, third and short. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if Arizona today would have been okay in the red zone.
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  Speaker 1: I think they were 0 for 5 until a field goal.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they were a bad red zone team today, Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: If they weren't, they would have blown the Rams out.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think you can just say it was
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  Speaker 1: a sleepy performance off Monday night. Like it was a,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they didn't go anywhere. They didn't, not like
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  Speaker 1: Buffalo's having to live in Irvine. I don't know. I just,
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  Speaker 1: I look at it and I think this is what
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  Speaker 1: makes the NFL great. After San Francisco, who's clearly the
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  Speaker 1: number one team. If I ask you second best team
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL, I think I'm with Kansas City.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's easily Kansas City. You know, Buffalo,
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  Speaker 2: Josh just goes kind of him versus your entire team.
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  Speaker 2: 0-5 in the red zone, Colin. How about the fourth
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  Speaker 2: down where they were stuffed, where McVay gave a handoff
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  Speaker 2: to their backup tight end? Yeah. I think we have
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  Speaker 2: to acknowledge, listen, Sean's resume speaks for itself. He's been
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  Speaker 2: one of the best coaches in the league for a decade.
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  Speaker 2: He's having a rough year. They're having a rough year.
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  Speaker 2: I think they went a little Daryl Morey. They tried
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  Speaker 2: to buy their stars. Chemistry matters in football.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, let's face it. Like they got gashed last
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  Speaker 2: week on the ground. Well, you know, they they went, well,
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  Speaker 2: we got to trade Jared verse for Miles Garrett. The
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  Speaker 2: Internet loved it. I'm watching their team. I mean, Miles
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  Speaker 2: Garrett's nowhere to be seen. You got to give the
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  Speaker 2: Browns credit like they his value couldn't have been any higher.
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  Speaker 2: He'd been in the league a decade. He was making
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  Speaker 2: a ton of money. It's like, yeah, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: give us all these picks and a player. Take them.
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  Speaker 2: And the Rams, you know, they get a lot of
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  Speaker 2: credit for F them picks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Not all of them have worked. You know, for every
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey, there's some Sammy Watkins and Brandon Cook. Like,
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  Speaker 2: not all their trades are just can't miss walk-off home runs.
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  Speaker 2: And this thing... No one can prepare for an injury,
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  Speaker 2: but it has been a colossal disaster. I mean, what
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  Speaker 2: they traded for Miles Garrett and they're getting nothing out
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  Speaker 2: of it. Their defense is really average right now. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: last week they got that they got. And I understand
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  Speaker 2: Josh Allen's a great player, but they were getting shredded
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  Speaker 2: by cooks on the ground. But, you know, Josh just
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  Speaker 2: running wild. It's like no one was even around him.
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  Speaker 2: And today, like this is on McVay. You're coming. This
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  Speaker 2: is must win. I mean, the Niners have not lost.
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  Speaker 2: So now let's just assume the Niners win on Monday
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  Speaker 2: Night Football against an awful commanders team whose season, you know,
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  Speaker 2: could just be going to the tank after that Jaden
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  Speaker 2: Daniels thing. You are four games behind them. I mean, Colin,
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  Speaker 2: everyone makes fun of Arizona. I live in Arizona. They're
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  Speaker 2: a joke. I mean, the franchise is a laughing. They
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  Speaker 2: have the same exact record at two and four. Same
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  Speaker 2: exact record.
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  Speaker 1: And Seattle, when they get the running backs back, Seattle's
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  Speaker 1: got a real defense. They'll be fine. They have zero
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  Speaker 1: run game right now, so they're having to kind of just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, hey, Sam, throw 51 times. Quarterbacks that throw
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  Speaker 1: 50 times in this league the last four years are 4-43.
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  Speaker 2: And Colin, even if they split with Seattle, that's another loss.
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  Speaker 2: That's five. So, I mean, you start doing the math.
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  Speaker 2: You're looking at, I mean, it would be a... I
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  Speaker 2: would say a Herculean effort to get to 10 wins
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  Speaker 2: when you're two and four. You got to go on
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  Speaker 2: a stretch where you just do not lose. And clearly
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  Speaker 2: their margin for error doesn't exist now.
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  Speaker 1: And part of Los Angeles is keeping up with the Joneses.
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  Speaker 1: And I really believe this is true. So you had
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers going for a third world series. And L.A.
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  Speaker 1: is a very warm weather, distracted market, a beach, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things to do. And I think they felt
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  Speaker 1: like Miles Garrett. was like a big splash and it,
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  Speaker 1: it sells tickets and it gets headlines. LA is very
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  Speaker 1: competitive that way. John, you know that. Yeah. And they
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  Speaker 1: go and get miles Garrett. And I thought, okay, this is,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be a hell of a front,
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  Speaker 1: but I thought he would play. And there is something
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  Speaker 1: to be said about Jared verse was very well liked
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  Speaker 1: in the locker room, bit of a bull rusher. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I think you're onto something here. It just doesn't feel right.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I keep trying to talk myself into something.
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  Speaker 1: Like you ever gone on vacation and after about three days,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, you know, we came here 10 years ago,
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  Speaker 1: but the food and the hotel are just not as
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  Speaker 1: good this time. And you're trying to talk to yourself
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  Speaker 1: because you spent the money on the vacation. And you're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this Hawaiian resort, they've let it go. It's not good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to talk myself into the Rams. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of yards, not a lot of points. They don't come
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  Speaker 1: with a ton of energy. They feel top-heavy. The special
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  Speaker 1: teams are a drag. We've got to be honest. They're
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  Speaker 1: just not that good. They're just not that good of
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  Speaker 1: a team.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the other thing, Colin, if you just do the math,
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  Speaker 2: they're not that good. I think the playoffs are now
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  Speaker 2: in major jeopardy, right? I mean, the Bears are going
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  Speaker 2: to the playoffs. The Niners are going to the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: The Vikings are already 5-0. You're a couple wins away
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  Speaker 2: from just walking into 10. So they're going to the playoffs. Carolina,
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  Speaker 2: they seem like a very credible team. They feel 10-plus
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  Speaker 2: wins to me. The NFC East, obviously, has got some issues.
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  Speaker 2: But the Lions have a direct— they do something really well.
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  Speaker 2: It's called offense. That's the other thing. This offense, this
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  Speaker 2: reigning MVP— He looks a little older this year. He does.
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  Speaker 2: He does. He would get my Hall of Fame vote.
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  Speaker 2: He's had an incredible career, probably underrated when he was
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  Speaker 2: in Detroit, but he looks older. I mean, he just doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: And late in the game, Devontae came off the game
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  Speaker 2: holding his calf or something. That's not a good sign.
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  Speaker 2: He's a guy that's had some muscle injuries. Like you said, Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, well, they can't run the ball. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they drafted a guy in the first round to be
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  Speaker 2: their starting running back. People are like, well, he was
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  Speaker 2: a backup. Anyone read that he turned down over a
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  Speaker 2: million dollars to stay at Notre Dame? Like he could
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  Speaker 2: have gone a handful of places in the top 10
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  Speaker 2: and been their starter. He's good. I just think the Rams,
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  Speaker 2: I would heavily short them to make the playoffs right now.
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  Speaker 2: And just the eye test. I mean, they have lost
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  Speaker 2: some games where they played well, but today was given
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  Speaker 2: the circumstance. I mean, this is LaFleur, McVay. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: these guys are all pretty interconnected. You would think he
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  Speaker 2: would be fired up to have his team ready to
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  Speaker 2: go against them.
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  Speaker 1: They're finding new ways to lose. Special teams last week,
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  Speaker 1: you know, your secondary personal foul, give up a big
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  Speaker 1: play this week. Like, I mean, good teams find ways
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  Speaker 1: to win. Rams are finding ways to lose. All right,
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  Speaker 1: Chicago 31, Atlanta 23. They led 31 to seven. This
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  Speaker 1: game was not close. Time of possession, Bears had the
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  Speaker 1: ball for 40 minutes. So here's what's interesting. So Ben
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  Speaker 1: Johnson gets the Bears job. And he says, we got
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  Speaker 1: to clean up Caleb's sacks because Caleb was sacked 68 times.
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  Speaker 1: First year, Caleb doesn't get sacked. This year, it was
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  Speaker 1: about you need to improve your completion percentage. You're too erratic.
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  Speaker 1: He completed 83% of his throws today. He leads the
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  Speaker 1: NFL currently completing 72% of his throws. So A, Caleb
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  Speaker 1: Williams is really coachable. Secondly, he's a good listener. Secondly,
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  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's a really good coach because even Lincoln Riley,
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  Speaker 1: who Jaden Maiava right now is the top-rated Big Ten quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: we know Lincoln can coach quarterbacks. He couldn't solve the
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  Speaker 1: erratic nature of his passing game. Ben Johnson has, year two.
