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Sadhguru _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _542(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: I have some tour dates upcoming to tell you about Bloomington, Indiana,
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  Speaker 1: go through that link so you're getting fair-priced tickets. Today's
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  Speaker 1: guest is an Indian guru and a yogi. He is
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  Speaker 1: an author. He's a speaker. He's a spiritual teacher. He
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  Speaker 1: is the founder of the Isha Institute, which teaches yoga
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  Speaker 1: as well as other spiritual practices. They have a branch
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  Speaker 1: here in Tennessee, which is why he's here today. I'm
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  Speaker 1: really grateful for his time. Today's guest is Sadhguru.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me, how have you been?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, frenetic, I feel like a lot of times.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: That's just how I feel. I think I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: do a lot of things, like trying to get my
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  Speaker 1: brain to shift from like, sometimes like relaxing to being
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  Speaker 1: active or doing something you know it's like um.
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  Speaker 2: Human brain is capable of doing a lot more than that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah well good yes that's a positive to know that
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  Speaker 1: for sure yeah i believe that yeah i i definitely
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  Speaker 1: believe that i mean i'm grateful that my mind's able
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  Speaker 1: to kind of shift gears here and there where i
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  Speaker 1: need it you know um but sometimes it's like uh Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think sometimes I just feel frenetic.
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  Speaker 2: See, the thing is this, any machine for that matter,
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  Speaker 2: depending on what is the volume of friction there is
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  Speaker 2: within it, accordingly it'll reduce its ability to do things.
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  Speaker 2: If you take a car, let's say, if you take
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  Speaker 2: the best car in the world and if you reduce
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  Speaker 2: the lubrication oil, It'll go dead in no time because
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  Speaker 2: of friction. So, this also is the same thing. People's
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  Speaker 2: thoughts and emotions are in frictious condition. So, ordinary things
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  Speaker 2: that we can do feel stressful and all, almost all
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  Speaker 2: human misery is manufactured in human mind. Isn't it so?
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  Speaker 1: So, it's on the inside you're saying?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying, you tell me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Unless you are in a famine or a war zone
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  Speaker 2: or something where somebody can cause some trouble to you,
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  Speaker 2: rest of the time it's all self-help, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the war zone is more inside. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: not on the outside.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm saying physically if somebody is shooting a bullet
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  Speaker 2: at you, that's a different matter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But right now, we are poking ourselves all the time. Why?
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  Speaker 2: The important thing is, see, to get human intelligence to
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  Speaker 2: its present state, It's taken millions of years of evolution
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  Speaker 2: from an amoeba to make you like this. It's taken
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  Speaker 2: millions of years of evolution. It's just one word, but
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  Speaker 2: actually tremendous amount of research and development has happened to
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  Speaker 2: get you to this place. But now that brain is
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  Speaker 2: trouble for most people. Ninety-five percent of the people use
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  Speaker 2: this brain to harm themselves because if we give you
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  Speaker 2: something short, If I ask you a simple question, do
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  Speaker 2: you want your intelligence or intellect to be sharp or blunt?
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  Speaker 2: It's a question.
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  Speaker 1: I would like it to be sharp.
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  Speaker 2: Sharp. So, if I give you something sharp, how you
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  Speaker 2: hold it is very important. If you don't know which
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  Speaker 2: is the blade end, which is the handle, if you
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  Speaker 2: hold it tight, it'll hurt you more and more. Or
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  Speaker 2: if you're unconscious and you're like this, like this, like this,
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  Speaker 2: intestines may come out, you know. Why we don't give
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  Speaker 2: a knife? to a child's hand, not because knife is dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: Has it ever happened a knife popped up and stabbed someone?
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  Speaker 2: It never happened. Knife is not dangerous. It's the people
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  Speaker 2: who hold it and how they hold it. So, right
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  Speaker 2: now we've been given an intelligence. You know, there is
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  Speaker 2: a … there is a … the biologists today are
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  Speaker 2: saying the DNA difference between you and a chimpanzee is
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  Speaker 2: only 1.23%. 1.23% is not much of a ….
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  Speaker 1: It's not far off the jungle.
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  Speaker 2: Not far. So physiologically, that's how close we are to
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  Speaker 2: a chimpanzee. But in terms of our intelligence and awareness,
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  Speaker 2: we are worlds apart. So essentially, we have an intelligence
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  Speaker 2: for which we don't have a stable enough platform. If
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  Speaker 2: you don't create a stable platform, stable chemistry, stable energy,
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  Speaker 2: stable physiology, if you don't create that, your intelligence will
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  Speaker 2: work against you. Once your intelligence works against you, There
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  Speaker 2: is no force in the universe which can save you.
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  Speaker 2: You can call it stress, you can call it anxiety, misery, anger, angst, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Different levels of unpleasantness within you. Essentially, your intelligence not
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  Speaker 2: working for you. It's working against you. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, grateful to have you here today, Sadhguru. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: very much for coming. Yeah, that's a great place to start.
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  Speaker 2: Good that you called me here so I... You know,
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  Speaker 2: I get to golf in a good golf course tomorrow morning.
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  Speaker 1: Do you actually hit the ball or do you just
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  Speaker 1: imagine that it's in the hole?
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  Speaker 2: I've had four hole-in ones. Have you really? So I'm
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  Speaker 2: not an imagining character.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's good to hear. That's awesome, man. I wanted to,
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  Speaker 1: so you're like a, like a sorcerer, not a sorcerer.
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  Speaker 1: What is you got? You're, you're a. Visualizer? What is
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  Speaker 1: kind of the terminology that they use for?
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  Speaker 2: I'm a full-fledged human being. Okay. Is that good?
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  Speaker 1: That's fair.
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  Speaker 2: Because right now, human beings are always trying to cripple
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  Speaker 2: themselves with their thoughts, with their emotions, their whatever else. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If you do one thing, that in your life, you're
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  Speaker 2: not the impediment.
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  Speaker 1: You're not the what?
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  Speaker 2: You're not the impediment. You're not the problem. You are
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  Speaker 2: not the issue. There are thousand issues you need to
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  Speaker 2: handle in the world. The more you try to do,
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  Speaker 2: the more problems and more troubles there will be. All
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  Speaker 2: those things you handle to the best of your ability.
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  Speaker 2: But you are not the issue in your life. If
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  Speaker 2: you just ascertain this one thing, that you yourself are
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  Speaker 2: not an issue, just check and see for most human beings,
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  Speaker 2: they themselves are an issue. Their thought, their emotion, their needs,
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  Speaker 2: their compulsiveness, that's what is the big problem. Outside problems
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  Speaker 2: are small. So, if you ensure that you are not
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  Speaker 2: the issue in your life, then you are naturally a
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  Speaker 2: full-fledged human being. You will do the best that you
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  Speaker 2: can do in everything that you do. Well, your best
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  Speaker 2: may not be the best, but it's the best that
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  Speaker 2: you can do. In your life, if you do not
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  Speaker 2: do what you cannot do, there's no problem. But if
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  Speaker 2: you do not do what you can do, you're a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: But the moment... Your thought, your emotion is tripping you
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  Speaker 2: all the time. You will not even do what you
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  Speaker 2: can do, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: And how do we get ourselves in the best situation
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  Speaker 1: to be able to do what we can do?
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  Speaker 2: They tell me right now, we don't like the weather outside.
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  Speaker 2: For October, it's too hot in Nashville. So, what have
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  Speaker 2: you done? Turn on the air conditioning. What is the
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  Speaker 2: air conditioning called? This is climate engineering. You engineer the
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  Speaker 2: climate the way you want. How come your inner climate
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  Speaker 2: is not engineered properly? It gets hot, it gets cold,
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  Speaker 2: it gets boiling.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets confusing. You don't even know what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Why is it that your inner engineering has not been
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  Speaker 2: done so that you have the conducive climate that you want? So,
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  Speaker 2: my whole work is this, that to teach people how
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  Speaker 2: to engineer themselves. When I say engineer, people think it's
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  Speaker 2: some technology kind of thing. We need to understand. What
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  Speaker 2: we call as engineering today used to be magic at
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  Speaker 2: one time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I've heard of it.
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  Speaker 2: Huh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, magic. Yeah, they had wizards, everything.
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  Speaker 2: Like, not like that. If I sat here a thousand
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  Speaker 2: years ago and lights came on, what would you think
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  Speaker 2: I am?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Not magic.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe an electrician? No.
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  Speaker 2: Come on. There was no electricity a thousand years ago.
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  Speaker 1: I thought you'd have been mystical.
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  Speaker 2: I could have said I'm the messenger.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you could have said you're a messiah.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah. Or I could have claimed I'm the sun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or I could have said I'm himself. Yes. If just
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  Speaker 2: I turned on the light bulb. Unfortunately, I didn't have
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  Speaker 2: a light bulb a thousand years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now everybody has it, so it's not magic anymore, it's
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  Speaker 2: just engineering. So I'm just saying, engineering means when you
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  Speaker 2: engineer something well, it's more than magical. No magic can
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  Speaker 2: do those things. That we are doing, isn't it? You
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  Speaker 2: pick up your phone and talk to just about anybody
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  Speaker 2: in the world. If you did this two hundred years ago,
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  Speaker 2: you could have claimed your God himself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, if you engineer your interiority in the way it
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  Speaker 2: works for you, there are many ways to describe it.
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  Speaker 2: A simple way to say this is, let's say we
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  Speaker 2: create a chemistry. Today, everybody knows that all their experiences
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  Speaker 2: are in somehow connected to their chemical structure. What you
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  Speaker 2: call as joy is one kind of chemistry, misery is
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  Speaker 2: another kind of chemistry, anxiety is one kind of chemistry,
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  Speaker 2: tranquility is another kind of chemistry, agony, ecstasy, everything has
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  Speaker 2: a chemical basis. So, in many ways, if you look
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  Speaker 2: at the biochemistry of a human being, It is the
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  Speaker 2: most complex chemical factory on the planet.
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  Speaker 1: That's true?
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  Speaker 2: It is. Because the number of things that are happening
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  Speaker 2: every moment in every molecule of DNA and stuff is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: Suppose you can create a chemistry the way you want it.
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  Speaker 2: Would you create a chemistry of blissfulness or misery? Choose, choose,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to bless you.
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  Speaker 1: Blessfulness.
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  Speaker 2: You must choose quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I did and that's all I'm teaching people,
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  Speaker 2: how to create a chemistry of blissfulness. Understood. So, suppose
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  Speaker 2: you're blissful, no matter what. If you sit, stand, eat,
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  Speaker 2: don't eat, you're blissful. If you're blissful, essentially what it
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  Speaker 2: means is there is no fear of suffering.
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  Speaker 1: Ah.
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  Speaker 2: Only when there is no fear of suffering will you
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  Speaker 2: take full strides in your life. Otherwise, every step is
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  Speaker 2: a half a step. That's all that's happening to humanity.
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  Speaker 2: The fear of suffering is crippling them, not allowing their
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  Speaker 2: geniuses to flower. Every human being is capable of this,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not happening because the fear of suffering, what
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  Speaker 2: will happen to me? So, if you are given this assurance,
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  Speaker 2: no matter what happens around you, nothing happens to you.
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  Speaker 2: You are the way you are. You are blissed out
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  Speaker 2: all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to get blissed out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that. So if you can– No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't ask you to go for those things. Bliss
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  Speaker 2: doubt means not that. No. Bliss doubt means like this. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That is I fix my chemistry from inside, not from outside.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what you're– right, right. So you're saying if
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  Speaker 1: I get myself to a state that– because the state
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  Speaker 1: I can control is the state that I am. So
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  Speaker 1: if I can keep that state as comfortable as possible,
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  Speaker 1: then– Don't use the word comfort. Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: See, the chemistry causes bliss. See, every human being at
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  Speaker 2: some moment in their life, they have had blissful experiences. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Joyful experiences.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Loving experiences, ecstatic experiences. The same time, they were all
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  Speaker 2: versions of negativity experiences also have happened. So, essentially, are
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  Speaker 2: you competent of being blissful and ecstatic? You are, because
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  Speaker 2: it's happened to you already.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like, you're not like a rock where it
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  Speaker 2: didn't… go into such an experience. You have gone into
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  Speaker 2: that experience. Now only the question is about sustainability. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Sustainability is a problem right now because most experiences are
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  Speaker 2: happening in an unconscious manner. You are not causing it.
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  Speaker 2: Something else is causing it, an external stimuli. I look
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  Speaker 2: at something beautiful, wow! Why am I not wow without
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  Speaker 2: … with my eyes closed? This is what I realized
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  Speaker 2: very early on in my life. You know, one thing
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  Speaker 2: I realized was when I was just four and a
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  Speaker 2: half years of age, I realized I don't know anything. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know anything means don't know anything at all. To
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  Speaker 2: such an extent, if somebody gives me a glass of water,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what is water. I know how to
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  Speaker 2: use it. I know how to drink it. I know
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  Speaker 2: all the other things you can do, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what it is. Actually, even today you don't know
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  Speaker 2: what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You will say H2O.
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  Speaker 2: But with all this scientific exploration, we still do not
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  Speaker 2: know one atom in its entirety. We know how to
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  Speaker 2: use it, we know how to fuse it, we know
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  Speaker 2: how to make a bomb out of it, but we
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  Speaker 2: don't know what it is. So, if I find a leaf,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just looking at it for hours on end. If
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  Speaker 2: I sit up in my bed, I'm staring at the
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  Speaker 2: darkness for the whole night. My dear father, being a physician,
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  Speaker 2: he started thinking I need psychiatric evaluation because this boy
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  Speaker 2: is staring at something all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a daydreamer.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not dreaming. I'm just paying attention. See, I look
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  Speaker 2: at this, I don't know what this is. So, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not able to look at the other thing because I
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  Speaker 2: still don't know what this is. So, I went on
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  Speaker 2: like this and in this condition, they sent me to school.
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  Speaker 2: My mother said, you must pay attention to the teachers,
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  Speaker 2: don't look here and there. So, I went and paid
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  Speaker 2: attention to the teacher, the kind of attention they had
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  Speaker 2: never received in their entire life, that kind of attention. Then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, initially I saw, I kind of understood what
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  Speaker 2: they were trying to say. Then I saw, actually they're
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  Speaker 2: only making sounds. I'm making up the meanings in my mind. See,
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  Speaker 2: right now, if I start talking, in one of the
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  Speaker 2: Indian languages. You know, India has over 19,000 languages.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: If I speak one of those languages, as far as
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  Speaker 2: you're concerned, it'll be just sound. You can't attach meanings
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  Speaker 2: to it. Right. So, language is a kind of a
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy between two people. I utter one sound, you make
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  Speaker 2: up the meaning. You utter another sound, I make up
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  Speaker 2: the meaning. So, I just sat there, oh, they're only
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  Speaker 2: making sounds, I'm making up the meanings. I stopped making
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  Speaker 2: up meanings, just listen to the sound. Very attentively, not disregarding,
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  Speaker 2: listening carefully. Then I found it so amusing. Teacher after teacher,
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  Speaker 2: they come and make noises and noises and noises. A
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  Speaker 2: big smile spread on my face. But they were not
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  Speaker 2: amused at all. So, this happened probably twelve, thirteen years ago.
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  Speaker 2: It's twenty-four now, probably fourteen years ago. This school where
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  Speaker 2: I studied over 50 plus years ago, they came to
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  Speaker 2: invite me for their 125th anniversary.
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  Speaker 1: Wow!
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  Speaker 2: I said, see, you know, they came and said many things.
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  Speaker 2: I said, please see, I was not just a not
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  Speaker 2: good student. I was not even a student. I only
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  Speaker 2: came there when it is a must, otherwise I escaped. So,
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  Speaker 2: why me? Then they said, no, no, our school has
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  Speaker 2: produced film stars. Our school has produced cricketing stars, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in India, cricket. If you don't know anything about cricket,
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  Speaker 2: they'll take away your passport.
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  Speaker 1: Then I'll lie, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: So, we have produced cricketing stars, we have produced music stars,
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  Speaker 2: but you are the only mystic, you must come. I said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and I went there. I stood in the quarter angle,
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  Speaker 2: looked around. Same oppressive buildings. Then I suddenly remembered in
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  Speaker 2: this particular classroom what happened. I must have been around twelve,
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  Speaker 2: little over twelve years of age. One day a teacher
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  Speaker 2: comes and asks me a question. I've slowly graduated to
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  Speaker 2: a place where initially I was not attaching meanings to
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  Speaker 2: the sounds. After some time, I'm not even hearing the sounds.
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  Speaker 2: If I see somebody, I see just a blob of
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  Speaker 2: energy and all kinds of things happening, but I'm just
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  Speaker 2: fully attention, but I can't even hear what they're saying. So,
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  Speaker 2: he asked me a question and I'm just looking at
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  Speaker 2: him without a single word. And he tries to get
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  Speaker 2: an answer out of me for over thirty-five minutes. When
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't get it, he comes and holds me by
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  Speaker 2: the shoulder, shakes me violently like this and says, you
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  Speaker 2: must either be the divine or the devil. I think
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  Speaker 2: you're the later. Then till then my problem was, what
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  Speaker 2: is this? What is that? What is that? What is this?
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  Speaker 2: Because I don't have an answer for one damn thing.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody makes conclusions. Nobody knows. Yeah. All right? We don't
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  Speaker 2: even know a single atom properly. We don't know where
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  Speaker 2: we are in this cosmos. All right? Hello? Yeah. We
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  Speaker 2: don't know where we come from, where we go, what.
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  Speaker 2: People can invent and believe simple things. That's different. But
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  Speaker 2: if you really sincerely ask a question, you don't know. So,
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  Speaker 2: till that moment, I don't know anything, but I knew
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  Speaker 2: I'm this. Suddenly, I got confused. Is this divine or devil?
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  Speaker 2: What is it? I just tried to stare at myself.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't work, so I started closing my eyes. Then
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  Speaker 2: till that moment, looking at everything, the visual contact with
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  Speaker 2: life around me, from an insect to one hand to
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  Speaker 2: a leaf to just about anything, looked absolutely engaging and
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  Speaker 2: amazing to me, endlessly. See, it's made in such a way,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: if you pay enough attention, you can spend a lifetime
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: studying an ant and you will still not know fully
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: what it is in hundred years of life. That's how
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: profound and sophisticated and complex life is. So, I'm excited
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: about anything and everything looks amazing to me. But then
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I realized when I close my eyes, this whole thing
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: exploded to another dimension. Because what is within, when I
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: say within, not just thought emotion, as a life, what
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: is happening within is so phenomenal that I had no
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: need to open my eyes. If I close my eyes,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: I just keep it closed for hours and hours.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the inner world. Yeah, it's like a whole nother universe,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I guess, when you close your eyes and you start
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: to look within yourself. And I want to ask you
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: about some of that. I want to ask you first
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and say thank you very much for being here today, Seguru.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I'm very happy to see you and spend time with you.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Some of my best friends are extreme fans of yours.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Yes. Who are these guys?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my friend James Becerra is a huge fan of yours.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: He's been to, I think, some institutes maybe that you
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: have in India. That's where you're from.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Here we have.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one in Tennessee. Yeah. Yeah, the ISHI?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Isha Institute of Inner Sciences.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Isha Institute of Inner Sciences. And you started in India, though.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: That's where you're from. And what is the main religion
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: in India? Just so some of our audience can get familiar.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: If I say it in a few words, they may
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: not understand. So let me take a few minutes and
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: explain this. See, religion is a very external thing for us.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: in India. We don't have a religion or the religion
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: like that. We see that every human being has to
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: pursue his pursuit of truth, wanting to know what is
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: the nature of our existence here. And the only goal
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: is to find liberation from the mechanics of life which
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: sometimes give you a high, sometimes give you a low,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: sometimes makes you feel like top of the world, sometimes
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: crushes you. What is the basis of all this? To
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: figure this, we have methods and methods and methods. Everybody
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: who follows one method, they may think, this is my way.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: But nobody has any issue with the other. It's very strange.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, this part of the world will have difficulty understanding.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: In the same house, if there are five people, they
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: will be worshipping five different deities. But there is no
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: clash about it, there is no problem about it because
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: … See, it's up to you. If you can relate
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: to this plant, you can worship this plant. If you
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: can relate to your mother, you worship your mother. If
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you can relate to the cloud, worship the cloud. Because
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the important thing is how you feel about it. See,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: people are always thinking … I mean, this is a
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: very common terminology here, so I'm saying this. This is
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: not about cultural … this thing. See, for example, somebody says,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I love somebody. Why? Because he's a perfect person. That
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: is different. You may realize after some time how perfect
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: somebody is. Nobody is perfect, all right? The thing is
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: you love them. That is what is so special about it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Not because they're perfect, you love them. Because you love them,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: they look so wonderful. So this is a fundamental aspect
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: that we see our subjectivity determines everything. I see.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: So it's not that even going to that, example of love,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: it's not that you love the person because they're a
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: certain way. It's that you love them.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: You love them. So everything about them looks nice.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: So similarly, you relate to it whichever way. The important
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: thing is your experience of life should become profound. If
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: a plant can do it, if a tree can do it,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: if a dog can do it, a man or woman
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: can do it, or some other entity that you think
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: of do it. It doesn't matter to us. Whereas the
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: important thing is Every day as life goes by, your
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: experience of life should become more profound. Profound means you
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: have deeper roots into life, not living on the surface.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Because if you're living on the surface, one gale and
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: you get blown away.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one strong wind, a flood, yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Anything. So, to have real roots into the life. So, fundamentally,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: it is to live and to live totally. That is
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the only thing. But it's not a religion. Because the
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: word religion essentially implies you have to believe something. India
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: has always been recognized as a land of seekers. A
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: seeker means you can be a genuine seeker only if
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you realize, I do not know, isn't it? If you see,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know something, you don't have to label yourself
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: as a seeker. The human intelligence is such, it'll start seeking.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: You do not know where is the light switch. You
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: will seek, isn't it?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Understood. So, saying I don't know is the beginning of ….
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I do not know is a tremendous possibility. Whether it
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: is science or spirituality, the fundamental is I do not know.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Only if you see I do not know, the longing
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: to know will come and the possibility of knowing will arise.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Everything that you do not know, if you believe, it
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: will give you confidence. That is the whole thing. If
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: you need confidence, you must believe something. But confidence without
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: clarity can become disastrous.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Like what does that mean?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: See, right now, let's say this room is pitch dark.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: You can't see. There's no clarity. But you have confidence.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: You'll walk over me. If you have no confidence, at
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: least gently you'll feel your way through. But if you're confident,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: you will blunder through everything. This is what is happening
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: to a whole lot of people. Because they have confidence
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: where there is no clarity. The confidence is not a
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: substitute for clarity. Seeing things clearly is most important. Confidence
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: means you assume something and invest your emotion in it
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: and you become confident. So the question is just this.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Do you want solace or do you want a solution
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: to life?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Do you want solace or do you want a solution
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to life? And what does the word solace mean?
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Solace means we somehow convince you, don't worry, everything will
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: be okay. I see. Right.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Do you want to be convinced or do you want
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to … To know.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Do you want to know?
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: To know.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Or do you want to just be convinced about something? See,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: right now in this room of all of us, said
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: this is it. Among us, it becomes the truth. But
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: it's not the truth. All of us say that we
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: are not in Tennessee. We are in Timbuktu. Yeah. So,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: among us, we are Timbuktu people.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: But when you step out, you're in Tennessee.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I've heard you talk recently about how evolution is not
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: biological anymore, where we are as human beings, right? And
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that it's more about our conscious now. Can you expound
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit on that for me?
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: The way it has shaped us and the way we
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: have evolved, is not accidental. It's got something to do
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: with the planetary system as how this it is, how
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the whole system works. Or in other words, this solar
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: system is working like a potter's wheel to manufacture the
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: life that it has manufactured. To understand this, there are
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: various aspects to it, mathematical aspects to it, let me
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: not get into that. one important thing is the relationship
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: between the sun and the earth. We know all life
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: here is solar powered, just everything. The whole system of
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: evolution happened because when those very smart algae or fungi,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: we don't know which one, which one got smarter first?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Of who?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Of algae and fungi. Oh, okay. Between the two, there's
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: a competition. Both are claiming we did it first. Okay. Okay.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Some billion years ago, they learned one trick, how to
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: manufacture food from sunlight. Today, we call that photosynthesis. It
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: is that photosynthesis which is the basis of all life
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: on this planet. The plant life came and then animal life,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: everything happened. But the fundamental thing is we learned how
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: to transform sun's energy into food and energy for ourselves,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: for life. So, it's from there that came. So, today
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: we are also, we may not be directly solar powered,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: but everything that we eat is solar powered. If you
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: don't go out in the sun for a year, you know,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: you become paled out.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: So, it is the solar energy that's important, which also
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: controls the movement of the earth around itself. Yeah. This
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: 365 days or whatever. And the moon's movement around the earth,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: which is 28 days. or 27 plus something days. All
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: this is very related to our birth. One simple fact
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: is this. If our mother's bodies were not in sync
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: with the cycles of the moon, we wouldn't be born.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's true, huh? Because a menstrual cycle is related
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to the moon.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: It's exactly the moon cycle. Wow. So, you want to
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: know the yogic doomsday? Yeah. We are not doomsayers, but
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: there is a yogic doomsday. This calculation was made maybe
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: some twenty-six, twenty-seven thousand years ago. I'm sorry. Hmm, yep.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: They made a calculation and said, every year the moon
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: is moving away from the planet, approximately an inch and
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: a quarter, about fifteen millimeters per year, moon is... moon's
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: orbit is moving away. They made a calculation, in twenty-eight
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: thousand years, The moon will go so far away from
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: the earth that human women will not have menstrual cycles. No. So, quietly,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: human race will end.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: They're going to be angry too.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: The women are going to be angry if they don't
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: have them, I bet.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Not angry. They won't be women anymore.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good point, huh? Yeah, that's true.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: So, once they're not women, man will die too.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: So, it's not by ice or fire or bomb. If
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: we don't do that beforehand, in 28,000 years, it can happen.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: But this calculation was made, I'm sorry, I said the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: wrong number. It's about 3,400 or 3,500 years ago, they
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: made this calculation. So, approximately 24,500 or 25,000 Years later,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: this can happen because it is a fact that the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: moon is moving away from the Earth approximately 15 millimeters.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: So we're on the clock right now.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yes. 25,000 years, you will die.
• 30:59
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  Speaker 2: So, but this movement away from the earth need not
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: be 15 millimeters as it goes away. As earth's gravity's
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: influence becomes less and less, it could start moving little faster.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: But they say approximately this can happen in 28,000 years
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: at that time. Wow. For 25,000 years, let's say. So,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: this is how we are right now, the form of
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: our body, the shape and how it works. Everything is
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: very connected to the system in which we exist. So,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: we have recognized nine celestial bodies which have maximum influence
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: on us. There are 14, 15 of them. But nine
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: of them have very strong influence. In that, the most
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: important three are the sun, the moon and the planet itself. So,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: we are a consequence of this planetary system. Wow! This
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: happened approximately fourteen, fifteen thousand years ago or more. This
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: question was asked to the first yogi. We call him Adiyogi,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: that means the first yogi.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Adiyogi?