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  Speaker 1: There was a stat today where he was 24-24, like
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  Speaker 1: throwing the ball down the field.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, what?
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  Speaker 1: It was the best number. I think it was the
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  Speaker 1: best number in six years. I'm going to find it here.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on.
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  Speaker 1: I want to find this for the podcast audience because
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  Speaker 1: this is crazy. Yeah. He was 24-24 for 248 yards
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  Speaker 1: from a clean pocket against Atlanta today.
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  Speaker 2: His 24 attempts.
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  Speaker 1: are the most without an incompletion from a clean pocket
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  Speaker 1: in the game in six years. So my take, even
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  Speaker 1: Brady said it at one point today, he's like, there's
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  Speaker 1: smoke coming off that ball. I just thought he looked,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's just really matured for the last two years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I felt like the game was over
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  Speaker 2: at 14-0. They had two drives, combined it for 19 yards,
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  Speaker 2: or I mean 19 plays, basically a full quarter combined.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, geez, they look on. You could tell
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  Speaker 2: he was motivated. They got embarrassed last week. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they got thoroughly embarrassed. Now, obviously, it's a different quarterback, but...
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  Speaker 2: To me, you never know a guy coming off injury.
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  Speaker 2: Could he be a little rusty after three plays? You're like, ah,
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  Speaker 2: that looks like the Panther bears offense. And like you said, it,
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  Speaker 2: it got a little weird at the end, but the
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  Speaker 2: only way they could come back was with the turnover
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  Speaker 2: and the bears gave him a fumble. And all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden they scored, you know, what's crazy is when
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  Speaker 2: you watch those two quarterbacks through the bulk of this game,
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  Speaker 2: like when you said it was 31, seven, one guy
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  Speaker 2: went one, the other guy went eight. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they were both in the same draft in the same
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  Speaker 2: top 10 and, Penix can't move. I mean, physically, when
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  Speaker 2: he's on, he throws a beautiful ball down the sideline,
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  Speaker 2: but that's about it. I mean, there is no movement.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like a sitting duck. And when he's a
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  Speaker 2: little off... It can't function. If Caleb's a little off,
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  Speaker 2: he can move around. He can keep plays alive. The
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  Speaker 2: gap between those two talents, again, same draft one and eight.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like one guy was one and the other
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  Speaker 2: guy was a fourth round pick. I mean, that was
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  Speaker 2: pretty glaring. But listen, I think Ben, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: You appreciate it. Has a big opinion of himself. Has
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  Speaker 2: talked it into the Bears. After that happens to the Packers,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I can imagine he worked an extra hour,
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  Speaker 2: burned a little midnight oil like this. They had a
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  Speaker 2: little chip on their shoulder coming in. And let's face it, Atlanta,
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  Speaker 2: even last week, they played pretty well. It took a
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  Speaker 2: crazy effort by Snoop Huntley at the end of the
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  Speaker 2: game to pull that thing off. They were playing well.
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  Speaker 2: And to be up 31-7 on the road in the NFL,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care who you're playing. That's a pretty big
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  Speaker 2: muscle flex, especially a team that had a lot of
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  Speaker 2: momentum this season.
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  Speaker 1: Also, did you notice Colston Loveland had six catches and
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  Speaker 1: a touchdown? He returned. He'd been missing in action. Luther
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  Speaker 1: Burden had eight catches. So last year at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the year, his two favorite targets were Luther Burden
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  Speaker 1: and Colston Loveland. And we're kind of like, where'd Colston go? Again,
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  Speaker 1: these are his guys. Roma Dunze had a big-time catch today.
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  Speaker 1: I will say this. There's a rookie receiver for Atlanta,
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  Speaker 1: Zakarian Branch, who had a fumble on a punt return
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  Speaker 1: and a fumble on a kickoff return. I remember when
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  Speaker 1: USC recruited him. Highly touted five-star kid. He had great
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  Speaker 1: speed and absolutely nothing else. And he was just I
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  Speaker 1: just watched him today. And I'm like, you know, USC,
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  Speaker 1: eventually Lincoln Riley could not figure out what to do
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  Speaker 1: with him. They just they just couldn't figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's a problem. Lincoln knows offense. So
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  Speaker 1: I thought today, I mean, any any chance they had
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  Speaker 1: that kid.
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  Speaker 2: One thing the Bears can do to you is when
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  Speaker 2: their offense is on, they can take a lead. and
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're down multiple scores. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the best player on the Falcons by a mile is
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  Speaker 2: the running back. B. John Robinson had nine carries today.
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  Speaker 2: I know he kind of got banged up, but it's
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  Speaker 2: like you kind of take him out of the game
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  Speaker 2: because all of a sudden you're like, God, we're down two,
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  Speaker 2: three scores. We got to sling that thing around, which
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  Speaker 2: is not really how they're built to play despite having
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of weapons because their quarterback's such a sitting duck.
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  Speaker 2: Even today, I know he got sacked four times, but
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  Speaker 2: how many plays does Caleb keep alive? Even some throwaway plays.
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  Speaker 1: He is.
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  Speaker 2: Scott, he looked pretty good today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I really do believe that, and
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  Speaker 1: I said this when he came out, Ryan Poles, some
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  Speaker 1: people said, well, Poles didn't really look at any other quarterbacks. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: if you got a five-minute highlight reel of Caleb Williams
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  Speaker 1: and hadn't gone to his game, which Ryan Poles had done,
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  Speaker 1: He's just different. Like, I'm watching Josh Allen against the Rams,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'm watching that flip touchdown against the Raiders.
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  Speaker 1: There's nobody like Josh Allen in my lifetime that looks
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  Speaker 1: like that playing quarterback. I've said the second most gifted
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: quarterback isn't Mahomes. It's Caleb Williams. To literally be able
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  Speaker 1: to eliminate sacks one year and now be the most
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  Speaker 1: accurate passer in the league, not even Josh can do that.
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  Speaker 1: So it just tells you Caleb's one of those people
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  Speaker 1: that is so gifted and he clearly takes to coaching.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's not arrogant. He's not rigid. He takes
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  Speaker 1: to coaching. If he respects you, he takes to it. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people, I think great players
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  Speaker 1: want to be coached, but it's more than just a
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  Speaker 1: little thing. I look at it and I think to myself,
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  Speaker 1: all right, this is a guy that is, he wants
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  Speaker 1: to be an all-time great because his gifts are good
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  Speaker 1: enough to get there. It's just a matter of, can he,
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  Speaker 1: practically speaking, take in coaching, and then execute on it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: he's two for two in the last two years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when we look back in that draft,
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  Speaker 2: Michael Penix, they would not have taken him at eight.
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  Speaker 2: Bo Nix's spot is in major question right now with
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  Speaker 2: how the way he's playing. Jaden is a very talented player,
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  Speaker 2: but his body, I mean, who would bet on his
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  Speaker 2: body holding up for another seven, eight years? It is
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  Speaker 2: clearly Caleb Williams and Drake May. And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the only conversation to be had. And Caleb, Caleb to
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  Speaker 2: me has a little more horsepower, but those two guys
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  Speaker 2: have separated from the pack and Jaden should be right there. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it goes back to the Herm saying, right.
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  Speaker 2: Best ability is availability. And you just never on a
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  Speaker 2: game to game basis. You're like, is he going to
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  Speaker 2: last through the whole game?
• 16:27
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  Speaker 1: Kansas City 22, Chargers 6. I mean, there's not a
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  Speaker 1: lot to say. It was 19-3 at half, so the
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: game was over. There's a story that came out this
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  Speaker 1: week where Mike McDaniel took this job and he changed
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's footwork, and it's been a tailspin since. I
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: saw Justin Herbert walking into the game. They had a
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: camera following him. He just looked discouraged. I said it
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: this week. Andrew Luck, literally a big, thick, great athlete,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: retired because his body couldn't take the beating. Justin Herbert
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: has been sacked in the same number of full years,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: 70 more times. Now, Herbert now has six more games
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: on top of that. But Herbert's getting sacked and hit 15%
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to 20% more than Andrew Luck. And I really do.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Listen, everybody quit on C.J. Stroud. He was great today.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Everybody quit on Drake May. He was great today. We
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: tend to quit on young quarterbacks when they struggle. I
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: tend to say, no, no, no, no, no.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: It's okay.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: It's okay. It's okay. Bo Nix, I'm kind of a seller.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: He's one of the– J.J. McCarthy, I was really a seller,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: but everybody was. But I think with Justin Herbert, I
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: don't think Mike McDaniel works with him. him. I think
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: they need to get him out of the building. I
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: don't think it works. I'm not blaming him for everything.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Kansas City is a really good football team. I think
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: they're the second-best team in the league. Maybe Buffalo is third.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know who is third right now. Maybe Seattle.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: But I think you have to consider just going back
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: to basics or do you just stick with it for
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the rest of the year?
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Have you watched any of the Saban documentary? Yeah, yeah.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: When he hires, I think it's like, I was just
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: watching it late last night, the fifth episode when he
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: hires Lane Kiffin because he needed to infuse his program
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: with a different offensive mindset. Nick, like Jim Harbaugh, they
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: want to play like the 70s and 80s and they
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: didn't realize the game was changing. But Alabama had so
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: much talent that the floor was so high. You're watching this.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: You're like, well, they already have a lot of offensive
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: line issues immediately again because they have a million injuries. Listen, Jim,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: relative to the NFL, is not Saban relative to college football.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: This marriage, it feels completely way off. Like this has
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: they'd already be going through the divorce, reaching out to
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the attorneys now. When I hear and listen, he's not
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: played well.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: If you just watch him, it's not going well for Herbert.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: When I see people go, would they trade him? Are
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: you insane? Do you know how many NFL teams would
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: be like? They're like, what do you think you get
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: for him? Like a one and a two? There would
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: be teams trading multiple first round picks for this guy.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I think you could get three.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: So do I.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: But the Spanos family, they would fire every one of
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: these coaches, including Jim Harbaugh. You don't fire the players first,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: not when they have that much pedigree. It was just
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: last year where the guy's team was a joke. He
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: had a broken hand, and he was carrying them on
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: a game-to-game basis. So like you said, it's not even Halloween.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: We've had a couple games. It's not going well. Mike
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: McDaniel kind of was a laughingstock in the NFL. I
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: think that's continuing. And I do think it's fair to
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: say is Jim– Is it just off? Is it him?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Is it like, is this hiring? I mean, because him
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: and John kind of throw coaches back and forth. Should
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: they have just kept Greg Roman? Every time Greg Roman
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: gets fired, he goes, someone else is solid.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Is he Bill Walsh? No. But is he that bad?
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: You know, there's not many perfect offensive coordinators. So I
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: just think this is a disaster. But I watched in
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: the day, they kind of felt lifeless, especially on offense.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: There was a couple series where it's like, The tight
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: end didn't even try to catch a ball. It's like,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: what is going on? Meanwhile, you watch Kansas City, who
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: just went through the year from hell after going to
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: five Super Bowls in six years. They have one of
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the great personnel acquisitions I can ever remember. It happens
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: in basketball and baseball sometimes. You're like, yeah, no-brainer, big-time
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: free agent, signed Shohei Otani, MVP. I don't know if
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: he's going to win the MVP. We've got a long
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: way to go. But he is in the conversation, Kenneth Walker.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: 19 carries, 130 yards. He's scoring touchdowns every single game.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: You can just chalk him in for 130 to 140 yards. Andy,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: who has never been– he uses his running backs a lot,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: but he throws to them. He is just like, I'll
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: go back to the old days and just hand him
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the ball. Taking the pressure off Patrick. Patrick looks dramatically better.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: You know, a couple of years ago when they were
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: making Super Bowl runs, Patrick wasn't playing as well as
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: he had early in his career. Now it feels like
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: he's in complete control.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: John, they had no play action pass for two years.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: That's why I say everybody's like Darnold struggling. They've got
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: no play action pass. Charbonnet and Price are both out there.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Ham and egg at running back. This is the first
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: time now. The running back situation the last two years
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: for Kansas City was egregious. It was awful. And now
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: it's great. In his early years, it wasn't great, but
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it wasn't as bad as it was the previous two years.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: But it does prove the point that even Patrick Mahomes,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: with no running game, you're going to throw more interceptions
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: and be less efficient. By the way, Travis Kelsey looks
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: younger and more dynamic now because you can't cheat. And
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: so he has space between linebackers and DBs. So he
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: looks better.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I think the other thing is their defense. They draft
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: all those kids high in the draft. Everyone always gets crushed.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I've been defending these good teams forever. Do you know
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: how hard it is to draft 30th in every round?
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I think Andy B... Well, yeah, it was kind of
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: nice having two top 10 picks in the first and
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: second round.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: We got R.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Mason Thomas and Mansard Delane. I mean, that kind of helps.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: And they've both been good.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Guess where those guys wouldn't have been? If we would
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: have been in the AFC Championship game, we wouldn't even
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: have evaluated them. They wouldn't have been on the board.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: So maybe we got R. Mason Thomas with our first
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: round pick at the end of the round. It just... Typically,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: good organizations, when they have a year from hell, can
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: bounce back immediately because they can nail a draft. Do
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: you notice what Philadelphia is doing with Jalen Hurts? Okay,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: we're going to sit him out. Also, we're going to
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: trade Cam Juergens.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Have you noticed this? Anybody that's nicked up, Philadelphia, in
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: my opinion, I don't think it's called– people say soft tanking.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: They're not soft tanking. What they're doing is Howie's like, listen,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: it's a great quarterback draft. I think they're going to
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: move off. Nick Ceriani, let's talk about this game. Eagles
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: lost their fourth straight, Carolina 25, Philadelphia 14. And I
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: think by, you know, they trade Juergens, Lane retires, Jalen
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: out now for a month. And again, you can call
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: it whatever you want, but I think this is the classic,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: hey man, this Mannion's not working. Nick Ceriani is not
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: a play designer, play caller. We're kind of stuck here
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and how he's like, listen, I've got, And some of
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: this is on Howie. After the Chip Kelly situation, he
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: hired Doug Peterson and Nick Ceriani, who are never going
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to have control in that building after Chip basically kicked
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: him to the curb. So the downside is, you know,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: when you get Jalen, you're not paying him anything. You
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: can stack the roster and you have, you know, you
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: can win a Super Bowl. But I sort of look
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: at Philadelphia now, and my take is Carolina's good. I
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: think offensively, they're very clever. They're a hard matchup. But
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of this, it does feel like
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to me, and you work for the organization, it does
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: feel like they're kind of strategically making sure we're going
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to arrest some guys. And I'm not saying that Jalen
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Hurt's blood clot isn't real and isn't frightening, but I'm
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: just saying it feels like it's a bit of a reset.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, part of it is just the nature of–
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: they're losing guys. Every time I looked up at the
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: screen today, there was a guy laying on the ground.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Devontae Smith got hurt today.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Nolan Smith got– I mean, they were losing guys left.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: They are having a streak of injuries right now that
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: no one can overcome unless your name's Kyle Shanahan. So
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I think part of it is– This is just it
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: does feel like Sirianni's team has been relatively healthy in
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: some of the runs they've had. That is not the case.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I also am going to defend Howie. When they hired
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Doug Peterson, the job was not very desirable. Sirianni was
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: a little different, but I think all this negative perception
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: come out the way they had handled Doug earlier.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: When like after he had won a Super Bowl and
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: then they kind of kicked him to the curb. Turns out,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: you know, Doug's a nice guy, not super dynamic coach.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I think Howie over the Sirianni era has proven to
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: be as dynamic of any GM and all of professional sports.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: So if I was a Mike Tomlin type, let's assume
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: he wanted back in or I don't know how this
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: crop is going to play out. You know, Sean McDermott,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: who's worked there before, whoever. Some of these OCs that
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: will separate themselves. Wouldn't you be lined up to go
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: to a place with a GM that has elite ability
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to get talent? In 28 with some of their trades,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: they have two first round picks, two second round picks.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: So big picture. The other thing, they have an owner.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: that will spend enormous amounts of money on this team
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: and cook the books. I think this job of what
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Sirianni and Doug Peterson, the way coaches were– I think
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: it's dramatically different this time around. Again, I don't know
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: what the crop of coaches is going to look like.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: But you think Nick's gone.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I just think in a town like that,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: how do you overcome four or five wins? It'd be
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: one thing if last year the negativity hadn't, you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: kind of grown as the season had gone. If it
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: had just been your normal division champs losing a weird
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: game in the first round of the playoffs, he would
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: get another year. I think there's so much negative momentum
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: carrying over. They couldn't get anyone to take the offensive
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: coordinator job. Sean Manning is taking a lot of shit.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: He's a 34-year-old guy. I'm probably guilty of it, too.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: No one would take the gig.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: They interviewed 17 people. Nobody wanted it.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't because of Howie. It was because of
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the quarterback. I feel weird. He's got blood clots. My
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: neighbor's a doctor. Diehard Philly guy. Retired doctor. He's like,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: he ain't coming back this year. Because he usually takes
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: a couple months to just see if you can handle
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: it with whatever the procedures are. So, like, listen, it's
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: not like he was playing well anyway, but this quarterback now,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: you have an inexperienced quarterback with no talent around him
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: because of the injuries. You have a bunch of new
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: offensive— they' re just going to lose a lot of games naturally, right?