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that means the first yogi. The first yogi was
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: asked this question, that all these things you are teaching
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: us and we are struggling to understand and grow, why
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: can't human system be evolved to a bigger possibility? Essentially,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: they're asking, why can't we increase the size of our
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: brain or capacity, something like that. So, he explained something.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: He said, if something like that has to happen, some
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: fundamental change in the planetary system needs to happen, otherwise
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: it cannot happen. You have reached the peak of physiological evolution.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: But of course, anything that we said in the past,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: we don't believe. It has to come from our universities
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and laboratories, all right? Today, our laboratories and universities are
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: saying this neurologically. If you want to increase the capacity
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: of your brain, one thing you can do is pack
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: more neurons into your head. Like a lot of children
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: come like this. They come with excessive neuronal capacity. But
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: they're unstable. Yeah. Because too much. They're brilliant, but brilliance
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: can't do anything without balance, you know.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: It'll work against you.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. A lot of kids are really unbalanced. Yeah.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: So, one simple thing to do for these children is, unfortunately,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: here you take them to the doctor, medicate them to
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: … See, when you give a medicine to slow down something,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: everything slows down, all right? You don't have a tablet
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: which will go and act only in that place. It
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: will slow down everything. Sedations are given to children like anything.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: It's a wrong way to do it. If children are
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: like this, the thing you need to do is take
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: them out into the mountains, make them climb, play a game, swim.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Physical activity, intense physical activity, it'll burn down what is excess.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Or if you can teach them the classical system of yoga,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: it will do that very well. But if that is
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: not possible, You have enough space in United States, let
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: them run in the mountains, let them swim in the river, whatever. Yeah.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Physical activity to burn it down. Okay. Another way of
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: enhancing the capacity is you increase the size of the neuron. See,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: right now as you sit here in a restful state,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: 20% or more of your energy is spent on your brain.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Your brain is only this much. I'm sorry, that much. Okay.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it could be a little less over here too.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: So, if … if your brain is this much, it's
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: consuming twenty percent of the energy. This big body is
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: consuming eighty percent, this much brain is consuming twenty percent,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: that is the nature of the brain. If you increase
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: the neuron size, the volume of energy it'll consume will
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: be such, even your physical growth will not happen properly.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: And you cannot sustain that. So, today neuronal scientists are
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: explaining it this way, but way back 15,000 years ago,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Adiyogi said, unless there are fundamental changes in the planetary system,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: you cannot evolve beyond, but you can evolve consciously. I see.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: So physiologically, body-wise, we can't evolve anymore.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: If you're thinking of growing horns or something.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Or wings or something, yeah.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: That won't happen.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: But the existing system is largely unused.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: So, the inner system.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: The conscious.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: No, don't even go to consciousness. That's another thing. If
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: you wish to go there today, we will go. Otherwise,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: we won't go. Okay. Just the neuronal system is largely unused.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Most studies say our brain capacity is only used 8
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: to 12% in average human beings. Wow. Some are using
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: up to 20%.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some are not.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Yes. 20% is still not a great percentage.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: No, yeah.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: It's like a G minus, I think.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what it is.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Because I didn't go to school much, so I don't
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: know what grades they gave me.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Let us imagine they were good, you know? So
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: if we only are using up to 20%, but you
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: believe that we can evolve that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Yes. Wow. You can push it. If you push it
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to 100%, You'll be five times at least, probably many,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: many fold more than what you are right now in
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: terms of your intelligence and capacity, which some human beings
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: are displaying, all right? Yeah. So, initially you said about
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: this whatever. See, for example, the number of things I'm doing,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: probably I don't know what you know about us, the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: number of projects and things, all being done by a
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: volunteer organization. Every day, you know, I have to guide them.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: It's not like they're professionally trained. Mm-hmm. Running a volunteer
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: organization means nobody's trained for the job. They're enthusiastic.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're enthusiastic. But they're not trained.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: For the job. And you can't fire them for inefficiency.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: So try to run something like this. Over 18,000, I
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: mean 18 million volunteers across the world.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, part-time. Full-time, over 6,000 full-time volunteers. Massive projects being
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: run in many places. We are the largest ecological movement
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: on the planet right now. We are the largest tree
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: plantation program on the planet right now.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Replantation?
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Tree, tree plantation.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Tree plantation.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: We just completed about 25 or 26 days ago, we
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: completed 114 million living trees.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: So, all this takes a certain amount of work. And
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: also our programs are going on all around the world.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: for all this, it takes a lot of management. At
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: any given time, I can run 14 tracks in my mind.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: They're all simultaneously working. Every building that is designed, I
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: design it. From a door bolt to window to everything,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I get engaged.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, from the windows to the walls, yeah.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Now I'm trying to withdraw from those things, but this
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: is how it's been for last 30, 40 years.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: So, people ask me, Sadhguru, so much work, how do
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: you unwind? I said, I don't wind myself up. Why
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: should I unwind? You wind yourself up and then you
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: want to unwind? The important thing is this, which unfortunately,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: very sad consequences are happening to people because somewhere they
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: have also realized this. The most important thing is, if
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: you want to be stress-free, you must be intoxicated.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: If you want to be stress-free, you must be intoxicated.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Yes. Intoxication does not mean your Uncle Jack Daniel. Yeah.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Intoxication means, as I already said, this is the most
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: complex chemical factory. If you create a certain chemistry within you,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: you are always torn, but not unalert. Because we are
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: not against intoxication, we are against incompetence.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: So, if you take chemicals from outside, either alcohol or
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: drugs or anything, you become incompetent as to what you
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: can do. There is no time or room for incompetence
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: in this life because our life is very brief. For
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: what … what possibilities human intelligence creates, the … the
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: … what possibilities human intelligence can create For that, we
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: don't have enough time. If you live to be hundred years,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: it's too brief. But have you noticed this? On a
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: particular day, you're very joyful. Twenty-four hours, poof, went off
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: like a moment.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Another day, you're a little depressed. One day goes like
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: a eon. Yeah. So, time is a very relative experience. So,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: intoxication is important, but not from outside. But if just
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: intoxication means you'll sit around, You need exuberance of life.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: If exuberance and intoxication is there at the same time,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: then you know how to be still. Stillness, exuberance, intoxication–
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: if these three things happen within you at the same time,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: life is like a breeze, no matter what is the situation.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Every day there are situations for us. Our activity is global.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: And all kinds of troubles because we don't subscribe to
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: any particular... See, we don't subscribe to any particular religious
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: group or philosophical group or anything. So, just about everybody
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: is against us one way or the other. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: We don't ascribe to any political group. So, political groups are...
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Everybody thinks I'm their enemy. Though we've not done anything
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: against anybody. But you grow in size without being aligned
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: to anybody, they think you are their enemy. This is
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: the human mentality. So, constantly something going on. So, I
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: created one image. I took two and a half years
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: to design this face. Today, it's in the Guinness record
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: as the largest face on the planet.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: The largest face?
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Yes. This is to acknowledge and also inspire people. This
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: is the face of Adiyogi. So, when I wanted to design,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I set this goal for myself that it should have stillness,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: intoxication and exuberance on its face. I took two and
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: a half years and we made this internally within our center,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: our own people, our own engineers. Engineers means not qualified.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Engineered by me. We together created this and that face
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: has become like a huge thing in India. It's a
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: destination point right now.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Where is it? I want to see it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: See, here it is. Can you make a single large picture? See,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: that is the face. So … That's beautiful. You must
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: tell me whether I've succeeded in stillness, intoxication, and exuberance. Yeah,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: that one. There we go. Yeah. Wow. It's 112 feet tall.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: And what did they make it out of? What is
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: it composed of?
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: This is steel.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: And is it.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Individual pieces that were put together like a puzzle?
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Yes. Individual pieces. Now... Second one we did in Bangalore
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: and that is also of the same size. Now others
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: will come of a much larger size. The idea is
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: to move human well-being from belief system to philosophies to
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: ideologies to technology. Technology is a well-being. This is what
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Adiyogi gave fifteen thousand years ago, methods and technologies as
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: to how you can transform yourself. Not philosophies, morals, ideologies.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Methods and technologies. Though he gave this 15,000 years ago,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: and in every generation, there has been certain number of
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: people making use of it. I think the humanity was
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: never ready like today, that we are willing to look
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: at technology as a solution for everything. So, that goes
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: for your inner well-being also. So, how to be well?
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: There is a technology. When I say technology, the most
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: sophisticated technology on the planet is human mechanism itself, isn't it?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: The question is, you have the most sophisticated technology, but
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: have you read the user's manual?
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, a lot of us haven't. And a lot
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: of us don't even think that they're, it's like you
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: don't even start to examine the directions, you know, it's
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: like you don't even get to know the instrument, but
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: you're just playing music all day. And a lot of
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: times it ends up being music you just already heard.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: You're just repeating other people's music, right? Or you're repeating
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: a You're not really learning the instrument or creating your
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: own song.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: If it's music, it's okay, mostly noise.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good point. It's a trap of noise.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: How would someone start to get to know themselves, would
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: you say? I know that's kind of a broad question,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: but a lot of times we're just living, right, instead
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: of kind of experiencing ourselves, I feel like, especially these
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: days when a lot of our attention is captured so much.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: but how would you suggest that we start to get
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: to know ourselves?
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: The first thing is to make a distinction between what
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: is you and what is not you. Right now, because
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: you're a podcaster, you can't live without this microphone, right?
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: But is this you? No. No. It's your mic. Fine.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: You wear clothes. Is this you?
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: No.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: No. Similarly, you have a body. Is it you?
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Now, that's where it gets a little questionable.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Let's come to that now. You were born like this?
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Same shape and size?
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Smaller.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Like this?
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: A bit. That tiny bit has grown like this.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: How? By being fed, nurtured, I guess?
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Fed.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, fed.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Essentially food. Yeah. Food means what? It came from the earth,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: either in the form of vegetable, animal, fish, whatever, essentially
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: it's piece of earth. So you put this piece of
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: earth into you and it became like this. So now
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: if this piece of earth that you call as food
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: appears in your plate, you say, this is my food.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: You eat it and then you say, this is me.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: This is like you became a podcaster after a few years.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: You start saying this microphone is me.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Then people know you lost it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: use the microphone, they may be happy. Yeah. You start
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: thinking I'm the microphone or the damn microphone starts speaking
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: by itself. Yeah. Dangerous. Yeah. Right now, that's all that's happening.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Body is telling its own story. Your mind is telling
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: its own story. Your body is just an accumulation of food.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Your mind is just accumulation of impressions. Both these things,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: if you use it, wonderful. They're great instruments. But if
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: they use you, it's terrible. That's all that's happening. The
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: bodily needs and psychological needs have captured and destroyed most
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: human beings on the planet. They'd invest their whole life
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: to fulfill their bodily needs or their psychological and emotional needs.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Yes or no?
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, for sure.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: You're not here to just take care of their needs.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: You're here to use them, to ride them towards whatever
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: matters to you. But that's not happening because there is
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: no distinction, there is no distance. So, the simple thing
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I can do for you is, we can teach you
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: a simple method. That if you sit here, this is
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: called as Shambhavi, it's part of the enuntering process. If
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: you sit here, your body is here, your mind is here,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: you are little away. Little space. Once there is a
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: space between you and your body, between you and your mind,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: this is the end of suffering because there are only
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: two kinds of sufferings that you know, physical suffering and
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: mental suffering. Do you know anything else? No. Physical and
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: mental suffering.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Once there is a distance between you and your body,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: between you and your mind, this is the end of suffering.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Now when there is no fear of suffering, Now your
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: intelligence blossoms. Now what is being human finds expression. When
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: I say being human, there are many ways to go
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: at it. Simple thing is, we recognize that there are
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: many creatures from microbes to worms to insects to birds, animals, trees, everything, everything.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: But we call them all creatures. This is the only
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: creature that we call as human being What this means is,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: this is the only creature which has crossed that line,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: where instead of living out of compulsive reactions, instinctive reactions,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: this has become conscious enough that it can choose how
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: to be. Once you become human, there is a possibility,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: no matter what's happening around you, you can choose how
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: to be. All other creatures are in compulsive, instinctive reaction.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: This one can choose consciously. Unless that happens, the evolution
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: is not complete, I'm saying. This is why I said
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: evolution is conscious. Right now you sit here, I won't,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: but I'm saying usually people are doing it to each other.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Let's say I abuse you, yeah. Now you can either
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: react instinctively or Consciously respond as you feel fit. So
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: in one, you will employ your intelligence. In another, fit
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: of energy, which will mostly end lost to you than
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: to the other. Right.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: So you're saying that how we can get to know
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: ourselves is by starting to create a little bit of
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: space between....
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: What is you and what is not you.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Your body is an accumulation, isn't it?
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: What you accumulate can be yours, can never be you,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: isn't it?
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Same goes for your mind. It's an accumulation of impressions. So,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: in the night before you go to bed, you try
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: this today. Lie down, everything that you have accumulated in
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: your life, your home, your family, your relationships, everything and
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: everything that you have, including your body, mind, emotion, thoughts, memories,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: just keep it on the bedside and go to sleep. Initially,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: you will find it's kind of confusing. But if you
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: apply yourself, one day when you sleep and wake up,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: you'll wake up like a flower. Really? Yes.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: So you just say, I'm going to leave these things here.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: No, there are meditative processes for that. I see. Because
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: when you do it intellectually, you get caught up in
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: that only. Right. Instead of that, there are methods with
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: which if you sit here, clearly there's a distinction between
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: what is you and what is not you. As we
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: already went through, suffering happens physiologically and psychologically. Once there
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: is a distance between these two, this is the end
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: of suffering. Forget about being ecstatic. Most people can't be peaceful.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: This happened in Tennessee, a man died. And then funeral,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: everything happened, burial happened and the wife wanted to buy
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: a tombstone for him. Usually these tombstones are all coming
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: from India.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you guys. A lot of them are very nice.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Most of the granite tombstones are coming from India. So,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: the wife ordered from India and she had a plaque
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: written on it and she put it. People came and saw.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: It was written there, rest in peace until we meet again.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of pressure.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Saying rest in peace till you and me meet once again.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Things will start.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Wow. So once we start to get to be able
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: to separate.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: No, don't blame it on me. I'm asking you. Is
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: body an accumulation? Yes. You're saying it, not me. Is
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: your mind an accumulation of impressions?
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just an impression of things.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Whatever you accumulate, it can belong to you. But can
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: it be you?
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: No.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: That's it. You're saying it, not me. Don't accuse me.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Okay. Good call. Good call. Yeah, this is me saying it.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: A lot of our capacity these days for consciousness has
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: been hijacked by our phones, right? By cell phones.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Not really.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: You don't think?
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: No, not at all. I find phone as a very
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: blessed instrument.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, I have to know this then.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Because... If that damn phone was not there, how many
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: places I will have to hop from here to there,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: there to there to get things done. Today, I wake
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: up in the morning, if I just look like this,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: in ten minutes I'll handle twenty different issues around the world.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: It's a good point.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: So, phone is a tremendously useful instrument. If you don't
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: know how to use it, of course. You can even
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: kill yourself with the phone, take it and bang it
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: on your head. It'll break. Not the phone, your head. So,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I'm saying anything that's given to us, it all depends
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: on how we use it.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Right, just like the baby with the knife.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Like a man with intelligence, cutting himself into pieces. So,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: you just go stand in the street, everybody is driving
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: their dream car, whatever their dream is, they're driving that car.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Just block the traffic for five minutes. You'll see how
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: they'll freak and fret. They're sitting in their dream car.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Somebody is giving you an opportunity to stay in the
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: dream car for another five minutes, but they'll freak and
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: fret because the question is not about the situation. No
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: matter where you put them, they will create suffering because
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: the suffering is not from the situation. Suffering is mental condition,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: isn't it? See, if they have a job, they will stress.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Fire them, they will stress. Get them married, they will stress. Stress.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Get them divorced, they will stress. Make them live, they
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: will stress. Make them die, they will stress. All right? So,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: stress is not a consequence of what you're doing. Stress
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: is a consequence of you not knowing the nature of
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: how your mind functions, what is needed to make it
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: work well. Like these people asking me, Sadhguru, what do
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: you do to unwind? First of all, why do you
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: wind yourself up and then unwind?
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's most of what we do now. It's a
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: lot of like, yeah, it's a lot of feeling like
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: we need to adjust ourselves, right?
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  Speaker 2: To what?
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a good question. But I think
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: that's a lot of the general feeling is like, I
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: need to adjust. I need to affect myself.
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Adjust to what? With what?
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It could be anything. It could be
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: with drugs, alcohol. It could be with just scrolling on
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: your phone. It could be with anger. I just think
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, we feel like we need to
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  Speaker 1: do something all the time.
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  Speaker 2: That means you don't know how to be. Then how
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  Speaker 2: do you earn the title human being? We must strike
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: it off as a human creature.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: I agree. It feels like we're getting back more towards creatures.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: It's important to become a human being because that's a
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: privileged position in the evolutionary process that we've been placed
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: in a place where we can determine the nature of
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: our experience.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that a higher consciousness did that? Do
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: you think it was on purpose?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: See, what is consciousness? Right now, are you conscious? Yeah.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: You're conscious you're here, you're conscious that I'm here. So,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: you're conscious. Now, the question is only of how conscious. Yes? Yeah. So,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: nobody is really unconscious. Even in your sleep, you're somewhat conscious. Yes.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Question is, how conscious? Right now, if you sit here,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: sit here, sit here another twelve hours, you'll feel little droopy.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Then you'll become less conscious, less conscious, less conscious. In between,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: if I say ten words, you'll hear five. Then you'll
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: hear two. Then you won't hear anything. Now, how many
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: are you hearing? None. No? None. The ten I speak,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: you're hearing none?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Come on. Because I'm unconscious then.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: No, no, you are hearing right now. I'm saying as
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: you become less and less conscious, you'll hear less and less.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Right? Yes. So, this is all life is, that right now,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: you know, these lights have been masked a bit. Generally,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: we control them with a little rheostat or a fader
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: or whatever you call it. So, if you put it
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: at low fade and there's only single light, it lights
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: up only this much. Full … The room is dark,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: just lighting you mildly. Then I think, oh, Only this
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: guy is there, because I see only you. Somebody lights
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: up the fader a little bit, heightens the voltage. Then
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: I see, oh, this is there, that is there, that
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: is there, that person is there, that person is there.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Light it up fully. Everything that's in this room is
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: crystal clear to me. This is consciousness. How intense have
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: you kept? If your consciousness has to be like that,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: you must keep your physiology very clean and vibrant, your
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: mental structure unentangled. Unentangled means you are not stuck in
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: your own ideas of what it is. You're using your
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: intelligence to see what is there, not make up what
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: is not there. If you … I've said this joke
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: a few times, so you might have heard it, but
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: let me say it. See, if you build castles in
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: the air, And start believing it's true. Then we say
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: you are neurotic. Yeah. But then after some time you
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: start living in that castle. Then we say you're psychotic. Yeah.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: Then somebody comes and collects rent for that castle. That's
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: called psychiatrist.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: That's called psychiatrist. That's awesome.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Because people are creating this. Essentially, what is it? Your intelligence,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: your memory and imagination going wild. Yeah. Uncontrolled. Yeah. These
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: are the two faculties, which are most beautiful things about
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: being human, that you have a vivid sense of memory.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: What happened yesterday is vividly there in your memory. Using that,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: we have a fantastic sense of imagination. Yeah. But these
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: are the two biggest problems that human beings have. What
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: is all the human suffering about? You ask people, they
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: still suffer what happened ten years ago. And they will
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: suffer that is yet to happen day after tomorrow. What
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: happened yesterday is not alive right now, isn't it? It's
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: only alive in your memory. Is it anywhere else? No. No.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: It's gone.
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  Speaker 2: So, you're suffering something that does not exist. What may
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: happen day after tomorrow, you're already suffering. Does it exist? Mm-mm.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: If you suffer that which does not exist, what should
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: we say about you?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: You could be doing better things with your time.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: What should we say about that person?
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: That they.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: That you suffer something which is not here.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They're just... Yeah, they're... That's worrying, right?
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: That's called crazy.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: mind is like this. Can I try and experiment with you? Sure.
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  Speaker 2: All the postures, yogic postures not needed for this. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get an A.
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  Speaker 2: This is called a Brahma Mudra. All such serious things
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  Speaker 2: not needed. I'm just going to tell you, close your
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  Speaker 2: eyes and don't think of monkeys. Do not think of
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: a monkey. No monkey. No monkeys at all, okay? Only monkeys,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: come on. So I'm saying this is the nature of
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: the mind. In this mind, there is no subtraction and division.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: There is only addition and multiplication. Whatever you try to do,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: it will become one more, one more. If you try hard,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: it will multiply. How many monkeys did you see?
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  Speaker 1: At least three.
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  Speaker 2: If you try hard, it will become 3,000.
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  Speaker 1: Well, one of them was calling his friends, so I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: could tell that it was going to start to grow.
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  Speaker 2: So essentially, this is the nature of your mind. You
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: cannot forcefully make it do something else. But you can
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: handle it in such a way, the way you want it,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: only if you're above it. Right now, you're misunderstanding your
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: psychological process as existential. See, what is happening in your
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: mind is your psychological drama. On what platform is this
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: drama being played? The life that you are. Are you
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: alive or no?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm alive.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: You're alive. Not because of your thought and emotion. Because
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: some European guy said, I think so I exist, so
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: I'm asking.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but as far as I know, I exist.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: You exist, so you may think, may not think. Like,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: because I exist, I may fly my hand or I
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: may keep it here. Similarly, I may fly my mind
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: or keep it here. But because most people have become
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: so compulsive, they think because they think they exist. No,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: because you exist, you may think, if you wish. Got it.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: But that option and that choice has been given away
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: by most people. Thought is like a diarrhea. It's happening
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah. Not by choice. Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. So, the important thing to understand is
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: that your mental and emotional stuff is psychological drama. It
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: is happening on the stage that we call as life. So,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: suppose your drama, one act is not going the way
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: you think it should go. We should change the act,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: end the act and change the act, not burn down
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: the stage. Right. Right now, we're burning down the stage
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: with mental illnesses, suicide. These things are growing in such
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: a scale, no more it's individual problem, it's like a
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: global problem. We are in the process of launching what
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: is called as miracle of mind. that we are launching
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: a very intelligent app which would provide simple tools for
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: people to just 12, 15 minutes a day.
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  Speaker 1: And what's it called?
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Miracle of Mind.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Miracle of Mind?
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Because mind is a miracle, isn't it? Every miracle that
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: we have affected has only happened out of our mind.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: But we think it's a problem.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. We're treating our mind like it's a problem, huh?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: It is not a problem.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: I haven't even thought about that. It's like we're treating
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: the greatest thing that we have as if it's a
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: problem all the time.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: Because it's a sharp knife. If you had the brain
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: of an earthworm, you would need marijuana, drugs, alcohol to
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: be peaceful. You would anybody be peaceful. It can even
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: be achieved now. If you remove half your brain, you
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: will sit here peacefully. Destroying the possibility and then being
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: peaceful is meaningless. Keeping all the human possibility full on
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: and then you're peaceful and joyful, then it's wonderful. You
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: destroy it, you soak it in alcohol, you sit in
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: one corner, you smoke and sit in one corner and
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: you think you're peaceful, it's meaningless peace. That way death
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: is better, death is peaceful. Rest in peace till we
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: meet again.
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  Speaker 1: Till we meet again. Oh, that sounds pressuresome even. You
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: just died and you already have an appointment on the books.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: That's the part that sounds pressuresome to me. Yeah, we
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: have a ton of anxiety. I mean, that's a buzzword
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people use nowadays is anxiety, anxiety.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Become a qualification. Is what? For a lot of people,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: I'm distressed and disturbed and I'm anxious has become a qualification.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: They think it's a qualification. They don't understand. It's destruction
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: of human nature. Destruction of human possibilities, isn't it? Yeah.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. Yeah, I think. It's definitely something that's
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: very common now. I mean, I buy into it as well.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I feel like I'm dealing with
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: depression or I'm anxious. I hear a lot of younger
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: people say anxious, though. That's one thing I hear them
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: say a lot, like I have anxiety. And I never
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: heard that when I was growing up. I never heard
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: anxiety that much. You hear it a lot now.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: We had no clue. We didn't know how to spell
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: anxiety when we were young.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Now the thing is there are many, many factors to this.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: There are sociological factors. There are other factors like there
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: is not enough nutrient in the food. There's not enough
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: strength in the soil. So there's not enough strength in
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  Speaker 2: the food that we consume.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. A lot of the soil we're using now
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: I know is it's just soil we've used so many
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: times it's getting there's nothing left in it, you know.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: and we're growing our food out of it.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Nothing left means what is not left. See, we must
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: understand this. If you take that much of sand and
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: add enough organic content to it, it becomes soil.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: If you take rich soil and take off all the
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: organic content from it, it becomes sand. Yeah. So, essentially,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: it's the organic content. What does the organic content do?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: It feeds the organisms. What are these organisms? There are
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: trillions of species of organisms. In a handful of soil,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: There could be anywhere between six to nine billion organisms,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: a handful of soil. Fifty to seventy thousand species of
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: organisms in one handful of soil.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Wow!
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: But we are starving them to death. They are the
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: foundational life. Even in your body, sixty percent is organisms.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Only forty percent is your parental genetics. Wow! Sixty percent
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: is other organisms. So, these organisms are the foundational life
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: for everything. For a plant, animal, human being, for everything,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: this is the foundational life. They are dying in trillions
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: per day or per hour because there's no food. Why
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: there's no food? If organic material has to come into soil,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: there are only two sources. It's so simple, but unfortunately,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: the world doesn't seem to get it. There are only
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: two sources. You can't make it in the factory. You
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: can't… Do something else. You can't bring it from Mars.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Only two sources. Green litter from the trees and animal waste.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: These are the only two sources of organic material on
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: the planet. Tell me in your farm, the farms that
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: we see in the world today, where are the trees,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: where are the animals? No, tractor is doing all the
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: job the animal used to do, but the tractor doesn't shit.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, yeah, we need to try. Yeah, we got
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: to turn.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: We got to put a... digestive system on a tractor.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: If there's no organic content, the organisms will start dying. See,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: the minimum organic content that is needed to coil soil
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: as soil, according to UN agencies, is 3%. 3%.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: That's how much soil needs to be organic content?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: That is the minimum organic content that should be there
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: in the soil. But the shame is not a single
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: nation Not even one single nation on this planet has
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: 3% average organic content across their lands, not even one.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: The highest is 2.4% in northwestern Europe. Southern Europe is 1.1%.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: United States is 1.25%. Africa is 0.03%. Oh, man! India
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: is 0.62%. This is death. Most agencies are saying we
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: only have another 60 harvests left, not years, harvests left.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Wow. Because there'll be nothing in the soil to make
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: any more food. I wonder if, because sometimes I wonder
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: if like some of these like forward thinkers and these
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: larger corporations that buy up a lot of the land
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: and farmland, if they know that, you know, if they're
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: like planning ahead, you know, like instead of fixing the
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: problem though.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: They're trying to exploit the problem.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Like instead of getting our soil better, people
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: would rather, well, let's find something we can eat that
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: we don't have to grow in the soil, you know?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: See, there is no such thing as growing elsewhere. Do
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: you understand? For all that, the basis is in nature,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: all right? We can reproduce that. We can use it
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: in so many different ways. But you can't completely produce
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: something out of nothing.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: There's no such thing. So, organisms are not just for food.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: Our very body is organisms. Right now, why all these
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: immune issues, psychological issues is, the life material is collapsing.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: But the first one that collapses is the psychological, the software.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: The software is collapsing. Yeah. Hardware is also becoming weak.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Our immune systems are not as they were some time ago. Well,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: in this, apart from the soil being like that, there
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: is … lot of alcohol usage, drugs, especially in teenage
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: period when people are growing up, alcohol, this, that, smoke,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: various things just weakening. There are substantial studies to show
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: during the growing period, those who consume these things, their
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: ability to get into depressive states, their ability to lose
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: balance over their mind is very, very high. In UK,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: so many studies have been done which clearly show this,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: that the amount of depression which is there in those
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: who abused these things when they were very young, when
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: the brain was still growing.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: That's Ireland. That's mostly Ireland, probably.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: No, UK, generally.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: Is it all of them?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: London is a hotbed for everything.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: But so obviously, so if this, so we, so man,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things to think about.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: we're not getting the proper nutrients that we need. So
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: you think that that contributes to some of the anxiety
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: that people are dealing with these days, like younger generation?