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Even if you had decent coaching around him, I just
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: in a city. I mean, Colin, they were booing today.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I had on the audio. They're down three nothing. It
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: was like, you know, it'd be one thing if it
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: was the Bears game and you're just down like twenty
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: one to seven. And it's just like, oh, my God,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: it was three to nothing. You know why? And here's
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: where I will defend Philly fans. is they've kind of
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: been watching the same thing here for a while. It's
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: not like, well, you know, this is pretty entertaining. It's
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: like you're a Dodger fan. Like, if you're booing, getting swept,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: you're a Dodger fan. Like, give me a break. Philly fans, like,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of supporting them.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's been a three-and-out factory for two and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: a half years. And the other thing is, because Sports
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Talk Radio still matters greatly in Philadelphia, and the GMs
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: listen and the owners listen, because it's one of those
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: cities like Boston. Everybody listens to WFAN when Mike... and
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the Mad Dog were on. Like it was GMs listen
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: to it. It was the whole country. I saw the ratings.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: If you go look at Felger and Maz in Boston,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the numbers are insane.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Aren't they doing like 20 shares?
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So people listen. And if you don't listen, people
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: tell you what they said. And the reality in Philadelphia
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: is everybody that's a smart group of fans. The bottom
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: line is what's Nick do? You know, again, he's an
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: offensive coach and yet is totally reliant on an offensive coordinator. So,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, it just doesn't work. And so I think–
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't happen very often, but sometimes the GM
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: is the most important person in an organization. It's happened
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: in hockey before. I mean, Theo Epstein, it's happened in
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: baseball before. And I think– This is a rare NFL
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: team where the star of the organization isn't the quarterback
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: or the coach, it's the GM.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: But even if you're a top coach, you know, it
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: takes you a long time to establish yourself as like
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: a Kyle Shanahan or an Andy Reid where it's like,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I don't have to answer, Nick Saban, what he became
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: at Alabama. Every high-level coach in, or maybe Kirby Smart,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: like everyone's answering to people. Like, you know, if Robert
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Kraft wants to talk to Mike Vrabel, he puts down
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: everything he's doing and goes into his office. Most people
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: making $ 20 million in a CEO job answer to a board.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: There aren't many jobs where it's like what Nick Saban
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: became at Alabama. Hell, if Jed York wants Kyle to
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: do something, guess what? Kyle's doing it. That's kind of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the way. So it's like, okay, Howie wants you to
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: do something. I think part of the pushback years ago
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: used to be this push and pull with the analytic movement.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Eagles were somewhat ahead of the curve on what they
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: wanted you to do. Now, everyone's doing it. It's not
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: as weird like, hey, we want you to go for
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: it on fourth down. We don't want you to. I
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: would say they were so ahead of it, it felt
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: a little like out of left field and I'm going
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to get made fun of. You want me to do this? Now,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: everyone kind of plays the same. I would say on
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Saturdays and Sundays with going for it, not kicking field goals.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, they'll be able to push and
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: pull with who's outspoken. What are we really talking about?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Special teams, linebackers, like the top players are always going
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: to be active if they're healthy. So it's I think
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: the Eagles is a pretty desirable job just because here's
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: the other thing. How is ruthless? He's like Belichick, like
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Bill Walsh. Listen, if the Eagles are going to be active,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: they're going to be active. if they need a quarterback change,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: they'll make a quarterback change. They've done it before. They'll
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: do it again. If they need to start shipping people
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: out of town, they'll do it. They, they, they do
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: not care. They are, this isn't a, it's a player
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: friendly place, but it's also, if you don't produce, it
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: won't be a player friendly place for long.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: It's like Netflix just fired, you know, they're one of
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: their top fairly new, very respected. We've dealt with the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: lady at, um, the woman who was the boss that
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: got let go at the volume, highly respected. We had
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: a great relationship with her. The way the guy Ted
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Sarandon runs Netflix is, we're teammates, we're not friends. If
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I have to cut you, I'll cut you. And that's
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Howie Roseman. We're not friends, we're teammates. And you'll be
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: rewarded if you're a great teammate. But if the stock
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: price is down at Netflix, you're going to get pushed
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: out the door. Doesn't mean you're not great at what
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: you do. That's just the way Netflix operates.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Well, Saquon, we loved you when you were rushing for 2K,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: and we have no problem giving you more money. But
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: the moment you have back-to-back seasons like this, you're not
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: going to be around anymore.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: All right. Buffalo beats the Raiders 33-30. Josh Allen with
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the 15-yard flip for a touchdown. I actually think I
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: have a pretty good beat on the Raiders. They need
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: another draft. I think they've done a really good job.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: John Spitek's done a really good job. There are personnel shortcomings.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I also think... Kirk Cousins is fine. We all know
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: that Mendoza is eventually going to get the nod. The
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: question becomes, when does Mendoza get the nod? If you
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: look at their schedule, by the way, I thought it
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: was going to be closer, but the Bills have scored
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: at least 33 points in four of their six games.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: New mentality. They're just more aggressive. They are. They're more
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: aggressive with Brady than they are with Sean McDermott. it's
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: almost like we can't collapse late in games if we're hyper-aggressive.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Like Brady's one of those guys, like I don't want
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to have to think about going for it. We're just
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: going to go for it throughout the game. So I
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: do think the one thing with Buffalo is they're clearly
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: with Brady a little bit more aggressive. I think Josh
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Allen likes that. And you'll bite the bullet sometimes because
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Josh is going to make mistakes. The question when I
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: watch this game is, yeah, Buffalo is obviously a top
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: three or four team. When do you go to Mendoza?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think they were pretty adamant to start
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: the season. They did not want to throw him out there.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: And I do think they can justify it by sticking
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: without putting him out there. Personally, I've always been a believer,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: just my own personal experience in life. You learn through experience.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: And you can only learn so much by sitting on
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the sideline watching film and watching Kirk. The other thing
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: with Mendoza... Sometimes you get an immature guy who needs
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: to kind of be led. That's not really the book
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: on him. He's learned everything he needs to learn, like
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: what time to come in, what time to eat, how
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: to recover. He's got that down, I would imagine, by now.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: The one thing, and I know some people that are
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: coaching there, I think the major question mark was, I
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: haven't attacked him about since, but like in camp and OTAs,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the transition from shotgun to under center in this offense
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: is gigantic. It's a huge gap of just being under
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: center the whole time. He had five career under center
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: plays his entire college career, dating back to Cal. So
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: if you go back to Matt Ryan and some of
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: those guys that played in the Shanahan-Kubiak op, they felt
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: very uncomfortable turning their back. They weren't comfortable in year one.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: So they're basically just letting him do that in practice.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I would guess, too... The way they treat him in practice,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: they would probably never admit this. He's not just your
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: typical backup. They probably have developmental periods for him. That
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: this is kind of a unique, like we're trying to
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: win here, but because of the Brady, Kubiak, Spytek, these
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: guys are kind of not going anywhere. Yes. They're in
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: a unique spot. I've honestly been blown away. If you
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: remove last week when they got their ass kicked, I
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: know Tucker hit they hit a big bomb at the
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: end to cover, which was awesome. But they got two
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: tight ends, Colin. I mean, their offense is two tight
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: ends who are awesome. I mean, Bowers, who they kept
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: talking about the broadcast and the receiver and they were
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: treating like that. And Mayer is, I mean, as good
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: of a number two tight end as there is in
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the league. Jensen's given him nothing. He had 10 carries
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: for 22 yards a day. Washington looked more explosive. So
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: it's not like they're explosive running. They got two tight ends.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: That's their offense. And they're actually, besides you remove the
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Patriot game, they have been extremely competitive this year offensively. Yeah,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I think they need to Kubiak and back to flurry.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: And like, there's just a drop off. Some guys are
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: just better at their job than others. And clearly Kubiak
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: is really good at his job. Yep.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: They need another draft class. I mean, this is baby steps.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I think they're respectable. I think they play hard. Listen,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: we got to just look at Buffalo right now. I
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: told you the eight best offensive lines in the NFL
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: are all eight offensive coaches, 13 of the top 15.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: There are primary advantages to having an offensive coach. They
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: talk the same language as your quarterbacks. And the secondary
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: advantage is your offensive line's better. And the last several
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: weeks I have watched Buffalo, just the run game, the
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: explosion plays, Josh feels incredibly comfortable. He's in a good
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: mood on the sideline. I felt at the end of
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: the McDermott run, they get into big games and I
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: could feel attention. You can watch body language. You could watch,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: you watch Josh now on the sideline. He is smiling.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: He is happy. He is married. Life is good. The
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: new stadium. I mean, Buffalo fans are as good as
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: any in the NFL. I kind of just feel you
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: can be a good coach, but it's like Pat Riley said.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: There's a certain point where it becomes noise. Del Harris
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: was not a bad coach. He just talked too much. And,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: you know, you needed this Svengali. You needed Phil Jackson.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: And I just think the reality is with Buffalo right now,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: it feels like a happier team. team playing downhill. I
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: think players like to be aggressive, especially Buffalo's offense is
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: pretty stacked. And I think, I mean, I just think
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Buffalo needed an aggressive offensive guy who believed in them.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: And McDermott's a conservative defensive guy. And I think that's,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I think every player in the locker room knew it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, players grow. But, you know, last year
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: they draft Keyon Coleman at the end of the first round,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: early second round. I think they traded back, so they
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: got him the first pick of the second round. And
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: it was a nightmare. Remember, he was inactive, and it
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: was not working out. And this year, it's like every
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: time you watch Buffalo, he's making plays. And Joe Brady said, like,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: when he got hired, I was the guy pounding the table.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: And if you look at it offensively, like watching them
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: and Kansas City play at the same time, And the
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Raiders are better than the Chargers. But you just go
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: when push comes to shove, the Chiefs, because both teams,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: like obviously have all time great quarterbacks. Both of them
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: have star running backs. I mean, James Cook is an
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: elite player. I know he fumbles the ball, but he's
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: a pretty special backfield made for Josh. But defensively, they
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: just can't cover it. There's not physical enough. So you
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: play Kansas City with it all on the line. Who
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: are you taking? A team that we got no problem
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: now winning 19-15. Buffalo cannot play like that. I mean,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: they just played the Bears 33-30 last week. What the
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: hell was the score? You're just playing in all these
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: high-scoring games. It's hard to...– their margin for error, if
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Josh does have one of those bad games, it goes
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: out the window because their defense can't stop it.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: The only two teams in the league that don't appear
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: to have a major flaw right now are Kansas City
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and San Francisco. Buffalo's secondary, Seattle, right now has no
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: run game. That should improve. Rams' special teams are awful.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett's not playing. Everybody's got a problem. I will
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: say this, though.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Baltimore, Lamar's health. I mean, yeah.