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense. If they're not properly nourished,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: then how would you be able to create a stable
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: environment inside of yourself, right?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: 100%. See, many studies shows this. If you, in 1920s,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: that's a little over a century ago, if you ate
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: one California orange, What you got from that. Today, if
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: you have to get the same amount of nutrition, you
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: have to eat eight oranges. Have you eaten eight oranges
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: any one day?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: You will turn orange. Your blood won't be red. It'll
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: become orange.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, man, I would hate eating eight oranges. It would
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: take you half the day. It would take you an
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: hour and a half.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: The United States, west of Mississippi, these are all grasslands,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: the prairies. We plowing them deep 14, 15 inches with
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: a machine, all right, with a tractor. The once you
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: plow the grassland, the reason why it's grassland, why there
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: are no trees in that part of the country? Because
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: it's windblown. My experience, people, they have traveled with me
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: when I rode motorcycle across the western part of United States,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: the biggest problem is the wind. Yeah. I'm riding a
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: heavy motorcycle which is over 360 kilograms, but it goes
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: like this. Because the wind is so strong. That's why
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: there are no trees, because it's windblown. So, in this,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: if you plow 14, 16 inches, all the soil, topsoil
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: is flying away. You've heard of the dust bowls of
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: the past. Even recently, it happened in Illinois. So, I
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: was just talking to somebody and they're saying they're so
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: excited about … You know, I don't remember the number exactly.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: They said so many million tons of soil landed up
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: in New York City. The tall New York building stopped
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: … So much soil. I said, what foolishness is this?
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: You're just looking at the million tons of soil which
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: the New York City building stopped. What about probably a
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: trillion tons of soil which went into Atlantic? Yeah. Because
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: you plowed the prairie so deep. It's a grassland. Grassland
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: means it's windblown. Windblown.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: It's just blowing it off. Yeah, I think it's just
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: … We don't care enough, I guess.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: It's tough.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: No, everybody says I'm Generation Z. So they think they're
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: the last generation. Right.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: They're passing along the problem.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: No, no. See, when you say Z, that means the
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: final thing, right? Oh, it's true, huh?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: This is it.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Generation Z means I'm the final generation.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that. Yeah, I guess we
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: don't have a strategy for after this. That's what it
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: sounds like.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: No, we can still turn it around. I don't know
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: if you have heard of the safe soil movement. See,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: here I am.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Safe soil. No. Save our soil. Save soil. Save soil. Okay.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: As a part of changing the policy, because this can't
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: be fixed. See, if I say this, especially in California,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: I started speaking and they say, okay, I'll go and
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: fix my kitchen garden. You fixing your kitchen garden is
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: very cute. I appreciate that. Yeah. But it's not a solution.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: Solution will happen only when the Policy changes as to
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: how we use our soil. Soil is not a resource.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Soil is a legacy that's come to us from previous generations.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: It's our business to see that it goes to next generation,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: if not better condition, at least the way they gave
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: it to us.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: At least that much. But we are finishing it off,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: all right? Fifty-two percent of the agricultural soils are already degraded.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Hmm. And do you think that's just a mindset that
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: we have? I guess like you're saying, it's like we've
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: reached Generation Z. Maybe nobody's thinking about soil as a legacy.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: They're just thinking about what can I.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: Get from it now. See, let me tell you this.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not a scientist.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: But I've spoken to various agro-sciences conferences and stuff. They
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: asked me, Sadhguru, how do you know? I said, I'm
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: a worm. I'm like a worm. I'm crawling on this
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: land as a life. And I know what's happening to me.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: By being in various situations, what happens to me, I'm
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: conscious and sensitive enough to know what's happening to me. So,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: because we are not living in this universe, we are
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: manufactured in the universities, unfortunately, these days. Only information, no
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: experience of anything. Yeah. There is no experience of anything.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: If you go out, most people don't know what's the temperature.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: They will look in their phone, what is the temperature?
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: Your body is there. Yeah. You must know what's the temperature.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a thermostat.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: But they don't even know whether they're hungry or not.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: They will look at how many calories they ate today.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: I'm saying information, no profoundness of experience about anything, from
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: simple things to complex things, I'm saying. Because of this,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: we have arrived at this. We do one thing and
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: forget the other thing, all bits and pieces of doing things. So,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: you won't believe it in 20… What is COP26? Glasgow, 2022.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Same soil is 22, no? Yes. 2022 January is Glasgow in,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: you know … Scotland? Scotland.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I like Scotland.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: You like Scotland, you're a golfer.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like Scottish people.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: You're like, you're a golfer? Are you Scottish?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not a good golfer yet, but I like the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Scots just because they've just been through a lot.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Because you don't understand what they say.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: That helps. You can just kind of go like this,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: It's good. They speak the same language so differently.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I got to visit India one time. I went
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: to Madras, I think.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you about India later. We'll finish this soil business. Okay.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: So in Glasgow, COP26 happened, which is all the countries meet,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: the nation's representatives meet.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: COP26 it's called?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a UN agency.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: It's called UNCCC for climate and whatever. Okay. So a
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: lot of, all the environment ministers, some prime ministers, presidents,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: everybody are there for this meeting. So I, after this
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: is over, 15 days they met and this is over this,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: I asked some of the environment ministers, what have we
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: decided about soil? They said, soil? What about soil? I said,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: no discussion about soil. She said, no. Those who were
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: there for full 15 days, they're saying the word soil
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: was not mentioned.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Then I started a campaign. I rode a motorcycle from
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: London to southern India, 27 nations, 30,000 kilometers in 100 days. Man,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: they thought I will die, but I didn't. See, here
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: That's some wind burn, huh?
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: Even now, I came on a motorcycle. Yeah.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's awesome.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: From McMinnville.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: So you guys did that to raise awareness?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Not awareness, to change the policy in the nation. So
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: we signed a memorandum of understanding MOUs with various countries,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: and European Union has done good work in terms of
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: changing policies. But still, it is too slow. See, the
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: political process in a democracy is so slow You will
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: be … I mean, this is not a popular thing
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: to say. We ran these campaigns across. In hundred days,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: we touched 3.9 billion people on the planet. Wow. Through
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: social media and everything. With that kind of … Once
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: the democratic leaders see that kind of support, they want
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: to do something about it. So, Europeans started talking about
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: it and making some changes. It has to be implemented,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: at least beginning to enter their policy. Well, in Middle
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Eastern countries, they are doing a lot, but they're in
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: a bad land, you know. It's a desert land. They're
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: trying to do their best. India, a lot of changes
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: have happened. Implementation still slow, but at least in law,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: changes have happened. But you won't believe, we ran a
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: very low-level campaign in China But the Chinese are doing
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: the best in this. Really? Yes.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: They have a lot of soil land over there.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: The thing is, I'm not speaking against democracy, but democracy
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: has to be … Democracy is a wonderful thing when
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: people are conscious and focused towards one thing. When democracy
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: becomes a business by itself … Yeah. Well, to get
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: any simple thing done, it'll take 10 years of debate
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: and discussion and political bombing against each other. What needs
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: to happen in the country is forgotten. The individual parties
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: and stuff goes crazy. Yeah. So, China doesn't have that problem.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: They converted millions of hectares of land or millions of
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: square kilometers of land into, you know, tree-based agriculture and
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: other things that we recommended. Because there, if somebody, one
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: person decides, it just goes.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: It happens.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: It's not as much red tape. Everything here has gotten
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: so many legal issues. Everything is a nightmare to get done.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Not just here. Everywhere, all democracies, you have the best policy.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: I will go to the court. Put one hook on you.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: You run on the same spot for next three years. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: It's like this. You may not have the endurance. To
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: get rid of the hook, you may go in a
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: different direction. Yeah.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more a thing of endurance here. It's like
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: you have to, it's just like to make a change.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Everywhere in all democracies, unfortunately, people have learned how to
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: misuse democracy. It is the most wonderful thing that people
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: can decide who should rule, how wonderful it is. But
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: we have started misusing the mechanics of democracy. Everybody's understood.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: It's no more the spirit. It's the vulgar description of democracy,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: which is working. The spirit of democracy... is what's best
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: for the people should happen. Yeah.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely, it's gotten very confusing. But I wonder
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: if some of that's just a side effect of democracy
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: over time and of capitalism over time.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: Everybody figured out how to win an election. That's the
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: whole thing. Yeah.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: It's true. It's a good point. Um, one of the
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: things that I think sometimes we're missing in the world
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: these days is, you know, people say connection a lot
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: of times. And I don't know if that's necessarily true
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: because in some ways, like you're saying, there's more connection
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: than ever. Um, but what about like love and stuff
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: like that? Do you think that love is a choice
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: that we make? Or do you think there's something more
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: cosmic involved in it? Like when people choose to love
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: one another?
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: Your neighborhood girl sent by Cosmos.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: Cosmic agents.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be nice, huh? You could just wish
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: on a star for a date. But yeah, do you
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: think that there's something, because love feels different whenever you're
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: in love with someone, right?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: So when you say whenever, that means it's not happening
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: all the time. It happens once in a way. Right.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: It's a leap year.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: So right now, how.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: How much radical view are you ready for?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: I'll take it all, I think.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on how weird we're trying to get.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I'm into some stuff. Yeah, I'll
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: listen at least. I'll start there. Okay.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: So, one way to look at it is the emotion
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: of love. Initially, it got, the way people know it,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: it's just generally love means romantic love. All right? That is...
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: initiated by a rush of hormone in your system.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: Essentially, I would say your intelligence got hijacked by your hormones.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: That's fair.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: So, till yesterday, that scrawny little girl who in the neighborhood,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: suddenly she got a few bumps on her body.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Suddenly it became a whole cosmos. Yeah. You can't take
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: your eyes off her.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Don't think of all that. Now I'm just telling you.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah. I keep my hands like this.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: So I'm saying, just the hormonal rush in you suddenly
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: makes you see everything completely differently. A little while later,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: if you look back, it may look stupid, all right?
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: But at that moment, anyway, we're talking about love, not
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: about hormones or sexuality. But that instigate, that fires it.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: If you look at it by nature, what is nature's intent?
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Why is it getting you so excited about the neighborhood girl?
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Because it wants you to reproduce. If it doesn't fire
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: something like this, there will be no next generation of people.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: So, nature needs it.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's the instinct of the species that it wants
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: to survive.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: We may play all kinds of games with it, but essentially,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: it wants you to reproduce.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Leave that aside. We've kept that as a choice now. Okay.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: We want to reproduce or not is a choice.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: But nature is pushing you in that direction. Leaving that aside. Now,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: love means you long for somebody. What is the longing?
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: You want to become one. See, right now, you're breathing.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: I'm checking on you. You're breathing? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Don't
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: just say this to me. Are you really breathing? You
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: notice it? Yes. Now, this is a small plant, but
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: let's say that's a little bigger thing. What the tree
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: is exhaling, you're inhaling. What you exhale, the tree is inhaling.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: Am I correct?
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: Is it a fact or fiction?
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: It's shotgunning each other.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. It is fact or fiction?
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: Fact.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Fact.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: So, you and the tree, for example, it's like one
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: half of your lungs is hanging out there. You're not
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: really separate. From microorganism to a plant to a tree
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: to an animal, this is one big phenomenon. It's only
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: in your mind, intellectually, you're separating these things. Why? We
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: already went through this, you want your mind to be sharp.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: Sharp instrument is good for cutting. Hmm? I'll give you
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: a knife. You can dissect whatever you want. But you
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: want to stitch your clothes. If you stitch your clothes
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: with a knife, what'll happen? That is how the modern
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: fashion has arrived. Everybody's got torn pants.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: It will ruin it.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, now it would look good. Now it would look good.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: If you stitch your, yeah, nowadays it would really look
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: pretty fire, I guess.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: Right? Not that it will look good, it's torn.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: It's torn.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: If you try to stitch with a knife, it'll go
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: into ribbons, all right? Okay. So right now it's the
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: same thing. Your mind is a sharp instrument. It is
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: good for dissection. It is not good for unifying everything.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Unifying does not mean you and me have to sit
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: together and put the universe together. It is anyway one
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: large phenomenon. It is you who is separating it. If
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: you stop separating it, it'll be one. When you say love,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: it's a strong emotion to make those two pieces of creation,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: which have become separate, to make them one. We're trying hard. Good,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: instead of being separate, it's a good emotion. at least
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: is bringing you close to one person. Otherwise, you are
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: an island by yourself. Yeah.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you're an island boy after that.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: You want to find someone else, right? So, it feels
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: like that makes sense.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: Essentially, this life is happening is a large phenomenon. We
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: don't get it. But actually, as a life, we are
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: just a pop-up on this planet.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: All the countless number of people who walked this planet
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: before you and me, where are they? They're all topsoil.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: This will also become topsoil. You just have to wait
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: for some time. So, now it is all one life.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: In your mind, you separate it. Then in your emotions,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: you try to stitch it, which is a struggle. Generally,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: for most people, moments of great joy and fulfillment will
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: happen in love. Rest of the time, it's only anxiety
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: and pain most of the time. But for those few moments,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: they're willing to go through all the pain because those
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: few moments are so precious. But I'm saying, why are
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: they so few moments? This love is about for a
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: moment you felt like you're one, all right? Either physically, mentally, emotionally,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: sometimes even energetically, you felt like you're one. I'm saying
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: you're anyway one. If you remove the barriers of your mind,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: you're anyway one. You can sit here dripping ecstasy, not love.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: You'll seek love because you think love will bring blissfulness
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: and ecstasy.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: That's the truth, yeah. You think it's going to bring
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: something different.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: Yes. But I can teach you a simple way. You
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: can sit here with eyes closed or with eyes open
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: and be totally blissed out. People ask me, Sadhguru, of
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: all these things that you're doing, what is your greatest achievement?
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: I say, tears. So, what tears? Why? Today, millions of
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: people across the world, if they close their eyes in
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: the morning to do a simple practice, tears of ecstasy
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: every day drips. Wherever I go, whichever part of the
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: world I go, not a day passes for me without
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: me seeing tears of love and ecstasy.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: Wow, really?
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: This is the greatest... boon you can have in this
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: world where everybody is trying to pull and push each other,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: every day you're meeting people who are in tears of
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: love and ecstasy. So this is, just this, for all
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: human experiences, whatever it is, pleasant, unpleasant, love, hate, anger, agitation, tranquility, beauty, everything,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: agni ecstasy, everything comes from within you, isn't it? Now
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: the question is, Do you want an external stimulus or
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: can you consciously do it yourself?