• 40:01
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• 40:05
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• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Texans 34, Jags 31. The best game of the day.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: The quarterback play was sensational. C.J. Stroud, you know, we've
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: got to be honest about this. We all asked ourselves,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: like last year he was forcing really bad interceptions and fumbles.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: He has been so good. The Jags defense, they don't
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: have a consistent pass rush, so it really collapsed in
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the second half. But I thought it was a top
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: five game of the season. I came out of that
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: game and I thought Trevor Lawrence and CJ Stroud right
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: now today are playing like top 10 quarterbacks. I just
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: sat back and watched that thing for three and a
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: half hours. And I'm like, man, we're going to have
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: a good Sunday. That was the best game by a long.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this, watching CJ and now with
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Nico Collins and now they have Marvin Harrison who had
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: his first catch. You know, Woody Marks is healthy. It's
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: not a great O-line, but I watched them today and
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I thought, okay, Houston looks like a playoff team today.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Do you know what's crazy about Houston is their defense,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: which was so awesome last year and carried the team,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: has been a problem this year.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: You don't feel very confident they're going to get stops,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: and you have guys wide open. But if their defense
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: can ever kind of figure it out, I mean, their
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: offense now, Woody Marks runs hard. I've been extremely impressed.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, C.J. Stroud, I'd say, has been pretty good
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: and steady all season long. I'll take the L on this.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I thought it was a disaster. This shows you good organizations.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: They figure things out. How good is Travis Hunter look now?
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's making plays left and right. And physically,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: there was a play where he thought he got shoved
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: by Nico Collins, who is a man-child. I mean, he's
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: closer to Calvin Johnson than your average wide receiver size-wise.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Travis looks a little thicker now. I said, this guy,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: and listen, I think Colorado's imploding under Dion, but one
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: thing he was right is this guy's pretty special. And
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, ah, he is. He's become an excellent corner.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously he was a good corner in college,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: but he's an NFL corner and he's making plays on offense.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, between Travis Hunter and Parker Washington, you have
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: two of the top 10 athletes in the league on Jacksonville.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: And they're not a very good red zone team. They
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: struggle a little bit in red zone. They make mistakes.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville is really good. But my takeaway today,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and by the way, I thought Jacksonville won the thing,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: you know, and then all of a sudden Texas.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Texans had to win, right? Texas had to win or
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: there's one in five, you're done.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: D'Amico Ryan's good coach. CJ's playing really well. The Marvin Harrison,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: that's going to work at a higher level than Arizona.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Their defense, the pass rush isn't as good as it
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: was last year. But my takeaway on that was let's
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: stop the CJ. It's like a little like Drake May.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: It's like, guys, Drake May is really good. C.J. Stroud's
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: really good. So that made me feel happy today. All right,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the best team in the league, I have them at
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: four or five that nobody's talking about, is the last
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: team to beat Buffalo. New England beat the Jets 26-19.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Jets were 0-3 in the red zone. Drake May, once again,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: 111 passer rating. Last three starts, Drake May has been sensational.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Their running game is probably a B running game. But
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I said this before, the top teams in this league,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: you watch the Niners or you watch Kenneth Walker or
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: you watch Josh Allen, the Bills. You watch the top
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: teams in this league, John, and there's a wow factor.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: You watch the Patriots and they put you to sleep
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: with six yards at a time. But this team beat Buffalo.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I think their coaching is unbelievable. They course-corrected Drake May,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: who's had back-to-back-to-back sensational starts. They did this last year, John.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: We're like, well, they're about a year away in the draft.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: And you look up and they're in the Super Bowl.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I got to tell you, A.J. Brown was awful today. Oh,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: my God. Oh, God.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: He was awful.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And they didn't get distracted. They moved on to other options.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: They ran the ball pretty well. I think this team
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: is going to get ignored. And considering Vrabel's offseason, that's
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: the best thing.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: In the world.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: They're winning ugly. But nobody is talking about New England.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: And they just kind of dismantled teams week in and
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: week out.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you have to think A.J. Brown had
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: 10 targets, three catches, and four drops, and he was
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: their big offseason.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: He had a drop on the onside kick.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you bring him– I mean, Drake made three
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: touchdowns today, and A.J. Brown basically has given him nothing
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: this season because he gets hurt early on in that
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: first game, comes back today as a disaster. He's going
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: to get it. I don't know if he'll ever be
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: what he was in his prime, but he'll add something.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Pop Douglas has been really good for him. Every time
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: you look up, he's making plays for him. This team
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: looks headed toward 11 or 12 wins, where a couple
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: weeks ago we went, is the quarterback falling off? And
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: this is the confidence thing. How much better does he
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: look on the move? How much better does he look
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: throwing the ball down the field? Defensively, they're never going
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: to be the sexiest defensive team because they don't have
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Miles Garrett. Their edge rushers aren't Will Anderson Jr., But
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: every time you watch him play, it's like, God, they
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: hit hard. And they are very, very stout against the run, typically.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, today, you know, Braylon Allen, the backup running
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: back for the Jets, pretty good. I mean, the Jets,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Brees Hall and Braylon Allen's one of the better one-two runners.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: You know, we talk about Seattle. You're like, God, you
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: need a backup running back. You watch Allen. It's like,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: that guy can play for my team any day. But
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: the Jets, you watch them. I mean, Colin, Geno Smith–
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: is not terrible. They have Omar Cooper Jr., who they
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: just drafted in the first round. They got Garrett Wilson,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: who's on a big contract. They have multiple running backs.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: This is a more credible Jets team. The coaching, up
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: for debate, but just in terms of talent on the roster,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: way better than some of the years past. So it's like...