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: What do you drive?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: I drive a cyber truck.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: You're on the cyber.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: I know. I just got it. It's a long story.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: Somebody brought it to gift it to me. I said, no,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: look like cardboard to me. And overall, I belong to
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: a generation where we have admired, enjoyed, And cotton infused
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: with internal combustion engines.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you love them.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Wow, heart beats with it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: When you get some of those old engines, I really,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: really dig them. But one thing I like about it
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: is I don't have to stop to get gas. That's
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: one thing I do like about it. But go on,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: carry on.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: So this whole process of blissfulness is the goal. See,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: people may call it whatever.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: Here they will call it love, relationship, this one, drink, drug,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: everything is towards the highest level of pleasantness that a
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: man can experience, isn't it? Or no, nothing, here you
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: become hopeless, you say, I'm going to heaven. What is
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: your idea of heaven, the most pleasant place? Yes or no? Yes.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: If right from your childhood you've been told heaven is
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: the pleasantest, beautiful place in the universe, so you want
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: to go there. Suppose right from your childhood I told
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: you God lives in heaven, but it's a horrendous place.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: You want to go there?
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: Not as much.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: No, I'll pray from here only. Yeah, yeah. I don't
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: want to go there.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: I'll send an email.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: Yes. So, essentially, your search for pleasantness is fundamental. So,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: all these addictions of alcohol, drugs, everything is, that finding
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: a quick fix, that longing to have a most pleasant
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: experience of life, you're looking for a quick fix, the
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: Question is, it's not a moral issue. It's just that
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: it makes you less. When I say it makes you less,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: you know, I've been invited to all this. In India,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: they keep inviting me to this. They have conferences called
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: Under 25. Okay. Under 25 years of age, they have
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: their own conferences and I'm always invited. I'm under 25.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: They think I am. So, I go there and in
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: Bangalore city, over 40,000 people are in an open ground.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: It's not legal there, but the place is … the
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: strong smell of marijuana. Oh, yeah. No, it's not legal.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: Everything, everybody's smoking. No, no, no, Sadhguru, you have so
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: much influence in the government, why can't you make marijuana legal?
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: I say, why just marijuana? We'll make cocaine legal, meth legal,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: fentanyl legal. Tell me what else, you give me a list,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: I'll make everything legal. Why you want to make it legal?
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: Because you want to smoke up and go to the university.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: They're all students. Oh, yeah.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: You got to get high and go to university.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: That's what. In India, the term is smoke up.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: Smoke up.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: Smoke means tobacco. Yeah. Smoke up means that. Yeah. So,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: you want to get high. So, first of all, when
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: you smoke, what happens?
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: You get kind of disconnected.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: All right. Right now, what happens essentially is your faculties
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: come down.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: So, you want to go through a surgery, let's say
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: you have a brain surgery, and the neurosurgeon comes smoked up. Yeah.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: You want the surgery?
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Not now.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: Not with that guy. Yeah.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Not with that guy. I'll let the nurse do it. Yes.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: Because you understand clearly, when you do this, your faculties
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: come down.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: Even your cognition comes down, whether you see it or not,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: faculties come down for sure. So, putting your faculties down,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: you're calling it high. I said, at least first, when
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: you smoke up, you say, I'm down. Don't say, I'm high.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: Because your ability to do things, ability to perceive, everything
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: has gone down. Yeah. The way to be high is,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: if I can see things that you can't see, if
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: I can hear things that you cannot hear, If I
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: can experience things that you cannot experience, this is high,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: isn't it?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: You lower, tone down the life and you say you're high.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: Don't do this. At least you say, I'm low. We'll
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: make it legal.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: At least for them, we're working from an honest place.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man. People get pretty high. It's outlawed in India, huh?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: It's illegal.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: See, India is a place where it's available almost everywhere.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: But nobody cared to smoke because everybody in America is smoking.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: They all started smoking now. Ah, I see. Otherwise, if
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: you go into the valleys, just about anywhere, if you
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: just do like this in the plants, the resin will
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: be on your hands. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The places where
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: we trek, the marijuana grows like seven feet tall.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: We are walking through that taller than us.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'd have my mouth open when I went through.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: I would love that.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: One of the problems we are seeing a lot here
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: in the USA is pornography, young people getting addicted to pornography.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Is that something that's happening in India? Do you guys
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: see that there, or is it not something?
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: Not that we guys see it, but I hear it's rampant,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: and it's causing many, many issues and problems.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it hijacks a lot of your masculinity. It
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: hijacks a lot of your energy, it feels like.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: It's not about hijacking energy. Fundamentally, see, women have been
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: fighting for their liberties or women's liberation as such. This
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: is the end of women's liberation. If pornography becomes the
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: normal viewing thing for everybody, a woman isn't just an object,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: all right? There is no more... A woman is not
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: worth connecting to, being one with, knowing to, you know,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: making an attempt to know her, All this is not needed.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: She's just a doing thing. So if we value women,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: this should be brought down. But now it's spread like anything.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: Somebody was telling me 70% of the content on the
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: internet is pornography. I don't know if that number is correct,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: but that's what they're saying.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just unfortunate. Is it the responsibility of a
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: government to prevent that? Or is it the responsibility of
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: humans to not want to view it? Does that make sense?
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: See, most humans are knotted beings. So, society, government plays
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: a role in who they are. If there are no laws,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: a whole lot of people will kill themselves driving crazy,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: for example, or taking all kinds of drugs already. I
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: think in 2023, there have been over 100,000 overdose deaths,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: I believe, in United States itself.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: Human beings are not yet in that state where you
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: can just leave everything to them. Some things need to
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: be regulated. Some regulation should be there, but it's not
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: for me to say that because it's so pervasive. I
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: only hope people get tired and disgusted with those things, hopefully.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: But when twelve, thirteen-year-old children look at it, they are
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: completely taken by these things. It rules their mind. I know,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: you know, thousands of people are in touch with me
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: on a daily basis. I have met people, many of
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: them crying and, you know, asking for help, that they
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: started watching pornography when they were eleven, twelve. They can't
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: even look at their mother simply as their mother.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Without shame or discomfort.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: Discomfort because they only see the body parts of her.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: So I'm saying if you want to reduce a woman
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: to body parts and you're born out of her, all right?
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: You don't fall out of the sky. You're born out
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: of a woman. When you degrade her, you degrade all life,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: human life. So there are many implications to that, which
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: unfortunately today it's commerce. They don't care what is the
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: impact as long as they're making money. Yeah.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: Is it the same in India as it is in
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: other countries? Is that popular?
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: Is it … I hear in rural India, it's just
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: taken the youth totally.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: It's unfortunate. Sadhguru, a couple of other things that I
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: wanted to get to. What about if you had to
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: suggest to someone to read a certain text every day, right?
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: Or if people only had the ability to read one text,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: what is a text that you recommend that you would recommend.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: For people to read? Only one text means just how
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: many lines?
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: Just as many lines, but it's only one book.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: Only one book.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you have one that you think would be
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: most helpful to people? That may be a lame question.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: It's no, it's not a good, it's a good question.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: See, this is once again, thinking that information is a
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: solution for everything. With more and more information, tell me
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: people have become better or worse?
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: I think people have become worse.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: Situations have become better, but people have become.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: Worse, isn't it?
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: People have become less of themselves.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: When I say worse, I'm not saying anything else. I'm
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: saying they're more distressed.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: I'll agree with that.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: But situations, never before in the history of humanity, situations
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: were this good for us, isn't it?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: We're controlling the climate. If you open the tap, water comes.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: If you do this, the shit will get flushed.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: These are simple things you've taken for granted. If these
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: things are not there, just see how your life will be.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, I would hate it.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: You want a bucket of water... You have to walk
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: a mile and bring a bucket of water. How many
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: young men are today fit enough to carry a bucket
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: of water for a mile? Not many. They cannot.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: Forty percent maybe.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: So, I'm saying life in terms of situations is better
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: than ever before. But human beings are becoming more distressed
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: simply because too much information. With information, we create conveniences, comforts.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: But no... profound experience of life, so this is not
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: in a good place. If this is not in a
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: good place, let's say we take you to heaven. I
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: can arrange it for you. Yeah?
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: But if you are miserable here, there also you will
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: go and multiply your misery, isn't it? Oh, yeah. And anyway,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: I'm asking you one question. You must answer this question honestly.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: How do you know that you're not already in heaven
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: and making a mess out of it. Do you have
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: any proof? No. So you're already in heaven and making
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: a mess out of it. If you don't make a mess,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: what are you making a mess with your mind? If
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: you don't make a mess out of your mind, you
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: are in heaven anyway.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: I love that. Dang, that's some real wizardry right there.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: That's some real ninja thinking.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: Ninja skill.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's some very kind ninja thinking. Tell
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: me a little bit about, like, how can people get
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: involved with you guys' institutes? Because you have them around
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: the world, right? Yes. Yeah.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: More than anything, the first simple way to start is
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: there are free offerings. People can start doing these simple meditations.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: It'll work wonderfully well. Of course, there is material. And,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: you know, our 2023 video viewership has been five billion plus.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: Apart from … Wow. … superstar musicians, nobody has those
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: kind of numbers. They have bigger numbers. But in terms
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: of talks reaching people, over five billion, this is our platforms.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: Over thousand other platforms are there which are propagating our material,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: we don't know their numbers.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: So, that much involvement is there, some people only listen. See,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: listening to something could change little bit of your opinions,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: ideas and give you some relief. The important thing is
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: you do a simple practice which changes your chemistry. If
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: you are serious about it, there is a twenty-eight hour
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: program or let's say seven day program, it is divided
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: into seven days, seven steps program called Inner Engineering. It
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: comes with the final day of teaching a very powerful
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: process that's called, difficult for you to pronounce, Shambhavi Mahamudra.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: Shambhavi Mahamudra.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: Yep, you got it. So, the Shambhavi Mahamudra is a
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: powerful process and it's only 21 minutes. There is enough
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: study about this. We have a center in Beth Israel
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: Hospital in the Howard Medical School where a lot of
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: research has been done. One thing that they found, there
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: are many aspects you can … I can ask them
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: to send you the research findings. It's incredible. One important
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: thing that will interest you and people in Tennessee and
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: California is the endocannabinoid level in the body goes up
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: by 70%, which is higher, by 23% higher than what
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: happens in sexual orgasm. Oh my God!
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: And where are y'all getting this from?
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: Huh?
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: How do you get.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: It's all within the body.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: God, yeah.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll do some of it. What do we do?
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: Seven steps.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: We'll send a complimentary thing to you. You do it.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: I would love to. I would love to have that experience.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: If you.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to cancel my dates.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: How many people are listening to your podcast? I don't know.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: I think probably maybe a million and a half people
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: will listen to this.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: Okay. If 10% of your audience people who are subscribed
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: to you are willing to take this step because this
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: is there for their well-being. I'll tell you my journey,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: where it is. And if 10% are willing to take it, whatever, we'll,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: but 50% discount I'll give you for all those people.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: Okay. That's awesome. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, because I think
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are seeking some or just people
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: want to figure out a way to be more at peace.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: They need to understand this. This is not a religion.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: This is not a philosophy, this is not an ideology,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: this is a method, it's a technology.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: What happened was, it's now 1982, means what, forty-two years ago.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: One afternoon, I'm just sitting on a small hill in Mysore. Suddenly,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: I burst into an ecstatic state, where every cell in
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: my body is dripping ecstasy. I think it lasts just
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: for five, ten minutes. Then when I come back to
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: my normal thing, about four and a half hours have passed.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: For the first time in my life, tears of ecstasy flowing.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: At that time, I'm a super skeptic. Super means super,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: super skeptic I am. I don't believe anything other than
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: what I can see, that kind of mindset. So I
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: shake my head and think, what's happening to me? Maybe
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going off my rocker. Then I talked to my
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: closest friends, something is happening to me. If I close
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: my eyes, I'm just blown away. Hey, come on now,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: what did you pop? Did you find the mushrooms in
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: the hill? What happened to you? All this. Then there
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: was nobody to relate with. In about six weeks, this
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: became my normal experience that if I sit in one place,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: if I close my eyes and I think it's two minutes, seven,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: eight hours are poof, gone. Like that. Because when you're ecstatic,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: A year will feel like one moment. It just, poof,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: goes away like that. Then I realized, what is this?
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: I started, you know, looking at this. What is it
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: that's happening to me? Then I realized, if I can
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: keep my hands off my psychological activity and simply sit here,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: because you're going into this posture all the time, that's
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: what it means. You're trying to keep yourself off your
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: psychological activity. If I take my hand off that, suddenly
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: an ecstatic wave happens in my system. Then I thought,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: this is it, I've discovered this. And then I thought,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: who wouldn't want this? I couldn't think of one guy
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: who doesn't want this. Who wouldn't want to be blissed out?
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in it.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: Then I sat down and made a plan. I was
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: twenty-five years of age. I made a plan that in
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: the next two and a half years, I will make
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: the whole world blissed out. On that day, the population
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: was somewhere around five plus billion. And I made a
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: plan how to hit the geography of the world and
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: in two and a half years, I can do it.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: Forty-two years, look at me.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: It's taken a while, huh?
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: So, today they are saying we are touching two, three
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: billion people, whatever. But that's not my idea of humanity.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: Humanity is now 8.4 billion people. So, I'm only trying
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: to … I know that I will die as a
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: blissful failure.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: I will die blissfully, but I'm a failure because I
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: thought I'll do this to the whole humanity. I'm only
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: getting a little bit of percentage. So, I'm still trying
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: to improve my percentage. So, for all the people who
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: subscribe to you, we'll give them 50% off.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's very sweet of you. Thank you. I'll make
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: sure to subscribe too, man. I want to have the experience.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: And it's instructional.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: Are you free?
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: Well, that's sweet of you. It takes you through the experience?
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: Yes. Step by step. You take this properly because the
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: reason why these things have not happened to people is
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: not because it's difficult. They don't have focus towards that.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: Their focus is somewhere else. They think if I get this,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: my life will be better. If I get that, my
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: life will be better. No. If you are better, whether
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: you get something or not, you're still better. That's all. Yeah.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I love the fact that if
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: you are taking care of you the best you can,
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: then no matter.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: … Don't say taking care.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: If you're not messing, everything is taken care. Right. Tell
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: me what's the problem with your intelligence. It's the most
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: fantastic thing on this planet, isn't it? Yeah. We don't know.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: We are always thinking somebody else is on some other planet.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: The aliens are more intelligent. Maybe they are. We don't know.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: We don't know for sure. A lot of people see
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: them in their dreams and whatever.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're perverts too, though. And yeah, you never see
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: an alien.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: But the most fantastic thing that you have seen is
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: human intelligence. Yeah. But that intelligence is cutting you into pieces.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: You can call this stress, anxiety, madness, whatever you want. Essentially,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: human intelligence is cutting you up into pieces.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: It's happening these days for sure. Why is it?