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: It was kind of a sleepy game, and they were
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: in complete control, and the Jets get a late touchdown
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: to kind of cover the spread here. But yeah, I
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: think you take the win, you move on if you're them.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Aaron Glenn is 0-7 against the division. Listen, I'm
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: not going to spend a lot of time talking about
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. who are in first place. They beat
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: the Ravens. Ravens lost another lead in the fourth quarter,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: missed a field goal. It went downhill. Derrick Henry fumble.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about the Steelers 26, the
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Bucks 19 Steelers got saved a Jamel Dean pick. And
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: then Aaron Rogers, his seventh overtime win in his career.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Those games were virtually unwatchable. Same with the Colts lost
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to the Titans. I do think. I do think we
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: have some college football stuff to really talk about that's
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: really interesting this week. So we have a 2014 playoff.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: People can complain all they want. Saturday was the best
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Saturday I have seen in two years. NFL today was
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the worst Sunday. Now, we haven't seen the Packers-Cowboys yet.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: It was the worst Sunday of football that I have
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: seen this year. So I want to start with Ohio
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: State 19, Indiana 15. My takeaway is watching Julian Sayen Like,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think Ohio State can win a national championship
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: if he's your quarterback. No, he's going to be hurt.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: He's going to be out. They're going to have this kid,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Luke Fahey, who's like a three-star guy out of Mission Viejo, California.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: And he's, you know, apparently he beat out some five-star
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: guy they recruited. Ohio State recruits a lot of five-star guys.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: But my takeaway on this game is even great coaching,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Kurt Cignetti has a ceiling. They had a fumble. They
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: made mistakes. They had an interception. Hoover got hurt. When
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I watch this game, personnel-wise, I think Ohio State's a
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: much better team. I said this about Cignetti. I said
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: this year's team is going to be closer to his
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: first year that got to the playoff but got dominated
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: by Notre Dame. This team, though more talented than that
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: first Hoosier team with Cignetti, it's not as good offensively.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: They have one star receiver who's really good, but I
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: don't feel their defense is as good on the back end.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: And my take on Ohio State is, I don't know
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: if they can win a national championship. I think Miami's
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: the best team. I still think Notre Dame's fine, but
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: they needed to win that game. I'll get there in
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: a second. My take is Cignetti last year, Fernando Mendoza
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: won five games. They could have easily lost. And we've
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: given all the credit to Cignetti. He's a coach. They
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: have limitations. You saw them Saturday.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this does feel that him putting his foot out
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: of bounds, a little makeup for some of the crazy
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: games that they won last year. I mean, they won
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: every single one of those. Both quarterbacks were really shaky.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I thought Hoover was all over the map early in
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: that game. I mean, balls are flying. The one thing
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I will say about Indiana is Becker Marsh is, I
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: know he stepped out of bounds, is as good of
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: a one-two combination as you're going to see in the country.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith is the best wide receiver by a mile,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: but like Travis Henry Jr. or Chris Henry Jr., excuse me,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: I like those two better than the depth of Ohio State.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: He is so good, it doesn't matter. To me, Hoover,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: and I know Cignetti gave him a lot of credit
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: for last week making some big plays down the stretch,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: and he's done it this season. It's like I don't
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: really trust him when I watch him. So even the
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: final play, it's like he was wide open. If you
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: just throw it a little more inside, he was trying
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: to make a great play. You kind of led him
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: that way. Whenever I see that sling, I'm just reminded
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: of when Aaron Rodgers broke clavicles. College can be much more–
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: kind of cloak and dagger and quiet about it the
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: information doesn't quite get out with you know like it
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: does in the nfl we still don't quite know he's
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: had a couple weeks or for a few weeks sure
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: look like he had a broken clavicle or broken forearm
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: or something bad if he needed a sling so i
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: i would expect julian saying to not be back and
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: the other guy looks small i mean so julian saying
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: is already a major question mark just for their operation
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: given how much talent they have Now you're going to
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: the backup, who is, I mean, probably a wide gap.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I would say Ohio State's in major trouble. You could
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: make the argument, just given that injury, that you feel
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: better about Indiana moving forward than you do Ohio State
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: because they're missing their quarterback now.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Here's the one thing where I'll defend Ohio State. This
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: team's about defense, one superstar receiver, and Bo Jackson, the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: running back. It's not Julian Sand-led. I mean, he's pretty
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: compromised athletically. There was a rollout near the goal line,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: and he had pressure. I mean, he couldn't throw it
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: 15 yards. He's just not a big, strong kid. He
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: really isn't. He's accurate. Well, it's easier to be accurate
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: when you're playing at Ohio State. Ryan Day, offensive coach,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: great receivers. I think San's fine, but this defense to
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: me and this star receiver, that's their recipe. So I
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: think Ohio State will beat USC in Los Angeles, even
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: though USC plays Wisconsin next, then it's Ohio State. I
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: just think they have limitations, and I think starting quarterback
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: or backup, I just don't think they're special. Now, it's
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: not the Texas situation where they're at times bad, but
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I just think there's a low ceiling with San.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: I will say the one thing about Indiana coming out
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: of that game, I thought their defense was pretty unreal
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: against a guy that no one's been able to stop.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, Mike McDonald last week got pretty snippy with
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: the reporters about wanting them to double-team Mike Evans. He's like,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: that's not what you do. They were throwing everything at
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith. And beside the one play where they just
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: threw up and he jumped up like he's like Sean
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Kemp in his prime, he had four catches for 68 yards. Meanwhile,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Charlie Becker and Signetti are going up against Patricia, who's
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: won Super Bowls. He was unstoppable. And honestly, nine for 165,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: it felt like he should have had 200-plus and Hoover's
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: overthrowing him. Hoover's missing those guys. So I thought the
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: coaching for Indiana, I mean, they clearly do a good
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: job now of transfer portal, adding talent is on a
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: different level. I mean, they are such a well coached
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: team defensively because I expect everyone, Ohio state to be
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: like a future top 50 pick, you know, Indiana, maybe
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: it's something about the Jersey, something about the program. It
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: is just remarkable to see such a big game there.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: And then early on, it's like, God, they are still
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: ready for this. I was having this thought yesterday, and
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I understand they went 16-0 and we're in a different world.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: But for them just to be able to maintain, we
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: can go toe-to-toe with Ohio State. Whatever Cignetti's making, he's underpaid.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, that is a remarkable accomplishment, given how well
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Ohio State recruits. I mean, look at their two... They
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: need some coordinators. Let's go buy Arthur Smith. Let's go
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: buy Matt Patricia. Meanwhile, Cignetti's got the same guys back from, like, Elon.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: You know, we've been with them forever. So I came
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: away from that game... I even have more respect for IU.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: It is. They had some weird shit go on, midfield goals.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: You know, they went for some short yardage situation and
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: got stuffed in the red zone. Well, they looked like
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: they were just— It's hard. I mean, Ohio State, sometimes
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: it's hard to get, you know, come through in those situations.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it was one of the first times
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: in a year that we watched Indiana make the same
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: mistakes or struggle in situations that every other coach, even
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: the well-coached teams do. Okay, Notre Dame gets beat by
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: BYU 28-24. Now, was that pass interference in the corner
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: of the end zone? Looked like it to me. Was
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: there a second left? Yep, I think there was. It's
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: really hard. And I thought CJ Carr had a really
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: good final drive.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: And Notre Dame needed that win because the schedule's weak.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: But it is very hard for me. We want our
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: officials to be perfect. Just remember, there's dozens and dozens
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: of games every Saturday, and you need seven officials. Do
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: the math. There's all sorts of average officials, even in
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: big games. This is not the NFL where you've got
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: your 14 games. You have dozens of games, seven officials,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: some conferences, eight. It's just a math equation. We've seen
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: the Georgia... Alabama call. There are bad calls in college. Hell,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: there's even bad reviews. It's a bit of a circus.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: But it's hard to defend Notre Dame on that pass
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: interference at the end because A, Red zone, turnover, can't
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: do that on the road. Couldn't stop BYU on multiple
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: big third downs. I thought Notre Dame, and this doesn't
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: happen much with Marcus Freeman, they weren't a terribly smart team.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I thought they made all sorts of mistakes. I didn't
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: think they played a very clean game. And considering how
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: weak their schedule's been, and this was a circle game,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, they were emotionally ready for this game. Provo
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: is loud, but it's not Autzen. You know, it's not Georgia.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I just– it's hard for me to– and I have
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame and Miami as my top two teams in
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: the country. Again, I thought Carr had a really good
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: final drive regardless of the outcome. I don't know if
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: he's a great quarterback. That was a really gutty drive
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: with some athletic ability. But my take is just Notre–
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: BYU deserved to win. I really felt that when the
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: game was over.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I thought Notre Dame was getting worked early in
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: the game by the offensive coordinator and that quarterback. I mean,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: all I kept hearing was this, Bear Brockmire, he can't
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: really throw. And then he's making plays with his arm
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: and his legs. They're calling double pass throwbacks. Because I
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: think a big question mark with BYU was like, well,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: their offense isn't going to be good enough. You know,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: you knew there would be a physical team. Their coach
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: is solid. NIL has helped them. I mean, they got
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: some cash, a lot of cash.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: So it's like they've always had NFL players going back decades.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: But that was a kitchen sink game for them. And
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: they're up. And then in the second half, what happens?
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: They muff a punt. They run one of the stupidest
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: fake punch you'll ever see. You didn't even get close.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: That's one of those that is like that couldn't look
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: that good on the whiteboard. I mean, a long way
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: to go. And what does Notre Dame do with those two?