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: One thing, as I said, it's a sharp instrument and
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: you don't know how to deal with it. There are
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: many ways to look at it. See, one thing that's
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: happened is, what we call as science today, unfortunately, has
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: become purely utilitarian, not subjective. In the name of objectivity,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: in reaction to the religious dogmatism, science has taken a
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: very dry route where they won't find any life. It's
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: a very, very dry root. Everything is objective. But you're subjective,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: isn't it? Your experience of life is very subjective.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: There's no value for that. So, we will … with objectivity,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: essentially it means we use our intelligence to dissect. Now, Theo,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: I really want to know you. I'll arrange a dissection
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: for you so that I can explore you and really
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: know you, who you are.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: That's not the same though.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: No, I'll just have bits and pieces. Yeah.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: You don't have the whole truth.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: Yes. If you embrace something, you may know something. By dissection,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: you will have information without knowing anything. This is what
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: we are doing to the world. We are using the
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: human intelligence purely as a logical scalpel to cut everything
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: into pieces. That's why nothing is of value. Nothing is
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: of profound experience. People can't do anything with deep sense
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: of involvement because they are well-informed. That's what they think.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: They are not well-informed. They are just having bits and
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: pieces of memory. You wipe out their memory, they don't
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: know anything, all right?
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not a lot of concepts. It's more just
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: random facts.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: No, they may even have concepts, but there's no experience.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: Right, there's no, yeah. We're hearing things and reciting them,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: but we're not understanding them.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: So, there is a difference between, you read in the
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: school textbook, the planet is round. Yeah. But you took
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: a voyage and went around the planet and came, or
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: you went to the moon and looked down, that planet
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: is around. Very different, isn't it? Profound experiences and information
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: are two different things. Information is useful to fix the
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: outside situation. But the inner situation is never fixed with information.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: It needs a profound experience. It needs access. That access
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: is missing because information is always coming from outside. Right now,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: people have seen the whole cosmos through their phone screen.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: It gives them a false sense that they know whole cosmos,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: but all they have seen is the phone screen. Yeah. So,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: because of this, the basic mental structure, how it works,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: what happens? See, for example, how our mental structure is formed.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: Everything that's there in your mind today, whatever content you
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: have in your mind today is something that you imbibed
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: from outside. Yes? How did you imbibe? By seeing, by hearing,
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: by smelling, by touching, tasting.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: That's how you imbibed, yeah.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: That's how you imbibed through five senses. But today, most
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: of it you're imbibing only as information, not even as impression. Right.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: At least the impressions together would become an experience. But
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: today it's purely information.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: Just the frosting, no cake. Does that make sense or no?
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: No. Oh, okay. Like that. I thought just cake, no icing.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying. One or the other.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: Without icing, cake is actually a good thing. It's bread.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: But this, we're just getting the icing.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: We're not getting any of the substance.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: Yes. No substance. Okay. No nourishment. Good. Just icing. surface
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: which looks good, and when you stand on it, it cracks. So,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: all this is metaphorical, but let's come down to the
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: simple fact. The simple fact is this, as we went
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: through this monkey experiment, if you say, I don't want something,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: only that happens. To this mind, somebody tells you what
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: is good, what is bad. Don't think about bad things. Well,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: that's a full-time job right now. So, without understanding the mechanics,
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: of how human system functions, how human intelligence is formed,
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: these things are happening. In the yogic system, we see
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: the human mind as sixteen parts. These sixteen parts can
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: be seen as four segments. These four segments are, one
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: is called Buddhi, which literally means intellect. Another is called Ankara,
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: which means identity. The third is called Manas, which means memory.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: The fourth is called Chitta. We'll come to that. Buddhi
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: means intellect. It's a front end of your intelligence.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: Buddhi. Buddhi. Like Buddhism almost.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: It actually comes from that. Yeah. See, if you are above,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: Buddhi means intellect. Dada means one who is above. One
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: who is above his intellect is a Buddha. Ah, Buddha. Yes.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: That's not his name. Yeah. His name is Gautama Siddhartha.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: He became a Buddha. That means he went above his intellect.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: That is, your intellect is normally cutting the world into pieces.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: Whatever you look at, it wants to dissect. So he
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: went above that and looked at the world the way
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: it is. So he's a Buddha. So he's a Buddha.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: So he's not the only Buddha. There have been thousands
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: of Buddhas and still are.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: But the fact is that you go above your intellect. Yes.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: So, buddhi is the front end of your intelligence or
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: your mind. It is a cutting edge. It is very,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: very needed to be in function for you to be
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: surviving in this world.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: Right, because you have to understand a process and make choices.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: You have to make … When you came here, you
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: have to discriminate and decide whether to sit in that
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: chair or this chair. Otherwise, you'll go and sit on this.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: So, intellect is very vital for your survival. When you're
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: in the survival mode, it is most important. But a
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: cutting instrument doesn't give you a full picture of anything.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: For example, all the information that intellect has, the data
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: it's collected is from the five senses essentially. What you see, hear, smell,
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: taste and touch. Right now, can you see my hand? Yes.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: You see this part, but you don't see this part.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: If you see this part, you can't see this part.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: It's not just the hand. Even if you take a
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: grain of sand, if you see one side, you can't
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: see the other side. This is the nature of our senses.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: They give all half information. All the information that you're
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: gathering today in the form of information is all half
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: because human senses perceive like this. Now, with all these
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: half pieces, you make a picture and you think that
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: is it. So, what happens with intellect is, suppose I
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: give you a million-piece jigsaw. You got five pieces together
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: and you said, wow, it's a bear. But there are
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: million pieces, you got only five. So, all the information
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: that you have, all the libraries on the planet, if
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: we grind it and put it in your head, still
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: what you know is a minuscule in this universe. Yes
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: or no? Yeah. It's just a minuscule. With this minuscule,
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: you're always making conclusions.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: So, the important thing to understand is, Intellect is a
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: front-end defender. It's a knife, a sword in your hand.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: You need to use it discreetly in such a way
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: that you don't go on slaughtering people. You can kill
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: people with your intellect, you know. Human intelligence is killing people,
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: isn't it?
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all the time, always has.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: Yes. So, this is the front-end. But now, the knife
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: by itself is not dangerous or useful or anything. It
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: depends the hand which holds it, which makes it what
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: it is. So the next one is called ahankara. The
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: word ahankara literally means identity.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: Ahankara, the sense of identity. Yeah.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: So right now, if you think I'm this, whatever is
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: your identity, let's say you think I'm American. Now you're
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: willing to live for America, die for America, fight for America,
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: do whatever for America. Or your identity is something else.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: It's racial or it's religious or it is something else, gender, whatever.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: What you're identified with, your intellect will do everything possible
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: to protect that identity. This is the only way the
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: mind works. See, right now, your brain cells, my brain
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: cells may not be very different, but you think I'm American. So,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: your intelligence will do everything for America. Suppose I think
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: I'm something else. My intelligence or my intellect will work
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: only for that because it functions from the data that
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: you have gathered. The data is in memory. See, the
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: third dimension of the mind is called manas, which is
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: a silo of memory. Here, there are eight types of memory.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: There is elemental memory, there is evolutionary memory, there is
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: genetic memory, conscious and unconscious levels of memory, articulate and
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: inarticulate levels of memory. There are eight different types of memories. So,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: you are … this memory is what is firing your intellect.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: Many times you may see or understand things that you
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: have never been exposed to because in your evolutionary memory
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: and in your genetic memory, there are so many things.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: There are ways to consciously activate them, but at least
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: even unconsciously, they are finding expression in so many ways.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: So many human beings act as if they know something
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: in a given moment, though they've never been exposed to
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: that because there are other forms of memory within us.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: Whatever has happened to the human species, in some way
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: it is within us. Yeah. Whatever has happened to our forefathers,
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: it some way is within us. Whether you find excess
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: or not is a different matter. So, the silo of memory,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: let's analogy, we'll keep the knife analogy. Okay. Front is
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: the buddhi, which is a sharp knife. The sharper it is,
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: the better it is.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's your intellect.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: And the hand that holds … it, which is ahankara,
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: or the identity. Now, this is one thing we have
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: neglected hugely in this world. In India, there is a tradition, unfortunately,
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: these things have been given up in the name of
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: being modern, all right? Because our education is as Western
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: as it is here. They're also today. Otherwise, before starting
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: education for a child, as a rule, there was no
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: education till a child becomes 12 years of age because
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: we always saw one's body and brain needs to mature
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: to a certain point before you burden it with education. Today,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: we want to start at three years of age. Oh, yeah.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: They teach you kids hand Spanish or whatever when they're
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: seven months. It's just ridiculous. It's like, what are we doing?
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: So, twelve years we start education. Before we start the education,
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: because education is seen as an empowerment for a human being.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: Before you empower a human being, first thing is, he
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: has to identify himself with the cosmic identity. First thing is,
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: you change your identity from being a son of your
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: parents or daughter of your parents, from belonging to a
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: caste or a creed or a religion. You say, my
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: identity is with the cosmos. I am a product of
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: this cosmos. It's called Aham Brahmasmi. That means, I am that,
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: which is the ultimate. So, first this identity, then education.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: Because education is empowerment. If limited identity is empowered, it
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: will do terrible things. See, you can, you know, we
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: have a program in India and also we did some
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania and Kentucky. This is called as inner freedom
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: for the imprisoned. Our programs are mandatory in southern India.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: It's done wonders for these unfortunate, you know, convicts who
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: are locked up for very, very long period. Some of
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: them on the death row for 15, 20 years in India.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: They don't get hanged. but they're on the death row
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: going for one more appeal, one more appeal, those kind
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: of people. So, thousands of people, they have transformed their
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: lives with these programs. Within the prisons, we conduct these things. So, anyway,
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: so when we are doing this, what I realize is,
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: the only problem with him is limited identity. He's intelligent. Actually,
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: he's far more resourceful than the people, fools who are
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: outside on the street. I find them very vibrant, high-energy individuals.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: Only problem is their identity is so small. My well-being
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: is everything. I want this to be well. I don't
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: care what happens to that. But suppose somebody says, oh,
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: this is my family. What did they do? They included
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: that also into their identity. And suddenly the question of
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: doing any harm to them doesn't arise because this is yours.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. They look at a more
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: of a worldly, they have more of a worldly understanding
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: that they're part of something bigger than just them.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: No, no. I'm saying let's go one step at a time.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: You're an individual. Okay. Then you raise a family. Suddenly
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: your wife and your children or your husband and your
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: children or whatever, suddenly they become a part of your life.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: You're even willing to die for them.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: Now you say, I belong to this community. Now you're
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: willing to live and die for that community. Now you say,
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: I'm this nation. You're willing to live and die for
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: that nation. So, what is this? You're enlarging your identity.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: I see. So, all crime on this planet, all evil
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: on this planet, all genocides on this planet, all the
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: most horrendous things that human beings have done is a
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: product of limited identity.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: I'll take the worst example. I'm always known to take
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: the worst examples.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: The worst example you can take is Adolf Hitler. What
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: is wrong with this man? He's super-competent. There are many people,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of people with the same mindset, but
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: fortunately they're incompetent. Right. The guy is too big …
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: too good an organizer and competent, so suddenly he will multiplies,
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: all right? See, human beings cause pain to each other
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: in so many different ways. But this is an industrial
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: level of suffering he creates. What is that? That is
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: not because he has a different intent. There are so
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: many people with the same intent, but it's a different
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: level of competence. So, when this happens, what do you think?
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: Human competence becomes a curse. That should never be so.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: Human intelligence and competence should never be a curse. It's
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: the greatest boon that we have. More intelligent and more
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: competent people we create, the better the world should be.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: But it's not so. The more intelligent and more competent
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: people come, our bombs become bigger, our weapons become more
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: deadly and our things. Why? Limited identity. So, all the
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: horrible things that you see people do to each other,
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: is a consequence and a product of limited identity. So,
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: first thing is to enhance the identity because how sharp
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: this knife is, the sharper it becomes, more important the
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: hand is steady, isn't it?
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: If this is a wonky hand, sharp knife is a
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: dangerous damn thing.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: That's all that's happening. And the memory is a silo
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: of memory, there is plenty there. Plenty means The whole
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: evolutionary process of who we are is captured there. Genetic memory,
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: evolutionary memory, elemental memory is all there within this.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: So, we can get back to a good level quickly.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes. If only if you remove the impediments that
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: you have created, essentially which is limited identity, that you
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: think I'm this, this is mine, that is not mine,
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: this is me, that is not me, this whole thing.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: If you take away this limited identity … Right now,
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: we are speaking only intellectually, but this can be done experientially. See,
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: right now, I spoke about this Shambhavi Mahamudra. If you
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: sit here, your body is here, your mind is here,
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: you are little away. When we sit here, that's your body,
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: this is my body. Till we are buried in the
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: same symmetry, we remain separate. Okay. Someday, you live fifty
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: years more than me, all right?
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: Someday we'll be connected again.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: If we buried in the same soil, we will be connected. Yeah.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: Even now we are connected, we are not seeing it,
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: that's all. Connection does not mean emotions. Connections does not
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: mean imagination. As life, we are connected, right? So, because
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: what you think is me as a physical self and
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: what I think as me as a physical self is
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: from the same soil, isn't it?
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: That's a good point, yeah.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: This happened. This happened in 2060. You know, 2060? 2060?
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We're not there yet.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: You're not there.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: This happened in 2060. A few scientists wanted an appointment
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: with God. They got it. They went there. And then
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: they said, hey, old man, you've done pretty well with creation.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: But everything that you can do, we can also do.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: Time you retire. God said, oh, is that so? What
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: is it that you can do? He said, look at this.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: They picked up some soil, they did it, made a...