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: They kick two field goals. And to me, if you're
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: a top five team, and this is where I feel
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: no sympathy. It's like you stay independent. You keep all
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: your money. You get these great television ratings. Well, when
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: you play nobody except a couple big games and then
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: you lose them, it's like it's easy for people to
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: pile on because so much emphasis for these other programs,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: even BYU. Yeah. You know, I don't know exactly how
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: their schedule shapes out, but most years they're playing Texas Tech.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: They're playing Utah, Oklahoma State. They're just going to get
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: random mix in games with other real programs every single year.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: So Notre Dame, like, yeah, well, we've scheduled the power
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: for programs. Well, on the rotation in the ACC, it's down.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: So you're not playing anybody. And there's so much emphasis
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: gets placed on this game. And then you're given some
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: gifts in the second half and you don't take advantage
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: of it. It's easy for people to push back against you.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Even though I think if we all take the emotion out,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: they clearly are one of the 12 best teams. But
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: if they lose against Miami and they're 10-2 and they're
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: in this big mix, a lot of people are going
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: to say no. And it's like, well, you guys get
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: the riches, but you don't get the.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Rewards, right? Well, and the other thing is Notre Dame
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: loves the 2014 playoff because when USC pulled out of
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: that game, I have it sourced. Notre Dame freaked out
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: because Notre Dame now with only 12 team playoff, like
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: people are like, like SEC schools are like, what, we
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: have to play the SEC schedule and now Oklahoma and
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Texas are in? And by the way, now Vandy's good
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: in the in the Big Ten schools are like so
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: we have to face Oregon Washington USC now UCLA is
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: good So like these Big Ten SEC schools were like,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: we're not playing Notre Dame. And that's why Notre Dame,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: USC said, we'll play eventually, but it's going to be
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: before the Big Ten season. It's going to be in
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: sunny weather. We're not playing in November right after we
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: played Michigan or Ohio State. So the reality is nobody
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: wants the 2014 playoff more than Notre Dame. And they
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: have pulled because they want to muscle up their schedule.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: That's why that game was so important for them. If
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: they lose against Miami, and I think Miami is better,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: they're not making the playoffs. They can't.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I would say this. Well, BYU is clearly pretty good, right?
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a good team. In BYU, could probably
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: hang with most teams on their A game. I feel
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: no sympathy if Notre Dame loses. You're getting them at home.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, you lose that by BYU last year.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: You lose on the road to Miami. First game of
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: the season, 100 degrees, humidity. Okay, you get Miami later
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: in the season at Notre Dame. Like, you got to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: win that game. And then no one will be able
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: to say anything. But if you lose that game, I'm
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: kind of on the side of like, yeah, we're– Quit
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: your bowl game again. Everyone go home. We don't give
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: a shit. We've had enough of you. I think most
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: people that aren't Notre Dame fans are kind of tired
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: of the independents bragging about how much money they make.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: No one cares. All you see these SEC teams going
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: to war every week. And like you said, it's like...
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: If you're Luke Fickle, you're like, now we're kind of good.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you're playing UCLA that three years
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: ago would have been a lock W. You'd been like,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: we'll be five and one. Well, they got Bob Chesney,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: who I think if you're a UCLA fan, you're rooting
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: for Michigan to win some games because you don't want
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Kyle to be one and done because that would be
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: their first call. You know, you don't want Sark to
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: get fired because they'll look around. If Cignetti won't leave,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: like they'll come calling for your guy. You know, so
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: it's Bob Chesney. All of a sudden, you know, even Oregon,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, they're down. Like if that's a down program,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: do you think people are signing up to play them
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: on a weekly basis? So I just think Notre Dame
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: like that was kind of a must win for them
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: just to shut everyone up. And they just lost. And
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, the one second. Well, the big 12 refs,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: when your conference, Notre Dame has some refs, you can
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: provide them. But so far, you don't have one.
• 1:01:32
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• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, Texas only had like 210. 70 yards of offense.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Florida ran 81 plays, Texas 50. Let's just cut to
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: the chase. Sark was calling plays like he didn't trust
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Arch Manning. I went and looked at the SEC conference
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: offensive numbers, not the country, just the SECs. Texas is
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: near the bottom on third down, red zone, yards per play,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: with NFL guys that left tackle, wide receiver. I just
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I've said this about, I like Sark.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I think Sark does the big things really well, but
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: he's sort of the opposite of Cignetti, where he's a
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: great front man. He's a great recruiter. He's great with quarterbacks.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: But on details, every Texas loss feels the same. You're like,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: they've got better players. I mean, Florida, this is a
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: rebuilding Florida operation. This isn't a great Gator team. This
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: isn't an Urban or a Spurrier Gator team. This is
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: a rebuilding operation. Do you think Sark's in trouble?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Find me a business, especially, I mean, they're not like
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: a billion dollar company, a smaller business that spends $ 50
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: million one year and the ROI is disaster. And if
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Texas misses the playoffs, that would be considered a disaster.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: And there aren't major question marks coming around by the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: people that cut the checks. They spent $ 50 million plus
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: on this roster. They just gave Will Muschamp, I think,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: like a $ 9 million three-year contract. Sark has a bunch
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: of buddies on the staff. Now, the Arch Manning thing
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: is complicated, right? This isn't your– well, he's just– there's probably–
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: it's not your– I'm not putting that all on Sark
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: in the sense of like yesterday, Whittingham was like, I'm
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: done with this car getting the game. I don't think
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: it's that easy with Arch Manning. So I'm in complete understanding.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: There was a clip, though, yesterday of a player coming
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: off for Florida and John Summerall, who is clearly a
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: young up-and-coming coach, lighting the guy up like you would
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: have seen Nick Saban back in his prime. You would
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: never see Sark doing that. The other thing is offensively,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I think I heard someone say Florida didn't even rank
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: in the top 130 in past defense. Previous two games,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: they had just been smoked. South Carolina, whose quarterback was
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: a nightmare, scored 38 points. Against Missouri, they scored 45 points. Auburn,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: a couple weeks previously, had scored 39 points. They were
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: getting lit up defensively. Like, they couldn't stop a soul.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: And then you're watching Texas after the one drive. You're like,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: what are they doing? Their offense is anemic. And then
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: the moment Simmons, who by far is their best defensive player,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: got injured, I went, God, this feels kind of weird.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: And then it got weird. And I just think– I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: just don't know any business of that scale. The proportions
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: are $ 50 million, and if they miss the playoffs– But
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: I also was thinking, like, who is– what are they
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: going to do, call Saban?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: What do they do? Does Arch consider transferring?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: But who would want– I mean– Listen, I hate beating
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: up on the kid. He's just not any good. He's
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: just not a very good quarterback. We all watch enough
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: college football. John, he doesn't see the field. He holds
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: the ball too long. We rip the Hoovers. We rip
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: the Sands. Arch is worse than all of them. He
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: makes the occasional big play. Well, yeah, they have the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: number one transfer wide receiver in the country. You text
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: any GM in college, they're like, you have no clue
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: how much money they gave Coleman. If I wanted to
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: push back on Sark, I'd go this. You are obsessed
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: with these skill guys. Your offensive line has stunk for
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: a while now. Why wouldn't you spend all your money there? Texas,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: you're going to recruit some. You'll have no trouble getting
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: some skill guys. How about spend all your resources on
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, offensive and defensive line, so everyone
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: says they have the best line of scrimmage in the country. Instead,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, they bought this running back. They bought
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: these wide receivers. I don't care. That's that's not Ohio
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: State and Indiana's like, God, the line of scrimmage, those
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: two teams.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Holy moly.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Especially defensive line. It's like, yeah, their defensive line is
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: good with Colin Simmons, but he goes out. It's not
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: quite the same. Well, and I just think like, listen,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: by all accounts, everyone I know, I know, you know,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: I'm a nice guy. Sometimes I need my coach to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: be a little bit of an asshole. I don't know
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: if you saw the clip after the game. He was
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: trying to be an a-hole because he knows he's desperate
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: now because they lose one more game. That Ohio State
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: win will carry a lot of weight, but they're not
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: one of the 12 best teams in the country.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: The best teams I've seen this year are, I still think,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame, BYU, Miami, Ohio State. I think Ohio State's defense,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: running game, And Jeremiah Smith will carry the day in
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: their coaching. I think they'll win close, close and ugly.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to be hyper-conservative, the Buckeyes will,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: with whoever their quarterback is. They have two young kids.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to be super conservative. They'll be
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: in a lot of close games. But that defense is
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: going to win games. That defense is going to create turnovers.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: They gave Indiana trouble, and Indiana is going to score
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: 30 points a lot. So, yeah, I just– Everywhere Sark's gone,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: he was coordinator of the year at Bama. He's moved
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: the chains. They are red zone, third down, yards per play. Well,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: it's not like they lack talent. I don't think Arch
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: sees the field. We've talked about this before. Justin Fields.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. There are these guys that you're like, they
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: just don't see it quickly. And then there are other