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: a wig form like a human baby and they did
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: all kinds of things. In ten minutes, it came alive
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: and started crying, the baby. God said, that's very impressive,
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: but first get your own soil. Fundamentally, it's the same material,
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: all right? But this psychological thing of you is you,
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: me is me, all right? For physical function, this is important.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: That is you, this is me. That is your body,
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: this is my body. We respect these boundaries. That's your mind,
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: this is my mind. Here and there we may overlap,
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: but still that's your mind, this is my mind. But
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: there is no such thing as that is your life
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: and this is my life. Life is one big phenomenon.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: You captured some, I captured some. Now we have a
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: way how you can capture more life. If you …
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: if I capture more life than you, suddenly my life
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: is enhanced. Not only in my experience, in everybody's experience.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: Other people also will feel, wow, what a life he is.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: More enhanced.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: Not because of what you do, simply you're more enhanced.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: Right now, you can enhance your body by building muscle.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: Then people say, wow, what muscles. You can enhance your
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: intellect by studying and doing certain things. People will say, oh,
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: he's so smart. But you can enhance the life within you.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: Once you enhance the life within you, your presence is significant,
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: both for yourself and for others. So, the fourth part
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: of the mind is called chitta. Chitta means that level
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: of intelligence within you. What do you have for breakfast?
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: Eggs or huevos.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: Eggs, human?
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: Not eggs, yeah, animal eggs.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: Animals?
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: Birds?
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, birds.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: So, you eat a chicken egg. And over this three,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: four hours, this chicken egg becoming a human being, isn't it?
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: The body that you carry is all what you have eaten. So,
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: a bird egg... If a chicken, according to Charles Darwin,
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: has to become a human being, he will say it
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: will take so many million, million years, all right? But
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: you are such a miraculous guy, Theo Vaughan. Such a
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: miraculous guy, over the morning, over four, five hours' time,
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: he would transform a chicken egg into a human being. Wow!
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: Are you doing it or no?
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, technically, yeah.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: But missing the whole process, missing the profoundness of that experience,
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: isn't it? Yes. Because unconscious, whatever you're unconscious of doesn't
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: exist for you. Right now, there's a huge dinosaur standing
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: behind you. Don't look back. But if you're not conscious
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: of it, it doesn't exist, isn't it? True. So, I'm
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: saying the greatest force in the universe, which is consciousness
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: … Most human beings are not aware of it, so
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: it doesn't exist for them. They struggle with their little
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: bodies and little minds endlessly. If you become conscious of
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: an intelligence which is devoid of memory, this is important,
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: please understand this properly. Your intelligence presently what you're using
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: is mainly memory-based. If I wipe out your memory, your
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: intellect is useless. It's like you have a computer. If
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: I wipe out all the memory from it. What does
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: your computer do? You can jam your keyboard, nothing happens. Yeah.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: Only with memory it functions. So, your present intellect or
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: what you're using right now is only data-based. If you
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: remove the data, it's gone. But there is an intelligence
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: within you which makes a chicken egg into a human
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: being That's not data-driven. It's pure intelligence. You want to
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: call it God, you can call it. You want to
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: call it consciousness, you can call it. You want to
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: call it myself, you can say myself. Call it what
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: you want. But one thing is clear. See, people are
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: always spreading these things, God is love, God is compassion,
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: God is whatever. If you don't listen to anybody, if
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: you pay attention to life, all you can see is,
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: Whatever created this is super brilliant. Yes or no? Yes.
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: From filth a flower comes, from stink fragrance comes. Is
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: this not just brilliance?
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: It's pretty fascinating.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: If you just do not take any input from anybody,
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: just pay attention to life around you, you will see,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: you should have said, God is brilliant. Instead of sad
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: because people who are desperate, you know, desperate for love,
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: because nobody around them loves them. Or they can't love anybody.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: Because of that, this is God is love, God loves me. No, no.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: Whatever you're referring to as God is come because mainly
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: you have no explanation for the creation. You don't know
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: how all this happened. So, somebody sitting up there and
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: doing it, being human being, we are thinking it's in
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: human form. But essentially, you're talking about the source of creation.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: Source of creation, the only way you can define it,
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: if you pay attention to it, is incredible intelligence, isn't it? Yeah.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: That is the only qualifying value that is there. Rest
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: is all made up according to your needs. If you've
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 2: fallen down, you think God should be compassion. If nobody
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: responding to you, you think God should be love. So
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: many things. But if you don't do any of those things,
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: simply pay attention to creation, you will see the source
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: of creation is absolute brilliance.
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: Brilliance, but not data-driven.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: You must understand, evolution is that, that it's not data-driven.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: It's being driven by intelligence. A egg becomes a human being,
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: Not data-driven. So, there's an intelligence within you which is
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: unsullied by memory. This we call as chitta. There is
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: a … there's a mischievous way in the yogic culture,
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: there's a mischievous way of saying this. They say, if
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: you touch your chitta, if you find access to your chitta,
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: God will become your slave.
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: That means he will do what you want. You don't
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: even have to ask.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of conceptualizing, you know? It's pretty fascinating. No, no.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: Concept means you made it up.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, it does?
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 2: The word concept means you made it.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 3: Ah.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: This, I'm not making it. I'm asking you, that's why,
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: is it fact or fiction what I'm saying? Yeah.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: So chitta is, we can evolve our chitta or no?
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: We can access.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: We can access.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: We don't have to evolve it. It is the thing. Okay.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: That's fascinating, man.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: If you find access, suddenly your life is magical. If
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: you don't find access, it's hard labor.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of homework there. Yeah, before
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: you go, Sai Guru, I wanted to ask you a
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: little bit more about what are the what is the
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: plans or what are the plans for Save Soil? What
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: does that look like for you guys' group moving forward?
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: See, one thing is as a demonstration project, we have
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: what is called as Cauvery Calling. What is it called?
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: Cauvery Calling.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: Cauvery Calling? Yeah.
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: Cauvery is the name of a river in southern India.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: It's the lifeline for three states. Okay. It runs through
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: the three states. As a young person, I grew up
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 2: around Cauvery River. Okay. What it used to be then,
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: that is 50 plus years ago, what it is today,
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: only 40% is left.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: So, why is this? Because we must understand this, how
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: rivers are made. Here, the big rivers, like let's say Mississippi,
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: Mississippi has been fascination for me because... We read a
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: lot of Mark Twain. Mark Twain. Oh, yeah. I went
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: to his place, Hannibal.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, you did?
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, to see his house, his museum.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: That's cool, man. Yeah, I've been to the top of
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: the Mississippi where you can walk right over it at
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: the very beginning.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: Pretty cool. So, just two days ago, I got this
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: book I had missed called Roughing It. Have you seen
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 2: that book? One of his books called Roughing It. So,
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: I just got that. I'm here to open it. Oh, nice.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: Congratulations.
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 2: So... So, Mississippi, if you look at it, nearly ninety
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: percent of its water comes from the Great Lakes, which
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 2: is actually ice melting. So, in temperate climates, most of
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: the rivers largely are melting ice. So, that's a different
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 2: phenomenon altogether. But in tropical climates, for example, in India,
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: there is only one source of water, which is the
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: monsoon rains. Monsoon rains have not changed in the last
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: hundred years. Actually, now, It is increasing. Okay. Last year,
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: we got 107% monsoon. This year, 2024, I think it's
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: about 115 or 117% monsoon. It's increasing like that. But
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: what is happening is you either have a flood or
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: a drought, flood and drought, flood and drought. Why this
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: is happening is when the rains come and that torrential rain,
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: when it comes, monsoons means, you know, four days, five days,
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: non-stop it will be pouring. In the southern India.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just rain.
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: Just rain. It's fantastic time. All this, if there was
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: enough vegetation, the water would percolate like this because all
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: the root system and the organic content that is there
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: in the soil would make the water go down like this. Okay.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: When there's no vegetation, it runs on the surface like this. So,
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: when the rain comes, all the rivers flood. And in
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: three months, it'll be in drought now. Because there's not
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: enough vegetation, agriculture, we've just sheared it bald. So, in
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 2: the Cauvery Basin, which accounts for 83,000 square kilometers of
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: land where we are working now, nearly 83 to 84
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: percent of the tree cover has been removed in the
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: last 70 years. We are trying to put this back.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: Putting it back means there is no space or there
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: is no land for recreating forests because farmers are farming. So,
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: we brought in what is called as tree-based agriculture with
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 2: which you can increase the yield of the crops that
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: you're doing.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: Tree-based agriculture?
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tree-based agriculture. It used to be called agroforestry.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 2: But because you use the forestry word, it goes under
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  Speaker 2: the forestry ministry. And the forestry ministry has only restrictions.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Facilitation. So, we called it tree-based agriculture, and we are
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: under the agriculture ministry now.
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  Speaker 1: A lot better.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot better. So, now farmers are growing trees,
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: which as crops, not fully. In between, other crops are
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: still there. Those crops grow much better because the green
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 2: litter from the tree. That's the only way organic content comes.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 2: Got it. And animals. Together, the land is richer, better.
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  Speaker 2: Over 100,000, 150,000 farmers have significantly changed their economics. Some
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: of them have improved their income anywhere between 300 to
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: 800 percent in a matter of seven to eight years' time.
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  Speaker 2: Good for them. So, right now, we are working in
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: these 83,000 square kilometers, as I said earlier. 114 million
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  Speaker 2: trees we planted. We are only asking for 60 cents
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  Speaker 2: for a tree.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's great.
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  Speaker 2: All your followers, ask them to plant at least one
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: tree on their birthday. That's cool. 1.5 million trees per
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 2: year can happen.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, that's beautiful. Yeah, to think that that's all it needs. Yeah,
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 1: we forget about that.
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  Speaker 2: So each one of these trees are.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: About giving back to the system.
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  Speaker 2: Each one of these trees are geocoded. If any one
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: of them dies, immediately they will be replaced. The Indian
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: Space Research Organization is giving us free service for us
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  Speaker 2: to geocode. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And this is all these are being planted in India
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  Speaker 1: in that basin?
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  Speaker 2: In that basin only. Because the idea is to revive
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: the river to demonstrate that this can be done. Excellent. So,
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: we wanted to plant 2.42 billion trees in eight years.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: But we have done … 114 million trees. Okay. It's
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: a poor thing, but it's good because … It's still
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: a lot. It's still a lot. Yeah. So, get me
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: to 2.4 billion, and in five to six years' time,
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 2: the river will flow much better because the monsoon rains
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: that come, the land has to hold it. Oh, we
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 2: will need it. See, this is something that people don't
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: know generally is people think water means a pond, a lake,
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: a river, something like this. No. The biggest reservoir of
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: water on the planet is soil.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 1: Is soil.
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  Speaker 2: Soil. Soil and the vegetation that lives on it, but
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 2: the soil mainly. If it's well vegetated, soil holds the maximum.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 2: How much? All the freshwater rivers on the planet, five
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: to eight times more water soil can hold. If soil
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: held that water, temperatures would go down. Wow. Naturally. People
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 2: are talking about climate change, global warming. You don't have
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 2: to do PhD in climate affairs. You just go stand
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 2: in the hot sun for one hour, just go under
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: the tree. Climate change will happen. Yeah. Four to five
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 2: degrees drop will happen immediately. In tropical countries, it will
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: be bigger, all right? So, every extra leaf that you put,
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: green leaf that you put on this planet is one
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: more step towards climate mitigation. Got it. Every extra leaf,
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not even saying a tree. So, all the people,
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 2: you are an influencer, you must make sure they put
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 2: more trees, especially if you put it below 33 degrees,
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, 33 degree latitude, it's most effective. Because that's
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: where the maximum sun is.
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 1: So one way for us to help fight climate change
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 1: is to have more trees on our land.
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: More green leaf. Because the photosynthesis as a phenomena, which
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: is the basis of our life, has come down by
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: 80% in the last thousand years. 80%.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think this is great information and it's
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: good for me to learn too.
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: See, we are putting solar panels. Well, that's needed for
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 2: your home, but the best solar panel is a green leaf.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: It captures solar energy and does fantastic things and makes
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: life out of it.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I just think the fact that it's picturing,
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 1: it's an overall idea of just seeing the world as
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 1: more than just yourself.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: No, even if it's just for yourself, because it's natural
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 2: for people to think of their well-being. See, everybody is
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: busy talking about carbon, carbon, carbon. I'm not saying it's
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 2: not important. Carbon particles and carbon dioxide is important thing
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: to manage. But what is most important is, right now
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: our oxygen levels in the world is coming down slowly.
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 2: If you push it up by two to three percentage points,
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: mental health, physical health, plant growth, everything will boost itself.
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 2: Life will happen better. Yeah. Right now it's some 22.6%
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: or something overall atmospheric oxygen. If you push it to 30%,
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: we will live a grand life.
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: The only way you can do that is more green leaf.
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these are the global O2 levels right here. Look
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 1: at this. This is unbelievable. Is that real?
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, they got a picture. Okay. Yes, it's real.
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 1: What is that? That's unbelievable.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: Where is it? What's the percentage now? 21% something it is.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 2: If we push it by 5% or 6%, boom, life
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 2: will happen so much better. Yeah.
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm looking forward to life happening better. And I
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: appreciate you, Sadhguru, just sharing what some of you guys'
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 1: initiatives are with Save Soil and also just helping us
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 1: have a new idea of ways to experience our experience,
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 2: And I'll also give you information about Miracle of Mind.
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 2: Our idea is to make at least 3 billion people
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 2: close their eyes for 12 to 15 minutes a day
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: with some instruction. If 3 billion people do that, there'll
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: be a significant change in the way the human beings are.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: Let's make it happen. Your contribution is $ 1. 5 million. I'm ready.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to start with myself for sure. And
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of our listeners will want to
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 1: get involved. And we'll put the links on that stuff
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: below in the information. And Sadhguru, thank you so much
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 1: just for your commitment to, I think, I want to
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 1: say just trying to spread more awareness and peace in
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: Ecstasy, not peace.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, bliss. We'll take it.
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 2: To be blissed out.
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to be blissed out. Thank you so much, brother.
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: Without chemicals. We've got a chemical factory here. Amen. Thank you.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you, brother.
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  Speaker 3: Cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 3: this peace of mind I found I can feel it
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  Speaker 3: in my bones