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: guys like Brock Purdy, who, I mean, Brady was legendary.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Brock Purdy sees the field as well as right now,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: anybody not named Patrick Mahomes. He sees the entire field.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Mahomes is great at that as well. Some guys just,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: what they say, some guys don't have fast eyes. They
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: just don't.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I, My theory, and I've been telling
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: you for a while, is the DNIL money has really
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: put pressure on these coaches to ride it out with
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: these quarterbacks. I'm watching Venables play Mateer. It's like, you
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: can't tell me this defensive coach wants to play this
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: guy that's turned the ball over every single game. And
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: I think that's where I was watching, I don't know why,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Michigan-Penn State, which was really rough. And when they came
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: out with Carr's brother, You're just like, he gave them
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: some life because he could just make some basic throws.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: And I think, I don't know, Whittingham, I think he
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: just said, I don't think he even swears because he's
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: a BYU guy, but I know he coached at Utah,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: but he went to BYU. He just had enough. And
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: he's like, if I'm going down, I'm not going down
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: like this. So he went to the backup. Well, Texas,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: I think Sark's in this weird spot. I will be
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: stunned if you just see Arch got benched in the
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: next couple days. I think they're going to ride it out,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: and it's going to cost him probably his job. And
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: the thing with Sark is, is he getting another job
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: immediately if you can't win at Texas? But I also question,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: who are Texas' options? I was looking online. I was
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: kind of nerding out on some real... message boards i
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: mean they're like talking kyle shanahan because in their mind
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: it's always been nick savin we'll just buy those guys
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: this is signetti's not leaving he has unlimited budget they
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: got money he can win there you don't have who
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: you steal.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: It Who wins at Texas? Mack Brown did when he
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: had Vince Young, but then after that, he had some struggles. Texas, again,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: it looks the part. It's like the Yankees, the pinstripes,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium, Aaron Judge, they're bad defensively, like the bullpen shaky.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: You watch them play the Rays and you're like, oh,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: they're not even close. But the Rays are better top
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: to bottom. Like a lot of times there's a prestige
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: with a franchise or a name. And in the end, Like,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I just Texas does not
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: consistently win. Oklahoma's won with virtually every coach they've had.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's been a couple of misses, but Bud
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Wilkerson won. Barry Switzer won. Bob Stoops won. Lincoln Riley said,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: what you want to average 11 wins like they they win.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: So I just Texas and I've been told this for years,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of voices, a very powerful A.D., Two billionaires
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: have a say. A lot of Texas ego around the building.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Austin's a cool place, cool donors, cool money. There's too
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: much going for it, the State School of Texas, to
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: not win more. I don't think it's just a Sark issue.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: I just think it's a tough place to coach. Doesn't
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: look like it, but it is.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of cooks in the kitchen. And I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: just think that... They would fire him, and the names
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: they would start saying out loud, they'd be shocked. In
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: this day and age, all these programs can pay their guys.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: What are you going to do, pay a guy $ 20
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: million a year? I just think it's a harder uphill battle.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: You're not stealing Kirby Smart from Georgia.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Well, they've had some misses. Tom Herman was a miss.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Charlie Strong was a miss. I mean, there's been some
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: real swings.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Sark has– and listen, I've been a hater over the years,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: but he stabilized that program. They're a real football program.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: I just think this year when they go all out
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: and they spend all that money. And Colin, they were
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: up two touchdowns in that game. That's the other thing.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, it'd be one thing if, hey, we just,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Florida just came in and we lost 40 to 20.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: You were in complete control.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: You're in complete control. And their quarterback, who is, you know,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: by all accounts, the highest paid quarterback in the country,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: got outplayed by a guy who'd never made a college start.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: who was a backup at Florida. You got outplayed by
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: a backup, who actually by the end of the game,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: you're like, I might just keep rolling with this guy.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: But you got outplayed by that guy. And the other
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: thing I think if you're a Texas and the money guys–
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: You know, and I understand Summerall was just coming off
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: two ass kickings, but like if you had to pick
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: a guy for the next five years, John Summerall is
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: more my style of guy. I think in college that matters.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: And I think Sark is a little more academic, more
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: of the, you know, intellectual offensive mind.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Play designer, play caller.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: At a place like Texas, you kind of got, look
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: at the best coaches in college. They can be assholes
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: every once in a while. Yes. You don't think Cignetti's
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: lighting into guys today on Sunday, watching that film, Kirby today.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: I think that's the DeBoer question. It's like they went
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: into Tennessee yesterday and they got shoved around. And I
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: remember asking a buddy whose brother had played for Kalen
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: at Fresno. I'm like, oh, this former offensive line from
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: the Dakotas, he's got to be kind of like a
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Pat Hill 2.0. They're like, no, actually, he's pretty measured.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: He's a smart offensive. He's not a screamer and a yeller.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: You're not getting what you think you would with that background, right?
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Little school, Dakotas, tough guy, offensive lineman at heart. He's
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: actually pretty low-key. And this team sometimes plays like that.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: And they went into Tennessee yesterday. I thought... Florida beating
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: them and Alabama getting work like that were the most
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: eye-opening games of the day. I got one thing for you.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of this, Colin, that the 2014
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: playoff will discredit or take away the importance of the
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: individual games. Football, I don't care if it's high school.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: I don't care if it's Division II. I don't care
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: if it's the NFL. Every game has always mattered. Anyone
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: been to a high school football game, whether that team
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: is De La Salle in their prime, haven't lost a
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: game in years or a program trying to be 500.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Did you Auburn, who is not going to sniff the playoffs,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: upset Georgia? The coach started crying with his son on
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: the sideline. Football is not the culture of these other sports. The.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: This is not the NCAA tournament with basketball where you
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: play 40 regular season games in college basketball. 24 teams
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: is not going to discredit the importance of the individual
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: games for college football because college football coaches, college football,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: every game has always mattered because you only get a
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: small number of games. I think that is the most overblown.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: We can argue whether that's too many teams or not.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: But it will not take away the enjoyment and the
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: intensity and how much people care. Players, coaches, fans included
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: on a weekly basis on Saturdays.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: John, I was telling a friend this over the weekend.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: I said, if the quality of something is great, you
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: have a bakery in town and they move. They can't
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: afford the lease. They move. People will find the bakery.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Now the bakery has more money. They expand. It's like
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: a warehouse bakery. people will still go to the bakery,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: even if it no longer has charm. If the quality
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: of something is strong, it can move, it can expand,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: it's okay. The bottom line is, Saturday was much better
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: than what we watched today. The drama, the intensity, the finishes,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: the officiating wasn't better, but it was one of the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: great Saturdays in a long time. And that has always been,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, it was very easy to move
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: off baseball for about 20 years. It got real slow. Okay,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: now they speed it up, right? They take away the
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: defensive ship. The games are faster. It's harder if you
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: get into a game. It moves. It's quick. The quality
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: got bad. The ratings dipped. In college football, when it
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: was about a three- to four-team sport, Alabama didn't sell
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: in all their home games. The attendance was going down.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: The ratings were going down. The Americans always seek and
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: move to quality. You can't watch yesterday, Saturday, and say, yeah,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not watching with a 24-team player. We're at 12-team.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: And by the way, NFL, 44% of teams make the playoffs. NBA,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: it's closer to 60. Hockey, it's 50. If you like hockey,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: you're still watching when the Red Wings are taking on
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: the Canadians and you got tickets and you go with
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: your girlfriend or buddies, you're having a great time. You're
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: totally engaged. You're rooting for your team. If you love something,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: people will find it and be loyal to it. All right,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: you can trade the 49ers to beat the Commanders at 78%
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: right now on Polymarket. I actually think it's going to
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: look a little like the Bills and the Raiders, which
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: finished 33-30, which is you're going to know who the
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: better team is, but it's hard to get the Niners
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: jacked up for Washington, right? And they've got bigger games ahead.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: They've had bigger games behind. I think the Niners win.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: But I think it may look a little like Buffalo, Vegas.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: We know who the better team is. But if Washington
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: closed late, and by the way, if the Niners get
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: dinged up, they rest a couple starters. I think it
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: could be competitive.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: If this game would have been on Sunday afternoon after
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: that Washington game last week, I would have been like,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: I could see Washington quitting. But we've been watching Monday
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Night Football games our whole life. Players, coaches, they get
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: up for it. You're playing on the prime time. The
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: seven and a half number, Colin, I think you would
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: have to take the Washington Commanders. Just because Monday Night Football,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: you're going to get a spirited effort. The 49ers are
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: kind of riding high. They kind of take a deep breath.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Seattle and the Rams just lost. So a little less
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: pressure on them. I'd be a little stunned if the
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: commanders don't have a valiant effort here on Monday Night Football.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Underdogs have rolled this year in these standalone games. This
• 1:17:49
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